SS Ikari broke again. Which mouse should I get now?

[fuzzybyte]

My steelseries ikari laser mouse broke again. The middle button actuates twice sometime very randomly. I think it is time to buy a new mouse.

Could you recommend me some new (ikari like) mouse to buy?
I have a quite big hand so none of those laptop like mice, please.
Or should I just buy a third ikari?

[squarebox]

IMO, Steelseries quality and durability is worst than Razer.

Maybe you can try the Mionix Naos 5000.
Basicly the same shape as the ikari but with much more and better features...
I'm still trying to get my hands on one.
Availability of such brands in Singapore is nil.

Other options:
- G500
- G700
- Deathadder

[Scarzy]

I'd say 518, or g500

[microsoft windows]

Looking for a mouse that won't break? Try an old Microsoft Intellimouse from the 90's. They got the two buttons and a scroll wheel, and they last forever.

[fuzzybyte]

I considered buying G500 first as I liked the old G5,
but the thumb buttons look crowded and small as it has a third "middle" button.
Also, at least one review said that the scroll wheel wasn't great.

I've tried Razer Copperhead and mamba before.
Copperhead was OK, but the symmetrical design made the right side buttons unreachable.
Mamba broke after few hours of use and was jumping like crazy anyway.

Mionix Naos 5000 costs about 80 EUR here

[vicariouscheese]

if you like the ikari shape, the most similar are ms3.0, mx518, g500, deathadder

the mionix looks good, but i have never seen or heard of anyone using it.

[squarebox]

I cant believe I almost forgot about the Microsoft X5.
Big, wide, plam grip and very cheap.
Cost SGD$45 @ retail stores in Singapore which about $27 EUR.
It's USD$35 on amazon and newegg.

[fuzzybyte]

Has anyone tried the QPad 5K mouse?
It is very similar to Ikari laser, around 65 EUR.

[Mazora]

Ive been using extensively the MX 500 but wanted new mouse (for home and gaming, I now use the MX at the office). I always took care of my gears.

I've been using the SS Xai with the 9HD mousepad : its awesome. Highly recommended.

The mouse seem very robust and I dont see it breaking any time soon; but again, I take good care of my stuff, im not rough with it.

[CodeChef]

I cant believe I almost forgot about the Microsoft X5.
Big, wide, plam grip and very cheap.
Cost SGD$45 @ retail stores in Singapore which about $27 EUR.
It's USD$35 on amazon and newegg.

It's total **** though. Not comfortable AT ALL. Trust me, I've tried it, I have big hands too. It's not as big as you would think.

OP, I would go with a MS IE3.0 or the Death Adder. If you like the shape of a G5 the MX518 is the exact same, its got the old-style wheel and buttons that you like, but I think you'll miss the dry grippy surface on the top part of the mouse that you had on the G5.

[turbocharged]

I've also been looking Mionix Naos 5000, but the lack of user reviews is scaring me a little. It looks perfect though.

[fuzzybyte]

I'm trying to decide between yet another Ikari laser, Qpad 5K and Mionix Naos 5000.

Ikari definitely has durability issues as I have 2 of them broke during 2 years.
Also, it has lower DPI value of 3200 compared to over five thousand or whatever on the other mice.

5K and Naos look almost exact copies of Ikari.

5K has slightly larger rest area for ring finger and pinky. Also, it has 2 DPI switch buttons even tough there can only be 2 DPI settings just like in Ikari. I don't see why they couldn't just have only one button like in Ikari.

Naos has lots of useless bells and whistles, pointless weight addon thingy which just adds more weight and very high price.

[ch_123]

What about the Xai? Or is that too expensive?

[fuzzybyte]

What about the Xai? Or is that too expensive?

I doubt I could live with that ambidextrous design.
I had a ambidextrous Razer once and oh boy was it joy and glory when I got a Ikari on my hand.

[Bullveyr]

Ikari definitely has durability issues as I have 2 of them broke during 2 years.

Did you consider fixing it by either fixing the switch or be simply swap the defective switch (if it is the switch and not the stem which presses on the switch)?

Also, it has lower DPI value of 3200 compared to over five thousand or whatever on the other mice.

Do you need more CPI, in most cases there is zero benfit in real life from more than 3000 CPI.

5K has slightly larger rest area for ring finger and pinky. Also, it has 2 DPI switch buttons even tough there can only be 2 DPI settings just like in Ikari. I don't see why they couldn't just have only one button like in Ikari.

Because they are stupid, not the only one with such a stupid CPI Switching Mechanism.

From what I have heard it's a decent mouse overall but nothing special and it has imho a too high price tag

Naos has lots of useless bells and whistles, pointless weight addon thingy which just adds more weight and very high price.

If you can life with 1600 CPI you could take a look at the Naos3200

[fuzzybyte]

Did you consider fixing it by either fixing the switch or be simply swap the defective switch (if it is the switch and not the stem which presses on the switch)?

I have not tried to fix it. Also, the first ikari broke due to broken cable, not broken switch.

Sadly, opening this thing requires me to peel off the teflon gliders from the bottom.

[tonyklo]

Try ZOWIE EC-1 or 2.
I have a thread opened up right below ; )

[Bullveyr]

I have not tried to fix it. Also, the first ikari broke due to broken cable, not broken switch.

Sadly, opening this thing requires me to peel off the teflon gliders from the bottom.

It's broke, not much to hurt here.
Did you get a refund for your old Ikari or do you still have it to switch the cable with the one with the broken switch?

I still have 2 fresh sets of glides for the Ikari.

[fuzzybyte]

It's broke, not much to hurt here.
Did you get a refund for your old Ikari or do you still have it to switch the cable with the one with the broken switch?

No, I don't have the old mouse anymore.

Steelseries really should come up with an upgraded version of Ikari.

[sunsmells]

I've been surfing geekhack for a while now but I just registered now that I have something to contribute. I bought the Naos 5000 about a month and a half ago and couldn't be happier. I think the weights are a little unnecessary but besides that it's perfect. check my review @ http://www.amazon.com/Mionix-Naos-Laser-Gaming-Mouse-Pc/dp/B003YJFV94/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1292002068&sr=1-1
Note: it's a little lower profile than the pictures may lead you to believe, possibly making wrist wrests awkward.

hopefully this helps

[turbocharged]

Nice review...I think I am sold...comfort is my #1 priority at this point after my pain inducing G9x.

[sunsmells]

yeah not a problem, glad it helped someone. My roommate traded in his G9X for an Xai, then traded that in for a G500, and thinks the Naos feels the best out of all of them too.
How much did you pick up your TG3 BL82 for? (also thinking about a deck)

[turbocharged]

yeah not a problem, glad it helped someone. My roommate traded in his G9X for an Xai, then traded that in for a G500, and thinks the Naos feels the best out of all of them too.
How much did you pick up your TG3 BL82 for? (also thinking about a deck)

Got it on ebay a couple of weeks ago for $30 shipped. The stems on the 'Print Screen' and 'C' keys were broken, so I had to replace them and now I'm starting to think the '8' and '0' key switches are worn out and will need to replace them. So call it $34 after replacing 4 switches.

Overall, I love it though and I got a fantastic deal.

[sunsmells]

holy wow that's a deal. I've gotta start keeping my eyes open.

[CodeChef]

Buyer beware, I've read many reviews saying that the Naos is extremely uncomfortable.

[sunsmells]

It may not be for everyone, but it's closer to the Ikari than anything else. I did a lot of research on the Naos before I bought it and found almost nothing bad about it. There aren't a lot of reviews on the mouse itself, kinda wondering where these host of reviews saying it's uncomfortable are on the internets exactly

[ch_123]

The Naos would get away looking like a tacky ripoff of the Ikari if it wasn't more expensive then the Ikari...

Steelseries mice are great, but they really need to stop being so expensive.

[sunsmells]

Steelseries mice are great

OP said Ikari broke AGAIN...

[fuzzybyte]

OP said Ikari broke AGAIN...

they are great, when they work.

[Moneyless]

Here is a review of the Mionix Naos 3200 from bit-tech.net, which from what I can see is the same mouse but with a lower DPI and no weights, right? (And one for the Naos 5000 as well)


They've named it their "best gaming mouse."

[nmd]

Buyer beware, I've read many reviews saying that the Naos is extremely uncomfortable.

Where? I seen the Naos at Fry's and remember seeing it when it was released on their site and was curious about it. After reading a plethora of reviews then and recently they all shared a common pro: most comfortable mouse they had used.

Not a fan of the price range or the S.Q.A.T. software with the 5000 model, iirc I read some of them when initially released "wobbled" but I've yet to read anything bad other than the price.

[sunsmells]

no wobbles on mine. the 3200 doesn't have the LED dpi indicator on the side; only scroll wheel and logo have lighting. Lower DPI on the 3200, no S.Q.A.T. analyzer (not necessary), no weights (also not necessary for me) and I BELIEVE only 1 profile to the mouse. Besides that they're the same mouse.

[CodeChef]

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/37713-mionix-naos-3200-high-performance-gaming-mouse-review.html

I'd trust these guys with any computer-related review. They've been good to me for years.

[Fishraper]

I've had a SS Xai and Logitech MX518, both are great mice, moved onto the Xai however because I love new and shiny things ^^ and it turns out to be amazing!!

[sunsmells]

Strange, that hardwarecanucks review is the first one I've seen saying it's uncomfortable. Again I recommended the 5000, not the 3200, as I don't have it.

[nmd]

I picked up the Mionix Naos 3200 tonight. I have no way of understanding how any person could say this mouse is uncomfortable. It isn't feasible. I call shenanigans.

The clicks are perfect, the clicks between steps on the mouse wheel is perfect. The LEDs aren't changeable like you may think, it's a misnomer for the 3200: you get red/blue/green and can assign them to 800/1600/3200 DPI - nothing in between which sucks because 1200 is generally perfect for me. The clicks are require less force than the Xai and most Logitechs, it's comparable to the Razer where they're very light which is what I prefer.

The shape is ****ing heavenly. The braided cord isn't stiff(which is why I generally hate them, this and the Razer Carcharias are the only non-stiff braided cords I've found.) The mouse feet are the thickest I've found on a mouse - hopefully meaning they'll last longer. They did scrub terribly on my SteelSeries 9HD at first but after 1-2 minutes it went away completely, smooth as butter now and completely silent.

The coating is better than the SteelSeries Xai which was previously my favorite. It's a smooth rubber coating similar to that which is found on the XArmor U9BL housing.

The software is much better than what Razer uses(of course), comparable to SteelSeries/Logitech in ease of use.

I can see why the Naos gets so many 5/5s and perfect reviews with the only con being price(the 5000 wasn't worth the additional $30 to me.)

I'm genuinely in awe. The only problem I'm having atm is when I pick up the mouse to "reset" it. I'm not used to a mouse this wide and with how smooth it is I have to grip a tad harder than I'm accustomed to with smaller mice, though I'm sure I'll get used to it. The pinky indenture isn't as pronounced as I believed it would be but that's a good thing - I prefer having my pinky touching the mouse pad slightly.

That's it. I'm sold. Never thought I'd say this...

The Mionix Naos 5000 is the best mouse ever, but for $30 less you can get the Mionix Naos 3200 with a couple things missing that I wouldn't really make use of(unless you can make the LEDs purple or pink of course ^.^)

Best. Mouse. Ever. This one goes to 11.

[msiegel]

The shape

Interestingly, the Naos' profile looks very similar to the Microsoft Intellimouse PS/2 ball mouse i'm using right now. ...Which is less comfortable for my palm but *more* comfortable for my finger joints than the taller MX 500 I had been using.

[nmd]

Dunno, I use palm grip and it feels perfect. I usually tend to go for smaller shaped mice too which this is by no means a small mouse imo.

[msiegel]

my hands are average size... but i can tell if they were smaller, palm grip would be more comfortable using this shape

[keyboardlover]

Dunno, I use palm grip and it feels perfect.

That's what she said.

[vld]

mx518...it will outlive you

[msiegel]

i've worn parts of an mx 500 smooth, and rubbed off a fair bit of the color. also, my scroll wheel has gone flaky turning downward. would a 518 be more durable?

[vld]

i've worn parts of an mx 500 smooth, and rubbed off a fair bit of the color. also, my scroll wheel has gone flaky turning downward. would a 518 be more durable?

not sure

mb this one then? since its mostly metal...

[turbocharged]

Nmd...I was already sold on the Naos, but that post is forcing me to place my order today...thanks.

[nmd]

Best Mouse Evah!

I got a drawer full of the things.  Commodities if you ask me.

It's not something I say lightly having tried too damned many mice and always finding an issue with them. If there's an issue with this mouse - I can't find it.

Other than not gripping it tight enough when I reposition it(which I've fixed, got accustomed to it being more narrow at the top and gripping tighter because of how smooth the rubber is) the only other thing is the buttons are seriously sensitive. I got used to the Xai requiring a lot of force to click, just moving the mouse I accidentally set off the right mouse button occasionally. I'm not used to a mouse requiring such light pressure to click, can't think of one really that's close in that regard. I can spam clicks roughly 3-4 times faster than the Xai because of it. Joy!

The left/right clicks are on a hair trigger. The mouse wheel(<3 defined steps when scrolling up and down) and back/forward buttons are exactly the same force required as the Xai, not too much and not too light - just right.

Stuff about mx518 durability.

The original DeathAdder, G5 and G9 I own have outlived every other mouse I've had, though obviously they haven't received much usage lately since I got my Xai months ago. I'm generally pretty good with keeping peripherals in good condition though.

I'd say any of Logitechs, gaming mice at least, would be durable. Generally pretty good customer service too. Bang for the buck the MX 518 is one of the better deals currently easily.

[WhiteRice]

Logitech has the best customer service. You just have to call them and read them the serial number on your product. If it is still under warranty they'll ship you a new one.

[msiegel]

thanks
it's from 2004 XD

[J888www]

I have to agree with all who recommended the MX518, ATM Amazon has it reduced to £16.99 Delivered FREE in the UK and I'm tempted even though I don't need another Mouse.

[turbocharged]

I bit the bullet and went with the high end....Just bought my Mionix Naos 5000 along with my gf's Garmin Nuvi 255W christmas present from Newegg. I can't wait to give it a go.

Anyone interested in a perfect condition Logitech G9x? PM me.

[Conditioned]

I just realized I´m a bit of a deathadder (3g only) fanboy. The reason is this. When you take in consideration 2007 esreality mousescore and http://www.overclock.net/mice/854100-ocn-mouse-sensor-reference-performance-sheet.html you realize that there are pretty much only 3 mice that are really good for gaming (something I took up again recently). Ie3.0, wmo 1.1a and the deathadder 3g. The first two are probably great if you play something at low res (800x600) but those extra dpi come in handy with greater res (I have 1900x1080 in bfbc2 here).

They dont have prediction, no pos/neg accel and work up to very high speeds without malfunctioning on all surfaces. Also lod is quite low. Ofc, this only matters if you are gaming a lot.

Btw nmd, wanna trade that old used deathadder for a zowie ec1 which has been used for 1 min that comes in the original box?