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Offline lam47

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« on: Wed, 06 October 2010, 03:33:53 »
So there is this thing called facebook.
Not sure if anyone else would be up for it or not.
Want to be friends?
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« Reply #1 on: Wed, 06 October 2010, 06:14:13 »
you can create a geekhack group if there's none already

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« Reply #2 on: Wed, 06 October 2010, 06:58:17 »
I think I would be afraid to meet some Geekhackers in RealLife or on Facebook (which are basically the same thing) ;)

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« Reply #3 on: Wed, 06 October 2010, 07:30:55 »

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« Reply #4 on: Wed, 06 October 2010, 07:38:48 »
I have met one GHer in RL.  Really cool guy, too.  We hit up some disc golf between SA and Austin in a town called Wimberley.  I'm not on Facebook.  I hate people.


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« Reply #5 on: Wed, 06 October 2010, 12:35:24 »
What is this 'Facebook' you speak of?

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« Reply #6 on: Wed, 06 October 2010, 12:38:28 »
Quote from: unicomp;230507
What is this 'Facebook' you speak of?


its a way to keep in touch with people you dont actually want to talk to.

I havent seen the facebook movie yet, but a friend told me the irony of facebook is pretty clear in the movie.
He said the movie opens with a raucus student bar scene, with students socializing face to face and in person with each other boisterously in a bar. And the movie ends with a lone student sitting alone in a room in front of his computer repeatedly hitting "refresh".

Thats what facebook has done to our kids -- in the name of 'socializing'.

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« Reply #7 on: Wed, 06 October 2010, 12:46:20 »
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its a way to keep in touch with people you dont actually want to talk to.


Indeed, it seems to me that there is a prevalence of social interaction at the present that is purely a function of social expectation. I am expected to be superficially friendly towards a lot of people whose company I have never shared (and don't necessarily desire to share) merely due to social situation. I suppose that this notion has been around for as long as society however it seems expected in this age that I should post such thoughts on an Internet forum as it these were new findings. Having said this, I am somewhat sickened by the falseness of this new fad of token friends. I suppose the notion of a friend is certainly a debatable one, however I am sure that there serves no real purpose in using the term to refer to those people which one has had virtually no interaction with in the past. I have never been a part of this social networking thing and I doubt that I will be, having said this I am not really a part of this whole social thing and I doubt that I will be.

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« Reply #8 on: Thu, 07 October 2010, 08:07:10 »
Like so many things in modern life...its fake.
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« Reply #9 on: Fri, 08 October 2010, 11:35:17 »
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I'm not on Facebook. I hate people.
^ this
 
Facebook is just another layer of tech which insulates people from each other.  I could never understand, for instance, why a person will painstakingly T9 long text conversations on his cellphone to send to someone with another cellphone ... why not just call instead?  (SMS does have quick/convenience advantages, and it's more clandestine, but otherwise pointless.)
 
I deal with too many people every day anyhow.  Everybody wants to be my friend.  Screw that - my computer is for fragging people in deathmatch, not socializing with them in an ongoing commercial.

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« Reply #10 on: Fri, 08 October 2010, 11:53:56 »
Now I can stalk you all.

Facebook has it's uses. Though sometimes I feel that it works as an excuse not to interact with people in real life.

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« Reply #11 on: Fri, 08 October 2010, 12:02:15 »
lol, avoid that entirely by never sharing money with somebody who always earns less than you do.

Offline unicomp

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« Reply #12 on: Fri, 08 October 2010, 12:02:39 »
Arguably the use of forums is in some way an analogous form of socialisation. Any community that is built purely* upon the ethos of allowing people to augment their social life as opposed to providing some form of tangible information is likely to become a cesspit of banal human interaction.

(*purely is used in a somewhat obviously inaccurate manner here).

Popular services are often annoying, particularly to those not using them who are in the apparent minority, which is part of the reason for the often seemingly over-the-top opinions of these services. I am not aware as to how 'Facebook' could improve my life in any real way, I have no desire to talk to talk to more people, I have no desire to waste my time on the popular games, I have absolutely no desire to be deluged with the seemingly endless stream of faeces that constitutes the vast majority of all of the thoughts, opinions and publicised text of the general public.

People are often useful, society is system that should be admired in many respects, however this is from a somewhat macroscopic viewpoint. When one thinks about a system or partakes actively in a system then one tends to acquire a somewhat microscopic viewpoint of the system. On the microscopic scale then it is almost certain that I would concur with the hatred of people. People are boring, they have stupid opinions, they can't argue in a reasonable manner, they are seemingly happy with mediocrity and they seem to have little introspection.

I am often bemused at my seemingly poor ability to judge what other people are thinking. How can these people have the same thought process as I do when their actions portray an orthogonal outlook? This question is a source of anger for me.
« Last Edit: Fri, 08 October 2010, 12:05:22 by unicomp »

Offline Konrad

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« Reply #13 on: Fri, 08 October 2010, 12:10:49 »
In RL interaction the spammers are forced to look you in the eye.  And generally stand close enough that you could attack them, lol.
 
About "people are often useful" and "happy with mediocrity" ...
 
I sometimes see these fantastic blog sites, clearly the result of many many hours of dedicated effort.  Sometimes quite excessively detailed works of love.  I find myself asking how interesting (or believable) can this person's life really be, since it's obvious that they spend 12 hours every day just sitting in front of a computer?

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« Reply #14 on: Fri, 08 October 2010, 12:35:39 »
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In RL interaction the spammers are forced to look you in the eye.  And generally stand close enough that you could attack them, lol.
 
About "people are often useful" and "happy with mediocrity" ...
 
I sometimes see these fantastic blog sites, clearly the result of many many hours of dedicated effort.  Sometimes quite excessively detailed works of love.  I find myself asking how interesting (or believable) can this person's life really be, since it's obvious that they spend 12 hours every day just sitting in front of a computer?

People are often useful in the sense that one can, given certain skills, procure free services from these people. I will refrain from attacking people for leading a boring life, I fully admit that my life is rather boring to me and is almost undoubtedly considered incredibly boring by other people, my comment about mediocrity is mainly that people do not seem to care if they scrape by in life. I want to be the best in the things that I do, I do not congratulate myself for achieving anything other than the best, and if I achieve the best then I am satisfied, not elated, joyful or pleased. In some manners I find my contention of this point to be somewhat paradoxical in that people not really trying are people I am likely to be able to exceed in a given ability; however it is not necessarily that they do not seem to make much effort, it is the mindset that seems to plague people.

However this is becoming less about 'Facebook' and more about the general concept of people and society.

Offline Lanx

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« Reply #15 on: Fri, 08 October 2010, 16:11:57 »
I deal with marketing/advertising and I avoid facebook. If old friends want to be in touch I tell em to friend my fiancee's facebook who only had to make one cuz everyone in her workplace had one and they were surprised she didn't have one. This comes at a revelation cuz we're seen as technologically adept, especially me, among all my friends and anyone I meet I always assert myself as the tech guy.
But when soccer moms and ppl who buy a smartphone cuz the interface links directly with FB ask why i don't have a facebook, they just don't understand my stance, which is FB is pretty worthless. I really don't care to find my long lost HS/college friends, hey we lost touch for a reason!

Offline Konrad

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« Reply #16 on: Fri, 08 October 2010, 17:03:17 »
lol, Lanx
 
Coworkers are astounded and somewhat confused when I don't sign onto facebook, when I don't even send SMS - I just use my phone to voice call them, I use webmail for emailing, I don't run any kind of IM/chat ****.  "Hey, wanna go bull**** at the pool hall?" or "watch Iron Man 2?" or even "deathmatch some Nazis/Demons/Noobs?" is infinitely better than "wanna blog out on some facebook/chatroom sites?".
 
What I don't understand is how people don't get bored of it.
 
I have plenty of friends from HS/college/uni days ... and plenty more that I just don't give a **** about, assuming I can bother to remember them at all.  HS was a crappy time and place for me, so I didn't bother with any reunion bull**** (apparently much to the utter shock of my random HS classmates).  I've met - studied with, worked with, lived with, befriended - a lot of people in my lifetime who just haven't stood the test of time ... contact was lost/discontinued for good reasons.  Why the **** would I wanna collect them all as contacts and spend hours each day/week facebooking them?

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« Reply #17 on: Fri, 08 October 2010, 17:47:11 »
It's pretty funny that most of us geeks hate facebook.  Most of the popular kids I knew in high school are pretty active on it. Probably cause it's too close to real life interaction, and geeks hate that sort of stuff and see more point to the net or something?

I did find a really awesome singer on it that I found on youtube though that has a facebook account.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Sarah-Michele/152996948073550


 First time I actually had anyone on facebook I actually liked, and wanted to "friend", even though I've had an account for years. lol
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« Reply #18 on: Fri, 08 October 2010, 17:55:41 »
Quote from: wellington1869;230508
its a way to keep in touch with people you dont actually want to talk to.

I havent seen the facebook movie yet, but a friend told me the irony of facebook is pretty clear in the movie.
He said the movie opens with a raucus student bar scene, with students socializing face to face and in person with each other boisterously in a bar. And the movie ends with a lone student sitting alone in a room in front of his computer repeatedly hitting "refresh".

Thats what facebook has done to our kids -- in the name of 'socializing'.

It's pretty funny.  Never been to a party irl, never been to a bar.   I went to high school and my first college attempt when I was young before the www was around.  Don't see the point of facebook.   But I've been sitting in front of a computer all my life... so maybe the point is that it's making the pop kids more like me? roflol
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« Reply #19 on: Fri, 08 October 2010, 18:08:29 »
I got tired of it. I barely use it anymore; other then to check on photos.

Offline Konrad

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« Reply #20 on: Fri, 08 October 2010, 18:39:35 »
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... Never been to a party irl, never been to a bar.

Strange. It seems like that's basically all I ever did in my wasted youth.
 
... When you split a house with 3-4 friends/roomies (plus, eventually, women), then your home becomes an endless "party" - people are always hanging out, coming, going, making plans to meet in your living room, bringing food, taking food, making a mess, cleaning ... sometimes you don't even know who the hell they are, lol sometimes they get offended when you kick them out because they don't know who you are.
... So I (along with my roomies) would often leave, go to the pub or poolhall or park or whatever, to get away from the "party" ... and of course end up meeting more people all the time who'd be invited to our home.
 
What happens at these parties? People stand or lounge around and talk about nothing, mostly.  Lots of gossip about each other or events that already happened at the party, or the previous party, etc.  They naturally converge on anybody who's interesting, always seeking to be entertained. Sometimes they're looking to meet friends or strangers who are interested in going somewhere else that's more exciting.
 
Seems to me that's the same **** as what I've seen on Facebook. Except that in RL you can actually get laid. And people are more "genuine" - they know and talk about what they actually know instead of becoming google-equipped experts.
 
Even so - what's the point in constantly hunting around for new friends (who for the most part are little more than websites) when you've already got friends?
 
I agree with you - it's ironic that we, the jaded techy nerds, are in fact more "socially mature" than the popular mainstream people. (Like you, I was a nerd long before it was cool to be a nerd.)
« Last Edit: Fri, 08 October 2010, 18:43:09 by Konrad »

Offline lam47

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« Reply #21 on: Sat, 09 October 2010, 05:31:28 »
This is a pretty interesting discussion!
Still. I'm going to put my neck on the line and provide my Facebook name.
Not that I am particularly interesting or anything.

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« Reply #22 on: Sat, 09 October 2010, 07:00:21 »
whats worse is i see these ppl (who are now around my age of just 30) writing sentences on their facebook page/wall or other pages like stupid teens or worse tweens. I see "ROFL i hear dat George!, LOL"
Just recently i saw a tweet from 50c (the rapper who been shot 9times!) and after every other reply he goes Lol.
I mean i work out to this guy's music, his beats are sick, but i picture him saying Lol, after a tweet, i can only hope he's paying an 18 yr old intern to follow him around and just tweet the stuff he says.

I don't talk like that anymore and I haven't for, forever maybe i consider myself "internet mature" or savvy, but going "OMG, like OMG you have to see LINK so much LOL!!!"
this is what i see on facebook from ppl i grew up with, it's like they're children when they start to type online.

I think maybe also it has to do with the fact that i used to play MMO's. I played them in 2000-2008 w/ my fiancee so maybe i was just exposed to all that teenie angst so long ago and seen all that typing from teenagers.

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« Reply #23 on: Sat, 09 October 2010, 07:11:42 »
Roflmaobbqcopter!!!!
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« Reply #24 on: Sat, 09 October 2010, 07:16:40 »
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whats worse is i see these ppl (who are now around my age of just 30) writing sentences on their facebook page/wall or other pages like stupid teens or worse tweens. I see "ROFL i hear dat George!, LOL"
Just recently i saw a tweet from 50c (the rapper who been shot 9times!) and after every other reply he goes Lol.
I mean i work out to this guy's music, his beats are sick, but i picture him saying Lol, after a tweet, i can only hope he's paying an 18 yr old intern to follow him around and just tweet the stuff he says.

I don't talk like that anymore and I haven't for, forever maybe i consider myself "internet mature" or savvy, but going "OMG, like OMG you have to see LINK so much LOL!!!"
this is what i see on facebook from ppl i grew up with, it's like they're children when they start to type online.

I think maybe also it has to do with the fact that i used to play MMO's. I played them in 2000-2008 w/ my fiancee so maybe i was just exposed to all that teenie angst so long ago and seen all that typing from teenagers.



I hear this my man.
I send text messages without any abbreviations at all.
Sad to say I have used lol more than once but try desperately to write;
'That made me chuckle a bit' Or even just 'I laughed out loud at that zinger'
The degradation of the English language at the hands of technology and the youth of today is the price we pay for progress I guess.

Not us. We use all the keys on our keyboards and typewriters and both straps on our back packs. And for the simple reason, that is what they are for!

Rise up my friends.
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« Reply #25 on: Sat, 09 October 2010, 07:42:05 »
Never had a Facebook account, never will.

When it first was becoming popular, I saw too many people waste their lives away in front of it (and I didn't need another time sink).
And stalking people is about all its really good for.

I'm sure lots of people would like to stay in contact with me (I move around a lot, and am somewhat sociable), but I really only talk to the people I want to stay in contact with.

Of course it's becoming more of a pain to explain to people that I don't have a Facebook account, and yes I know what it is, and I don't want one. Half-jokingly, I'll usually use a "Facebook is evil!!" chant when with a group of people. Individually, it's usually easier to explain.

Oh wait, this is a group discussion...

"FACEBOOK IS EVIL!!! THEY ALREADY OWN YOUR SOUL!!! KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE!!! WHERE YOU WORK!!! WHERE YOUR PARENTS/GRANDPARENTS/FRIENDS/RELATIVES/ETC LIVE/GO TO WORK!!! AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!"
Fortunately, it seems like a good lot of people here don't use Facebook.
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« Reply #26 on: Sat, 09 October 2010, 07:54:25 »
Same here. I refuse to visit Facebook when given a link to it.

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« Reply #27 on: Sat, 09 October 2010, 08:05:43 »
I don't get why people hate Facebook (although typically it's because they've never used it and don't really get what's good about it). It's a nice way to keep in touch with people and get back in touch with people you haven't seen in a while. The bad thing about it is that many people take it too seriously (like it is RL or something). However, I simply ignore these people or enjoy lulz at their expense.

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« Reply #28 on: Sat, 09 October 2010, 10:19:08 »
Quote from: kishy

"Facebook" is pretty flawed, in a few important ways, but the concept is fantastic and until another site rivals it (none do currently), I'll be a user. I won't disclose my address, phone number, real last name or a photo above webcam resolution, but I'll be a user.


I agree that it's HUGELY flawed; they've re-architected it majorly over time and it's gotten so kludgy it's rediculous. I remember I read one of their company pages about their strict release process that all the developers have to follow. Yea right, you've GOT to be kidding me. Each release seems to have more bugs than the last. Actually, maybe their release process is strict but their testing process seems to be non-existant.

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« Reply #29 on: Sat, 09 October 2010, 14:00:50 »
I wouldn't know - haven't got a facebook account.
 
Agreed with Lanx. I never really played MMOs (tried the free WoW demo, got bored after a couple weeks, let it die) - but I did go through a sudden ~1-month addiction to webchat, long enough to become savvy and escape from the net.
 
Now my between-tasks (boredom) "time sink" is just a handful of random forums like GH, where my absence would hardly even be noticed. :ohwell:

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« Reply #30 on: Sun, 10 October 2010, 22:49:16 »
Quote from: Lanx;231684
whats worse is i see these ppl (who are now around my age of just 30) writing sentences on their facebook page/wall or other pages like stupid teens or worse tweens. I see "ROFL i hear dat George!, LOL"
Just recently i saw a tweet from 50c (the rapper who been shot 9times!) and after every other reply he goes Lol.
I mean i work out to this guy's music, his beats are sick, but i picture him saying Lol, after a tweet, i can only hope he's paying an 18 yr old intern to follow him around and just tweet the stuff he says.

I don't talk like that anymore and I haven't for, forever maybe i consider myself "internet mature" or savvy, but going "OMG, like OMG you have to see LINK so much LOL!!!"
this is what i see on facebook from ppl i grew up with, it's like they're children when they start to type online.

I think maybe also it has to do with the fact that i used to play MMO's. I played them in 2000-2008 w/ my fiancee so maybe i was just exposed to all that teenie angst so long ago and seen all that typing from teenagers.

When you write casually on the net, the only real way to express your tone is to use lol and such.  Omg is a bit teen sounding, but you can be mature and use lol.  It just shows you have a jovial tone.  It's really nothing more than writing out "such and such", laughing hysterically.  Your point is a bit like saying people over 30 shouldn't laugh, or be silly.  

If you don't use it you end up reading like a stick in the mud imo.  I'm of the generation where lol was invented, and have been using it for more than 20 years now.  I don't see stopping just cause I'm nearing 40.  I still say awesome and cool in rl too. lol
« Last Edit: Sun, 10 October 2010, 22:55:17 by chimera15 »
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« Reply #31 on: Mon, 11 October 2010, 02:43:58 »
lol is acceptable in moderation, lol, but it's awfully easy lol to start writing like you're just a big dumb lollipop, lol. And, lol, then it gets worse, lol, because you start writing rofl and lmao, lol, and suddenly - lol - nothing you write is sensible anymore at all lol, roflmao, lolololololol. lol.
 
This is roughly equivalent to **** and **** in a way - the words become so frequent and generic that they clutter your meaning and begin to blanket out your vocabulary.  I personally find that I need to stop myself from inserting a lol in place of every change in facial expression or little gesture.
 
Of course we can't really start typing things like pshaw, harharhar, chuckle, snicker, fnord instead, so lol is probably going to stay with us for a long time. The other alternative is a saturated splatter of emoticons, and we all know how that turns out.
« Last Edit: Mon, 11 October 2010, 02:48:13 by Konrad »

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« Reply #32 on: Mon, 11 October 2010, 04:14:46 »
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What I don't understand is how people don't get bored of it.
 


Are you kidding?  Facebook is like the ultimate ego trip.  People post their goings on as if every detail actually matters to everyone else.  I actually put a status update to use for a good cause and then realized I would have been better off just sending the message directly since that would at least get seen and read.  

I avoided facebook for the longest time, but had to get registered in order to check out a pic of an old beau to see if it was him.  Then upon joining I immediately received a message from another past but lovely distraction who I was genuinely pleased to hear from and then everything cascaded and 42 people from my past were suddenly back in touch within a day and a half.  I was able to reach a classmate of mine that I had been trying to contact on "classmates.com" for years, but missed due to not having a gold account.   It is a marvelous tool for keeping tabs  on folks and finding ones you wish you hadn't lost touch with.   Plus if it weren't for FB I would have missed the Sting concert at the Bowl since I didn't even know he was coming to town (and for that alone I am even grateful for all the data mining that prompted the advertisement on my page which clued me in 36 hours before showtime.)

I very rarely log on though - most info of import is forwarded to my email directly...


I guess maybe I am at the right age to appreciate the value of some of those auld aquantances without feeling the need to become one with my facebook page.  I guess I am also lucky that I genuinely like the people I count as friends there (for the most part anyway - some acquaintances from long ago but no one I don't actually know or actively don't like.) Facebook is everything and then some that Classmates.com had originally set out and failed to become - and it was free.   Plus it brought me back into real time contact with people that anchor me to a very comfortable sense of self that I had been missing in the world at large.  It is comforting to feel known.  But that again may be because I was very spoiled by the company of sensible and intelligent people in my early and sheltered years - I welcome their return after seeing what the representative slice of the populace has to offer.  


TWITTER on the other hand.... I have yet to find a redeeming "tweet" that was worth the effort of clicking on the link.
« Last Edit: Mon, 11 October 2010, 04:48:09 by Voixdelion »
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« Reply #33 on: Mon, 11 October 2010, 04:43:21 »
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It is a narvelous tool for keeping tabs on folks.
Yes. Of course they keep tabs on you in return.
 
Along with every hormonal perv in the world. And would-be employers. And - worst of all by far - the ad bots which constantly collect, correlate, database, sort, and archive every trivial little thing they can find out about you, to sell to the highest bidder. Big brother concept - just pervasive, decentralized, and purely profit-driven. Facebook's gotta make money to eat too, y'know.

Offline Senor_Cartmenez

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« Reply #34 on: Mon, 11 October 2010, 06:03:28 »
I have actually seen the facebook movie last friday.

And I have a question to my fellow geekhackers.

In the movie, they get to a point where they realize what they are sitting on as facebook.com is slowly exploding. The guy who funded the first servers (the original partner of Zuckerberg) says that the site has to start generating profits now. The only way the funder can imagine to do so is by starting to use advertisements on the page and he starts to get in touch with marketing firms in order to sell space on facebook.com as advertising space.

Zuckerberg hates that idea because he says it will make facebook "uncool" if there suddenly are Pepsi popups and ads everywhere and that people will stop using it and that they will destroy it before it ever lives up to its potential.

All very valid points and here enters the Napster dude aka Justin Timberlake. He still has connections to all the corporate sharks from his napster days and introduces Zuckerberg and Facebook to them. This ultimately results in one of those corporate sharks investing 500K into facebook for shares.

That's when the good times get rolling and more and more corporate sharks invest huger and huger somes with the membership numbers of facebook exploding, currently standing at around 500 million.
In the meantim, the original funder of facebook keeps trying with the marketing firms and the advertising idea and keeps failing until he is pushed out of the company.


Now, what the movie fails to even touch is the question of "why" ?

Why did the corporate shark invest 500k? Why are all the other companies willing to invest such high monies? How is facebook making money if they have no ads and no other source of income???
The directors of the movie seemd to (apparently rightly so) assume that the audience will be happy to accept that companies were willing to invest huge amounts of money "just because" (facebook is facebook, huge and all u know, millions of people, social network GOD DAMNIT !)....


Fact is, the movie doesn't give the slightes idea why they invested. And no one seems to care.

For me there is only one logical reason, why a company would be willing to invest this much money in it if not for advertising and that is: Data

I am pretty sure that the huge corps basically get User-Data of Facebook for investing money. That user Data is very valuable, especially since all the sheep on facebook so willingly give so many details of their life, their friend's lives and their firend's friend's lives (continue...) away. The profiles corporations can make out of all this data are invaluable.

Since selling this type of data is illegal just about anywhere, it's tough to openly do so. But with facebook, the corps that actually want to get their hands on this data can become shareholders. And it is much easier to justify that a shareholder in the company had to have access to the "customer" data, than if u have to justify that u sold a package of 100 thousand addresses to someone.

I also think that "ad bods" and employers and such are the least of the worries in this situation.
What really is messed up is that stuff like... u know banksters and the insurance mob get access to this type of data. And then u get really ****ed.

What y'all think?
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Offline chimera15

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« Reply #35 on: Mon, 11 October 2010, 06:22:43 »
It is interesting that Facebook doesn't have ads.  I hadn't realized it.   It does really make you wonder how they make money.  Do they have games you can pay for in some fashion or something?  Also you never notice that all the major websites are becoming password linked and such?  Like you can log into youtube with facebook and such.  Not sure if that's true, but there are lots of sites like that.  So I have to wonder if the same investors are making their money other places and using facebook to gather info on users.

I guess they do have ads?
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-does-facebook-make-money-2010-5

Oh yeah I see it's when you visit other people's pages the ads come up.
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Offline Konrad

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« Reply #36 on: Mon, 11 October 2010, 07:22:02 »
I haven't seen the movie, nor can I be assured that the facts it states are accurate.
 
But that's exactly how Bill Gates got started, he suckered Apple (which is to say, Jobs and Woz, mostly) into paying MS to build Basic.  Then IBM (or more accurately, a few important IBM people who were introduced to him) to invest in DOS (which some legends say was actually vapourware until a frantic weekend of coding allowed Monday morning delivery).
 
Come to think about it, that's how Apple started too.  The first "sale" was 50 units to a computer shop, an unexpected windfall from a forward-looking entrepreneur who was impressed by Jobs' bull****ting.  A game they played again when attracting those rich investor tycoons.  And again, and again, just now with the big name stock market players.
 
It's how all the hollywood ****s get their shot at being a big celebrity - get close to somebody who's rich/powerful/positioned and convince them to take a shot on you.
 
That's how Chef Ramsey got his break.  He's a chef, probably a pretty good one, he's served his time and worked his way through the rungs.  He'd probably score maybe $60K per year, if he was good, just like most other chefs.  Maybe more, maybe even millions, if he started his own restaurant chain and worked hard.  But instead he met someone influential and got a cash injection, so now he's a celebrity who does far more acting than chefing, he probably gets $10M per season, easy.
 
It's all about who you know, not what you can do.  Improve your golf game, learn to bull****, meet those jaded but canny affluent sorts who have the money and are willing to spend it but just need to be convinced that they're investing in a winnner.  All the very richest people in the world are salesmen.

Offline Konrad

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« Reply #37 on: Mon, 11 October 2010, 07:22:59 »
And, lol, I alluded to how facebook generates revenue.  They collect, compile, and sell user info to advertising and marketing agencies.

Offline Senor_Cartmenez

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« Reply #38 on: Mon, 11 October 2010, 07:32:37 »
hm, I wasn't aware that they do have ads now.

Makes sense though.

At the beginning (last time I checked) they however did NOT have ads. Now that it's established, it makes sense to have ads though. By now it's a self runner and won't die because of ads. Since ads are an additional way to generate monies, it makes sense that at some point they included them.

Offline Voixdelion

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« Reply #39 on: Wed, 13 October 2010, 02:33:05 »
Oh, Indubitably they are in it for the data.  Even if they aren't collecting it into an organized categorized database for that purpose of selling the compiled data outright, it is hardly necessary to do that.   Advertising isn't just about what monies are gained from the people who see the ads - there is HUGE money in selling the potential to expose people.  They can simply make a fortune by selling ad space to companies based on the fact that anyone who sees their ad is likely to be a potential customer.  (Unlike, say,  all the spam I get trying to sell me penis enlargement products...)  Given what kind of bucks are spent for a 30 second TV spot during the Superbowl, imagine how valuable such precisely targeted ads would be.  

The ads that exist now are already targeted to the profile holder when they appear on the page.  Very rarely have I seen an ad on FB that wasn't somehow linked to something I might have "liked" or some item in my profile in the basic info page.  I began to be a little wary of that when the first big change I noticed was that suddenly all the things I had listed under favorite movies or books or what have you were going to be linked to a page of that thing.  I actually removed a great deal of things from my "likes" at that point, but if I wanted to leave anything, I was going to have to live with being an advertising vehicle for them directly since it was link or not like.    

I can't say this is a horrible thing, however, even despite my annoyance with the fact that advertising pretty drives all commerce in some way now, as I have already reaped a considerable benefit of this.  One of the things i chose to leave (and therefore allow linking to a page) in my list of favorite music was Sting.  Turns out, I would never have known Sting was in town were it not for the (very small and unintrusive, even) advertisement which I saw on the top right corner when I logged in to my account to investigate some spam wall post about acai berry that I was pretty sure my friend didn't send.  That was 36 hours before showtime... My first thought was that I don't think I would ever have have appreciated targeted advertising were it not for that, and boy was I grateful for it then.  I've been kicking myself for missing the Police Reunion Tour ever since I skipped it in an attempt to be responsible and not spend the money.  

But generally, I don't mind ads, per se.  I don't like the fact that they try to find ways to "sell" us stuff using psychological manipulation instead of making products that we actually want and advertising the product based on its benefits.  I still prefer Castrol Syntech motor oil because of that one commercial they used to show where they ran the engines after draining out the oil and the Castrol one kept going.  And as it happens, one day I was driving and the bolt on my oil pan dropped out somewhere - along with all my oil.  When I pulled over to check when the oil lamp came on, there was not a drop left in the engine at all.  I don't know if having Castrol in my car helped or not that day, but that is indeed what I had put in.

But what is really dangerous about FB is the fact that now it isn't just FB that has access to all that juicy info with all the "features" they keep adding which automatically have access to all the info on your profile even from a totally unrelated site, for example, like CNN.com or something.  Plus the geographical location apps, and the games (which hardly need to know anything about me or my friends, but need access to all my info?)  That worries me some.  I've not gotten concerned enough to delete my FB account, because I do like what it provides for me, but I have to constantly crank down on the privacy settings every time they alter something which opts me in by default.  I sometimes would like to know exactly what some of the code looks like for the site because I don't really trust that they are as cautious as they should be in making sure there are no holes.  I'm pretty sure that already certain apps can be manipulated to access my friends even without logging in as me or knowing who I am.
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Offline EverythingIBM

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« Reply #40 on: Wed, 13 October 2010, 06:47:42 »
Issues of privacy are far too great for me to be concerned with facebook. Honestly, I'm quite aghast at all the information people throw out there. I suppose I'm more of a "shadowy" type anyways: I value my privacy & peacefulness. Heck, I don't even own a cellphone.

I do know of many people who have been "long forgotten" from eachother to be contacted again via facebook... but that's not enough to make me use it. There's people I DON'T want contacting me! So, facebook can work in the opposite regard.
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Offline Senor_Cartmenez

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« Reply #41 on: Thu, 14 October 2010, 06:03:32 »
On a sidenote:

Did anyone else watch the movie and notice zuckerberg pull out an IBM Model M before he starts programming for the "facemash" website in the beginning of the movie?