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Offline mmm

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« Reply #100 on: Fri, 08 July 2011, 20:05:02 »
A quick look inside. There is one screw under the small round fabrication month sticker. Then I used some old Sony sticks to keep the little clamps from falling back into place. Then I put the knife at the side to dislodge another clamp and i think i did the other side too before I could pull things apart.
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Offline mmm

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« Reply #101 on: Wed, 13 July 2011, 16:35:42 »
Quote from: wompwomp;372705
Quick question guys, I'm thinking about buying this keyboard off of qtwan and was wondering is this board is "Gmaing optimized" 2KRO or just straight 2KRO.

Results for the 'gaming optimized' question: using Keyboard Ghosting Demonstration:
USB with 1.5m. USB extension cable:
QWA: they do NOT work all together. Like with many other three key combo's, only the first two keys pressed are registered.
If I hold down Q+W+A in notepad, it says 'qwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww...' etc.
Logically, QWA+Shift: they do NOT work all together either.

QWD: they DO work all together. That is, they all light up blue together at the virtual keyboard.
WDR: they DO work all together.
WAR: they DO work all together.
WASD: they DO work all together.
When holding down combo's in notepad, only the last key pressed will be registered. Like if you do Q+W+D, they all light up together at the virtual keyboard at the link, but only the D keeps getting registered. So 'qwdddddddddddddd...' shows up in notepad, not 'qwdqwdqwdqwd....'. I think this is normal keyboard behaviour?

QWD+Shift: they DO work all together.
WDR+Shift: they DO work all together.
WAR+Shift: they DO work all together.
WASD+Shift: they DO work all together.
When holding down those combo's in notepad and Shift is the last key pressed, no further input comes up. So in notepad after w+a+r+Shift results in: 'wwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrr [then nothing]'. Not 'wwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....'.
If start with Shift, like Shift+w+a+r, I get 'WWWWWAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.....'.
« Last Edit: Wed, 13 July 2011, 17:04:51 by mmm »
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« Reply #102 on: Wed, 13 July 2011, 16:37:57 »
I've found my PLU to be perfectly acceptable for FPS gaming. Couldn't comment on RTS or SC2, as I don't play.
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Offline digitalleftovers

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« Reply #103 on: Wed, 13 July 2011, 16:40:27 »
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A quick look inside. There is one screw under the small round fabrication month sticker. Then I used some old Sony sticks to keep the little clamps from falling back into place. Then I put the knife at the side to dislodge another clamp and i think i did the other side too before I could pull things apart.
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Offline wompwomp

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« Reply #104 on: Fri, 15 July 2011, 05:16:55 »
Question, are the blank keycap version of this keyboard completely blank or are they like the filco ninja with the printing below the keycap? I can't seem to find any pictures.
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Offline foliolio

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« Reply #105 on: Fri, 15 July 2011, 05:59:44 »
They are totally blank (无刻).
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Offline mmm

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« Reply #106 on: Fri, 15 July 2011, 19:50:34 »
BE AWARE taking keycaps off with the black keyboard versions. I killed a blue switch in the process. Although be it that I did NOT use a keycap puller (as I don't have one (yet)), with my black keyboard version the keys are MUCH tighter attached to the blue plastics: the blue plastics come out too when trying to remove a keycap. So the cross underneath the blue keys is much tighter.
And when putting those blue plastics in again, they tend to break. I removed six black keycaps, and one of the blue plastics broke when I tried to put it in the keyboard again. There is MUCH force needed to get the blue plastics back into the keyboard again. (So much force that I fear for the switch socket or the keyboard itself, not just the blue plastics.) So with the black keyboard versions, do not try to remove a keycap without a good keycap puller. (EDIT: not sure even that would help. See posts below.) So, using a flat piece of metal (like a screw driver) is not recommended at all with the black keyboards. With the white version and with other older keyboards I never had problems using a screw driver - I did that many times. Sometimes one side of the blue plastics comes up a little bit out of its socket using a screw driver to remove the cap, but the blue plastic never came out completely as with my black PLU.
Since I never use the special PLU-key, I put the broken blue switch under that keycap. They key still functions, but the clicky thing is broken.

So, i'm going to google for two things now: where to get some extra of those blue plastics (as they are hard to remove from an old keyboard or a complete switch, I think), and where to get an el cheapo cap puller :).
« Last Edit: Sat, 16 July 2011, 00:34:39 by mmm »
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Offline alaricljs

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« Reply #107 on: Fri, 15 July 2011, 19:59:15 »
The stem swapping wiki (check the bottom of this wiki) will enlighten you on cracking a switch to put the stem back in, but that would require de-soldering the switch so that it can be removed from the plate.  And they only sell complete switches.     Mouser for $.83 plus shipping.
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Offline mmm

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« Reply #108 on: Fri, 15 July 2011, 21:13:38 »
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Mouser for $.83 plus shipping.

MERCHANDISE TOTAL: € 0,70
Delivery Charge: € 20,00
Order Total: € 20,70
:ohwell:
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Offline alaricljs

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« Reply #109 on: Fri, 15 July 2011, 21:30:10 »
Umm, change your country?  That should drop the delivery a bit, they do have EU locations.
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Offline mmm

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« Reply #110 on: Fri, 15 July 2011, 23:26:06 »
My country is selected automatically (although I disabled geolocation in the browser... So how does the site know where i'm from??).
I'm not gonna order - way too expensive (shipping). I don't use the PLU function key anyway. I can screw up three more stems, as I don't use the no_windows_key_key either. :smile:
I have a crude keycap remover now, but it makes scratches on the keys. (Could find only one paper clip in my house. :tongue:)
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Offline mmm

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« Reply #111 on: Sat, 16 July 2011, 00:23:52 »
I didn't use my black keyboard yet.
So I just now discovered the a-key doesn't work good, out of the box!! No click. I used my crude keycap puller to remove it. I lifted it straight up. But still, the stem got out too. The key caps are just way too much attached to the stems. The fit is way too tight. This is not good - at least not if you wanna exchange keys (without opening the whole keyboard first or maybe you can remove the whole switch without opening the keyboard, I don't know).

So, now the stem from the a-key is broken too. I think it got damaged while lifting the keycap. Maybe it was already a bit halfway broken, I don't know. Maybe they are clones and not original quality?
The cause of the not properly functioning a-key is probably the spring under it: it is crooked. I don't think this happened while I removed the keycap. I now put the broken stem and the crooked spring under the no_windows_key_key. Although I never use that key anyway, now I CAN'T use it anymore at all - it's stuck. Maybe if I remove and place it back a number of times, it might go functioning again, but currently I see no good in that.
Maybe I should ask my money back, but I'll never be able to proof that I didn't do the damage myself.

For now, if you don't mind which color you get, I think you'll be better off with the white version, if you decide to get a PLU ML87.

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Offline dux

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« Reply #112 on: Tue, 19 July 2011, 05:42:52 »
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I too pulled two of blue stems from my POM ML-87 PLU, both in the function row. But then I put them back in and they work. Now I don't even know which of them were out. But i do have fear that this will happen again. Luckily, Round Four of the GH DS group buy will probably ship in a year or two, so I have much unworried time in front of me.
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Offline mmm

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« Reply #113 on: Fri, 02 December 2011, 19:53:16 »
My opinion is that my very old Chicony with blue Cherry switches types better :).
But that kb is too wide for me - the mouse would be to far away.
I wonder if any tenkeyless Chicony exists. If I google that, it comes up with the IBM Spacesaver II. But that one has rubber domes.
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Offline mmm

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« Reply #114 on: Mon, 05 December 2011, 18:14:26 »
Do those type/feel approx. the same at Cherry switches?
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Offline mmm

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« Reply #115 on: Tue, 06 December 2011, 15:29:10 »
Does anyone know what the blank key to the right of backspace do? (On that Siig.)
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Offline Mech0z

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« Reply #116 on: Sat, 18 February 2012, 09:05:36 »
Anyone know how this compares to the Noppoo chuck brown? I make a lot of misclicks due to the line of keys on the right (Up arrow key going up and making the shift key smaller). Also is it easy to hit the mediakeys on this keyboard without looking? (Its very easy on the noopoo)
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Offline mmm

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« Reply #117 on: Wed, 23 May 2012, 23:35:27 »
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Also is it easy to hit the mediakeys on this keyboard without looking?
I don't know... I never use the media keys.

It looks like there are now pink ML-87's too:
http://love.taobao.com/guang/item.htm?did=14239519098&spm=1001.1.0.0&s_order=2&s_key=sr3_76_0_ml-87_0_2__0_false_0&s_index=0&s_title=ml-87
Anyone knows if the pink version has easy removable keycaps like the white keyboard, or hard to remove keycaps (some stems will come out too, which in my case damaged 1 of the 5) like the black keyboard?
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Offline mmmmm

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Re: PLU ML-87 with POM keycaps
« Reply #118 on: Thu, 01 November 2012, 10:38:17 »
Ripster did something bad? As he is removed from the forum?

Bump: anyone know more about the removability of the pink caps?
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Offline mmmmm

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« Reply #119 on: Mon, 04 July 2016, 08:39:07 »
"With the white version and with other older keyboards I never had problems using a screw driver - I did that many times."

I don't know if the plucks are still available, but with the white it also happened that the stem comes out. The caps are just way too firmly attached. Nevertheless, if you buy a pluck ML-87, I'd recommend the white one: the black has faster the problem that the keys aren't well readable anymore. The letters wear out faster on the black keyboard, or the contrast gives sooner reading problems. Only the Caps Lock, Scroll Lock, Pause, Insert, F5, F7, F7, F8, F9, F10, F11, F12 keys are still white; all others are worn off and harder to read now.

I would rate the Plu ML-87 over the Rapoo v500 and the KKmoon Z-77 'rainbow light mechanical keyboard', for example.
The Plu just isn't the ideal keyboard to swap caps.

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« Reply #120 on: Mon, 04 July 2016, 11:40:42 »
Weird necro.  Thread is from 2010...
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« Reply #121 on: Mon, 04 July 2016, 11:48:11 »
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