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Title: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: bazemk1979 on Sun, 18 October 2015, 11:46:30
I have been having Logitech z2300 for some time now, probably for the past 6 years if I'm correct. First pair the speakers started to make crackling noise, was under time frame of warranty so they sent me another one, that one had same problem so I end up buying another set because in all honesty I was happy with the set up. Here I'm 2-3 years later and one of the speakers started having the same issues... If I stand correct that's usually a problem of the satellites detaching from the base and probably I will need to reset them and glue them back, either is that or wiring needs to be de solder and solder back, I don't know what's the issue but probably is the first one I mentioned.

 I could make my life 100 times easier and just get z623 or the sp2500 2.1 setups and call it a day and not having to deal with anything extra, just plug,play and enjoy.... but I would like to try something different, and I'm not that experienced when comes to converting regular subwoofer and speakers to PC, its easy if you have to hook them up with whatever receiver is popular today with the home entertainment.

 So what I would like to do is probably have similar setup like the z2300 but stand alone and hopefully I have less problems with longevity of the stand alone subwoofer and speakers since I would guess they should be little more durable perhaps?

 Anyways I understand that this an audiophile site and people will jump into recommending some setup $1000 or more, thanks but I'm not interested in that, I was pretty happy with the z2300 but I don't mind paying little bit more for better quality longevity wise and sound experience wise. So I did some research and mainly I'm looking into the price range of Pioneers,JBL,Polk etc etc etc. They all have decent reviews and it all came to matter of looks, in my taste JBL look most attractive, I'm sure here on this site people would debate that LOL.


 Ok here is what I have in mind of buying and if someone has a better recommendation for a brand that has better reputation quality wise, then please chime in.

 Speakers: http://www.amazon.com/JBL-ES20-Books...2%3A2661618011

 Subwoofer: http://www.amazon.com/JBL-ES150PBK-3...ct_top?ie=UTF8

 Amplifier2.1 channel:  http://www.amazon.com/Lepai-LP-168HA...60_SR160%2C160_  ( the Amp is rated 40W per channel for the speakers while the speakers are rated both at 125W, the subwoofer channel is rated 68W and while the subwoofer itself is rated at 300W) - not sure if this matters but I wrote it here in case if people are lazy to read the links descriptions I provided for the peripherals.

 I don't know if this matters but this is the sound card I have in my PC: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829271003( the sound card on the back has 5.1 channel inputs + some usb connections I guess not sure if that helps with the setup I want to go or if it matter at all.... like I said above I have only used the typical PC 2.1 plug and play setup) 

So please any input is appreciated specially regarding the Amplifier 2.1, the speakers, the subwoofer.... etc etc etc
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Snowdog993 on Sun, 18 October 2015, 12:01:45
I have been having Logitech z2300 for some time now, probably for the past 6 years if I'm correct. First pair the speakers started to make crackling noise, was under time frame of warranty so they sent me another one, that one had same problem so I end up buying another set because in all honesty I was happy with the set up. Here I'm 2-3 years later and one of the speakers started having the same issues... If I stand correct that's usually a problem of the satellites detaching from the base and probably I will need to reset them and glue them back, either is that or wiring needs to be de solder and solder back, I don't know what's the issue but probably is the first one I mentioned.

 I could make my life 100 times easier and just get z623 or the sp2500 2.1 setups and call it a day and not having to deal with anything extra, just plug,play and enjoy.... but I would like to try something different, and I'm not that experienced when comes to converting regular subwoofer and speakers to PC, its easy if you have to hook them up with whatever receiver is popular today with the home entertainment.

 So what I would like to do is probably have similar setup like the z2300 but stand alone and hopefully I have less problems with longevity of the stand alone subwoofer and speakers since I would guess they should be little more durable perhaps?

 Anyways I understand that this an audiophile site and people will jump into recommending some setup $1000 or more, thanks but I'm not interested in that, I was pretty happy with the z2300 but I don't mind paying little bit more for better quality longevity wise and sound experience wise. So I did some research and mainly I'm looking into the price range of Pioneers,JBL,Polk etc etc etc. They all have decent reviews and it all came to matter of looks, in my taste JBL look most attractive, I'm sure here on this site people would debate that LOL.


 Ok here is what I have in mind of buying and if someone has a better recommendation for a brand that has better reputation quality wise, then please chime in.

 Speakers: http://www.amazon.com/JBL-ES20-Books...2%3A2661618011

 Subwoofer: http://www.amazon.com/JBL-ES150PBK-3...ct_top?ie=UTF8

 Amplifier2.1 channel:  http://www.amazon.com/Lepai-LP-168HA...60_SR160%2C160_  ( the Amp is rated 40W per channel for the speakers while the speakers are rated both at 125W, the subwoofer channel is rated 68W and while the subwoofer itself is rated at 300W) - not sure if this matters but I wrote it here in case if people are lazy to read the links descriptions I provided for the peripherals.

 I don't know if this matters but this is the sound card I have in my PC: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829271003( the sound card on the back has 5.1 channel inputs + some usb connections I guess not sure if that helps with the setup I want to go or if it matter at all.... like I said above I have only used the typical PC 2.1 plug and play setup) 

So please any input is appreciated specially regarding the Amplifier 2.1, the speakers, the subwoofer.... etc etc etc

Have you ever heard of BIC Venturi speakers?  Something like the BICDV62SIB bookshelf speakers?
They are excellent monitors and you can get the V1020 (10") or V1220 (12") powered subwoofer.
As far as an amplifier is concerned, you might want to look into a good one.  Perhaps looking into a nice Yamaha amplifier or reciever (used or new) would do the trick.  It doesn't have to be too powerful, 40W-100W per channel is more than sufficient for that, because the subwoofer has it's own amplifier.
The JBL speakers are nice, but I am serious when I tell you the Venturis are the very best deal for the money.  Your ears won't be disappointed.
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: bazemk1979 on Sun, 18 October 2015, 13:34:16
I have been having Logitech z2300 for some time now, probably for the past 6 years if I'm correct. First pair the speakers started to make crackling noise, was under time frame of warranty so they sent me another one, that one had same problem so I end up buying another set because in all honesty I was happy with the set up. Here I'm 2-3 years later and one of the speakers started having the same issues... If I stand correct that's usually a problem of the satellites detaching from the base and probably I will need to reset them and glue them back, either is that or wiring needs to be de solder and solder back, I don't know what's the issue but probably is the first one I mentioned.

 I could make my life 100 times easier and just get z623 or the sp2500 2.1 setups and call it a day and not having to deal with anything extra, just plug,play and enjoy.... but I would like to try something different, and I'm not that experienced when comes to converting regular subwoofer and speakers to PC, its easy if you have to hook them up with whatever receiver is popular today with the home entertainment.

 So what I would like to do is probably have similar setup like the z2300 but stand alone and hopefully I have less problems with longevity of the stand alone subwoofer and speakers since I would guess they should be little more durable perhaps?

 Anyways I understand that this an audiophile site and people will jump into recommending some setup $1000 or more, thanks but I'm not interested in that, I was pretty happy with the z2300 but I don't mind paying little bit more for better quality longevity wise and sound experience wise. So I did some research and mainly I'm looking into the price range of Pioneers,JBL,Polk etc etc etc. They all have decent reviews and it all came to matter of looks, in my taste JBL look most attractive, I'm sure here on this site people would debate that LOL.


 Ok here is what I have in mind of buying and if someone has a better recommendation for a brand that has better reputation quality wise, then please chime in.

 Speakers: http://www.amazon.com/JBL-ES20-Books...2%3A2661618011

 Subwoofer: http://www.amazon.com/JBL-ES150PBK-3...ct_top?ie=UTF8

 Amplifier2.1 channel:  http://www.amazon.com/Lepai-LP-168HA...60_SR160%2C160_  ( the Amp is rated 40W per channel for the speakers while the speakers are rated both at 125W, the subwoofer channel is rated 68W and while the subwoofer itself is rated at 300W) - not sure if this matters but I wrote it here in case if people are lazy to read the links descriptions I provided for the peripherals.

 I don't know if this matters but this is the sound card I have in my PC: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829271003( the sound card on the back has 5.1 channel inputs + some usb connections I guess not sure if that helps with the setup I want to go or if it matter at all.... like I said above I have only used the typical PC 2.1 plug and play setup) 

So please any input is appreciated specially regarding the Amplifier 2.1, the speakers, the subwoofer.... etc etc etc

Have you ever heard of BIC Venturi speakers?  Something like the BICDV62SIB bookshelf speakers?
They are excellent monitors and you can get the V1020 (10") or V1220 (12") powered subwoofer.
As far as an amplifier is concerned, you might want to look into a good one.  Perhaps looking into a nice Yamaha amplifier or reciever (used or new) would do the trick.  It doesn't have to be too powerful, 40W-100W per channel is more than sufficient for that, because the subwoofer has it's own amplifier.
The JBL speakers are nice, but I am serious when I tell you the Venturis are the very best deal for the money.  Your ears won't be disappointed.


Thanks for the input, I'm sort of set for the speakers and sub due to the amount of feedback left, popularity and first and most the looks department, I like how they look. So by what you saying regarding the Amplifier I don't need 2.1 channel, just a decent Yamaha 2.0 channel because the subwoofer has its own amplifier? Just trying to put my head around connecting the subwoofer to the Amp and the amp has only 2 channels, cause head count wise I have 3 peripherals that I want to hook up to 2 channels amp...

Any ways here is the Yamaha that should be good but kind of the size of it does not agree too much with my desk space http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F0H88SY?keywords=Yamaha%20amplifier&qid=1445191596&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1

I guess also will need the RCA to 3.5mm splitter cable right? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000067RBT?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

The Yamaha seems to be awesome but size is the killer here for me :( Can you recommend another Amplifier in smaller size factor that's good?
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Hak Foo on Sun, 18 October 2015, 13:55:32
If you're gonna buy a reciever, it's a good plan but the wrong executiion.  Don't buy new.  Stereo kit depreciates in a way that makes new GPUs look like T-bills.

Go to a few thrift shops, and there's a solid chance you'll find a fairly competent reciever that's a few years old, priced somewhere between $15 and $50.  I've gotten a couple decent 2000-era 5.1 recievers out of thrift shops, and for your needs you don't even need that.
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Snowdog993 on Sun, 18 October 2015, 13:57:01

Thanks for the input, I'm sort of set for the speakers and sub due to the amount of feedback left, popularity and first and most the looks department, I like how they look. So by what you saying regarding the Amplifier I don't need 2.1 channel, just a decent Yamaha 2.0 channel because the subwoofer has its own amplifier? Just trying to put my head around connecting the subwoofer to the Amp and the amp has only 2 channels, cause head count wise I have 3 peripherals that I want to hook up to 2 channels amp...

Any ways here is the Yamaha that should be good but kind of the size of it does not agree too much with my desk space http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F0H88SY?keywords=Yamaha%20amplifier&qid=1445191596&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1

I guess also will need the RCA to 3.5mm splitter cable right? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000067RBT?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

The Yamaha seems to be awesome but size is the killer here for me :( Can you recommend another Amplifier in smaller size factor that's good?

You are just fine with a 2.0 amplifier. Smaller size factor amplifiers can be found, but you might sacrifice sound quality.  Pyle makes a decent compact integrated amplifier if you feel you have to go with a smaller footprint.  I'd recommend at least the 75w per channel model.  The 120w per channel is better.
Yes, you will need the RCA to 3.5mm jacks as well.

http://www.pyleaudio.com/sku/PCA4/Mini-2x120-Watt-Stereo-Power-Amplifier

Something like that.
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Snowdog993 on Sun, 18 October 2015, 13:59:20
If you're gonna buy a reciever, it's a good plan but the wrong executiion.  Don't buy new.  Stereo kit depreciates in a way that makes new GPUs look like T-bills.

Go to a few thrift shops, and there's a solid chance you'll find a fairly competent reciever that's a few years old, priced somewhere between $15 and $50.  I've gotten a couple decent 2000-era 5.1 recievers out of thrift shops, and for your needs you don't even need that.

This I have done.  Yes you can find nice amplifiers at thrift shops.  You might want to test them first before shelling out the money.  Some even have a 1-week return for exchange policy.  This would be the most cost-efficient way to do it.
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: bazemk1979 on Sun, 18 October 2015, 14:08:55
Pyle gets mixed reviews on Amazon, while this one gets much better ones and looks more simple than the Pyle http://www.amazon.com/SMSL-50Wx2-TDA7492-Amplifier-Adapter/dp/B00F0H8TOC/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1445194381&sr=1-2&keywords=Topping+TP20+mkII

Prices are about the same for example this Pyle one looks decked out but the reviews are little bit shady http://www.amazon.com/Pyle-PTA4-2x120-Stereo-Amplifier/dp/B003NVN1PY/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1445194806&sr=1-1&keywords=pyle+120w+amplifier

So you think none of these will do me as good as the Yamaha, price difference is is only +$60 for the Yamaha, but that's not the issue, the issue is more the size factor and I don't see Yamaha making smaller ones, it the height of the Yamaha was around 4-1/2 inches then it wouldn't be a problem cause would of fit between my shelf and the desk table.... I think I'm screwed haha
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Snowdog993 on Sun, 18 October 2015, 14:21:18
Pyle gets mixed reviews on Amazon, while this one gets much better ones and looks more simple than the Pyle http://www.amazon.com/SMSL-50Wx2-TDA7492-Amplifier-Adapter/dp/B00F0H8TOC/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1445194381&sr=1-2&keywords=Topping+TP20+mkII

Prices are about the same for example this Pyle one looks decked out but the reviews are little bit shady http://www.amazon.com/Pyle-PTA4-2x120-Stereo-Amplifier/dp/B003NVN1PY/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1445194806&sr=1-1&keywords=pyle+120w+amplifier

So you think none of these will do me as good as the Yamaha, price difference is is only +$60 for the Yamaha, but that's not the issue, the issue is more the size factor and I don't see Yamaha making smaller ones, it the height of the Yamaha was around 4-1/2 inches then it wouldn't be a problem cause would of fit between my shelf and the desk table.... I think I'm screwed haha

Correct.  The Yamaha would be much better to go with.
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: bazemk1979 on Sun, 18 October 2015, 14:50:55
this one has the doable dimensions though http://www.amazon.com/AudioSource-75-Watt-Stereo-225-Watt-Amplifier/dp/B0013F1D3Y/ref=sr_1_11?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1445197684&sr=1-11&keywords=amplifier&refinements=p_n_feature_browse-bin%3A1267489011%2Cp_72%3A1248879011
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: bazemk1979 on Sun, 18 October 2015, 14:58:21
I just measured and seems that the Yamaha will fit but I will have to raise the bottom self 1 level up which equals disassembling the whole Ikea Fredrik desk, ouch!
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Snowdog993 on Sun, 18 October 2015, 15:04:46
The only thing I wish I could do is actually demonstrate the difference between the Venturis and the JBL speakers.  I think once you heard them, you would make the choice yourself.
However, you can't go wrong with the Yamaha amplifier no matter which way you go.
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 18 October 2015, 16:22:52
Don't even think about amps unltil you thought about getting away from Motherboard electricals.

You need something with optical out (toslink)

I don't even want to us HDMI audio

My PC uses so much power and it's eletrically noisy as ****.


I've not found ANY WAY of reducing the noise floor on these gaming motherboards,  they're simply not designed for audio.

The only way is toslink to receiver or toslink to separate  DAC+amp.

Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Snowdog993 on Sun, 18 October 2015, 16:29:10
Don't even think about amps unltil you thought about getting away from Motherboard electricals.

You need something with optical out (toslink)

I don't even want to us HDMI audio

My PC uses so much power and it's eletrically noisy as ****.


I've not found ANY WAY of reducing the noise floor on these gaming motherboards,  they're simply not designed for audio.

The only way is toslink to receiver or toslink to separate  DAC+amp.

He told us what his sound card is!
HT Omega CLARO Plus+
If he wants to use analog, he certainly can!
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: bazemk1979 on Sun, 18 October 2015, 16:40:17
I paid good bucks for that sound card so I don't have to use the mobo sound card. So far this is what looks to be on my list and if I'm missing anything that I need to include on the order please let me know, would hate to have to run to Best Buy as last minute notice....


 Speakers: http://www.amazon.com/JBL-ES20-Books...2%3A2661618011

 Subwoofer: http://www.amazon.com/JBL-ES150PBK-3...ct_top?ie=UTF8

 Amplifier: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F0H88SY?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

 RCA to 3.5mm split cable: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000067RBT?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

As far as the speaker sound quality goes, I saw a video of the MAudio compared to the JBL, and while the MAudio being triple the price more than the JBL the difference was minimal in quality, but I think big role for me plays the overall look of the JBL components.

EDIT: I hope I enjoy the better quality sound and hope I will get more longevity too out of this setup vs the Logitech z2300 I have. That's what I'm hoping for, otherwise I wouldn't even think going z623 or SP2500 setup.... If upgrade is not worth it I just might fix the speaker and call it a day, but I think the difference will be worth it quality wise and longevity wise.

I mean this set up cost me around $400 vs z623 $110 vs SP2500 $250. I would never justify $250 for 2.1 PC setup.

Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Snowdog993 on Sun, 18 October 2015, 16:58:29
I paid good bucks for that sound card so I don't have to use the mobo sound card. So far this is what looks to be on my list and if I'm missing anything that I need to include on the order please let me know, would hate to have to run to Best Buy as last minute notice....


 Speakers: http://www.amazon.com/JBL-ES20-Books...2%3A2661618011

 Subwoofer: http://www.amazon.com/JBL-ES150PBK-3...ct_top?ie=UTF8

 Amplifier: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F0H88SY?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

 RCA to 3.5mm split cable: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000067RBT?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

As far as the speaker sound quality goes, I saw a video of the MAudio compared to the JBL, and while the MAudio being triple the price more than the JBL the difference was minimal in quality, but I think big role for me plays the overall look of the JBL components.

Your speaker links don't work.  I am supposing you are saying the JBL ES-20 bookshelf speakers with the JBL ES150PBK subwoofer.  And my suggestion was the BIC Venturi BICDV62SIB with the V1020 or V1220 subwoofer.

Let's see: JBL ES-20's are 104.95 for the pair
               BIC Venturi BICDV62SIB are 131.73 for the pair.
Subwoofer:  JBL ES150PBK subwoofer is 139.95 with a 10" woofer
                  BIC V1020 is 163.09 with a 10" woofer.
So the price difference is $244.90 for the JBL speaker system and $294.82 for the Venturi system.

Difference: $49.92

Almost $50 price difference.  The Venturi system is about $50 more, but infinitely better sounding.

What's even nicer is the fact that you can get the bookshelf speakers standalone, and they sound astounding on their own.  The subwoofer can come later!  I am that serious!

Of course if aesthetics are what you decided on, you have already made your choice.

Edit: You might find a better deal if you look around.
       The Venturis outperform most speakers costing more than double the price.  But this is my opinion, and you can look at reviews and audiophile sites all over the internet, and decide for yourself.
If I didn't believe in the Venturi's I wouldn't recommend them!  Especially with a 7-year warranty!
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: bazemk1979 on Sun, 18 October 2015, 18:50:55
thanks the 7 year warranty might change my mind, where are they made?
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Snowdog993 on Sun, 18 October 2015, 18:52:07
thanks the 7 year warranty might change my mind, where are they made?

http://www.bicamerica.com/

The speakers I recommend:
http://www.bicamerica.com/showpage.php?brand=2&type=7&spkrID=38
http://www.bicamerica.com/showpage.php?brand=2&type=8&spkrID=43

Enjoy!
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: bazemk1979 on Sun, 18 October 2015, 19:44:49
Snowdog looks like the JBL subwoofer has been sold out lol, but in a way I'm  glad because knowing about the BIC little bit more and hopefully they are made here in US but who knows... none the less seems that they are of high quality just its not mainstream product, so few people know about it but put tons of praise to them, like some dude using their speakers and sub 8 years straight without any problems so far.... Who knows maybe they are made here in US lol

Anyways if I'm going to go with BIC then I might just go with whats eye pleasing to me, I haven't looked trough out the whole inventory but I see some nice designs there and so far these catch my eyes from the get go:

Subwoofer: Formula F-12 & Speakers: Formula FH-65B
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Snowdog993 on Sun, 18 October 2015, 20:01:40
Cool.  I know you won't be disappointed at all.  I think those are a bit more expensive.  I believe the pricing on them are per speaker. (Formula FH-65B)
Remember that.


Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: bazemk1979 on Sun, 18 October 2015, 20:14:38
yea I know that
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Snowdog993 on Sun, 18 October 2015, 20:28:10
I thought I would add a footnote here:
I have a pair of Venturi V52's I have had for more than 10 years, and they are still going strong.
(http://i.imgur.com/m4276VV.jpg)
Hmm, must be something about them.

A little article about them...  Sheesh!  They might even be older than that!  I feel old now.

http://articles.philly.com/1992-05-06/news/26013006_1_speakers-dolby-pro-audio-technica

Edit: What is strange is that the V52's actually have a 5.25" woofer, not a 4" woofer.  Perhaps the first ones did.  My guess is that they went with the larger woofer to get the deeper bass from the same design.
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: bazemk1979 on Sun, 18 October 2015, 20:43:34
yea I know that

dude is this how the FH-65B sound on their own? no Subwoofer? OMG!

EDIT: WOOOOW no subwoofer needed with these bad boys, so strong and yet sound is clear and no distortion, but they have such a nice boom/bass to them. Now ok, I'm excited now LOL Question is Will the Yamaha be enough to drive these 2 bad boys? That's me considering that later down the road if I upgrade to the subwoofer, mainly the sub feeds itself cause it has amplifier in it. So I would assume that the 100W rated Yamaha is ok for these 2 even those these 2 are rated 330W each, I mean I saw a video on you tube from a dude that was rocking these 2 with mini amplifier, but since now considering I don't need the subwoofer then space for the Amplifier is no longer an issue :)  and maybe just maybe if I'm stupid enough later down the road I will add the subwoofer...

Wow what a sound coming out from them, worth every penny at $90 each, every penny!

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Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Snowdog993 on Sun, 18 October 2015, 20:54:35
yea I know that

dude is this how the FH-65B sound on their own? no Subwoofer? OMG!

EDIT: WOOOOW no subwoofer needed with these bad boys, so strong and yet sound is clear and no distortion, but they have such a nice boom/bass to them. Now ok, I'm excited now LOL Question is Will the Yamaha be enough to drive these 2 bad boys? That's me considering that later down the road if I upgrade to the subwoofer, mainly the sub feeds itself cause it has amplifier in it. So I would assume that the 100W rated Yamaha is ok for these 2 even those these 2 are rated 330W each, I mean I saw a video on you tube from a dude that was rocking these 2 with mini amplifier, but since now considering I don't need the subwoofer then space for the Amplifier is no longer an issue :)

Wow what a sound coming out from them, worth every penny at $90 each, every penny!


And you had doubt about Venturi?  That Yamaha is PLENTY of power for them!
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: bazemk1979 on Sun, 18 October 2015, 21:07:24
No I had no doubt at all considering is the same house making them both models, the reason why I'm looking at the 65B is because of the design. yes they cost almost double but the looks its what attracts me the most, and now the sound wow, for starters I don't even need the subwoofer, not sure if I ever will need it lol. Im going to look around for vids how the venture sounds, but these ones I love their looks!

EDIT: wait you said you had them for 10 years, any repairs done to them?
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Snowdog993 on Sun, 18 October 2015, 21:16:17
No I had no doubt at all considering is the same house making them both models, the reason why I'm looking at the 65B is because of the design. yes they cost almost double but the looks its what attracts me the most, and now the sound wow, for starters I don't even need the subwoofer, not sure if I ever will need it lol. Im going to look around for vids how the venture sounds, but these ones I love their looks!

EDIT: wait you said you had them for 10 years, any repairs done to them?

Bone stock.  They sound awesome.
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: bazemk1979 on Sun, 18 October 2015, 23:21:19
wow dude the Venturi are the same as the as the 65B quality sound and same quality bass, I couldn't even tell if there was much power wise difference even though the 65B is rated at 330W.... I will need to google them both and look for bunch of pictures because at this point its only about the looks and nothing else, since I don't need the subwoofer the price don't matter paying more for the 65B. But a little more picture googleing and I should be making my decision.

Someone on another forum recommended these speakers http://www.amazon.com/Audioengine-Powered-Book-Shelf-Speakers/dp/B005OA3BSY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1445228021&sr=8-1&keywords=a5+speakers, but they are around $400 for pair, they probably are good and they are self powered, but from what I have heard BIC sounds awesome,good warranty and you just told me you have been using them for 10 years headache free, at this point BIC is a no brainer to me, and I appreciate introducing me to them and much appreciate the videos you posted :)

I liked the Logitech, but after 2 years of usage the satellites are crackling, might be just needed to glue down the speaker but who knows, they did good job and I have spent around $250 for 2 sets of Z2300 in 5-6 years time ( not including they sent me one set as a replacement because it was still under warranty, so that makes it 3 sets in 5-6 years). I think I'm ready to spend $300 for something that will last me 10 years or more and I will enjoy more music,movies and gaming.
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Snowdog993 on Sun, 18 October 2015, 23:36:02
wow dude the Venturi are the same as the as the 65B quality sound and same quality bass, I couldn't even tell if there was much power wise difference even though the 65B is rated at 330W.... I will need to google them both and look for bunch of pictures because at this point its only about the looks and nothing else, since I don't need the subwoofer the price don't matter paying more for the 65B. But a little more picture googleing and I should be making my decision.

Someone on another forum recommended these speakers http://www.amazon.com/Audioengine-Powered-Book-Shelf-Speakers/dp/B005OA3BSY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1445228021&sr=8-1&keywords=a5+speakers, but they are around $400 for pair, they probably are good and they are self powered, but from what I have heard BIC sounds awesome,good warranty and you just told me you have been using them for 10 years headache free, at this point BIC is a no brainer to me, and I appreciate introducing me to them and much appreciate the videos you posted :)

I liked the Logitech, but after 2 years of usage the satellites are crackling, might be just needed to glue down the speaker but who knows, they did good job and I have spent around $250 for 2 sets of Z2300 in 5-6 years time ( not including they sent me one set as a replacement because it was still under warranty, so that makes it 3 sets in 5-6 years). I think I'm ready to spend $300 for something that will last me 10 years or more and I will enjoy more music,movies and gaming.

Yeah but I am unsure if BIC even makes the V52's any longer.  Yeah, I gave a second thought about the videos I posted, I don't need problems with copyright infringement even though it's a recording of a recording being played through them for demo purposes.  I'm glad you saw it.

I'm pretty sure the speakers may be closer to 20 years old by now, time flies.

Even so, they are strong as ever.  The V62's (DV62si) are even better.  Just letting you know....
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: bazemk1979 on Mon, 19 October 2015, 00:46:16
thanks dude, don't matter now which model I choose, all I know is you posting that video after using B.I.C brand for almost 20 years, at this point don't matter which model I choose, only matters that I'm choosing the B.I.C brand. Making my choice between them both will be only which one appeals more looks wise. Thank a lot dude :)
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Snowdog993 on Mon, 19 October 2015, 00:50:31
thanks dude, don't matter now which model I choose, all I know is you posting that video after using B.I.C brand for almost 20 years, at this point don't matter which model I choose, only matters that I'm choosing the B.I.C brand. Making my choice between them both will be only which one appeals more looks wise. Thank a lot dude :)

You bet!  I am more than happy with mine, and I am sure you will be happy with yours for years to come!
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 19 October 2015, 05:24:42
Don't even think about amps unltil you thought about getting away from Motherboard electricals.

You need something with optical out (toslink)

I don't even want to us HDMI audio

My PC uses so much power and it's eletrically noisy as ****.


I've not found ANY WAY of reducing the noise floor on these gaming motherboards,  they're simply not designed for audio.

The only way is toslink to receiver or toslink to separate  DAC+amp.

He told us what his sound card is!
HT Omega CLARO Plus+
If he wants to use analog, he certainly can!


NO, he CAN NOT..

unless he's running it on a low power PC, doesn't matter how good the sound card is,  STILL noisy.
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Snowdog993 on Mon, 19 October 2015, 08:15:45
Don't even think about amps unltil you thought about getting away from Motherboard electricals.

You need something with optical out (toslink)

I don't even want to us HDMI audio

My PC uses so much power and it's eletrically noisy as ****.


I've not found ANY WAY of reducing the noise floor on these gaming motherboards,  they're simply not designed for audio.

The only way is toslink to receiver or toslink to separate  DAC+amp.

He told us what his sound card is!
HT Omega CLARO Plus+
If he wants to use analog, he certainly can!


NO, he CAN NOT..

unless he's running it on a low power PC, doesn't matter how good the sound card is,  STILL noisy.

Okay.  I'm glad to hear it.
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Oobly on Tue, 20 October 2015, 03:37:03
That Yamaha receiver doesn't have a subwoofer out, only two 100W outs. I think the JBL ES20's and the Yamaha R-S201 is a reasonable combination (and you really don't need a subwoofer with good two or three way cabinets), but a pair of FH65's would be even better. The FH65's are much more sensitive, so you don't need to give as much power to get them really pumping and the clarity and dynamic range are very good.

Don't even think about amps unltil you thought about getting away from Motherboard electricals.

You need something with optical out (toslink)

I don't even want to us HDMI audio

My PC uses so much power and it's eletrically noisy as ****.


I've not found ANY WAY of reducing the noise floor on these gaming motherboards,  they're simply not designed for audio.

The only way is toslink to receiver or toslink to separate  DAC+amp.

He told us what his sound card is!
HT Omega CLARO Plus+
If he wants to use analog, he certainly can!


NO, he CAN NOT..

unless he's running it on a low power PC, doesn't matter how good the sound card is,  STILL noisy.

You can't assume his rig behaves the same as yours... If the card has good shielding, good supply components and decent buffers it can give clean audio out.

Of course it's a lot easier to get a clean signal from an external DAC, especially with an electrically isolated system (optical link).

With that in mind, you'd get the best audio from a receiver that has an optical in (using a TOSLINK optical out from your soundcard) and a good internal DAC. The Yamaha doesn't seem to have this, but you can find very nice stereo receivers that do second hand for good prices.

IMHO, I think you'll be fine with RCA's from your Claro Plus+ to the Yamaha. A good amp and speakers will make the noise more noticable if it is there, though. Point is, you've already paid for a sound card with good DAC's and opamps, be shame not to make use of it.

Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Snowdog993 on Tue, 20 October 2015, 04:28:28
That Yamaha receiver doesn't have a subwoofer out, only two 100W outs. I think the JBL ES20's and the Yamaha R-S201 is a reasonable combination (and you really don't need a subwoofer with good two or three way cabinets), but a pair of FH65's would be even better. The FH65's are much more sensitive, so you don't need to give as much power to get them really pumping and the clarity and dynamic range are very good.

Don't even think about amps unltil you thought about getting away from Motherboard electricals.

You need something with optical out (toslink)

I don't even want to us HDMI audio

My PC uses so much power and it's eletrically noisy as ****.


I've not found ANY WAY of reducing the noise floor on these gaming motherboards,  they're simply not designed for audio.

The only way is toslink to receiver or toslink to separate  DAC+amp.

He told us what his sound card is!
HT Omega CLARO Plus+
If he wants to use analog, he certainly can!


NO, he CAN NOT..

unless he's running it on a low power PC, doesn't matter how good the sound card is,  STILL noisy.

You can't assume his rig behaves the same as yours... If the card has good shielding, good supply components and decent buffers it can give clean audio out.

Of course it's a lot easier to get a clean signal from an external DAC, especially with an electrically isolated system (optical link).

With that in mind, you'd get the best audio from a receiver that has an optical in (using a TOSLINK optical out from your soundcard) and a good internal DAC. The Yamaha doesn't seem to have this, but you can find very nice stereo receivers that do second hand for good prices.

IMHO, I think you'll be fine with RCA's from your Claro Plus+ to the Yamaha. A good amp and speakers will make the noise more noticable if it is there, though. Point is, you've already paid for a sound card with good DAC's and opamps, be shame not to make use of it.

Yeah, and if the decision that he wants to go with the amplified subwoofer ever gets in the picture, he still can.

(http://i.imgur.com/Ny0z0zp.jpg)

It's best to go with a variable volume, and the amplified subs allow you to go from the speaker outs to a pass through to your speakers.  As shown in the picture here.
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: bazemk1979 on Wed, 21 October 2015, 20:24:51
Ok let me get this straight so I can have it little clear in my head regarding the cable connections. Lets assume that none of the bookshelf speakers come with any wires nor the subwoofer, although I would think the Sub should come with red and white RCA Cable that are attached together correct?

Im lost when it comes to this.... So here is the main question since I want to go 2.1 set up.... 

Step 1: Red and black wire from RIGHT speaker to red and black connection of the subwoofer RIGHT speaker section.

Step 2: Red and black wire from LEFT speaker to red and black connection of the subwoofer LEFT speaker section.

Step 3: Subwoofer "To receiver" section RCA red and black RIGHT to red and white Amplifier LINE 1? ( red-red, white-black?)

Step 4: Subwoofer "To receiver" section RCA red and black LEFT to red and white Amplifier LINE 1? ( red-red, white-black?)

Step 5: ????????????? 

If I got things so far right the only thing left from the sub is the Line in, and from the amplifier the CD section which I guess it does nor concern me... then left is line 3 with REC and PB section? So WTF... then from where I connect the split RCA to 3.5mm from the Amplifier to the PC Auxilary port???? Oh men this is messed up and confusing. Makes me wanna just back out on the whole upgrade, I have looked on the internet and not 1 straight answer regarding how to hook passive speakers with amplified sub to amplifier to PC. Not 1 straight answer step by step....!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: bazemk1979 on Wed, 21 October 2015, 21:34:13
Im really leaning towards this set up after thinking little bit more about my desk space, wanted to go big with  $200 BIC speakers and later down the road add the FH-12 BIC subwoofer, but now that I reconsidered desk space and keeping my hearing in decent shape I'm leaning towards this set up and gets good reviews, and the speakers sound really good after watching some youtube videos, not changing the Yamaha receiver though.


https://www.parts-express.com/dayton-audio-sub-800-8-80-watt-powered-subwoofer--300-627

https://www.parts-express.com/dayton-audio-b652-air-6-1-2-2-way-bookshelf-speaker-with-amt-tweeter-pair--300-651

https://www.parts-express.com/yamaha-r-s201-stereo-receiver-100-watts-per-channel--312-208

I'm keeping faithful  to whatever you guys said about the amplifier, Yamaha or nothing... you guys said even if other receivers that are small in size get good reviews they don't tend to last more than 1-2 years, so yes I rather pay more for the Yamaha and looks by the reviews the Dayton speakers get praised a lot and the 8" sub gets lots of praise too for smaller setup such Desktops or small living rooms Entertainment centers. Also Dayton gives 5 years warranty and price is not bad at all..... I know there is much better out there but this is for a desk setup and the room is the typical 12x12 room size...

If I would of gone with the BIC America big boys I might of regretted it.Yamaha recommends  8ohm speakers for the Amplifier, The Dayton are 6 ohm, will that be a problem?

Any ways if we can go back to topic, the whole connection Speakers>Subwoofer>Amplifier>PC is little confusing to me, SnowDog can you shed some light please, thanks.
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Snowdog993 on Wed, 21 October 2015, 21:46:04
Ok let me get this straight so I can have it little clear in my head regarding the cable connections. Lets assume that none of the bookshelf speakers come with any wires nor the subwoofer, although I would think the Sub should come with red and white RCA Cable that are attached together correct?

Im lost when it comes to this.... So here is the main question since I want to go 2.1 set up.... 

Step 1: Red and black wire from RIGHT speaker to red and black connection of the subwoofer RIGHT speaker section.

Step 2: Red and black wire from LEFT speaker to red and black connection of the subwoofer LEFT speaker section.

Step 3: Subwoofer "To receiver" section RCA red and black RIGHT to red and white Amplifier LINE 1? ( red-red, white-black?)

Step 4: Subwoofer "To receiver" section RCA red and black LEFT to red and white Amplifier LINE 1? ( red-red, white-black?)

Step 5: ????????????? 

If I got things so far right the only thing left from the sub is the Line in, and from the amplifier the CD section which I guess it does nor concern me... then left is line 3 with REC and PB section? So WTF... then from where I connect the split RCA to 3.5mm from the Amplifier to the PC Auxilary port???? Oh men this is messed up and confusing. Makes me wanna just back out on the whole upgrade, I have looked on the internet and not 1 straight answer regarding how to hook passive speakers with amplified sub to amplifier to PC. Not 1 straight answer step by step....!!!!!!!!!!

If you decide to go with the subwoofer this is how it goes
Step 1:
Run speaker wire from left and right outputs from Receiver to Receiver INPUT on the subwoofer.

Step 2:
Instead of hooking up the speakers to the Receiver, you hook them up to the subwoofer OUTPUT to the speakers.

The signal from the receiver is sent to the subwoofer and the speakers.  The subwoofer output is controlled with a gain control (LEVEL) to make it equalize to the sound level of your speakers.

So the path goes like this...

Receiver Left and Right speaker outs (Black and Red) >----> Subwoofer INPUT (Black and Red)
Subwoofer output (Black and Red) "to speakers"  >----> Speakers (Black and Red)

It's easy to tell the Red from Black if you get speaker wire that is Silver and Copper colored.  I use Silver for Black and Copper for Red.

That's all.  Nothing complicated.
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: bazemk1979 on Wed, 21 October 2015, 22:42:39
I will post pictures of both the amplifier and the back of the subwoofer and I have few more questions.

1. L+R (white and red wire) from Amplifier to Subwoofer Amplifier Section (like in the sub picture)

2. L+R (white and red wire) from Subwoofer HI-Fi speaker section to the Speakers itself

3. From where on the Amplifier do I run  the  RCA-3.5mm split cable that goes to the PC sound card Aux port? There are  5 options, CD, Line 1, Line 2, Line 3 PB , Line 3 REC???? Which one? lol

Question:

The Dayton speakers are rated at 6 ohm, but I read up under Q&A at parts express that some people said Yamaha recommends 8 ohm speakers. Will this be a problem?

Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Snowdog993 on Wed, 21 October 2015, 22:49:18
I will post pictures of both the amplifier and the back of the subwoofer and I have few more questions.

1. L+R (white and red wire) from Amplifier to Subwoofer Amplifier Section (like in the sub picture)

2. L+R (white and red wire) from Subwoofer HI-Fi speaker section to the Speakers itself

3. From where on the Amplifier do I run  the  RCA-3.5mm split cable that goes to the PC sound card Aux port? There are  5 options, CD, Line 1, Line 2, Line 3 PB , Line 3 REC???? Which one? lol

Question:

The Dayton speakers are rated at 6 ohm, but I read up under Q&A at parts express that some people said Yamaha recommends 8 ohm speakers. Will this be a problem?

Just use CD or Line 1  for the RCA jack.

I am presuming it is a Dayton Sub?  There is no problem with running it inline with your speakers.
You'll be fine.
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: bazemk1979 on Wed, 21 October 2015, 22:53:21
I will post pictures of both the amplifier and the back of the subwoofer and I have few more questions.

1. L+R (white and red wire) from Amplifier to Subwoofer Amplifier Section (like in the sub picture)

2. L+R (white and red wire) from Subwoofer HI-Fi speaker section to the Speakers itself

3. From where on the Amplifier do I run  the  RCA-3.5mm split cable that goes to the PC sound card Aux port? There are  5 options, CD, Line 1, Line 2, Line 3 PB , Line 3 REC???? Which one? lol

Question:

The Dayton speakers are rated at 6 ohm, but I read up under Q&A at parts express that some people said Yamaha recommends 8 ohm speakers. Will this be a problem?

Just use CD or Line 1  for the RCA jack.

I am presuming it is a Dayton Sub?  There is no problem with running it inline with your speakers.
You'll be fine.


Yes it will be the Dayton sub, here is the picture of the sub from the rear, I forgot to attach it earlier and the Yamaha just in case you need it, don't want you to break a nail scrolling up the page looking for the Amplifier pic lol
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 22 October 2015, 04:35:41
Im really leaning towards this set up after thinking little bit more about my desk space, wanted to go big with  $200 BIC speakers and later down the road add the FH-12 BIC subwoofer, but now that I reconsidered desk space and keeping my hearing in decent shape I'm leaning towards this set up and gets good reviews, and the speakers sound really good after watching some youtube videos, not changing the Yamaha receiver though.


https://www.parts-express.com/dayton-audio-sub-800-8-80-watt-powered-subwoofer--300-627

https://www.parts-express.com/dayton-audio-b652-air-6-1-2-2-way-bookshelf-speaker-with-amt-tweeter-pair--300-651

https://www.parts-express.com/yamaha-r-s201-stereo-receiver-100-watts-per-channel--312-208

I'm keeping faithful  to whatever you guys said about the amplifier, Yamaha or nothing... you guys said even if other receivers that are small in size get good reviews they don't tend to last more than 1-2 years, so yes I rather pay more for the Yamaha and looks by the reviews the Dayton speakers get praised a lot and the 8" sub gets lots of praise too for smaller setup such Desktops or small living rooms Entertainment centers. Also Dayton gives 5 years warranty and price is not bad at all..... I know there is much better out there but this is for a desk setup and the room is the typical 12x12 room size...

If I would of gone with the BIC America big boys I might of regretted it.Yamaha recommends  8ohm speakers for the Amplifier, The Dayton are 6 ohm, will that be a problem?

Any ways if we can go back to topic, the whole connection Speakers>Subwoofer>Amplifier>PC is little confusing to me, SnowDog can you shed some light please, thanks.

Okay... The Daytons are less sensitive than the FH65's and lower power rated. So they'll be quieter at a given power than the FH65s and thus need to be driven harder, but they can't handle as much. They're rated at less than half the max output of the Yamaha, so there's a much higher chance of damaging them if you (or someone else) pushes the volume a bit.

The FH65's are a better match, power-wise, to the Yamaha and are more efficient.

Cabinet / driver impedence is a very "dynamic" thing. It changes with frequency and temperature, but will be somewhere around the quoted figure most of the time. 6ohm cabinets will work fine with the Yamaha, but it may run just a tad hotter than with 8 ohm cabs.

If space really is the deciding factor for you, though, I would rather get these than the Daytons: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/Speakers/Pioneer+Speakers/SP-BS22-LR
With this sub: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/Speakers/Pioneer+Speakers/SW-8MK2

Better all round in terms of audio quality, similar sensitivity and power handling and not all that much more expensive. For the sub connections, you hook them in parallel to the speakers. So speaker out from the Yamaha goes to the speaker and sub for both channels.

If your budget is really limited then the Daytons are fine, but if you can afford it I'd go for the Pioneers or even better, the FH65's. With the FH65's I really don't think you'd even need the sub, either.

Establishing credentials for being qualified to advise:
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I actually run a slightly overpowered system for my music... A fEARful 15/6/1 with Eminence 3015LF, eighteensound 6ND410 mid, XD125 horn and my own design crossovers, driven by a Crown XLS1500. Busy building the second for stereo. Originally built for my bass guitar, but with the intention of being able to play full-range content and it does it beautifully. Also designed and built my own tube preamp for it, using 6SL7 tubes.
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Snowdog993 on Thu, 22 October 2015, 10:03:12
Im really leaning towards this set up after thinking little bit more about my desk space, wanted to go big with  $200 BIC speakers and later down the road add the FH-12 BIC subwoofer, but now that I reconsidered desk space and keeping my hearing in decent shape I'm leaning towards this set up and gets good reviews, and the speakers sound really good after watching some youtube videos, not changing the Yamaha receiver though.


https://www.parts-express.com/dayton-audio-sub-800-8-80-watt-powered-subwoofer--300-627

https://www.parts-express.com/dayton-audio-b652-air-6-1-2-2-way-bookshelf-speaker-with-amt-tweeter-pair--300-651

https://www.parts-express.com/yamaha-r-s201-stereo-receiver-100-watts-per-channel--312-208

I'm keeping faithful  to whatever you guys said about the amplifier, Yamaha or nothing... you guys said even if other receivers that are small in size get good reviews they don't tend to last more than 1-2 years, so yes I rather pay more for the Yamaha and looks by the reviews the Dayton speakers get praised a lot and the 8" sub gets lots of praise too for smaller setup such Desktops or small living rooms Entertainment centers. Also Dayton gives 5 years warranty and price is not bad at all..... I know there is much better out there but this is for a desk setup and the room is the typical 12x12 room size...

If I would of gone with the BIC America big boys I might of regretted it.Yamaha recommends  8ohm speakers for the Amplifier, The Dayton are 6 ohm, will that be a problem?

Any ways if we can go back to topic, the whole connection Speakers>Subwoofer>Amplifier>PC is little confusing to me, SnowDog can you shed some light please, thanks.

Okay... The Daytons are less sensitive than the FH65's and lower power rated. So they'll be quieter at a given power than the FH65s and thus need to be driven harder, but they can't handle as much. They're rated at less than half the max output of the Yamaha, so there's a much higher chance of damaging them if you (or someone else) pushes the volume a bit.

The FH65's are a better match, power-wise, to the Yamaha and are more efficient.

Cabinet / driver impedence is a very "dynamic" thing. It changes with frequency and temperature, but will be somewhere around the quoted figure most of the time. 6ohm cabinets will work fine with the Yamaha, but it may run just a tad hotter than with 8 ohm cabs.

If space really is the deciding factor for you, though, I would rather get these than the Daytons: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/Speakers/Pioneer+Speakers/SP-BS22-LR
With this sub: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/Speakers/Pioneer+Speakers/SW-8MK2

Better all round in terms of audio quality, similar sensitivity and power handling and not all that much more expensive. For the sub connections, you hook them in parallel to the speakers. So speaker out from the Yamaha goes to the speaker and sub for both channels.

If your budget is really limited then the Daytons are fine, but if you can afford it I'd go for the Pioneers or even better, the FH65's. With the FH65's I really don't think you'd even need the sub, either.

Establishing credentials for being qualified to advise:
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I actually run a slightly overpowered system for my music... A fEARful 15/6/1 with Eminence 3015LF, eighteensound 6ND410 mid, XD125 horn and my own design crossovers, driven by a Crown XLS1500. Busy building the second for stereo. Originally built for my bass guitar, but with the intention of being able to play full-range content and it does it beautifully. Also designed and built my own tube preamp for it, using 6SL7 tubes.

I thought that he would only go with the Dayton subwoofer.  I guess he has to match everything to everything?  I believe that it would probably be better if he went BIC for the speakers.
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: bazemk1979 on Thu, 22 October 2015, 16:35:16
here is how the Dayton speakers sound, you be the judge <iframe width="560" height="315" src="
frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

EDIT: After going back and forth with you dudes and thinking it over, I just might be at square 1 with the Yamaha and BIC FH-65 and no need for subwoofer,possibly later. The reason why I steered off from this option was not the desktop space, space is enough considering there wont be subwoofer added. Reason why I backed out on the FH-65 is because of a reviewer on youtube that said don't use them as desktop speakers!  He said even if you listen on them on low/normal sound level will make your ears bleed regardless, I think he said that was the case because them being 96db sensitive the highs will screw up your hearing if you are not at least 4-5 feet away from them no matter the sound level. Honestly that got my head scratching because come on, if you listen to normal volume how can that do any damage too the ears??? Don't make sense but it backed me off from the game plan of buying them.

Funny thing it never even crossed my mind that I work in construction on daily basis where I use wet saws, grinders, big ass 3/4" 10 AMP drill's for mixing mud, table saws, miter saw and what not else and I'm yet to lose my hearing at age 35 working without any ear condoms hahaha
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: bazemk1979 on Fri, 23 October 2015, 00:07:41
Anyways I went and purchased the Yamaha & the BIC FH-65
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Snowdog993 on Fri, 23 October 2015, 00:26:21
Anyways I went and purchased the Yamaha & the BIC FH-65

Awesome!
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Oobly on Fri, 23 October 2015, 12:50:15
Anyways I went and purchased the Yamaha & the BIC FH-65

Awesome!

+1. I don't think you'll be disappointed. Should also be nice and easy to set up. A good, accurate setup like this, from a good sound card with nice DACs and opamps really makes a difference to how you experience audio. With lossless audio source files you can hear EVERYTHING.
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: bazemk1979 on Fri, 23 October 2015, 21:42:55
Anyways I went and purchased the Yamaha & the BIC FH-65

Awesome!

+1. I don't think you'll be disappointed. Should also be nice and easy to set up. A good, accurate setup like this, from a good sound card with nice DACs and opamps really makes a difference to how you experience audio. With lossless audio source files you can hear EVERYTHING.

Thanks dude, I think I'll be happy with the setup, 60% more price wise then the Logitech Z2300/Z623  setup or 35% more price wise then Corsair SP2500, but I'm sure it will be worth it considering quality sound and longevity of the product. Now I know I cant say the bass will be better vs the Logitech and Corsair setups, but I don't mind considering from what I heard the bass is decent and the sound is pretty awesome for a stand alone speakers.
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Snowdog993 on Fri, 23 October 2015, 22:43:04
We'll see.  Subwoofer, what's that?
*chuckle*
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Kola93 on Sun, 25 October 2015, 23:27:43
The JBL LSR line is quite good. It is a lot better than any other setup in its price range that I have heard.

I use a pair of LSR305 matched with a LSR310S. Highly recommended. ^-^
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: bazemk1979 on Mon, 26 October 2015, 09:29:11
The JBL LSR line is quite good. It is a lot better than any other setup in its price range that I have heard.

I use a pair of LSR305 matched with a LSR310S. Highly recommended. ^-^

The LSR set up with the receiver would of set me somewhere $800-$900. Now speaking of moneys, I would pay even more! not for the LSR setup, but for the twinkie dog in your sig LOL
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Zaskar on Mon, 26 October 2015, 17:17:55
Ive found the best thing you can do for PC sound is to forget it has onboard sound entirely (And definitely don't get an aftermarket soundcard) and get a USB DAC. This only works for 2.1 but if thats all you need then a decent USB DAC/Amp is the way to go.

I have never seen a soundcard since the end of the PCI days that managed to isolate itself enough from the rest of the PC's power to not hear a hum in the background when using analogue out. The hum will usually rise and fall with the soundcards power draw.

If you need 5.1/7.1 then the optical out should be fine, it comes close to bypassing the card entirely and uses the DAC on the amp.
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: bazemk1979 on Mon, 26 October 2015, 17:47:30
Ive found the best thing you can do for PC sound is to forget it has onboard sound entirely (And definitely don't get an aftermarket soundcard) and get a USB DAC. This only works for 2.1 but if thats all you need then a decent USB DAC/Amp is the way to go.

I have never seen a soundcard since the end of the PCI days that managed to isolate itself enough from the rest of the PC's power to not hear a hum in the background when using analogue out. The hum will usually rise and fall with the soundcards power draw.

If you need 5.1/7.1 then the optical out should be fine, it comes close to bypassing the card entirely and uses the DAC on the amp.

the setup will be 2.0 for now, not sure if I will begetting subwoofer later on. I have been having the sound card for quite some time, before I just jump into spending any more for DAC or whatever is that one for... I already purchased and gave 150 for Amplifier, what DAC is suppose to do for me? I mean I used the sound card with the Logitech  2.1 and experienced no hums or whatever your speaking of...  Is the DAC for using headset and get better sound? I don't care about that, just care about the speakers.
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Zaskar on Mon, 26 October 2015, 18:39:04
Pretty much what using a digital out from your soundcard would do,  except it completely eliminates the need for built in sound, you could disable it in bios and remove the driver.

In either setup you would be using an external DAC (Digital to Analogue Converter) instead of relying on the soundcard itself to do that, which is where it usually picks up interference from your other components.

Its possible it has all been bad luck though. Its easy enough to test, run a graphic intensive test/game with its sound off and listen close to the speakers/headphones with it cranked up, if you hear pure silence then your fine, if you hear background noise that rises and lowers with the graphical load then you probably want to use a external DAC.
I don't remember this happening for my old PCI cards, but I don't know if it was because something about that interface was better for soundcards, or if it was because it was the only thing using it, since Video was AGP.
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: bazemk1979 on Mon, 26 October 2015, 21:17:02
Pretty much what using a digital out from your soundcard would do,  except it completely eliminates the need for built in sound, you could disable it in bios and remove the driver.

In either setup you would be using an external DAC (Digital to Analogue Converter) instead of relying on the soundcard itself to do that, which is where it usually picks up interference from your other components.

Its possible it has all been bad luck though. Its easy enough to test, run a graphic intensive test/game with its sound off and listen close to the speakers/headphones with it cranked up, if you hear pure silence then your fine, if you hear background noise that rises and lowers with the graphical load then you probably want to use a external DAC.
I don't remember this happening for my old PCI cards, but I don't know if it was because something about that interface was better for soundcards, or if it was because it was the only thing using it, since Video was AGP.

seems that you have better knowledge than I do when it comes to sound peripherals, Before I build my first PC I had bought a PC from a website where they put them together for you and I noticed that specially in game the onboard sound sometimes tend to be glitch and sort of mess up with the game experience. So after I sold that PC and I ended up building my own I decided to go with whatever SC has best reviews and recommendations.

Turned out that the HT|Omega Claro + had the most and the best reviews from all brands out there, yes even put ASUS high end cards to shame, on top of it for my luck it was on sale while I was researching so it went from 200 to 100 for period of time for 24 hrs, so I bought it. I have never experienced any problems with it, here is the link of the SC http://www.htomega.com/claroplus.html, read up the specs and tell me what you think in genereal about it, another sale for me on that card that it used only Japanese capacitors.

I will do the test that you said, but problem is it turned out that the Yamaha amplifier is on its way and the speakers are on back order... bummer... I will give them a week and see if they can get them in stock, if not ill cancel the order, get them from else where and then I can do the testing. Shame I already received the spool wire, the RCA to 3.5mm Y cable, Yami is on its way but speakers are on back order.... and their site said they had more then 10 in stock...
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Snowdog993 on Mon, 26 October 2015, 21:31:01
Pretty much what using a digital out from your soundcard would do,  except it completely eliminates the need for built in sound, you could disable it in bios and remove the driver.

In either setup you would be using an external DAC (Digital to Analogue Converter) instead of relying on the soundcard itself to do that, which is where it usually picks up interference from your other components.

Its possible it has all been bad luck though. Its easy enough to test, run a graphic intensive test/game with its sound off and listen close to the speakers/headphones with it cranked up, if you hear pure silence then your fine, if you hear background noise that rises and lowers with the graphical load then you probably want to use a external DAC.
I don't remember this happening for my old PCI cards, but I don't know if it was because something about that interface was better for soundcards, or if it was because it was the only thing using it, since Video was AGP.

seems that you have better knowledge than I do when it comes to sound peripherals, Before I build my first PC I had bought a PC from a website where they put them together for you and I noticed that specially in game the onboard sound sometimes tend to be glitch and sort of mess up with the game experience. So after I sold that PC and I ended up building my own I decided to go with whatever SC has best reviews and recommendations.

Turned out that the HT|Omega Claro + had the most and the best reviews from all brands out there, yes even put ASUS high end cards to shame, on top of it for my luck it was on sale while I was researching so it went from 200 to 100 for period of time for 24 hrs, so I bought it. I have never experienced any problems with it, here is the link of the SC http://www.htomega.com/claroplus.html, read up the specs and tell me what you think in genereal about it, another sale for me on that card that it used only Japanese capacitors.

I will do the test that you said, but problem is it turned out that the Yamaha amplifier is on its way and the speakers are on back order... bummer... I will give them a week and see if they can get them in stock, if not ill cancel the order, get them from else where and then I can do the testing. Shame I already received the spool wire, the RCA to 3.5mm Y cable, Yami is on its way but speakers are on back order.... and their site said they had more then 10 in stock...

Hang in there!  You'll be just fine as long as you stick with your plan.
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: bazemk1979 on Mon, 26 October 2015, 22:21:56
Pretty much what using a digital out from your soundcard would do,  except it completely eliminates the need for built in sound, you could disable it in bios and remove the driver.

In either setup you would be using an external DAC (Digital to Analogue Converter) instead of relying on the soundcard itself to do that, which is where it usually picks up interference from your other components.

Its possible it has all been bad luck though. Its easy enough to test, run a graphic intensive test/game with its sound off and listen close to the speakers/headphones with it cranked up, if you hear pure silence then your fine, if you hear background noise that rises and lowers with the graphical load then you probably want to use a external DAC.
I don't remember this happening for my old PCI cards, but I don't know if it was because something about that interface was better for soundcards, or if it was because it was the only thing using it, since Video was AGP.

seems that you have better knowledge than I do when it comes to sound peripherals, Before I build my first PC I had bought a PC from a website where they put them together for you and I noticed that specially in game the onboard sound sometimes tend to be glitch and sort of mess up with the game experience. So after I sold that PC and I ended up building my own I decided to go with whatever SC has best reviews and recommendations.

Turned out that the HT|Omega Claro + had the most and the best reviews from all brands out there, yes even put ASUS high end cards to shame, on top of it for my luck it was on sale while I was researching so it went from 200 to 100 for period of time for 24 hrs, so I bought it. I have never experienced any problems with it, here is the link of the SC http://www.htomega.com/claroplus.html, read up the specs and tell me what you think in genereal about it, another sale for me on that card that it used only Japanese capacitors.

I will do the test that you said, but problem is it turned out that the Yamaha amplifier is on its way and the speakers are on back order... bummer... I will give them a week and see if they can get them in stock, if not ill cancel the order, get them from else where and then I can do the testing. Shame I already received the spool wire, the RCA to 3.5mm Y cable, Yami is on its way but speakers are on back order.... and their site said they had more then 10 in stock...

Hang in there!  You'll be just fine as long as you stick with your plan.


Thanks bro, its what I intend to do :)
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: bazemk1979 on Fri, 06 November 2015, 21:15:53
Ok so I received everything and everything is set up, love the way it sounds, way wayyyyy better than the Logitech Z2300 I had before. It will take a while till I break in the speakers cause I don't have much time to use them but considering how they sound from the get go, I'm impressed. I actually got a chance the weekend to play them back to back at best buy pinning them against $500 PSB,Klipsch and NHT bookshelf speakers and they were on par, I noticed no difference in sound quality. The only difference is that the BIC is $300 cheaper and offers 3-4 years longer warranty vs the Klipsch, PSB and NHT....

Here is a picture where one is with the cover and the other one is without, as far as size goes use your imagination, PS the monitor in between the speakers is 27" lol
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Snowdog993 on Fri, 06 November 2015, 21:21:16
Ok so I received everything and everything is set up, love the way it sounds, way wayyyyy better than the Logitech Z2300 I had before. It will take a while till I break in the speakers cause I don't have much time to use them but considering how they sound from the get go, I'm impressed. I actually got a chance the weekend to play them back to back at best buy pinning them against $500 PSB,Klipsch and NHT bookshelf speakers and they were on par, I noticed no difference in sound quality. The only difference is that the BIC is $300 cheaper and offers 3-4 years longer warranty vs the Klipsch, PSB and NHT....

Here is a picture where one is with the cover and the other one is without, as far as size goes use your imagination, PS the monitor in between the speakers is 27" lol

I can actually feel sorry for those boys at Best Buy.  They probably wanted them too!
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: aznairjordan on Mon, 09 November 2015, 20:14:56
I paid good bucks for that sound card so I don't have to use the mobo sound card. So far this is what looks to be on my list and if I'm missing anything that I need to include on the order please let me know, would hate to have to run to Best Buy as last minute notice....


 Speakers: http://www.amazon.com/JBL-ES20-Books...2%3A2661618011

 Subwoofer: http://www.amazon.com/JBL-ES150PBK-3...ct_top?ie=UTF8

 Amplifier: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F0H88SY?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

 RCA to 3.5mm split cable: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000067RBT?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

As far as the speaker sound quality goes, I saw a video of the MAudio compared to the JBL, and while the MAudio being triple the price more than the JBL the difference was minimal in quality, but I think big role for me plays the overall look of the JBL components.

Your speaker links don't work.  I am supposing you are saying the JBL ES-20 bookshelf speakers with the JBL ES150PBK subwoofer.  And my suggestion was the BIC Venturi BICDV62SIB with the V1020 or V1220 subwoofer.

Let's see: JBL ES-20's are 104.95 for the pair
               BIC Venturi BICDV62SIB are 131.73 for the pair.
Subwoofer:  JBL ES150PBK subwoofer is 139.95 with a 10" woofer
                  BIC V1020 is 163.09 with a 10" woofer.
So the price difference is $244.90 for the JBL speaker system and $294.82 for the Venturi system.

Difference: $49.92

Almost $50 price difference.  The Venturi system is about $50 more, but infinitely better sounding.

What's even nicer is the fact that you can get the bookshelf speakers standalone, and they sound astounding on their own.  The subwoofer can come later!  I am that serious!

Of course if aesthetics are what you decided on, you have already made your choice.

Edit: You might find a better deal if you look around.
       The Venturis outperform most speakers costing more than double the price.  But this is my opinion, and you can look at reviews and audiophile sites all over the internet, and decide for yourself.
If I didn't believe in the Venturi's I wouldn't recommend them!  Especially with a 7-year warranty!

forgive me.. I am a total noob at this. I bought the venturi speakers you recommended but now I don't know how I'm supposed to connect it to my computer. Do I need to buy an amplifier just to be able to use them? What cables do I need to get started?
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Badwrench on Mon, 09 November 2015, 21:25:09
I paid good bucks for that sound card so I don't have to use the mobo sound card. So far this is what looks to be on my list and if I'm missing anything that I need to include on the order please let me know, would hate to have to run to Best Buy as last minute notice....


 Speakers: http://www.amazon.com/JBL-ES20-Books...2%3A2661618011

 Subwoofer: http://www.amazon.com/JBL-ES150PBK-3...ct_top?ie=UTF8

 Amplifier: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F0H88SY?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

 RCA to 3.5mm split cable: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000067RBT?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

As far as the speaker sound quality goes, I saw a video of the MAudio compared to the JBL, and while the MAudio being triple the price more than the JBL the difference was minimal in quality, but I think big role for me plays the overall look of the JBL components.

Your speaker links don't work.  I am supposing you are saying the JBL ES-20 bookshelf speakers with the JBL ES150PBK subwoofer.  And my suggestion was the BIC Venturi BICDV62SIB with the V1020 or V1220 subwoofer.

Let's see: JBL ES-20's are 104.95 for the pair
               BIC Venturi BICDV62SIB are 131.73 for the pair.
Subwoofer:  JBL ES150PBK subwoofer is 139.95 with a 10" woofer
                  BIC V1020 is 163.09 with a 10" woofer.
So the price difference is $244.90 for the JBL speaker system and $294.82 for the Venturi system.

Difference: $49.92

Almost $50 price difference.  The Venturi system is about $50 more, but infinitely better sounding.

What's even nicer is the fact that you can get the bookshelf speakers standalone, and they sound astounding on their own.  The subwoofer can come later!  I am that serious!

Of course if aesthetics are what you decided on, you have already made your choice.

Edit: You might find a better deal if you look around.
       The Venturis outperform most speakers costing more than double the price.  But this is my opinion, and you can look at reviews and audiophile sites all over the internet, and decide for yourself.
If I didn't believe in the Venturi's I wouldn't recommend them!  Especially with a 7-year warranty!

forgive me.. I am a total noob at this. I bought the venturi speakers you recommended but now I don't know how I'm supposed to connect it to my computer. Do I need to buy an amplifier just to be able to use them? What cables do I need to get started?

Yeah, you will need an amplifier to run them.  You could go cheap with a Lepai 2020A+ (http://www.amazon.com/Lepai-LP-2020A-Tripath-Class-T-Amplifier/dp/B0049P6OTI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1447125213&sr=8-2&keywords=amplifier), or for a full home audio receiver/amp.  Check CL for receivers.  There are ton of people letting go of their non-HDMI units for cheap.  Note that the Lepai will not allow you to add a sub in the future as it is only 2 channel. 

Quick scan of your area:
$20 Pioneer VSX511 (http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/ele/5296861841.html) - actually a very good receiver and a smoking deal @ $20. 
$50 Yamaha HTR-5100 (http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/ele/5290950189.html) - older unit, but still very solid.
$40 Sony STR-DE345 (http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/ele/5306289584.html) - also older, but very good for a basic 2.1 system with plenty of power. 
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Snowdog993 on Mon, 09 November 2015, 21:47:49
forgive me.. I am a total noob at this. I bought the venturi speakers you recommended but now I don't know how I'm supposed to connect it to my computer. Do I need to buy an amplifier just to be able to use them? What cables do I need to get started?

Yes you will need a separate amplifier for the speakers.  You could find a nice amplifier used as Badwrench suggested, or get a new amplifier.  I'd still recommend a Yamaha, but there are a wide variety of used amplifiers that will do the job nicely.  (Like the Pioneer in the list...)
Heck, you can even go to the Goodwill or Salvation Army (or any thrift store), and find a good deal on an amplifier.  If you do this, ask about their return policy.  Most thrift shops give you a 7 day exchange.
You will also need a 3.5 mm stereo jack to RCA adapter.  That will go from your computer to your amplifier.
That's about it.
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: aznairjordan on Mon, 09 November 2015, 22:06:14
forgive me.. I am a total noob at this. I bought the venturi speakers you recommended but now I don't know how I'm supposed to connect it to my computer. Do I need to buy an amplifier just to be able to use them? What cables do I need to get started?

Yes you will need a separate amplifier for the speakers.  You could find a nice amplifier used as Badwrench suggested, or get a new amplifier.  I'd still recommend a Yamaha, but there are a wide variety of used amplifiers that will do the job nicely.  (Like the Pioneer in the list...)
Heck, you can even go to the Goodwill or Salvation Army (or any thrift store), and find a good deal on an amplifier.  If you do this, ask about their return policy.  Most thrift shops give you a 7 day exchange.
You will also need a 3.5 mm stereo jack to RCA adapter.  That will go from your computer to your amplifier.
That's about it.


I paid good bucks for that sound card so I don't have to use the mobo sound card. So far this is what looks to be on my list and if I'm missing anything that I need to include on the order please let me know, would hate to have to run to Best Buy as last minute notice....


 Speakers: http://www.amazon.com/JBL-ES20-Books...2%3A2661618011

 Subwoofer: http://www.amazon.com/JBL-ES150PBK-3...ct_top?ie=UTF8

 Amplifier: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F0H88SY?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

 RCA to 3.5mm split cable: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000067RBT?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

As far as the speaker sound quality goes, I saw a video of the MAudio compared to the JBL, and while the MAudio being triple the price more than the JBL the difference was minimal in quality, but I think big role for me plays the overall look of the JBL components.

Your speaker links don't work.  I am supposing you are saying the JBL ES-20 bookshelf speakers with the JBL ES150PBK subwoofer.  And my suggestion was the BIC Venturi BICDV62SIB with the V1020 or V1220 subwoofer.

Let's see: JBL ES-20's are 104.95 for the pair
               BIC Venturi BICDV62SIB are 131.73 for the pair.
Subwoofer:  JBL ES150PBK subwoofer is 139.95 with a 10" woofer
                  BIC V1020 is 163.09 with a 10" woofer.
So the price difference is $244.90 for the JBL speaker system and $294.82 for the Venturi system.

Difference: $49.92

Almost $50 price difference.  The Venturi system is about $50 more, but infinitely better sounding.

What's even nicer is the fact that you can get the bookshelf speakers standalone, and they sound astounding on their own.  The subwoofer can come later!  I am that serious!

Of course if aesthetics are what you decided on, you have already made your choice.

Edit: You might find a better deal if you look around.
       The Venturis outperform most speakers costing more than double the price.  But this is my opinion, and you can look at reviews and audiophile sites all over the internet, and decide for yourself.
If I didn't believe in the Venturi's I wouldn't recommend them!  Especially with a 7-year warranty!

forgive me.. I am a total noob at this. I bought the venturi speakers you recommended but now I don't know how I'm supposed to connect it to my computer. Do I need to buy an amplifier just to be able to use them? What cables do I need to get started?

Yeah, you will need an amplifier to run them.  You could go cheap with a Lepai 2020A+ (http://www.amazon.com/Lepai-LP-2020A-Tripath-Class-T-Amplifier/dp/B0049P6OTI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1447125213&sr=8-2&keywords=amplifier), or for a full home audio receiver/amp.  Check CL for receivers.  There are ton of people letting go of their non-HDMI units for cheap.  Note that the Lepai will not allow you to add a sub in the future as it is only 2 channel. 

Quick scan of your area:
$20 Pioneer VSX511 (http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/ele/5296861841.html) - actually a very good receiver and a smoking deal @ $20. 
$50 Yamaha HTR-5100 (http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/ele/5290950189.html) - older unit, but still very solid.
$40 Sony STR-DE345 (http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/ele/5306289584.html) - also older, but very good for a basic 2.1 system with plenty of power. 

Thanks for your recommendations! In my panic to get everything running, I bought the lepai 2020a+ but I may try and upgrade it in the future. I thought it couldn't hurt to try out  for 27 bucks. I'm only trying to fill my 132? sq ft room with some sound so hopefully its okay for now. I'm actually down in Carlsbad now, but I will look on craigslist in the sd area to see if there are any options!
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: aznairjordan on Mon, 09 November 2015, 22:10:53
forgive me.. I am a total noob at this. I bought the venturi speakers you recommended but now I don't know how I'm supposed to connect it to my computer. Do I need to buy an amplifier just to be able to use them? What cables do I need to get started?

Yes you will need a separate amplifier for the speakers.  You could find a nice amplifier used as Badwrench suggested, or get a new amplifier.  I'd still recommend a Yamaha, but there are a wide variety of used amplifiers that will do the job nicely.  (Like the Pioneer in the list...)
Heck, you can even go to the Goodwill or Salvation Army (or any thrift store), and find a good deal on an amplifier.  If you do this, ask about their return policy.  Most thrift shops give you a 7 day exchange.
You will also need a 3.5 mm stereo jack to RCA adapter.  That will go from your computer to your amplifier.
That's about it.

I'm just getting into speakers in general, I have a pair of HD598s that I usually use for music :) How much would you suggest me saving up before looking into buying a new amplifier? Are there general brands that I could look for in thrift shops (Pioneer or otherwise)?

I got the 3.5 mm to RCA and some speaker wire so I think I'm set for now! Just have to see about upgrading the amp when I try out the lepai 2020a+
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: bazemk1979 on Mon, 09 November 2015, 22:11:48
I paid good bucks for that sound card so I don't have to use the mobo sound card. So far this is what looks to be on my list and if I'm missing anything that I need to include on the order please let me know, would hate to have to run to Best Buy as last minute notice....


 Speakers: http://www.amazon.com/JBL-ES20-Books...2%3A2661618011

 Subwoofer: http://www.amazon.com/JBL-ES150PBK-3...ct_top?ie=UTF8

 Amplifier: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00F0H88SY?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

 RCA to 3.5mm split cable: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000067RBT?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

As far as the speaker sound quality goes, I saw a video of the MAudio compared to the JBL, and while the MAudio being triple the price more than the JBL the difference was minimal in quality, but I think big role for me plays the overall look of the JBL components.

Your speaker links don't work.  I am supposing you are saying the JBL ES-20 bookshelf speakers with the JBL ES150PBK subwoofer.  And my suggestion was the BIC Venturi BICDV62SIB with the V1020 or V1220 subwoofer.

Let's see: JBL ES-20's are 104.95 for the pair
               BIC Venturi BICDV62SIB are 131.73 for the pair.
Subwoofer:  JBL ES150PBK subwoofer is 139.95 with a 10" woofer
                  BIC V1020 is 163.09 with a 10" woofer.
So the price difference is $244.90 for the JBL speaker system and $294.82 for the Venturi system.

Difference: $49.92

Almost $50 price difference.  The Venturi system is about $50 more, but infinitely better sounding.

What's even nicer is the fact that you can get the bookshelf speakers standalone, and they sound astounding on their own.  The subwoofer can come later!  I am that serious!

Of course if aesthetics are what you decided on, you have already made your choice.

Edit: You might find a better deal if you look around.
       The Venturis outperform most speakers costing more than double the price.  But this is my opinion, and you can look at reviews and audiophile sites all over the internet, and decide for yourself.
If I didn't believe in the Venturi's I wouldn't recommend them!  Especially with a 7-year warranty!

forgive me.. I am a total noob at this. I bought the venturi speakers you recommended but now I don't know how I'm supposed to connect it to my computer. Do I need to buy an amplifier just to be able to use them? What cables do I need to get started?

Just take Snowdog993 advices, he knows his stuff.  Im already thinking of going BIC RTR style for home theater set up.... Something tells me that pairing the EV15 speakers with EV1200 subwoofer will be a good match and will give me the 90's feeling + a 5.1 channel receiver so I can use 4 channels to feed both speakers since the are power hungry and are beampable, now I rather get 5.1 receiver and use 2 channels per each speaker to get the best sound out of them. But that would be in a not so distant future, and going with the RTR set up will leave me some spare moneys to add the F12 subwoofer to the PC set, not needed! but just for ****s and giggles LOL

Here are pics what I would choose for the RTR setup
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Snowdog993 on Mon, 09 November 2015, 22:21:42
I'm just getting into speakers in general, I have a pair of HD598s that I usually use for music :) How much would you suggest me saving up before looking into buying a new amplifier? Are there general brands that I could look for in thrift shops (Pioneer or otherwise)?

I got the 3.5 mm to RCA and some speaker wire so I think I'm set for now! Just have to see about upgrading the amp when I try out the lepai 2020a+

Well, if you are going new, you can figure to spend from around $100+ on up!  It really depends on what you're getting.

However, if you do find one second-hand, you could probably find something from around $20 to $60 or so.  If you stick with a good name-brand amplifier, you should be just fine.
Yamaha, Sony, JVC, Technics, Denon, Kenwood, Pioneer, Marantz, MCS Series, etc etc....  There are quite a few and the main thing you want to be sure of is that it works!
There are quite a few "outdated" amplifiers that actually outperform a lot of new amplifiers.
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: aznairjordan on Mon, 09 November 2015, 23:09:46
I'm just getting into speakers in general, I have a pair of HD598s that I usually use for music :) How much would you suggest me saving up before looking into buying a new amplifier? Are there general brands that I could look for in thrift shops (Pioneer or otherwise)?

I got the 3.5 mm to RCA and some speaker wire so I think I'm set for now! Just have to see about upgrading the amp when I try out the lepai 2020a+

Well, if you are going new, you can figure to spend from around $100+ on up!  It really depends on what you're getting.

However, if you do find one second-hand, you could probably find something from around $20 to $60 or so.  If you stick with a good name-brand amplifier, you should be just fine.
Yamaha, Sony, JVC, Technics, Denon, Kenwood, Pioneer, Marantz, MCS Series, etc etc....  There are quite a few and the main thing you want to be sure of is that it works!
There are quite a few "outdated" amplifiers that actually outperform a lot of new amplifiers.

sorry to be derailing the thread to ask my own questions.. If this is not okay, let me know and I can take it to PMs.

I found these on craigslist. Would they be good options?

https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/ele/5304664450.html
Technics SA-EX140

https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/ele/5301402477.html
Denon AVR810
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Badwrench on Mon, 09 November 2015, 23:45:30
I'm just getting into speakers in general, I have a pair of HD598s that I usually use for music :) How much would you suggest me saving up before looking into buying a new amplifier? Are there general brands that I could look for in thrift shops (Pioneer or otherwise)?

I got the 3.5 mm to RCA and some speaker wire so I think I'm set for now! Just have to see about upgrading the amp when I try out the lepai 2020a+

Well, if you are going new, you can figure to spend from around $100+ on up!  It really depends on what you're getting.

However, if you do find one second-hand, you could probably find something from around $20 to $60 or so.  If you stick with a good name-brand amplifier, you should be just fine.
Yamaha, Sony, JVC, Technics, Denon, Kenwood, Pioneer, Marantz, MCS Series, etc etc....  There are quite a few and the main thing you want to be sure of is that it works!
There are quite a few "outdated" amplifiers that actually outperform a lot of new amplifiers.

sorry to be derailing the thread to ask my own questions.. If this is not okay, let me know and I can take it to PMs.

I found these on craigslist. Would they be good options?

https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/ele/5304664450.html
Technics SA-EX140

https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/ele/5301402477.html
Denon AVR810

Both of those are a bit on the old side.  I would try to find something with optical in so that you can run a single optical cable and get true separation. 
This is a killer receiver - it can even do a second zone.  Denon AVR-2805 for $50 (https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/ele/5306404776.html)
This is also a great one:  Yamaha Rx-V657 for $45 (https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/ele/5304766253.html)

I am in Vista if you want to hear the difference between the 2 setups (I have the lepai in the garage with some 5" bookshelf speakers and a sony receiver with digital in to some 5.5" bookshelf speakers and an 8" energy sub). 
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Snowdog993 on Tue, 10 November 2015, 10:43:54
Both of those are a bit on the old side.  I would try to find something with optical in so that you can run a single optical cable and get true separation. 
This is a killer receiver - it can even do a second zone.  Denon AVR-2805 for $50 (https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/ele/5306404776.html)
This is also a great one:  Yamaha Rx-V657 for $45 (https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/ele/5304766253.html)

I am in Vista if you want to hear the difference between the 2 setups (I have the lepai in the garage with some 5" bookshelf speakers and a sony receiver with digital in to some 5.5" bookshelf speakers and an 8" energy sub).

The Denon AVR listing might say $50 but the seller is actually asking $125 for it.
The Yamaha says they cannot test?  What?  Maybe there is something broken on that one.
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Badwrench on Tue, 10 November 2015, 10:56:13
Both of those are a bit on the old side.  I would try to find something with optical in so that you can run a single optical cable and get true separation. 
This is a killer receiver - it can even do a second zone.  Denon AVR-2805 for $50 (https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/ele/5306404776.html)
This is also a great one:  Yamaha Rx-V657 for $45 (https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/ele/5304766253.html)

I am in Vista if you want to hear the difference between the 2 setups (I have the lepai in the garage with some 5" bookshelf speakers and a sony receiver with digital in to some 5.5" bookshelf speakers and an 8" energy sub).

The Denon AVR listing might say $50 but the seller is actually asking $125 for it.
The Yamaha says they cannot test?  What?  Maybe there is something broken on that one.
Oh, missed that on the denon, was a quickie search.  On the Sony, he said to bring a converter as he cant t plug it in at home.  Not sure why, but still pretty easy to test if you meet at starbucks or some place similar.  I was just doing a search for a max of $50 and looking for the units that support optical input.
Both of those are a bit on the old side.  I would try to find something with optical in so that you can run a single optical cable and get true separation. 
This is a killer receiver - it can even do a second zone.  Denon AVR-2805 for $50 (https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/ele/5306404776.html)
This is also a great one:  Yamaha Rx-V657 for $45 (https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/ele/5304766253.html)

I am in Vista if you want to hear the difference between the 2 setups (I have the lepai in the garage with some 5" bookshelf speakers and a sony receiver with digital in to some 5.5" bookshelf speakers and an 8" energy sub).

The Denon AVR listing might say $50 but the seller is actually asking $125 for it.
The Yamaha says they cannot test?  What?  Maybe there is something broken on that one.
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: aznairjordan on Tue, 10 November 2015, 14:07:59
I'm just getting into speakers in general, I have a pair of HD598s that I usually use for music :) How much would you suggest me saving up before looking into buying a new amplifier? Are there general brands that I could look for in thrift shops (Pioneer or otherwise)?

I got the 3.5 mm to RCA and some speaker wire so I think I'm set for now! Just have to see about upgrading the amp when I try out the lepai 2020a+

Well, if you are going new, you can figure to spend from around $100+ on up!  It really depends on what you're getting.

However, if you do find one second-hand, you could probably find something from around $20 to $60 or so.  If you stick with a good name-brand amplifier, you should be just fine.
Yamaha, Sony, JVC, Technics, Denon, Kenwood, Pioneer, Marantz, MCS Series, etc etc....  There are quite a few and the main thing you want to be sure of is that it works!
There are quite a few "outdated" amplifiers that actually outperform a lot of new amplifiers.

sorry to be derailing the thread to ask my own questions.. If this is not okay, let me know and I can take it to PMs.

I found these on craigslist. Would they be good options?

https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/ele/5304664450.html
Technics SA-EX140

https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/ele/5301402477.html
Denon AVR810

Both of those are a bit on the old side.  I would try to find something with optical in so that you can run a single optical cable and get true separation. 
This is a killer receiver - it can even do a second zone.  Denon AVR-2805 for $50 (https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/ele/5306404776.html)
This is also a great one:  Yamaha Rx-V657 for $45 (https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/ele/5304766253.html)

I am in Vista if you want to hear the difference between the 2 setups (I have the lepai in the garage with some 5" bookshelf speakers and a sony receiver with digital in to some 5.5" bookshelf speakers and an 8" energy sub).

oh whatt

I didn't know there were mech users so close to where I live. It seems like they are usually closer to the LA area. I got the lepai coming in on thursday so I can test it out but yeah I'd be down to see what your set up is. How much did your sony receiver set up cost including the speakers and sub?
Title: Re: PC sound upgrading with standalone subwoofer + speakers-Audiophiles input needed
Post by: Badwrench on Tue, 10 November 2015, 14:48:13
I'm just getting into speakers in general, I have a pair of HD598s that I usually use for music :) How much would you suggest me saving up before looking into buying a new amplifier? Are there general brands that I could look for in thrift shops (Pioneer or otherwise)?

I got the 3.5 mm to RCA and some speaker wire so I think I'm set for now! Just have to see about upgrading the amp when I try out the lepai 2020a+

Well, if you are going new, you can figure to spend from around $100+ on up!  It really depends on what you're getting.

However, if you do find one second-hand, you could probably find something from around $20 to $60 or so.  If you stick with a good name-brand amplifier, you should be just fine.
Yamaha, Sony, JVC, Technics, Denon, Kenwood, Pioneer, Marantz, MCS Series, etc etc....  There are quite a few and the main thing you want to be sure of is that it works!
There are quite a few "outdated" amplifiers that actually outperform a lot of new amplifiers.

sorry to be derailing the thread to ask my own questions.. If this is not okay, let me know and I can take it to PMs.

I found these on craigslist. Would they be good options?

https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/ele/5304664450.html
Technics SA-EX140

https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/ele/5301402477.html
Denon AVR810

Both of those are a bit on the old side.  I would try to find something with optical in so that you can run a single optical cable and get true separation. 
This is a killer receiver - it can even do a second zone.  Denon AVR-2805 for $50 (https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/ele/5306404776.html)
This is also a great one:  Yamaha Rx-V657 for $45 (https://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/ele/5304766253.html)

I am in Vista if you want to hear the difference between the 2 setups (I have the lepai in the garage with some 5" bookshelf speakers and a sony receiver with digital in to some 5.5" bookshelf speakers and an 8" energy sub).

oh whatt

I didn't know there were mech users so close to where I live. It seems like they are usually closer to the LA area. I got the lepai coming in on thursday so I can test it out but yeah I'd be down to see what your set up is. How much did your sony receiver set up cost including the speakers and sub?

I picked up the receiver on CL from a guy in LaCosta for $25 (older Sony DA30ES), Some Sony SS1000 bookshelf speakers from Amazon for $40, and the Energy 8" sub from CL for $25.  Total spent was $90.  Sounds pretty solid.  I also have some Dayton B652 speakers that have a little more base, but are a larger footprint on my desk so I stick with the Sony setup.  My garage setup is also a set of SS1000 that i picked up from CL for $10 hooked up to the Lepai. 

PM me any time to come on over.  I am home in the mornings and work in the evening.  Mondays and Tuesdays are best for me.