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Offline SDKCAMPING

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
« Reply #150 on: Tue, 18 May 2021, 17:26:03 »
Time to find out what the hype behind this layout is... i got into mechnical keyboards so I could get away from this layout and try the 65 and 75 layout but I might come back full circle seeing how popular TKLs are again %^^
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Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
« Reply #151 on: Wed, 19 May 2021, 03:46:08 »
Thank you for this frog daddy

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
« Reply #152 on: Wed, 19 May 2021, 09:34:41 »
Geon = YES

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
« Reply #153 on: Wed, 19 May 2021, 11:22:39 »
Suddenly want tadpoles in my mouth...

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
« Reply #154 on: Wed, 19 May 2021, 13:58:37 »
+1 for EU vendor please!

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
« Reply #155 on: Thu, 20 May 2021, 01:22:53 »
Please give EU proxy Geon  :cool:

+1 for EU  :)

As an EU customer: I'd rather buy from a proxy shop in the EU instead of oversea, because it's clear what I pay.

+1 for EU vendor please!

Another EU customer here. I would also highly appreciate a EU vendor.
Nevertheless, super relaxing to see one might actually get a board of this quality. Excited for purple!

+1 for EU vendor please!

I will think about EU vendor again after 3~4 months of sales from Korean vendor to EU.

Offline prettydouchebag

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #156 on: Thu, 20 May 2021, 10:47:02 »
Such a great price point for such an awe-inspiring TKL.

Cannot wait to see these in the hands of the people who want them.

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Offline brln

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #157 on: Thu, 20 May 2021, 10:55:57 »
Only 3~4 of waiting for EU Customers? Great to hear! Thanks geon.

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #158 on: Thu, 20 May 2021, 12:48:36 »
Frog me up
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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #159 on: Thu, 20 May 2021, 15:39:16 »
will there only be a korean vendor or will there be other vendors  like a north american/canadian vendor as well?

Offline Bl4ck

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #160 on: Thu, 20 May 2021, 16:02:30 »
Only 3~4 of waiting for EU Customers? Great to hear! Thanks geon.

hopefully, skipped some tkls waiting for this :)

A good solution for it would maybe do it GB style for EU people? As it being in-stock is most likely one of the problems of having an EU vendor.
« Last Edit: Thu, 20 May 2021, 17:29:16 by Bl4ck »

Offline Clay333

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #161 on: Thu, 20 May 2021, 18:42:30 »
I am honestly not a fan of TKLs, but damn this is nice. I may have to pick one up. That mounting system looks like it could be very promising while being similar to the basic top mount.

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #162 on: Thu, 20 May 2021, 19:38:00 »
when does the part where we crown geon come in.

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #163 on: Fri, 21 May 2021, 02:15:05 »


I will think about EU vendor again after 3~4 months of sales from Korean vendor to EU.

Pity. While I respect your decision, that will spoil the board for many EU enthusiasts. Oh well, can't have everything :)

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL - 21.05.17
« Reply #164 on: Fri, 21 May 2021, 03:45:47 »
Please give EU proxy Geon  :cool:

+1 for EU  :)

As an EU customer: I'd rather buy from a proxy shop in the EU instead of oversea, because it's clear what I pay.

+1 for EU vendor please!

Another EU customer here. I would also highly appreciate a EU vendor.
Nevertheless, super relaxing to see one might actually get a board of this quality. Excited for purple!

+1 for EU vendor please!

I will think about EU vendor again after 3~4 months of sales from Korean vendor to EU.

Maybe for the F2-8x?

Offline bansheetango

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #165 on: Fri, 21 May 2021, 06:04:50 »
@geonworks Please keep in mind that direct sales from Korea vendor to EU won't necessarily be relevant, some of the EU folk won't order from non-EU vendors, imports and taxes being a hassle in some countries.

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #166 on: Fri, 21 May 2021, 06:14:43 »
@geonworks Please keep in mind that direct sales from Korea vendor to EU won't necessarily be relevant, some of the EU folk won't order from non-EU vendors, imports and taxes being a hassle in some countries.

this is 100% true.

Offline Firahlol

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #167 on: Fri, 21 May 2021, 07:43:33 »
@geonworks Please keep in mind that direct sales from Korea vendor to EU won't necessarily be relevant, some of the EU folk won't order from non-EU vendors, imports and taxes being a hassle in some countries.

Agree.

As much as I really want to get this board, paying ~550 USD seems too high for me, because, for this price, the expectations are totally different.
Add the customs variable into account, the fact that you might have to drive 50-400 km to the customs office (depending on where you live), that's another 30-100USD for gas.

Let's see, maybe at the end of the year, we might get a chance from an EU vendor for a decent price.
« Last Edit: Mon, 24 May 2021, 05:52:57 by Firahlol »

Offline dalunk

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #168 on: Sun, 23 May 2021, 15:33:28 »
Buy frog

Offline MightyMatti

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #169 on: Mon, 24 May 2021, 03:04:13 »
+1 for EU
I am also willing to take it at a higher price from Korea  :cool:

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #170 on: Mon, 24 May 2021, 03:07:45 »
+1 for EU vendor

Board looks stunning. Great job.

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #171 on: Mon, 24 May 2021, 07:26:11 »
Froggers?
Kroggers?

I'd buy this but I'd probably wait, so the newcomers can buy this first as their first board.

Offline Fraaaan

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #172 on: Mon, 24 May 2021, 11:17:48 »
+1 for EU proxy.

The Frog is meant to be an affordable board for new enthusiasts and the price just doesn't reflect that after shipping from Korea, import duties and VAT.

Offline RoyalOak88

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #173 on: Mon, 24 May 2021, 11:41:08 »
+1 for EU proxy.

The Frog is meant to be an affordable board for new enthusiasts and the price just doesn't reflect that after shipping from Korea, import duties and VAT.

Agree.
+1 for EU

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #174 on: Mon, 24 May 2021, 19:57:15 »
love you frog daddy geon, also please consider adding a south american vendor like fancy customs, would love to get a frog from them <3

Offline tngpq

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #175 on: Mon, 24 May 2021, 20:07:44 »
Not being a douche but it's not Geon's responsibility to resolve the high customs EU forces on imports. Even if EU gets a vendor, price will not be at the level of the Asian or NA vendor unless the vendor is willing to operate at a very very thin margin. He mentioned on stream that he did the calculation and once you factor in the EU vendor's margin, going through an EU vendor doesn't save cost for the end consumer compared to selling through the Korean vendor for EU customers. So there's that.

Offline cfox21

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #176 on: Tue, 25 May 2021, 06:27:58 »
Even with an EU vendor there is still VAT to pay so it won't become as cheap as NA/Asia. Shipping will be cheaper though

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #177 on: Tue, 25 May 2021, 10:28:40 »
Buying it straight fromKorea, we would need to add around 30% for customs and VAT, right?

Another question - is there any compatible pcb that would have rgb and hot swap?
I'm not an expert in those pcb acronyms.
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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #178 on: Tue, 25 May 2021, 10:49:44 »
Guys buying domestically or whatever doesn’t magically exempt you from paying taxes

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #179 on: Tue, 25 May 2021, 13:22:12 »
Guys buying domestically or whatever doesn’t magically exempt you from paying taxes
Yeah, that's right. Proxy doesnt mean you pay same amount, vat is added anyway. I dont see the point of having proxies...
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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #180 on: Tue, 25 May 2021, 13:28:32 »
Guys buying domestically or whatever doesn’t magically exempt you from paying taxes
Yeah, that's right. Proxy doesnt mean you pay same amount, vat is added anyway. I dont see the point of having proxies...

Then you are clearly not an EU customer.

I think non-EU people that are saying we making it a super big problem for no reason, you don't really understand, VAT itself is not the problem, I would gladly pay swagkeys price + vat if it was only that but its not, as it has been explained in detail both here and geon's discord.

Also for EU people, Geon already said he will think about it for future runs so... that's already appreciated.
« Last Edit: Tue, 25 May 2021, 13:31:35 by Bl4ck »

Offline Cowmovie4

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #181 on: Tue, 25 May 2021, 14:14:12 »
Very cool keyboard, may have to buy one and put handarbeit on it  :cool: I know its probably not the most popular but split backspace hotswap would be very very cool.
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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #182 on: Tue, 25 May 2021, 15:11:11 »
Guys buying domestically or whatever doesn’t magically exempt you from paying taxes
Yeah, that's right. Proxy doesnt mean you pay same amount, vat is added anyway. I dont see the point of having proxies...
Then you are clearly not an EU customer.
Sorry I didn’t go far enough back to see the explanations. Paying tax twice seems silly, unlucky to be in EU I guess.

Offline MiguelFg

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #183 on: Tue, 25 May 2021, 16:17:35 »
People think it's about the VAT and it's not, we already know that we will pay that on a EU vendor anyways, the convinience of having an EU proxy is specially not dealing with other extra taxes or charges some companies ''magically'' add to the mix with the excuse of "administrative expenses" or something like that, companies like DHL, UPS and others are so scummy when you receive a package from ASIA or USA to EU, they will do whatever they want to make you pay extra money because If you don't comply, you won't get the package.

Also the risk of losing the package during traveling is minimized if you have a proxy in EU, no extra charges, no major risks of losing the package... It's not always about saving money.

And the shipping it's not the same, we are individual customers buying 1 maybe 2 products, where as Mykeboard.eu (for example) is a company buying a product in bulk, so they can make deals with courier companies to get shipping discounts or something like that.

I rather pay 14€ to a EU proxy instead of 50€ to a Korean proxy.
« Last Edit: Tue, 25 May 2021, 16:20:21 by MiguelFg »

Offline Bl4ck

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #184 on: Tue, 25 May 2021, 16:28:44 »
People think it's about the VAT and it's not, we already know that we will pay that on a EU vendor anyways, the convinience of having an EU proxy is specially not dealing with other extra taxes or charges some companies ''magically'' add to the mix with the excuse of "administrative expenses" or something like that, companies like DHL, UPS and others are so scummy when you receive a package from ASIA or USA to EU, they will do whatever they want to make you pay extra money because If you don't comply, you won't get the package.

Also the risk of losing the package during traveling is minimized if you have a proxy in EU, no extra charges, no major risks of losing the package... It's not always about saving money.

And the shipping it's not the same, we are individual customers buying 1 maybe 2 products, where as Mykeboard.eu (for example) is a company buying a product in bulk, so they can make deals with courier companies to get shipping discounts or something like that.

I rather pay 14€ to a EU proxy instead of 50€ to a Korean proxy.

True, it gets really, really expensive, and the math is not even that clear, you never know exactly how much you are going to end up paying, you unless now the minimum you are going to pay.

Offline Lyle88

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #185 on: Tue, 25 May 2021, 19:49:33 »
Will the amount of flex cause issues for the USB port being connected to the main PCB?
I really like the look of this, glwic!

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #186 on: Tue, 25 May 2021, 22:45:20 »
Chiming in the topic of EU vendor. AFAIK when working with vendor, the vendor get some cut/incentive for being the vendor of the product. In this case anyone know whether it'll come from the board maker giving lower price to the vendor or it'll come from the added price the vendor charge to the buyer? If I remember correctly Geon previously shared the comparison of the production cost and the price he gonna selling the board, and he's operating at thin margin. Might be one of reason why no vendor (at least for several first runs).

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #187 on: Wed, 26 May 2021, 00:18:08 »
I want gimme gimme gimme!!!


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Offline Lyle88

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #188 on: Wed, 26 May 2021, 02:44:35 »
will there be a toad variation of this?
I would love to see a version with the tkl section replaced by a numpad, similar to m0lly.

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Offline Bl4ck

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #189 on: Wed, 26 May 2021, 05:31:01 »
Chiming in the topic of EU vendor. AFAIK when working with vendor, the vendor get some cut/incentive for being the vendor of the product. In this case anyone know whether it'll come from the board maker giving lower price to the vendor or it'll come from the added price the vendor charge to the buyer? If I remember correctly Geon previously shared the comparison of the production cost and the price he gonna selling the board, and he's operating at thin margin. Might be one of reason why no vendor (at least for several first runs).

Normally that comes from the vendor selling it at a higher price.

But it also has to do with the price Geon wants to see the board sold for in a way.

And yes, working with such a thin margin is most likely one of the reasons it has no EU vendor.

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #190 on: Wed, 26 May 2021, 11:29:56 »
ribbit

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #191 on: Wed, 26 May 2021, 16:08:03 »
Is there rgb pcb that is compatible with this case?
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Offline Techdude594

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #192 on: Thu, 27 May 2021, 01:55:59 »
Those future colors look very exciting! Especially purple and burgundy. Great how accessible this board will be! Bit confused by the PCBs though, are the 4 listed options that we will be able to purchase? Or are those pre-existing pcbs that are compatible? If the former is true, great to see hotswap and even RGB  :D

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #193 on: Thu, 27 May 2021, 04:32:42 »
totally EU interested for a green one for kerokerokeys. full frog or nothing. I'm really glad to see in stock regularly good keyboard.

Offline bansheetango

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #194 on: Thu, 27 May 2021, 05:58:58 »
Proxy doesnt mean you pay same amount, vat is added anyway. I dont see the point of having proxies...
The point is not having to deal with customs paperwork yourself (in some cases even having to go physically somewhere for this because beaurocracy and paper-pushers) and usually some lower taxes (afaik Germany and some other countries have a lower customs tax for computer parts than others, which means the added cost to the keyboard itself will be lower compared to paying the tax in your own country).

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #195 on: Thu, 27 May 2021, 07:14:50 »
Proxy doesnt mean you pay same amount, vat is added anyway. I dont see the point of having proxies...
The point is not having to deal with customs paperwork yourself (in some cases even having to go physically somewhere for this because beaurocracy and paper-pushers) and usually some lower taxes (afaik Germany and some other countries have a lower customs tax for computer parts than others, which means the added cost to the keyboard itself will be lower compared to paying the tax in your own country).

And don't forget tariff errors : I paid tariff for an Austin sent by IlumKB because Louis didn't put the right nomenclature. In fact he didn't put anything else than "Aluminium KEYBOARD Case" so DHL instead of retaining the reference "Keyboard" (0% tariff) retained "aluminium" (6% tarifff) : 7616999099.

Please think about ISO users, add a split left shift to your "alice style" keyboards

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #196 on: Thu, 27 May 2021, 08:40:45 »
This is pretty TKL case, I wish there was hot swap rgb pcb for it.
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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #197 on: Thu, 27 May 2021, 14:18:00 »
As someone already said, TKL with numpad variant to throw my wallet against it.  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #198 on: Thu, 27 May 2021, 17:16:26 »
Will Apollo87H fit in Frog TKL?
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Re: [IC] FROG TKL
« Reply #199 on: Fri, 28 May 2021, 18:31:30 »
This is pretty TKL case, I wish there was hot swap rgb pcb for it.

Check the PCB options, there seems to be hotswap options, and options with RGB too. (Unless I am misinterpreting something)