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Only issue I have ever had with a filco is alignment of the keys/switches. Even then only with cherry doubleshots I noticed it. I think the ping people are just whiners
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Honestly, don't even worry about ping.
I know Bulgaria from listening to Mira Aroyo in the band Ladytron. Shes a smoking hot Bulgarian.
That was KL and Redpill's view and I respect alternate viewpoints.
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Its been discussed a billion times, here and there, but mainly for mx browns, however, im curious if that issue is present on a Filco with Blacks, because Im planning on buying a Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry Black switches. I dont wanna start another troll thread or something, nor do i wanna start another war between The Keyboard Experts on here.. I just want some help. Thats all.
Some people recommended me to buy a CMstorm Quickfire Rapid as it was some sort of a clone of Filco, but Im used to being a perfectionist, and as one, I always look for the best possible. The latter part brings up another question as you can imagine, is Filco the best possible board you can buy as the majority of owners/addicts/people say? Does it have any other flaws except that ugly ping?
the other options were/are CM Storm Qckfire and SS 6Gv2, but as I said, I always go for the best. It is quite expensive for me though, the Filco, especially considering I live in Bulgaria(I'm sure none of you have ever heard of that country lol), BUT I'll save as much as I need to in order to buy it, unless it has other flaws which could lead to break the deal.
So help guys.
I still have nightmare about the ping. It also depends on the surface underneath your keyboard, room temperature , etc.
Perfectionism can lead you to God and enlightenment.'
By listening carefully to the ping sound, you can hear something that God of keyboard is trying to tell you about your future and the future of mankind.
I am all ears.
I know Bulgaria from listening to Mira Aroyo in the band Ladytron. Shes a smoking hot Bulgarian.
[video=youtube;2lk4EUzsC-g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lk4EUzsC-g[/video]
Perfectionism aside, I would think twice about dismissing the CMStorm QF so quickly since it is currently the cheapest TKL MX Blue keyboard I've been able to find. Get it out of your head that it's a "filco clone". Filco and the CMStorm QF (along with some other boards) share the same OEM, and thus share the same core components. With that said, I have yet to experience this "ping" and, to be honest, I'm not listening for it and it's not something I'm really concerned with because if Filco boards ping then other boards based on the same technology (Cherry MX Switch) will "ping".
The only moving part is the friggin' switch so it's the only thing I can think of that can cause this "ping". Unless, of course, someone has evidence that it's somehow a correlation of the MX Switch and the Filco logo that causes this "issue" to be isolated to Filco boards only...
Which view is that? 1) the only thing that can make noise is the switch 2) it's a combination of the swith and the logo
I'm not arguing the existence of the "ping" and, to tell you the truth, I haven't read too much into it, I'm just stating what makes sense to me. Which is: If Filco's have a "ping" then other boards will have a "ping".
BTW, I'm sure if I hit a key on my keyboard hard enough and if I really listen for it, I can cause one of the keys to emit a sound similar to a "ping". The switches have springs. Springs are metal. Metal vibrates. The vibration can be perceived by some as a "ping". Perception is choice.
A perfectionist is really just another term for being super-anal.
Filcos are far from perfect..
EVERY mx-key-switch will ping upon the rebound course of the key strike.
Some keys might ping worse than others.
You will not hear the ping on MX-blue-switches, because the click noise that occurs right before the rebound ping is much louder than the ping; thus your temporal lobe will usually fail to resolve a quiet noise immediately after a loud one.
----the same principal is used behind MP3 lossy encoding
----This is also why you more often hear pings on Brown/Black/Red switches, because they do not have the artificial blue-click to mask the ping noise.
----But, to be clear, the ping noise is prevalent on EVERY color-type switch,, and is Never limited to a isolate bad-switches on any given keyboard.
If you WANT to hear the ping,, Put your head really close to the board,, EVERY switch will ping on the rebound
It also depends on how quickly you release the switch
---if released quickly, the rebounding stem will achieve full momentum, generating a loud ping
---if released slowly, this will essentially reduce the impulse upon impact acting on the rebounding stem, THUS, reducing ping
Oh. The McRip Effect (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?23217-Announcing-the-LATEST-Ripster-Keyboard-Theorem-The-quot-McRip-Effect-quot-%21) is my personal opinion.
But there is always SOMEBODY on the InterToobs that disagrees with me.
My iPad is now DEFINITELY silent after going to settings>general>keyboard click.
Namaste.
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The whole world is now made of metal, but we dont hear all of that pinging and ringing.. I cannot understand this.
So after all what would you guys advise me to do? Buy a Filco after all, or buy a CM Storm QF? (and btw I dont understand why so many people told me that it is basically a Filco but with ugly branding on it)_
So after all what would you guys advise me to do? Buy a Filco after all, or buy a CM Storm QF? (and btw I dont understand why so many people told me that it is basically a Filco but with ugly branding on it)_
Its been discussed a billion times, here and there, but mainly for mx browns, however, im curious if that issue is present on a Filco with Blacks, because Im planning on buying a Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry Black switches. I dont wanna start another troll thread or something, nor do i wanna start another war between The Keyboard Experts on here.. I just want some help. Thats all.
Put all that metal in a position where it will, may, or could be struck by something and it'll ping...
They're manufactured by the same OEM. The difference comes in when they're finally assembled; case, caps, logos, etc.
If it's available with blacks where you're at and you can tolerate the over-branding then there's absolutely no reason not to get the CM Storm QF. It simply is the cheapest solution for a TKL.
Anything beyond that is personal preference.
Back in the day I watched the various youtube videos and other materials presented by those plagued by ping and I definitely heard it. My Filco doesn't ping in any way I've heard, however, so I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Filcos always ping. Some of the videos I saw were pretty bad, and I'd be annoyed by it too.
If you buy from somewhere like Amazon, you can always return it. If you buy from the GH classifieds you'll save a bunch of money and can probably sell it for what you paid for it.
This ping hysterisis is partly to blame for me having two keyboads.
What do you think happens when you have a metal plate with a metal spring and plastic key hitting it at a certain temperature or on a certain surface? PCB mounted switches shouldn't ping as a result.
The filco I had, the CM Storm and the Noppoo all PING to varying degrees mostly around the p[;' region BUT for most conditions you have to be really really close hitting the key really really hard. In a nutshell ping doesn't exist for someone typing like a normal person.
I can't make my quickfire ping today but I am not at home so my desk has changed as has the room temp etc.
Filco and CM differ by Logos, warranties and features (The camo matches features almost though) though I doubt anyone often needs to take filco up on a warranty request.
If the look doesn't bother you a CM storm quickfire is a really awesome keyboard but you will probably want to get a different set of keycaps sooner than you might for a filco due to the printing method used. The biggest problem with CM Storm is the region basing of the switches I can only get blues and blacks where I am.
I've read a few issues with steelseries boards, I am yet to spot one actual problem with the quickfire rapid and there are hardly any with Ficos.
In short ping shouldn't affect your choice. Style, switch and budget should. Personally won't ever bother with blacks switches effectively blues without tactility and more springyness...
http://www.overclock.net/t/1235745/the-infamous-filco-ping
I'm going to try the insulating foam trick on my old Filco to see if it gets rid of the ringing.
foam will be here tomorrow. i'll report back then. i wonder if this will make my keyboard not work...
Isn't this kinda like supergluing your butt in order to stop wasting money on toilet paper...
Lucifier that is highway robbery for that Filco
He doesn't have a choice if he wants a filco. Apparently, in Bulgaria, if it ain't Logitech, it's not worth selling. I know cuz I looked.
Sounds like you need to take a roadtrip to Taiwan, bro.
As someone who researhes to the ends of the earth to find answers to questions I may have about a particular product, I applaud you for not falling into the trap of becoming an impulse consumer.
I hope you and your Filco have a symbioticly happy relationship. BTW, resist all temptation to fall into the keycap frenzy. Filco caps serve their purposes VERY VERY well..
My iPad pings but it's just Email. And it and the keyboard sound are easy to turn off.
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?28875-Ripster-iPad-Input-Tricks
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Did you know back in the old days Senior Geekhackers used to talk about ping endlessly.
What ****ing nerds!
It's the PostPC era now.
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Your name is Lucifer. Fear no Guilt for without Dark there is no Light.
Namaste
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... for without Dark there is no Light
Well, I tried with Amazon but it said something similar to "It couldn't be sent to your adress" or I dont know.. My friend told me that.
So I should try with keyboardco. Just one thing,Show Image(http://6.imagebam.com/download/LoEUKD4K3qMLQrMe4xrzhA/18230/182294929/filcokeyboardco.PNG)
Is this price 140 pounds, is it a final price? Or there will be other expenses?
and what's best to select in Dispatch via?
Wait, how can TNT Economy Express cost more and take longer? I'd probably avoid Royal Fail, though :)
Might want to ask keyboardco directly about that.
As for import duty, since you're purchasing from another EU member state, I'd imagine that there won't be further charges above what keyboardco state on the page, but I can't say with any certainty.
Filco ping don't exist.
Doubly so for the MJ2.
AFAIK it was basically a smear campaign...
However, there is a worse issue, of an actual very audible ringing, which was reported by several users, nearly all from plate-mounted mx brown boards. It is not limited to Filco though, nor does it affect ALL plate mounted mx brown boards.
That's 100% not true. The ringing issue is very audible, even from afar, even with ambient noise. It's a completely different issue.
Trust me, I've heard the difference.
That's 100% not true. The ringing issue is very audible, even from afar, even with ambient noise. It's a completely different issue.
Trust me, I've heard the difference.
That's 100% not true. The ringing issue is very audible, even from afar, even with ambient noise. It's a completely different issue.
Trust me, I've heard the difference.
Well, from the little experience I had with this issue, whatever you call it ping or ringing, mine was VERY loud. I bottom out a lot, and I like it, so the keyboard already makes some noise, and this "extra vibrating/resonnating sound" was audible and not pleasant at all.
By the way, anyone know if the is a keycap thinkness difference between the filco ninja and the filco camo?
That's 100% not true. The ringing issue is very audible, even from afar, even with ambient noise. It's a completely different issue.
Trust me, I've heard the difference.
Well, from the little experience I had with this issue, whatever you call it ping or ringing, mine was VERY loud. I bottom out a lot, and I like it, so the keyboard already makes some noise, and this "extra vibrating/resonnating sound" was audible and not pleasant at all.
By the way, anyone know if the is a keycap thinkness difference between the filco ninja and the filco camo?
you're saying the Plate makes a noise? How hard are you hitting this thing. put mouse pad under it, does it make the same sound.
Ping occurs both when you strike the key, and on release. It's more noticeable on release, and I think it's maybe 20% louder on release, but the ping is there in both directions.
That's 100% not true. The ringing issue is very audible, even from afar, even with ambient noise. It's a completely different issue.
Trust me, I've heard the difference.
delusional.....
Unless you can come up with a doctors note that PROVES you were bitten by a gamma radiation mutated bat.
However, there is a worse issue, of an actual very audible ringing, which was reported by several users, nearly all from plate-mounted mx brown boards. It is not limited to Filco though, nor does it affect ALL plate mounted mx brown boards.I have pinging red and blue switches too. Even PCB mount.
Filco ping don't exist.
Doubly so for the MJ2.
AFAIK it was basically a smear campaign...
THE PING exists.. It is heard on the UPSTROKE of the key. When the key returns to default position, it knocks against the top housing, vibrating the center spring, CAUSING PING..
Press down ANY cherry mx switch put your ears next to it, and LET GO upwards, AS FAST AS YOU CAN, you will hear the definitive PINGGGGG.....
NOW, under normal circumstances with PC noise, and other ambiances, the ping noice is very subtle and can only be heard with ears RIGHT NEXT to the key..
EVERY KEY PINGS,, it is not isolated to any keyboard, or burnt switch.
That is just great.
Bought a Filco TKL MX Brown from NCIX.ca.
The whole thing pings. :( It is especially obvious when I am done typing something. I can hear the "duuunnn".
Typing on the arrow keys is even worst.
What a piece of junk.
Do you think NCIX would take it back as defective or do I have to try to fix it myself?
So pissed....
That is just great.
Bought a Filco TKL MX Brown from NCIX.ca.
The whole thing pings. :( It is especially obvious when I am done typing something. I can hear the "duuunnn".
Typing on the arrow keys is even worst.
What a piece of junk.
Do you think NCIX would take it back as defective or do I have to try to fix it myself?
So pissed....
I put shelf liner underneath the pcb. made it really solid and removed the ping.
Quote from: dante;559668I know Bulgaria from listening to Mira Aroyo in the band Ladytron. Shes a smoking hot Bulgarian.
She also has a PhD in molecular genetics from Oxford.
That is just great.
Bought a Filco TKL MX Brown from NCIX.ca.
The whole thing pings. :( It is especially obvious when I am done typing something. I can hear the "duuunnn".
Typing on the arrow keys is even worst.
What a piece of junk.
Do you think NCIX would take it back as defective or do I have to try to fix it myself?
So pissed....
I put shelf liner underneath the pcb. made it really solid and removed the ping.
Thanks for that tip.
I watched a video that explains how to open the keyboard and reach under the PCB. There is a sticker over the middle screw located under the keyboard. It is written "DO NOT REMOVE", but not "WARRANTY VOID IF REMOVED".
I fear if I remove that sticker and start trying to apply shelf liner that the warranty will then be nulled and I won't be able to return it to NCIX.ca.
But... on the other hand, would NCIX.ca consider pinging of the keyboard as a defect?
Do I have better than normal hearing or am I just being (once again) unlucky with my purchase? The pinging is not subtle at all IMO.
That is just great.
Bought a Filco TKL MX Brown from NCIX.ca.
The whole thing pings. :( It is especially obvious when I am done typing something. I can hear the "duuunnn".
Typing on the arrow keys is even worst.
What a piece of junk.
Do you think NCIX would take it back as defective or do I have to try to fix it myself?
So pissed....
I put shelf liner underneath the pcb. made it really solid and removed the ping.
Thanks for that tip.
I watched a video that explains how to open the keyboard and reach under the PCB. There is a sticker over the middle screw located under the keyboard. It is written "DO NOT REMOVE", but not "WARRANTY VOID IF REMOVED".
I fear if I remove that sticker and start trying to apply shelf liner that the warranty will then be nulled and I won't be able to return it to NCIX.ca.
But... on the other hand, would NCIX.ca consider pinging of the keyboard as a defect?
Do I have better than normal hearing or am I just being (once again) unlucky with my purchase? The pinging is not subtle at all IMO.
I don't think so, i honestly think it's just a con of owning some filcos. Honestly man, open that sucker up and put the shelf liner in. My keyboard feels like a dream now, and it feels like it's worth so much more than what I paid.
I installed a shelf liner under the PCB. It didn't change a thing. My keyboard still pings as much as before.
Any other idea?
Thanks.
Kevin may I ask what kind of shelf liner you used? Googling brings up many shelf liner products and they don't seem to be always the same kind of material.That is just great.
Bought a Filco TKL MX Brown from NCIX.ca.
The whole thing pings. :( It is especially obvious when I am done typing something. I can hear the "duuunnn".
Typing on the arrow keys is even worst.
What a piece of junk.
Do you think NCIX would take it back as defective or do I have to try to fix it myself?
So pissed....
I put shelf liner underneath the pcb. made it really solid and removed the ping.
Thanks for that tip.
I watched a video that explains how to open the keyboard and reach under the PCB. There is a sticker over the middle screw located under the keyboard. It is written "DO NOT REMOVE", but not "WARRANTY VOID IF REMOVED".
I fear if I remove that sticker and start trying to apply shelf liner that the warranty will then be nulled and I won't be able to return it to NCIX.ca.
But... on the other hand, would NCIX.ca consider pinging of the keyboard as a defect?
Do I have better than normal hearing or am I just being (once again) unlucky with my purchase? The pinging is not subtle at all IMO.
I don't think so, i honestly think it's just a con of owning some filcos. Honestly man, open that sucker up and put the shelf liner in. My keyboard feels like a dream now, and it feels like it's worth so much more than what I paid.
Kevin may I ask what kind of shelf liner you used? Googling brings up many shelf liner products and they don't seem to be always the same kind of material.That is just great.
Bought a Filco TKL MX Brown from NCIX.ca.
The whole thing pings. :( It is especially obvious when I am done typing something. I can hear the "duuunnn".
Typing on the arrow keys is even worst.
What a piece of junk.
Do you think NCIX would take it back as defective or do I have to try to fix it myself?
So pissed....
I put shelf liner underneath the pcb. made it really solid and removed the ping.
Thanks for that tip.
I watched a video that explains how to open the keyboard and reach under the PCB. There is a sticker over the middle screw located under the keyboard. It is written "DO NOT REMOVE", but not "WARRANTY VOID IF REMOVED".
I fear if I remove that sticker and start trying to apply shelf liner that the warranty will then be nulled and I won't be able to return it to NCIX.ca.
But... on the other hand, would NCIX.ca consider pinging of the keyboard as a defect?
Do I have better than normal hearing or am I just being (once again) unlucky with my purchase? The pinging is not subtle at all IMO.
I don't think so, i honestly think it's just a con of owning some filcos. Honestly man, open that sucker up and put the shelf liner in. My keyboard feels like a dream now, and it feels like it's worth so much more than what I paid.
Filco ping don't exist.
Doubly so for the MJ2.
AFAIK it was basically a smear campaign...
THE PING exists.. It is heard on the UPSTROKE of the key. When the key returns to default position, it knocks against the top housing, vibrating the center spring, CAUSING PING..
Press down ANY cherry mx switch put your ears next to it, and LET GO upwards, AS FAST AS YOU CAN, you will hear the definitive PINGGGGG.....
NOW, under normal circumstances with PC noise, and other ambiances, the ping noice is very subtle and can only be heard with ears RIGHT NEXT to the key..
EVERY KEY PINGS,, it is not isolated to any keyboard, or burnt switch.