Post by: DJ Shoko on Tue, 07 April 2020, 04:29:43
Well, this interest check is probably way long overdue. I wanted to iron out new things like mouse mat art and more renders and whatnot before posting this, but with how difficult things has been financially and mentally for me and everyone else as of late. I figured at this rate that the group buy would never happen if I just waited on everything. But here it is, it exists and it will happen. This set originally ran at November 2018 and it barely made it the first time, and the colors will be the same as last time, but there will be a few changes to the kits. Note I do not have a definitive group buy date yet, but I'm thinking of somewhere after the whole quarantine ends involving the pandemic happening at the moment for sure.
Just a few things off the bat, yes the base kit has changed, but not too drastically I feel. The biggest change is the base kit is icon mods only and they are gonna use old icon mods. The kits are still subject to changes and additions, after all this is an interest check. I did originally plan to use Dixie Mods, but I kinda had a change of heart since I think for this particular set at least it fits better the more I thought about it and looked at it aaaaand the fact that MacSurfy did the renders in old icon mods.
Colors:
Pantone 656C
Pantone 5425C
GMK's TU4 (I'll update when I remember the actual Pantone they used)
I still don't exactly have many render images, but I do have the kits and a few of my photos of the set IRL.
All of the kits below (subject to minor changes):
Base Kit
This kit should cover all of the basic kits in question.
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/KvcpEHoi.jpg)
Hiragana Kit
This is an alphas kit with mono hiragana legends, comes with an extra こ for Alice and an extra tab for extra versatility. That extra こ was totally not forgotten and photoshopped in last minute, but it will be in the final kit.
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/hvWEhnxT.jpg)
Spacebar Kit
Just some good ol' extra spacebars for accents or split spacebars. Extra B for Alice Users.
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/YrQsiZI0.jpg)
Obscure Kits
For everything 40% mainly, but may cover other weird stuff.
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/Zsqiofyd.jpg)
Pics or renders:
MacSurfy's Renders
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/x6g0pe0h.jpg)
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/YU6YtKLJ.jpg)
M0LLY
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/Bt8Hztht.jpg)
J-02
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/V7s5lYVE.jpg)
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/v8FyCviu.jpg)
Iron165
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/sTsW9tHx.jpg)
910
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/dU7U1zvh.jpg)
Aanzee
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/Jd4elt6q.jpg)
HB60
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/nX69xh2L.jpg)
Doppelgänger
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/rfw6I0Yy)
Candybar
From the original run:
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Render of Alice by Janglad
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/DE5WGac2.jpg)
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/IfbKgtVc.jpg)
Pics by me (yeah not the best photographer)
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/BMlMKFaT.jpg)
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/VLQyx3qh.jpg)
Beautiful pic by Otanishock
(https://i.redd.it/jv73s1a3y4c31.jpg)
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/DE5WGac2.jpg)
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/IfbKgtVc.jpg)
Pics by me (yeah not the best photographer)
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/BMlMKFaT.jpg)
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/VLQyx3qh.jpg)
Beautiful pic by Otanishock
(https://i.redd.it/jv73s1a3y4c31.jpg)
Amazing pic from Emir
(https://i.imgur.com/xGgUf7Y.jpg)
Will update more pics when they come.
Planned Vendors:
NA: Kono
Asia: Ilumkb
AU: Daily Clack
EU: The Prototypist
CA: Deskhero
Possible questions:
Collabs?
Nothing at the moment concrete, but maaaybe you might see some custom switch or cable. Again, nothing concrete. Mouse mat art when/if I find an artist that I find suitable for the job and when I can afford it.
Why no text+icon like in R1?
While I still think Shoko looks nice with text+icon, I think icon only fits the colorway and theme more and should be the default. If there is enough demand for it, it may make its way as a separate kit. Same could be said about any type of mod kits really, including Dixie mods, Micons, or even Apple mods, but the OG icon mods will stay default and I will stay firm about that one at least.
Can I suggest something?
NO YOU CAN'T. Yeah of course you can, everything is subject to change.
Sublegends?
Nope, I think they feel too busy with a keyset like this.
Katakana?
Maybe for a 3rd Style instead, I definitely don't want to offer too many kits.
Why 2nd Style?
It's just a reference to how beatmania IIDX, sister franchise of Pop'n Music, named their versions. I would've done how Pop'n Music done it, but GMK Shoko 2 sounds boring compared to GMK Shoko 2nd Style. So that's how it's gonna stay.
Why is it named Shoko?
Copypasta from R1 IC
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Why Shoko? Who in the world is Shoko?
Shoko Aoi is my Discord alias as well as a character in a Japanese rhythm game called "Pop'n Music" and she's my favorite girl, but the colors kinda strayed a bit away from the original concept sorta (honestly the original colors were really bad, soooooo yeah had to change it), but the colors are somewhat like her Pop'n Music Sunny Park's clothing colors, which I think looks nice (but she's my favorite so clear bias). Tho crazy me still wanted a bit of that teal in there, so the accents became teal since that's her hair color (I wish I had something for her green eyes though :().
Shoko Aoi is my Discord alias as well as a character in a Japanese rhythm game called "Pop'n Music" and she's my favorite girl, but the colors kinda strayed a bit away from the original concept sorta (honestly the original colors were really bad, soooooo yeah had to change it), but the colors are somewhat like her Pop'n Music Sunny Park's clothing colors, which I think looks nice (but she's my favorite so clear bias). Tho crazy me still wanted a bit of that teal in there, so the accents became teal since that's her hair color (I wish I had something for her green eyes though :().
I know it's disappointing that nothing has been completely ironed out yet, but I do want feedback from the community right now and I want to see this set happen again for sure.
P.S. If there are some glaring grammatical issues or if anything is missing, please let me know ASAP because I made this IC late at night.
Special thanks:
MacSurfy for the kit renders
Kono for making me realize there's interest in a R2
The community for the positive feedback in the colorway
Emir for making me rethink about what mods I use and make me stick to my guts
Janglad for the R1 renders
Rensuya and Jae for kit feedback
DJ Gokkun for getting me into this
Timeline:
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- April 7, 2020: Initial IC
- April 9th, 2020:
Okay just a minor update on the group buy on Kono, I am legitimately just as confused as everyone is at the moment. No one even notified me that the group buy will happen at the time it did, and as far as I'm aware Kono didn't notify the other vendors either. I'm fairly upset that the group buy launched in the state it did, because I still feel like the kits aren't fully complete and one kit is completely missing from the group buy too. I've been told they'll allow the Hiragana kit in R3/3rd Style, but I'm really shocked that it wasn't even in the group buy right now, because it was something proposed very early on along with all of the other kits. I'm also aware that there are some R1 renders up there too, which while some are accurate, some with the text+icon mods currently aren't in the kits' current state which I do find to be very misleading if the kits offered on Kono are the ones currently offered.
I've contacted Kono about this and I asked for a delay and that's currently still in the talks and I hope I can convince them to do so. I want to see this set be successful, since I love this set as much as the community does and I want to see a set and kits that everyone will be happy with. I know I wasn't the best at handling this and I will admit fault on some of this confusion, but I hope everyone here can stay patient with me for a bit longer. - April 28, 2020
Kono has been cooperating with me to try to settle the issue and try to get everything ironed out for this group buy. Kono has been taking steps to try to make up for the mistakes they made for me and the community. Kono will post an apology statement shortly.
Post by: BapoDonu on Tue, 07 April 2020, 04:30:49
Post by: DuellM on Tue, 07 April 2020, 04:31:42
Post by: senryo on Tue, 07 April 2020, 04:35:51
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That extra こ was totally not forgotten and photoshopped in last minute, but it will be in the final kit.
Had you not mentioned it, I wouldn't have realized that
top notch photoshop skillz :D
will join definitely :thumb:
edit:
I'd personally prefer eng+hiragana over mono hiragana
Post by: Sycomore on Tue, 07 April 2020, 04:36:27
Post by: terrad on Tue, 07 April 2020, 04:39:23
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Post by: Mcnos on Tue, 07 April 2020, 04:52:44
- Disregard, didn't expect the new kits be on the IC page for Kono.
- Also, text + icon
Post by: belgium_waffles on Tue, 07 April 2020, 05:08:12
Post by: piit79 on Tue, 07 April 2020, 05:09:04
Any chance for a R1 backspace for Preonic support? I know, we're a very small minority... I usually use a novelty instead, but there are no novelties here. Not a deal breaker, can still use Numpad "-". Not ideal but passable.
Post by: whalematrontron on Tue, 07 April 2020, 05:13:56
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Post by: dallman5 on Tue, 07 April 2020, 07:24:23
The only things I kind wish weren’t dropped from R1 were the F5-8 and Print-Scroll-Pause accents. And speaking of accents, you have an alpha colored escape but no accented one and that feels like a mix up?
Post by: Sunhwan Jeong on Tue, 07 April 2020, 08:13:40
They are gone:(
Post by: sirieous on Tue, 07 April 2020, 09:38:20
Post by: ggmoss on Tue, 07 April 2020, 09:42:46
And take my money. :thumb:
Post by: crispgm on Tue, 07 April 2020, 09:54:20
Post by: belerian on Tue, 07 April 2020, 09:59:44
Post by: Emir on Tue, 07 April 2020, 10:06:53
Also here's my shoko:
(https://i.imgur.com/xGgUf7Y.jpg)
Post by: udller on Tue, 07 April 2020, 10:12:55
Post by: MacSurfy on Tue, 07 April 2020, 10:37:32
Hit me up on Discord
Post by: Han on Tue, 07 April 2020, 11:19:24
Post by: Sorachi.Ace on Tue, 07 April 2020, 11:40:01
Post by: tominabox1 on Tue, 07 April 2020, 11:57:24
I don't need literally 8 large spacebars....
Post by: Vanishingpoints on Tue, 07 April 2020, 12:15:25
...and if you add a Norde kit you can have some more of my money.
Post by: flying1911 on Tue, 07 April 2020, 12:17:26
Post by: matthewdias on Tue, 07 April 2020, 12:19:34
GMK's TU4 (I'll update when I remember the actual Pantone they used)
2975C per: https://matrixzj.github.io/docs/gmk-keycaps/Shoko/
Post by: Oosha on Tue, 07 April 2020, 12:21:45
Either way though, I'm getting a kit :thumb:
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 07 April 2020, 12:44:35
Base Kit
This kit should cover all of the basic kits in question.Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/imSxkfv1.jpg)
Please consider adding R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn. With so many keys it would be a shame not to have those two.
You can probably drop the second 1u Ctrl and Alt. Or, you can drop the Ctrl but keep both 1u Alts and add a 1.5u Super to support Mac and HHKB layouts (1u Alt, 1.5u Super, 1.5u Function, 1u Alt).
Hiragana Kit
This is an alphas kit with mono hiragana legends, comes with an extra こ for Alice and an extra 1.75u shift and tab for extra versatility. That extra こ was totally not forgotten and photoshopped in last minute, but it will be in the final kit.Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/lEtwkyC9.jpg)
How about changing the R4 む key to R4 ろ? The latter is completely missing from the kit at the moment, while the former is duplicated. ろ is the extra key that JIS layouts have on R4, so it makes sense to use it as the extra R4 ISO key.
Spacebar Kit
Just some good ol' extra spacebars for accents or split spacebars. Extra B for Alice Users.Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/F8QJiMiK.jpg)
That's too many 6u spacebars, if you ask me. In fact, I think you'd be fine just offering one (white, centered stem) or two at most (either one white centered, one white off-centered; or one white centered, one blue centered).
Post by: L8T on Tue, 07 April 2020, 12:44:43
Post by: Abec13 on Tue, 07 April 2020, 14:13:19
Also: Please swap the white Esc key for an accent in base.
Please consider: Changing the 1.5 R3 "function" key for an enter Icon for the Minivan. The 1.5 function key is really more for the Pearl Keyboard than anything. In this case I believe the Minivan trumps the Pearl in numbers.
Post by: scoopbb on Tue, 07 April 2020, 14:19:57
optimal would be 2 1uC, 1 2uC, 1 2.25uC, 1 2.75uC
Post by: Boy_314 on Tue, 07 April 2020, 14:33:32
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Post by: SlurmsMacKenzie on Tue, 07 April 2020, 17:34:57
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Post by: Chuttau on Tue, 07 April 2020, 18:10:25
Pog
Post by: byoliven on Tue, 07 April 2020, 19:36:26
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Post by: AIRPOTTER on Wed, 08 April 2020, 21:26:03
agreeing with others, would love a bright blue escape along with icon+text mods whether in base or a separate kit. love this set.
hope for that!
Post by: AIRPOTTER on Wed, 08 April 2020, 21:41:04
Post by: //gainsborough on Wed, 08 April 2020, 22:01:31
Post by: DJ Shoko on Wed, 08 April 2020, 22:33:39
Excited to see this to come back!I was trying to look for ways to slim the base kit, and those keys were one of the things I chose to cut out. As for the blue accented Esc that everyone keeps asking about, I just noticed that it's not accented in the render, and I'm not entirely sure why since what I have on my KLE was blue when I pulled it up just now. It definitely will be part of the final kit.
The only things I kind wish weren’t dropped from R1 were the F5-8 and Print-Scroll-Pause accents. And speaking of accents, you have an alpha colored escape but no accented one and that feels like a mix up?
any chance to add the alpha colored short bars to the 40s kit?A change I'm definitely looking at right now is cutting one of the 2u and 1.75u bars and replacing them with 2.25u and 2.75u bars, both alpha colored.
I don't need literally 8 large spacebars....
Any chance to include accent short spacebar in 40% kit?I really don't want to make any kit larger than they need to be, but it will be considered since I know the accented spacebars are pretty popular with this kit.
Yes. Gimmie.I do want more feedback from 40% users, so it will probably be a considered change, but no guarantees yet.
Also: Please swap the white Esc key for an accent in base.
Please consider: Changing the 1.5 R3 "function" key for an enter Icon for the Minivan. The 1.5 function key is really more for the Pearl Keyboard than anything. In this case I believe the Minivan trumps the Pearl in numbers.
Glad to see Shoko is coming back :D Have some kit feedback:Responses are in bold, but I really appreciated the feedback.
Thank youBase Kit
This kit should cover all of the basic kits in question.Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/imSxkfv1.jpg)
Please consider adding R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn. With so many keys it would be a shame not to have those two.
You can probably drop the second 1u Ctrl and Alt. Or, you can drop the Ctrl but keep both 1u Alts and add a 1.5u Super to support Mac and HHKB layouts (1u Alt, 1.5u Super, 1.5u Function, 1u Alt).
I'll think about if I can add the R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn, I'll probably drop the 1u Ctrls to help make up for that. I'll add a 1.5u Super.Hiragana Kit
This is an alphas kit with mono hiragana legends, comes with an extra こ for Alice and an extra 1.75u shift and tab for extra versatility. That extra こ was totally not forgotten and photoshopped in last minute, but it will be in the final kit.Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/lEtwkyC9.jpg)
How about changing the R4 む key to R4 ろ? The latter is completely missing from the kit at the moment, while the former is duplicated. ろ is the extra key that JIS layouts have on R4, so it makes sense to use it as the extra R4 ISO key.
I see it in the JIS layout, so the R4 む key has been replaced with a R4 ろ key. There is a ろ in the kit already, but it was R1.Spacebar Kit
Just some good ol' extra spacebars for accents or split spacebars. Extra B for Alice Users.Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/F8QJiMiK.jpg)
That's too many 6u spacebars, if you ask me. In fact, I think you'd be fine just offering one (white, centered stem), in fact, or two at most (either one white centered, one white off-centered; or one white centered, one blue centered).
Cutting out the off-centered 6u spacebars is most likely going to be a change I'll make, it really is a lot of spacebars.
guess i'll pick up a hiragana kit to add to my R1 kits. a bit off topic but are you still considering running in a different profile like MG, KAT, or MT3?I'm not really sure if I'd do MT3 since I wasn't a huge fan with some of the Susuwatari legends and I'm not too confident on them doing reverse dye subs properly, I do enjoy the profile a ton, so it's still a possibility. KAT is a stronger possibility seeing how the KAT Arctic samples have turned out (they look wonderful) and I did enjoy it when I tried it at the LA meetup. MG, Muni seems to want to do their own colorways.
isn't the og icon for capslock a handbag? why no handbag ?I don't like the handbag honestly, and the icon mod for Caps Lock last run was upside down shift, so it will stay that way.
I am seeing quite a bit of demand for the text+icon mods, so they very well may make a return in a form of an add-on kit much like the icon mods were in the original run if the demand continues. I hope I get more input from 40% users in the following days, since that's the territory I'm definitely most unfamiliar with. Thanks for all of the feedback everyone.
Post by: Boy_314 on Wed, 08 April 2020, 22:38:25
Post by: Mcnos on Wed, 08 April 2020, 22:57:17
(https://i.imgur.com/9cdGGCK.png)
Post by: Macmutant on Wed, 08 April 2020, 23:11:25
Post by: gminso on Thu, 09 April 2020, 00:43:06
So, GB seems started yet IC is active. so confusing...
Post by: subluxe on Thu, 09 April 2020, 01:17:15
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Thu, 09 April 2020, 01:27:18
Kono is already taking orders.
https://kono.store/products/gmk-shoko?variant=31619805610067
Huh. They totally are.
Post by: Boy_314 on Thu, 09 April 2020, 01:34:34
Post by: Mcnos on Thu, 09 April 2020, 01:39:44
lul kono
Post by: nguyenhimself on Thu, 09 April 2020, 04:16:06
Seriously.
That teal is so nice. Keep it in the base pls OP.
Also: Kono's page doesn't have the Hiragana Kit.
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 09 April 2020, 04:28:21
Responses are in bold, but I really appreciated the feedback.
I'm happy with those responses, thanks for reading. I hope those keys can make it in!
"No accented ESC" is a dealbraker for me.
Seriously.
That teal is so nice. Keep it in the base pls OP.
Also: Kono's page doesn't have the Hiragana Kit.
The accented Esc will be in the kit, read OP's response:
As for the blue accented Esc that everyone keeps asking about, I just noticed that it's not accented in the render, and I'm not entirely sure why since what I have on my KLE was blue when I pulled it up just now. It definitely will be part of the final kit.
Post by: nguyenhimself on Thu, 09 April 2020, 04:52:07
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Post by: silverstreakz on Thu, 09 April 2020, 15:55:05
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Thu, 09 April 2020, 15:58:46
Why is Kono Store having a group buy for this when the post says it's an IC?
Money coming in keeps the lights on? Im not being snarky, things are hard for lots of people right now.
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 09 April 2020, 16:00:45
Why is Kono Store having a group buy for this when the post says it's an IC?
Probably GB post will be there soon.
I am still hoping for a couple of novelties... Price is a bit steep for the base ...
Anyway I will be buying
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Thu, 09 April 2020, 17:27:48
1. Whether Kono is essentially rerunning R1 Shoko while we discuss R2 here, or whether the kits you decide here will be part of Kono's current group buy?
2. Whether there will be other vendors worldwide at this time?
Post by: Tennstrong on Thu, 09 April 2020, 17:30:41
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Thu, 09 April 2020, 17:36:03
So what's going on here- saw last night it went up and thought that was a mistake, but today got an email from Kono saying this is live (with the r1 render), it doesn't have hiragana kit or the planned text/icon?
Kono had discussed rerunning Shoko back in October of last year. Actually, they'd also discussed rerunning Camping while the Camping R2 interest check was going on for it to be run on Novelkeys. It's possible that this R2 interest check has no relation at all to Kono's current GB. Was why I'd wanted RaySasQuach to weigh in.
I'd like a set. I'd be good buying an R1 version if Kono was rerunning that. I'd be good buying an R2 version too! Sorta wanna know who to support.
Post by: tominabox1 on Thu, 09 April 2020, 17:39:21
Post by: Mcnos on Thu, 09 April 2020, 17:52:06
Post by: fropsie on Thu, 09 April 2020, 17:57:50
This is what more sets need.
Mono alphas included in base, and mono alphas as a kit. This is amazing and a solid banger.
Sick renders too! Looking forward to this.
Post by: jurisitum on Thu, 09 April 2020, 20:59:01
Post by: DJ Shoko on Thu, 09 April 2020, 23:53:21
I've contacted Kono about this and I asked for a delay and that's currently still in the talks and I hope I can convince them to do so. I want to see this set be successful, since I love this set as much as the community does and I want to see a set and kits that everyone will be happy with. I know I wasn't the best at handling this and I will admit fault on some of this confusion, but I hope everyone here can stay patient with me for a bit longer.
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Fri, 10 April 2020, 00:41:40
Post by: Sigil on Fri, 10 April 2020, 02:14:02
I've been told they'll allow the Hiragana kit in R3/3rd Style
This seems... thoroughly not-okay. "They'll allow" the kit in a future run? Why does Kono get to make decisions like this unilaterally? This isn't their keyset, right? They're not even the sole vendor. I've heard before that GMK wouldn't produce a keyset against the wishes of the original designer, is that not still the case?
Post by: jurisitum on Fri, 10 April 2020, 03:32:47
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Post by: iammeuru on Fri, 10 April 2020, 08:38:05
Post by: AIRPOTTER on Fri, 10 April 2020, 14:29:46
Okay just a minor update on the group buy on Kono, I am legitimately just as confused as everyone is at the moment. No one even notified me that the group buy will happen at the time it did, and as far as I'm aware Kono didn't notify the other vendors either. I'm fairly upset that the group buy launched in the state it did, because I still feel like the kits aren't fully complete and one kit is completely missing from the group buy too. I've been told they'll allow the Hiragana kit in R3/3rd Style, but I'm really shocked that it wasn't even in the group buy right now, because it was something proposed very early on along with all of the other kits. I'm also aware that there are some R1 renders up there too, which while some are accurate, some with the text+icon mods currently aren't in the kits' current state which I do find to be very misleading if the kits offered on Kono are the ones currently offered.
I've contacted Kono about this and I asked for a delay and that's currently still in the talks and I hope I can convince them to do so. I want to see this set be successful, since I love this set as much as the community does and I want to see a set and kits that everyone will be happy with. I know I wasn't the best at handling this and I will admit fault on some of this confusion, but I hope everyone here can stay patient with me for a bit longer.
Yeah it is the right thing to do. I am still waiting for possible novelties!
Post by: senryo on Fri, 10 April 2020, 14:44:28
I've been told they'll allow the Hiragana kit in R3/3rd Style
This seems... thoroughly not-okay. "They'll allow" the kit in a future run? Why does Kono get to make decisions like this unilaterally? This isn't their keyset, right? They're not even the sole vendor. I've heard before that GMK wouldn't produce a keyset against the wishes of the original designer, is that not still the case?
I concur to this, I too was shocked to see the group buy went live on Kono, and for a second I thought it was a revived project of Shoko R1 instead of R2; there are several things that are quite alarming to me -
- "...Kono didn't notify the other vendors either"
- "I've been told they'll allow the Hiragana kit in R3/3rd Style..."
I thought vendor(s) should be holding hands with the author of the kit to proceed to the GB phase when both parties communicated with each other thoroughly with all the necessary details. But as far as I can tell, this is pretty one sided and I feel very sorry for RaySasQuach. And "Allow" is a very strong word to assert ones dominance over a set.
Post by: DERBS on Fri, 10 April 2020, 16:01:03
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Fri, 10 April 2020, 17:24:05
Post by: //gainsborough on Fri, 10 April 2020, 17:33:04
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 10 April 2020, 20:51:35
Post by: Macmutant on Fri, 10 April 2020, 23:19:50
So what's going on here- saw last night it went up and thought that was a mistake, but today got an email from Kono saying this is live (with the r1 render), it doesn't have hiragana kit or the planned text/icon?
Kono had discussed rerunning Shoko back in October of last year. Actually, they'd also discussed rerunning Camping while the Camping R2 interest check was going on for it to be run on Novelkeys. It's possible that this R2 interest check has no relation at all to Kono's current GB. Was why I'd wanted RaySasQuach to weigh in.
I'd like a set. I'd be good buying an R1 version if Kono was rerunning that. I'd be good buying an R2 version too! Sorta wanna know who to support.
I will buy R1 if Kono is re-running. I prefer the mods.
Post by: AIRPOTTER on Fri, 10 April 2020, 23:25:12
So what's going on here- saw last night it went up and thought that was a mistake, but today got an email from Kono saying this is live (with the r1 render), it doesn't have hiragana kit or the planned text/icon?
Kono had discussed rerunning Shoko back in October of last year. Actually, they'd also discussed rerunning Camping while the Camping R2 interest check was going on for it to be run on Novelkeys. It's possible that this R2 interest check has no relation at all to Kono's current GB. Was why I'd wanted RaySasQuach to weigh in.
I'd like a set. I'd be good buying an R1 version if Kono was rerunning that. I'd be good buying an R2 version too! Sorta wanna know who to support.
I will buy R1 if Kono is re-running. I prefer the mods.
Wonder if Kono has Shoko R1 in stock? They should have bought many more than ordered by buyers
Post by: Sycomore on Fri, 10 April 2020, 23:32:06
So what's going on here- saw last night it went up and thought that was a mistake, but today got an email from Kono saying this is live (with the r1 render), it doesn't have hiragana kit or the planned text/icon?
Kono had discussed rerunning Shoko back in October of last year. Actually, they'd also discussed rerunning Camping while the Camping R2 interest check was going on for it to be run on Novelkeys. It's possible that this R2 interest check has no relation at all to Kono's current GB. Was why I'd wanted RaySasQuach to weigh in.
I'd like a set. I'd be good buying an R1 version if Kono was rerunning that. I'd be good buying an R2 version too! Sorta wanna know who to support.
I will buy R1 if Kono is re-running. I prefer the mods.
Likewise i'd rather get my hands on a R1 just due to the mods. But if not, I guess i'll settle with R2 mods.
Looking at it on the kono site it's R2 so the icon mods only.
Post by: Abec13 on Sat, 11 April 2020, 11:33:39
The 40s kit doesn't include the MOST STANDARD mini Spacebars i.e. 225 and 275 which are needed for almost every board out there.
This means I would have to buy the $35 bars kit in addition to the $40 obscure kit... What gives?
Post by: tominabox1 on Sat, 11 April 2020, 13:57:31
Wait wait wait woah woah.Op came to 40s disco and we got them squared away for a 40s kit. Just needs to update graphics have no fear!
The 40s kit doesn't include the MOST STANDARD mini Spacebars i.e. 225 and 275 which are needed for almost every board out there.
This means I would have to buy the $35 bars kit in addition to the $40 obscure kit... What gives?
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Post by: AIRPOTTER on Sat, 11 April 2020, 22:15:19
Post by: L8T on Sat, 11 April 2020, 22:42:21
Post by: flying1911 on Sat, 11 April 2020, 22:51:34
I will buy as soon as the issues with kono are sorted outsame
Post by: nettik on Sun, 12 April 2020, 00:39:37
Post by: //gainsborough on Sun, 12 April 2020, 00:45:47
Post by: AIRPOTTER on Sun, 12 April 2020, 12:29:11
Any update from kono yet?
+1
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Sun, 12 April 2020, 16:14:18
Any update from kono yet?
I'd get to re-open my r/mechgroupbuys thread too.
Perhaps we should write Kono as customers. If they know that people are holding out on giving them money because of a lack of transparency, perhaps theyll make it right a lot quicker than if RaySasQuach writes. Kingnestea took Camping R2 to novelkeys when R1 was on Kono. Just sayin'.
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 12 April 2020, 16:36:38
Any update from kono yet?
I'd get to re-open my r/mechgroupbuys thread too.
Perhaps we should write Kono as customers. If they know that people are holding out on giving them money because of a lack of transparency, perhaps theyll make it right a lot quicker than if RaySasQuach writes. Kingnestea took Camping R2 to novelkeys when R1 was on Kono. Just sayin'.
So the question now is whether Kono is running this on their own, or with the author?
Does Kono own the colorway?
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Sun, 12 April 2020, 17:33:06
So the question now is whether Kono is running this on their own, or with the author?
Does Kono own the colorway?
Unclear. Kono ran Nines again as an "R1.5" and the Salvun artisan without Emir's involvement but he may have given him the ok. Kono also offered a poll to rerun a set last fall and Camping was a choice, and this was during KingNestea's IC to run Camping on Novelkeys.
They may know they'd sell more with RaySasQuach by running an R2, but running R1.5 now brings in money to stay in business while they can't ship anything and quotes and communication with GMK is limited. If Kono wrote and said the previous sentence, honestly, I might buy a set. Till then I'd rather support RaySasQuach's vision for R2.
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 12 April 2020, 18:11:15
So the question now is whether Kono is running this on their own, or with the author?
Does Kono own the colorway?
Unclear. Kono ran Nines again as an "R1.5" and the Salvun artisan without Emir's involvement but he may have given him the ok. Kono also offered a poll to rerun a set last fall and Camping was a choice, and this was during KingNestea's IC to run Camping on Novelkeys.
They may know they'd sell more with RaySasQuach by running an R2, but running R1.5 now brings in money to stay in business while they can't ship anything and quotes and communication with GMK is limited. If Kono wrote and said the previous sentence, honestly, I might buy a set. Till then I'd rather support RaySasQuach's vision for R2.
Not sure what R1.5 means actually, if it is ready-to-ship stock I will be placing orders right away.... but it seems the GB will run for 2 months and the production lead time is like another 6 months.
Post by: Mcnos on Sun, 12 April 2020, 18:42:12
As far as I'm concerned the runner is unsure of what is going on himself, which leads me to believe that Kono is on their own agenda.
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 13 April 2020, 16:45:42
I think we should just leave everything to speculation right now til there's a confirmed answer from both the runner and the vendor.
As far as I'm concerned the runner is unsure of what is going on himself, which leads me to believe that Kono is on their own agenda.
Great idea. Really hope it will be sorted out one way or another
Post by: Emir on Mon, 13 April 2020, 17:27:12
So the question now is whether Kono is running this on their own, or with the author?
Does Kono own the colorway?
Unclear. Kono ran Nines again as an "R1.5" and the Salvun artisan without Emir's involvement but he may have given him the ok. Kono also offered a poll to rerun a set last fall and Camping was a choice, and this was during KingNestea's IC to run Camping on Novelkeys.
They may know they'd sell more with RaySasQuach by running an R2, but running R1.5 now brings in money to stay in business while they can't ship anything and quotes and communication with GMK is limited. If Kono wrote and said the previous sentence, honestly, I might buy a set. Till then I'd rather support RaySasQuach's vision for R2.
Kono spoke to me about nines before running it, and a misunderstanding led to kono/salvun offering the exclusive artisan which I said would only be made 10 of.
This set is a weird one, let's wait for clarification. Either way, I'm in again.
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 13 April 2020, 17:53:32
So the question now is whether Kono is running this on their own, or with the author?
Does Kono own the colorway?
Unclear. Kono ran Nines again as an "R1.5" and the Salvun artisan without Emir's involvement but he may have given him the ok. Kono also offered a poll to rerun a set last fall and Camping was a choice, and this was during KingNestea's IC to run Camping on Novelkeys.
They may know they'd sell more with RaySasQuach by running an R2, but running R1.5 now brings in money to stay in business while they can't ship anything and quotes and communication with GMK is limited. If Kono wrote and said the previous sentence, honestly, I might buy a set. Till then I'd rather support RaySasQuach's vision for R2.
Kono spoke to me about nines before running it, and a misunderstanding led to kono/salvun offering the exclusive artisan which I said would only be made 10 of.
This set is a weird one, let's wait for clarification. Either way, I'm in again.
Thanks for the information and background story on the Nines rerun, Emir.
Post by: FireLock on Tue, 14 April 2020, 12:36:51
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Post by: vocal118 on Tue, 14 April 2020, 23:25:28
Post by: heliar_mk on Tue, 14 April 2020, 23:27:34
zf,please+1
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 14 April 2020, 23:55:52
Post by: Slayer77 on Wed, 15 April 2020, 01:36:17
If vendor options are still open, I will vote for novelkeys, please.What's wrong with Kono?
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Post by: whitty on Wed, 15 April 2020, 12:21:22
Try reading this threadIf vendor options are still open, I will vote for novelkeys, please.What's wrong with Kono?
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Post by: twistitup on Wed, 15 April 2020, 12:32:16
Post by: KrasH on Wed, 15 April 2020, 17:18:17
I contacted Kono support and they said that their base kit won't have the light blue accent Esc.I hope it's not them who decide... I'm in for a set, have the keyboard and artisan ready (and wallet).
Post by: SlurmsMacKenzie on Wed, 15 April 2020, 18:41:34
I contacted Kono support and they said that their base kit won't have the light blue accent Esc.
Thanks for letting us know. That means there is literally no R1 Esc accent key available, only R2 and R3? I'm gonna cancel my order until this gets sorted.
Post by: //gainsborough on Wed, 15 April 2020, 19:12:09
I contacted Kono support and they said that their base kit won't have the light blue accent Esc.
So is kono just doing a rerun of R1? Did they elaborate at all?
Post by: Boy_314 on Wed, 15 April 2020, 19:15:56
Post by: scoopbb on Wed, 15 April 2020, 21:46:35
Post by: //gainsborough on Wed, 15 April 2020, 22:06:04
i don't think we should be buying what's on kono right now. OP told me that nothing has been signed with kono, so they shouldn't be running it without OP's permission. apparently something similar happened with gmk ursa and nathan (designer of ursa)
Woah what? I missed that! I am part of the ursa GB as well.
Post by: twistitup on Wed, 15 April 2020, 22:06:51
From: <redacted> <support@kono.store>
Date: Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: GMK Shoko Hiragana Kit
To: <redacted>
The only quote for Shoko with GMK is the one we requested ourselves, which is based on the kit images on the page.
I've cancelled your order.
-<redacted>
On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 1:29 AM, <redacted> wrote via Mail:
In RaySasQuach's Geekhack IC post, he says that the base kit is supposed to have the light blue accent Esc, and that the render not having it was a mistake.
See https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105590.msg2886104#msg2886104
As for the blue accented Esc that everyone keeps asking about, I just noticed that it's not accented in the render, and I'm not entirely sure why since what I have on my KLE was blue when I pulled it up just now. It definitely will be part of the final kit.
I could deal with not having the hiragana kit, but not having the light blue accent Esc in the base kit is a dealbreaker, especially since the designer of the set didn't design it that way.
Since it looks like the GMK Shoko you are offering is not the same as the one RaySasQuach designed and it won't have the light blue accent Esc in the base kit, please cancel my order.
Thank you,
<redacted>
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 11:29 PM, <redacted> <support@kono.store> wrote via Mail:
The kits are as they're shown on the page, the base kit comes with a white accent Esc.
The light blue accent Esc is in the Obscure kit.
You can see the kits at the end of the gallery or the bottom of the description.
-<redacted>
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 11:21 PM, <redacted> wrote via Mail:
I see. One more question, will the base kit have an accent Esc? Some of the product page pictures show it and some don't.
Thanks,
<redacted>
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 11:00 PM, <redacted> <support@kono.store> wrote via Mail:
Hello <redacted>,
Unfortunately, based on previously poor sales of hiragana kits, we decided against including the hiragana kit for this run.
It would have impacted the quote from GMK and pricing on some of the other kits as well.
We will attempt to have more runs in the future if it's viable, so with enough demand we could potentially include the hiragana kit with the third run.
We also have some other sets with hiragana kits coming up, so keep your eyes out for those if you're interested.
Let me know if you need anything else,
<redacted>
On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 7:11 PM, <redacted> wrote via Mail:
Hi,
I placed order #<redacted> but then I realized that there is supposed to be a hiragana kit being made. Why was it not available for ordering? If it is available, could you please add it to my order?
Thank you,
<redacted>
Post by: Boy_314 on Wed, 15 April 2020, 22:10:40
Post by: pcire on Wed, 15 April 2020, 22:30:43
Post by: scoopbb on Wed, 15 April 2020, 22:40:08
Why Kono? Why?
you can proily guess why.
Post by: KKoNaM on Wed, 15 April 2020, 23:31:54
Why Kono? Why?
$
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Wed, 15 April 2020, 23:35:02
If they said "hey were trying to keep the lights on, let's get a quote for this GB pronto", I'd totally have bought by now.
Post by: forevermadrigal on Thu, 16 April 2020, 02:17:16
Post by: DJ Shoko on Thu, 16 April 2020, 02:43:23
To make it clear here's how things went from my perspective, Kono ran the popularity poll back in October if I remember correctly, Shoko won. I got contacted by Kono if I was interested in rerunning the set and I said I was interested. I got notified that Kono would be paying MacSurfy for the renders and I handed him the KLE via Google Drive on the kits I wanted rendered as well as the board. I thanked Kono for paying for the renders. I never got a message back from Kono or MacSurfy afterwards, as you can see I'm not blameless either I could've kept in contact with them or MacSurfy about the status of the renders. Now MacSurfy gave the renders to Kono since they are the client, but he did assume that I would also receive the renders because I am the designer. I launched the IC, hoping to get everybody's feedback on the kits and I got great feedback in my opinion. The group buy launched a day after or something on Kono without me knowing. I contacted Kono about the situation and requesting to delay the set and they disagreed. This is my side of the story, and while I don't think there's more to it, maybe there is and I hope this may clear some things up even if it may not be much.
To make it clear though, I'm not gonna endorse the group buy on Kono, it's not my vision, so I can not endorse it.
However I will not judge you if you decide to join since I understand people are excited about the set.
Thanks for your patience everyone, and to answer a few quotes:
So the question now is whether Kono is running this on their own, or with the author?Kono is running this on their own essentially, I never sold the rights to the colorway to Kono. Kono never offered to buy the rights to the set and I actually never signed a single document with them, but for what it's worth there might have been something between GMK and Kono where I never got notified. So does Kono own the colorway? I don't think so, but is it possible? I wouldn't say it's impossible.
Does Kono own the colorway?
I did go to the 40% Discord and I had a decent kit in hand now, but Kono was unwilling to change the kits from when I talked to them last time. I'll just put the proposed changes here in this collapsable.Wait wait wait woah woah.Op came to 40s disco and we got them squared away for a 40s kit. Just needs to update graphics have no fear!
The 40s kit doesn't include the MOST STANDARD mini Spacebars i.e. 225 and 275 which are needed for almost every board out there.
This means I would have to buy the $35 bars kit in addition to the $40 obscure kit... What gives?
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I contacted Kono support and they said that their base kit won't have the light blue accent Esc.Yeah Kono said the kits are final unfortunately, really sorry about it.
So is kono just doing a rerun of R1? Did they elaborate at all?I guess they're just going off the initial MacSurfy renders and not the KLE, well minus the mono Hiragana kit. So they're running R1.5, or I'll just call it GMK Shoko Substream to fit the naming scheme...
If vendor options are still open, I will vote for novelkeys, please.Well I'll try to figure out the legality of the ownership of the colorway first before I can consider other vendor options. Hopefully GMK contacts me back soon.
Post by: byoliven on Thu, 16 April 2020, 02:54:48
Well sorry for the lack of updates, and quite frankly there still isn't much to update, but I figured I'd just post what little has changed. I decided to contact GMK about the issue and they haven't gotten back to me yet, maybe someone knows another way to contact them outside of email which may be more effective. As for Kono, I'd rather not make any unnecessary speculations about it. And I'd rather not blindly vendor bash if possible, not that I've seen too much of that I think. Yes I'm very unhappy with Kono running the set without my consent and not even having all the kits there. But I'd rather keep it civil here and only bring up constructive criticism about the subject at hand. And also just for reference, Kono did pay for the MacSurfy renders back in November before I even chose the vendor, so they have done good things too. Obviously to me them paying for the renders does not make up for them choosing to launch kits that I consider incomplete as well as completely missing a kit from their group buy.Thx so much for your update and I will not consider buying from Kono because of those unsatisfied keys and their approach.
To make it clear here's how things went from my perspective, Kono ran the popularity poll back in October if I remember correctly, Shoko won. I got contacted by Kono if I was interested in rerunning the set and I said I was interested. I got notified that Kono would be paying MacSurfy for the renders and I handed him the KLE via Google Drive on the kits I wanted rendered as well as the board. I thanked Kono for paying for the renders. I never got a message back from Kono or MacSurfy afterwards, as you can see I'm not blameless either I could've kept in contact with them or MacSurfy about the status of the renders. Now MacSurfy gave the renders to Kono since they are the client, but he did assume that I would also receive the renders because I am the designer. I launched the IC, hoping to get everybody's feedback on the kits and I got great feedback in my opinion. The group buy launched a day after or something on Kono without me knowing. I contacted Kono about the situation and requesting to delay the set and they disagreed. This is my side of the story, and while I don't think there's more to it, maybe there is and I hope this may clear some things up even if it may not be much.
To make it clear though, I'm not gonna endorse the group buy on Kono, it's not my vision, so I can not endorse it.
However I will not judge you if you decide to join since I understand people are excited about the set.
Thanks for your patience everyone, and to answer a few quotes:So the question now is whether Kono is running this on their own, or with the author?Kono is running this on their own essentially, I never sold the rights to the colorway to Kono. Kono never offered to buy the rights to the set and I actually never signed a single document with them, but for what it's worth there might have been something between GMK and Kono where I never got notified. So does Kono own the colorway? I don't think so, but is it possible? I wouldn't say it's impossible.
Does Kono own the colorway?I did go to the 40% Discord and I had a decent kit in hand now, but Kono was unwilling to change the kits from when I talked to them last time. I'll just put the proposed changes here in this collapsable.Wait wait wait woah woah.Op came to 40s disco and we got them squared away for a 40s kit. Just needs to update graphics have no fear!
The 40s kit doesn't include the MOST STANDARD mini Spacebars i.e. 225 and 275 which are needed for almost every board out there.
This means I would have to buy the $35 bars kit in addition to the $40 obscure kit... What gives?MoreShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/dsmYn42w.jpg)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/mOayyj7f.jpg)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/0IqzAWQh.jpg)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/7qusC4rr.jpg)I contacted Kono support and they said that their base kit won't have the light blue accent Esc.Yeah Kono said the kits are final unfortunately, really sorry about it.So is kono just doing a rerun of R1? Did they elaborate at all?I guess they're just going off the initial MacSurfy renders and not the KLE, well minus the mono Hiragana kit. So they're running R1.5, or I'll just call it GMK Shoko Substream to fit the naming scheme...If vendor options are still open, I will vote for novelkeys, please.Well I'll try to figure out the legality of the ownership of the colorway first before I can consider other vendor options. Hopefully GMK contacts me back soon.
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Post by: //gainsborough on Thu, 16 April 2020, 04:05:34
Well sorry for the lack of updates, and quite frankly there still isn't much to update, but I figured I'd just post what little has changed. I decided to contact GMK about the issue and they haven't gotten back to me yet, maybe someone knows another way to contact them outside of email which may be more effective. As for Kono, I'd rather not make any unnecessary speculations about it. And I'd rather not blindly vendor bash if possible, not that I've seen too much of that I think. Yes I'm very unhappy with Kono running the set without my consent and not even having all the kits there. But I'd rather keep it civil here and only bring up constructive criticism about the subject at hand. And also just for reference, Kono did pay for the MacSurfy renders back in November before I even chose the vendor, so they have done good things too. Obviously to me them paying for the renders does not make up for them choosing to launch kits that I consider incomplete as well as completely missing a kit from their group buy.
To make it clear here's how things went from my perspective, Kono ran the popularity poll back in October if I remember correctly, Shoko won. I got contacted by Kono if I was interested in rerunning the set and I said I was interested. I got notified that Kono would be paying MacSurfy for the renders and I handed him the KLE via Google Drive on the kits I wanted rendered as well as the board. I thanked Kono for paying for the renders. I never got a message back from Kono or MacSurfy afterwards, as you can see I'm not blameless either I could've kept in contact with them or MacSurfy about the status of the renders. Now MacSurfy gave the renders to Kono since they are the client, but he did assume that I would also receive the renders because I am the designer. I launched the IC, hoping to get everybody's feedback on the kits and I got great feedback in my opinion. The group buy launched a day after or something on Kono without me knowing. I contacted Kono about the situation and requesting to delay the set and they disagreed. This is my side of the story, and while I don't think there's more to it, maybe there is and I hope this may clear some things up even if it may not be much.
To make it clear though, I'm not gonna endorse the group buy on Kono, it's not my vision, so I can not endorse it.
However I will not judge you if you decide to join since I understand people are excited about the set.
I really appreciate the update! Man though... Sorry you're caught up in this mess. Kono doing some questionable stuff lately, it seems.
Post by: Crazy Designers on Thu, 16 April 2020, 04:38:51
Post by: blank++ on Thu, 16 April 2020, 05:45:17
Thanks for the update; will wait for your official R2. More time to save up lol.
Another request for Novelties. Also, RAMA Artisans pls?
Post by: Mcnos on Thu, 16 April 2020, 06:50:09
Post by: gt1989 on Thu, 16 April 2020, 07:57:45
Post by: SolidCactus on Thu, 16 April 2020, 08:15:00
Post by: pcire on Thu, 16 April 2020, 09:37:15
I’ll wait for the proper R2
Post by: daniwa on Thu, 16 April 2020, 10:13:07
To make it clear though, I'm not gonna endorse the group buy on Kono, it's not my vision, so I can not endorse it.
Yeah, so I've gone ahead and cancelled my order. Kono's behaviour really doesn't need to be rewarded.
Post by: whitty on Thu, 16 April 2020, 10:36:49
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Post by: oldcat on Thu, 16 April 2020, 16:24:52
I hope the situation will be sorted out soon.
Post by: Abec13 on Thu, 16 April 2020, 16:50:03
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 16 April 2020, 17:58:05
Post by: SuddenlyDonkey on Thu, 16 April 2020, 19:12:00
Post by: nu_types on Thu, 16 April 2020, 19:23:09
This reminds me of a thing that happened a few years ago between a team of "mostly" engineers and another company who financed some stuff...
Oh, how the turn tables.
Post by: JME on Thu, 16 April 2020, 20:45:08
Hope RaySasQuach gets creative control of this GB, otherwise i'll pass.
Post by: belerian on Thu, 16 April 2020, 21:32:45
Post by: Daellin on Thu, 16 April 2020, 21:46:22
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 16 April 2020, 22:20:21
What is your opinion on splitting the numpad portion of the full kit into its own separate kit?
This has been debated for a while I believe.
I would really like to have that kind of base as well (as I only use 65%), not sure if it will happen.
Post by: byoliven on Thu, 16 April 2020, 22:29:45
I prefer splitting those numpad portion into separate kit too.What is your opinion on splitting the numpad portion of the full kit into its own separate kit?
This has been debated for a while I believe.
I would really like to have that kind of base as well (as I only use 65%), not sure if it will happen.
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Post by: DJ Shoko on Fri, 17 April 2020, 01:25:57
What is your opinion on splitting the numpad portion of the full kit into its own separate kit?I am strongly considering this right now actually after talking to a few people about it actually. It is a nice way to bring the price down and the amount of numpad users are kinda low in this hobby I'd imagine.
Post by: iammeuru on Fri, 17 April 2020, 03:55:12
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Fri, 17 April 2020, 10:33:00
Post by: daniwa on Fri, 17 April 2020, 10:40:31
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 17 April 2020, 10:41:01
If MOQ is 500, base kit split off isn't so bad, as you can get 99 base and 40 numpad. At 250, you're often near 120 base and 40 numpad, and base could have been 125 or 130 with numpad in it.
The base kit is still going to be large without the numpad, it's not going to reach $99 @ 500 MOQ.
Post by: Mcnos on Fri, 17 April 2020, 11:16:27
If MOQ is 500, base kit split off isn't so bad, as you can get 99 base and 40 numpad. At 250, you're often near 120 base and 40 numpad, and base could have been 125 or 130 with numpad in it.
The base kit is still going to be large without the numpad, it's not going to reach $99 @ 500 MOQ.
Just depending on how the base kit would be changed to suit the 500 MOQ price point. It's about the kit components and what's added/removed for the sake of utilization.
There's always two sides to a coin.
The majority who buys a base kit for 140 but has 20+ keys they'll possibly never use
The minority who utilizes all keys and pays 140
Say they manage a 500 MOQ theory.
Majority buys a set at 110 (for the lack of real examples) buys all the keys that they need and will ever use
Minority who pays 110+40 who gets everything they need at the cost of an extra 40.
I would lean towards a numpad-less base if a set can manage the MOQ numbers as I side with the majority.
Keep note that kit compositions would be different for both situations.
Post by: tominabox1 on Fri, 17 April 2020, 11:22:51
Post by: SlurmsMacKenzie on Fri, 17 April 2020, 12:52:37
Kono going off the rails and not even including the highlight accent ESC...Not paying for a add-on set just for one key.
Hope RaySasQuach gets creative control of this GB, otherwise i'll pass.
The Obscure kit doesn't even have the keycap that you would want. I would assume the Obscure has R2 and R3 Esc, so there is literally no R1 Blue Esc available.
Post by: dvorcol on Fri, 17 April 2020, 18:45:13
More
(https://i.imgur.com/T4UJGye.png)
<-- this graph's take rates are artificially low because it's using (Numpad kits) / (Alpha kits). Alphas are also used on ortho and ergo boards, but Numpads aren't.Post by: nasp on Fri, 17 April 2020, 18:59:41
Another important thing to note about this is time. I think the trend over time is to favor smaller boards. Just look at the number of 60/65% boards going to GB compared to those there have numpads.
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 17 April 2020, 20:01:34
Here are Numpad take rates for some previous (Mass)Drop GBs.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/T4UJGye.png)
always amazing graphics
Post by: whitty on Sat, 18 April 2020, 03:51:45
Post by: Mcnos on Sat, 18 April 2020, 04:19:19
Here are Numpad take rates for some previous (Mass)Drop GBs.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/T4UJGye.png)
I think a GMK graph would be in order here to be more relevant to the certain situation
Here's more than a few sets to use for referencing
GMK Minimal
GMK Apollo
GMK Dark
GMK Nautilus Nightmares
GMK Peach Blossom
GMK Yugo
GMK Analog Dreams
GMK Cafe
GMK 9009 R3
And don't forget about Bleached.
Just by looking at the numbers at a glance of final numbers, num-pad consists of 1/4 - 1/6 of the base kit estimated.
Post by: huey on Sat, 18 April 2020, 04:29:43
I dislike splitting the numpad unless you are going for a very low price/high MOQ.
This set is a community favourite and I personally contribute it's very "all inclusive" base kit as one of its strong points. If this 2nd round can be achieved at a price similar price to what Kono is running at right now (lmao btw), then it'll sell like hotcakes.
If we follow the mentality of "I don't need it, therefore it should go", then we'd all be running around buying slightly fleshed-out ANSI 60% kits. The kitting would be insane making it so damn expensive for anyone that dares not to use Standard ANSI/Tsangan. Also, if numpad goes then UK-ISO is on the chopping block. :(
Post by: dvorcol on Sat, 18 April 2020, 11:21:54
Do you have more GMK set data besides Jamon?
Another important thing to note about this is time. I think the trend over time is to favor smaller boards. Just look at the number of 60/65% boards going to GB compared to those there have numpads.
EDIT: See the bar graph in a later post (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105590.msg2892039#msg2892039) which uses (Numpad kits) / (TKL Mod kits) so is more representative.Here are Numpad take rates for some previous (Mass)Drop GBs.More<-- this graph's take rates are artificially low because it's using (Numpad kits) / (Alpha kits). Alphas are also used on ortho and ergo boards, but Numpads aren't.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/T4UJGye.png)
I think a GMK graph would be in order here to be more relevant to the certain situation
Here's more than a few sets to use for referencing
GMK Minimal
GMK Apollo
GMK Dark
GMK Nautilus Nightmares
GMK Peach Blossom
GMK Yugo
GMK Analog Dreams
GMK Cafe
GMK 9009 R3
And don't forget about Bleached.
Just by looking at the numbers at a glance of final numbers, num-pad consists of 1/4 - 1/6 of the base kit estimated.
I have a ton of numbers to gather, but I'll try to have a graph in the next few days.
Sets that split everything into a larger number of smaller kits by default (Alphas, Mods, Numpad, etc. for SA, DSA, XDA, KAT/KAM) might better-reflect the market, since cost up/down is not a factor. Here's something to ponder:
(https://i.imgur.com/tUKmFax.png)
Edit: corrected bad math. Changed to TKL mod ratio rather than Alpha ratio.
Post by: tankskun on Sat, 18 April 2020, 11:35:33
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 18 April 2020, 17:27:55
Post by: DERBS on Sat, 18 April 2020, 17:58:53
Post by: Waffle0508 on Sat, 18 April 2020, 18:41:43
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 18 April 2020, 22:54:40
Post by: ggmoss on Sat, 18 April 2020, 23:36:42
Post by: sirieous on Sun, 19 April 2020, 00:01:30
Post by: 2QT2BSTR8 on Sun, 19 April 2020, 00:18:03
Post by: belerian on Sun, 19 April 2020, 00:59:30
Post by: calveeen on Sun, 19 April 2020, 03:05:15
Post by: flying1911 on Sun, 19 April 2020, 04:31:39
Post by: Mcnos on Sun, 19 April 2020, 05:30:28
Post by: heliar_mk on Sun, 19 April 2020, 05:38:44
Post by: SolidCactus on Sun, 19 April 2020, 07:04:37
If Ray can consider adding R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn it will be greatly appreciated.
This please!
Post by: terrad on Sun, 19 April 2020, 07:31:16
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Post by: dallman5 on Sun, 19 April 2020, 09:19:16
Post by: neutralstate on Sun, 19 April 2020, 10:21:37
Post by: pcire on Sun, 19 April 2020, 10:22:50
But more importantly, don’t run it on kono
Post by: Mcnos on Sun, 19 April 2020, 10:25:09
How about just input your votes on this strawpoll until a better means is presented.
https://www.strawpoll.me/19814989
Edit:
This does not mean a decision will be made off of this, but a better means to obtain data.
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 19 April 2020, 13:10:54
Instead of flooding this IC
How about just input your votes on this strawpoll until a better means is presented.
https://www.strawpoll.me/19814989
Edit:
This does not mean a decision will be made off of this, but a better means to obtain data.
Great. Voted, thanks!
Post by: greentea on Sun, 19 April 2020, 19:06:02
I'll just call it GMK Shoko Substream to fit the naming scheme...Can't wait for Shoko Red, Shoko Happy Sky, Shoko Distorted, and Shoko Gold
Post by: Karni on Sun, 19 April 2020, 19:15:29
Post by: Fidelias on Mon, 20 April 2020, 16:48:30
Quote
Apologies, the designer for Shoko has been inconsistent — when he disappeared during the original GB we had to finish it without him.
He gave us the go-ahead for Round 2 and agreed to a rough timeline, but ghosted us again and stopped updating the set.
We kept the GB moving by using the files he submitted before the lapse in communications. The kits on the page are what was quoted with GMK for this run.
Hitting stop on the current set would result in delays and losses for everyone, especially during the pandemic.
I've cancelled your Order and issued a refund.
Please let me know if you need anything else,
It sounds like they're trying to blame OP for running this without his knowledge (even if there were communication issues, still don't see how it makes it OK to take OP's designs and do a GB on their own). Also not sure what "delays and losses for everyone" means since I wouldn't expect them to have paid for an order from GMK since GB didn't close yet.
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 20 April 2020, 16:59:06
This is what I got from Kono when I canceled my order:QuoteApologies, the designer for Shoko has been inconsistent — when he disappeared during the original GB we had to finish it without him.
He gave us the go-ahead for Round 2 and agreed to a rough timeline, but ghosted us again and stopped updating the set.
We kept the GB moving by using the files he submitted before the lapse in communications. The kits on the page are what was quoted with GMK for this run.
Hitting stop on the current set would result in delays and losses for everyone, especially during the pandemic.
I've cancelled your Order and issued a refund.
Please let me know if you need anything else,
It sounds like they're trying to blame OP for running this without his knowledge (even if there were communication issues, still don't see how it makes it OK to take OP's designs and do a GB on their own). Also not sure what "delays and losses for everyone" means since I wouldn't expect them to have paid for an order from GMK since GB didn't close yet.
To be fair to Kono what was described here about R1 by Kono was what I observed as well. That was the reason many people did not join R1 afaik. You can still find those comments in the R1 IC page.
Hopefully, OP can come here more often and provide more communication for R2, and I will certainly join now the real pictures came out great.
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Mon, 20 April 2020, 17:09:19
It sounds like they're trying to blame OP for running this without his knowledge (even if there were communication issues, still don't see how it makes it OK to take OP's designs and do a GB on their own). Also not sure what "delays and losses for everyone" means since I wouldn't expect them to have paid for an order from GMK since GB didn't close yet.
Loss is with refunds with PayPal or the other pay apps? So someone (buyers, it seems) would be out the ~4% or so for fees?
Post by: Slayer77 on Mon, 20 April 2020, 17:10:09
To play devil's advocate, Kono probably invested in the renders (those renders look pretty nice) and probably couldn't wait any longer for design changes. There was probably an agreed upon timeline of some sorts.This is what I got from Kono when I canceled my order:QuoteApologies, the designer for Shoko has been inconsistent — when he disappeared during the original GB we had to finish it without him.
He gave us the go-ahead for Round 2 and agreed to a rough timeline, but ghosted us again and stopped updating the set.
We kept the GB moving by using the files he submitted before the lapse in communications. The kits on the page are what was quoted with GMK for this run.
Hitting stop on the current set would result in delays and losses for everyone, especially during the pandemic.
I've cancelled your Order and issued a refund.
Please let me know if you need anything else,
It sounds like they're trying to blame OP for running this without his knowledge (even if there were communication issues, still don't see how it makes it OK to take OP's designs and do a GB on their own). Also not sure what "delays and losses for everyone" means since I wouldn't expect them to have paid for an order from GMK since GB didn't close yet.
To be fair to Kono what was described here about R1 by Kono was what I observed as well. That was the reason many people did not join R1 afaik. You can still find those comments in the R1 IC page.
Hopefully, OP can come here more often and provide more communication for R2, and I will certainly join now the real pictures came out great.
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Post by: pcire on Mon, 20 April 2020, 17:12:09
I have a build planned around Shoko. Can’t wait!
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 20 April 2020, 18:18:25
We’re all just speculating here. Hope OP can clarify soon
I have a build planned around Shoko. Can’t wait!
Really liked Shoko and hope it will happen one way or another. Certainly, I would like to support OP as a designer and creator and refrain from buying from Kono at this moment, but hopefully, more clarity can be provided and it may not be too late to bring Kono on board again by communicating with them about possible new kits.
I even want to do work on some custom case colors for Shoko for Think2020...
Still hoping for that R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn to happen....
Post by: Tennstrong on Mon, 20 April 2020, 19:07:13
Post by: yicaoyimu on Mon, 20 April 2020, 19:07:38
We’re all just speculating here. Hope OP can clarify soon
I have a build planned around Shoko. Can’t wait!
Really liked Shoko and hope it will happen one way or another. Certainly, I would like to support OP as a designer and creator and refrain from buying from Kono at this moment, but hopefully, more clarity can be provided and it may not be too late to bring Kono on board again by communicating with them about possible new kits.
I even want to do work on some custom case colors for Shoko for Think2020...
Still hoping for that R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn to happen....
Do the airy blue cerakote like the one on Matrix 1.2 OG! That would be really dope. I'm getting Think2020 this time regardless.
Post by: DJ Shoko on Mon, 20 April 2020, 19:57:29
For the split base and numpad/ISO, the kits would look more akin to these:
More
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/iP3zyyDb.jpg)
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/akAL0otQ.jpg)
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/akAL0otQ.jpg)
This isn't a confirmed change yet, but it's just to give an idea on how the new kits would look like. Even the base kit is subject to change under these new changes, feedback on the split kits would even be appreciated even if I decide not to split it.
This is what I got from Kono when I canceled my order:I like to think that both me and Kono are in the wrong, since neither of us handled it well in my perspective. There's definitely communication issues and I think I should take a lot of the blame for it, that being said what they are saying isn't untrue either. I never gave them an update since I was waiting for the renders to be ready before presenting the second round's interest check, but they never updated me on a timeline or the renders being done either. There's multiple things I could've done better for sure like running the IC earlier without the renders or speaking to someone about the status of the renders or a proposed timeline. So to put it short, communication was weak on both ends from my perspective and I definitely should have spoke up earlier than I did to the involved parties.QuoteApologies, the designer for Shoko has been inconsistent — when he disappeared during the original GB we had to finish it without him.
He gave us the go-ahead for Round 2 and agreed to a rough timeline, but ghosted us again and stopped updating the set.
We kept the GB moving by using the files he submitted before the lapse in communications. The kits on the page are what was quoted with GMK for this run.
Hitting stop on the current set would result in delays and losses for everyone, especially during the pandemic.
I've cancelled your Order and issued a refund.
Please let me know if you need anything else,
It sounds like they're trying to blame OP for running this without his knowledge (even if there were communication issues, still don't see how it makes it OK to take OP's designs and do a GB on their own). Also not sure what "delays and losses for everyone" means since I wouldn't expect them to have paid for an order from GMK since GB didn't close yet.
To play devil's advocate, Kono probably invested in the renders (those renders look pretty nice) and probably couldn't wait any longer for design changes. There was probably an agreed upon timeline of some sorts.Yes Kono did pay for the MacSurfy renders as I stated in one of my previous posts. There wasn't an agreed timeline, but I did agree to the idea of running a second round. Again this is my side of the story, maybe they did have an agreed timeline within their HQ which is definitely plausible. To quote what I said in a previous post on this thread:
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"I got notified that Kono would be paying MacSurfy for the renders and I handed him the KLE via Google Drive on the kits I wanted rendered as well as the board. I thanked Kono for paying for the renders. I never got a message back from Kono or MacSurfy afterwards, as you can see I'm not blameless either I could've kept in contact with them or MacSurfy about the status of the renders. Now MacSurfy gave the renders to Kono since they are the client, but he did assume that I would also receive the renders because I am the designer."
To be fair to Kono what was described here about R1 by Kono was what I observed as well. That was the reason many people did not join R1 afaik. You can still find those comments in the R1 IC page.Yeah I handled Round 1 really poorly and with how I handled it, I don't blame people for being skeptical on the first round and for the first round going poorly, I have no one to blame but myself.
Hopefully, OP can come here more often and provide more communication for R2, and I will certainly join now the real pictures came out great.
Really liked Shoko and hope it will happen one way or another. Certainly, I would like to support OP as a designer and creator and refrain from buying from Kono at this moment, but hopefully, more clarity can be provided and it may not be too late to bring Kono on board again by communicating with them about possible new kits.The kits on Kono are considered final, since for them it'd mean refunding all orders and then getting a new quote from GMK and then putting up the kits again for sale. They also didn't seem interested in adding a new kit if they weren't interested in adding the Hiragana kit to their group buy page.
I even want to do work on some custom case colors for Shoko for Think2020...
Still hoping for that R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn to happen....
Can't wait for Shoko Red, Shoko Happy Sky, Shoko Distorted, and Shoko GoldHi Venny, Shoko 11 Red will be in another uhh 9 years with the rate GMK is able to produce keysets.
Thanks for your patience everyone and thank you for keeping up with me throughout all of this, I really appreciate it! If I missed anything, please let me know and I'll try to address it as soon as possible.
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 20 April 2020, 20:17:56
For the split base and numpad/ISO, the kits would look more akin to these:MoreShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/iP3zyyDb.jpg)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/akAL0otQ.jpg)
This isn't a confirmed change yet, but it's just to give an idea on how the new kits would look like. Even the base kit is subject to change under these new changes, feedback on the split kits would even be appreciated even if I decide not to split it.
1u Ctrl is missing from base. Looks good otherwise.
You may want to add R3 \| to the ISO kit, but it's not a must.
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 21 April 2020, 00:15:26
Slight update, well not really, GMK did respond and it was the response I was expecting. It is basically contact Kono about it instead, so the situation isn't really changing so far. That being said, I've been seeing a few post that I feel like I have to reply to about the whole situation. About the splitting the base kit and numpad and ISO kits, it's still being considered, but I wouldn't consider it a done deal just yet.
For the split base and numpad/ISO, the kits would look more akin to these:MoreShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/iP3zyyDb.jpg)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/akAL0otQ.jpg)
This isn't a confirmed change yet, but it's just to give an idea on how the new kits would look like. Even the base kit is subject to change under these new changes, feedback on the split kits would even be appreciated even if I decide not to split it.This is what I got from Kono when I canceled my order:I like to think that both me and Kono are in the wrong, since neither of us handled it well in my perspective. There's definitely communication issues and I think I should take a lot of the blame for it, that being said what they are saying isn't untrue either. I never gave them an update since I was waiting for the renders to be ready before presenting the second round's interest check, but they never updated me on a timeline or the renders being done either. There's multiple things I could've done better for sure like running the IC earlier without the renders or speaking to someone about the status of the renders or a proposed timeline. So to put it short, communication was weak on both ends from my perspective and I definitely should have spoke up earlier than I did to the involved parties.QuoteApologies, the designer for Shoko has been inconsistent — when he disappeared during the original GB we had to finish it without him.
He gave us the go-ahead for Round 2 and agreed to a rough timeline, but ghosted us again and stopped updating the set.
We kept the GB moving by using the files he submitted before the lapse in communications. The kits on the page are what was quoted with GMK for this run.
Hitting stop on the current set would result in delays and losses for everyone, especially during the pandemic.
I've cancelled your Order and issued a refund.
Please let me know if you need anything else,
It sounds like they're trying to blame OP for running this without his knowledge (even if there were communication issues, still don't see how it makes it OK to take OP's designs and do a GB on their own). Also not sure what "delays and losses for everyone" means since I wouldn't expect them to have paid for an order from GMK since GB didn't close yet.To play devil's advocate, Kono probably invested in the renders (those renders look pretty nice) and probably couldn't wait any longer for design changes. There was probably an agreed upon timeline of some sorts.Yes Kono did pay for the MacSurfy renders as I stated in one of my previous posts. There wasn't an agreed timeline, but I did agree to the idea of running a second round. Again this is my side of the story, maybe they did have an agreed timeline within their HQ which is definitely plausible. To quote what I said in a previous post on this thread:
Sent from my GM1911 using Tapatalk
"I got notified that Kono would be paying MacSurfy for the renders and I handed him the KLE via Google Drive on the kits I wanted rendered as well as the board. I thanked Kono for paying for the renders. I never got a message back from Kono or MacSurfy afterwards, as you can see I'm not blameless either I could've kept in contact with them or MacSurfy about the status of the renders. Now MacSurfy gave the renders to Kono since they are the client, but he did assume that I would also receive the renders because I am the designer."To be fair to Kono what was described here about R1 by Kono was what I observed as well. That was the reason many people did not join R1 afaik. You can still find those comments in the R1 IC page.Yeah I handled Round 1 really poorly and with how I handled it, I don't blame people for being skeptical on the first round and for the first round going poorly, I have no one to blame but myself.
Hopefully, OP can come here more often and provide more communication for R2, and I will certainly join now the real pictures came out great.Really liked Shoko and hope it will happen one way or another. Certainly, I would like to support OP as a designer and creator and refrain from buying from Kono at this moment, but hopefully, more clarity can be provided and it may not be too late to bring Kono on board again by communicating with them about possible new kits.The kits on Kono are considered final, since for them it'd mean refunding all orders and then getting a new quote from GMK and then putting up the kits again for sale. They also didn't seem interested in adding a new kit if they weren't interested in adding the Hiragana kit to their group buy page.
I even want to do work on some custom case colors for Shoko for Think2020...
Still hoping for that R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn to happen....Can't wait for Shoko Red, Shoko Happy Sky, Shoko Distorted, and Shoko GoldHi Venny, Shoko 11 Red will be in another uhh 9 years with the rate GMK is able to produce keysets.
Thanks for your patience everyone and thank you for keeping up with me throughout all of this, I really appreciate it! If I missed anything, please let me know and I'll try to address it as soon as possible.
Thanks for the prompt and detailed reply. And looking forward to R2 Shoko!
Post by: forevermadrigal on Tue, 21 April 2020, 00:57:19
Post by: DJ Shoko on Tue, 21 April 2020, 01:38:39
Is kono willing to split numpad/iso (which are technically kit changes), but not change a simple esc color?The split kits will be for the group buy after Kono if the split actually goes through.
Thanks for the feedback.For the split base and numpad/ISO, the kits would look more akin to these:MoreShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/iP3zyyDb.jpg)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/akAL0otQ.jpg)
This isn't a confirmed change yet, but it's just to give an idea on how the new kits would look like. Even the base kit is subject to change under these new changes, feedback on the split kits would even be appreciated even if I decide not to split it.
1u Ctrl is missing from base. Looks good otherwise.
You may want to add R3 \| to the ISO kit, but it's not a must.
Post by: whitty on Tue, 21 April 2020, 02:10:31
Post by: dvorcol on Tue, 21 April 2020, 21:08:51
(https://i.imgur.com/auAn5ak.png)
Post by: DJ Shoko on Tue, 21 April 2020, 22:18:05
That being said, I still am unsure if I would like to continue working with Kono on the set if I have a choice. Kono has done a lot for the set such as the MacSurfy renders and helping buy out the MOQ on the first round, so I do think Kono has done good things and I will not try to hide it. But I see the community's skepticism and lack of trust towards Kono with some of the handling of other keyset designers that they have ran group buys with in the past, people more reputable than me. I do see that the custom keyboard community believes that another vendor can do even better for the this set, and I do agree too after what has happened as of recent with the events of launching the group buy without my notification. What happens next is still up in the air and I do think there is a chance that the NA vendor will change if I so choose to. Regardless of what happens, I want the set to push forward and I do want to make the right choices when I know they are there.
I still appreciate everyone's patience with me about the whole situation here.
Since there is still discussion of splitting Base and Numpad, here are some past numpad kit take rates.That is a really nice graph with a lot of data, I appreciate it and it will come in handy on whether I decide to split the base kit or not.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/auAn5ak.png)
Post by: Boy_314 on Tue, 21 April 2020, 22:21:16
New update, Kono has gotten in contact with me about the whole situation and are willing to make compromises with me, they are putting a temporary halt on all orders at the moment and is willing to work with me to delay the group buy to figure out finalized kittings for the set and new renders for the kits as well. Kono is going to put out a public apology about the whole situation and possibly more insight to their side of the story on the situation and how it led up to it.
That being said, I still am unsure if I would like to continue working with Kono on the set if I have a choice. Kono has done a lot for the set such as the MacSurfy renders and helping buy out the MOQ on the first round, so I do think Kono has done good things and I will not try to hide it. But I see the community's skepticism and lack of trust towards Kono with some of the handling of other keyset designers that they have ran group buys with in the past, people more reputable than me. I do see that the custom keyboard community believes that another vendor can do even better for the this set, and I do agree too after what has happened as of recent with the events of launching the group buy without my notification. What happens next is still up in the air and I do think there is a chance that the NA vendor will change if I so choose to. Regardless of what happens, I want the set to push forward and I do want to make the right choices when I know they are there.
I still appreciate everyone's patience with me about the whole situation here.Since there is still discussion of splitting Base and Numpad, here are some past numpad kit take rates.That is a really nice graph with a lot of data, I appreciate it and it will come in handy on whether I decide to split the base kit or not.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/auAn5ak.png)
Great news! I hope round 2 will go much smoother, with better communication on all ends :thumb:
I'll try to join for all kits because this is my favorite set by a landslide :)
Post by: Mcnos on Wed, 22 April 2020, 07:41:45
Post by: tankskun on Wed, 22 April 2020, 13:06:06
:)
Post by: Honey on Wed, 22 April 2020, 15:36:26
Post by: DERBS on Wed, 22 April 2020, 16:39:23
Post by: Pach on Wed, 22 April 2020, 16:50:54
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 23 April 2020, 19:23:38
I do see Kono took it down: https://kono.store/products/gmk-shoko
Post by: Tennstrong on Thu, 23 April 2020, 19:48:47
Post by: ricepixer on Fri, 24 April 2020, 01:06:26
Regarding Kono- as an outside party it seems in the best interest of both of you to settle on kitting/run there, both to keep the support of die-hards who have already bought-in (full refunds are no longer a thing), respect the impact kono did have on running shoko r1, and minimize the nuisance this is causing for those trying to keep up with a miscommunication between designer/vendor. Personally, I don't see the spiteful 'kono did me wrong, new vendor time' as a mature or appropriate public response to issues between the two of you. I really like this set, I want it to go as you intended, but at a point some concessions need to be made on both parts to reconcile and prevent dragging this set's name through the mud any further.
Yes I completely agree with this one as the best solution to a tough case like this. An ideal case for us would be to have Kono cancel the current run as is, communicate that there will be changes as currently designed by you, and then relist it soon with the proper changes. That way there is compromise, you won't seem spiteful, and the buyers are happy. If Kono just runs the current set as is, their sales for this one will be much lower due to what has happened here, so it really is in their best interest to take it back, even if it costs them initially.
Either way, I will follow whatever you decide to do Ray! Can't wait for this set (as long as I get that accented Esc in the base set).
Post by: Scucka on Fri, 24 April 2020, 04:24:24
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 24 April 2020, 11:06:06
Regarding Kono- as an outside party it seems in the best interest of both of you to settle on kitting/run there, both to keep the support of die-hards who have already bought-in (full refunds are no longer a thing), respect the impact kono did have on running shoko r1, and minimize the nuisance this is causing for those trying to keep up with a miscommunication between designer/vendor. Personally, I don't see the spiteful 'kono did me wrong, new vendor time' as a mature or appropriate public response to issues between the two of you. I really like this set, I want it to go as you intended, but at a point some concessions need to be made on both parts to reconcile and prevent dragging this set's name through the mud any further.
Very well said, I agree.
Post by: DJ Shoko on Sat, 25 April 2020, 00:21:39
I'm so excited as this will be my first GMK set. Nothing even comes close to this set out there for me. Will follow RaySasQuach for the official Shoko R2 decision whether thats with Kono or another vendor (EU too please).I think I will reveal the EU proxy very soon... maybe a few other goodies too.
:)
Post by: Boy_314 on Sat, 25 April 2020, 00:44:11
Vendor update, sorry I have been busy as of late. It has been a tough decision for me to make, but I do believe that trying to work things out with Kono first is the most ethical course of action. I know not everyone will agree with my choice here, and I do certainly know people who will disagree with it. But as I said before, I do want to make the right choice, not just for this group buy, but for also what's morally correct. While I was very unhappy on their launching of the group buy without my knowledge, I do think that they at need to at least be given a chance to make up for me and the community for this hiccup. This has been a difficult decision on my end and I do hope everyone will respect it.I'm so excited as this will be my first GMK set. Nothing even comes close to this set out there for me. Will follow RaySasQuach for the official Shoko R2 decision whether thats with Kono or another vendor (EU too please).I think I will reveal the EU proxy very soon... maybe a few other goodies too.
:)
👀👀👀👀👀
Post by: huey on Sat, 25 April 2020, 03:32:06
Post by: tankskun on Sat, 25 April 2020, 09:32:42
Vendor update, sorry I have been busy as of late. It has been a tough decision for me to make, but I do believe that trying to work things out with Kono first is the most ethical course of action. I know not everyone will agree with my choice here, and I do certainly know people who will disagree with it. But as I said before, I do want to make the right choice, not just for this group buy, but for also what's morally correct. While I was very unhappy on their launching of the group buy without my knowledge, I do think that they at need to at least be given a chance to make up for me and the community for this hiccup. This has been a difficult decision on my end and I do hope everyone will respect it.I'm so excited as this will be my first GMK set. Nothing even comes close to this set out there for me. Will follow RaySasQuach for the official Shoko R2 decision whether thats with Kono or another vendor (EU too please).I think I will reveal the EU proxy very soon... maybe a few other goodies too.
:)
Great news. Thanks for not forgetting us in EU :thumb:
Post by: zzkhan1996 on Sun, 26 April 2020, 18:42:16
Post by: artyboy on Sun, 26 April 2020, 23:09:15
Post by: cicy1030 on Tue, 28 April 2020, 00:28:45
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Post by: oldcat on Tue, 28 April 2020, 02:36:39
Split the numpad
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Post by: DJ Shoko on Wed, 29 April 2020, 00:34:07
Kono is going to post an apology message here shortly describing what happened and I hope everyone will take a look and appreciate it.
For the splitting the numpad, I am going opt for it, I am trying to slim the base kit enough to make it reach the sub-$110 range. I do believe that this set will reach a high MOQ and I think splitting the numpad would be appropriate in this case. Maybe I'm wrong about it, but this is what I believe is an appropriate choice to make on an established and popular set, especially one many people have missed out on in the first round. I also am going to opt against the text+icon mod kits, because I don't think there is a high enough demand for it.
I am also happy to announce Proto[Typist] (https://prototypist.net) for the EU proxy and I hope everyone is happy with that choice.
These are more or less going to be the final kits I'd imagine, but I'm still free to suggestions at the moment:
More
Base Kit
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/xwj1LYUk.png)
Numpad Kit
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/HQcLJS88.png)
Kobe/Mono Hiragana Kit
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/0IqzAWQh.png)
Obscure Kit
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/X5qqoUih.png)
Spacebar Kit
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/dUv22CwG.png)
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/xwj1LYUk.png)
Numpad Kit
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/HQcLJS88.png)
Kobe/Mono Hiragana Kit
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/0IqzAWQh.png)
Obscure Kit
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/X5qqoUih.png)
Spacebar Kit
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/dUv22CwG.png)
Would you also consider deskhero for a Canadian vendor?Hmm, lemme check if Apex Keyboard would be down.
Please can you consider to add Zfrontier as the vendor in Asia as well? I can't get it if it's on IlumkbI was thinking about having them as the Chinese vendor, lemme go ask them if they're willing to be a proxy though.
Post by: whitty on Wed, 29 April 2020, 00:38:35
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 29 April 2020, 00:56:12
These are more or less going to be the final kits I'd imagine, but I'm still free to suggestions at the moment:MoreBase KitShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/xwj1LYUk.png)
Numpad KitShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/HQcLJS88.png)
Kobe/Mono Hiragana KitShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/0IqzAWQh.png)
Obscure KitShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/X5qqoUih.png)
Spacebar KitShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/dUv22CwG.png)
Given the decision to split, the kits are looking really good atm. +1 for deciding to use 1.5u Function instead of another Super. That gives it ever so slightly more versatility, while not compromising too much.
Two things:
1) Are the 6u spacebars going to be centered stem or off-centered stem?
2) I don't think the 1.75u space in the Obscure kit is going to be useful in and of itself. Afaik, only three 40% boards use this key (Vortex Core, Daisy, JD40), the latter of which actually requires two of them. Maybe consider including a 1.25u space key instead? More boards use it, and it's a useful key for split spacebar in general (e.g. 2.75+1.25+2.25, 2+1.25 Alice setups etc.).
Post by: DJ Shoko on Wed, 29 April 2020, 01:05:03
These are more or less going to be the final kits I'd imagine, but I'm still free to suggestions at the moment:MoreBase KitShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/xwj1LYUk.png)
Numpad KitShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/HQcLJS88.png)
Kobe/Mono Hiragana KitShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/0IqzAWQh.png)
Obscure KitShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/X5qqoUih.png)
Spacebar KitShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/dUv22CwG.png)
Given the decision to split, the kits are looking really good atm. +1 for deciding to use 1.5u Function instead of another Super. That gives it ever so slightly more versatility, while not compromising too much.
Two things:
1) Are the 6u spacebars going to be centered stem or off-centered stem?
2) I don't think the 1.75u space in the Obscure kit is going to be useful in and of itself. Afaik, only three 40% boards use this key (Vortex Core, Daisy, JD40), the latter of which actually requires two of them. Maybe consider including a 1.25u space key instead? More boards use it, and it's a useful key for split spacebar in general (e.g. 2.75+1.25+2.25, 2+1.25 Alice setups etc.).
1) They are going to be centered, I probably should mention that.
2) I actually haven't seen anyone suggest it yet when I asked the 40% Discord about changes that should be made to the 40's kit a while back, but I'll keep it in mind.
Post by: //gainsborough on Wed, 29 April 2020, 01:33:04
Post by: Tennstrong on Wed, 29 April 2020, 01:34:19
Post by: Blank on Wed, 29 April 2020, 04:18:46
Hello, sorry for the lack of updates lately, but there are a few things.
Kono is going to post an apology message here shortly describing what happened and I hope everyone will take a look and appreciate it.
For the splitting the numpad, I am going opt for it, I am trying to slim the base kit enough to make it reach the sub-$110 range. I do believe that this set will reach a high MOQ and I think splitting the numpad would be appropriate in this case. Maybe I'm wrong about it, but this is what I believe is an appropriate choice to make on an established and popular set, especially one many people have missed out on in the first round. I also am going to opt against the text+icon mod kits, because I don't think there is a high enough demand for it.
I am also happy to announce Proto[Typist] (https://prototypist.net) for the EU proxy and I hope everyone is happy with that choice.
These are more or less going to be the final kits I'd imagine, but I'm still free to suggestions at the moment:MoreBase KitShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/xwj1LYUk.png)
Numpad KitShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/HQcLJS88.png)
Kobe/Mono Hiragana KitShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/0IqzAWQh.png)
Obscure KitShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/X5qqoUih.png)
Spacebar KitShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/dUv22CwG.png)Would you also consider deskhero for a Canadian vendor?Hmm, lemme check if Apex Keyboard would be down.Please can you consider to add Zfrontier as the vendor in Asia as well? I can't get it if it's on IlumkbI was thinking about having them as the Chinese vendor, lemme go ask them if they're willing to be a proxy though.
Problem with prototypist is that they are not a part of EU anymore
Post by: SMOKEY on Wed, 29 April 2020, 04:59:57
Post by: forevermadrigal on Wed, 29 April 2020, 07:28:13
Post by: belerian on Wed, 29 April 2020, 09:24:46
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 29 April 2020, 09:38:19
Great news that the kits are being split! Although it would have been nice to also keep the 1.75U Function key for CapsLock in the base kit :(
As someone who uses Fn on Caps Lock on most of their keyboards, I actually think it's fine this way. The down arrow icon is fairly vague and leaves a lot open to interpretation, so it can also serve as an Fn key. Furthermore, having a “Function” text modifier in the middle of icon mods doesn't look so nice imo.
Problem with prototypist is that they are not a part of EU anymore
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105650.msg2887229#msg2887229
tl;dr: It doesn't matter because the GB is going to take place before 2021.
Post by: CaptainVinceO2 on Wed, 29 April 2020, 10:40:07
Hello, sorry for the lack of updates lately, but there are a few things.
Kono is going to post an apology message here shortly describing what happened and I hope everyone will take a look and appreciate it.
For the splitting the numpad, I am going opt for it, I am trying to slim the base kit enough to make it reach the sub-$110 range. I do believe that this set will reach a high MOQ and I think splitting the numpad would be appropriate in this case. Maybe I'm wrong about it, but this is what I believe is an appropriate choice to make on an established and popular set, especially one many people have missed out on in the first round. I also am going to opt against the text+icon mod kits, because I don't think there is a high enough demand for it.
I am also happy to announce Proto[Typist] (https://prototypist.net) for the EU proxy and I hope everyone is happy with that choice.
These are more or less going to be the final kits I'd imagine, but I'm still free to suggestions at the moment:MoreBase KitShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/xwj1LYUk.png)
Numpad KitShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/HQcLJS88.png)
Kobe/Mono Hiragana KitShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/0IqzAWQh.png)
Obscure KitShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/X5qqoUih.png)
Spacebar KitShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/dUv22CwG.png)Would you also consider deskhero for a Canadian vendor?Hmm, lemme check if Apex Keyboard would be down.Please can you consider to add Zfrontier as the vendor in Asia as well? I can't get it if it's on IlumkbI was thinking about having them as the Chinese vendor, lemme go ask them if they're willing to be a proxy though.
Hey! I don't usually run GMK sets but a lot of people pm'd me to proxy so feel free to pm me at ApexKeyboards#0001 on discord to discuss the info. If it doesn't work out I'll get you in touch with Deskhero who usually runs GMK sets.
Post by: SuddenlyDonkey on Wed, 29 April 2020, 11:50:01
Post by: HungerMechanic on Wed, 29 April 2020, 12:29:29
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 29 April 2020, 12:30:35
Normally I'm not a fan of splitting the numpad away from the base kit, but I have the perfect TKL for this set.
Haha, split it!
Post by: skolty on Wed, 29 April 2020, 15:15:42
It says on Kono that it is sold out, but is that accurate? Basically I'm trying to figure out if it will open back up and if I can still buy it on Kono. I love these keycaps and just wanted to see if I'm too late or not
Post by: belerian on Wed, 29 April 2020, 15:26:20
Hi, sorry for the dumb question but I've never participated in a group buy before so I don't completely understand how they work tbh.
It says on Kono that it is sold out, but is that accurate? Basically I'm trying to figure out if it will open back up and if I can still buy it on Kono. I love these keycaps and just wanted to see if I'm too late or not
You're not too late. The group buy has not been started yet so you will be able to buy the set from Kono in the near future.
Post by: dom on Wed, 29 April 2020, 15:34:42
Will join, 100%.
Post by: Kono Store on Wed, 29 April 2020, 15:50:04
Shoko R2 Status: Paused
We’re placing the group buy on hold temporarily (new sales have stopped) and awaiting Ray’s kit update completion timeline. This will delay set production due to redesigns / requotes / new renders, the pandemic’s global fallout, and later production slots. Easy cancellations / complete refunds / store credits are available for anyone who doesn’t want to keep their Shoko R2 order. If you keep your order, or want to change it, we’ll update it via some edits later on (may require a second payment or refund if GMK changes quote amounts).
What Happened?
RaySasQuach was unable to make certain critical decisions during Shoko R1. To ensure production, Kono had to take the initiative and make time-sensitive choices about his set. Ray was pleased with our results, and we assumed that he was handling a personal problem, so it seemed like a functional working relationship.
After authorizing Shoko R2 in our designer chatroom, Ray was offline for a while. He gave us a source for kits much later; we thought they were fully updated so we forged ahead. We were accustomed to keeping things in motion, so we didn’t push for additional communications as the group buy took form and launched.
Ray’s group buy halt request arrived on April 10. We were under peak pressure due to the pandemic and an unexpectedly early shipping shutdown at our warehouse. Context aside, our response was lame. His missive was a surprise and we had tunnel vision about running the set as it was quoted. After reviewing the situation, we followed up with Ray directly — no mass messages were sent until he was in the loop.
Kono apologizes to the community for this disruption. Kono & RaySasQuach will move forward, fix communications, and deliver Shoko R2. Thank you for supporting his vision!
Post by: Boy_314 on Wed, 29 April 2020, 15:52:27
Hello everyone! We apologize to RaySasQuach / Shoko for jumping the gun and handling his resulting discomfort poorly. He’s a talented designer and we enjoy working with him. After addressing next steps for Shoko R2, we’ll describe what happened — it’s an opportunity for transparency and growth.
Shoko R2 Status: Paused
We’re placing the group buy on hold temporarily (new sales have stopped) and awaiting Ray’s kit update completion timeline. This will delay set production due to redesigns / requotes / new renders, the pandemic’s global fallout, and later production slots. Easy cancellations / complete refunds / store credits are available for anyone who doesn’t want to keep their Shoko R2 order. If you keep your order, or want to change it, we’ll update it via some edits later on (may require a second payment or refund if GMK changes quote amounts).
What Happened?
RaySasQuach was unable to make certain critical decisions during Shoko R1. To ensure production, Kono had to take the initiative and make time-sensitive choices about his set. Ray was pleased with our results, and we assumed that he was handling a personal problem, so it seemed like a functional working relationship.
After authorizing Shoko R2 in our designer chatroom, Ray was offline for a while. He gave us a source for kits much later; we thought they were fully updated so we forged ahead. We were accustomed to keeping things in motion, so we didn’t push for additional communications as the group buy took form and launched.
Ray’s group buy halt request arrived on April 10. We were under peak pressure due to the pandemic and an unexpectedly early shipping shutdown at our warehouse. Context aside, our response was lame. His missive was a surprise and we had tunnel vision about running the set as it was quoted. After reviewing the situation, we followed up with Ray directly — no mass messages were sent until he was in the loop.
Kono apologizes to the community for this disruption. Kono & RaySasQuach will move forward, fix communications, and deliver Shoko R2. Thank you for supporting his vision!
Glad things are sorted out. I hope communication between designer and vendor only continues to improve from here on out :thumb:
Post by: Scucka on Wed, 29 April 2020, 15:53:17
Hello everyone! We apologize to RaySasQuach / Shoko for jumping the gun and handling his resulting discomfort poorly. He’s a talented designer and we enjoy working with him. After addressing next steps for Shoko R2, we’ll describe what happened — it’s an opportunity for transparency and growth.:thumb:
Shoko R2 Status: Paused
We’re placing the group buy on hold temporarily (new sales have stopped) and awaiting Ray’s kit update completion timeline. This will delay set production due to redesigns / requotes / new renders, the pandemic’s global fallout, and later production slots. Easy cancellations / complete refunds / store credits are available for anyone who doesn’t want to keep their Shoko R2 order. If you keep your order, or want to change it, we’ll update it via some edits later on (may require a second payment or refund if GMK changes quote amounts).
What Happened?
RaySasQuach was unable to make certain critical decisions during Shoko R1. To ensure production, Kono had to take the initiative and make time-sensitive choices about his set. Ray was pleased with our results, and we assumed that he was handling a personal problem, so it seemed like a functional working relationship.
After authorizing Shoko R2 in our designer chatroom, Ray was offline for a while. He gave us a source for kits much later; we thought they were fully updated so we forged ahead. We were accustomed to keeping things in motion, so we didn’t push for additional communications as the group buy took form and launched.
Ray’s group buy halt request arrived on April 10. We were under peak pressure due to the pandemic and an unexpectedly early shipping shutdown at our warehouse. Context aside, our response was lame. His missive was a surprise and we had tunnel vision about running the set as it was quoted. After reviewing the situation, we followed up with Ray directly — no mass messages were sent until he was in the loop.
Kono apologizes to the community for this disruption. Kono & RaySasQuach will move forward, fix communications, and deliver Shoko R2. Thank you for supporting his vision!
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 29 April 2020, 16:03:06
ALL IN.
ALL IN.
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 29 April 2020, 16:03:48
Hello everyone! We apologize to RaySasQuach / Shoko for jumping the gun and handling his resulting discomfort poorly. He’s a talented designer and we enjoy working with him. After addressing next steps for Shoko R2, we’ll describe what happened — it’s an opportunity for transparency and growth.
Shoko R2 Status: Paused
We’re placing the group buy on hold temporarily (new sales have stopped) and awaiting Ray’s kit update completion timeline. This will delay set production due to redesigns / requotes / new renders, the pandemic’s global fallout, and later production slots. Easy cancellations / complete refunds / store credits are available for anyone who doesn’t want to keep their Shoko R2 order. If you keep your order, or want to change it, we’ll update it via some edits later on (may require a second payment or refund if GMK changes quote amounts).
What Happened?
RaySasQuach was unable to make certain critical decisions during Shoko R1. To ensure production, Kono had to take the initiative and make time-sensitive choices about his set. Ray was pleased with our results, and we assumed that he was handling a personal problem, so it seemed like a functional working relationship.
After authorizing Shoko R2 in our designer chatroom, Ray was offline for a while. He gave us a source for kits much later; we thought they were fully updated so we forged ahead. We were accustomed to keeping things in motion, so we didn’t push for additional communications as the group buy took form and launched.
Ray’s group buy halt request arrived on April 10. We were under peak pressure due to the pandemic and an unexpectedly early shipping shutdown at our warehouse. Context aside, our response was lame. His missive was a surprise and we had tunnel vision about running the set as it was quoted. After reviewing the situation, we followed up with Ray directly — no mass messages were sent until he was in the loop.
Kono apologizes to the community for this disruption. Kono & RaySasQuach will move forward, fix communications, and deliver Shoko R2. Thank you for supporting his vision!
Thank you Kono!
Post by: //gainsborough on Wed, 29 April 2020, 16:34:52
Hello everyone! We apologize to RaySasQuach / Shoko for jumping the gun and handling his resulting discomfort poorly. He’s a talented designer and we enjoy working with him. After addressing next steps for Shoko R2, we’ll describe what happened — it’s an opportunity for transparency and growth.
Shoko R2 Status: Paused
We’re placing the group buy on hold temporarily (new sales have stopped) and awaiting Ray’s kit update completion timeline. This will delay set production due to redesigns / requotes / new renders, the pandemic’s global fallout, and later production slots. Easy cancellations / complete refunds / store credits are available for anyone who doesn’t want to keep their Shoko R2 order. If you keep your order, or want to change it, we’ll update it via some edits later on (may require a second payment or refund if GMK changes quote amounts).
What Happened?
RaySasQuach was unable to make certain critical decisions during Shoko R1. To ensure production, Kono had to take the initiative and make time-sensitive choices about his set. Ray was pleased with our results, and we assumed that he was handling a personal problem, so it seemed like a functional working relationship.
After authorizing Shoko R2 in our designer chatroom, Ray was offline for a while. He gave us a source for kits much later; we thought they were fully updated so we forged ahead. We were accustomed to keeping things in motion, so we didn’t push for additional communications as the group buy took form and launched.
Ray’s group buy halt request arrived on April 10. We were under peak pressure due to the pandemic and an unexpectedly early shipping shutdown at our warehouse. Context aside, our response was lame. His missive was a surprise and we had tunnel vision about running the set as it was quoted. After reviewing the situation, we followed up with Ray directly — no mass messages were sent until he was in the loop.
Kono apologizes to the community for this disruption. Kono & RaySasQuach will move forward, fix communications, and deliver Shoko R2. Thank you for supporting his vision!
Glad things are sorted out. I hope communication between designer and vendor only continues to improve from here on out :thumb:
Very cool. Thanks, Kono!
Post by: Daellin on Wed, 29 April 2020, 17:25:04
Post by: yicaoyimu on Wed, 29 April 2020, 17:31:32
Hello everyone! We apologize to RaySasQuach / Shoko for jumping the gun and handling his resulting discomfort poorly. He’s a talented designer and we enjoy working with him. After addressing next steps for Shoko R2, we’ll describe what happened — it’s an opportunity for transparency and growth.
Shoko R2 Status: Paused
We’re placing the group buy on hold temporarily (new sales have stopped) and awaiting Ray’s kit update completion timeline. This will delay set production due to redesigns / requotes / new renders, the pandemic’s global fallout, and later production slots. Easy cancellations / complete refunds / store credits are available for anyone who doesn’t want to keep their Shoko R2 order. If you keep your order, or want to change it, we’ll update it via some edits later on (may require a second payment or refund if GMK changes quote amounts).
What Happened?
RaySasQuach was unable to make certain critical decisions during Shoko R1. To ensure production, Kono had to take the initiative and make time-sensitive choices about his set. Ray was pleased with our results, and we assumed that he was handling a personal problem, so it seemed like a functional working relationship.
After authorizing Shoko R2 in our designer chatroom, Ray was offline for a while. He gave us a source for kits much later; we thought they were fully updated so we forged ahead. We were accustomed to keeping things in motion, so we didn’t push for additional communications as the group buy took form and launched.
Ray’s group buy halt request arrived on April 10. We were under peak pressure due to the pandemic and an unexpectedly early shipping shutdown at our warehouse. Context aside, our response was lame. His missive was a surprise and we had tunnel vision about running the set as it was quoted. After reviewing the situation, we followed up with Ray directly — no mass messages were sent until he was in the loop.
Kono apologizes to the community for this disruption. Kono & RaySasQuach will move forward, fix communications, and deliver Shoko R2. Thank you for supporting his vision!
Thanks for being so transparent with this issue! Excited for round 2.
Post by: twistitup on Wed, 29 April 2020, 17:49:43
Post by: thornkin on Wed, 29 April 2020, 22:25:36
Post by: DERBS on Wed, 29 April 2020, 23:28:50
Please do not split numpad, it costs ~9$ to add to base from gmk, adds ~29$ raw cost as a kit. That aside, glad to hear things are sorting out.
+1 for not splitting numpad.
Post by: nightdriver on Thu, 30 April 2020, 01:19:23
also, i don't understand why anyone would want a white accent escape key. that would just look weird. seems like it has to be a mistake.
Post by: ideoidiom on Thu, 30 April 2020, 10:43:11
Post by: phat schlong on Thu, 30 April 2020, 14:03:58
Post by: MacSurfy on Fri, 01 May 2020, 00:01:40
It's infuriating and I'd really rather eat the $10 or whatever upfront cost than to go through that again.
Your argument is based on that you wouldn't mind paying extra for something you need. Of course you wouldn't. Question is if the majority of the buyers want to pay extra for something they don't need.
Post by: blank++ on Fri, 01 May 2020, 00:17:52
With that being said I'm in!!
Still very curious about what the other goodies you mentioned will be...
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Fri, 01 May 2020, 00:21:06
Please don't split the numpad. It saves a few dollars now but only adds regret later when the aftermarket value of numpad kits reach the $80+. It's happened time and time again and its awful. It's infuriating and I'd really rather eat the $10 or whatever upfront cost than to go through that again.
I'm a numpad user. Split off numpads add about 20-30$ to the total cost of a base kit for me vs the integrated kit. I skip about a set every month or two that I'd probably have bought if it was integrated. If numpads reliably ran up in value we'd see more extras being bought and the market filling that void a bit, but if you're sure you're right...you should buy numpads! That ROI would be better than my pre covid mutual fund.
Minimal and striker numpads are expensive, it's true. But Eclipse and Jamon numpads really, really aren't-they're sold less than the regular price. Others have scaled relative to the cost of the base set aftermarket. I think it's hard to say how they'll act aftermarket, and that's often true for individual sets, although the net result for aftermarket is a significant increase in price.
I sorta wonder when F row keys will join the numpad...
Post by: ideoidiom on Fri, 01 May 2020, 02:40:34
It's infuriating and I'd really rather eat the $10 or whatever upfront cost than to go through that again.
Your argument is based on that you wouldn't mind paying extra for something you need. Of course you wouldn't. Question is if the majority of the buyers want to pay extra for something they don't need.
Please don't split the numpad. It saves a few dollars now but only adds regret later when the aftermarket value of numpad kits reach the $80+. It's happened time and time again and its awful. It's infuriating and I'd really rather eat the $10 or whatever upfront cost than to go through that again.
I'm a numpad user. Split off numpads add about 20-30$ to the total cost of a base kit for me vs the integrated kit. I skip about a set every month or two that I'd probably have bought if it was integrated. If numpads reliably ran up in value we'd see more extras being bought and the market filling that void a bit, but if you're sure you're right...you should buy numpads! That ROI would be better than my pre covid mutual fund.
Minimal and striker numpads are expensive, it's true. But Eclipse and Jamon numpads really, really aren't-they're sold less than the regular price. Others have scaled relative to the cost of the base set aftermarket. I think it's hard to say how they'll act aftermarket, and that's often true for individual sets, although the net result for aftermarket is a significant increase in price.
I sorta wonder when F row keys will join the numpad...
As is with most things in this hobby, it's mostly the rarity and the shipping that tanks the value for money math. As someone who lives in Canada (or really anywhere in the world where shipping from the US isn't dirt cheap), this is why I hate split numpads:
- The aftermarket. Not everyone is always tuned into keycap news and people miss group buys all the time, which is how prices get so crazy. For lots of people their first encounter with this set would be on a r/mk front page, long after the gb is done. For them to hunt this down this set is already hard enough, but to find a set with both base and numpad just makes it that much harder. Granted it hurts less for this set since there'd only be 2 or 3 main kits if you split num, but hunting kits one by one really sucks for anyone not in the US. Worst yet, there are those that just bought every kit seeking to flip and won't sell the numpad unless you buy every other kit in the bundle. Usually what ends up happening is we wait for a seller with exactly the kits we need and pray we don't get sniped first. And if you don't constantly refresh mechmarket, that's just not happening.
- It's 42% of the community we're talking about here.... (see r/Mk megapoll). It's not some obscure kit, is the efficiency problem you create really worth the $30 or so that you're saving when the resale value is likely $250 plus?
I'll be fine since I caught this GB early and will nab my numpad regardless, but just speaking from experience, numpad less hurts this set in the long run.
Post by: Hanabi on Fri, 01 May 2020, 03:38:39
Post by: whitty on Fri, 01 May 2020, 10:57:53
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Post by: tominabox1 on Fri, 01 May 2020, 11:01:58
You numpad users are an excessively vocal 21%
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21% vs 14% (40s users) battle royale :))
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Fri, 01 May 2020, 13:17:29
You numpad users are an excessively vocal 21%
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I’m probably not the only one who skips a group buy if it has split numpad and I was on the fence. Can probably get 7 sets w included numpad in the base kit vs 6 buying separately. I think 35-40% might like numpad inclusion but it’s def not the majority.
Post by: ideoidiom on Fri, 01 May 2020, 14:29:55
You numpad users are an excessively vocal 21%
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Hey standalone numpads and southpaw need caps too, I didn't cherrypick the numbers
Post by: whitty on Fri, 01 May 2020, 14:52:12
There’s a graph that puts GMK at 21% in this threadYou numpad users are an excessively vocal 21%
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I’m probably not the only one who skips a group buy if it has split numpad and I was on the fence. Can probably get 7 sets w included numpad in the base kit vs 6 buying separately. I think 35-40% might like numpad inclusion but it’s def not the majority.
. Also, the counter to your argument is I can buy 7 base kits without numpad vs 6 with Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: whitty on Fri, 01 May 2020, 14:53:27
Take a look at the graph posted in this thread regarding numpadsYou numpad users are an excessively vocal 21%
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Hey standalone numpads and southpaw need caps too, I didn't cherrypick the numbers
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Post by: ideoidiom on Fri, 01 May 2020, 17:29:54
Take a look at the graph posted in this thread regarding numpadsYou numpad users are an excessively vocal 21%
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Hey standalone numpads and southpaw need caps too, I didn't cherrypick the numbers
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GH is not the entirety of the market for this set, if anything you're selecting for a crowd that's less likely to want a numpad. I don't have hard data to prove this, but I'd wager the r/mk crowd has a bigger base and contributes more to this set when it does eventually launch. This is why I think the r/mk megapoll better represents demand, both because of the sheer raw sample size and because of higher accessibility.
Post by: scoopbb on Fri, 01 May 2020, 17:55:44
Post by: whitty on Fri, 01 May 2020, 19:21:56
Take a look at the graph posted in this thread regarding numpadsYou numpad users are an excessively vocal 21%
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Hey standalone numpads and southpaw need caps too, I didn't cherrypick the numbers
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GH is not the entirety of the market for this set, if anything you're selecting for a crowd that's less likely to want a numpad. I don't have hard data to prove this, but I'd wager the r/mk crowd has a bigger base and contributes more to this set when it does eventually launch. This is why I think the r/mk megapoll better represents demand, both because of the sheer raw sample size and because of higher accessibility.
lmao what are you talking about? it isn’t stated anywhere that dvorcol's graph is only geekhack numbers. the graph represents the entirety of kits sold in the group buy :thumb:
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Fri, 01 May 2020, 19:32:06
Post by: ideoidiom on Fri, 01 May 2020, 20:12:44
Take a look at the graph posted in this thread regarding numpadsYou numpad users are an excessively vocal 21%
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Hey standalone numpads and southpaw need caps too, I didn't cherrypick the numbers
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GH is not the entirety of the market for this set, if anything you're selecting for a crowd that's less likely to want a numpad. I don't have hard data to prove this, but I'd wager the r/mk crowd has a bigger base and contributes more to this set when it does eventually launch. This is why I think the r/mk megapoll better represents demand, both because of the sheer raw sample size and because of higher accessibility.
lmao what are you talking about? it isn’t stated anywhere that dvorcol's graph is only geekhack numbers. the graph represents the entirety of kits sold in the group buy :thumb:
Ok so I took a look the graph you kept referencing, my apologies for assuming it was a poll without actually checking. Just to quote graph in question:
Since there is still discussion of splitting Base and Numpad, here are some past numpad kit take rates.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/auAn5ak.png)
and the biggest thing that stood out is that relative to other profiles, the GMK numpads (not run by massdrop) usually costs between 35%-50% of the base kit whereas pretty much every other profile keeps it under 30% of base kit. It's no wonder the GMK numbers are so low. If anything, the other profiles seem to be more in line with the demand seen in the r/mk megapoll and GMK is the outlier.
This is probably the result of the base kits quoted based on high MOQ (likely 500+) and numpads conservatively low MOQs. When you look at GMK sets run by massdrop, which have a sliding MOQ system, you usually see numpads reliably hitting 30% of base kit purchases, nowhere near the 21% take rate for sets where numpads range from a flat $38-48. What's more is, usually if you add up the numbers for sets where base and num are split, they almost always go over what I'd consider the average price of a GMK set at $130.
Here then is my problem with this mindset: you're asking numpad users (which seems more and more likely to be >30% of people) to pay for your discount when, if bundled together, would probably be cheaper than buying base and numpad separately.
I mean, in theory, that's fine -- it's their problem right? It's a free market, you save $20 and I pay an extra $20, what's the big deal? But my argument is that for all the reasons I listed in the post above, that because of the nature of this hobby, that it's disproportionally worse than the $20 on paper.
Post by: ggmoss on Sat, 02 May 2020, 03:06:00
Post by: Mcnos on Sat, 02 May 2020, 04:28:09
Take a look at the graph posted in this thread regarding numpadsYou numpad users are an excessively vocal 21%
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Hey standalone numpads and southpaw need caps too, I didn't cherrypick the numbers
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GH is not the entirety of the market for this set, if anything you're selecting for a crowd that's less likely to want a numpad. I don't have hard data to prove this, but I'd wager the r/mk crowd has a bigger base and contributes more to this set when it does eventually launch. This is why I think the r/mk megapoll better represents demand, both because of the sheer raw sample size and because of higher accessibility.
lmao what are you talking about? it isn’t stated anywhere that dvorcol's graph is only geekhack numbers. the graph represents the entirety of kits sold in the group buy :thumb:
Ok so I took a look the graph you kept referencing, my apologies for assuming it was a poll without actually checking. Just to quote graph in question:Since there is still discussion of splitting Base and Numpad, here are some past numpad kit take rates.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/auAn5ak.png)
and the biggest thing that stood out is that relative to other profiles, the GMK numpads (not run by massdrop) usually costs between 35%-50% of the base kit whereas pretty much every other profile keeps it under 30% of base kit. It's no wonder the GMK numbers are so low. If anything, the other profiles seem to be more in line with the demand seen in the r/mk megapoll and GMK is the outlier.
This is probably the result of the base kits quoted based on high MOQ (likely 500+) and numpads conservatively low MOQs. When you look at GMK sets run by massdrop, which have a sliding MOQ system, you usually see numpads reliably hitting 30% of base kit purchases, nowhere near the 21% take rate for sets where numpads range from a flat $38-48. What's more is, usually if you add up the numbers for sets where base and num are split, they almost always go over what I'd consider the average price of a GMK set at $130.
Here then is my problem with this mindset: you're asking numpad users (which seems more and more likely to be >30% of people) to pay for your discount when, if bundled together, would probably be cheaper than buying base and numpad separately.
I mean, in theory, that's fine -- it's their problem right? It's a free market, you save $20 and I pay an extra $20, what's the big deal? But my argument is that for all the reasons I listed in the post above, that because of the nature of this hobby, that it's disproportionally worse than the $20 on paper.
This is also the same cry that obscure layout users also experience.
Post by: DrHigsby on Sat, 02 May 2020, 04:41:47
Take a look at the graph posted in this thread regarding numpadsYou numpad users are an excessively vocal 21%
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Hey standalone numpads and southpaw need caps too, I didn't cherrypick the numbers
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GH is not the entirety of the market for this set, if anything you're selecting for a crowd that's less likely to want a numpad. I don't have hard data to prove this, but I'd wager the r/mk crowd has a bigger base and contributes more to this set when it does eventually launch. This is why I think the r/mk megapoll better represents demand, both because of the sheer raw sample size and because of higher accessibility.
lmao what are you talking about? it isn’t stated anywhere that dvorcol's graph is only geekhack numbers. the graph represents the entirety of kits sold in the group buy :thumb:
Ok so I took a look the graph you kept referencing, my apologies for assuming it was a poll without actually checking. Just to quote graph in question:Since there is still discussion of splitting Base and Numpad, here are some past numpad kit take rates.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/auAn5ak.png)
and the biggest thing that stood out is that relative to other profiles, the GMK numpads (not run by massdrop) usually costs between 35%-50% of the base kit whereas pretty much every other profile keeps it under 30% of base kit. It's no wonder the GMK numbers are so low. If anything, the other profiles seem to be more in line with the demand seen in the r/mk megapoll and GMK is the outlier.
This is probably the result of the base kits quoted based on high MOQ (likely 500+) and numpads conservatively low MOQs. When you look at GMK sets run by massdrop, which have a sliding MOQ system, you usually see numpads reliably hitting 30% of base kit purchases, nowhere near the 21% take rate for sets where numpads range from a flat $38-48. What's more is, usually if you add up the numbers for sets where base and num are split, they almost always go over what I'd consider the average price of a GMK set at $130.
Here then is my problem with this mindset: you're asking numpad users (which seems more and more likely to be >30% of people) to pay for your discount when, if bundled together, would probably be cheaper than buying base and numpad separately.
I mean, in theory, that's fine -- it's their problem right? It's a free market, you save $20 and I pay an extra $20, what's the big deal? But my argument is that for all the reasons I listed in the post above, that because of the nature of this hobby, that it's disproportionally worse than the $20 on paper.
This is also the same cry that obscure layout users also experience.
As a 40s user, I can agree. I just come to expect that nobody cares about my layout and tend to join group buys that offer support in some capacity.
I’m all for splitting numpad off. While we’re at it, let’s axe the function row too. ;)
Post by: tominabox1 on Sat, 02 May 2020, 09:27:37
You can get a set that has basically everything in the one main kit for $160 or so. but you have to cut out EVERYTHING to get it down to $100 then if you bought everything to get it back up to the coverage you had at $160, it'd be like $220. There's something very wrong about that. There's just not enough room between 100 and 160 to fit in that pricing dichotomy.
The market continues to demand lower and lower prices but maybe that's not the way to go with GMK after all.
(that said, as 40s user, split numpad, put 40s in base) :))
Post by: scoopbb on Sat, 02 May 2020, 12:33:13
gmk does not offer enough options for kitting full stop.
You can get a set that has basically everything in the one main kit for $160 or so. but you have to cut out EVERYTHING to get it down to $100 then if you bought everything to get it back up to the coverage you had at $160, it'd be like $220. There's something very wrong about that. There's just not enough room between 100 and 160 to fit in that pricing dichotomy.
The market continues to demand lower and lower prices but maybe that's not the way to go with GMK after all.
(that said, as 40s user, split numpad, put 40s in base) :))
while i agree with you, if you look at the number of GBs running for gmk, the current queue and how many people continue to buy why would GMK change anything lol.
i always wonder if kits had the same compat as q01 how well they would sell and what prices for it would look like at 1k moq. shrug
Post by: zzkhan1996 on Mon, 04 May 2020, 12:10:27
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Post by: iammeuru on Fri, 08 May 2020, 03:57:16
Anyway, I basically don't buy anything (extremely few sets anyway) from SP as a result of their extreme kitting. I routinely skip anything but the very most must-have keysets from GMK if they don't have a numpad at the very least, and TBH, much much more. Shoko, aside from being an awesome colorway is enticing from a what's offered standpoint because it has numpad, and that bottom row 1.5u Fn... I love the set, and R2 looks even cooler than R1, but frankly, while I'm set to buy two R2s (one to wear and one to show), I'm likely to drop it to one or maybe even none if it drops the numpad; I really try to vote with my wallet on this matter, and this principal is important to me. I would be happy if a set was made with every "kit" envisioned and sold for $160-180, and I'd buy two sets for sure of colorways I absolutely love like Shoko. Also, I'd pay an extra $10 to have more plastic GMK trays, and I have done so previously. I would prefer to have tons of the larger JTK trays, but the cardboard is trash, and leaves me nowhere to store my caps except bags, which is not something I prefer.
Post by: SuddenlyDonkey on Fri, 08 May 2020, 09:54:52
Post by: Silverion77 on Fri, 08 May 2020, 17:12:57
Post by: forwardkey on Fri, 08 May 2020, 20:01:46
Hello everyone! We apologize to RaySasQuach / Shoko for jumping the gun and handling his resulting discomfort poorly. He’s a talented designer and we enjoy working with him. After addressing next steps for Shoko R2, we’ll describe what happened — it’s an opportunity for transparency and growth.
Shoko R2 Status: Paused
We’re placing the group buy on hold temporarily (new sales have stopped) and awaiting Ray’s kit update completion timeline. This will delay set production due to redesigns / requotes / new renders, the pandemic’s global fallout, and later production slots. Easy cancellations / complete refunds / store credits are available for anyone who doesn’t want to keep their Shoko R2 order. If you keep your order, or want to change it, we’ll update it via some edits later on (may require a second payment or refund if GMK changes quote amounts).
What Happened?
RaySasQuach was unable to make certain critical decisions during Shoko R1. To ensure production, Kono had to take the initiative and make time-sensitive choices about his set. Ray was pleased with our results, and we assumed that he was handling a personal problem, so it seemed like a functional working relationship.
After authorizing Shoko R2 in our designer chatroom, Ray was offline for a while. He gave us a source for kits much later; we thought they were fully updated so we forged ahead. We were accustomed to keeping things in motion, so we didn’t push for additional communications as the group buy took form and launched.
Ray’s group buy halt request arrived on April 10. We were under peak pressure due to the pandemic and an unexpectedly early shipping shutdown at our warehouse. Context aside, our response was lame. His missive was a surprise and we had tunnel vision about running the set as it was quoted. After reviewing the situation, we followed up with Ray directly — no mass messages were sent until he was in the loop.
Kono apologizes to the community for this disruption. Kono & RaySasQuach will move forward, fix communications, and deliver Shoko R2. Thank you for supporting his vision!
Can you refund me? I have been contacting you for two weeks, nearly daily.
Post by: jameski99 on Sun, 10 May 2020, 04:41:03
Would you be able to do collaborations with Rama or space cables?
Post by: mta on Mon, 11 May 2020, 15:53:29
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Post by: TeslaDev on Tue, 12 May 2020, 12:39:06
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 12 May 2020, 15:37:20
Thanks.
Post by: belerian on Tue, 12 May 2020, 16:03:01
any update on splitting numpad and add R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn for 65% support?
Thanks.
I think PgUp and PgDn are supported based on this image that was posted on page 5
https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/xwj1LYUk.png
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 12 May 2020, 18:27:31
any update on splitting numpad and add R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn for 65% support?
Thanks.
I think PgUp and PgDn are supported based on this image that was posted on page 5
https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/xwj1LYUk.png
Thank you so much, this is great to hear, and I did not look closely enough.
Post by: tnqv102 on Thu, 14 May 2020, 12:24:45
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 17 May 2020, 16:24:08
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Sun, 17 May 2020, 17:11:15
Post by: DJ Shoko on Tue, 19 May 2020, 00:55:46
More
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Again deep apologies for the lack of updates lately, but I will get back to everyone once I get the quotes from GMK!
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 19 May 2020, 12:00:07
Sorry it's been a while, I've been caught up with work and school lately, it's pretty close to the end of the semester and I just got employed again in the beginning of May, but I should be more active after the school semester ends. But me and Kono have requested quotes from GMK back on May 4, so that is about two weeks ago at this point. I haven't gotten an update from GMK yet and I do hope I get an update soon. But as for the kitting, lemme just show them over here, I did decide to split the base kit and numpad, so I hope everyone is happy with the kits here.MoreShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/xwj1LYUk.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/HQcLJS88.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/6Wgv9TnK.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/WrA6xe3p.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/0IqzAWQh.png)
Again deep apologies for the lack of updates lately, but I will get back to everyone once I get the quotes from GMK!
Looking forward to this moving forward. Best wishes with your school and new position.
Post by: Scucka on Tue, 19 May 2020, 15:43:26
Sorry it's been a while, I've been caught up with work and school lately, it's pretty close to the end of the semester and I just got employed again in the beginning of May, but I should be more active after the school semester ends. But me and Kono have requested quotes from GMK back on May 4, so that is about two weeks ago at this point. I haven't gotten an update from GMK yet and I do hope I get an update soon. But as for the kitting, lemme just show them over here, I did decide to split the base kit and numpad, so I hope everyone is happy with the kits here.No need to sorry) Love your setMoreShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/xwj1LYUk.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/HQcLJS88.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/6Wgv9TnK.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/WrA6xe3p.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/0IqzAWQh.png)
Again deep apologies for the lack of updates lately, but I will get back to everyone once I get the quotes from GMK!
Post by: GhostEther on Wed, 20 May 2020, 08:07:49
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 20 May 2020, 09:26:50
Sorry it's been a while, I've been caught up with work and school lately, it's pretty close to the end of the semester and I just got employed again in the beginning of May, but I should be more active after the school semester ends. But me and Kono have requested quotes from GMK back on May 4, so that is about two weeks ago at this point. I haven't gotten an update from GMK yet and I do hope I get an update soon. But as for the kitting, lemme just show them over here, I did decide to split the base kit and numpad, so I hope everyone is happy with the kits here.MoreShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/xwj1LYUk.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/HQcLJS88.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/6Wgv9TnK.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/WrA6xe3p.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/0IqzAWQh.png)
Again deep apologies for the lack of updates lately, but I will get back to everyone once I get the quotes from GMK!
Would it be too late to make legend changes to the hiragana kit that GMK Sumi (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104469.0) and GMK Oni (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105137.0) recently made? These changes are outlined and explained here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106419.msg2906520#msg2906520). In short, they make the kit more friendly to Japanese layout users (here's a “testimonial” (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104469.msg2906944#msg2906944)). Also, it should be a legend-only change that doesn't involve adding new keys.
Totally understandable if it's too late.
Edit: Reference image. (https://i.imgur.com/xCjFrN5.jpg) The concrete changes that you would need to make to Shoko's hiragana kit are:
- R1 mod-colored む → R1 mod-colored ろ (I believe the current legend is an error to begin with, since the mod-colored key is supposed to be a `~, not a \|)
- either R1 む → R1 ー (the simplest way to do it), or R4 こ → R1 ー (involves replacing the extra B), or straight up add R1 ー (involves adding a key)
Post by: DJ Shoko on Sat, 23 May 2020, 03:42:39
Sorry it's been a while, I've been caught up with work and school lately, it's pretty close to the end of the semester and I just got employed again in the beginning of May, but I should be more active after the school semester ends. But me and Kono have requested quotes from GMK back on May 4, so that is about two weeks ago at this point. I haven't gotten an update from GMK yet and I do hope I get an update soon. But as for the kitting, lemme just show them over here, I did decide to split the base kit and numpad, so I hope everyone is happy with the kits here.MoreShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/xwj1LYUk.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/HQcLJS88.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/6Wgv9TnK.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/WrA6xe3p.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/0IqzAWQh.png)
Again deep apologies for the lack of updates lately, but I will get back to everyone once I get the quotes from GMK!
Would it be too late to make legend changes to the hiragana kit that GMK Sumi (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104469.0) and GMK Oni (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105137.0) recently made? These changes are outlined and explained here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106419.msg2906520#msg2906520). In short, they make the kit more friendly to Japanese layout users (here's a “testimonial” (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104469.msg2906944#msg2906944)). Also, it should be a legend-only change that doesn't involve adding new keys.
Totally understandable if it's too late.
Edit: Reference image. (https://i.imgur.com/xCjFrN5.jpg) The concrete changes that you would need to make to Shoko's hiragana kit are:
- R1 mod-colored む → R1 mod-colored ろ (I believe the current legend is an error to begin with, since the mod-colored key is supposed to be a `~, not a \|)
- either R1 む → R1 ー (the simplest way to do it), or R4 こ → R1 ー (involves replacing the extra B), or straight up add R1 ー (involves adding a key)
Lemme ask Kono if they can ask for the change, after all quotes are still being requested. But just to make sure, it should look like this?
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/dCVpaf6a.png)
Post by: konstantin on Sat, 23 May 2020, 09:33:37
Lemme ask Kono if they can ask for the change, after all quotes are still being requested. But just to make sure, it should look like this?Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/dCVpaf6a.png)
Yep, that looks good.
If you have the chance to ask for the R1 1u alpha む as well (1 extra key, circled in orange in the reference pic I linked), that would make the kit absolutely perfect, but it's not a must and what you posted is already good enough. That extra key is used if you use split backspace and want to have a む instead of ー, which is more correct in a split backspace setup, if you really care about legend correctness.
Post by: DJ Shoko on Wed, 27 May 2020, 03:20:02
Lemme ask Kono if they can ask for the change, after all quotes are still being requested. But just to make sure, it should look like this?Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/dCVpaf6a.png)
Yep, that looks good.
If you have the chance to ask for the R1 1u alpha む as well (1 extra key, circled in orange in the reference pic I linked), that would make the kit absolutely perfect, but it's not a must and what you posted is already good enough. That extra key is used if you use split backspace and want to have a む instead of ー, which is more correct in a split backspace setup, if you really care about legend correctness.
I couldn't get in the kit changes in the quotes, but I do have news. Just got the quotes, Kono gave me the prices they plan and they are based on 250 MOQ on the base kit and 100 MOQ on everything else for reference.
$119.99 Base kit
$54.99 Numpad
$49.99 40's Kit
$77.99 Hiragana/Kobe kit
$29.99 Spacebar kit
The base kit is for sure pricier than what I anticipated, so I am going to see if I can increase the MOQ in order to make it cheaper. If not then I'll see if I can requote them with the combined base kit and numpad, since I do think $120 is a bit pricey for a more minimal base kit in my opinion. Hope I can get everyone else's thoughts on this!
Post by: dallman5 on Wed, 27 May 2020, 07:28:19
I’m all for throwing the numpad back into the base kit in that case.
Post by: pcire on Wed, 27 May 2020, 09:24:14
That hiragana/Kobe kit is expensive af!
It’s kono after all 😭
Post by: neutralstate on Wed, 27 May 2020, 09:46:18
I couldn't get in the kit changes in the quotes, but I do have news. Just got the quotes, Kono gave me the prices they plan and they are based on 250 MOQ on the base kit and 100 MOQ on everything else for reference.
$119.99 Base kit
$54.99 Numpad
$49.99 40's Kit
$77.99 Hiragana/Kobe kit
$29.99 Spacebar kit
The base kit is for sure pricier than what I anticipated, so I am going to see if I can increase the MOQ in order to make it cheaper. If not then I'll see if I can requote them with the combined base kit and numpad, since I do think $120 is a bit pricey for a more minimal base kit in my opinion. Hope I can get everyone else's thoughts on this!
120 seems pretty steep for a base kit without a numpad.
Given the anticipation for this set, i think its quite possible to go for a 500 MOQ, that should hopefully make things better.
Post by: DJ Shoko on Wed, 27 May 2020, 13:10:35
Every kit got a change except for the spacebar kit.
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EDIT: II'll hold a poll on whether I should cut the accent in the 40's kit to save about $5 on that kit or keep it at $50. https://strawpoll.com/xyw4h5p7
The kit with and without accents:
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https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/pnCErStc.png
I really thank everyone for being so patient with me.
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 27 May 2020, 13:21:20
I couldn't get all of the vendors to entirely agree on making the MOQ 500 or a 1000 for the base kit, so I am going to get a requote with a combined base kit with the base kit and numpad. I'm still trying to make the kits as affordable as they can be, so unfortunately I still have to cut a few keys from the base kit with everything combined. But I just want everyone to see the proposed changes and see if these are all reasonable, I am going to try to aim at around $130 for the base kit.
Every kit got a change except for the spacebar kit.MoreShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/iC9xkDkk.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/MGAAv5cG.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/9I8pCetq.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/WrA6xe3p.png)
EDIT: II'll hold a poll on whether I should cut the accent in the 40's kit to save about $5 on that kit or keep it at $50. https://strawpoll.com/xyw4h5p7
The kit with and without accents:MoreShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/69WIONYA.png)
https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/9I8pCetq.png
I really thank everyone for being so patient with me.
Looking good, thanks!
Post by: scoopbb on Wed, 27 May 2020, 14:02:55
Post by: ymaaan on Wed, 27 May 2020, 14:31:37
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Post by: DJ Shoko on Wed, 27 May 2020, 19:45:19
Looks amazing. Any estimate date for the GB?
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After requotes I'll probably have a firm group buy date.
already spending damn near 200 for the set with 40s, ill gladly pay the extra 5 for accents.
Yeah I couldn't think of anything else to slim out. They will probably stay in, but I just thought the base kit+40's might've been too pricey.
Post by: ymaaan on Wed, 27 May 2020, 19:49:58
Looks amazing. Any estimate date for the GB?
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After requotes I'll probably have a firm group buy date.
Great! Thanks for the reply. Can't wait!
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Post by: ymaaan on Wed, 27 May 2020, 19:50:40
woops my phone got wonky sorry about thatLooks amazing. Any estimate date for the GB?
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After requotes I'll probably have a firm group buy date.
Great! Thanks for the reply. Can't wait!
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Post by: neutralstate on Wed, 27 May 2020, 19:52:01
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Wed, 27 May 2020, 20:15:37
hope the prices don't hit something like 140 with numpad, but seems quite likely
Noel had accent bars but not accent arrows with a fairly similar kit and got to 135. I think that's gotta be the goal. Sandstorm cut some keys and tossed them in an ortho/40s/iso extension, no accent spacebars or arrows, and on day 1 on switchmod was 122$ with numpad, 127 normally. Both of those were 250 MOQ kits.
Post by: DJ Shoko on Wed, 27 May 2020, 23:06:02
hope the prices don't hit something like 140 with numpad, but seems quite likelyIt's definitely going to be less than $140, the kit was $140 with 155 keys and atm there is 147 keys.
I think these will be the changes more or less, unless someone can really convince me to keep or remove a few more keys. I did opt to cut the 1.25u and 1.75u space from the 40's kit since I heard they aren't too common in the 40% community and cut a few lesser popular accent keys. I did change the spacebar kits this time around though, since I figured that if the 40's kit had 2u, 2.25u, and 2.75u convex spacebars that if the spacebar kit also had them that it'd feel redundant. So I am opting to keep only the accent smaller spacebars in the spacebar kit. I'd like opinions on this though obviously.
EDIT: Somewhat debating on cutting R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn if they may not be too popular since I just want the kit to be as affordable as possible at this point.
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Post by: oldcat on Wed, 27 May 2020, 23:09:51
But I will of course be in nonetheless.
Post by: dallman5 on Wed, 27 May 2020, 23:29:13
hope the prices don't hit something like 140 with numpad, but seems quite likelyIt's definitely going to be less than $140, the kit was $140 with 155 keys and atm there is 147 keys.
I think these will be the changes more or less, unless someone can really convince me to keep or remove a few more keys. I did opt to cut the 1.25u and 1.75u space from the 40's kit since I heard they aren't too common in the 40% community and cut a few lesser popular accent keys. I did change the spacebar kits this time around though, since I figured that if the 40's kit had 2u, 2.25u, and 2.75u convex spacebars that if the spacebar kit also had them that it'd feel redundant. So I am opting to keep only the accent smaller spacebars in the spacebar kit. I'd like opinions on this though obviously.
EDIT: Somewhat debating on cutting R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn if they may not be too popular since I just want the kit to be as affordable as possible at this point.MoreShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/EkjTWF9r.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/Df1yJAfK.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/1u27JbqV.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/xeDF2ITj.png)
The kitting looks pretty good to me. I'm mostly on board with your sentiment about the split spacebars. The one issue I see currently is that if you are an Alice layout user who doesn't want to accented spacebars you now have to buy both the 40s and spacebars kits. I feel it makes more sense in the 40s kit or maybe the base even?
Post by: belerian on Wed, 27 May 2020, 23:32:36
I was planning on using R3/R4 PgUp/Down but this isn't a deal breaker. I would prefer you to keep it if possible.hope the prices don't hit something like 140 with numpad, but seems quite likelyIt's definitely going to be less than $140, the kit was $140 with 155 keys and atm there is 147 keys.
I think these will be the changes more or less, unless someone can really convince me to keep or remove a few more keys. I did opt to cut the 1.25u and 1.75u space from the 40's kit since I heard they aren't too common in the 40% community and cut a few lesser popular accent keys. I did change the spacebar kits this time around though, since I figured that if the 40's kit had 2u, 2.25u, and 2.75u convex spacebars that if the spacebar kit also had them that it'd feel redundant. So I am opting to keep only the accent smaller spacebars in the spacebar kit. I'd like opinions on this though obviously.
EDIT: Somewhat debating on cutting R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn if they may not be too popular since I just want the kit to be as affordable as possible at this point.MoreShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/EkjTWF9r.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/Df1yJAfK.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/1u27JbqV.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/xeDF2ITj.png)
Post by: DJ Shoko on Wed, 27 May 2020, 23:36:38
Yeah this is rather tough, the 40's kit is already around $50 as is, so adding the accented spacebar keys there and extra B might make the 40's kit way too expensive in my eyes. Then adding those non accented spacebars into the base kit would make the base kit pricier than I'd hope most likely.hope the prices don't hit something like 140 with numpad, but seems quite likelyIt's definitely going to be less than $140, the kit was $140 with 155 keys and atm there is 147 keys.
I think these will be the changes more or less, unless someone can really convince me to keep or remove a few more keys. I did opt to cut the 1.25u and 1.75u space from the 40's kit since I heard they aren't too common in the 40% community and cut a few lesser popular accent keys. I did change the spacebar kits this time around though, since I figured that if the 40's kit had 2u, 2.25u, and 2.75u convex spacebars that if the spacebar kit also had them that it'd feel redundant. So I am opting to keep only the accent smaller spacebars in the spacebar kit. I'd like opinions on this though obviously.
EDIT: Somewhat debating on cutting R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn if they may not be too popular since I just want the kit to be as affordable as possible at this point.MoreShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/EkjTWF9r.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/Df1yJAfK.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/1u27JbqV.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/xeDF2ITj.png)
The kitting looks pretty good to me. I'm mostly on board with your sentiment about the split spacebars. The one issue I see currently is that if you are an Alice layout user who doesn't want to accented spacebars you now have to buy both the 40s and spacebars kits. I feel it makes more sense in the 40s kit or maybe the base even?
I could swap the accented smaller spacebars from the spacebar kit to the 40's kit and their non accented to the spacebar kit. In any case it is difficult to make the right decisions here.
Post by: Emir on Thu, 28 May 2020, 01:08:25
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 02 June 2020, 16:19:55
EDIT: Somewhat debating on cutting R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn if they may not be too popular since I just want the kit to be as affordable as possible at this point.I was planning on using R3/R4 PgUp/Down but this isn't a deal breaker. I would prefer you to keep it if possible.
Please, please keep them :D
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 02 June 2020, 16:42:29
Post by: Silverion77 on Tue, 02 June 2020, 16:43:10
I couldn't get in the kit changes in the quotes, but I do have news. Just got the quotes, Kono gave me the prices they plan and they are based on 250 MOQ on the base kit and 100 MOQ on everything else for reference.
$119.99 Base kit
$54.99 Numpad
$49.99 40's Kit
$77.99 Hiragana/Kobe kit
$29.99 Spacebar kit
The base kit is for sure pricier than what I anticipated, so I am going to see if I can increase the MOQ in order to make it cheaper. If not then I'll see if I can requote them with the combined base kit and numpad, since I do think $120 is a bit pricey for a more minimal base kit in my opinion. Hope I can get everyone else's thoughts on this!
Agree on the pricing comments. I intended to get numpad for some future 1800s and such, but at the current MOQ and pricing, it seems like there isn't a lot being 'gained' compared to recent set pricing by taking the numpad out.
That said, I think there is a lot of interest in this set following R1. As a newbie to this community, it seemed like I came across discussions on this set very quickly due to buzz/interest. I think a higher moq can easily be hit if that helps the pricing. Sets overall lately have been showing good numbers, especially if you slot this in with a quiet month (e.g. May was clearly "blue month" with its 3+ sets...doing it then would've been harder due to split interest).
Also r3/4 PgUp/Down is super valuable for my 65%/75% columns :)
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 09 June 2020, 01:13:47
I was planning on using R3/R4 PgUp/Down but this isn't a deal breaker. I would prefer you to keep it if possible.hope the prices don't hit something like 140 with numpad, but seems quite likelyIt's definitely going to be less than $140, the kit was $140 with 155 keys and atm there is 147 keys.
I think these will be the changes more or less, unless someone can really convince me to keep or remove a few more keys. I did opt to cut the 1.25u and 1.75u space from the 40's kit since I heard they aren't too common in the 40% community and cut a few lesser popular accent keys. I did change the spacebar kits this time around though, since I figured that if the 40's kit had 2u, 2.25u, and 2.75u convex spacebars that if the spacebar kit also had them that it'd feel redundant. So I am opting to keep only the accent smaller spacebars in the spacebar kit. I'd like opinions on this though obviously.
EDIT: Somewhat debating on cutting R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn if they may not be too popular since I just want the kit to be as affordable as possible at this point.MoreShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/EkjTWF9r.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/Df1yJAfK.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/1u27JbqV.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/xeDF2ITj.png)
Really hope you can keep R3/R4 PgUp/PgDn for 65%/75% users.
Post by: Ooga Booga on Tue, 09 June 2020, 03:58:20
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 10 June 2020, 17:01:44
Post by: musicgecko on Fri, 12 June 2020, 20:20:13
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 12 June 2020, 21:39:20
Will be joining for sure. Would love to see an Micon set with this!
Which is unlikely :)
Post by: ubmit on Sat, 13 June 2020, 18:33:57
Post by: mta on Sat, 13 June 2020, 19:21:55
Post by: vocal118 on Sun, 14 June 2020, 04:33:44
Post by: heliar_mk on Sun, 14 June 2020, 04:49:03
zf,please, zf is more cheaper and fasterzf +1
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 15 June 2020, 23:46:18
Post by: DJ Shoko on Tue, 16 June 2020, 02:11:03
Prices:
Base kit at 250 MOQ: $134.99
40's kit at 100 MOQ: $49.99
Kobe kit at 100 MOQ: $74.99
Spacebar kit at 100 MOQ: $26.99
For reference this was the kitting:
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I'll see what I can do about it.zf,please, zf is more cheaper and fasterzf +1
Post by: pcire on Tue, 16 June 2020, 02:13:05
Any idea of when the gb might start?
Gotta plan with so many great GBs currently live
Post by: DJ Shoko on Tue, 16 June 2020, 02:51:47
Thanks for the update!Hopefully early July, no concrete date yet. I'm just going to add a few keys and get a requote and see what the final price is and we can probably start the group buy soon after.
Any idea of when the gb might start?
Gotta plan with so many great GBs currently live
Post by: heliar_mk on Tue, 16 June 2020, 03:16:30
Well we got the pricing of the new kits. Same MOQ as last time. I might add a few keys back to the base kit and 40's kit since the base kit didn't meet the $130 goal and the 40's kit is still the same price despite the reduced number of keys.Maybe you would try to increase the moq to 500 for the base kit？
Prices:
Base kit at 250 MOQ: $134.99
40's kit at 100 MOQ: $49.99
Kobe kit at 100 MOQ: $74.99
Spacebar kit at 100 MOQ: $26.99
For reference this was the kitting:MoreShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/OGP6ldmC.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/1u27JbqV.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/Df1yJAfK.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/LHWj0CrM.png)I'll see what I can do about it.zf,please, zf is more cheaper and fasterzf +1
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 16 June 2020, 03:23:54
Well we got the pricing of the new kits. Same MOQ as last time. I might add a few keys back to the base kit and 40's kit since the base kit didn't meet the $130 goal and the 40's kit is still the same price despite the reduced number of keys.Maybe you would try to increase the moq to 500 for the base kit？
Prices:
Base kit at 250 MOQ: $134.99
40's kit at 100 MOQ: $49.99
Kobe kit at 100 MOQ: $74.99
Spacebar kit at 100 MOQ: $26.99
For reference this was the kitting:MoreShow Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/OGP6ldmC.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/1u27JbqV.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/Df1yJAfK.png)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/LHWj0CrM.png)
Competition in the summer months is stiff, but I think Shoko is one of the sets that can pull off a 500 MOQ.
Post by: vocal118 on Tue, 16 June 2020, 22:51:02
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 16 June 2020, 23:19:46
Thanks for the update!Hopefully early July, no concrete date yet. I'm just going to add a few keys and get a requote and see what the final price is and we can probably start the group buy soon after.
Any idea of when the gb might start?
Gotta plan with so many great GBs currently live
Let's go! Will buy a few sets!
Post by: neutralstate on Wed, 17 June 2020, 08:34:54
zf,please, zf is more cheaper and fasterzf +1
i dont understand why ZF is cheaper, ZF means 20-25 USD tagged on the base kit even before shipping. so even though the shipping is "free", the shipping is technically already paid for by the price bump, and then some.
Despite being in Asia, shipping all the way from US (e.g. via Novelkeys) is always cheaper for me.
Which, if you think about it, totally defeats the purpose of having an Asian proxy.
Post by: ymaaan on Wed, 17 June 2020, 08:45:06
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Post by: heliar_mk on Wed, 17 June 2020, 17:27:16
Zf is cheaper than ilumkb for Asiazf,please, zf is more cheaper and fasterzf +1
i dont understand why ZF is cheaper, ZF means 20-25 USD tagged on the base kit even before shipping. so even though the shipping is "free", the shipping is technically already paid for by the price bump, and then some.
Despite being in Asia, shipping all the way from US (e.g. via Novelkeys) is always cheaper for me.
Which, if you think about it, totally defeats the purpose of having an Asian proxy.
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 17 June 2020, 19:43:28
Post by: neutralstate on Wed, 17 June 2020, 19:45:21
Zf is cheaper than ilumkb for AsiaSorry for being slightly off topic but i wanted to address this.
Lets look at Modern Dolch 2, running on both ilumKB and zFrontier
For a base kit:
ilumKb = 140SGD (~100.45 USD, according to Google right now)
zFrontier = 120 USD
DixieMech = 99 USD (reference US price)
Source:
https://ilumkb.com/collections/groupbuy/products/gb-gmk-modern-dolch-r2
https://en.zfrontier.com/products/gmk-modo-2?variant=32301394264142
https://dixiemech.store/collections/keycaps/products/gmk-modern-dolch-2-keycap-set
Yes shipping is free for zFrontier, but because of the markup that's essentially 20USD of shipping no matter where you live! For me, 20USD is more than shipping it in from the US, and i live in Asia. I would assume that is true for many as well.
Regardless, looking forward to this set, it's awesome.
Post by: Owl- on Wed, 17 June 2020, 21:21:44
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 17 June 2020, 21:23:20
Post by: Radon86 on Thu, 18 June 2020, 07:44:54
Zf is cheaper than ilumkb for AsiaSorry for being slightly off topic but i wanted to address this.
Lets look at Modern Dolch 2, running on both ilumKB and zFrontier
For a base kit:
ilumKb = 140SGD (~100.45 USD, according to Google right now)
zFrontier = 120 USD
DixieMech = 99 USD (reference US price)
Source:
https://ilumkb.com/collections/groupbuy/products/gb-gmk-modern-dolch-r2
https://en.zfrontier.com/products/gmk-modo-2?variant=32301394264142
https://dixiemech.store/collections/keycaps/products/gmk-modern-dolch-2-keycap-set
Yes shipping is free for zFrontier, but because of the markup that's essentially 20USD of shipping no matter where you live! For me, 20USD is more than shipping it in from the US, and i live in Asia. I would assume that is true for many as well.
Regardless, looking forward to this set, it's awesome.
+1 for ilumkb please!
Post by: HungerMechanic on Thu, 18 June 2020, 13:23:47
Post by: //gainsborough on Tue, 23 June 2020, 22:11:00
daily bump!
Post by: shodid on Thu, 25 June 2020, 21:32:33
Post by: Hell-es on Sun, 28 June 2020, 03:39:23
Again quotes show me that taking out numpad and basic iso is :( - 15$ to add this is next to nothing, and everyone don‘t needing it can sell it for much more in aftermarket.
Post by: SxM Designs on Sun, 28 June 2020, 04:03:04
Post by: jaeLkeys on Mon, 29 June 2020, 10:07:56
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Mon, 29 June 2020, 12:44:11
I could see this getting to 1000 and 500 MOQ should be easy.
You could also price it at 250 MOQ, get past 500 for actual numbers, and that's more money for vendors on the delta in between those two prices.
Post by: gminso on Wed, 01 July 2020, 15:33:59
Post by: axisean1 on Thu, 02 July 2020, 06:31:15
Post by: DJ Shoko on Thu, 02 July 2020, 15:34:22
That being said, I have absolutely no problems with MyKeyboard EU. I simply chose Jae to be the EU vendor due to me being more involved in his community. Jae has been incredibly insightful and helpful throughout the IC process to me, so I will still keep Jae as the EU vendor. And I hope everyone understand my decision on this. Again I have absolutely no problem with MyKeyboard EU and they are great people, hopefully this clears up everything about the EU proxy status.
The kits are finalized, I will grab new renders for the kits, but here's the pricing and kits as is:
$134.99 for base kit
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/EkjTWF9r.png)
$49.99 for 40's kit
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/1u27JbqV.png)
$74.99 for Kobe kit
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/Df1yJAfK.png)
$26.99 for Spacebar kit
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/LHWj0CrM.png)
Also the proxies are finalized at this point, I'm going to stick with the current ones:
Daily Clack for AU
Prototypist for EU
Kono for NA
Deskhero for CA
Ilumkb for Asia
I do have something else to announce to go along with this keyset soon hopefully.
Post by: pcire on Thu, 02 July 2020, 16:46:08
I do have something else to announce to go along with this keyset soon hopefully.
👀
Rama caps?
Sick desk mats?
Post by: kmao on Sat, 04 July 2020, 21:41:26
I'd love to see some pale blue deskmats, I think the colour scheme is super soothing :)
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 06 July 2020, 23:37:08
Post by: 4Holo on Fri, 10 July 2020, 01:22:40
Post by: Curin Derwin on Sun, 12 July 2020, 00:47:40
Can't wait to place my order for the GMK.
Post by: jdylanmc on Sun, 12 July 2020, 20:49:04
Post by: pcire on Wed, 15 July 2020, 17:29:20
Post by: keeboenthu on Thu, 16 July 2020, 02:19:45
Been in IC more than 3 months
I'm so hyped for it too
Post by: pcire on Thu, 16 July 2020, 02:24:05
Losing hope for this set.
Been in IC more than 3 months
I'm so hyped for it too
Black Lotus made it! Shoko will make it for sure!
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 16 July 2020, 21:25:15
Losing hope for this set.
Been in IC more than 3 months
I'm so hyped for it too
GMK Slasher (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85076.0) would like a word.
Post by: titanium on Thu, 16 July 2020, 21:58:44
Post by: imharu on Thu, 23 July 2020, 12:05:25
Post by: shansoft on Thu, 23 July 2020, 12:30:42
I notice there's a 1.5u 'Super' key in the render, will this be in the set?
As Mac user, I would love this.
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 25 July 2020, 21:41:23
Post by: xine007 on Sat, 25 July 2020, 21:51:31
(http://[attachimg=1])
Post by: Hanabi on Mon, 27 July 2020, 07:08:22
Post by: Hdjekso on Mon, 27 July 2020, 08:24:12
Really stocked for this.You mean stoked?
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Post by: ogWalker on Mon, 27 July 2020, 08:25:54
Post by: Hell-es on Mon, 27 July 2020, 13:20:24
Post by: DonaldPShimoda on Thu, 30 July 2020, 15:20:04
Quote
We're planning to relaunch on August 11th! Mark your calendars, more details to follow soon!
Post by: Rynxe on Fri, 31 July 2020, 04:05:58
👀
Rama caps?
Sick desk mats?
Up for this. Any plans for desk mats or rama caps for R2?
Post by: Curin Derwin on Sat, 01 August 2020, 04:09:53
Post by: Hanabi on Sat, 01 August 2020, 21:40:22
Really stocked for this.You mean stoked?
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Yes, you are right hahahha.
Post by: DJ Shoko on Sun, 02 August 2020, 01:15:52
Linear
90g Progressive Stainless Steel Springs
No factory lubing
Bottom housing, custom nylon blend
Top housing, polycarbonate
Stems, POM
Housing color: Pantone 656c
Stem color: Pantone 5425c
The housing does seem a lot bluer than the Pantone's, but it does seem to fit with one of Shoko's outfits still and I love the color so it's probably going to stay that way:
More
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/popnmusic/images/b/b9/Shoko_Change_Card.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150222004838)
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/5u3218cS)
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/5u3218cS)
Post by: Boy_314 on Sun, 02 August 2020, 01:47:44
Post by: DJ Shoko on Sun, 02 August 2020, 01:53:38
oh man those switches look good. any word on how they are priced? and is thicthock the only vendor for them?I'll get back ASAP on who'll vendor them, MyKeyboard EU is going to be the planned EU proxy, this won't launch at the same time probably since there were some delays. So I'll put more info up when I get more.
Post by: zlalaman2 on Sun, 02 August 2020, 02:05:32
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Sun, 02 August 2020, 02:20:15
Post by: Mcnos on Sun, 02 August 2020, 02:27:34
Was it mentioned until when this set is running? I'm trying to figure out how to budget my spending this month 😅
August 12th.
Edit: Ah you were looking for end date. I would assume 30-31 days after GB start
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Sun, 02 August 2020, 02:37:12
Was it mentioned until when this set is running? I'm trying to figure out how to budget my spending this month 😅
Kono hasn’t run a GMK GB for less than a month In recent memory. Possibly more than a month tho.
Post by: konstantin on Sun, 02 August 2020, 04:54:56
August 12th.Typo? The thread title and Ray's last update post say August 11.
Hello everyone, sorry for the lack of updates, but we have a group buy date ready and that is August 11!Could you please update the OP with the latest kits? Doesn't matter if they're KLE mockups. Also the planned GB start and end dates in the timeline section.
Post by: q83n87 on Sun, 02 August 2020, 12:00:09
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Sun, 02 August 2020, 16:03:07
Post by: Sandy on Sun, 02 August 2020, 18:35:55
Post by: xjt9632 on Thu, 06 August 2020, 07:23:02
Zf is cheaper than ilumkb for AsiaSorry for being slightly off topic but i wanted to address this.
Lets look at Modern Dolch 2, running on both ilumKB and zFrontier
For a base kit:
ilumKb = 140SGD (~100.45 USD, according to Google right now)
zFrontier = 120 USD
DixieMech = 99 USD (reference US price)
Source:
https://ilumkb.com/collections/groupbuy/products/gb-gmk-modern-dolch-r2
https://en.zfrontier.com/products/gmk-modo-2?variant=32301394264142
https://dixiemech.store/collections/keycaps/products/gmk-modern-dolch-2-keycap-set
Yes shipping is free for zFrontier, but because of the markup that's essentially 20USD of shipping no matter where you live! For me, 20USD is more than shipping it in from the US, and i live in Asia. I would assume that is true for many as well.
Regardless, looking forward to this set, it's awesome.
in china zf is more cheap，don't be so narrow-minded
Post by: Noworries on Fri, 07 August 2020, 03:21:59
Post by: tankskun on Fri, 07 August 2020, 04:01:42
Damn I was looking forward to this GB but looks like the updated set isn’t gonna have the UK iso keycaps anymore so guess I’ll have to miss this one out
I never noticed until i saw your post. I'm gutted, was so looking forward to this set :(
Post by: zzkhan1996 on Fri, 07 August 2020, 04:54:46
Post by: Rynxe on Fri, 07 August 2020, 05:36:51
Hello everyone, sorry for the lack of updates, but we have a group buy date ready and that is August 11! Hope everyone is ready this time around. As for the other goodie I did have planned, it was a custom switch manufactured from JWK thanks to the help from Thic Thock. I do have samples en route to me right now, the switch is still subject to change, but the specs are as is right now:
Linear
90g Progressive Stainless Steel Springs
No factory lubing
Bottom housing, custom nylon blend
Top housing, polycarbonate
Stems, POM
Housing color: Pantone 656c
Stem color: Pantone 5425c
The housing does seem a lot bluer than the Pantone's, but it does seem to fit with one of Shoko's outfits still and I love the color so it's probably going to stay that way:MoreShow Image(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/popnmusic/images/b/b9/Shoko_Change_Card.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150222004838)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/5u3218cS)
Matching stabs ples ;D
Post by: Hdjekso on Fri, 07 August 2020, 07:31:56
Damn I was looking forward to this GB but looks like the updated set isn’t gonna have the UK iso keycaps anymore so guess I’ll have to miss this one out
I thought UK Iso and numpad was added back into the base kit?
Post by: tankskun on Fri, 07 August 2020, 07:48:43
Damn I was looking forward to this GB but looks like the updated set isn’t gonna have the UK iso keycaps anymore so guess I’ll have to miss this one out
I thought UK Iso and numpad was added back into the base kit?
Look on page 8 where Raysasquatch updated the finalised kits. UK iso has been removed. I'm going to miss out on this set.
Post by: Hdjekso on Fri, 07 August 2020, 08:44:35
Damn I was looking forward to this GB but looks like the updated set isn’t gonna have the UK iso keycaps anymore so guess I’ll have to miss this one out
I thought UK Iso and numpad was added back into the base kit?
Look on page 8 where Raysasquatch updated the finalised kits. UK iso has been removed. I'm going to miss out on this set.
Maybe I missed something, but UK iso seems to be in the base kit in reply #363.
Post by: adularescence on Fri, 07 August 2020, 14:51:44
Damn I was looking forward to this GB but looks like the updated set isn’t gonna have the UK iso keycaps anymore so guess I’ll have to miss this one out
I thought UK Iso and numpad was added back into the base kit?
Look on page 8 where Raysasquatch updated the finalised kits. UK iso has been removed. I'm going to miss out on this set.
Maybe I missed something, but UK iso seems to be in the base kit in reply #363.
Needs the "backtick w/ not symbol", "2 w/ double quote", "3 w/ pound sterling", and "single quote w/ at sign" keycaps to complete the UK iso
Post by: vocal118 on Sat, 08 August 2020, 08:13:58
Post by: Rynxe on Sat, 08 August 2020, 08:51:44
Zfrontier-China
It's already been confirmed. ilumkb will be the proxy for Asia. I'm not sure what's wrong with you PRC Chinese, but its up to the creator to decide. Seen most of your posts just spamming zFrontier everywhere. Don't act so privileged.
Post by: Rynxe on Sat, 08 August 2020, 08:59:59
Zf is cheaper than ilumkb for AsiaSorry for being slightly off topic but i wanted to address this.
Lets look at Modern Dolch 2, running on both ilumKB and zFrontier
For a base kit:
ilumKb = 140SGD (~, according to Google right now)
zFrontier =
DixieMech = (reference US price)
Source:
https://ilumkb.com/collections/groupbuy/products/gb-gmk-modern-dolch-r2
https://en.zfrontier.com/products/gmk-modo-2?variant=32301394264142
https://dixiemech.store/collections/keycaps/products/gmk-modern-dolch-2-keycap-set
Yes shipping is free for zFrontier, but because of the markup that's essentially of shipping no matter where you live! For me, is more than shipping it in from the US, and i live in Asia. I would assume that is true for many as well.
Regardless, looking forward to this set, it's awesome.
in china zf is more cheap，don't be so narrow-minded
I don't see this person being narrow-minded, just stated some facts, he just gave his two cents, what's wrong with that? Its still RaySasQuach's decision on which proxies he wants to sell through. Dont act so privileged and spoiled. Everytime I see a GB not running on zFrontier, you PRC Chinese spam zFrontier everywhere.
Post by: Hdjekso on Sat, 08 August 2020, 09:19:29
Zf is cheaper than ilumkb for AsiaSorry for being slightly off topic but i wanted to address this.
Lets look at Modern Dolch 2, running on both ilumKB and zFrontier
For a base kit:
ilumKb = 140SGD (~, according to Google right now)
zFrontier =
DixieMech = (reference US price)
Source:
https://ilumkb.com/collections/groupbuy/products/gb-gmk-modern-dolch-r2
https://en.zfrontier.com/products/gmk-modo-2?variant=32301394264142
https://dixiemech.store/collections/keycaps/products/gmk-modern-dolch-2-keycap-set
Yes shipping is free for zFrontier, but because of the markup that's essentially of shipping no matter where you live! For me, is more than shipping it in from the US, and i live in Asia. I would assume that is true for many as well.
Regardless, looking forward to this set, it's awesome.
in china zf is more cheap，don't be so narrow-minded
I don't see this person being narrow-minded, just stated some facts, he just gave his two cents, what's wrong with that? Its still RaySasQuach's decision on which proxies he wants to sell through. Dont act so privileged and spoiled. Everytime I see a GB not running on zFrontier, you PRC Chinese spam zFrontier everywhere.
It is true that zfrontier china is cheaper than zfrontier international though. He was just stating a fact, not saying that zfrontier should be the vendor for Asia. Don't really see how he's privileged and spoiled.
Post by: Rynxe on Sat, 08 August 2020, 09:26:07
Zf is cheaper than ilumkb for AsiaSorry for being slightly off topic but i wanted to address this.
Lets look at Modern Dolch 2, running on both ilumKB and zFrontier
For a base kit:
ilumKb = 140SGD (~, according to Google right now)
zFrontier =
DixieMech = (reference US price)
Source:
https://ilumkb.com/collections/groupbuy/products/gb-gmk-modern-dolch-r2
https://en.zfrontier.com/products/gmk-modo-2?variant=32301394264142
https://dixiemech.store/collections/keycaps/products/gmk-modern-dolch-2-keycap-set
Yes shipping is free for zFrontier, but because of the markup that's essentially of shipping no matter where you live! For me, is more than shipping it in from the US, and i live in Asia. I would assume that is true for many as well.
Regardless, looking forward to this set, it's awesome.
in china zf is more cheap，don't be so narrow-minded
I don't see this person being narrow-minded, just stated some facts, he just gave his two cents, what's wrong with that? Its still RaySasQuach's decision on which proxies he wants to sell through. Dont act so privileged and spoiled. Everytime I see a GB not running on zFrontier, you PRC Chinese spam zFrontier everywhere.
It is true that zfrontier china is cheaper than zfrontier international though. He was just stating a fact, not saying that zfrontier should be the vendor for Asia. Don't really see how he's privileged and spoiled.
The fact that he created a new account just tell someone "dont be so narrow-minded", even though that person just stated some facts. Both of them just stated their own opinion, none of them have the right to be a smart ass about it.
Post by: Hdjekso on Sat, 08 August 2020, 18:43:45
Post by: DJ Shoko on Sun, 09 August 2020, 04:06:28
More
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/mMb7UBC7.png)
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/zV3ff0Xc.png)
(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/zV3ff0Xc.png)
Yeah, sorry about the loss of UK ISO keys, it was a hard decision to figure out which keys to cut from the kits.Damn I was looking forward to this GB but looks like the updated set isn’t gonna have the UK iso keycaps anymore so guess I’ll have to miss this one out
I never noticed until i saw your post. I'm gutted, was so looking forward to this set :(
No F13 key in any of the kits?No F13 key unfortunately, it seemed too niche to me and the MOQ is rather low so I don't have much leeway to work with it.
That would be cool, but maybe next time.Hello everyone, sorry for the lack of updates, but we have a group buy date ready and that is August 11! Hope everyone is ready this time around. As for the other goodie I did have planned, it was a custom switch manufactured from JWK thanks to the help from Thic Thock. I do have samples en route to me right now, the switch is still subject to change, but the specs are as is right now:
Linear
90g Progressive Stainless Steel Springs
No factory lubing
Bottom housing, custom nylon blend
Top housing, polycarbonate
Stems, POM
Housing color: Pantone 656c
Stem color: Pantone 5425c
The housing does seem a lot bluer than the Pantone's, but it does seem to fit with one of Shoko's outfits still and I love the color so it's probably going to stay that way:MoreShow Image(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/popnmusic/images/b/b9/Shoko_Change_Card.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150222004838)Show Image(https://raysasquach.s-ul.eu/5u3218cS)
Matching stabs ples ;D
Is there a reason the switch top housing ins't nylon? or is it just because of the mold available? I really want to try these but would prefer a nylon top and might just go for the new switch that is coming from thickthock (konfeito)I was thinking I'd like the sound still since I believe OG Pandas had polycarb tops and I loved the sound on those, and from the loose switch I do like these still, but since I haven't done a build with these yet. I might make the switch to nylon. But I'll be honest, I love the color and texture of the top housing a lot on these, I think the colored opaque polycarb top brings the color a bit more life. If these switches do get popular enough, I'll definitely consider the R2 being all nylon.
Post by: FaIIen on Mon, 10 August 2020, 00:06:37
Post by: DJ Shoko on Mon, 10 August 2020, 03:22:06
Is it still on track for GB on the 11th (trmw)?Yes, from tomorrow August 11 to September 15, so about five weeks!
Post by: TofuOrganic on Mon, 10 August 2020, 03:23:03
Yusssss!Is it still on track for GB on the 11th (trmw)?Yes, from tomorrow August 11 to September 15, so about five weeks!
Post by: FireBoltund on Tue, 11 August 2020, 09:29:48
Just need to ask about that Spacebar Kit - Why are there 2 6u White Spacebars that are both white in that kit? May I know if like a white/blue combi would have been considered instead of white/white?
That blue accent is so good though... mainly buying for that but yeah I'm curious about that 2 6u White Spacebars.
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Tue, 11 August 2020, 09:42:35
6u off center stem
From the top they look identical tho
Post by: jayseeffaye on Tue, 11 August 2020, 10:01:04
Post by: Nudd on Tue, 11 August 2020, 10:19:30
Good luck with the GB.
Post by: NoChance on Tue, 11 August 2020, 12:00:39
Liked the color and was waiting to buy, but with the ISO changes I'm out.
Good luck with the GB.
I bet you could find someone from the R1 group that would be willing to part with only the ISO stuff that they don’t use.
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Tue, 11 August 2020, 13:03:01
For instance, on page 8, the spacebar kit lacks a non centered 6u and has 6u in both colors. But on page 1, there's a pair of 6u spacebars. On deskhero, there's a pair of 6u light spacebars, not both colors.
What about the numpad 5 non barred? It's not in the image on page 8?
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Tue, 11 August 2020, 13:17:23
Post by: DJ Shoko on Tue, 11 August 2020, 13:47:55
Are the renders on page 1 the final kitting? Are the renders in page 8 the final kitting? Are the renders on deskhero/ the final kitting?The kits on the first page is final, other than the spacebar because of the mistake I saw thanks to you. That should be both centered, and one of them is blue.
For instance, on page 8, the spacebar kit lacks a non centered 6u and has 6u in both colors. But on page 1, there's a pair of 6u spacebars. On deskhero, there's a pair of 6u light spacebars, not both colors.
What about the numpad 5 non barred? It's not in the image on page 8?
Also group buy is up.
Post by: Boy_314 on Tue, 11 August 2020, 13:49:38
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Tue, 11 August 2020, 13:50:14
Post by: NoChance on Tue, 11 August 2020, 15:16:00
When the Vendor doesn't display the right kits and renders and the IC thread has multiple kits and renders with different options floating throughout, it's hard to know with confidence what you're buying. This is particularly true with the horrendous situation that existed the last time this ran.
Post by: chive_ on Tue, 11 August 2020, 17:03:10
It would probably be a good idea to clean up the thread and get rid of any of the kits that show anything not being delivered.
When the Vendor doesn't display the right kits and renders and the IC thread has multiple kits and renders with different options floating throughout, it's hard to know with confidence what you're buying. This is particularly true with the horrendous situation that existed the last time this ran.
Or just make a GB thread for the set with the final kits
Post by: scoopbb on Tue, 11 August 2020, 17:32:08
Post by: DJ Shoko on Tue, 11 August 2020, 17:39:11
Group Buy thread is still pending for approval, DM'd mods about it.It would probably be a good idea to clean up the thread and get rid of any of the kits that show anything not being delivered.
When the Vendor doesn't display the right kits and renders and the IC thread has multiple kits and renders with different options floating throughout, it's hard to know with confidence what you're buying. This is particularly true with the horrendous situation that existed the last time this ran.
Or just make a GB thread for the set with the final kits
But all of the kits in the first page is the final kits. Group buy is live at all vendors, will update IC OP with these info.
Vendors:
NA: Kono (https://kono.store/products/gmk-shoko)
Asia: iLumkb (https://ilumkb.com/products/gb-gmk-shoko-r2)
AU: Daily Clack (https://dailyclack.com/products/gmk-shoko-r2)
EU: proto[Typist] (https://prototypist.net/collections/gmk-shoko-r2/products/group-buy-gmk-shoko-r2)
CA: Deskhero (https://www.deskhero.ca/products/gmk-shoko-r2)
Price for each kit and from which vendors (Kono, iLumkb, proto[Typist], Daily Clack, and Deskhero respectively):
Base Kit: $134.99 USD/S$186.00 SGD/$188.00 AUD/£105.00 GBP/$187.00 CAD
Hiragana Kit: $74.99 USD/S$103.00 SGD/$105.00 AUD/£58.00 GBP/$104.00 CAD
Spacebar Kit: $26.99 USD/S$37.00 SGD/$38.00 AUD/£21.00 GBP/$37.00 CAD
Obscure Kit: $49.99 USD/S$69.00 SGD/$68.00 AUD/£39.00 GBP/$67.00 CAD
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Tue, 11 August 2020, 18:22:58
But all of the kits in the first page is the final kits.
...except for the spacebars kit, where both 6u are centered, as per a few posted up? So Kono’s versions are now correct? The 1st page, Desk Hero, and prototypist’s versions are wrong?
Post by: DJ Shoko on Tue, 11 August 2020, 18:25:09
Yeah Kono's is right now, I'll bug the other vendors on updating the renders. The renders are updated on the first page now btw.
But all of the kits in the first page is the final kits.
...except for the spacebars kit, where both 6u are centered, as per a few posted up? So Kono’s versions are now correct? The 1st page, Desk Hero, and prototypist’s versions are wrong?
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Tue, 11 August 2020, 18:32:59
Thank you!
Post by: stealthzero on Tue, 11 August 2020, 22:58:44
Post by: FaIIen on Tue, 11 August 2020, 23:17:33
Post by: //gainsborough on Tue, 11 August 2020, 23:34:34
Thanks again, Ray, for bringing back this awesome set!
Post by: heyimpanda on Tue, 11 August 2020, 23:47:32
Any clue on the estimated delivery date?
looks like most of the vendors have q3 2021/july 2021 so like a year! time to buy and forget about it :thumb:
Post by: DJ Shoko on Wed, 12 August 2020, 11:45:51
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108028.0