PLU ML-87 with POM keycaps

[squarebox]

PLU ML-87 POM



N-KRO via P/S 2 and 6-KRO via USB
Comes in Black, Blue or Brown Switches
POM(Delrin) keycaps
PLU-key for Media functions (similar to Steelseries-key)
Ugly as SIN branding...

Review:
http://article.pchome.net/content-1218318.html

It can be bought from PLU's taobao shop
Link : http://store.taobao.com/shop/view_shop-716fe148b760e8495865237c0c85df9f.htm

For $50 before agent fee/shipping is not too bad...

[rickysio]

However it looks like you can simply pluck out the branding, so it isn't that bad. Translation of their sales spiel in progress...

They also have the full keyboards... http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=3365295055

[squarebox]

Seem like they use POM for all their keyboards...

[elbowglue]

DAAAMN.  Ok someone do a group buy of these in cherry blues and I'll be in for 1.

By the way, my favorite part is the windows key with a big slash through it.

87 with "tea axis" probably brown:
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=8006202247

87 with "blue axis" looks like cherry blue:
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=8006385569

[sixty]

Now that is what I call competitive pricing.
EUR 33 for a tenkeyless with MX switches?
I guess I might buy one.

[WhiteRice]

Hate the logo, and I'm not a big fan of the case.

But at a price like that who am I to complain?

If anyone can find some direct contact information. Please inquire about a group order!

[BlueRain]

The site says they are backordered (at least the 87 version), and won't have stock till earlier next month. Not sure whether "next month" refers to Nov or Dec. o.O

[Hak Foo]

That pricing is more what I would want from  China.

I keep seeing "Plucky" when I see  that name.  Like I "PLU Key" your "Ducky".

The 104 looks interesting, but it's more money-- near Rosewill costs-- although I am liking the 'Media shift' in lieu of the menu key nobody ever uses.  I wish it would go one step further to 'Macro Shift' (a few stock media keys plus programmable macros on the letters

[laden3]

For $50 before agent fee/shipping is not too bad...

US or Singapore?

[BlueRain]

300+ RMB translate to ~$50USD

US or Singapore?

[laden3]

oops... didn't see that "before", guess it is a malaysian habit to not read carefully =D

[Laggy-gaga]

Unfortunately they were all sold out last week.
BTW, this keyboard is not NKRO.
Ducky 1087 selling at RMB 499
PLU 87 RMB 329
PLUM 87 RMB 290
PLUM 84 RMB around 350

80% fighting!

[squarebox]

Unfortunately they were all sold out last week.
BTW, this keyboard is not NKRO.

Any source on this?
The review from the website i posted say it has.

[phate408]

The 104 looks interesting, but it's more money-- near Rosewill costs-- although I am liking the 'Media shift' in lieu of the menu key nobody ever uses.  I wish it would go one step further to 'Macro Shift' (a few stock media keys plus programmable macros on the letters

I occasionally use the menu key, thank you very much :tongue: Pretty much only when my mouse is charging and I'm navigating via keyboard though.

[Laggy-gaga]

Only 100 pLU87 were put on the market at the 1st wave.
It was so cheap so every1 wanted one, sold out within 2 days...
the next round could be delayed to later this month.
taobao doesn't have the out of store option as amazon or newegg

[laden3]

Any source on this?
The review from the website i posted say it has.

It says 9kro, the bad habit spreads across the sea :biggrin:

[Laggy-gaga]

I posted a thread: Whos vs HHKB round 2 weeks ago
U might find some info there
Im using iphone then might post the resource links later today

[squarebox]

I posted a thread: Whos vs HHKB round 2 weeks ago
U might find some info there
Im using iphone then might post the resource links later today

I did a search,
U were mentioning about NKRO-PRO right?

[Moogle Stiltzkin]

So does this plum have nkro pro on usb ?

10 keyless :/ yucks.

Also what key print type does it use

[Laggy-gaga]

PLUM 84 are quite difference from PLUM 87
PLUM 84 is with NKRO-PRO and without numpad, link
PLUM 87 without NKRO and with numpad

but PLUM sold the whole design of PLUM 84 to NOPPOO
so this month it will be out labelled NOPPOO mini

kinds of confused, I will show u pictures later,
not today, ran out of Interenet usage

all printed by laser

[didjamatic]

I still don't think I can handle typing on something with a big swooshy Rosewill logo on it... there is no way I'm even touching a keyboard that says Poo on it.

[itlnstln]

Well, it's No(p)Poo, so that's comforting.

[elbowglue]

I emailed Obook, got response, shipped to me in california with all taxes and fees, it is $92.75 USD via "EMS Shipping",  $82.70 via "airmail" (paid through paypal).

According to Obook it "will be stocked in mid november"

Pretty good price IMHO, beats the crap outta elitekeyboards prices.  Of course return policy / keyboard quality / NKRO / Chinese manual / No warrenty or support makes up for this difference.

Then again keycap quality may be better

[Laggy-gaga]

Take a look at PLU3000(fullsize version of PLU87)
link

[WhiteRice]

elbowglue WAIT,

I had a good experience with obook, but they're pricey.

I found some other brokers with commissions as low as 10%

[elbowglue]

Well, it sure looks like these keycaps will wear better than filcos.  My experience with the POM keycaps on the Ricercar SPOS is that they stay really new looking for a long time.

Saving 5% on commission should be like $2.50 off the total bill correct? since total price is $50 usd..

Anyhow I don't think I can justify this cause I already have a filco tenkeyless, and it would proabably take over 1 month to get here..

[Laggy-gaga]

So I suggest u w8 2 more weeks till the plum 84 pumps up
PLU87's price is  good , but nothing different from tenkeyless

[elbowglue]

Yeah. You're right.  I hope you post when the Plum 84 is released right away so I can jump on it before it sells out! *hugs laggy-gaga*

[squarebox]

The QC of the keycaps looks kinda bad to me...
Some keys look sunken it like unicomp black keycaps

But if u can get it @ USD$50 after shipping from a MO, it will be worth the price.

[Laggy-gaga]

The QC of the keycaps looks kinda bad to me...
Some keys look sunken it like unicomp black keycaps

But if u can get it @ USD$50 after shipping from a MO, it will be worth the price.

That is the point
but POM is hard to handle
even Cherry can't make POM keycaps as good as PBT

[itlnstln]

I emailed Obook, got response, shipped to me in california with all taxes and fees, it is $92.75 USD via "EMS Shipping",  $82.70 via "airmail" (paid through paypal).

According to Obook it "will be stocked in mid november"

Pretty good price IMHO, beats the crap outta elitekeyboards prices.  Of course return policy / keyboard quality / NKRO / Chinese manual / No warrenty or support makes up for this difference.

Then again keycap quality may be better

Which one were you looking at?  If it's the 84, it might be time for a group buy.  At the very least, I may PM you to get some info on ordering through obook.

[Moogle Stiltzkin]

That is the point
but POM is hard to handle
even Cherry can't make POM keycaps as good as PBT

Oh i didn't know it was that hard to work with :/

Anyway thanks for the pics and the info :love:


Lol logo with pom keycap on spacebar. That is so.... unecessary


Laser etched onto pom keycaps you say ? Thats nice The question nos is the price :/ Also shame no NKRO >:{

[Moogle Stiltzkin]

Shrinking ?

Do you mean those round impressions on the keys ?? (e.g. bottom far left )

[chongyixiong]

Shrinking ?

Do you mean those round impressions on the keys ?? (e.g. bottom far left )

To be fair, ripster did say "dimples" so I'm guessing that was what he most likely meant - those crater-like impressions on the blank black keys as compared to the POM keycaps (numbered keys)

[laden3]

I thought PBT had a reputation of shrinking causing those "dimples".  Haven't heard of it being an issue with POM.

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Does that happen to Cherry keycaps? Or... just Model M's? My customizer has one above the stem.

[Laggy-gaga]

Most pom keycaps on Cherry have those dimples
especially on Enter, Shift

[Moogle Stiltzkin]

To be fair, ripster did say "dimples" so I'm guessing that was what he most likely meant - those crater-like impressions on the blank black keys as compared to the POM keycaps (numbered keys)

Oh i see what you mean. Wow i did not know pbt keys have this issue :d

Isn't that worse than ABS shiny keys ?

[laden3]

We love dimples

[elbowglue]

I emailed Obook, got response, shipped to me in california with all taxes and fees, it is $92.75 USD via "EMS Shipping",  $82.70 via "airmail" (paid through paypal).

According to Obook it "will be stocked in mid november"

Pretty good price IMHO, beats the crap outta elitekeyboards prices.  Of course return policy / keyboard quality / NKRO / Chinese manual / No warrenty or support makes up for this difference.

Then again keycap quality may be better

EMS shipping takes about 1 week, Airmail 2-3 weeks.  Quote for 5 keyboards is $393 for Airmail, $414 for EMS.  That makes it about $79 per KB for bulk order of #5.

[speakeasy]

Hi, I've been lurking for the past few couple months or so. I'm thinking about buying this board with Cherry Browns. I was between this and the Choc Mini for the past two weeks, but the NOPPOO's color scheme is just too ugly for me. It seems like it would be great if I wanted to stand out, whereas the PLU ML-87 might masquerade as a FILCO Tenkeyless. I'll miss not having that awesome Engrish box of the Choc Mini though.

If anyone did some extra research and found out anything that would make this not a good keyboard to buy, lemme know, otherwise I'll probably pull the trigger later this week.

[fssbzz]

kbc report PLU87, Nkey rollover issue.
it specified 6KRO under USB, sometimes work 4KRO, sometimes only 3KRO
http://bbs.kbc-china.com/thread-3977-1-1.html

[speakeasy]

Hmmm, that's disappointing. The ML-87 was already giving up NKRO to the Choc Mini, now the advertised 6KRO is being challenged I wonder if 9KRO is still available under PS/2 though. I don't absolutely need NKRO, but it would be nice to have. The only use for this keyboard would be Starcraft 2 and some light internet browsing. So not sure if the extra 100RMB is worth it for the NKRO choc mini. Decisions decisions...

[db_Iodine]

Those KRO problems would make me avoid buying this keyboard and spend the extra few bucks on the Noppoo. The Noppoo seems to be an excellent value for the money.

[kidchunks]

I was looking at the choc mini but decided to get this board (white edition).

I'll provide a review once it arrives. All the reviews I found didn't tear the board apart!

[laden3]

found it in a few clicks...
http://www.pcwaishe.cn/thread-125256-1-1.html

[kidchunks]

found it in a few clicks...
http://www.pcwaishe.cn/thread-125256-1-1.html

Saves me from having to crack mine open (I might still do it). I wonder if much has changed with the release of the whites, doubt it.

[fssbzz]

too bad their 6kro fail under usb
nkro fail too under ps/2

Tried, the 6KRO works on these combination :

asd jkl, qwe iop,awd jil, awd ko; and more which i dont feel like trying all the possible combination tongue.gif

zxc doesnt works though, maybe kbc define 6KRO by the means of any random 6 keys, so it failed the test possibly due to the one i've mentioned.

And the 9KRO isnt random too. A mechanical keyboard at this price, you cant expect too much from it tongue.gif

same as the on that reported in kbc.
but he using 87key.
http://bbs.kbc-china.com/thread-3977-1-1.html

[fssbzz]

their 87key is 399 rmb

[fssbzz]

ya rmb 人民币 = yan 元

[laden3]

it's yuan
he was talking about Japanese Yen

[manfaux]

their 87key is 399 rmb

for $60 it seems like a unbeatable deal, bring them stateside please!

[laden3]

Korean too.

[kidchunks]

Paid a little less when I bought mine with browns. I will see what issues arise when using it.

[elbowglue]

That's more cherry boards than elitekeyboards sold in the same period.

[Doober]

i got my white version pics are in mail sub forum

and my NKRO is broken too, it is mentioned in there

regardless i missed my browns on my compaq and im loving these plate mounted ones even more..... now to find a use for the noisy M..........

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=13974

-doober

[iMav]

Can someone point me to the appropriate link for a white one with blue Cherrys?  (I can only find browns (assuming the pictures are any indication)).

[laden3]

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=8294902959

[iMav]

Thanks. I forgot about this useful nugget in the wiki:

Cherry MX Blue: 青轴 (they call it green)
Cherry MX Brown: 茶轴 (they call it tea)
Cherry MX Black: 黑轴

[speakeasy]

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=8437652604

Select the 青轴 option when ordering.

[fssbzz]

http://store.taobao.com/shop/view_shop-716fe148b760e8495865237c0c85df9f.htm
ctrl+F the 青轴

[kidchunks]

The nkro issue has something to do with that damn ELAN chip I bet! Prolly the same reason choc mini's are flaky on macs. Hey doober, be sure to open it up to see if it has the same cut out defect as the blacks.

Can't wait to get mine!

[Doober]

open mine its tooo newwwwwwwwww

agaahgah

-doober

[kidchunks]

open mine its tooo newwwwwwwwww

agaahgah

-doober

Would have opened mine, but you got it before me

[nocturn4l3030]

are POM keycaps considered cheap? or is it a good?  what material does a Filco/Ducky use?

i'm lookin at the keycap wiki and all i see is that the POM is expensive and not common.. but would like opinions on the feel of these.. thinkin bout getting one of these in white, but not if the keys feel cheap

[fssbzz]

POM are better then Filco's abs.
Ducky use PBT.

[kidchunks]

Since some reports stated(previous page) that 6kro and even nkro are malfunctioning on this board, I would stay away and look for something else if you plan on doing heavy gaming.

I was planning on using this board at work anyways so it ain't problem that the kro is not working as advertised. Still a sweet looking board!

Guess Doober and me are the only GHers riding the PLU Express.

[Doober]

Yup , and kidchunks I love mine!!!!

also, the white version isn't POM it is ABS supposedly

also I do heavy gaming lol i have played SC not SC2 since i was in 4th grade, and never had NKRO. I also play CS, CSS, TF2, and WoW.

-doober

lack of or malfunctioning NKRO is disappoint, but maybe some true Geekhacker can figure out a fix

edit: i ordered this kb chunks for that very reason to be the first to have it

[kidchunks]

When did you place your order? Placed my order in the mid of December and still haven't received it. But I also ordered some other stuff so they bundled it together. Probably why its taking so long!

[Doober]

just checked i placed on Dec. 23 2010, then i did DHL (which was a lil high but meh) and i got it 1/3/2011 so roughly 1 week from order date

[nocturn4l3030]

Since some reports stated(previous page) that 6kro and even nkro are malfunctioning on this board, I would stay away and look for something else if you plan on doing heavy gaming.

I was planning on using this board at work anyways so it ain't problem that the kro is not working as advertised. Still a sweet looking board!

Guess Doober and me are the only GHers riding the PLU Express.

ah yea good lookin out...i was thinking about how many keys do i really ever press at one time and at most it would be 3... i would think these boards would at least have 3kro?? kinda sucks because it seems every one of these boards is a "surprise"..u never kno what youre gonna get lol

but the price is so cheap that im really really thinking of taking the risk. that and also i cant find a good white colored blue switch board anywhere except made by ducky...unless someone can help me find one -.-;

[nocturn4l3030]

Yup , and kidchunks I love mine!!!!

also, the white version isn't POM it is ABS supposedly

also I do heavy gaming lol i have played SC not SC2 since i was in 4th grade, and never had NKRO. I also play CS, CSS, TF2, and WoW.

-doober

lack of or malfunctioning NKRO is disappoint, but maybe some true Geekhacker can figure out a fix

edit: i ordered this kb chunks for that very reason to be the first to have it

can u kindly check for me if your board has 3kro? -.-

[nocturn4l3030]

Although technically possible to get something between 2KRO and 6KRO I've never seen it.  I've only seen sloppy testers who give up too quickly.

Plus they must not teach Mininum and Maximum in Grade School in cities where OCN'rs live.

ah damn i didn't know that.....

hMMMmmmmm

that really sucks.. i only use 2 keys at most but if there's a FPS i want to play i might need 3......

damn the ****ty manufacturing.. guess that explains the price

aklsdfjalkdsfjasdlkjf

[Doober]

ripster is Right, but with this board it is only a few combos that fail.

For instance you cannot hold down more keys if both Shifts are held down. I play CSS and COD, and I used to manage just fine on my IBM model M.

also my PLU 87 passes a lot of the common fps combos, WASD cluster and ctrl, shift, 1-6. c, v, x, z.

i just have never noticed myself in a video game using more than 2-3 buttons at a time.

and with WoW it is usually some form of WASD and Shift and 1-6 it passes that too

if you want what is so far my favorite keyboard and White with cherry browns, then I would go for it.

also something neat, is that they replaced the right windows key with a key that disables the left windows key. it has this neat underglow effect when on.



-doober

[nocturn4l3030]

ripster is Right, but with this board it is only a few combos that fail.

For instance you cannot hold down more keys if both Shifts are held down. I play CSS and COD, and I used to manage just fine on my IBM model M.

also my PLU 87 passes a lot of the common fps combos, WASD cluster and ctrl, shift, 1-6. c, v, x, z.

i just have never noticed myself in a video game using more than 2-3 buttons at a time.

and with WoW it is usually some form of WASD and Shift and 1-6 it passes that too

if you want what is so far my favorite keyboard and White with cherry browns, then I would go for it.

also something neat, is that they replaced the right windows key with a key that disables the left windows key. it has this neat underglow effect when on.

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-doober

awesome, thanks so much for that. pretty sure im going to order this now ;D the price is awesome

[fssbzz]

they are actually gaming optimized KRO

[bakageta]

Can anyone with this board test the arrow keys? I'm going to be so bummed if I can't hit all 4 at once...

[Doober]

Can anyone with this board test the arrow keys? I'm going to be so bummed if I can't hit all 4 at once...

I believe i am the only one on here currently with this keyboard, and yes I will test that for you.

this is how it goes

Success

Left + Up | Right + Up + Down | Left + Down + Right

Failure

All Four  | Right + Up + Left

is that all i was getting confused lol

-doober

[bakageta]

Going to have to keep my Filco around for Stepmania then it seems... Sadly one of the very few games I play that actually needs nkro or something close to it.

[zakazak]

read that thread and if i got it right:

6 keys at the same time arent working.. however, you can press enough keys on the same time to have no problems at all when gaming?

[zakazak]

also when using it via USB ?

3 key combos failing.. that would suck.. i sometimes have to press "W" + "A" + "CTRL" + "SHIFT" when gaming.. or "W" + "D" + "CTRL" :/

[foliolio]

also when using it via USB ?

3 key combos failing.. that would suck.. i sometimes have to press "W" + "A" + "CTRL" + "SHIFT" when gaming.. or "W" + "D" + "CTRL" :/

6 posts above yours on page 6:

also my PLU 87 passes a lot of the common fps combos, WASD cluster and ctrl, shift, 1-6. c, v, x, z.
 
i just have never noticed myself in a video game using more than 2-3 buttons at a time.
 
and with WoW it is usually some form of WASD and Shift and 1-6 it passes that too

[foliolio]

Apparently there's a new revision of ML-87 with NKRO hitting the stores soon, plenty of shops list this on TaoBao already.

[Ryun]

Apparently there's a new revision of ML-87 with NKRO hitting the stores soon, plenty of shops list this on TaoBao already.

Would you mind shooting a link to this info or elaborating on how to spot the difference? I live in the US so I doubt I'd get any NKRO goodness any time soon, but there are a couple of ebay vendors that carry them. I'd like to ask them about NKRO but I don't know what to ask that would give me a guarantee.

[mmm]

Mine is from april 2011 (as the little blue sticker says).
Does anyone how to open it? I can't see any screws at the bottom. Is there a screw below the small round ML sticker? (If not, i don't want to destroy that cute little sticker :wink:.)
Beginners question: now that i have tenkeyless, how do i type alt+219? :tongue: (Without buying a numpad.)
The shift + scroll-lock maybe only works on those IBM's?

[cactux]

Did someone ordered one already? I would like to see how good/bad looks the inside

[mmm]

I think a one eyed prostitute would not get much clients and thus go out of business and thus a special symbol would not be needed.

Hmm... Charmap... But it takes ages to find the wanted symbols there... I guess i should have bought a more expensive keyboard with a num-key... (But this one was already almost €70 after shipping and obooking.) They could've used that useless disable_winkey on this keyboard for that.

Btw, the LED's are too bright.

Did someone ordered one already? I would like to see how good/bad looks the inside

Yes i'm typin on one manfactured april 2011 right now. But i don't know how to open it. And don't want to break it trying to find out...:tongue1:

[noodles256]

don't worry, my topre is on the way.

nice name change btw

[mmmty]

I didn't change. I'm the guy with the block head.

I'll send yours out in about an hour.

[mmm]

Topre? I thought this thread was about the PLU ML-87.

[noodles256]

i know, i kid

IMPOSTER

[mmmty]

PLU ML-87 with Topre?

[mmm]

Using a sharpie on the LED's of my most expensive keyboard ever... No way!  (No i didn't buy a Happy Hacking one yet... .)
Haven't found out how to open the KB anyway... Well i think i have to remove the small manufacturing date sticker.

I think i'll just put some ugly white sticker over it.
A slight factory mod (it almosts fits now) of the keyboard in the future would enable putting a LEGO stud in it (and thus a colored see through LEGO would fit on it).

PLU ML-87 with Topre?

?
Like a siamese twin?

[mmm]

First I thought there was a bug with the " and the ' keys, but now I see it happens with another keyboard too. So you can forget about that.

Hate the logo, and I'm not a big fan of the case.

I've got the white keyboard, and the logo is white (both white and black seem to exist), with kinda holographic characters. It isn't 'loud' or very notable. But of course, if you're a minimalist then it could be bothering.

At the bottem it says: G1196999 and SN: 11040483. Anyone know what the G number is?

[wompwomp]

Quick question guys, I'm thinking about buying this keyboard off of qtwan and was wondering is this board is "Gmaing optimized" 2KRO or just straight 2KRO.

[mmm]

As I hardly play any games, I don't know. Although I think ripster already said something about it, but don't exactly remember what.
If you'll tell me how to test it (without installing games), I might be able to do that for you.

[daerid]

Does anybody know if the white PLU's have POM keys? Just got one from weipm, and I can't tell. He says their ABS, but they feel much, much different than any of my Filco keycaps.

[daerid]

Would that be the PLUM keyboard? It does say POM keycaps, but the box mine came in doesn't look like the box shown in the source link.

[scribble]

Quick question guys, I'm thinking about buying this keyboard off of qtwan and was wondering is this board is "Gmaing optimized" 2KRO or just straight 2KRO.

Just got my keyboard today so I can tell you that if you press WASD together, there are no problems if that is your question.

[mmm]

Does anybody know if the white PLU's have POM keys? Just got one from weipm, and I can't tell. He says their ABS, but they feel much, much different than any of my Filco keycaps.

According to this Ebay entry it is ABS.

PLU ML-87 portable mechanical keyboard (Cherry MX Series Blue Switch)  White Edition:

-Germany Original Cherry mechanical switches, maintaining a fantastic touch-feeling for a long time. Long life (50 million operations per key)
-87-Key only, compared to the standard 104 keys, PLU87 does not have the numeric keypad (17 keys less).
-ABS laser engraving Cap.
-WIN shielding. Reduce misuse.
-Narrow frame design
-Standard 6-keys conflict-free design under USB interface which  covers 99% normal operation. 9-keys conflict-free through the USB adapter to PS/2 adapter.
-Multimedia function keys

[wompwomp]

Does anybody know if the white PLU's have POM keys? Just got one from weipm, and I can't tell. He says their ABS, but they feel much, much different than any of my Filco keycaps.

I believe the white PLU's come with ABS keycaps and the black PLU's come with POM keycaps.

[mmm]

A quick look inside. There is one screw under the small round fabrication month sticker. Then I used some old Sony sticks to keep the little clamps from falling back into place. Then I put the knife at the side to dislodge another clamp and i think i did the other side too before I could pull things apart.

[mmm]

Quick question guys, I'm thinking about buying this keyboard off of qtwan and was wondering is this board is "Gmaing optimized" 2KRO or just straight 2KRO.

Results for the 'gaming optimized' question: using Keyboard Ghosting Demonstration:
USB with 1.5m. USB extension cable:
QWA: they do NOT work all together. Like with many other three key combo's, only the first two keys pressed are registered.
If I hold down Q+W+A in notepad, it says 'qwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww...' etc.
Logically, QWA+Shift: they do NOT work all together either.

QWD: they DO work all together. That is, they all light up blue together at the virtual keyboard.
WDR: they DO work all together.
WAR: they DO work all together.
WASD: they DO work all together.
When holding down combo's in notepad, only the last key pressed will be registered. Like if you do Q+W+D, they all light up together at the virtual keyboard at the link, but only the D keeps getting registered. So 'qwdddddddddddddd...' shows up in notepad, not 'qwdqwdqwdqwd....'. I think this is normal keyboard behaviour?

QWD+Shift: they DO work all together.
WDR+Shift: they DO work all together.
WAR+Shift: they DO work all together.
WASD+Shift: they DO work all together.
When holding down those combo's in notepad and Shift is the last key pressed, no further input comes up. So in notepad after w+a+r+Shift results in: 'wwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrr [then nothing]'. Not 'wwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....'.
If start with Shift, like Shift+w+a+r, I get 'WWWWWAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.....'.

[daerid]

I've found my PLU to be perfectly acceptable for FPS gaming. Couldn't comment on RTS or SC2, as I don't play.

[digitalleftovers]

A quick look inside. There is one screw under the small round fabrication month sticker. Then I used some old Sony sticks to keep the little clamps from falling back into place. Then I put the knife at the side to dislodge another clamp and i think i did the other side too before I could pull things apart.

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I wouldn't be afraid to take apart my ducky 1087 if they had learned anything from this design. =)

[wompwomp]

Question, are the blank keycap version of this keyboard completely blank or are they like the filco ninja with the printing below the keycap? I can't seem to find any pictures.

[foliolio]

They are totally blank (无刻).

[mmm]

BE AWARE taking keycaps off with the black keyboard versions. I killed a blue switch in the process. Although be it that I did NOT use a keycap puller (as I don't have one (yet)), with my black keyboard version the keys are MUCH tighter attached to the blue plastics: the blue plastics come out too when trying to remove a keycap. So the cross underneath the blue keys is much tighter.
And when putting those blue plastics in again, they tend to break. I removed six black keycaps, and one of the blue plastics broke when I tried to put it in the keyboard again. There is MUCH force needed to get the blue plastics back into the keyboard again. (So much force that I fear for the switch socket or the keyboard itself, not just the blue plastics.) So with the black keyboard versions, do not try to remove a keycap without a good keycap puller. (EDIT: not sure even that would help. See posts below.) So, using a flat piece of metal (like a screw driver) is not recommended at all with the black keyboards. With the white version and with other older keyboards I never had problems using a screw driver - I did that many times. Sometimes one side of the blue plastics comes up a little bit out of its socket using a screw driver to remove the cap, but the blue plastic never came out completely as with my black PLU.
Since I never use the special PLU-key, I put the broken blue switch under that keycap. They key still functions, but the clicky thing is broken.

So, i'm going to google for two things now: where to get some extra of those blue plastics (as they are hard to remove from an old keyboard or a complete switch, I think), and where to get an el cheapo cap puller .

[alaricljs]

The stem swapping wiki (check the bottom of this wiki) will enlighten you on cracking a switch to put the stem back in, but that would require de-soldering the switch so that it can be removed from the plate.  And they only sell complete switches.     Mouser for $.83 plus shipping.

[mmm]

Mouser for $.83 plus shipping.

MERCHANDISE TOTAL: € 0,70
Delivery Charge: € 20,00
Order Total: € 20,70
:ohwell:

[alaricljs]

Umm, change your country?  That should drop the delivery a bit, they do have EU locations.

[mmm]

My country is selected automatically (although I disabled geolocation in the browser... So how does the site know where i'm from??).
I'm not gonna order - way too expensive (shipping). I don't use the PLU function key anyway. I can screw up three more stems, as I don't use the no_windows_key_key either. :smile:
I have a crude keycap remover now, but it makes scratches on the keys. (Could find only one paper clip in my house. :tongue:)

[mmm]

I didn't use my black keyboard yet.
So I just now discovered the a-key doesn't work good, out of the box!! No click. I used my crude keycap puller to remove it. I lifted it straight up. But still, the stem got out too. The key caps are just way too much attached to the stems. The fit is way too tight. This is not good - at least not if you wanna exchange keys (without opening the whole keyboard first or maybe you can remove the whole switch without opening the keyboard, I don't know).

So, now the stem from the a-key is broken too. I think it got damaged while lifting the keycap. Maybe it was already a bit halfway broken, I don't know. Maybe they are clones and not original quality?
The cause of the not properly functioning a-key is probably the spring under it: it is crooked. I don't think this happened while I removed the keycap. I now put the broken stem and the crooked spring under the no_windows_key_key. Although I never use that key anyway, now I CAN'T use it anymore at all - it's stuck. Maybe if I remove and place it back a number of times, it might go functioning again, but currently I see no good in that.
Maybe I should ask my money back, but I'll never be able to proof that I didn't do the damage myself.

For now, if you don't mind which color you get, I think you'll be better off with the white version, if you decide to get a PLU ML87.

[dux]

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I too pulled two of blue stems from my POM ML-87 PLU, both in the function row. But then I put them back in and they work. Now I don't even know which of them were out. But i do have fear that this will happen again. Luckily, Round Four of the GH DS group buy will probably ship in a year or two, so I have much unworried time in front of me.

[mmm]

My opinion is that my very old Chicony with blue Cherry switches types better .
But that kb is too wide for me - the mouse would be to far away.
I wonder if any tenkeyless Chicony exists. If I google that, it comes up with the IBM Spacesaver II. But that one has rubber domes.

[mmm]

Do those type/feel approx. the same at Cherry switches?

[mmm]

Does anyone know what the blank key to the right of backspace do? (On that Siig.)

[Mech0z]

Anyone know how this compares to the Noppoo chuck brown? I make a lot of misclicks due to the line of keys on the right (Up arrow key going up and making the shift key smaller). Also is it easy to hit the mediakeys on this keyboard without looking? (Its very easy on the noopoo)

[mmm]

Also is it easy to hit the mediakeys on this keyboard without looking?

I don't know... I never use the media keys.

It looks like there are now pink ML-87's too:
http://love.taobao.com/guang/item.htm?did=14239519098&spm=1001.1.0.0&s_order=2&s_key=sr3_76_0_ml-87_0_2__0_false_0&s_index=0&s_title=ml-87
Anyone knows if the pink version has easy removable keycaps like the white keyboard, or hard to remove keycaps (some stems will come out too, which in my case damaged 1 of the 5) like the black keyboard?

[mmmmm]

Ripster did something bad? As he is removed from the forum?

Bump: anyone know more about the removability of the pink caps?

[mmmmm]

"With the white version and with other older keyboards I never had problems using a screw driver - I did that many times."

I don't know if the plucks are still available, but with the white it also happened that the stem comes out. The caps are just way too firmly attached. Nevertheless, if you buy a pluck ML-87, I'd recommend the white one: the black has faster the problem that the keys aren't well readable anymore. The letters wear out faster on the black keyboard, or the contrast gives sooner reading problems. Only the Caps Lock, Scroll Lock, Pause, Insert, F5, F7, F7, F8, F9, F10, F11, F12 keys are still white; all others are worn off and harder to read now.

I would rate the Plu ML-87 over the Rapoo v500 and the KKmoon Z-77 'rainbow light mechanical keyboard', for example.
The Plu just isn't the ideal keyboard to swap caps.

Tag: pluckml87

[Data]

Weird necro.  Thread is from 2010...

[romevi]

Tag: youreit.