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Title: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: inlikeflynn on Wed, 03 July 2013, 14:00:57: A long time ago SmallFry and I were talking about the Mystery keys 1 & 2 and how it was a cool thing to-do. But what seemed to be missing was a real purpose or reason for the keys to exist and go through all the work and expense of the project. To me the whole practical joke reasoning wore thin when a 2nd key came about. It just seemed like a way to inflate the senders ego and nothing else. Any reason or purpose could have been better than that, like a promotion or coupon or something for a new keyboard store or anything else really. We thought it would be cool to make a mystery key 3 with a real purpose & reason, we just didn't know what that was at the time.

A couple months later GH had become a real mess and the community seemed to be breaking apart at the seams from all the trolling, arguments, & fighting that occupied just about every thread. People were leaving & others were thinking or planning oo leaving (myself). I can still remember the night I intended to leave GH for good and had told a few people on IRC before hand. Seeing as i'm still here typing this, someone talked me out of it. To no ones surprise that person was SmallFry. We talked for a very long time that night and unknown to both of us at the time, it had given us the reason and purpose for mystery key 3 to exist.

Paying the upfront costs of the project was still a roadblock though. But then the Bittcoin bubble happened this spring and the upfront funding problem was solved

And with that the M3 project as we called it began.
-The design was finalized and the keys were ordered which are 1.5x sized modifer keys from SP:
(http://i.imgur.com/DS5JJOG.png]http://i.imgur.com/DS5JJOG.png)
-We collected all the addresses we could find.
-I got the mailers and return labels ordered.
-A few select people that we had relationships with were asked to be "re-shippers" and told nothing about the project other than it was mystery key 3. The "re-shippers" job was to re-ship large numbers of these keys to the addresses given to them and pay for this shipping themselves. My thinking was that there would be more control over the process this way and it wouldn't get stuck with the note in a package please take 1 and ship the rest process like the other mystery keys
-The keys arrived and a few test packages were sent out and I had my 1st "re-shipper" (thanks OddOne!) send out a larger quantity. About 1/3rd of which never arrived or people didn't post that they did
-Then I got way way to busy at work and the project stalled waiting for me to send out keys and addresses to the re-shippers

Life is strange though, because the ONLY other person who knew what the reason and purpose of the M3 keys was SmallFry himself. After his very unfortunate passing away, I've been thinking a lot about what to-do with these caps. The original purpose & reason is even more true after the loss of SmallFry, so continuing on as a mystery key didn't seem like the best thing to-do and is why I canceled the M3 project[size=78%]. [/size]

I suppose I should finally tell you what the original purpose & reason of M3 was. It was to remind the GH community that we aren't just nameless people online, but people with whom we can grow Friendships together as we share our common interests. And then eventually even start to feel like a GH Family. So the key is 2 F's with weird angles and one of them flipped to give the key a little bit of mystery.

We have all seen that GH is made up of Friends and even people we'd call Family as SmallFry's passing has shown us.

So I think its appropriate that these will now be known as the SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key

Some of these keys will end up one something made from GH and given to Nates family at some point in the future. The rest will be sold with the money donated in someway that is still be discussed behind the scenes. When they are sold they will be made available to anyone from GH on a 1st come basis

thoughts/concerns/ideas/comments?
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: inlikeflynn on Wed, 03 July 2013, 14:01:11: -----reserved-----
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: BunnyLake on Wed, 03 July 2013, 14:06:30: a really nice sentiment and idea along with a touching backstory
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 03 July 2013, 14:12:50: I was about to send you my revisions and thought man! That's ok though, I'm glad we got the explanation and I like the ideas we have to honor Nate's memory.
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 03 July 2013, 14:13:32: I think this is great and hope it helps build more of a community and that we will carry on with the memory of SmallFry and always be ready to help each other out and learn from one another.
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 03 July 2013, 14:13:42: <3
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: mkawa on Wed, 03 July 2013, 14:16:13: i just took a big breath right there because that's all i felt i could do. i know we can come up with something awesome to do with these.
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: ImperfectLink on Wed, 03 July 2013, 14:59:14: Would be nice if this could be a group buy with profits going toward doing something for his family.
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 03 July 2013, 15:01:28: The caps are already made so there is no need for a GB.
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: ImperfectLink on Wed, 03 July 2013, 15:07:17: Quote from: CPTBadAss on Wed, 03 July 2013, 15:01:28
The caps are already made so there is no need for a GB.

Sorry I got the impression that there weren't that many.
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: mashby on Wed, 03 July 2013, 15:08:25: wow.
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: inlikeflynn on Wed, 03 July 2013, 15:13:44: Quote from: ImperfectLink on Wed, 03 July 2013, 15:07:17
Quote from: CPTBadAss on Wed, 03 July 2013, 15:01:28
The caps are already made so there is no need for a GB.

Sorry I got the impression that there weren't that many.

correct they are already made and have been for a while now for their original M3 idea.
There are plenty of them too (this isn't all of them):
(http://i.imgur.com/sm0m6Za.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/sm0m6Za.jpg)
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: MrexD on Wed, 03 July 2013, 15:20:12: So are these to be purchased?
Or will they only be available/distributed to those that really knew the guy?

I'd love to purchase one in memory of him. The impact he's made on this forum and his loss is incredible. Really wish I knew the guy
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: Lu_e on Wed, 03 July 2013, 15:21:25: Are these tab keys? or \| keys?

Really nice gesture, and purpose.
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: ImperfectLink on Wed, 03 July 2013, 15:22:54: Choose a goal amount to be made, then divide that by the number of keys you have.
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 03 July 2013, 15:28:42: Quote from: MrexD on Wed, 03 July 2013, 15:20:12
So are these to be purchased?

Or will they only be available/distributed to those that really knew the guy?

"Some of these keys will end up one something made from GH and given to Nates family at some point in the future. The rest will be sold with the money donated in someway that is still be discussed behind the scenes."

No, they'll be for sale to the community according to flynn.
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 03 July 2013, 15:33:17: Quote from: Lu_e on Wed, 03 July 2013, 15:21:25
Are these tab keys? or \| keys?

They are bottom row 1.5-unit keys.
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: JPG on Wed, 03 July 2013, 15:36:39: I didn't know SmallFry personally, but the guy was all over Geekhack.

Reading this only confirms how implicated he was and how GH was important to him.

In the same way, it means that many people here, and the community in itself, was very important to him.

From what I understand, this key was only the symbol to remind us that GH is such a fun place because of the people making it a fun place.

The best we can do is make sure it stays like that!
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: inlikeflynn on Wed, 03 July 2013, 15:37:59: edited 1st post with clarifications about key size (1.5x mod), manufacture (SP), & availability(anyone on GH, 1st come basis when they appear in the classifieds)
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: smknjoe on Wed, 03 July 2013, 15:44:36: Sounds fitting. I hope you do something noble with the proceeds.
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: shawn o on Wed, 03 July 2013, 16:14:00: Wow, this is the first I've heard of his death. Had no idea how young he was, how very sad.

I see death everyday, young and old. Death never becomes "normal" and you never get used to it. Everyone has a story and their passing is always hard on their families, friends, and even people they may hardly know.

This is no exception...
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: TheQsanity on Wed, 03 July 2013, 16:47:09: :''(
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 03 July 2013, 16:58:01: Quote from: inlikeflynn on Wed, 03 July 2013, 14:00:57
So I think its appropriate that these will now be known as the SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key

+1
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 03 July 2013, 21:54:22: A fitting tribute
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: The_Ed on Thu, 04 July 2013, 05:10:43: If they were originally intended to be given away for free to the members of the community, then shouldn't they?... It feels kinda wrong to charge money for them, even though the money will be going to his family or charity of their choice. People can always donate out of their own generosity, they don't need a special key in return to do something noble. Just my 2 cents on the matter.
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: OddOne on Thu, 04 July 2013, 08:32:44: Just wanted to write here quick I was happy to play a small part in the M3 key project. But now am just as happy to see this turn into tribute for SmallFry and support inlikeflynn with however he decides to share the keys with the community.
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: dorkvader on Fri, 05 July 2013, 03:09:22: This is amazing. I still remember when I got my first key and all the interest it stirred. It felt good to be a part of something, even if I didn't know what it was. I eagerly made a post and then wasted a lot of time trying to help people figure out more about it. Then it sorta-turned kinda lame what will elitism and all.

But to see what was achieved, to be a part of this, that was important.

And now I learn that it was the goal all along! to bring GH closer together. I think dedicating M3 to smallfry is excellent, and I would like to help out in whatever way I can.

Thank you inlikeflynn. You are an inspiration to us all.
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: phetto on Fri, 05 July 2013, 03:46:44: (http://www.fabulouslyfrugirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Pink-Heart.jpg)
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: Mandolin on Fri, 05 July 2013, 03:51:27: It's so sad, I can believe he's dead. I'm in finals week at uni and haven't been really active at IRC or the forum just for this last two week, but I used to connect to the IRC channel everyday and he was always there. We exchanged words once in a while.

My deepest respects to him. He was just a kid.
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: YoungMichael88 on Fri, 05 July 2013, 04:08:02: Nice gesture Flynn. I'll be keeping my eye on the the classifieds.
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: ImperfectLink on Fri, 05 July 2013, 07:10:31: Quote from: The_Ed on Thu, 04 July 2013, 05:10:43
If they were originally intended to be given away for free to the members of the community, then shouldn't they?... It feels kinda wrong to charge money for them, even though the money will be going to his family or charity of their choice. People can always donate out of their own generosity, they don't need a special key in return to do something noble. Just my 2 cents on the matter.

I understand your sentiment, but I see it as a badge of privilege, like the Livestrrong bracelet (maybe not the best example). Perhaps they could be offered with a minimum price but the amount could be open for larger donations. Really you're paying to cover the initial production, shipping and handling sort of like the way non-profits operate.
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: AKIMbO on Fri, 05 July 2013, 08:19:02: Quote from: ImperfectLink on Fri, 05 July 2013, 07:10:31
Quote from: The_Ed on Thu, 04 July 2013, 05:10:43
If they were originally intended to be given away for free to the members of the community, then shouldn't they?... It feels kinda wrong to charge money for them, even though the money will be going to his family or charity of their choice. People can always donate out of their own generosity, they don't need a special key in return to do something noble. Just my 2 cents on the matter.

I understand your sentiment, but I see it as a badge of privilege, like the Livestrrong bracelet (maybe not the best example). Perhaps they could be offered with a minimum price but the amount could be open for larger donations. Really you're paying to cover the initial production, shipping and handling sort of like the way non-profits operate.

I agree....I'd love to make a big donation and I think the Smallfry tribute key is an awesome vehicle to raise some money in Nate's memory for charity, etc.
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: mkawa on Fri, 05 July 2013, 09:58:13: Quote from: phetto on Fri, 05 July 2013, 03:46:44
Show Image
(http://www.fabulouslyfrugirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Pink-Heart.jpg)

i agree with this wholeheartedly

flynn asked me to review this post before he put it up but i knew i'd just break down crying and it would take him longer to post it. let's get this going. for nate.

imo, the money should go to the charity of his family's choice. i believe that's the ronald mcdonald foundation.
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: Binge on Fri, 05 July 2013, 12:20:49: I rock one of these on my keyboard :) I'll take pictures tonight.

Love the key, and I'd totally get a few more.
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: rowdy on Fri, 05 July 2013, 22:57:45: Quote from: mkawa on Fri, 05 July 2013, 09:58:13
Quote from: phetto on Fri, 05 July 2013, 03:46:44
Show Image
(http://www.fabulouslyfrugirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Pink-Heart.jpg)

i agree with this wholeheartedly

flynn asked me to review this post before he put it up but i knew i'd just break down crying and it would take him longer to post it. let's get this going. for nate.

imo, the money should go to the charity of his family's choice. i believe that's the ronald mcdonald foundation.

+1
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: Wildcard on Wed, 31 July 2013, 20:24:13: I just read this and got a few tears. Now that I know what these were about I find it pretty heart warming. Very awesome!
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: Quardah on Thu, 01 August 2013, 08:37:44: Hook me up once you are selling them. I am willing to buy and i don't mind paying for shipping also. This would look totally sick on my Poker II for the Pn key.

I didn't know smallfry much but i'm fairly sure he was pretty badass right?

"And for this unsung hero i shall wield on my [cold steal demon banishing Poker II keyboard of luck + 3 (Brown MX Version)] the [almighty legendary mysterious apocalyptic keycap of million strokes] in memory of his great achievements in the mortal world we are all part of until we die and join his poor soul into the keyboard Valhalla."

(Color for WOW reference)

I'm pretty sure Odin should have a pretty pimped out keyboard by now.
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: mr. rampage on Thu, 01 August 2013, 08:53:19: I'm new here, but this SmallFry sounds like a very top notch guy. I'd definitely be in to get a few of these caps. At the most it's a bit of inspiration on how we can still connect as people online. Thanks for sharing the story.
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: Binge on Thu, 01 August 2013, 09:09:45: Quote from: Binge on Fri, 05 July 2013, 12:20:49
I rock one of these on my keyboard :) I'll take pictures tonight.

Love the key, and I'd totally get a few more.

Well it is a bit late but I actually rock 2...

RIP Small Fry

(http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13574727/20130731_103058-1.jpg)
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: inlikeflynn on Fri, 23 August 2013, 14:21:48: time for a long overdue update!

After the Nathaniel J. Walter Foundation is in place and functioning as a non-profit (read more about it here: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47366.msg1008698#msg1008698 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47366.msg1008698#msg1008698) ) the F&F keys will be going up for auction with 100% of the proceeds going to the foundation. Nate's father Scott is working on getting this setup, but it takes time and we don't have a date yet when it will be complete.

The auction will be for a small number of special F&F limited edition packages each containing:
-4 F&F keys
-4 F&F stickers
-4 authentic Cherry transparent top black MX switches
(http://i.imgur.com/w4JaSR7.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/w4JaSR7.jpg)
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: Quardah on Fri, 23 August 2013, 14:28:30: Show Image
Quote from: inlikeflynn on Fri, 23 August 2013, 14:21:48
time for a long overdue update!

After the Nathaniel J. Walter Foundation is in place and functioning as a non-profit (read more about it here: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47366.msg1008698#msg1008698 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47366.msg1008698#msg1008698) ) the F&F keys will be going up for auction with 100% of the proceeds going to the foundation. Nate's father Scott is working on getting this setup, but it takes time and we don't have a date yet when it will be complete.

The auction will be for a small number of special F&F limited edition packages each containing:
-4 F&F keys
-4 F&F stickers
-4 authentic Cherry transparent top black MX switches
(http://i.imgur.com/w4JaSR7.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/w4JaSR7.jpg)

Will it only be auctions or will there be fixed price?
I'd rather pay fix cause auctions turns me off.
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 23 August 2013, 14:32:12: Quote from: Quardah on Fri, 23 August 2013, 14:28:30
Will it only be auctions or will there be fixed price?
I'd rather pay fix cause auctions turns me off.

You know this is for a charity right? Are you saying you want SmallFry's family to have less money to do what they want?
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: MTManiac on Fri, 23 August 2013, 14:32:45: Quote from: Quardah on Fri, 23 August 2013, 14:28:30
Show Image
Quote from: inlikeflynn on Fri, 23 August 2013, 14:21:48
time for a long overdue update!

After the Nathaniel J. Walter Foundation is in place and functioning as a non-profit (read more about it here: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47366.msg1008698#msg1008698 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47366.msg1008698#msg1008698) ) the F&F keys will be going up for auction with 100% of the proceeds going to the foundation. Nate's father Scott is working on getting this setup, but it takes time and we don't have a date yet when it will be complete.

The auction will be for a small number of special F&F limited edition packages each containing:
-4 F&F keys
-4 F&F stickers
-4 authentic Cherry transparent top black MX switches
(http://i.imgur.com/w4JaSR7.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/w4JaSR7.jpg)

Will it only be auctions or will there be fixed price?
I'd rather pay fix cause auctions turns me off.
probably all auctions, it's the easiest way to get the most money to the charity
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 23 August 2013, 14:33:35: MTManiac gets it
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 23 August 2013, 15:40:04: Quote from: CPTBadAss on Fri, 23 August 2013, 14:32:12
Quote from: Quardah on Fri, 23 August 2013, 14:28:30
Will it only be auctions or will there be fixed price?
I'd rather pay fix cause auctions turns me off.

You know this is for a charity right? Are you saying you want SmallFry's family to have less money to do what they want?

I thought SmallFry didn't like auctions.
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: mashby on Fri, 23 August 2013, 15:41:12: Show Image
Quote from: inlikeflynn on Fri, 23 August 2013, 14:21:48
time for a long overdue update!

After the Nathaniel J. Walter Foundation is in place and functioning as a non-profit (read more about it here: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47366.msg1008698#msg1008698 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47366.msg1008698#msg1008698) ) the F&F keys will be going up for auction with 100% of the proceeds going to the foundation. Nate's father Scott is working on getting this setup, but it takes time and we don't have a date yet when it will be complete.

The auction will be for a small number of special F&F limited edition packages each containing:
-4 F&F keys
-4 F&F stickers
-4 authentic Cherry transparent top black MX switches
(http://i.imgur.com/w4JaSR7.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/w4JaSR7.jpg)

This is a fantastic package you've put together inlikeflynn. These are going to sell out in seconds.
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: Xenderwind on Fri, 23 August 2013, 15:45:17: Quote from: mashby on Fri, 23 August 2013, 15:41:12
Show Image
Quote from: inlikeflynn on Fri, 23 August 2013, 14:21:48
time for a long overdue update!

After the Nathaniel J. Walter Foundation is in place and functioning as a non-profit (read more about it here: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47366.msg1008698#msg1008698 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47366.msg1008698#msg1008698) ) the F&F keys will be going up for auction with 100% of the proceeds going to the foundation. Nate's father Scott is working on getting this setup, but it takes time and we don't have a date yet when it will be complete.

The auction will be for a small number of special F&F limited edition packages each containing:
-4 F&F keys
-4 F&F stickers
-4 authentic Cherry transparent top black MX switches
(http://i.imgur.com/w4JaSR7.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/w4JaSR7.jpg)

This is a fantastic package you've put together inlikeflynn. These are going to sell out in seconds.
Auctions don't work like that XD. I'm kinda interested in these but I'm dreading how high the bids are going to go if there are indeed only a few sets up for auction.
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: mashby on Fri, 23 August 2013, 15:54:42: Quote from: Xenderwind on Fri, 23 August 2013, 15:45:17
Auctions don't work like that XD. I'm kinda interested in these but I'm dreading how high the bids are going to go if there are indeed only a few sets up for auction.

Doh! Totally missed the auction part. Thanks for the correction Xenderwind.

Yeah, these are going to sell for a really high price.
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 23 August 2013, 16:04:13: Show Image
Quote from: inlikeflynn on Fri, 23 August 2013, 14:21:48
time for a long overdue update!

After the Nathaniel J. Walter Foundation is in place and functioning as a non-profit (read more about it here: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47366.msg1008698#msg1008698 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47366.msg1008698#msg1008698) ) the F&F keys will be going up for auction with 100% of the proceeds going to the foundation. Nate's father Scott is working on getting this setup, but it takes time and we don't have a date yet when it will be complete.

The auction will be for a small number of special F&F limited edition packages each containing:
-4 F&F keys
-4 F&F stickers
-4 authentic Cherry transparent top black MX switches
(http://i.imgur.com/w4JaSR7.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/w4JaSR7.jpg)

Will the auction include every remaining F&F key? I thought there were many of them, but this post mentions a limited quantity. I am all for auctions especially with such a great cause, but that will effectively ensure that those of us without large pockets won't be able to acquire such a unique and meaningful key. Or is there something else in mind in addition to the auction? Once again, pro-auction, just curious. :thumb:
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: AKIMbO on Fri, 23 August 2013, 16:29:27: Show Image
Quote from: inlikeflynn on Fri, 23 August 2013, 14:21:48
time for a long overdue update!

After the Nathaniel J. Walter Foundation is in place and functioning as a non-profit (read more about it here: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47366.msg1008698#msg1008698 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47366.msg1008698#msg1008698) ) the F&F keys will be going up for auction with 100% of the proceeds going to the foundation. Nate's father Scott is working on getting this setup, but it takes time and we don't have a date yet when it will be complete.

The auction will be for a small number of special F&F limited edition packages each containing:
-4 F&F keys
-4 F&F stickers
-4 authentic Cherry transparent top black MX switches
(http://i.imgur.com/w4JaSR7.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/w4JaSR7.jpg)

An awesome auction for an awesome cause. I will be sure to throw in a high bid...I miss having Nate on IRC.
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: Quardah on Tue, 27 August 2013, 11:27:13: Quote from: CPTBadAss on Fri, 23 August 2013, 14:32:12
Quote from: Quardah on Fri, 23 August 2013, 14:28:30
Will it only be auctions or will there be fixed price?
I'd rather pay fix cause auctions turns me off.

You know this is for a charity right? Are you saying you want SmallFry's family to have less money to do what they want?

Fixed price doesn't mean i will pay less. Mostly means i will pay what is required to pay.
Fixed price means i won't have to fight 1000 keycap-hungry geeks to get what i want.
Fixed price means PayPal Magic; send money and 2 weeks later UPSanta brings a gift.

Business has no feelings. The set means something, but money doesn't.
Setting a price will also forecast number of sales, means they can produce for the demand and maximize the money they get, and also everyone has what he's looking for. Auction is cashgrab; If 20 peoples wants the set but you produce only 10 for auctions purposes and milking, then so be it, but i wonder who isn't empathic on this.
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: Melvang on Tue, 27 August 2013, 22:17:53: My vote would be to sell the remaining keys at a fixed cost and possibly do a group buy for the same legen on 1.25 bottom row modifiers as I do believe they are more common and also as a 2x backspace key.
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: xmagusx on Wed, 28 August 2013, 06:59:24: I am honestly ambivalent towards the purchasing method, though with an admitted preference towards a set price -- not to keep the price low, but just so that I don't have to come back and keep checking to make sure my bid qualifies, worry about getting sniped, try to snipe, etc. Auctions just make things more stressful for the buyer, but if they make them enough easier for the seller, I honestly can't fault them overly, so long as the seller is willing to accept that they will likely get less money overall than if they had simply had a properly set price. Their stuff to sell, their call.

The point that I find a more frustrating is the "small number/limited edition" bit. Creating artificial scarcity for a memorial seems a bit, well, cruel. It seems a harsh term, but I can really think of no better at the moment. Driving up the price artificially by unnecessarily limiting the supply means that some who knew him will suddenly have to decide whether their sentimental value is worth whatever price premium results from limiting the edition. It also requires those participants who have the least, to sacrifice the most, and when combined with an auction, still have the chance to be outbid in a moment on the whim of someone slightly better off. Worse, it invites both speculation (if one can put it up on eBay the month after the auction closes for 125% of their bid, that's an absurdly good rate of return), and the simple cruelty of wealth (someone who has never heard of SmallFry but has enough money to win all the auctions because they happen to like the design and want to give them out at their nephew's birthday party). And I will be the first to admit that this is not my rodeo and inlikeflynn is welcome to run this however he sees fit, simply expressing my own feelings/concerns.

If I might suggest an alternative:
Set up the foundation, and give a minimum donation to receive a gift of one such keycap. $5, $10, $500, whatever you think is fair. Again, I personally think that the production run should be large enough that the minimum donation to receive the memorial should be low, but that may well just be me. In addition to that, invite people to provide items for the top donors. Clacks, Industrial SSKs, or what have you. Then, after a set amount of time (a week, a month, two years less a day, whatever), announce the top donors and ship out the rewards. If there is a concern that the value of the item will outstrip the top donation, afix a minimum donation for each such item given. There is also the potential that one of GH's corporate friends might be willing to donate other items to this charity as well. Example: a CM-QFR for the first 25 donors who give more than $200. Though obviously that last bit is simple speculation.

Edit: To be clear, I never had the fortune of meeting or speaking with SmallFry, just the enjoyment of reading his words, so if those who knew him better believe the plan as stated is an appropriate memorial to him, I would certainly defer to their judgement, I'm just talking out my own thoughts here. :)
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 28 August 2013, 10:34:59: Quote from: xmagusx on Wed, 28 August 2013, 06:59:24
The point that I find a more frustrating is the "small number/limited edition" bit. Creating artificial scarcity for a memorial seems a bit, well, cruel. It seems a harsh term, but I can really think of no better at the moment. Driving up the price artificially by unnecessarily limiting the supply means that some who knew him will suddenly have to decide whether their sentimental value is worth whatever price premium results from limiting the edition. It also requires those participants who have the least, to sacrifice the most, and when combined with an auction, still have the chance to be outbid in a moment on the whim of someone slightly better off. Worse, it invites both speculation (if one can put it up on eBay the month after the auction closes for 125% of their bid, that's an absurdly good rate of return), and the simple cruelty of wealth (someone who has never heard of SmallFry but has enough money to win all the auctions because they happen to like the design and want to give them out at their nephew's birthday party). And I will be the first to admit that this is not my rodeo and inlikeflynn is welcome to run this however he sees fit, simply expressing my own feelings/concerns.

I believe that these keys were already in production before SmallFry's passing, and at that point they were simply meant to be a mystery key. In that regard, the artificial scarcity you mention would have been good (back when it was a mystery key), or at least not bad. It is my understanding that they were renamed to include SmallFry in their title after his passing, at which point they were already produced. Just wanted to offer that up as an explanation for your point about under-producing and scarcity. Their purpose was re-aligned after production, as far as I know.
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: Quardah on Wed, 28 August 2013, 10:41:06: Quote from: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 28 August 2013, 10:34:59
Quote from: xmagusx on Wed, 28 August 2013, 06:59:24
The point that I find a more frustrating is the "small number/limited edition" bit. Creating artificial scarcity for a memorial seems a bit, well, cruel. It seems a harsh term, but I can really think of no better at the moment. Driving up the price artificially by unnecessarily limiting the supply means that some who knew him will suddenly have to decide whether their sentimental value is worth whatever price premium results from limiting the edition. It also requires those participants who have the least, to sacrifice the most, and when combined with an auction, still have the chance to be outbid in a moment on the whim of someone slightly better off. Worse, it invites both speculation (if one can put it up on eBay the month after the auction closes for 125% of their bid, that's an absurdly good rate of return), and the simple cruelty of wealth (someone who has never heard of SmallFry but has enough money to win all the auctions because they happen to like the design and want to give them out at their nephew's birthday party). And I will be the first to admit that this is not my rodeo and inlikeflynn is welcome to run this however he sees fit, simply expressing my own feelings/concerns.

I believe that these keys were already in production before SmallFry's passing, and at that point they were simply meant to be a mystery key. In that regard, the artificial scarcity you mention would have been good (back when it was a mystery key), or at least not bad. It is my understanding that they were renamed to include SmallFry in their title after his passing, at which point they were already produced. Just wanted to offer that up as an explanation for your point about under-producing and scarcity. Their purpose was re-aligned after production, as far as I know.

You must be right but may i ask if it is still possible to produce more if the demand is high?
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 28 August 2013, 10:56:12: Quote from: Quardah on Wed, 28 August 2013, 10:41:06
Quote from: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 28 August 2013, 10:34:59
Quote from: xmagusx on Wed, 28 August 2013, 06:59:24
The point that I find a more frustrating is the "small number/limited edition" bit. Creating artificial scarcity for a memorial seems a bit, well, cruel. It seems a harsh term, but I can really think of no better at the moment. Driving up the price artificially by unnecessarily limiting the supply means that some who knew him will suddenly have to decide whether their sentimental value is worth whatever price premium results from limiting the edition. It also requires those participants who have the least, to sacrifice the most, and when combined with an auction, still have the chance to be outbid in a moment on the whim of someone slightly better off. Worse, it invites both speculation (if one can put it up on eBay the month after the auction closes for 125% of their bid, that's an absurdly good rate of return), and the simple cruelty of wealth (someone who has never heard of SmallFry but has enough money to win all the auctions because they happen to like the design and want to give them out at their nephew's birthday party). And I will be the first to admit that this is not my rodeo and inlikeflynn is welcome to run this however he sees fit, simply expressing my own feelings/concerns.

I believe that these keys were already in production before SmallFry's passing, and at that point they were simply meant to be a mystery key. In that regard, the artificial scarcity you mention would have been good (back when it was a mystery key), or at least not bad. It is my understanding that they were renamed to include SmallFry in their title after his passing, at which point they were already produced. Just wanted to offer that up as an explanation for your point about under-producing and scarcity. Their purpose was re-aligned after production, as far as I know.

You must be right but may i ask if it is still possible to produce more if the demand is high?

That's a question that Flynn would need to field, as I had no involvement in this project personally. :) Hopefully he'll see your question.
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: xmagusx on Wed, 28 August 2013, 12:18:23: Quote from: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 28 August 2013, 10:34:59
I believe that these keys were already in production before SmallFry's passing, and at that point they were simply meant to be a mystery key. In that regard, the artificial scarcity you mention would have been good (back when it was a mystery key), or at least not bad. It is my understanding that they were renamed to include SmallFry in their title after his passing, at which point they were already produced. Just wanted to offer that up as an explanation for your point about under-producing and scarcity. Their purpose was re-aligned after production, as far as I know.
I was unaware that the run was complete, though I would definitely agree with Quardah that an additional run be done if there's enough folks here who would want one (as I imagine there are).

Again, though, the idea of a limited edition memorial auction seems cruel to me. Still, not my rodeo, and however it plays out, I hope the foundation succeeds!
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: inlikeflynn on Wed, 28 August 2013, 14:05:28: 1.) these specific keys (1.5x mod sized) were already made long ago for the original M3 project as described in the 1st post

2.) This specific size/profile/color is limited in quantity and will probably NOT ever be remade with exactly the same size/profile/color. it almost certainly will get new ones made with different size/profile/color or maybe even become part of the standard keycap sets. But for the original's what exists now is what will forever exist.

3.) There should never be a 2nd hand market on these like CC's... i am quite sure GH will self police itself if someone tries to make CC levels of personal profit from a F&F cap

4.) There will be individual F&F caps for sale after the auction at a fixed price that anyone can afford. How many depends on how the auction goes

5.) I dislike the personal profit auction's on GH as much as anyone else, but we have a different goal here with the foundation. With or without the special F&F packages auction people would be donating once the foundation is up and running. Would they donate as much without the F&F package? I have no idea, but the package is just extra incentive and my way of saying thanks for the donation. I believe that for USA people it would also be a tax deduction which could be an even larger incentive

6.) Afraid you will miss out on getting one from the auction or eventual individual sale? Then participate in one of the GH birthday contests an incorporate the design and i'll probably just send you one

7.) Want to use the F&F logo for something else that is not for profit? Just ask and i'll almost surely say yes and get you the SVG itself.

-Flynn
Title: Re: SmallFry Friends & Family Tribute key, formerly known as Mystery key 3 or M3 key
Post by: Adept Entity on Mon, 04 November 2013, 20:05:37: Are these still available? I'm most definitely interested.