Post by: oldcat on Wed, 08 August 2018, 08:28:48
We are happy to present to you Doro67, an integrated plate 65% customized keyboard set.
Doro67's look is inspired by RAMA's M65A. The purpose of this design to build an aesthetically simplistic everyday workhorse keyboard. To achieve consistent keypress feedback, Doro67 adopts an integrated plate that is 4mm thick, which is compatible with a few layouts. In order to achieve a comfortable typing experience with high-profile keycaps such as the SA caps, Doro67 applies a lower keyboard profile (height) than a majority of the keyboards on the market. Further, to keep a stable connection, the USB connector will use a separate sub-board from the PCB.
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One key design feature of this keyboard is the 4mm integrated plate.
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Features:
1. 6061 Aluminum Case
2. 4mm Integrated Plate, 4 Layouts
3. QMK PCB, with options for RGB LED PCB or Regular (Compatible) PCB
4. 8 degrees slope
5. USB-C (C2C) connector (cord not included)
6. 4 rubber feet included
7. Logo Engraving on the Bottom
8. Customized keyboard box
9. Designed by 80ULTRAMAN from the BackProp Studio (Gghi on Geekhack)
10. Manufactured by ALF
We will provide the standard 9 colors, identical to the ALF DC60 GB, with the option to upgrade to the Pearl White with an additional cost. Please see below.
Update on colors: an additional titanium grey color option will be added. So we have a total of 10+1 colors.
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Progress:
Currently, the prototype PCB has been fully tested, the prototype case is with the manufacturer.
8/9/2018: CNC Prototype finished, waiting for anodization.
8/14/2018: Prototype finished. Test completed. Minor modifications will be made.
8/16/2018: A couple of updates
a. Modifications sent to manufacturer, additional prototype may be made.
b. The main design will stay the same. We will provide a few option for customizations (e.g., split backspace/space/shift/iso, for a small customization fee for those who need it). Customization is very costly, and we will try to provide all options we are able to negotiate.
c. Bottom slab is 3mm thick, for those who want to know.
9/2/2018: A couple of updates
a. 80ultraman confirmed that he will make 2 versions of PCBs. Default layout buyers will have the option to upgrade to an RGB PCB at a small fee (details forthcoming).
b. We are expecting the shipment of two second prototypes (white/black) on Tuesday!
9/4/2018:
Prototype (1 black, 1 white) finished, shipped to our tester, we will come back with updates very shortly!
9/5/2018:
Prototype (1 black, 1 white) received and images updated. GB coming!
To-do list：
1. Test the compatibility of PCB and the case
2. Optimize the USB connector case holes and the details of the case
3. Make a deal with the manufacturer (ALF) and set final pricing (estimated under ~$250 with a set of Case and PCB)
4. Run Group Buy!
More Prototype Images:
Doro with SA Compared with SKOG with GMK
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If you are interested, please fill out the Google Form: https://goo.gl/forms/3Q2iymRy2zi0uY5L2
Here is the Google IC form for the brass bottom slab and logo options: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1NiV8q4Gwtdp_m5aCPQ_iM__QH3FbCYZGiID5pmqjiH8
Join ALF Discord to discuss DC60, Doro67, UniGo66, and more: https://discord.gg/NHYnp8g
Post by: Macflag on Wed, 08 August 2018, 08:36:28
Post by: Gghi on Wed, 08 August 2018, 08:48:36
I will declare some details and compromises here, you can skip this if you are not interested.
Layout:
I know a lot of you guys hate those "compatible plates", which full of holes make switches unstable. It is also important to me, I wanna the plate has a minimal cut, make it clean and steady. As other layouts, since this is an integrated plate keyboard, fully customization will probably end up 10+ different version of the top case. That is not affordable.
So, we decide to provide 4 top case versions:
1. Default
2. Blocker Compatible +$20
3. ISO +$20
4. Non-block Compatible +$20
The following picture shows the compatibility of each version and the cutout of the plate.
(https://imgur.com/tItiB78.jpg)
I realize this can't make everyone happy, but it is the best we can do.
PCB:
After receiving some request for back-lighting, I added an in-switch RGB PCB cost extra $15. The RGB version only supports default layout. You can only choose Multi-compatible PCB if you prefer other layouts.
Both of the PCBs compatible with QMK firmware
Both of them are matte black with gold solder mask
Bottom option:
Sorry for the delay of the brass sample, but we still offer that option. you can either upgrade to the brass bottom slab for extra $50 or have an addition brass bottom for $70. Here are some samples of other brass hardware.
(https://imgur.com/sbiZqYb.jpg)
(https://imgur.com/6JpLQNh.jpg)
Logo option:
(https://imgur.com/4Fbm0r2.jpg)
The bottom IC shows that quite a few like the logo but seem to hate the text. I think it's weird simply remove the text. I decide to keep the logo as a default, if you hate it so much you can choose to not have it.
Box
The keyboard will come with a box. Here's a leak:
(https://imgur.com/11G6DWZ.jpg)
Rubber feet
The rubber feet will change to following in the final product. I will give some extra both black and grey.
(https://imgur.com/LHg5oPc.jpg)
Gap
The Gap between caps and the top case will be smaller in the final product.
(https://imgur.com/YhEp3G0.jpg)
Size: 335 × 127 × 33mm
Weight: 1.4kg / 3.1lb default alu case including PCB, switches and SA caps.
front height: 17mm (switches sit 2mm lower)
(https://imgur.com/ktzYRQz.jpg)
I put a lot effort to lower the overall height of this keyboard, make it lower than most custom and mass production keyboards. You can see from the picture, Doro with SA caps has the same height as Skog with GMK. I think this will give you a better experience if you prefer high-profile caps.
Post by: Dovan1405 on Wed, 08 August 2018, 08:56:20
would love to know how an integrated plate will feel like to type on and how it sounds as well.
Is there a reason why you decided to integrate the plate with the case?
Post by: wixxzblu on Wed, 08 August 2018, 08:58:11
Also, split backspace support and the plate could be 4.5mm even! :thumb:
Post by: Gghi on Wed, 08 August 2018, 09:04:43
looks really great cant wait for protos of it :D
would love to know how an integrated plate will feel like to type on and how it sounds as well.
Is there a reason why you decided to integrate the plate with the case?
I think most customized keyboards not as good as massive products because of the plate. So I wanna make a thicker, consistent plate.
Post by: ilouis_07 on Wed, 08 August 2018, 09:06:45
Post by: Dovan1405 on Wed, 08 August 2018, 09:07:25
looks really great cant wait for protos of it :D
would love to know how an integrated plate will feel like to type on and how it sounds as well.
Is there a reason why you decided to integrate the plate with the case?
I think most customized keyboards not as good as massive products because of the plate. So I wanna make a thicker, consistent plate.
will you give us some feedback when you get the proto on the difference with integrated plate? like the sounds and typing experience?
Post by: SolidCactus on Wed, 08 August 2018, 09:07:53
USB C and QMK good choices!
Post by: Gghi on Wed, 08 August 2018, 09:13:33
I love it, but i would like for it to have a rounded chamfer to differentiate it from the M65 more.
Also, split backspace support and the plate could be 4.5mm even! :thumb:
Yes, I am a big fan of RAMA WORKS, especially M65. I didn't think much of the chamfer, will do.
Post by: Gghi on Wed, 08 August 2018, 09:28:15
looks really great cant wait for protos of it :D
would love to know how an integrated plate will feel like to type on and how it sounds as well.
Is there a reason why you decided to integrate the plate with the case?
I think most customized keyboards not as good as massive products because of the plate. So I wanna make a thicker, consistent plate.
will you give us some feedback when you get the proto on the difference with integrated plate? like the sounds and typing experience?
Yes, sure thing.
Post by: scottwei on Wed, 08 August 2018, 09:48:39
Post by: papa on Wed, 08 August 2018, 10:35:10
Post by: otanishock on Wed, 08 August 2018, 12:05:41
PLEASE STOP COPY AGAIN !! WE NEED NEW DESIGN !!NOT THIS COPY **** !!
That is not even remotely constructive. Also this design just takes inspiration from the RAMA-65 from which I can clearly tell the difference.
Post by: glubazoid on Wed, 08 August 2018, 12:41:03
Post by: Mekuno on Wed, 08 August 2018, 12:45:19
PLEASE STOP COPY AGAIN !! WE NEED NEW DESIGN !!NOT THIS COPY **** !!
someone looks like they need a time out.
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 08 August 2018, 13:08:27
Since caps would sit lower, how would the side profile look with Cherry caps?
I’m curious too :) I use GMK keycaps primarily. Will get 80ultraman to comment on this, maybe some new renders.
Post by: Macflag on Wed, 08 August 2018, 13:14:26
SA as well please!Since caps would sit lower, how would the side profile look with Cherry caps?
I’m curious too :) I use GMK keycaps primarily. Will get 80ultraman to comment on this, maybe some new renders.
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Post by: DasGnome on Wed, 08 August 2018, 14:00:05
PLEASE STOP COPY AGAIN !! WE NEED NEW DESIGN !!NOT THIS COPY **** !!
That is not even remotely constructive. Also this design just takes inspiration from the RAMA-65 from which I can clearly tell the difference.
I dunno, man. The top bezel is pretty spot on besides the blocker:
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=96935.0;attach=201531;image)
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/563c788ae4b099120ae219e2/t/582a9dffe4fcb54bebf92d5f/1479187990994/?)
And the side profile:
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/563c788ae4b099120ae219e2/t/582a8d8937c581a12d7d52ed/1479183766902/?format=500w)
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=96935.0;attach=201529;image)
Is the difference in construction enough to constitute this as a new design? Given how many other cases look similar, it seems fine to me, but I would also like to see more play in the overall design.
Post by: Gghi on Wed, 08 August 2018, 14:50:01
PLEASE STOP COPY AGAIN !! WE NEED NEW DESIGN !!NOT THIS COPY **** !!
As I said before, I am personally a big fan of RAMA WORKS, and this board did take inspiration from M65A. I mainly focused on the construction of the keyboard. I believe looks aren't everything.
Post by: Gghi on Wed, 08 August 2018, 14:55:01
Since caps would sit lower, how would the side profile look with Cherry caps?
Yes, the distance between plate and top of the case will be a little bit large(8mm). I will carefully make sure it looks good for both SA and Cherry caps (will update compare pics when I receive prototype).
Post by: Gghi on Wed, 08 August 2018, 15:02:47
SA as well please!Since caps would sit lower, how would the side profile look with Cherry caps?
I’m curious too :) I use GMK keycaps primarily. Will get 80ultraman to comment on this, maybe some new renders.
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sure thing. I am a big fan of SA profile. :)
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 08 August 2018, 15:54:34
SA as well please!Since caps would sit lower, how would the side profile look with Cherry caps?
I’m curious too :) I use GMK keycaps primarily. Will get 80ultraman to comment on this, maybe some new renders.
MT3 will look great on this board too. I agree with many that since GMK is the go-to choice for most people, it will be great to consider the cherry profile keycaps in this design carefully.
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sure thing. I am a big fan of SA profile. :)
Post by: eyedrop on Wed, 08 August 2018, 15:55:40
Post by: Gghi on Wed, 08 August 2018, 16:00:23
Is it possible with split backspace?it is possible. I thought it wasn't necessary since it already one column more. If that got enough interest, I will split it.
Post by: Rubbermilitia on Wed, 08 August 2018, 16:13:08
Post by: Lyle88 on Wed, 08 August 2018, 16:53:17
PLEASE STOP COPY AGAIN !! WE NEED NEW DESIGN !!NOT THIS COPY **** !!Papa has a point. However, if this is priced more reasonably than the m65 then I will be interested.
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Post by: azulyf on Wed, 08 August 2018, 17:34:45
Post by: breckstar on Wed, 08 August 2018, 18:43:11
Post by: chuckdee on Wed, 08 August 2018, 19:29:13
Post by: Gghi on Wed, 08 August 2018, 19:35:48
So, I take it looking at that plate there are no alternate layouts, i.e. split backspace, split space, split shift?I will probably add more compatibility.
Post by: chuckdee on Wed, 08 August 2018, 20:02:30
So, I take it looking at that plate there are no alternate layouts, i.e. split backspace, split space, split shift?I will probably add more compatibility.
I'll keep an eye out. Thanks for the reply!
Post by: moui on Wed, 08 August 2018, 20:15:25
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 08 August 2018, 20:27:51
Ever thought about lowering the angle and making it less tall like you say in the OP? It looks nearly identical as the M65 angle, height, and bezel wise. The M65 height and angle, more so the angle imo, are terrible for SA profile (like you state in OP as well).
The keyboard is lower than a majority of keyboards actually, but there is a larger gap between the plate and the case top, such that high-profile caps will work quite well with it.
Post by: trabbit on Wed, 08 August 2018, 20:56:01
Post by: York Chan on Wed, 08 August 2018, 21:12:06
Post by: zumu on Wed, 08 August 2018, 22:35:41
I'm going to have to +1 that split backspace request tho.
If that happens... I am definitely in.
Post by: Midori on Thu, 09 August 2018, 02:17:34
Post by: Water lee on Thu, 09 August 2018, 08:18:16
I thought the M65-B was being run through Rama...Good design :thumb:
Post by: senter on Thu, 09 August 2018, 13:01:09
How about Kailh-style hot swappable PCB?
Post by: _ODIN_ on Thu, 09 August 2018, 13:42:46
Post by: Gghi on Thu, 09 August 2018, 14:25:35
The render looks better than I thought.
How about Kailh-style hot swappable PCB?
Thanks!
Probably not hot swappable. I wanna make it simple, just for typing.
Post by: Gghi on Thu, 09 August 2018, 14:28:27
What about an ISO plate?
Thanks for the advice!
got quite feedback about layout compatibility, I think I will find a way both support more layouts and keep plate holeless.
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 09 August 2018, 20:08:55
The render looks better than I thought.
How about Kailh-style hot swappable PCB?
hot swappable seems a great idea since it will be easier to change PCBs and switches. But this will require a different design to fix the pcb (maybe mount to top case)
Post by: Kerasan on Fri, 10 August 2018, 07:26:04
The render looks better than I thought.
How about Kailh-style hot swappable PCB?
I agree too
on this keyboard it would make sense imho :thumb:
KMK Labs.
Post by: ramblinrose on Fri, 10 August 2018, 07:58:02
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 10 August 2018, 09:10:12
Looks good! I like how the caps will sit lower.
Updated CNC sample!
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Post by: senter on Fri, 10 August 2018, 13:24:19
Looks good! I like how the caps will sit lower.
Updated CNC sample!
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Looks great. Can't wait to see the anodized one.
Post by: bobdenard on Fri, 10 August 2018, 13:29:26
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Post by: Marutks on Fri, 10 August 2018, 14:54:39
Don't they have different colors? Dark blue, dark grey, for example, would look much better.
Post by: switchnollie on Fri, 10 August 2018, 16:53:09
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 10 August 2018, 19:37:39
split backspace please !
Don't they have different colors? Dark blue, dark grey, for example, would look much better.
Sapphire blue and sky blue are available. There is also titanium gray (not a dark gray though)
Post by: Gghi on Fri, 10 August 2018, 19:44:48
split backspace please !
Don't they have different colors? Dark blue, dark grey, for example, would look much better.
thanks, will split backspace. these 10 colors are all we have :(
Post by: Kerasan on Sat, 11 August 2018, 06:34:28
split backspace please !
Don't they have different colors? Dark blue, dark grey, for example, would look much better.
thanks, will split backspace. these 10 colors are all we have :(
are there any examples of color 2 and 7?
KMK Labs.
Post by: KaosJ on Sat, 11 August 2018, 07:01:25
Just add a nice weight PVD brass or stainless steel or even better a full base made of brass (the design makes possible to add a full flat base without killing the price).
About the layout, i would go for the standard ANSI for a 65%, by adding layouts asked from people, you are going to add holes in the keyboard, which is not cool due the thick plate design.
That purple is always the top. You got me in for 1 or 2 keyboards.
Please:
- Keep the BLOCKER please, not of a fan usually but it looks very good for the arrows
- Please a real high profile, fully covered keycaps by the case, if there are no holes between case and keycaps it looks a lot better :)
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 11 August 2018, 15:50:32
Perfect. I don't care that's a copy, seems perfect for me, perfect layout, perfect design (rama design), a cool BLOCKER and thick plate.
Just add a nice weight PVD brass or stainless steel or even better a full base made of brass (the design makes possible to add a full flat base without killing the price).
About the layout, i would go for the standard ANSI for a 65%, by adding layouts asked from people, you are going to add holes in the keyboard, which is not cool due the thick plate design.
That purple is always the top. You got me in for 1 or 2 keyboards.
Please:
- Keep the BLOCKER please, not of a fan usually but it looks very good for the arrows
- Please a real high profile, fully covered keycaps by the case, if there are no holes between case and keycaps it looks a lot better :)
Looks like it is unlikely there will be a brass weight this time. The case will be heavy enough...
Post by: Poesjuh on Sat, 11 August 2018, 18:12:55
Without blocker > couldn’t care less :P
Yeah I love my blockers
as long as they’re part of the case, not a separate one.Any idea what the white one would cost more? $50 ? Or more? Or less?
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Post by: oldcat on Sat, 11 August 2018, 18:51:46
With blocker > would potentially buy
Without blocker > couldn’t care less :P
Yeah I love my blockers
Any idea what the white one would cost more? $50 ? Or more? Or less?
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Yes somewhere around 50. We will try our best to make it a value buy!
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 13 August 2018, 02:30:30
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Post by: pp on Mon, 13 August 2018, 02:47:25
Thank you for your efforts so that we can see such a good product
Post by: kokoon on Mon, 13 August 2018, 04:26:14
In any case, this looks like it'll be my first 65, please do an EU proxy!
Post by: Kerasan on Mon, 13 August 2018, 06:27:23
CNC complete waiting to be anodized
(Attachment Link)
mmmhhh the edges seem thin ...
KMK Labs.
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 13 August 2018, 10:12:21
So did you decide on the final details for the bezels? How big? Chamfer vs fillet? This prototype still has the smaller bezels, right?
In any case, this looks like it'll be my first 65, please do an EU proxy!
Hello, final details have not been settled. 80ultraman is working hard to have the prototype board and PCB tested.
Re. Proxy, unfortunately, we won't have an EU proxy, everything will be shipped from China.
Post by: Poesjuh on Mon, 13 August 2018, 10:39:49
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Post by: tunadesu on Mon, 13 August 2018, 17:07:59
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 13 August 2018, 18:40:28
Are you creative with the value at the package?
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Hey what do you mean?
Post by: catamscott on Mon, 13 August 2018, 20:33:02
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 13 August 2018, 23:16:10
Post by: slxdegrees on Mon, 13 August 2018, 23:33:04
Are you creative with the value at the package?
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Hey what do you mean?
i.e. is it a 'gift' with a value of $50? Hahaha probably to avoid more taxes
Post by: PotatoTM on Tue, 14 August 2018, 00:40:55
Post by: Wilba on Tue, 14 August 2018, 02:57:41
Post by: Poesjuh on Tue, 14 August 2018, 03:46:02
No, gift with value of $20 :P Heck, depending on the shipping that would possibly still wreck me in customsAre you creative with the value at the package?
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Hey what do you mean?
i.e. is it a 'gift' with a value of $50? Hahaha probably to avoid more taxes
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Post by: oldcat on Wed, 15 August 2018, 00:00:04
No, gift with value of $20 :P Heck, depending on the shipping that would possibly still wreck me in customsAre you creative with the value at the package?
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Hey what do you mean?
i.e. is it a 'gift' with a value of $50? Hahaha probably to avoid more taxes
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We will find out as we move to the GB stage!
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 15 August 2018, 21:39:58
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Post by: Gghi on Wed, 15 August 2018, 21:41:16
Prototype - Everest white version
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Thanks, dude, I am about to update this pic ;)
Post by: meliewx on Thu, 16 August 2018, 06:31:53
I'd LOVE the option for ISO <3
Post by: bard on Thu, 16 August 2018, 08:36:29
Post by: Gghi on Thu, 16 August 2018, 10:42:18
I would love to join, but no ISO means it's a no go for me :(
I'd LOVE the option for ISO <3
I understand, I just dont wanna cut the plate too much. Will add an additional ISO layout if got enough request.
Post by: anon23 on Thu, 16 August 2018, 11:04:04
Anyway, I love the design and hope to see some more photos of that prototype you got as well.
Cheers.
Post by: Gghi on Thu, 16 August 2018, 12:09:56
I hope you'll keep the plate design as is. It's not often we see a clean ANSI plate that is not full of holes everywhere for compatibility.
Anyway, I love the design and hope to see some more photos of that prototype you got as well.
Cheers.
definitely, I want the plate just the way it is, may be compatible with stem caps. I d rather make another case for compatibility say ISO or split space.
Post by: Gghi on Thu, 16 August 2018, 12:10:34
can we get more photos of the Everest with a bit darker background?
sure, I will update some pics later.
Post by: duckysh on Thu, 16 August 2018, 13:17:43
Post by: Auslander on Thu, 16 August 2018, 14:34:13
ISO support pls
Post by: Marutks on Thu, 16 August 2018, 16:48:05
option to upgrade to the Everest White with an additional cost.
Is it cerakoted?
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 16 August 2018, 20:36:13
option to upgrade to the Everest White with an additional cost.
Is it cerakoted?
Powder coated
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 17 August 2018, 09:40:37
Base price for the set will remain under $250 based on current discussion with manufacturer.
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 17 August 2018, 09:42:43
option to upgrade to the Everest White with an additional cost.
Is it cerakoted?
Powder coated
Actually it’s not. It’s a proprietary technology we cannot disclose. According to our manufacturer, it’s more smoother than MAO, cerakoting or power coating.
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 17 August 2018, 09:44:30
Nice
ISO support pls
The base layout and cuts won’t change as most people requested that
Customization of iso, splits will be offered at an additional cost (~20 estimated).
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 17 August 2018, 10:53:04
option to upgrade to the Everest White with an additional cost.
Is it cerakoted?
Powder coated
Actually it’s not. It’s a proprietary technology we cannot disclose. According to our manufacturer, it’s more smoother than MAO, cerakoting or power coating.
ah, cool. I'm guessing it's something like the "e-coating" on the new ALF board then. I like it. I'll most likely join this GB.
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 17 August 2018, 10:56:40
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Post by: eyedrop on Fri, 17 August 2018, 11:38:35
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 17 August 2018, 14:10:58
Any pic of what the bottom of the board looks like?
an alu slab with screws at bottom
Post by: _ODIN_ on Fri, 17 August 2018, 14:40:22
Post by: Gghi on Fri, 17 August 2018, 15:49:55
Will the final product support iso?
It may cost a little extra ($20) to get a single ISO support plate.
Post by: _ODIN_ on Fri, 17 August 2018, 15:52:19
Would be ok. Single layout support plate is better anywaysWill the final product support iso?
It may cost a little extra ($20) to get a single ISO support plate.
Post by: Gghi on Fri, 17 August 2018, 16:18:41
Would be ok. Single layout support plate is better anywaysWill the final product support iso?
It may cost a little extra ($20) to get a single ISO support plate.
Yes, dont wanna cut plate too much.
Post by: kokoon on Sat, 18 August 2018, 02:22:59
Could you offer optional brass slab?Any pic of what the bottom of the board looks like?
an alu slab with screws at bottom
Post by: cjt9000 on Sat, 18 August 2018, 08:02:37
Post by: stoic-lemon on Sat, 18 August 2018, 10:29:15
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 18 August 2018, 12:16:44
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Post by: Gghi on Sat, 18 August 2018, 12:22:39
More details for how the backside looks like. The bottom slab is 3mm thick if you are curious.
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:) There is still some space at the bottom. Will lower the case in the final prototype.
Post by: Kerasan on Sat, 18 August 2018, 12:26:55
KMK Labs.
Post by: Gghi on Sat, 18 August 2018, 17:46:45
it's thin indeed a brass option would be nice
KMK Labs.
will be a brass option if got enough interest.
the 3mm bottom is thin but the rubber and screws areas are supported by the top case. it shouldn't be a problem. :)
Post by: bard on Sat, 18 August 2018, 22:57:59
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 18 August 2018, 23:36:16
btw is it compatible with other 65% PCBs (like m65/tada)?
unfortunately no. The customized pcb is included in pricing.
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 19 August 2018, 15:32:44
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Post by: bthezebra on Sun, 19 August 2018, 15:46:44
Keycaps will be lower than normal keebs to avoid making switches visible.Just curious possible alps pcb for this buy?
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Post by: Gghi on Sun, 19 August 2018, 17:12:37
Keycaps will be lower than normal keebs to avoid making switches visible.Just curious possible alps pcb for this buy?
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Not familiar with alps switches (never use them), will not support alps.
Post by: bthezebra on Sun, 19 August 2018, 18:39:18
No worries and thank you for the quick response.Keycaps will be lower than normal keebs to avoid making switches visible.Just curious possible alps pcb for this buy?
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Not familiar with alps switches (never use them), will not support alps.
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 19 August 2018, 21:05:38
No worries and thank you for the quick response.Keycaps will be lower than normal keebs to avoid making switches visible.Just curious possible alps pcb for this buy?
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Not familiar with alps switches (never use them), will not support alps.
Lunar seems a good board for your preference :)
Post by: bthezebra on Sun, 19 August 2018, 21:17:52
I am definitely watching that thread anticipating the GB, was just curious on this one for the more ideal bottom row layout with blocker. Either way I am sure this buy will have no issue finding many buyers.No worries and thank you for the quick response.Keycaps will be lower than normal keebs to avoid making switches visible.Just curious possible alps pcb for this buy?
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Not familiar with alps switches (never use them), will not support alps.
Lunar seems a good board for your preference :)
Post by: stoic-lemon on Mon, 20 August 2018, 02:52:41
Post by: meliewx on Mon, 20 August 2018, 04:24:43
Would be ok. Single layout support plate is better anywaysWill the final product support iso?
It may cost a little extra ($20) to get a single ISO support plate.
Yes, dont wanna cut plate too much.
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Post by: Darknight00z on Mon, 20 August 2018, 10:13:21
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 20 August 2018, 13:42:29
Brass weight?
There will not be a brass weight. An optional brass bottom slab add-on may be available if there is enough interest.
Post by: kokoon on Mon, 20 August 2018, 14:11:33
This is me expressing interest.Brass weight?
There will not be a brass weight. An optional brass bottom slab add-on may be available if there is enough interest.
Post by: Kerasan on Tue, 21 August 2018, 01:28:51
Brass weight?
There will not be a brass weight. An optional brass bottom slab add-on may be available if there is enough interest.
GREAT! :thumb:
KMK Labs.
Post by: Fatboychard on Tue, 21 August 2018, 05:40:48
Brass weight?
There will not be a brass weight. An optional brass bottom slab add-on may be available if there is enough interest.
Yes please!
Post by: _ODIN_ on Tue, 21 August 2018, 08:05:26
+1Brass weight?
There will not be a brass weight. An optional brass bottom slab add-on may be available if there is enough interest.
Yes please!
Post by: Gghi on Tue, 21 August 2018, 13:10:18
Post by: _ODIN_ on Tue, 21 August 2018, 14:13:52
I am getting the final prototype, should be received that before the end of this month.:thumb:
Post by: Darknight00z on Tue, 21 August 2018, 18:38:54
Thanks!
Post by: Gghi on Tue, 21 August 2018, 19:19:14
Are there more purple samples, even if it is from DC60? Just want to see how the purple looks.
Thanks!
You can check the gallery of our website. We are adding more pics to it.
https://alfstudio.club/DC60Gallery/
Post by: dario on Wed, 22 August 2018, 06:21:46
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Is it just me or most of the holes seem to be horribly misaligned with each other (especially on the upper row)?
It almost looks like they were cut by hand. I hope that final product will be better.
Post by: Gghi on Wed, 22 August 2018, 09:18:01
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Is it just me or most of the holes seem to be horribly misaligned with each other (especially on the upper row)?
It almost looks like they were cut by hand. I hope that final product will be better.
I don't know which picture makes you think that. But they are aligned perfectly.
Post by: mushubanane on Wed, 22 August 2018, 09:32:19
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Is it just me or most of the holes seem to be horribly misaligned with each other (especially on the upper row)?
It almost looks like they were cut by hand. I hope that final product will be better.
Yeah, I don't see what you mean either
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 22 August 2018, 12:34:22
Post by: TheNamesTy45 on Wed, 22 August 2018, 20:16:26
Post by: Gghi on Wed, 22 August 2018, 20:57:12
I. Like. This.
Thanks man!
Post by: dario on Thu, 23 August 2018, 09:55:25
Are you sure 8° is the right number for a slope angle? Seems too steep for me. Most of the other custom keyboards use 6°.
Is white only color available as a premium finish? Can we get some others (like black) too?
What is the method beyond "regular" colors? Are they anodized or powder coated?
Is there any chance we might get split-backspace as a default? I honestly think most people would like to have it that way.
Thanks.
Post by: breckstar on Thu, 23 August 2018, 10:27:03
Are you sure 8° is the right number for a slope angle? Seems too steep for me. Most of the other custom keyboards use 6°.I agree here. IMO 8 is too steep for SA because R1 doesn't feel right. OP states that this design should be more comfortable with SA by having a lower over height profile. Based on the prototype, it appears to be shorter (we haven't seen a base yet and this is purely based on the caps sitting under the lip and not over the lip which the M65 does by about 1mm) than a M65 since the keycaps sit below the edge lip. This could make 8 degrees bareable but I would prefer a lower angle as to feel the sculpt of SA better.
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 23 August 2018, 12:05:09
Alright, I have three more questions.
Are you sure 8° is the right number for a slope angle? Seems too steep for me. Most of the other custom keyboards use 6°.
Is white only color available as a premium finish? Can we get some others (like black) too?
What is the method beyond "regular" colors? Are they anodized or powder coated?
Is there any chance we might get split-backspace as a default? I honestly think most people would like to have it that way.
Thanks.
Hello, thanks for your feedback!
Regarding your questions:
1. It will be 8 degrees. We feel it works well with SA.
2. Regular colors are anodized.
3. The default option will not have any splits or ISO. Customizations for splits or ISO can be added at a small fee.
We are already making our second prototype, the GB will start very soon with the specification of the second prototype.
Post by: dario on Thu, 23 August 2018, 12:40:58
Quote
Hello, thanks for your feedback!
Regarding your questions:
1. It will be 8 degrees. We feel it works well with SA.
How does this work with regular Cherry profile?
I'm interested in getting new GMK Chocolatier. There has to be some angle which is considered as a default for Cherry profile. Does anybody know what would that be?
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The default option will not have any splits or ISO. Customizations for splits or ISO can be added at a small fee.
If I choose split spacebar + split backspace, would that cost 20+20 or is it just $20 for any kind of modification?
BTW, please consider adding black (or, even better, titanium grey) as a smooth premium finish.
Post by: Gghi on Thu, 23 August 2018, 12:44:03
Are you sure 8° is the right number for a slope angle? Seems too steep for me. Most of the other custom keyboards use 6°.I agree here. IMO 8 is too steep for SA because R1 doesn't feel right. OP states that this design should be more comfortable with SA by having a lower over height profile. Based on the prototype, it appears to be shorter (we haven't seen a base yet and this is purely based on the caps sitting under the lip and not over the lip which the M65 does by about 1mm) than a M65 since the keycaps sit below the edge lip. This could make 8 degrees bareable but I would prefer a lower angle as to feel the sculpt of SA better.
Thanks for your feedback！
I really dont think 2 degree will make that much difference. I once made a 7 degree keyboard, I decide 8 mainly based on my experience on that keyboard.
There will be more pics to release this week. Both the first and second prototype with caps on them. myself is looking forward to see them.
Post by: Gghi on Thu, 23 August 2018, 12:46:34
QuoteHello, thanks for your feedback!
Regarding your questions:
1. It will be 8 degrees. We feel it works well with SA.
How does this work with regular Cherry profile?
I'm interested in getting new GMK Chocolatier. There has to be some angle which is considered as a default for Cherry profile. Does anybody know what would that be?QuoteThe default option will not have any splits or ISO. Customizations for splits or ISO can be added at a small fee.
If I choose split spacebar + split backspace, would that cost 20+20 or is it just $20 for any kind of modification?
BTW, please consider adding black (or, even better, titanium grey) as a smooth premium finish.
that will be $20, for any possible layout. I am not sure what is this premium finish like, but we do have black and titanium grey.
Post by: dario on Thu, 23 August 2018, 14:40:12
that will be $20, for any possible layout.
Sounds good. Are new holes for split spacebar/backspace drilled on an existiig (already drilled) plate or is completely custom bespoke layout without any redudant holes?
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I am not sure what is this premium finish like, but we do have black and titanium grey.
Hm, I'm not sure I understand. I know you have titanium grey as anodization option, but do you have it as a premium smooth finish (like everest white)?
If you have that, I actually think I'm willing to experiment, pay extra and just wait and see how it turns out.
Post by: Gghi on Thu, 23 August 2018, 14:45:36
that will be $20, for any possible layout.
Sounds good. Are new holes for split spacebar/backspace drilled on an existiig (already drilled) plate or is completely custom bespoke layout without any redudant holes?QuoteI am not sure what is this premium finish like, but we do have black and titanium grey.
Hm, I'm not sure I understand. I know you have titanium grey as anodization option, but do you have it as a premium smooth finish (like everest white)?
If you have that, I actually think I'm willing to experiment, pay extra and just wait and see how it turns out.
The holes are completely customized as long as fit the PCB.
We don't have smooth finish except the white one.
Post by: dario on Fri, 24 August 2018, 08:20:19
Post by: Gghi on Fri, 24 August 2018, 11:37:14
What kinds of split-spacebar configurations PCB supports? Can we take a look at the PCB bottom row? Does it maybe support 2-1-1-2 or 2-1-2 spacebar?
The test PCB is not final, I will update possible layout later. I'm not sure what is this 2-1-1-2 spacebar like, literally 2u 1u 1u 2u? probably not.
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 24 August 2018, 15:26:52
Post by: dario on Sat, 25 August 2018, 03:01:29
The test PCB is not final, I will update possible layout later. I'm not sure what is this 2-1-1-2 spacebar like, literally 2u 1u 1u 2u? probably not.
Yeah, 2u 1u 2u, or 2u 1u 1u 2u.
I know it's an unusual ideal, but here's what I had in mind: it's the only way to have a proper convex spacebar(s).
Most split-spacebars people do these days are 2.75-1.25-2.25, which makes for 6.25U in total. However, I think this is a horrible solution because people use shiftt keys which are concave and not really made for pressing sideways using a thumb. Even regular 6.25 convex spacebars are not comfortable to press with a thumb (that's why people do fipped spacebars), and I can only try to imagine what would it be like to press a 2.75 shift key with my thumb. Dear god, it's not a keyboard, it's a medieval torture device.
However, most modern keysets offer (albeit as an extra spacebars pack) at least two 2U convex spacebars.
For example this: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96481.0
So, if you put 2-1-2 you can get 5U width in total or 2-1-1-2 to get 6U, which is perfectly normal spacebar size and makes it easy to arrange other bottom row keys.
Give it a thought, I think it makes sense.
Post by: Gghi on Sat, 25 August 2018, 10:42:29
The test PCB is not final, I will update possible layout later. I'm not sure what is this 2-1-1-2 spacebar like, literally 2u 1u 1u 2u? probably not.
Yeah, 2u 1u 2u, or 2u 1u 1u 2u.
I know it's an unusual ideal, but here's what I had in mind: it's the only way to have a proper convex spacebar(s).
Most split-spacebars people do these days are 2.75-1.25-2.25, which makes for 6.25U in total. However, I think this is a horrible solution because people use shiftt keys which are concave and not really made for pressing sideways using a thumb. Even regular 6.25 convex spacebars are not comfortable to press with a thumb (that's why people do fipped spacebars), and I can only try to imagine what would it be like to press a 2.75 shift key with my thumb. Dear god, it's not a keyboard, it's a medieval torture device.
However, most modern keysets offer (albeit as an extra spacebars pack) at least two 2U convex spacebars.
For example this: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96481.0
So, if you put 2-1-2 you can get 5U width in total or 2-1-1-2 to get 6U, which is perfectly normal spacebar size and makes it easy to arrange other bottom row keys.
Give it a thought, I think it makes sense.
Thanks for your feedback. I agree that 2.75/2.25 split is not comfortable. unfortunately, this 2-1-1-2 split spacebar will probably not be supported.
1. I don't think GMK or SP have 2U convex spacebars. correct me if I'm wrong. I know some profile like XDA have concave 2U, but they also have convex 2.25 and 2.75.
2. I don't think there will be enough demand for this split.
Post by: _ODIN_ on Sat, 25 August 2018, 10:44:34
Post by: dario on Sat, 25 August 2018, 11:53:31
Thanks for your feedback. I agree that 2.75/2.25 split is not comfortable. unfortunately, this 2-1-1-2 split spacebar will probably not be supported.
1. I don't think GMK or SP have 2U convex spacebars. correct me if I'm wrong. I know some profile like XDA have concave 2U, but they also have convex 2.25 and 2.75.
Actually, GMK does produce convex 2U spacebars. Just open up the last interest checks page here on geekhack. Almost all of the popular keysets do have 2U spacebars as an extra (GMK Chocolatier, GMK Carbon R2 etc.)
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2. I don't think there will be enough demand for this split.
What about split-backspace? Is there any hope for that? If we can't even get split-backspace, then that would be a very bad news, enough for me to give up on this IC.
Post by: Gghi on Sat, 25 August 2018, 13:04:29
Thanks for your feedback. I agree that 2.75/2.25 split is not comfortable. unfortunately, this 2-1-1-2 split spacebar will probably not be supported.
1. I don't think GMK or SP have 2U convex spacebars. correct me if I'm wrong. I know some profile like XDA have concave 2U, but they also have convex 2.25 and 2.75.
Actually, GMK does produce convex 2U spacebars. Just open up the last interest checks page here on geekhack. Almost all of the popular keysets do have 2U spacebars as an extra (GMK Chocolatier, GMK Carbon R2 etc.)Quote2. I don't think there will be enough demand for this split.
What about split-backspace? Is there any hope for that? If we can't even get split-backspace, then that would be a very bad news, enough for me to give up on this IC.
Please notice that these "convex 2U" are only in the renders.
we do offer split backspace, and split spacebar (2.75 1.25 2.25 mainly).
Post by: Gghi on Sat, 25 August 2018, 13:25:51
will the PCB support in-switch/ trough hole LEDs ?
This PCB will not. Only caps indicator. My friend is making more powerful PCB tho.
Post by: _ODIN_ on Sat, 25 August 2018, 13:46:48
Will you be able to buy it during the GB?will the PCB support in-switch/ trough hole LEDs ?
This PCB will not. Only caps indicator. My friend is making more powerful PCB tho.
Post by: Gghi on Sat, 25 August 2018, 21:59:50
Will you be able to buy it during the GB?will the PCB support in-switch/ trough hole LEDs ?
This PCB will not. Only caps indicator. My friend is making more powerful PCB tho.
I will check with my friend before GB start. :)
Post by: _ODIN_ on Sun, 26 August 2018, 04:19:48
Thanks :thumb:Will you be able to buy it during the GB?will the PCB support in-switch/ trough hole LEDs ?
This PCB will not. Only caps indicator. My friend is making more powerful PCB tho.
I will check with my friend before GB start. :)
Post by: dario on Sun, 26 August 2018, 12:26:23
So I was looking at the pictures you provided and two things came to my mind:
- you should try to make it as low as possible. OP stated in the first post his goal from the start was to make a low profile keyboard, and I certainly encourage that. However, there seem to be few millimetres left inside that could be used to lower the plate even more.
One of the keys of making a low profile keyboard is a thin slab at the bottom, so I don't mind it's just 3 mm. More than enough weight in total considering the thickness of the upper part. However, feets seem to be placed on a thin slab and that bring us to my next point:
- feets are way too small and wimpy looking for such a heavy board. I mean, just look at this thing
(https://i.imgur.com/DGxKuAZ.jpg)
Feets in general are known as the first point of failure on any keyboard, and this is why they should be generously sized. I don't want those tiny feet to unglue after 6 months of use. Look at Clueboard feets.
(https://macclack.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Case-bottom-768x467.jpg)
And then, finally, speaking of feets, placement is not unimportant. In this case, since Doro67 is basically just one giant plate, the best way to place them would be on a plate itself. This kind of design would provide firm, rigid sense of being anchored to the table. Placing feets on a slab brings risk of resonance and small vibrations when typing. I think it's a good idea to make an iregular shape slab that "avoids" feets on the corners of the case.
Post by: _ODIN_ on Sun, 26 August 2018, 13:37:56
Since I'm planing on buying this thing, I almost feel obligated to try to further improve the design of the boards.Agree that the feet should be larger
So I was looking at the pictures you provided and two things came to my mind:
- you should try to make it as low as possible. OP stated in the first post his goal from the start was to make a low profile keyboard, and I certainly encourage that. However, there seem to be few millimetres left inside that could be used to lower the plate even more.
One of the keys of making a low profile keyboard is a thin slab at the bottom, so I don't mind it's just 3 mm. More than enough weight in total considering the thickness of the upper part. However, feets seem to be placed on a thin slab and that bring us to my next point:
- feets are way too small and wimpy looking for such a heavy board. I mean, just look at this thingShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/DGxKuAZ.jpg)
Feets in general are known as the first point of failure on any keyboard, and this is why they should be generously sized. I don't want those tiny feet to unglue after 6 months of use. Look at Clueboard feets.Show Image(https://macclack.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Case-bottom-768x467.jpg)
And then, finally, speaking of feets, placement is not unimportant. In this case, since Doro67 is basically just one giant plate, the best way to place them would be on a plate itself. This kind of design would provide firm, rigid sense of being anchored to the table. Placing feets on a slab brings risk of resonance and small vibrations when typing. I think it's a good idea to make an iregular shape slab that "avoids" feets on the corners of the case.
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 26 August 2018, 19:45:15
Thanks for your feedback. I agree that 2.75/2.25 split is not comfortable. unfortunately, this 2-1-1-2 split spacebar will probably not be supported.
1. I don't think GMK or SP have 2U convex spacebars. correct me if I'm wrong. I know some profile like XDA have concave 2U, but they also have convex 2.25 and 2.75.
Actually, GMK does produce convex 2U spacebars. Just open up the last interest checks page here on geekhack. Almost all of the popular keysets do have 2U spacebars as an extra (GMK Chocolatier, GMK Carbon R2 etc.)Quote2. I don't think there will be enough demand for this split.
What about split-backspace? Is there any hope for that? If we can't even get split-backspace, then that would be a very bad news, enough for me to give up on this IC.
We have updated split backspace will be available for $20 customization fee.
Default option will not have split backspace.
Post by: Macflag on Mon, 27 August 2018, 09:29:04
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Post by: oldcat on Mon, 27 August 2018, 14:10:11
When is the GB scheduled to start? Did you get enough interest for a ISO option and brass weight?
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As soon as we finish inspecting the second prototype - could be this week or next!
We will do an IC for brass bottom slab. We want to get a pricing before doing the IC so it's more accurate.
For ISO, it will be $20 customization fee, which has been updated earlier.
Post by: Oakelfire on Mon, 27 August 2018, 15:09:49
Post by: ZombieOfZimbabwe on Mon, 27 August 2018, 15:23:57
Will you be able to buy it during the GB?will the PCB support in-switch/ trough hole LEDs ?
This PCB will not. Only caps indicator. My friend is making more powerful PCB tho.
I will check with my friend before GB start. :)
Seconding on this, really a dream kit if it gets led support
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Post by: Gghi on Mon, 27 August 2018, 16:25:26
Since I'm planing on buying this thing, I almost feel obligated to try to further improve the design of the boards.
So I was looking at the pictures you provided and two things came to my mind:
- you should try to make it as low as possible. OP stated in the first post his goal from the start was to make a low profile keyboard, and I certainly encourage that. However, there seem to be few millimetres left inside that could be used to lower the plate even more.
One of the keys of making a low profile keyboard is a thin slab at the bottom, so I don't mind it's just 3 mm. More than enough weight in total considering the thickness of the upper part. However, feets seem to be placed on a thin slab and that bring us to my next point:
- feets are way too small and wimpy looking for such a heavy board. I mean, just look at this thingShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/DGxKuAZ.jpg)
Feets in general are known as the first point of failure on any keyboard, and this is why they should be generously sized. I don't want those tiny feet to unglue after 6 months of use. Look at Clueboard feets.Show Image(https://macclack.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Case-bottom-768x467.jpg)
And then, finally, speaking of feets, placement is not unimportant. In this case, since Doro67 is basically just one giant plate, the best way to place them would be on a plate itself. This kind of design would provide firm, rigid sense of being anchored to the table. Placing feets on a slab brings risk of resonance and small vibrations when typing. I think it's a good idea to make an iregular shape slab that "avoids" feets on the corners of the case.
Thanks for interesting in this keyboard.
The first prototype does have some space left, and I already lower the height in the new prototype.
I choose these round rubber mainly because of its curly surface. I don't wanna use those rectangular ones with sharp edges.
I've seen lots of more heavier keyboards using similar size of rubbers. trust me, it will be ok.
Post by: Gghi on Mon, 27 August 2018, 19:25:22
When is the GB scheduled to start? Did you get enough interest for a ISO option and brass weight?
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There is a delay due to the manufacturer, should be launch after I get and test the final proto (end of this month hopefully).
We wanna cut the plate as little as possible, so we decide extra $20 for custom layout. We will provide brass bottom as an addon.
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 27 August 2018, 20:52:54
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Post by: Gghi on Mon, 27 August 2018, 23:18:05
(https://imgur.com/7qv2mrm.jpg)
new bottom with logo, hasn't been sandblasted and anodized
Post by: _ODIN_ on Tue, 28 August 2018, 00:02:40
I prefer the logo without the textShow Image(https://imgur.com/VWdXgGy.jpg)Show Image(https://imgur.com/7qv2mrm.jpg)
new bottom with logo, hasn't been sandblasted and anodized
Post by: prod on Tue, 28 August 2018, 00:45:19
Show Image(https://imgur.com/VWdXgGy.jpg)Show Image(https://imgur.com/7qv2mrm.jpg)
new bottom with logo, hasn't been sandblasted and anodized
looks nice
Post by: adamcobabe on Tue, 28 August 2018, 05:19:56
Show Image(https://imgur.com/VWdXgGy.jpg)Show Image(https://imgur.com/7qv2mrm.jpg)
new bottom with logo, hasn't been sandblasted and anodized
Every trace has a via. :rolleyes: Can I pay extra to not have the logo?
Post by: dario on Tue, 28 August 2018, 06:59:35
Could you please post some pictures from the front and from the sides. I can't open those *MOV files on my mobile phone.
Post by: 0ctav3 on Tue, 28 August 2018, 08:05:49
Post by: V. Vega on Tue, 28 August 2018, 09:39:14
I don't generally care for logos on anything, but I don't think it matters if it's on the bottom. It's no different than a painter signing their art in the corner.
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 28 August 2018, 11:38:11
I've never bought a custom but I really like this and I think it'll be my first! 65 is my favorite layout and I love heavy boards, so I'd love to see a weight as well.
I don't generally care for logos on anything, but I don't think it matters if it's on the bottom. It's no different than a painter signing their art in the corner.
Thanks for the support my friend
Post by: dario on Tue, 28 August 2018, 12:02:46
Now I can see some differences between gen1 and gen2 prototype. Yes, keyboard sits a little bit lower than before, and that's a good thing. Also, I can see you changed the way plate supports feet by adding corner pillars of aluminium inside, and that's a good thing too.
However, I can also see that side panels of the case are significantly thinner than before. Is there any specific reason for this? Maybe cost saving? I don't know.
Also, if you make brass slab as an option, I think I'll take that too. But there is a catch when it comes to brass. Brass is a copper alloy and copper likes to react with oxygen. This is not corrosion, but it is oxidation of some sort, and creates brown patina. If you want to do brass slab properly, you have to do PVD coating (anodizing brass is not possible). PVD is expensive, it's probably the most expensive method of coating, but it is what it is.
Post by: Gghi on Tue, 28 August 2018, 12:21:59
After some struggle with ****ty video players on android, somehow I managed to open those MOV files.
Now I can see some differences between gen1 and gen2 prototype. Yes, keyboard sits a little bit lower than before, and that's a good thing. Also, I can see you changed the way plate supports feet by adding corner pillars of aluminium inside, and that's a good thing too.
However, I can also see that side panels of the case are significantly thinner than before. Is there any specific reason for this? Maybe cost saving? I don't know.
Also, if you make brass slab as an option, I think I'll take that too. But there is a catch when it comes to brass. Brass is a copper alloy and copper likes to react with oxygen. This is not corrosion, but it is oxidation of some sort, and creates brown patina. If you want to do brass slab properly, you have to do PVD coating (anodizing brass is not possible). PVD is expensive, it's probably the most expensive method of coating, but it is what it is.
As prototypes, I'd like to have some difference (thickness, bezels, etc) to compare. I will compare the 2 protos, carefully choose the features, try to make a reasonable final product.
As the brass bottom, if we offer that choice, it will be PVD. We will provide what we believe's the best.
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 28 August 2018, 12:41:00
After some struggle with ****ty video players on android, somehow I managed to open those MOV files.
Now I can see some differences between gen1 and gen2 prototype. Yes, keyboard sits a little bit lower than before, and that's a good thing. Also, I can see you changed the way plate supports feet by adding corner pillars of aluminium inside, and that's a good thing too.
However, I can also see that side panels of the case are significantly thinner than before. Is there any specific reason for this? Maybe cost saving? I don't know.
Also, if you make brass slab as an option, I think I'll take that too. But there is a catch when it comes to brass. Brass is a copper alloy and copper likes to react with oxygen. This is not corrosion, but it is oxidation of some sort, and creates brown patina. If you want to do brass slab properly, you have to do PVD coating (anodizing brass is not possible). PVD is expensive, it's probably the most expensive method of coating, but it is what it is.
As prototypes, I'd like to have some difference (thickness, bezels, etc) to compare. I will compare the 2 protos, carefully choose the features, try to make a reasonable final product.
As the brass bottom, if we offer that choice, it will be PVD. We will provide what we believe's the best.
End game for you, end game for me :)
Post by: dario on Tue, 28 August 2018, 12:44:48
As prototypes, I'd like to have some difference (thickness, bezels, etc) to compare. I will compare the 2 protos, carefully choose the features, try to make a reasonable final product.
In all honesty, I'd like to have as thin bezels as possible (like Clueboard), but I have no idea how many people shares my opinion.
End game for you, end game for me :)
You said it. :cool:
Post by: Gghi on Tue, 28 August 2018, 14:21:24
As prototypes, I'd like to have some difference (thickness, bezels, etc) to compare. I will compare the 2 protos, carefully choose the features, try to make a reasonable final product.
In all honesty, I'd like to have as thin bezels as possible (like Clueboard), but I have no idea how many people shares my opinion.End game for you, end game for me :)
You said it. :cool:
It will not thin, that is for sure.
Post by: dario on Tue, 28 August 2018, 14:50:50
But maybe there is still a way to optimize design as it is, in a sense that a keyboard would be easier to pick up in hands and move around the table.
Zambumon makes this kind of "hand slots" on his keyboards (Zambumon Verne) and I think it makes alot of sense. It doesn't have to be anything exaggerated, just a small dent somewhere on the side for fingers when you want to quickly pick up a keyboard.
Post by: lovetree on Tue, 28 August 2018, 18:57:22
As prototypes, I'd like to have some difference (thickness, bezels, etc) to compare. I will compare the 2 protos, carefully choose the features, try to make a reasonable final product.
In all honesty, I'd like to have as thin bezels as possible (like Clueboard), but I have no idea how many people shares my opinion.End game for you, end game for me :)
You said it. :cool:
It will not thin, that is for sure.
Thanks God, it is not thin one like many others. :thumb:
Post by: dario on Wed, 29 August 2018, 06:46:31
Thanks God, it is not thin one like many others. :thumb:
Many other? What others? There is only one custom integrated plate board (with slim bezels), and that is Clueboard.
Post by: lovetree on Wed, 29 August 2018, 09:26:25
Thanks God, it is not thin one like many others. :thumb:
Many other? What others? There is only one custom integrated plate board (with slim bezels), and that is Clueboard.
I did not talk about only integrated plate board, recent GBs for board in my local had (too) thin bezel with them which were out of my taste.
Are you satisfied with my response or are there certain reason I have to convince you?
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 29 August 2018, 09:34:50
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnBwfYgjelh/?taken-by=ramaworks
I personally prefer the design of the Doro67, but the new Rama board will have RGB and hotswap if that matters to you
Post by: Wilba on Wed, 29 August 2018, 09:40:55
So, this is launching in a few days:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnBwfYgjelh/?taken-by=ramaworks
hmm... integrated thick plate, daughterboard USB-C, wide bezels, M65-A inspired case design....
Is Rama copying Doro67?!?!?! :eek:
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 29 August 2018, 09:51:46
So, this is launching in a few days:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnBwfYgjelh/?taken-by=ramaworks
hmm... integrated thick plate, daughterboard USB-C, wide bezels, M65-A inspired case design....
Is Rama copying Doro67?!?!?! :eek:
hehehe
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 29 August 2018, 09:56:48
I like the approach that Leandren took where he showed all of his upcoming ideas and now they are coming to fruition. Keeping it a secret kinda screws up people's plans
Oh, and this is in every way better than the M65-a, making me really sad. I guess it's the Apple approach where we have to buy a new Rama board every 2 years b/c the new one makes our old one look like a turd
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 29 August 2018, 10:09:44
So, this is launching in a few days:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnBwfYgjelh/?taken-by=ramaworks
I personally prefer the design of the Doro67, but the new Rama board will have RGB and hotswap if that matters to you
RGB and hotswap seem good features I'd be interested in. Is Wilba making PCB for Rama?
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 29 August 2018, 10:14:35
So, this is launching in a few days:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnBwfYgjelh/?taken-by=ramaworks
I personally prefer the design of the Doro67, but the new Rama board will have RGB and hotswap if that matters to you
RGB and hotswap seem good features I'd be interested in. Is Wilba making PCB for Rama?
he is, indeed.
Post by: Gghi on Wed, 29 August 2018, 14:21:55
So, this is launching in a few days:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnBwfYgjelh/?taken-by=ramaworks
hmm... integrated thick plate, daughterboard USB-C, wide bezels, M65-A inspired case design....
Is Rama copying Doro67?!?!?! :eek:
LOL... :)
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 29 August 2018, 16:01:42
Post by: cldskt on Wed, 29 August 2018, 19:42:05
So, this is launching in a few days:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnBwfYgjelh/?taken-by=ramaworks
hmm... integrated thick plate, daughterboard USB-C, wide bezels, M65-A inspired case design....
Is Rama copying Doro67?!?!?! :eek:
wilba pls
Post by: Darknight00z on Thu, 30 August 2018, 01:58:26
So, this is launching in a few days:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnBwfYgjelh/?taken-by=ramaworks
hmm... integrated thick plate, daughterboard USB-C, wide bezels, M65-A inspired case design....
Is Rama copying Doro67?!?!?! :eek:
Rama m65 inspires Doro67
Doro67 inspires Koyu65
Rama copies Rama :eek: mindblown.jpeg
Post by: Gghi on Thu, 30 August 2018, 17:21:11
Post by: bard on Thu, 30 August 2018, 18:07:42
We can offer black looking brass PVD if got enough interest.
do you have a sample? :eek:
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 30 August 2018, 18:35:25
Also, I wish RAMA would be more transparent about his plans instead of waiting a few days before make a fully fledged product announcement
I like the approach that Leandren took where he showed all of his upcoming ideas and now they are coming to fruition. Keeping it a secret kinda screws up people's plans
I was under the impression almost everyone knew the M65 "revamp" was coming sooner or later, RAMA has been nothing but forthcoming about his plans far as I know. I don't think you need a 12 month notice like Leadrenn gave.
Post by: Gghi on Thu, 30 August 2018, 21:21:15
We can offer black looking brass PVD if got enough interest.
do you have a sample? :eek:
I asked for a sample. probably not the bottom, just a piece of brass PVD.
Post by: bard on Fri, 31 August 2018, 03:12:56
That all what we need!We can offer black looking brass PVD if got enough interest.
do you have a sample? :eek:
I asked for a sample. probably not the bottom, just a piece of brass PVD.
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 31 August 2018, 13:47:39
Also, I wish RAMA would be more transparent about his plans instead of waiting a few days before make a fully fledged product announcement
I like the approach that Leandren took where he showed all of his upcoming ideas and now they are coming to fruition. Keeping it a secret kinda screws up people's plans
I was under the impression almost everyone knew the M65 "revamp" was coming sooner or later, RAMA has been nothing but forthcoming about his plans far as I know. I don't think you need a 12 month notice like Leadrenn gave.
Im on GH every day as well as Keebtalk. I browse r/MK every now and then. Had no idea.
Post by: tunadesu on Fri, 31 August 2018, 14:02:47
Also, I wish RAMA would be more transparent about his plans instead of waiting a few days before make a fully fledged product announcement
I like the approach that Leandren took where he showed all of his upcoming ideas and now they are coming to fruition. Keeping it a secret kinda screws up people's plans
I was under the impression almost everyone knew the M65 "revamp" was coming sooner or later, RAMA has been nothing but forthcoming about his plans far as I know. I don't think you need a 12 month notice like Leadrenn gave.
Im on GH every day as well as Keebtalk. I browse r/MK every now and then. Had no idea.
Looks like you're gonna hafta get on Instagram now ;D
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 31 August 2018, 14:04:09
Also, I wish RAMA would be more transparent about his plans instead of waiting a few days before make a fully fledged product announcement
I like the approach that Leandren took where he showed all of his upcoming ideas and now they are coming to fruition. Keeping it a secret kinda screws up people's plans
I was under the impression almost everyone knew the M65 "revamp" was coming sooner or later, RAMA has been nothing but forthcoming about his plans far as I know. I don't think you need a 12 month notice like Leadrenn gave.
Im on GH every day as well as Keebtalk. I browse r/MK every now and then. Had no idea.
Looks like you're gonna hafta get on Instagram now ;D
I follow RAMA in insta
Post by: tunadesu on Fri, 31 August 2018, 14:06:52
Also, I wish RAMA would be more transparent about his plans instead of waiting a few days before make a fully fledged product announcement
I like the approach that Leandren took where he showed all of his upcoming ideas and now they are coming to fruition. Keeping it a secret kinda screws up people's plans
I was under the impression almost everyone knew the M65 "revamp" was coming sooner or later, RAMA has been nothing but forthcoming about his plans far as I know. I don't think you need a 12 month notice like Leadrenn gave.
Im on GH every day as well as Keebtalk. I browse r/MK every now and then. Had no idea.
Looks like you're gonna hafta get on Instagram now ;D
I follow RAMA in insta
Huh, I'm pretty sure he made an official post recently, but as for the teasers, maybe it was just via his IG story so there is no history of it
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 31 August 2018, 14:14:30
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 31 August 2018, 16:02:04
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 31 August 2018, 16:13:42
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Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 31 August 2018, 18:22:27
Just remember the rules if you do decide to post something for the GB:
- geekhack.org is a community of keyboard enthusiasts and not simply an advertising platform for keyboard-related sales. Thus we request that any group buy organizers who post their group buy threads in this section also provide updates in the thread they have started until the conclusion of the group buy, even if updates are also posted somewhere else. Group buy threads made here are for group buy progress discussion as well as open discussion of any quality control issues. If a group buy organizer decides to provide an off-site instant message chat option for faster order support (for example Discord), any such communication needs to be optional when it comes to non-sensitive* order information.
Post by: euphxenos on Fri, 31 August 2018, 18:41:12
So no Group Buy thread on geekhack?
Just remember the rules if you do decide to post something for the GB:
- geekhack.org is a community of keyboard enthusiasts and not simply an advertising platform for keyboard-related sales. Thus we request that any group buy organizers who post their group buy threads in this section also provide updates in the thread they have started until the conclusion of the group buy, even if updates are also posted somewhere else. Group buy threads made here are for group buy progress discussion as well as open discussion of any quality control issues. If a group buy organizer decides to provide an off-site instant message chat option for faster order support (for example Discord), any such communication needs to be optional when it comes to non-sensitive* order information.
What's the issue? The group buy for this hasn't opened yet, has it? I wouldn't expect them to start a group buy thread until they're actually ready to start taking orders, so what are you objecting to?
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 31 August 2018, 18:51:27
So no Group Buy thread on geekhack?
Just remember the rules if you do decide to post something for the GB:
- geekhack.org is a community of keyboard enthusiasts and not simply an advertising platform for keyboard-related sales. Thus we request that any group buy organizers who post their group buy threads in this section also provide updates in the thread they have started until the conclusion of the group buy, even if updates are also posted somewhere else. Group buy threads made here are for group buy progress discussion as well as open discussion of any quality control issues. If a group buy organizer decides to provide an off-site instant message chat option for faster order support (for example Discord), any such communication needs to be optional when it comes to non-sensitive* order information.
There will be a GB post on GH. After we fully test our (second) prototype.
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 31 August 2018, 19:04:30
Post by: cldskt on Fri, 31 August 2018, 21:13:24
So no Group Buy thread on geekhack?
Just remember the rules if you do decide to post something for the GB:
- geekhack.org is a community of keyboard enthusiasts and not simply an advertising platform for keyboard-related sales. Thus we request that any group buy organizers who post their group buy threads in this section also provide updates in the thread they have started until the conclusion of the group buy, even if updates are also posted somewhere else. Group buy threads made here are for group buy progress discussion as well as open discussion of any quality control issues. If a group buy organizer decides to provide an off-site instant message chat option for faster order support (for example Discord), any such communication needs to be optional when it comes to non-sensitive* order information.
What's the issue? The group buy for this hasn't opened yet, has it? I wouldn't expect them to start a group buy thread until they're actually ready to start taking orders, so what are you objecting to?
I think what he was referring to is the statement “GB will start in Discord” by oldcat, implying that those who are not in the channel might lose out. Not necessarily true, but I can see the sentiment when some of the GBs are more “private” than usual. I don’t blame those either, since GH can be ****y at times.
Why not join us in the Discord channel and chat with us too while waiting for the GB? :)
Post by: euphxenos on Fri, 31 August 2018, 22:03:19
So no Group Buy thread on geekhack?
Just remember the rules if you do decide to post something for the GB:
- geekhack.org is a community of keyboard enthusiasts and not simply an advertising platform for keyboard-related sales. Thus we request that any group buy organizers who post their group buy threads in this section also provide updates in the thread they have started until the conclusion of the group buy, even if updates are also posted somewhere else. Group buy threads made here are for group buy progress discussion as well as open discussion of any quality control issues. If a group buy organizer decides to provide an off-site instant message chat option for faster order support (for example Discord), any such communication needs to be optional when it comes to non-sensitive* order information.
What's the issue? The group buy for this hasn't opened yet, has it? I wouldn't expect them to start a group buy thread until they're actually ready to start taking orders, so what are you objecting to?
I think what he was referring to is the statement “GB will start in Discord” by oldcat, implying that those who are not in the channel might lose out. Not necessarily true, but I can see the sentiment when some of the GBs are more “private” than usual. I don’t blame those either, since GH can be ****y at times.
Why not join us in the Discord channel and chat with us too while waiting for the GB? :)
Ahh, thanks -- I missed that comment about it starting in Discord.
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 31 August 2018, 22:36:56
Post by: dario on Sat, 01 September 2018, 04:54:45
2 additional prototypes have been made. ALF will pick up and ship to our tester next Tuesday. As soon as we make sure everything works fine, GB will start in Discord.
What is Discord? Can't we just have normal GB?
Post by: Gghi on Sat, 01 September 2018, 16:23:35
2 additional prototypes have been made. ALF will pick up and ship to our tester next Tuesday. As soon as we make sure everything works fine, GB will start in Discord.
What is Discord? Can't we just have normal GB?
We will launch on Discord first. Will update on GH later.
Post by: KaosJ on Sat, 01 September 2018, 17:09:09
2 additional prototypes have been made. ALF will pick up and ship to our tester next Tuesday. As soon as we make sure everything works fine, GB will start in Discord.
What is Discord? Can't we just have normal GB?
We will launch on Discord first. Will update on GH later.
good boi
Post by: gbchk on Sun, 02 September 2018, 12:07:59
Post by: euphxenos on Sun, 02 September 2018, 12:47:53
Yeah, this was an issue a few months back because xondat was running a GB on here but was updating in Discord. The main issue was having important GB detail ONLY in the discord channel and not on Geekhack as well. That's why they added that rule. Keeping the group buy status and issues on Geekhack helps preserve that information for the community.
I completely agree with you; I had simply missed oldcat's comment about Discord. I was actually in xondat's Noxary 268 gb. It was a very negative experience. Even the mention of Discord in a gb now makes me reconsider whether I want to join.
Post by: Gghi on Sun, 02 September 2018, 13:54:42
Yeah, this was an issue a few months back because xondat was running a GB on here but was updating in Discord. The main issue was having important GB detail ONLY in the discord channel and not on Geekhack as well. That's why they added that rule. Keeping the group buy status and issues on Geekhack helps preserve that information for the community.
I completely agree with you; I had simply missed oldcat's comment about Discord. I was actually in xondat's Noxary 268 gb. It was a very negative experience. Even the mention of Discord in a gb now makes me reconsider whether I want to join.
I agree. Generally, we update details both here and Discord channel. Usually, we update discord first to get immediate feedback and some less important pics. We will launch this GB first on our channel because we wanna have a test run first in case we miss anything.
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 02 September 2018, 15:32:33
Would this be compatible with SMK switches and a PCB from LFKeyboards?
Layout would work, and it would probably fit (I used one on my m65-a and only had to shave 1mm off the pcb in 2 spots), but I’m not sure the smk board has an JST-PH option. If it does it will most likely work.
Post by: ZombieOfZimbabwe on Sun, 02 September 2018, 16:29:49
Really hoping for a confirmation, this board is a dream, I would just prefer backlightingWould this be compatible with SMK switches and a PCB from LFKeyboards?
Layout would work, and it would probably fit (I used one on my m65-a and only had to shave 1mm off the pcb in 2 spots), but I’m not sure the smk board has an JST-PH option. If it does it will most likely work.
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Post by: oldcat on Sun, 02 September 2018, 19:29:56
Yeah, this was an issue a few months back because xondat was running a GB on here but was updating in Discord. The main issue was having important GB detail ONLY in the discord channel and not on Geekhack as well. That's why they added that rule. Keeping the group buy status and issues on Geekhack helps preserve that information for the community.
I completely agree with you; I had simply missed oldcat's comment about Discord. I was actually in xondat's Noxary 268 gb. It was a very negative experience. Even the mention of Discord in a gb now makes me reconsider whether I want to join.
Sorry to hear that you had that bad experience with another maker. I am not sure what happened there so I cannot comment.
Discord is a great channel for quick updates and fun things (e.g., ALF's daily activities) GH doesn't care about. That said, we will initiate a GB post on GH after Discord launch, as 80ultraman has said. I hope that is not a violation of the terms of use for GH.
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 02 September 2018, 19:32:00
Would this be compatible with SMK switches and a PCB from LFKeyboards?
The GB will include a PCB. It is not certain whether other PCBs will fit at all, because there are no standardized PCBs in 65% (even if there is, most makers don't follow the standards). Maybe 80Ultraman can chime in on this.
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 02 September 2018, 19:34:11
Really hoping for a confirmation, this board is a dream, I would just prefer backlightingWould this be compatible with SMK switches and a PCB from LFKeyboards?
Layout would work, and it would probably fit (I used one on my m65-a and only had to shave 1mm off the pcb in 2 spots), but I’m not sure the smk board has an JST-PH option. If it does it will most likely work.
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Will check with 80ultraman if he can make the PCB backlighting compatible.
Uodate: 80ulteaman said we can have a pcb with in-switch LED options if enough people join this GB (factory machine solders with a MOQ).
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 03 September 2018, 02:33:56
Default PCB (without RGB LEDs) compatible with split/iso will still be offered.
Post by: depreshun on Mon, 03 September 2018, 03:29:08
Post by: Gghi on Mon, 03 September 2018, 06:15:34
At $250 this seems like a great GB. I filled out the survey. I noticed that you just said an RGB PCB will also be available, have you considered a hotswapabble PCB?
Thanks for the feedback!
There will no hot-swap PCB, however, we can offer pre-solder if you have trouble with soldering.
Post by: Marutks on Mon, 03 September 2018, 14:32:56
when is this GB going to start?
Post by: TheAutoManCan on Mon, 03 September 2018, 14:39:33
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 03 September 2018, 14:39:50
fine with me, I don't need hotswap PCB
when is this GB going to start?
As early as this week :)
Second prototype is shipping to our tester tomorrow
Post by: Gghi on Tue, 04 September 2018, 08:36:42
update white bot with logo. more to come in the next 2 days
Post by: ye_cole on Tue, 04 September 2018, 18:57:36
(asked for colors, they're in the OP)
Post by: Gghi on Tue, 04 September 2018, 22:52:20
weight, caps pics come tomorrow.
Post by: Hodgeman on Tue, 04 September 2018, 23:06:04
Show Image(https://imgur.com/grturMc.jpg)
weight, caps pics come tomorrow.
Looking forward to it!
Post by: prod on Wed, 05 September 2018, 09:37:19
Show Image(https://imgur.com/grturMc.jpg)
weight, caps pics come tomorrow.
I really like this logo!
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 05 September 2018, 10:34:34
Show Image(https://imgur.com/grturMc.jpg)
weight, caps pics come tomorrow.
I really like this logo!
Me too. I'm always in favor of keyboard themes and logos that are actually related to computers. +1 on that logo
Post by: OracleKev on Wed, 05 September 2018, 11:44:40
Post by: cldskt on Wed, 05 September 2018, 12:00:39
What did the poll say? Personally I like the logo, but not "BACKPROP"
+1
That’s what I put in the form as well.
Post by: Gghi on Wed, 05 September 2018, 12:39:02
(https://imgur.com/6TIGP4X.jpg)
(https://imgur.com/TDzqOfA.jpg)
(https://imgur.com/12sKN4B.jpg)
(https://imgur.com/ktzYRQz.jpg)
Doro(with SA R3) vs Skog(with GMK)
Post by: dario on Wed, 05 September 2018, 12:55:37
Post by: Marutks on Wed, 05 September 2018, 14:00:13
Post by: Gghi on Wed, 05 September 2018, 14:24:53
What did the poll say? Personally I like the logo, but not "BACKPROP"
+1
That’s what I put in the form as well.
Sorry but not have a logo without text. I will explain the options later.
Post by: Gghi on Wed, 05 September 2018, 14:26:06
looks awesome with SA keycaps :thumb: do you have photos of grey case? I think I will go for grey color. I am going to use dev/tty keycaps. They have grey mods.
Thanks!
We do offer grey color, but didnt make a grey doro sample.
Post by: JDragon on Wed, 05 September 2018, 19:30:39
looks awesome with SA keycaps :thumb: do you have photos of grey case? I think I will go for grey color. I am going to use dev/tty keycaps. They have grey mods.
Thanks!
We do offer grey color, but didnt make a grey doro sample.
Is there a color sample of the grey? Or did I just miss it somewhere in the thread?
Post by: Gghi on Wed, 05 September 2018, 20:35:26
looks awesome with SA keycaps :thumb: do you have photos of grey case? I think I will go for grey color. I am going to use dev/tty keycaps. They have grey mods.
Thanks!
We do offer grey color, but didnt make a grey doro sample.
Is there a color sample of the grey? Or did I just miss it somewhere in the thread?
we didnt made a grey doro, but here's a grey sample of other hardwares.
(https://imgur.com/InggEKG.jpg)
Post by: Lyle88 on Thu, 06 September 2018, 01:37:50
Update new pics. GB start this week!!!Ooooh. Are those white on black caps SP or MaxKeys? It looks super tough with black case + WoB caps!Show Image(https://imgur.com/6TIGP4X.jpg)Show Image(https://imgur.com/TDzqOfA.jpg)Show Image(https://imgur.com/12sKN4B.jpg)Show Image(https://imgur.com/ktzYRQz.jpg)
Doro(with SA R3) vs Skog(with GMK)
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Post by: meliewx on Thu, 06 September 2018, 04:44:04
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Post by: beekey on Thu, 06 September 2018, 05:01:02
These are from MaxKeys: https://kbdfans.cn/collections/maxkey/products/maxkey-black-doubleshot-abs-sa-keycaps (https://kbdfans.cn/collections/maxkey/products/maxkey-black-doubleshot-abs-sa-keycaps)Update new pics. GB start this week!!!Ooooh. Are those white on black caps SP or MaxKeys? It looks super tough with black case + WoB caps!Show Image(https://imgur.com/6TIGP4X.jpg)Show Image(https://imgur.com/TDzqOfA.jpg)Show Image(https://imgur.com/12sKN4B.jpg)Show Image(https://imgur.com/ktzYRQz.jpg)
Doro(with SA R3) vs Skog(with GMK)
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Post by: Gghi on Thu, 06 September 2018, 09:07:52
These are from MaxKeys: https://kbdfans.cn/collections/maxkey/products/maxkey-black-doubleshot-abs-sa-keycaps (https://kbdfans.cn/collections/maxkey/products/maxkey-black-doubleshot-abs-sa-keycaps)Update new pics. GB start this week!!!Ooooh. Are those white on black caps SP or MaxKeys? It looks super tough with black case + WoB caps!Show Image(https://imgur.com/6TIGP4X.jpg)Show Image(https://imgur.com/TDzqOfA.jpg)Show Image(https://imgur.com/12sKN4B.jpg)Show Image(https://imgur.com/ktzYRQz.jpg)
Doro(with SA R3) vs Skog(with GMK)
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Actually the caps are SP :)
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 06 September 2018, 12:14:59
If you want to join early, join ALF discord, or visit: https://alfstudio.club/doro67-GB/
Post by: wanewang on Thu, 06 September 2018, 12:28:48
can't wait to see it start!
Post by: Rubbermilitia on Thu, 06 September 2018, 12:52:05
These are from MaxKeys: https://kbdfans.cn/collections/maxkey/products/maxkey-black-doubleshot-abs-sa-keycaps (https://kbdfans.cn/collections/maxkey/products/maxkey-black-doubleshot-abs-sa-keycaps)Update new pics. GB start this week!!!Ooooh. Are those white on black caps SP or MaxKeys? It looks super tough with black case + WoB caps!Show Image(https://imgur.com/6TIGP4X.jpg)Show Image(https://imgur.com/TDzqOfA.jpg)Show Image(https://imgur.com/12sKN4B.jpg)Show Image(https://imgur.com/ktzYRQz.jpg)
Doro(with SA R3) vs Skog(with GMK)
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Actually the caps are SP :)
Where did you get SP WoB set if you don't mind me asking? I have the maxkeys WoB but prefer SP.
Post by: Gghi on Thu, 06 September 2018, 14:15:42
These are from MaxKeys: https://kbdfans.cn/collections/maxkey/products/maxkey-black-doubleshot-abs-sa-keycaps (https://kbdfans.cn/collections/maxkey/products/maxkey-black-doubleshot-abs-sa-keycaps)Update new pics. GB start this week!!!Ooooh. Are those white on black caps SP or MaxKeys? It looks super tough with black case + WoB caps!Show Image(https://imgur.com/6TIGP4X.jpg)Show Image(https://imgur.com/TDzqOfA.jpg)Show Image(https://imgur.com/12sKN4B.jpg)Show Image(https://imgur.com/ktzYRQz.jpg)
Doro(with SA R3) vs Skog(with GMK)
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Actually the caps are SP :)
Where did you get SP WoB set if you don't mind me asking? I have the maxkeys WoB but prefer SP.
Sorry, my friend took those pictures. I think he combines black alpha with Blood and Sallow modifiers
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 06 September 2018, 15:36:29
split backspace please !
Don't they have different colors? Dark blue, dark grey, for example, would look much better.
We are drafting our GH GB post in the GB section, which will also take some time for approval. At this time you can check this out for details, or join early: https://alfstudio.club/doro67-GB/
Post by: chuckdee on Thu, 06 September 2018, 19:26:28
These are from MaxKeys: https://kbdfans.cn/collections/maxkey/products/maxkey-black-doubleshot-abs-sa-keycaps (https://kbdfans.cn/collections/maxkey/products/maxkey-black-doubleshot-abs-sa-keycaps)Update new pics. GB start this week!!!Ooooh. Are those white on black caps SP or MaxKeys? It looks super tough with black case + WoB caps!Show Image(https://imgur.com/6TIGP4X.jpg)Show Image(https://imgur.com/TDzqOfA.jpg)Show Image(https://imgur.com/12sKN4B.jpg)Show Image(https://imgur.com/ktzYRQz.jpg)
Doro(with SA R3) vs Skog(with GMK)
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Actually the caps are SP :)
Where did you get SP WoB set if you don't mind me asking? I have the maxkeys WoB but prefer SP.
Sorry, my friend took those pictures. I think he combines black alpha with Blood and Sallow modifiers
It looks like one of 7bit's rounds from the ESC key.
Post by: Rubbermilitia on Thu, 06 September 2018, 22:57:54
It looks like one of 7bit's rounds from the ESC key.
I don't know about that... it looks literally identical to the maxkeys WoB caps. Maybe the person who owns them forgot where he got them.
You can even tell SP from maxkeys just by looking. Maxkeys has a more dry, matte look, whereas SP is more glossy. These def look matte.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1473/3902/products/1_f6a044ee-c122-48f2-8d53-0308df56a075_1800x1800.jpg?v=1536244082)
Post by: beekey on Fri, 07 September 2018, 00:52:55
Post by: chuckdee on Fri, 07 September 2018, 06:44:44
It looks like one of 7bit's rounds from the ESC key.
I don't know about that... it looks literally identical to the maxkeys WoB caps. Maybe the person who owns them forgot where he got them.
You can even tell SP from maxkeys just by looking. Maxkeys has a more dry, matte look, whereas SP is more glossy. These def look matte.Show Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1473/3902/products/1_f6a044ee-c122-48f2-8d53-0308df56a075_1800x1800.jpg?v=1536244082)
That DT key is what gives it away. And it definitely has the same finish as the rest. That's a deskthority key, and Maxkeys doesn't have that.
Post by: adamcobabe on Fri, 07 September 2018, 06:47:47
Post by: Gghi on Fri, 07 September 2018, 09:28:21
Unless I'm mistaken, Plate Option 4 in the group buy doesn't seem to support the 3 1u keys on the bottom row when looking at the holes to be cut. Might want to fix the images if true.
Thanks, you're right! I made a mistake, will fix that.
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 07 September 2018, 11:50:30
Post by: PoochZag on Fri, 07 September 2018, 14:45:49
Thanks
Post by: Marutks on Fri, 07 September 2018, 14:54:41
Post by: Rubbermilitia on Fri, 07 September 2018, 16:38:04
Just wanted to verify that both the RGB and normal PCB options have the switches facing south?
Thanks
good question
South
Post by: PoochZag on Fri, 07 September 2018, 16:40:31
Just wanted to verify that both the RGB and normal PCB options have the switches facing south?
Thanksgood question
Thanks for that, most likely in for sure now
South
Post by: Photoelectric on Fri, 07 September 2018, 17:41:28