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Title: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom (UPDATE)
Post by: fishpod on Thu, 16 November 2017, 09:30:33
ALF X2 is a 60% keyboard inspired by the beloved HHKB keyboards and seeks to add more functionalities to the board. ALF X2 has been run within China by team ALF few months ago and it was a successful run. Interested in and impressed by X2, I am here to bring it to you and hope you guys would love it. If there’s enough interest, I would make this possible.

ALF X2 parts:
-   Top case (normal 60% w/o blocked corners or HHKB style w/ symmetrical blocked corners)
-   Bottom case
-   Stainless steel plate: 2.25u left shift (normal 60%) or 2u left shift w/ arrow cluster
-   PCB
-   Front nameplate (mounted by screws)
-   “ALF” logo Brass weight (4 pcs)
-   PC diffuser
-   Microswitch alu buttons*2
* This guy’s hefty, weighting 2.5kg unassembled.


PCB features:
-   3 USB 2.0 ports (X2 can work as a passive USB hub)
-   2 presoldered programmable CHERRY microswitches
-   RGB underglow (RGB lights not presoldered) confirmed by ALF, RGB underglow will be removed.
-   Multiple layout support
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Here's a MICRO-ARC OXIDATION White X2 w/ 2u left shift and arrow cluster.
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Color Options:

Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom
Post by: bluesclera on Thu, 16 November 2017, 09:39:23
You have the link for the Chinese run? Any additional photos?
Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom
Post by: avid on Thu, 16 November 2017, 09:43:45
I LOVE this board. Please bring this beauty to GH!
Is there any estimates on pricing?

Will there be ISO support?
Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom
Post by: baxxt14 on Thu, 16 November 2017, 10:02:06
What's the color of the case in the preview?
This is super cool, just the price that would steer me away. Cases are usually in the 60-90 USD range, would it be around there?
Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 16 November 2017, 10:11:03
What's the color of the case in the preview?
This is super cool, just the price that would steer me away. Cases are usually in the 60-90 USD range, would it be around there?

When was the last time you saw a custom board like this for under 100 bucks? I don't mean to be abrupt but there is a zero percent chance this is going to be anywhere near the prices you mentioned.
Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 16 November 2017, 10:11:19
i still think this needs ALF from the TV series on the back...

Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom
Post by: baxxt14 on Thu, 16 November 2017, 10:13:52
What's the color of the case in the preview?
This is super cool, just the price that would steer me away. Cases are usually in the 60-90 USD range, would it be around there?

When was the last time you saw a custom board like this for under 100 bucks? I don't mean to be abrupt but there is a zero percent chance this is going to be anywhere near the prices you mentioned.
Oh right yeah, that makes sense.

Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 16 November 2017, 10:22:16
Now this... this I would buy:

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Did you know if you google "Gordon" that Gordon Shumway is STILL the first thing that auto populates!  I'm telling ya... we need a TRUE ALF board.

Gordon, Gordon, put us in stitches.  There ain't no one like you in this place.  (that cartoon was so awful, wasn't it?)
Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom
Post by: Marutks on Thu, 16 November 2017, 10:29:19
ALF is a pig  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALF:_The_Animated_Series
Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom
Post by: odd on Thu, 16 November 2017, 12:25:58
I have been eyeing this board for a couple months now so I am very interested in obtaining one, count me in :thumb:
Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom
Post by: superdoedoe on Thu, 16 November 2017, 17:27:28
Using this board to type this message atm.

It's an awesome board. My only problem with it was the horrible QC. My slot for my badge top right didn't have any holes drilled for the badge at all.

Another friend got the board as well and his SS plate was missing a drill hole, so he had to drill it himself. He was also missing the badge entirely.
Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom
Post by: Tree_ on Thu, 16 November 2017, 17:28:08
It's Alf ... He's back ... In keyboard form.
Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom
Post by: aeryxz on Thu, 16 November 2017, 17:54:24
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bbbi1brnZUx

Had some QC problems. Superbuy didn't pack it properly and i got some small scratches that I covered with matte black paint. Top right badge doesn't have holes to screw it in, currently held with bluetack. No build instructions so you might need to have some knowledge about building already. TC had a thread on reddit so you can flash your own QMK layout. https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/79m7rf/photos_alf_x2_hhkb_layout_json_for_qmk_included/

Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom
Post by: Mavarina on Thu, 16 November 2017, 18:01:48
Really interesting, would buy...
Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom
Post by: THRILLHOIAF on Thu, 16 November 2017, 20:05:18
call me crazy, but this looks slick without the brass ALF inserts
Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom
Post by: Unforgivable on Thu, 16 November 2017, 20:09:03
Will this be ran by zFrontier? :)

Edit: Very interested! Especially if it’s still gonna be sold at the $200 price!

Any chance for a coated brass switch plate?
Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom
Post by: anthorix on Thu, 16 November 2017, 20:21:47
Hawt  :eek:
Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom
Post by: get_weird on Thu, 16 November 2017, 21:42:18
This is about another board, but is there any chance that the Alf LE can be bought outside of China?
Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom
Post by: AuthenticDanger on Thu, 16 November 2017, 21:44:08
If it had a split space I'd be 100% sold on this.
Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom
Post by: Darknight00z on Sat, 18 November 2017, 00:18:19
YES YES and YES. Been watching the Chinese GB and man does it look amazing! I do have a few questions.

1. Why the removal of underglow? Can we solder strips ourselves?

2. Please add split space support, I've been spoiled by banana split and DZ60

3. ETA timeframe? GB start after CNY?

Thank you

Looking forward to the GB
Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom
Post by: regionfree on Sat, 18 November 2017, 03:50:54
Would be in on this. Please bring this!
Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom
Post by: dante on Sat, 18 November 2017, 09:55:33
You kids are probably too young to remember.

(https://metvcdn.metv.com/3JDcT-1493235661-8426-list_items-alf_plush.jpg)
Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom
Post by: superdoedoe on Sat, 18 November 2017, 21:31:28
Some pics of my mates ALF

https://www.instagram.com/p/Ba20TEzH8wC/?taken-by=tre.vc
Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom
Post by: fishpod on Sat, 18 November 2017, 21:51:33
The one in OP is a micro-arc anodized white. Plate is a 2u left shift plate and a different plate will be offered for normal 2.25 left shift layouts. PCB is programmed by QMK.

I have urged ALF that if this were to run, QC should keep up. No undrilled holes and all nameplates should be drilled.

YES YES and YES. Been watching the Chinese GB and man does it look amazing! I do have a few questions.

1. Why the removal of underglow? Can we solder strips ourselves?

2. Please add split space support, I've been spoiled by banana split and DZ60

3. ETA timeframe? GB start after CNY?

Thank you

Looking forward to the GB
underglow will be removed 'cause many people told ALF it was too difficult to wire the RGB lights.

Sorry no split space bars, confirmed by ALF

Timeframe and  price still under discussion.



Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom
Post by: clee on Sun, 19 November 2017, 00:12:19
My only question: is there a 6.0u spacebar HHKB variant of the top case (with 1.5u blocker on left, 2.5u blocker on right)? The fully-symmetrical-7u-spacebar design is a no-go for me personally.
Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom
Post by: vtachkov on Sun, 19 November 2017, 10:13:17
Any reason ALF went with using USB 2.0 instead of USB 3.0/3.1 or maybe even going with 2 USB 3 and 1 USB type C?
Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom
Post by: Darknight00z on Sun, 19 November 2017, 17:56:07
Any reason ALF went with using USB 2.0 instead of USB 3.0/3.1 or maybe even going with 2 USB 3 and 1 USB type C?

He does have a point. Its 2017, make it at least usb 3.0

2x USB A 3.0
1x USB C 3.0

That would be a top notch modern day board  :thumb: :thumb:

Future proof would be 3.1, but that would be having a cake and eating it too
Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom
Post by: xondat on Sun, 19 November 2017, 18:07:03
Any reason ALF went with using USB 2.0 instead of USB 3.0/3.1 or maybe even going with 2 USB 3 and 1 USB type C?

Can a single USB power that much?
Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 19 November 2017, 18:13:06
Any reason ALF went with using USB 2.0 instead of USB 3.0/3.1 or maybe even going with 2 USB 3 and 1 USB type C?

Can a single USB power that much?

it can't even power the 3 2.0 ports properly
Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom
Post by: vtachkov on Sun, 19 November 2017, 20:23:03
Any reason ALF went with using USB 2.0 instead of USB 3.0/3.1 or maybe even going with 2 USB 3 and 1 USB type C?

Can a single USB power that much?

it can't even power the 3 2.0 ports properly

Is that a side-effect of having removable cables? Or also the PCB design to handle that power? The das 4 pro supports 2 USB 3.0 passthroughs, albeit with a connected cable.

If the ALF can't even support it's current three USB 2.0 ports, why have three of them in the first place?
Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom
Post by: xondat on Sun, 19 November 2017, 20:24:46
Any reason ALF went with using USB 2.0 instead of USB 3.0/3.1 or maybe even going with 2 USB 3 and 1 USB type C?

Can a single USB power that much?

it can't even power the 3 2.0 ports properly

Is that a side-effect of having removable cables? Or also the PCB design to handle that power? The das 4 pro supports 2 USB 3.0 passthroughs, albeit with a connected cable.

If the ALF can't even support it's current three USB 2.0 ports, why have three of them in the first place?

Hard to say without knowing the details of the PCB. My guess would be it's just close to the limits of power available from USB. LEDs would draw from this, and 3 is definitely pushing it.
Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 19 November 2017, 20:56:56
Any reason ALF went with using USB 2.0 instead of USB 3.0/3.1 or maybe even going with 2 USB 3 and 1 USB type C?

Can a single USB power that much?

it can't even power the 3 2.0 ports properly

Is that a side-effect of having removable cables? Or also the PCB design to handle that power? The das 4 pro supports 2 USB 3.0 passthroughs, albeit with a connected cable.

If the ALF can't even support it's current three USB 2.0 ports, why have three of them in the first place?

Hard to say without knowing the details of the PCB. My guess would be it's just close to the limits of power available from USB. LEDs would draw from this, and 3 is definitely pushing it.

bingo

part of why the next version (the one we're getting) doesn't have underglow
Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom
Post by: Darknight00z on Mon, 20 November 2017, 01:06:08
Thanks for the clarification guys. I guess the ports on the board would only be good for a mouse imo. I'd be better off plugging into the desktop for file transfers.
Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom (UPDATE)
Post by: fishpod on Mon, 20 November 2017, 21:28:41
 Updated with more and maybe final information from ALF, PRICE and TIMEFRAME will be announced.
Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom (UPDATE)
Post by: fishpod on Tue, 21 November 2017, 23:52:02
seems like zFrontier and ALF's been busy and making things happen!  :thumb:

am posting a GB post in GB subforum and we shall move our discussion there.

info on timeframe and pricing:
Nov 21 - Dec 12

280USD for anodized colors
335USD for micro-arc white
shipping included.
Title: Re: ALF X2 by ALF – a 60% custom (UPDATE)
Post by: fishpod on Thu, 23 November 2017, 06:26:28
 :thumb: GB post APPROVED! :thumb:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=92677.0

I will be closing this IC thread. Please continue the discussion there :)