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Re: Marijuana, It's probably Fine..
« Reply #50 on: Tue, 14 July 2020, 13:42:33 »
It never caused me not to dream, actually ramped up the dreams I had.  For me I'd rather smoke than have to take alot of the crap I do for pain.  From my experience it has aided in my focus much like most ADD/ADHD meds do, but again different strains have different effects on people.  It's not all the same universal outcome for every person that uses.  Only reason why I don't smoke/partake now is due to work testing for it, but I can be hopped up on my painkillers and it's ok to them (I passed my drug screenings with prescribed high dosage opiates in my system - have spinal damage thanks to a car accident I had at 21). 

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« Reply #51 on: Mon, 19 October 2020, 18:38:02 »
What about CBD?
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« Reply #52 on: Mon, 19 October 2020, 19:19:22 »
What about CBD?

The british beat up china in the opium war. Lesser known but the forbes family of chicago was the opium king of america and also heavily involved.   Now, flip side, there is a huge foreign (mainly russian and golden-triangle) investment influx into american marijuana.

Sigh..  in the end this is good for no one.  but it's worse for america, because the average productivity of a pot-head is extremely low.  Those high functioning elite pot-heads are the exception. Statistically the vast majority of early life marijuana users turn into dropouts and riff-raffs.

Economically it's honestly better we have more cigarette addicts than potheads.

If anyone doesn't see the historical parallel, best of luck.

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« Reply #53 on: Mon, 19 October 2020, 19:33:43 »
do you really believe that old rhetoric or are you just playing devil's advocate?

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« Reply #54 on: Mon, 19 October 2020, 20:14:49 »

Statistically the vast majority of early life marijuana users turn into dropouts


I would certainly argue with the word "vast" but this is one of the rare occasions that I agree with TP4.

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« Reply #55 on: Mon, 19 October 2020, 21:17:15 »
do you really believe that old rhetoric or are you just playing devil's advocate?

I think many people get hung up on the argument as if people who choose certain lifestyles are bad people.

That is not the heart of the issue.  In the list of probable outcomes,  certain choices strengthen less favorable life prospects.

They are not bad people, they are victims.   In most cases one could say the option to ingest mind altering chemicals should not exist for anyone, especially youth.


Certain age groups tend to comingle.   If we look at the majority of popular proponents for legalization, it's mainly young people 20 somethings and 30 somethings.   These people are at high exposure with even younger counterparts.   This will naturally expose substances down the social hierarchy.

This worked for the proliferation of cigarettes why not pot.    This process has been demonstrated and we've gone through it already.  It will not provide economic benefit in the long run, and will only widen the wealth gap as the poor disproportionately short-sight their pleasure over long term investments.

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« Reply #56 on: Tue, 20 October 2020, 05:42:26 »
Makes sense TP4 am pot head :p .

Never really saw the point of it tbh, it's legal here, so about as interesting as vitamin C, except more smelly :p .
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« Reply #57 on: Tue, 20 October 2020, 11:48:39 »
What about CBD?

The british beat up china in the opium war. Lesser known but the forbes family of chicago was the opium king of america and also heavily involved.   Now, flip side, there is a huge foreign (mainly russian and golden-triangle) investment influx into american marijuana.

Sigh..  in the end this is good for no one.  but it's worse for america, because the average productivity of a pot-head is extremely low.  Those high functioning elite pot-heads are the exception. Statistically the vast majority of early life marijuana users turn into dropouts and riff-raffs.

Economically it's honestly better we have more cigarette addicts than potheads.

If anyone doesn't see the historical parallel, best of luck.


hmm...weed isn't that addictive, but the lifestyle and usage can eventually become addictive, and weed addiction is definitely real and i'd say it's pretty bad. most people can catch themselves before they make it too far down the rabbit hole. but if it gets to the point where their productivity is markedly affected, i feel like that person would've been unproductive regardless of the pastime, whether it's weed, drinking, gaming etc. what i'm saying is that people who aren't very productive are not going to be very productive regardless of what they're wasting their time on. the statistic you're talking about doesn't imply causation, it's pretty flawed because you're probably somewhat of a delinquent if you have access to marijuana in early life. just like your thread title, it's probably fine...

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« Reply #58 on: Tue, 20 October 2020, 13:47:59 »
Honestly the exact same can be said about underage kids who smoke cigarettes. They were, in my experience, almost always trouble makers or slackers.
So it's not the cannabis per se I don't believe.

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« Reply #59 on: Tue, 20 October 2020, 18:21:57 »
Honestly the exact same can be said about underage kids who smoke cigarettes. They were, in my experience, almost always trouble makers or slackers.
So it's not the cannabis per se I don't believe.

They're both not good.   neuro development does not complete until ~ age 25.

Imagine installing windows, and the the CPU is hit by enough system interrupts such that it copies the wrong code to disk.

SOME systems might come out ok if the damage is fringe code,  but others can end up inoperable.


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« Reply #60 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 03:45:37 »
During OS-Installation, Tp4 always underclocks the CPU and makes sure the minimum amount of components are connected as well as disabling non-essential motherboard functions . [/size][/color]
It is actually a pretty bad idea, overall, at installation is the best time to install drivers, if the hardware is not present it will not be detected, and under-clocking the CPU would do nothing at best or exacerbate the interrupt problem if it still existed, if your CPU is unstable at stock clock well it is time for a refund.
and the comparison does not quite hold, as computer do not continue growing once they are built, unlike animals (like us), i guess the closest thing would be to throw a bunch of metal dust in it, it may do nothing, may make it rather unstable or may outright die, but that would be at any point in the life of the machine, the CPU does not rewire itself as brains do.
so you can safely let your computer smoke pot, just do not do it yourself.
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« Reply #61 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 04:28:31 »
Congrats to peeps in Arizona, New Jersey, Montana, and South Dakota on legalization!

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« Reply #62 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 05:36:29 »
Congrats to peeps in Arizona, New Jersey, Montana, and South Dakota on legalization!

Just to be clear to all the young people, the Primary benefit is DECRIMINALIZATION.

There are far too many black folks imprisoned by white supremacist fascists for marijuana possession.

If in the future, the result is more people Smoking Marijuana. That is Likely NOT a net positive.


It's like overturning the prohibition,  You legalize alcohol / cigarettes,  doesn't mean alcohol and cigarettes are suddenly healthy/good.

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« Reply #63 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 06:08:03 »
Congrats to peeps in Arizona, New Jersey, Montana, and South Dakota on legalization!

Just to be clear to all the young people, the Primary benefit is DECRIMINALIZATION.

There are far too many black folks imprisoned by white supremacist fascists for marijuana possession.

If in the future, the result is more people Smoking Marijuana. That is Likely NOT a net positive.


It's like overturning the prohibition,  You legalize alcohol / cigarettes,  doesn't mean alcohol and cigarettes are suddenly healthy/good.


The positive is tons and tons of money for local government, producers, and private business owners. Moot shots everywhere, many new jobs in both the retail and scientific sectors. Nothing but great for local economies.

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« Reply #64 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 06:45:57 »
The positive is tons and tons of money for local government, producers, and private business owners. Moot shots everywhere, many new jobs in both the retail and scientific sectors. Nothing but great for local economies.

That is extremely unlikely.  The cost of production is extremely low. You throw some mechanization in there, robotic trimmers. they can go 24/7, you won't even have to hire trimmers. The job market will not receive a boost from marijuana in the long term.

In terms of tax dollars, You might get a boost in the short term, but the health and mental decline associated with increased marijuana use is more likely to tank the economy, reduce overall tax collected.

It's what happens in big casino towns, they're dreadful places to live in, and gangsters eventually dominate local politics and hurt the community.

ALL the local money is picked up by the Casino, given time they funnel that overseas instead of paying the local government.  Minus the bribery of a few local officials, the area is economically broken, crime laden, and impoverished.


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« Reply #65 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 10:00:54 »
Congrats to peeps in Arizona, New Jersey, Montana, and South Dakota on legalization!

Just to be clear to all the young people, the Primary benefit is DECRIMINALIZATION.

There are far too many black folks imprisoned by white supremacist fascists for marijuana possession.

If in the future, the result is more people Smoking Marijuana. That is Likely NOT a net positive.


It's like overturning the prohibition,  You legalize alcohol / cigarettes,  doesn't mean alcohol and cigarettes are suddenly healthy/good.

well to be honest i had 2 friends who started smoking marijuana only because it is illegal, and doing illegal things is cool, so maybe it could even lower usage...
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« Reply #66 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 10:04:22 »
well to be honest i had 2 friends who started smoking marijuana only because it is illegal, and doing illegal things is cool, so maybe it could even lower usage...


It's a multi-prong problem.   We need better public education. Real drug education, not scare tactics.

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« Reply #67 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 11:24:12 »
I don't smoke weed, I am not some ****ing degenerate...... I only smoke Dmt and drop Lsd on the reg like every other massively successful person. :thumb: 
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« Reply #68 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 12:03:55 »
Oregon is just a ticket for smoking crack now? tp4 moving.
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« Reply #69 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 12:47:14 »
Oregon is just a ticket for smoking crack now? tp4 moving.

Nah, it's a short stones throw to selling crack, and that's still illegal.  And that's really the only area Tp would be interested in.

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« Reply #70 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 13:26:08 »
I think Oregon just legalized small amounts of heroin and coke... also, maybe mushrooms some place legalized mushrooms I just don't know where.

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« Reply #71 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 14:54:17 »
I think Oregon just legalized small amounts of heroin and coke... also, maybe mushrooms some place legalized mushrooms I just don't know where.


They legalized it in that you get a fine instead of a felony for possession of small quantities. It is still illegal to manufacture and distribute.

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« Reply #72 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 15:11:00 »
Oregon is just a ticket for smoking crack now? tp4 moving.

Oregon is just Florida for crazy people who don't like hot weather

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« Reply #73 on: Thu, 19 November 2020, 15:01:22 »
They were gonna legalize it in NY but they wimped out at the last second. Now I have to go to New Jersey to get boofed and yeeted.  :-[

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« Reply #74 on: Mon, 23 November 2020, 09:34:24 »
A big part of me misses living in MA for the reason of legalization - also being able to go to a beach every day after work to relax and walk my doggos, GA is backwards on this aspect - but they are very slowly coming around (more of it is the guard is slowly changing). 

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« Reply #75 on: Thu, 11 March 2021, 18:51:44 »

I wish I lived in a state where weed is legalized


Huh? Profile says that you live in Vancouver.

Although I enjoyed it a lot for many years, many years ago, at this late date in my lifetime it induces more anxiety than euphoria. I miss what I once enjoyed, and assume that it will never be the same again. Funny how that happens, since today's high is an order of magnitude more intense than it was in the 1970s (and 1980s).


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« Reply #76 on: Thu, 11 March 2021, 19:34:57 »

I wish I lived in a state where weed is legalized


Huh? Profile says that you live in Vancouver.

Although I enjoyed it a lot for many years, many years ago, at this late date in my lifetime it induces more anxiety than euphoria. I miss what I once enjoyed, and assume that it will never be the same again. Funny how that happens, since today's high is an order of magnitude more intense than it was in the 1970s (and 1980s).
You can still find mids if you go looking. Low-THC carts are great if you want to take it slow.

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« Reply #77 on: Thu, 11 March 2021, 19:54:20 »

I wish I lived in a state where weed is legalized


Huh? Profile says that you live in Vancouver.

Although I enjoyed it a lot for many years, many years ago, at this late date in my lifetime it induces more anxiety than euphoria. I miss what I once enjoyed, and assume that it will never be the same again. Funny how that happens, since today's high is an order of magnitude more intense than it was in the 1970s (and 1980s).




I've occasionally smoked with my dad who is an ex-hippie. You got to be super careful with these people who haven't smoked in decades because not only is their tolerance non-existent, but stuff is VASTLY more potent these days. The absolute best **** you could score in the '70s is almost like the stuff they throw away today. Feed an old head modern top shelf and that is the end of their day, don't expect them to move or be functional at all. When my dad first smoked something modern it hit him so hard he couldn't move and was convinced I'd poisoned him somehow. Last time he handled it much better with his wife there we went for a hike then they took a nap in the sun, it was nice. On their own they experimented recently with edibles before long plane rides and seem to enjoy that form of intake very much.

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« Reply #78 on: Thu, 11 March 2021, 20:18:17 »

we went for a hike

experimented recently with edibles


Twice in the last year I did it on a hike in the mountains, and that was about the best way to go. Those were the only times I have done it at all in the last 10-15 years.

Even back in the day I often prepared "edibles" for concerts and such, even before it was "a thing" .... That was the only way to realistically control it and stretch it out.

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« Reply #79 on: Thu, 11 March 2021, 20:37:06 »

we went for a hike

experimented recently with edibles


Twice in the last year I did it on a hike in the mountains, and that was about the best way to go. Those were the only times I have done it at all in the last 10-15 years.

Even back in the day I often prepared "edibles" for concerts and such, even before it was "a thing" .... That was the only way to realistically control it and stretch it out.



I say go for it! Order in some food, cozy up with the missus. Could make for a fun weekend.

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« Reply #80 on: Fri, 12 March 2021, 04:09:09 »
I only hope that now when UK left EU, they could legalise it here.
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« Reply #81 on: Sun, 14 March 2021, 01:57:24 »
Some people are more addicted to money, careers and being "successful", whatever that means, than just about any substance out there. To say that drugs of any kind are an indication of a lower quality of life is to assume that (1) people should conform to a certain standard of life and (2) that exposure to substances results in a different lifestyle and not the other way around and (3) that there isn't a demonstrable sample of the upper class that misuse drugs on a VERY similar scale, just different mediums. Western culture is so devoid of any kind of macroscopic thinking or spiritual discovery that you have people who have no idea how to achieve these alternative perspectives and misuse the tools; Drugs. And on the other side of the same coin, you have people who think that the very act of trying to develop a different perspective with the help of substances is some kind of death sentence in an absolutely absurd and trivial game of "who can have the best life". Graphs, charts, and data isn't going to help the West figure out how to properly manage tools for alternative perspectives without hurting themselves or, at the very least, starting just another vicious cycle of confusion in their attempt to escape society or culture. What we need is a better foundation for how we view the games we play in society so that people no longer feel held captive by it. The very notion of needing to have a career or life unhindered by drug use is the very catalyst of drug use. This is like telling people that the more money you have the better and then being surprised when greed overthrows virtue.

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« Reply #83 on: Mon, 15 March 2021, 02:38:38 »


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« Reply #85 on: Mon, 15 March 2021, 09:47:18 »
I only hope that now when UK left EU, they could legalise it here.

Well, I hope that now the UK is gone, they will finally legalize in here in the EU ;)

But I'm afraid neither UK nor EU will legalize it until it is fully legal on a federal level in the US. None of our spineless politicians would want to risk their careers going against Uncle Sam.

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« Reply #86 on: Mon, 15 March 2021, 20:53:59 »

until it is fully legal on a federal level in the US.


Big Tobacco and Big Pharma are irritated that little guys are doing end runs, and until they figure out how to collect their tribute they will continue to command their Republican minions in Congress (and the courts) to derail every effort at legalization.
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« Reply #87 on: Tue, 06 April 2021, 05:28:30 »
i do think that either all mind altering drugs should be banned or regulated or legalized, no exception for alcohol and tobacco, the current state of it pretty much everywhere in the world is just ridiculous. (to be honest i do not smoke or drink or partake in any drugs, but i would not mind seeing them legalized, although somewhat regulated)
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« Reply #88 on: Tue, 06 April 2021, 13:02:53 »
I'd like to see hallucinogens legalized down the road. It would impact basically nothing negatively, no one does LSD on a daily biases.

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« Reply #89 on: Wed, 07 April 2021, 07:47:01 »
I'd like to see hallucinogens legalized down the road. It would impact basically nothing negatively, no one does LSD on a daily biases.
No sane person does, lol.

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« Reply #90 on: Wed, 07 April 2021, 16:06:00 »
Definitely ecstacy, it probably shouldn't have been banned to begin with.

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« Reply #91 on: Wed, 07 April 2021, 16:18:00 »
Definitely ecstacy, it probably shouldn't have been banned to begin with.

I thought it has a high probability of causing death/ heart attack.

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« Reply #92 on: Wed, 07 April 2021, 21:59:13 »
Definitely ecstacy, it probably shouldn't have been banned to begin with.

I thought it has a high probability of causing death/ heart attack.

It permanently affects your serotonin level, long-term users become permanently depressed due to their glands no longer working from previous overproduction. Not something you wanna mess with.

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« Reply #93 on: Thu, 08 April 2021, 02:53:09 »
Definitely ecstacy, it probably shouldn't have been banned to begin with.

I thought it has a high probability of causing death/ heart attack.

It permanently affects your serotonin level, long-term users become permanently depressed due to their glands no longer working from previous overproduction. Not something you wanna mess with.
hey pretty much like all anti depressant, isn't it? causes death, highly addictive and cause depression when you stop taking it
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Re: Marijuana, It's probably Fine..
« Reply #94 on: Thu, 08 April 2021, 08:00:03 »
Definitely ecstacy, it probably shouldn't have been banned to begin with.

I thought it has a high probability of causing death/ heart attack.

It permanently affects your serotonin level, long-term users become permanently depressed due to their glands no longer working from previous overproduction. Not something you wanna mess with.
hey pretty much like all anti depressant, isn't it? causes death, highly addictive and cause depression when you stop taking it


Yup.. Eat veggies, they is natural antidepressant.

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Re: Marijuana, It's probably Fine..
« Reply #95 on: Thu, 08 April 2021, 09:23:21 »
well even though veggies and fruits account for about 90% of my daily food intake (when my food intake is more than 1 apple), still ain't working mate...
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Re: Marijuana, It's probably Fine..
« Reply #96 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 08:53:32 »
Definitely ecstacy, it probably shouldn't have been banned to begin with.

I thought it has a high probability of causing death/ heart attack.

It permanently affects your serotonin level, long-term users become permanently depressed due to their glands no longer working from previous overproduction. Not something you wanna mess with.
hey pretty much like all anti depressant, isn't it? causes death, highly addictive and cause depression when you stop taking it


Yup.. Eat veggies, they is natural antidepressant.

People liking vegetables is the most depressing thing in the universe. How can you guys stand eating all that grass and ****?
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Re: Marijuana, It's probably Fine..
« Reply #97 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 08:58:40 »

How can you guys stand eating all that grass and ****?


I am reminded of a quote from a modern-day "cowboy" attending a conference on food production. He was leaving a symposium on vegetables and a reporter was getting comments at the door.

"Vegetables ain't food, vegetables is what food eats."
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Re: Marijuana, It's probably Fine..
« Reply #98 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 09:20:30 »
how to completely derail a thread, put TP on vegetables :)
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Re: Marijuana, It's probably Fine..
« Reply #99 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 09:22:09 »
how to completely derail a thread, put TP on vegetables :)

We all knew it would happen eventually, lol.

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