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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (moving to production)
« Reply #250 on: Fri, 28 March 2014, 12:23:17 »

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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (moving to production)
« Reply #251 on: Sat, 29 March 2014, 23:49:00 »
IM STILL MAD CPTNEWASS GOT A CAP AND NOT ME WTF I WILL DESTROY YOU ANSWAN
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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (moving to production)
« Reply #252 on: Sun, 30 March 2014, 09:02:10 »
IM STILL MAD CPTNEWASS GOT A CAP AND NOT ME WTF I WILL DESTROY YOU ANSWAN

You don't know what they secrets are demilk
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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (moving to production)
« Reply #253 on: Sun, 30 March 2014, 09:08:55 »

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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (moving to production)
« Reply #254 on: Sun, 30 March 2014, 13:38:52 »
IM STILL MAD CPTNEWASS GOT A CAP AND NOT ME WTF I WILL DESTROY YOU ANSWAN

You don't know what they secrets are demilk

But I want to fight him :(
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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (moving to production)
« Reply #255 on: Mon, 31 March 2014, 08:11:38 »
IM STILL MAD CPTNEWASS GOT A CAP AND NOT ME WTF I WILL DESTROY YOU ANSWAN

You don't know what they secrets are demilk

But I want to fight him :(

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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (moving to production)
« Reply #256 on: Mon, 31 March 2014, 08:12:29 »
fite me irl OuO
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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (moving to production)
« Reply #257 on: Mon, 31 March 2014, 08:25:17 »
IM STILL MAD CPTNEWASS GOT A CAP AND NOT ME WTF I WILL DESTROY YOU ANSWAN

You don't know what they secrets are demilk

But I want to fight him :(

1v1, Dust, Pistols only. Let's go.
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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (moving to production)
« Reply #258 on: Mon, 31 March 2014, 08:35:39 »
IM STILL MAD CPTNEWASS GOT A CAP AND NOT ME WTF I WILL DESTROY YOU ANSWAN

You don't know what they secrets are demilk

But I want to fight him :(

1v1, Dust, Pistols only. Let's go.
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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (moving to production)
« Reply #259 on: Mon, 31 March 2014, 08:37:52 »
Fastest 20 minute NR
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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (moving to production)
« Reply #260 on: Mon, 31 March 2014, 09:03:11 »
No items, fox only, Final Destinaton!

Fastest 20 minute NR

These are also good ideas. But I'd smash him in Fastest 20 min NR. Not ready for my all carrier build.

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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (moving to production)
« Reply #261 on: Mon, 31 March 2014, 09:14:21 »
WTB the caps that i will miss from the pack, just sayin'  :D

These look so awesome, this is what i can call a job well done!
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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (moving to production)
« Reply #262 on: Mon, 31 March 2014, 09:38:00 »
CS, Super smash bros and SC references up in this biatch. I felt like this when I read them:

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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (moving to production)
« Reply #263 on: Mon, 31 March 2014, 11:50:29 »
IM STILL MAD CPTNEWASS GOT A CAP AND NOT ME WTF I WILL DESTROY YOU ANSWAN

You don't know what they secrets are demilk

But I want to fight him :(

1v1, Dust, Pistols only. Let's go.

Winner takes all ;)
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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (moving to production)
« Reply #264 on: Tue, 01 April 2014, 15:05:52 »
CS, Super smash bros and SC references up in this biatch. I felt like this when I read them:
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LOL

But yeah, this could be me as well :p

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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (moving to production)
« Reply #265 on: Fri, 11 April 2014, 08:07:00 »
keys have arrived
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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (moving to production)
« Reply #266 on: Fri, 11 April 2014, 08:12:03 »
keys have arrived

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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (moving to production)
« Reply #267 on: Fri, 11 April 2014, 08:17:53 »
keys have arrived

Thanks for the good news! :thumb:

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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (moving to production)
« Reply #268 on: Sat, 12 April 2014, 02:19:52 »
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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (moving to production)
« Reply #269 on: Sat, 12 April 2014, 02:21:14 »
keys have arrived

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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (moving to production)
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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (produced, moving to shipping)
« Reply #272 on: Sun, 13 April 2014, 09:48:03 »
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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (produced, moving to shipping)
« Reply #273 on: Wed, 16 April 2014, 14:08:23 »
Early adopter. :D

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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (produced, moving to shipping)
« Reply #274 on: Wed, 16 April 2014, 14:10:11 »
Duuuuuude!

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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (produced, moving to shipping)
« Reply #275 on: Wed, 16 April 2014, 14:11:23 »
Wow!

Are those extras for everyone or were those part of some contest? I honestly can't remember :D


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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (produced, moving to shipping)
« Reply #276 on: Wed, 16 April 2014, 14:12:20 »
Is that a black on black doubleshot? :))

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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (produced, moving to shipping)
« Reply #277 on: Wed, 16 April 2014, 14:12:57 »
Is that a black on black doubleshot? :))

That's what I was hoping at first, but alas no, it's just a blank. :)
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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (produced, moving to shipping)
« Reply #278 on: Wed, 16 April 2014, 14:13:24 »
Is that a black on black doubleshot? :))

it is

here is a better pic of that key



you can see the legend
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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (produced, moving to shipping)
« Reply #279 on: Wed, 16 April 2014, 14:14:20 »
Oh my.... That blue polycarbonate GH key!  :eek:

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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (produced, moving to shipping)
« Reply #280 on: Wed, 16 April 2014, 14:15:54 »
it is

here is a better pic of that key

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you can see the legend

Wonder how visible that is in RL - but nice :eek:
Also, those half-translucents or whatever they are (the two on the left) look neat!

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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (produced, moving to shipping)
« Reply #281 on: Wed, 16 April 2014, 14:24:56 »
Is that a black on black doubleshot? :))

it is

here is a better pic of that key

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you can see the legend

Wow that is more subtle than I thought it was going to be when I picked those colors.
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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (produced, moving to shipping)
« Reply #282 on: Wed, 16 April 2014, 14:25:51 »
Early adopter. :D

Complete pack.



Extras.



Everything.



Thank you Bunnylake, for everything you do for this community, and for being a friend to me, personally. <3

Early adopter....and I thought I had the first order :o

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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (produced, moving to shipping)
« Reply #283 on: Wed, 16 April 2014, 14:26:57 »
Is that a black on black doubleshot? :))

it is

here is a better pic of that key

Show Image


you can see the legend

Wow that is more subtle than I thought it was going to be when I picked those colors.

i think jd got an actual blank, because its totally visible normally
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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (produced, moving to shipping)
« Reply #284 on: Wed, 16 April 2014, 14:27:26 »
Early adopter. :D

Complete pack.



Extras.



Everything.



Thank you Bunnylake, for everything you do for this community, and for being a friend to me, personally. <3

Early adopter....and I thought I had the first order :o

Shipping from Texas :)
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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (produced, moving to shipping)
« Reply #285 on: Wed, 16 April 2014, 14:29:14 »
i think jd got an actual blank, because its totally visible normally

I tried to enhance JD's pic by playing with contrast etc. but I couldn't make out anything :-X

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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (produced, moving to shipping)
« Reply #286 on: Wed, 16 April 2014, 14:31:54 »
i think jd got an actual blank, because its totally visible normally

I tried to enhance JD's pic by playing with contrast etc. but I couldn't make out anything :-X

yeah im gonna get an extra to him

before everyone gets there hopes up, most people requested there set ship with raindrop or penumbra

i need to go through all the orders shortly, and find out which ones didnt so we can get those otu to people early, but officially this hasnt shipped yet, we are just getting nostalgia out but that wont be much longer
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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (produced, moving to shipping)
« Reply #287 on: Wed, 16 April 2014, 15:26:01 »
Early adopter. :D

Complete pack.
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Extras.
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Everything.
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Thank you Bunnylake, for everything you do for this community, and for being a friend to me, personally. <3

Beautiful shot of the keys JD! Stoked to receive mine. Love those extras you got too. :D

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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (produced, moving to shipping)
« Reply #288 on: Wed, 16 April 2014, 17:20:36 »
That red on semi-transparent white is pretty awesome looking.
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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (produced, moving to shipping)
« Reply #289 on: Wed, 16 April 2014, 18:23:29 »
Early adopter. :D

Complete pack.
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Extras.
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Everything.
Show Image



Thank you Bunnylake, for everything you do for this community, and for being a friend to me, personally. <3


Wow :)  I can't wait to get these

Mine will be coming with my Rain Drop R2 order.  If I hadthought that the GH keys would've been done sooner I would have paid separate shipping :D
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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (produced, moving to shipping)
« Reply #290 on: Wed, 16 April 2014, 23:43:51 »
Is that a black on black doubleshot? :))

it is

here is a better pic of that key

Show Image


you can see the legend

Are the two on the left GID by any chance?
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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (produced, moving to shipping)
« Reply #291 on: Wed, 16 April 2014, 23:46:42 »
God dammit I NEED that polycarbonate blue to complete my tech keys card...
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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (produced, moving to shipping)
« Reply #292 on: Thu, 17 April 2014, 00:37:38 »
Wow!

Are those extras for everyone or were those part of some contest? I honestly can't remember :D


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Can somebody please enlighten me :)

Will everybody who ordered get all these awesome keys JD got or are those limited?

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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (produced, moving to shipping)
« Reply #293 on: Thu, 17 April 2014, 06:28:53 »
Wow!

Are those extras for everyone or were those part of some contest? I honestly can't remember :D


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Can somebody please enlighten me :)

Will everybody who ordered get all these awesome keys JD got or are those limited?

everyone will get the 15 main keys shown as well as 2 of the extra keys

some of the keys are far more limited than others
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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (produced, moving to shipping)
« Reply #294 on: Thu, 17 April 2014, 06:30:17 »
Thanks for clarifying  :thumb:

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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (produced, moving to shipping)
« Reply #295 on: Thu, 17 April 2014, 06:46:24 »
Thanks for clarifying  :thumb:

i couldnt afford to make it a 21/22 key pack for everyone sadly, but everyone who ordered the complete pack (15 keys) will get at least 17 different caps
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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (produced, moving to shipping)
« Reply #296 on: Thu, 17 April 2014, 06:57:03 »
MUCH EXCITE :D

Can't wait to get the caps, they are sooo awesome. Good job, good job!

ALso Bunny please PM me before you ship anything to me, thanks.
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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (produced, moving to shipping)
« Reply #297 on: Thu, 17 April 2014, 07:01:25 »
Is that a black on black doubleshot? :))

it is

here is a better pic of that key

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you can see the legend

This picture has 4 of the best looking caps IMO.   Especially the top left light blue one.
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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (produced, moving to shipping)
« Reply #298 on: Thu, 17 April 2014, 08:21:27 »
This picture has 4 of the best looking caps IMO.   Especially the top left light blue one.

Yeah, the top left one looks like the meth blue from the Breaking Bad keyset!

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Re: (GB) geekhack key EXTRAVAGANZA (produced, moving to shipping)
« Reply #299 on: Thu, 17 April 2014, 08:28:23 »
This picture has 4 of the best looking caps IMO.   Especially the top left light blue one.

Yeah, the top left one looks like the meth blue from the Breaking Bad keyset!


Kinda makes me sad to know that I might not get that one, or the white one with red text.
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