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Offline lam47

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« on: Thu, 22 January 2009, 11:13:16 »
I got a lot of nice parcels today!

I want to say a huge thanks to Sandy for the model M Space saver and the Japanese IBM BS board. I will review them soon.
Not to mention the devices included in the box.
Again pictures and reviews to come.
I'm so sorry that your board has not got there yet Sandy.
Fingers crossed its there soon.

And to Webwit who despite having lost and found a HH before decided to let me buy it!
I will have a review of the sublime HHKB pro 2 in time.
As well as some nice pictures.
Also He sent a Compaq 11800 with cherry browns.
Some interesting info on them to come.
Thanks for the extras too mate you are the best.

THANKYOU!
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« Reply #1 on: Thu, 22 January 2009, 11:31:34 »
Wow, 1 topre, 1 cherry brown and 2 buckling spring keyboards at the same time! This is your lucky day! :)

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« Reply #2 on: Thu, 22 January 2009, 11:45:16 »
cool. thats like x-mas in January : )
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« Reply #3 on: Thu, 22 January 2009, 11:57:37 »
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cool. thats like x-mas in January : )


seriously.  pleasure overload.

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« Reply #4 on: Thu, 22 January 2009, 12:09:24 »
I dont know where to start!
I keep swapping over :)

AND

this Saturday I finally get the macally from wellington!
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« Reply #5 on: Thu, 22 January 2009, 12:13:14 »
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I dont know where to start!

Get the camera, quick!!!! ;)

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« Reply #6 on: Thu, 22 January 2009, 13:16:36 »
I'm glad someone is having a good day. The only word I've heard all day is "No." I've given up.

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« Reply #7 on: Thu, 22 January 2009, 13:29:41 »
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... 'boards ...

A whole collection on a single day. :) Congrats!

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« Reply #8 on: Thu, 22 January 2009, 13:30:17 »
It has been good. Also met my friends 4 week old baby boy who is just beautiful.
Its going to take some time to absorb the nuances of each board.
Tomorrow I will get some pics and short reviews up for each.

One quick question (and nobody take offence please)

what is a good way to remove the smell of cigarettes from a keyboard?
I'm trying febreze on a cloth but its not as effective as I would like.

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« Reply #9 on: Thu, 22 January 2009, 13:36:55 »
Try sitting the keyboard in a bag or box with lots of bicarbonate of soda for a day or so. It's really good at absorbing smells.

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« Reply #10 on: Thu, 22 January 2009, 13:55:44 »
Lucky bastard... Enjoy!
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« Reply #11 on: Thu, 22 January 2009, 13:59:47 »
Ground coffee is great at removing cigarette smell.

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« Reply #12 on: Thu, 22 January 2009, 14:00:40 »
looking forward to your reviews

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« Reply #13 on: Thu, 22 January 2009, 14:04:48 »
Ozone. There are shops that use ozone to de-smell cars.

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« Reply #14 on: Thu, 22 January 2009, 14:05:01 »
Thanks all, it is fun!
Good ideas there from imav and Chloe.
I will go with the baking soda first as we have a Tassimo ;)
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« Reply #15 on: Thu, 22 January 2009, 15:13:44 »
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Tassimo


You're speaking British again ;)

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« Reply #16 on: Thu, 22 January 2009, 15:36:11 »
Tassimo (at least here, anyway) is the brand name for a coffee machine.  It uses coffee/hot chocolate/tea/etc. "cartridges.  Get it together, Wellington!   :)

That's fantastic, lam, congratulations.  I just got my ABS 'board (Filco clone) today, and I am still giving a spin.  So far it is absolutely fantastic (I'll get around to a proper review in the next several days; right now, I'll say that if you like the black Alps in the Dell, get the ABS).


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« Reply #17 on: Fri, 23 January 2009, 07:38:45 »
How about you throw the keyboard in the dishwasher on a low temp? Baking soda might remove odor, but there could still be residue inside the board which will cause ti to smell bad again in the future.

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« Reply #18 on: Fri, 23 January 2009, 08:56:39 »
I dont have a dishwasher and would be far to afraid as its an expensive board.
Its in a box with some baking soda at the moment I think it might well do the trick.

Yeah the Tassimo is a coffee machine my mother gave us for Christmas.
Just mentioned it because iMav recommended coffee grounds but the machine takes a barcoded cartridge that is sealed. The machine scans the code and acts accordingly.
Its very cool :)

Thanks so much for all the kind words everyone.
I hope to get some pictures etc up this afternoon.

Also I have some alps opening tools made by Sandy to offer for free.
One per member.
I will post some pictures of how to use them later on too.
I have a lot to do :)
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« Reply #19 on: Fri, 23 January 2009, 09:15:22 »
Simple Green (I don't know if it availble in the UK, though).  It will clean anything from anything.  My dad and I used to use it clean Model Ms back in the day.


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« Reply #20 on: Fri, 23 January 2009, 09:36:02 »
itlnstln, do you know what kind of Simple Green you used?
http://www.simplegreen.co.uk/haushalt_01.php.htm

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« Reply #21 on: Fri, 23 January 2009, 12:36:10 »
It would be the all-purpose cleaner that you have linked to.  At DIY stores (Home Depot and Lowes in the US), you might be able to find it in a large jug without the sprayer (US Gallon/half-gallon/several pints/litres, etc.).  We would get the large jug of cleaner and soak the non PCB parts in a bucket of Simple Green for a few days and then scrub/wipe down the components.  You might be able to soak the electronics, too, but like the dishwasher method, I would ensure they are dry before using them.  Remember, we did this Model Ms; I have never tried this on other keyboards.


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« Reply #22 on: Fri, 23 January 2009, 12:37:56 »
The day I put a Happy Hacker in the dishwasher is the day I need to start wearing nappies.
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« Reply #23 on: Sat, 24 January 2009, 08:04:36 »
Ok 24 hours in a small box with baking soda and it still smells of ***s.
I wasn't supposed to put the soda on the board was I?
I might buy some coffee today.
What am I looking for exactly?

Laurie.
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« Reply #24 on: Sat, 24 January 2009, 08:34:45 »
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Ok 24 hours in a small box with baking soda and it still smells of ***s.


Waiting for the US folks to "WTF" this comment.  I will then wait quietly for the UK delegation's response.  Semantic breakdowns at their finest. :)


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« Reply #25 on: Sat, 24 January 2009, 08:59:06 »
How much powder did you use? I did this with a Gameboy and emptied a 200g tub into a plastic box and sat the console on top.

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« Reply #26 on: Sat, 24 January 2009, 09:03:41 »
I used the whole pot. 200g. The board was on a tiny box about a cm away from the powder. I sealed the box and its been in there since.
I did take a few keys off and found there are some yellow stains under them.
I assume nicotine stains. Im going to get some  isopropyl alcohol and give it a good clean out. Fingers crossed it makes a difference.
Something this sexy should not smell of ***s. (not homosexuals)
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« Reply #27 on: Sat, 24 January 2009, 09:09:14 »
I think nicotine leaves a yellowish stain so it would probably be better to clean it out first and maybe sit the parts in powder afterwards.

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« Reply #28 on: Sat, 24 January 2009, 09:12:12 »
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I think nicotine leaves a yellowish stain so it would probably be better to clean it out first and maybe sit the parts in powder afterwards.


So actually on the powder?
I can do that with the keys then rinse them.
Im a little weary of removing the pcb and everything just because of the value of the board.
There are some pictures of what to expect somewhere I will have a look for them.

I dont want all the domes and springs to go flying when I open him up.

Thanks for all the advice Chlo.
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« Reply #29 on: Sat, 24 January 2009, 09:15:13 »
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I think nicotine leaves a yellowish stain so it would probably be better to clean it out first and maybe sit the parts in powder afterwards.


Good call. You are probably going to have to give the 'board a good scrub with 409 or Simple Green (or whatever fairly strong cleaner is available in the UK) to get the contaminants off first, then use the baking soda to remove the residual smell.  Cigarettes are just terrible.  I went to a bar last night after a long week, and the smoking kinda ruined the atmosphere.


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« Reply #30 on: Sat, 24 January 2009, 09:18:48 »
I feel a bit bad for Webit here please dont take this personally mate.
Do you think it could be why the USB lead is kind of pink rather than white?
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« Reply #31 on: Sat, 24 January 2009, 09:35:52 »
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So actually on the powder?
I can do that with the keys then rinse them.
Im a little weary of removing the pcb and everything just because of the value of the board.
There are some pictures of what to expect somewhere I will have a look for them.

I dont want all the domes and springs to go flying when I open him up.

Thanks for all the advice Chlo.

It's safe to sit it on the powder, it rinses off easily. It looks like the rubber domes are loose in the HHKB so be prepared for that if you decide to remove the PCB. I would put the keycaps on last when putting it back together. It's hard to seat the domes properly otherwise.

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« Reply #32 on: Sat, 24 January 2009, 10:55:03 »
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I went to a bar last night after a long week, and the smoking kinda ruined the atmosphere.


They banned smoking here although it's still allowed in the street.

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« Reply #33 on: Sat, 24 January 2009, 11:32:29 »
This is a good HHKB-specific thread if you are interested.  I believe I posted some good disassembly pics there as well.

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« Reply #34 on: Sat, 24 January 2009, 11:57:54 »
Nice one iMav thanks. I have bookmarked it to read later.
Going to see Ella's sister for her birthday now :)
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« Reply #35 on: Sat, 24 January 2009, 16:44:26 »
Well that was offensive.
I did try to say I was feeling bad about it as I do appreciate what you have done.
I intentionally did not mention the board to start with and didn't want to.
I'm not sure where it slipped out and I apologize.

I am not whining endlessly in public but asking a genuine question about an issue I am having with a keyboard.
I can see that I have upset you and I feel awful.
It was not my intention to do anything of the sort.

Your comments about whining and the smell of tears are personal and directed directly at me.
I have said nothing derogatory about you and will not do so.
My problem is just that I have a lovely keyboard that smells of cigarettes and I don't want it to.
Again I can only offer my apologise for any offence caused.

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« Reply #36 on: Fri, 30 January 2009, 05:42:44 »
To anyone who needs to de smell anything I have found the best option!
Im not sure if this product is available in the US but Im sure you have something similar.

I used Bounce dryer sheets.
You are supposed to put one in with your washing when you dry it.
I sealed the keyboard in a bag with a sheet for a couple of days and its as fresh as a daisy.
Only time will tell whether or not the smell will return but I am hopeful.
The USB cable did not fare so well however and is still very smelly and pinky brown in colour. I will leave it a few more days and see what happens.

I found the idea from another site where people were trying to get the smell out of old rare books!

Hope this info is useful to someone :)
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« Reply #37 on: Fri, 30 January 2009, 06:44:06 »
Hey thats a cool trick, wouldn't have thought of that.

But if the smell returns, I think your best bet is to open it and really wash it all out. Water does not harm electronics. Only when there is power to a device, water causes shorts which harms electronics. After finding numerous 'boards in a very smelly garage, i've washed them up in the bathtub with great success. Ok, little stickers here and there come off, I have to report, but thats the least of my worries. cover the serial sticker with plastic and tape over that, and you can wash the whole case too.

It may sound scary but I think most members here will report success with washing. Just watch out for high temperature water. I even remember that one of the high volume ebay sellers soaks the cases in water with a touch of bleach overnight.

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« Reply #38 on: Fri, 30 January 2009, 06:57:57 »
You have to make sure that water cannot get trapped under components.

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« Reply #39 on: Fri, 30 January 2009, 07:12:04 »
And make sure it's distilled water, you definitely don't want to leave minerals around.

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« Reply #40 on: Fri, 30 January 2009, 07:12:54 »
From what I have read in the long past of this forum is that when people have done a water cleaning like this (i.e. dishwasher), they let everything dry in pieces for several days before putting everything back together.  If you wash the switches, you would have to be extra careful, like lowpoly said, that water does not get trapped in them and other, similar components.  I would aslo watch out for hard water (water with a lot of minerals in it like limestone).  As it drys, it can leave the mineral residue on parts which, overall, shouldn't be too bad, but even a little residue in the switches or other moving parts could be trouble as the grit would be rubbing against the components.  If you don't have hard water or have a water softener, you shouldn't have a problem. Around here, there is a good-selling product called Lemme Shine (I'm sure it's available in other parts of the US for sure).  It is essentially powdered citric acid, and it eliminates the residue caused by hard water on dishes in the dishwasher. You can also dilute in water, and use it in a spray bottle to clean bathrooms and such.  I use it at my house, and it works great.  On cheap metal (like the chrome used in some kitchen utensils) it can be corrosive (stainless steel is OK, though), so be careful if you want to use this on a keyboard.


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« Reply #41 on: Fri, 30 January 2009, 07:30:35 »
This is a HHKB Pro we are talking about, right?  Those are very easy to disassemble and clean.  I take mine apart periodically for a good cleaning.  Just make sure you don't lose any of the springs or rubber domes.  

If I received a used one, I'd do this regardless...even if it didn't smell.

I regards to the cable...there is nothing that says you have to use that one.  Give it a good cleaning or simply purchase another one.

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« Reply #42 on: Fri, 30 January 2009, 08:03:51 »
Im not using the USB it came with at the moment.
Its the HH yeah.
Seems to have worked though.
I also cleaned all the keys by hand with washing up liquid.
I guess the Bounce is a good lazy way to get rid of smells.

If the smell comes back I will open it all up and clean it all in distilled water (I have loads of the stuff for my PC, not to be confused with deionized water!)

Thanks guys.

Has anyone seen Webit? Hope he inst too pissed off.
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« Reply #43 on: Fri, 30 January 2009, 08:22:28 »
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Has anyone seen Webit? Hope he inst too pissed off.

Webwit posted as recently as yesterday.

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« Reply #44 on: Thu, 12 February 2009, 13:47:46 »
Smell is bloody coming back through now!
I have new keys coming which might help.
Fingers crossed.
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« Reply #45 on: Thu, 12 February 2009, 14:32:44 »
It's not a psychosomatic thing, is it?


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« Reply #46 on: Thu, 12 February 2009, 14:46:21 »
Lol. No Ella confirms it.
Its no where near as strong now but its still there.
I might have a sensitive nose I admit ;)

Perhaps the new keys will do it.
I have some isopropanol alcohol now too so will give under the keys a good clean too.
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« Reply #47 on: Thu, 12 February 2009, 14:50:12 »
You could try this: http://www.targon.net/.  It's a mouthwash, and I don't know if they sell it in the UK, but it might be worth a shot.


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« Reply #48 on: Mon, 16 February 2009, 05:36:45 »
Hey all.
I got my black keys from Japan today!
They look cool but only highlight the discolouration of the whole case.
I have been cleaning it with isopropinol alcohol which is getting quite a bit of brown off.
However it still does not look as pale as the new keys.

Any ideas? My normal steps would be whitening toothpaste but I would like to know if you guys have any ideas.

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« Reply #49 on: Mon, 16 February 2009, 06:26:43 »