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Offline edwyn

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[IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 18:40:47 »

               

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GMK Max Neon: Doing better for all my supporters

Geekhack Community, I'm Edwyn and GMK Max Neon is my follow up keyset to the cancelled 95NEON. Mistakes were made on my front on my previous
set. I won't go into details here but you can read about the mistakes I made and my apology here:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=111270.msg3034883#msg3034883

I was humbled by all the people that reached out to me through reddit and discord following the cancellation telling me they really liked my set
and how they could still get it. Thus in the past week my goal was to design a new set that could both meet their expectations while also removing
elements that could be deemed other people's IP.


Changes made:
1. The signature gradient element from the previous inspiration is gone
2. Alphas are now darker
3. Signature volt color has been changed. This new green was crowdsourced and voted by my discord community. It is duller but it works because
the alphas are darker
4. Novelties with a direct sneaker association are removed. Remaining novelties I hope are ambiguous enough that they could be associated
with multiple inspirations


* GMK Max Neon Inspiration

The inspiration for this set is all things green and grey, the feeling of technology and future that these colors evoke, ninjas, all past IC
suggestions on how I could improve on the set and most importantly feedback I got this past week from my community (they helped by voting on most
significant decisions)

The tentpole novelty has been changed to “武”. This word is originally Chinese and is used in other asian languages as well and it means “warrior”. I have
chosen this character to honor all my supporters and anybody else that is fighting for this set to be made.

Although this character has been used in other places I have designed the font to better fit the future aesthetic of the set while also better
maintaining the original Chinese character strokes and proportions than similar renditions of this character.

* GMK Max Neon Colors

Dark Grey: GMK N9
Light Grey: RAL 7011
Green: Pantone 2290 C




* GMK Max Neon Kits

The base kit should cover most people's needs (includes ISO UK support). I also added a 6.25u accent spacebar this
time around so no need to buy the spacebar set just for it


Novelties 
武 Novelty in honour of all the neon warrior supporters!


Spacebars 
To cover any other spacebar needs you might have


* GMK Max Neon Renders

Paragon by Artemis                                                                                                                              


Paragon by Artemis                                                                                                                              


Paragon by Artemis                                                                                                                              


Koyu by Rama Works                                                                                                                              


Koyu by Rama Works                                                                                                                              



* GMK Max Neon Desk Mats
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* GMK Max Neon Vendors
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* GMK Max Neon Collaborations   
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* GMK Max Neon To Do
More renders
Desk Mats
Finalize kits
Annouce Vendors
Get Quotes from GMK
Announce Collaborations
Collab Designs



* GMK Max Neon Thank You

Credits:
Supporters: The Neon Warriors that not only gave me the encouragement to make this set happen but also helped vote on design choices:
Caconym, roaK, Tenor Madness, Jese, 1999MapleSyrub, Oversized Shady, miggy, boku, flipm0de, MangoPineapple, omane and many many more
Renders: Nathan for Kits
Special Thanks: All previous vendors for being supportive and understanding



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* Contact
http://concepidea.com
/u/edwyn on Reddit
wyn#6723 on Discord
Join my new discord server for updates on GMK Max Neon, other keycap sets I am working on and other design/art projects I am working on (art/toy is next)
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Changelog   
04/15/21
First publish
« Last Edit: Thu, 15 April 2021, 03:03:15 by edwyn »

Offline yoniwolf1202

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #1 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 18:46:03 »
Well this is brave

Offline Chippy

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #2 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 18:46:22 »
this looks familiar, can't put my finger on it.
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Offline NoteMakoti

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 18:51:13 »
Good luck bro

Offline Beenoman

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 18:52:21 »
i fail to see the difference

Offline firewrath9

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #5 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 18:56:19 »
looks decent, but on the renders of the set on keyboards i think changing it so there is more contrast between the mods and the alphas would be good, as the renders look almost as if alphas and the mods are the same color. As it is right now, the renders of the set on the boards look almost as if its GMK toxic because of the lack of contrast between the alphas and the mods

not a fan of the name either but that is a preference thing ig.

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #6 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 18:58:22 »

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #7 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 19:01:10 »
yesn't

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #8 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 19:02:54 »
I think the most important thing missing from your apology post is, “I’m sorry for making light of the human rights atrocities perpetrated by the Chinese government against the Uighurs in Xinjiang China. My joke about using my keyset to retaliate against Nike for its decision to stop sourcing its cotton from slave labor was ill-informed, and I should have thought about the greater ethical ramifications of what I was saying rather than joining other likewise misinformed persons in Nike-bashing.”

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #9 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 19:06:58 »
what do you mean youve seen this? it's brand new

Offline aeryxz

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #10 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 19:13:40 »
Just do it

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #11 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 19:15:27 »
This set seems be the very first GB i'll involve. If NorDEUK set is in, it's an instant buy for me, high hopes on it🤘🏻 I just love the accent greens on gray.

Offline aleeex

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #12 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 19:22:44 »
Bruh it's been like a week since u got cancelled and you've basically redone the IC for the exact same set

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #13 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 19:23:03 »
Quick question.. what relevance does 武 have in this set? That means martial arts.. or warrior..

Oops, just read it. Still think it's a bit random to include that.


but hey oriental characters cool & exotic  :p


Also, your IC form has "required" in sections that shouldn't be required, i.e. "are you interested in collabs/artisans". If you're going to make it required, you should have an option that says "not interested".
« Last Edit: Wed, 14 April 2021, 19:35:46 by loop | esc lab »

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #14 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 19:24:01 »
* GMK Max Neon Vendors
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So if vendors dropped out because your statements were a liability and not the set itself, I'm not sure what's changed here.

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 19:25:12 »
did you know you can use custom colors for forum posting by using color=#(hex number goes here)
anyways gl landing a vendor you don't seem to be running out of original ideas
« Last Edit: Wed, 14 April 2021, 19:29:08 by Kokaloo »

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #16 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 19:51:19 »
brave

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #17 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 19:55:54 »
This is more desperate than the "infringe copyright to protest" ****

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #18 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 19:57:51 »
Wasn't this a copyright infringement dumpster fire already?

Offline TenorMadness

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #19 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 20:35:41 »
I really dig the colors. Wish there were more green keycap sets. Will probably pick this one up.

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #20 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 20:36:04 »
This ain't it chief. I don't see the link between your new inspiration and keyset name. Regardless of the warrior ****, isn't it still the Air "MAX" 95 "NEON" as the name suggests???? This got to be a joke.

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #21 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 20:44:09 »
lol lets see how this one goes

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[IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #22 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 20:58:19 »
Wish there were more green keycap sets. Will probably pick this one up.

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #23 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 20:59:08 »
Well well well... back so soon?


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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #24 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 21:02:57 »
W... what a save...  :blank:

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #25 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 21:11:38 »
I like posting multiple IC's for the same set

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #26 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 21:40:29 »
this novelty kit makes no sense, what type of warrior has no sword novelty keys? not even a ninja star

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #27 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 21:43:18 »
This is kind of like when a guy gets dumped and he is like "no baby I can change I promise" its desperate and sad.

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #28 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 21:55:21 »
oh my

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #29 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 22:02:41 »

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #30 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 22:29:26 »
Love the colors, loved the original 95Neon idea, but I don’t see how “95” was coming any close to Nike’s IP, and want that back. I can dig a Neon Warrior, but let’s be honest. It is 95Neon and I love it, despite the haters. I want 95Neon. This is okay tho. Still want the original.

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #31 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 22:30:56 »
wow i love genji so much i cant wait for this set

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #32 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 22:35:43 »
This is kind of like when a guy gets dumped and he is like "no baby I can change I promise" its desperate and sad.
^ l o l
I hope this is worth the time for vendors. What are the chances that GMK runs this - based on their stricter policies it seems unlikely.

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #33 on: Wed, 14 April 2021, 23:04:26 »
drama aside, the fact that you removed the gradient in the mods is a huge plus... not being hampered by that 'inspiration' makes for a much cleaner and better set.

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #34 on: Thu, 15 April 2021, 00:01:39 »
yall like shoes?

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #35 on: Thu, 15 April 2021, 00:03:22 »
Back so soon? It's been a week my guy.



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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #36 on: Thu, 15 April 2021, 01:45:31 »
Oh, so it is possible to dig further...

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #37 on: Thu, 15 April 2021, 01:46:53 »
based on all things airmax95 and neon

Offline edwyn

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #38 on: Thu, 15 April 2021, 03:00:20 »
Thanks for the feedback!

There is a "Just interested in the set" option for the collaboration question


Quick question.. what relevance does 武 have in this set? That means martial arts.. or warrior..

Oops, just read it. Still think it's a bit random to include that.


but hey oriental characters cool & exotic  :p


Also, your IC form has "required" in sections that shouldn't be required, i.e. "are you interested in collabs/artisans". If you're going to make it required, you should have an option that says "not interested".

Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #39 on: Thu, 15 April 2021, 06:57:15 »
Why does my gut say Kono will still run this set

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #40 on: Thu, 15 April 2021, 07:06:27 »
I think the most important thing missing from your apology post is, “I’m sorry for making light of the human rights atrocities perpetrated by the Chinese government against the Uighurs in Xinjiang China. My joke about using my keyset to retaliate against Nike for its decision to stop sourcing its cotton from slave labor was ill-informed, and I should have thought about the greater ethical ramifications of what I was saying rather than joining other likewise misinformed persons in Nike-bashing.”

good lord.

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #41 on: Thu, 15 April 2021, 07:31:41 »
opstay easeplay

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #43 on: Thu, 15 April 2021, 11:18:00 »
Yikes
« Last Edit: Thu, 15 April 2021, 15:36:58 by Que7797 »

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #44 on: Thu, 15 April 2021, 11:18:35 »
If only this keyset didn't make me think about atrocities being perpetrated upon innocents.

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #45 on: Thu, 15 April 2021, 11:49:34 »
this novelty kit makes no sense, what type of warrior has no sword novelty keys? not even a ninja star

A 武 that fights for cancelled keycaps and loses sight about the conversation going on around him about human rights and actual political consequence :(


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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #46 on: Thu, 15 April 2021, 12:34:23 »
So... let me see if I got it right!

You had copyright problems because the set was clearly taken from Nike's IP so now you make the exact same set with slightly changed tones, say you were inspired by "green and grey"??? and we gucci because you are now inspired by colors instead of Nike's IP despite it being the exact same set?

Best of luck to find proper vendors for all regions.

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #47 on: Thu, 15 April 2021, 13:34:10 »
Can someone fill me in on the IP issues/drama in this set? I'm not familiar with how strict Nike is, but it doesn't look like anything's blatant. Is it not okay to connect the words "Max" and "Neon" to this colorway or something? Or is it a problem with the novelties?

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #48 on: Thu, 15 April 2021, 14:54:21 »
Can someone fill me in on the IP issues/drama in this set? I'm not familiar with how strict Nike is, but it doesn't look like anything's blatant. Is it not okay to connect the words "Max" and "Neon" to this colorway or something? Or is it a problem with the novelties?

https://www.nike.com/launch/t/air-max-95-og-neon-yellow pretty sure it's this but i don't care enough to look deeper
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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #49 on: Thu, 15 April 2021, 16:57:33 »
Love the colors, loved the original 95Neon idea, but I don’t see how “95” was coming any close to Nike’s IP, and want that back. I can dig a Neon Warrior, but let’s be honest. It is 95Neon and I love it, despite the haters. I want 95Neon. This is okay tho. Still want the original.

Yikes... it was never about 95 coming close to Nike's IP. It was about OP openly and blatantly stating an intent to infringe on Nike's copyright. I am not a lawyer, but my understanding is that being able to show intent goes a long way in legal preceedings. And this was as public and blatant as it could be.

Can someone fill me in on the IP issues/drama in this set? I'm not familiar with how strict Nike is, but it doesn't look like anything's blatant. Is it not okay to connect the words "Max" and "Neon" to this colorway or something? Or is it a problem with the novelties?

See above. In addition to that as "the IP issue" there is also the fact that edwyn brought the Xinjiang cotton fiasco into it, which politicised something unnecessarily.

This is an issue of risks and optics primarily - and no vendor wanted to touch 95 Neon because of that.

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #50 on: Thu, 15 April 2021, 16:59:23 »
Also:

Yikes edwyn, it might be time to realise that the neon colourway opportunity has been closed forever due to your actions.

Log off Geekhack, take a few weeks away from designing, and come back with something that looks different enough that people don't immediately bring up your past dramas.

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #51 on: Thu, 15 April 2021, 17:01:28 »
Haha, Good April Fo-........ checks calendar...... oh god, he's being serious.
« Last Edit: Thu, 15 April 2021, 17:27:16 by dudeship »

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #52 on: Thu, 15 April 2021, 17:55:36 »
My primary objective now is to come up with a set to cater to people that have reached out to me through reddit and my discord in the past 24 hours telling me they still hope to get my set. For this to happen I have decided to abandon 95neon as it has too much legal baggage attached for it to succeed and I must go back to the drawing board.

My new set will have less association with air max 95 and not infringe on any of Nike's IP

I understand that for many people this might not be the set that they will want and from this whole debacle I have definitely learnt you can't change people's opinion. So instead of worrying about people who don't want my set, I'm going to instead put my focus on serving the people that want it as there is no way to please everyone (also learnt this the hard way this time).

I hope my new set will meet my design's supporters and the respective standard of each vendor I originally worked with so that we can get to a new GB.

So after claiming that you would come up with a new set that had less association with the AM95, a week later you've presented us with what is essentially the same set minus the gradient and some new novelties that don't make sense combined with old novelties (AIR, the air bubble) that could still be seen as infringing Nike's IP?

When you said new set I assumed you meant ... new new. Not have another crack at getting your cancelled set through a week later new.

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #53 on: Thu, 15 April 2021, 18:20:48 »
Me trying to pick a side when I hate IP law, the new yellow scare, and dengism.


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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #54 on: Thu, 15 April 2021, 18:32:39 »
I've read through the drama, and I have suggestions for you. This is just some constructive criticism from my mind that I took some free time to write, so you can take my thoughts with a grain of salt if you so choose. I don't know what all happened with you claiming to want to infringe copyrights, but I'll assume for now that you didn't say that or meant something else.

There is very little chance that any vendor will want to host this set based on what happened with the first iteration. Talk to an IP lawyer, and have them verify that everything's okay. That should be the first step, and having that confirmation that nothing will infringe on copyrights (the colorway combined with the words, etc.) will possibly open up some vendors to be okay with running this. This is also for the sake of the vendors you are working with and GMK. Even if you get a vendor before doing this, you don't want to end up massively hurting them if Nike brings in their legal team.

If there is an IP problem seen by the lawyer, it will most likely stem from the novelties being loosely connected to Nike IP, especially combined with the "Technology and ninjas" theme that supposedly inspired you. The best course in this case would be to just remove the novelties. I'm sure most people are still interested in the colorway even if the novelties are there. Your novelties right now seem very haphazardly thought out because you were probably trying to cover up the obvious inherent origin of the set. Is this set about Future tech, neon green ninjas and warriors? I think your attempt to lessen any IP worries in your set messed up the basic theme, and it seems all over the place. Trying to cover up the original theme of the set while still possibly having IP concerns ("MAX","NEON", Nike font (although I don't think that matters)) won't save you if Nike decides it's time to kill. And I'll say it again, the ideas seem all over the place.

If I was in your shoes and I still wanted to run the set, I would either:

- Remove all words that could trigger Nike's legal team, such as "MAX" and "NEON" and etc.  and stick with the "futuristic ninja warrior" theme. Don't forget to change the name of the set, remove "Max"

- Remove all novelties and just make it a super clean, colorway-implied-theme set. Maybe also remove the word "Max" in the title. GMK Neon Dolch, idk.

I may be wrong, but I think the whole futuristic/ninja/warrior theme was hastily thought of to cover up IP, but if you're sure people like 'em, then why not, keep 'em and maybe make new ones to replace the risky novelties. Removing novelties also condenses the project to only 2 kits combined with 2 custom colors with no custom molds which translates to cheaper prices.

Doing all this should ease all worries about IP and open up your choices for vendors too. You'll still have to deal with the bitter drama that this set caused, but you'll at least be way better off than you were before. For what I know, you tried to make the set political in the heat of the moment, but you apologized after. Although that was a pretty bad mistake to make, you're only human and I'm sure that people can accept your apology.

Good luck :thumb:
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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #55 on: Thu, 15 April 2021, 19:39:17 »
Here's a name idea: GMK Dead Master. I'm pretty sure the Black ★ Rock Shooter guy doesn't have lawyers.  :rolleyes:


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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #56 on: Thu, 15 April 2021, 19:41:09 »
For what I know, you tried to make the set political in the heat of the moment, but you apologized after. Although that was a pretty bad mistake to make, you're only human and I'm sure that people can accept your apology.

Good luck :thumb:

I'm not sure he's ever actually apologized for what he's said in that regard, at least not without being specific about just how ethically horrid his "political" speech was.  Nobody involved really cares that much about Nike here.  But he was advocating to harm Nike specifically for their decision to protest China's human rights violations and forced labor in Xinjiang.

No amount of lawyers can put that genie back in the bottle.  The designer here needs to publicly and unequivocally state that what China is doing in Xinjiang is wrong, and he needs to recognize that the anti-Nike sentiment currently being stirred up in China is a tool specifically meant to manipulate its own citizens into ignoring the gross inhumanity of the CCP with regard to Xinjiang. 

He needs to name the crimes that he supported in order to apologize for them.  He needs to name the forced labor and internment of the Uighurs as evil, and he needs to apologize for being a tool in the CCP's propaganda with regard to that human rights atrocity.

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #57 on: Thu, 15 April 2021, 19:51:58 »
I don't know what all happened with you claiming to want to infringe copyrights, but I'll assume for now that you didn't say that or meant something else.

We're past that point


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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #58 on: Thu, 15 April 2021, 19:52:52 »
Kinda besides the point, but I'm pretty sure the Uighur slave cotton story was made up. The only source for it is Adrian Zenz, a guy who's notorious for making up stories about China.


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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #59 on: Thu, 15 April 2021, 19:55:43 »
/uj

The best thing you can do right now is lay low, get away for a few weeks (if not months), when the collective forgets about this controversy, then come back, but not this set. People are gonna remember this set for its controversy for a long time, and while Geekhack's memory is often short, I doubt they'll forget about this one.

Worst thing you could have done was come back a week later with the same set when the controversy is so new and basically release the same IC while not realizing what really got people pissed off at the same time.

As you can see, people are still pretty pissed (rightfully) about what you did, so unfortunately you sort of made this worse for yourself in the long run.

Others have already said that no self-respecting vendor would pick this up right now, and especially not GMK as a manufacturer. Maybe last year they would have before their legal stance change, but definitely not now. This also means vendors won't pick it up because you and they shoulder all legal costs if there is a lawsuit. Also think about other collabs you may want - none of the big ones like Rama would want to touch this set.


Nike is definitely not a company to **** with.

Sorry to say mate, but this is a dumpster fire that's gonna take quite a lot of time for the collective to forget. Get off the computer for a few weeks and come back later.
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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #60 on: Thu, 15 April 2021, 20:57:52 »
『The tentpole novelty has been changed to “武”. This word is originally Chinese and is used in other asian languages as well and it means “warrior”. I have
chosen this character to honor all my supporters and anybody else that is fighting for this set to be made.』

WTF is this bull****? Genji in Overwatch literally has 武神 on his armor, you talk so much about not trying to infringe again and yet u chose the word 武 as to
honor your supporters?? Theres literally so many words u can choose and u choose the only Chinese word that can possibly infringe Overwatch Genji with this color scheme.

lmao at honor at ur supporters and fighting for this set to be made X D

u now have chosen to **** with Nike and Blizzard at the same time. lol.

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #61 on: Thu, 15 April 2021, 21:16:27 »
『The tentpole novelty has been changed to “武”. This word is originally Chinese and is used in other asian languages as well and it means “warrior”. I have
chosen this character to honor all my supporters and anybody else that is fighting for this set to be made.』

WTF is this bull****? Genji in Overwatch literally has 武神 on his armor, you talk so much about not trying to infringe again and yet u chose the word 武 as to
honor your supporters?? Theres literally so many words u can choose and u choose the only Chinese word that can possibly infringe Overwatch Genji with this color scheme.

lmao at honor at ur supporters and fighting for this set to be made X D

u now have chosen to **** with Nike and Blizzard at the same time. lol.

I think the ninja warrior aspect might be something to do with Genji, good pickup.

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #62 on: Thu, 15 April 2021, 21:31:36 »
Also (And full disclaimer I'm not one for "keycap colour ownership") with the removal of the gradient and use of N9 for black and a green that's close to GMK's AE standard green: Isn't this now just Terminal with lighter alphas?

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #63 on: Thu, 15 April 2021, 22:54:16 »
wow i love genji so much i cant wait for this set

Genji mains unite

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #64 on: Fri, 16 April 2021, 01:17:19 »
IIRC, GMK no longer accepts IP-based/related/themed colorway anymore.

Pretty sure that goes with video games or anime, which in this case Blizzard's Genji, or even a bigger company's asset like Nike.

Please, just take your time, and come back with a fresh idea, and don't do anything stupid ever again.

You almost nailed the project but your actions sadly ruined everything.

GL :thumb:

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #65 on: Fri, 16 April 2021, 01:24:41 »
Thanks for the concerns on IP and vendors. I'm in a good place with my past vendors who have been very supportive and understanding. I don't think there is any issues with my past vendors carrying this set as long as I have no intent on infringing on anybody's IP (which I don't) then the current designs have no issues.

I've read through the drama, and I have suggestions for you. This is just some constructive criticism from my mind that I took some free time to write, so you can take my thoughts with a grain of salt if you so choose. I don't know what all happened with you claiming to want to infringe copyrights, but I'll assume for now that you didn't say that or meant something else.

There is very little chance that any vendor will want to host this set based on what happened with the first iteration. Talk to an IP lawyer, and have them verify that everything's okay. That should be the first step, and having that confirmation that nothing will infringe on copyrights (the colorway combined with the words, etc.) will possibly open up some vendors to be okay with running this. This is also for the sake of the vendors you are working with and GMK. Even if you get a vendor before doing this, you don't want to end up massively hurting them if Nike brings in their legal team.

If there is an IP problem seen by the lawyer, it will most likely stem from the novelties being loosely connected to Nike IP, especially combined with the "Technology and ninjas" theme that supposedly inspired you. The best course in this case would be to just remove the novelties. I'm sure most people are still interested in the colorway even if the novelties are there. Your novelties right now seem very haphazardly thought out because you were probably trying to cover up the obvious inherent origin of the set. Is this set about Future tech, neon green ninjas and warriors? I think your attempt to lessen any IP worries in your set messed up the basic theme, and it seems all over the place. Trying to cover up the original theme of the set while still possibly having IP concerns ("MAX","NEON", Nike font (although I don't think that matters)) won't save you if Nike decides it's time to kill. And I'll say it again, the ideas seem all over the place.

If I was in your shoes and I still wanted to run the set, I would either:

- Remove all words that could trigger Nike's legal team, such as "MAX" and "NEON" and etc.  and stick with the "futuristic ninja warrior" theme. Don't forget to change the name of the set, remove "Max"

- Remove all novelties and just make it a super clean, colorway-implied-theme set. Maybe also remove the word "Max" in the title. GMK Neon Dolch, idk.

I may be wrong, but I think the whole futuristic/ninja/warrior theme was hastily thought of to cover up IP, but if you're sure people like 'em, then why not, keep 'em and maybe make new ones to replace the risky novelties. Removing novelties also condenses the project to only 2 kits combined with 2 custom colors with no custom molds which translates to cheaper prices.

Doing all this should ease all worries about IP and open up your choices for vendors too. You'll still have to deal with the bitter drama that this set caused, but you'll at least be way better off than you were before. For what I know, you tried to make the set political in the heat of the moment, but you apologized after. Although that was a pretty bad mistake to make, you're only human and I'm sure that people can accept your apology.

Good luck :thumb:

This is kind of like when a guy gets dumped and he is like "no baby I can change I promise" its desperate and sad.
^ l o l
I hope this is worth the time for vendors. What are the chances that GMK runs this - based on their stricter policies it seems unlikely.

So... let me see if I got it right!

You had copyright problems because the set was clearly taken from Nike's IP so now you make the exact same set with slightly changed tones, say you were inspired by "green and grey"??? and we gucci because you are now inspired by colors instead of Nike's IP despite it being the exact same set?

Best of luck to find proper vendors for all regions.

/uj

The best thing you can do right now is lay low, get away for a few weeks (if not months), when the collective forgets about this controversy, then come back, but not this set. People are gonna remember this set for its controversy for a long time, and while Geekhack's memory is often short, I doubt they'll forget about this one.

Worst thing you could have done was come back a week later with the same set when the controversy is so new and basically release the same IC while not realizing what really got people pissed off at the same time.

As you can see, people are still pretty pissed (rightfully) about what you did, so unfortunately you sort of made this worse for yourself in the long run.

Others have already said that no self-respecting vendor would pick this up right now, and especially not GMK as a manufacturer. Maybe last year they would have before their legal stance change, but definitely not now. This also means vendors won't pick it up because you and they shoulder all legal costs if there is a lawsuit. Also think about other collabs you may want - none of the big ones like Rama would want to touch this set.


Nike is definitely not a company to **** with.

Sorry to say mate, but this is a dumpster fire that's gonna take quite a lot of time for the collective to forget. Get off the computer for a few weeks and come back later.

Can someone fill me in on the IP issues/drama in this set? I'm not familiar with how strict Nike is, but it doesn't look like anything's blatant. Is it not okay to connect the words "Max" and "Neon" to this colorway or something? Or is it a problem with the novelties?

https://www.nike.com/launch/t/air-max-95-og-neon-yellow pretty sure it's this but i don't care enough to look deeper


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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #66 on: Fri, 16 April 2021, 01:56:12 »
『The tentpole novelty has been changed to “武”. This word is originally Chinese and is used in other asian languages as well and it means “warrior”. I have
chosen this character to honor all my supporters and anybody else that is fighting for this set to be made.』

WTF is this bull****? Genji in Overwatch literally has 武神 on his armor, you talk so much about not trying to infringe again and yet u chose the word 武 as to
honor your supporters?? Theres literally so many words u can choose and u choose the only Chinese word that can possibly infringe Overwatch Genji with this color scheme.

lmao at honor at ur supporters and fighting for this set to be made X D

u now have chosen to **** with Nike and Blizzard at the same time. lol.

I think the ninja warrior aspect might be something to do with Genji, good pickup.


No doubt it's a Genji reference - while I trust that the novelty art wasn't outright copied, the font style is the same. It comes off as somewhat insincere how it was explained away when it's clearly a reference.

OP I think you would be better off dropping the novelties at this point. Too much risk and it's not worth the potential headaches. Seriously

Offline CoinStorm

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #67 on: Fri, 16 April 2021, 09:23:01 »
even if you ignore the train wreck this GB has been so far, the colours are off in the renders, the renders are very inconsistent and to my knowledge the novelties will still be a problem.



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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #68 on: Fri, 16 April 2021, 09:30:55 »
Thanks for the concerns on IP and vendors. I'm in a good place with my past vendors who have been very supportive and understanding. I don't think there is any issues with my past vendors carrying this set as long as I have no intent on infringing on anybody's IP (which I don't) then the current designs have no issues.

I mean, did you not basically say this the first time?

I think everyone is being entirely too nice in giving you constructive criticism over a very low effort attempt at just reposting the same thing you got burnt on because of your actions not even a week ago. This isn't an apology that your mother forces you to give a sibling after you hit them, you actually have consequences for you screwing up your set by your blatantly stupid actions. In my opinion, the sheer fact alone that you're trying to shove this through so quickly shows how utterly little you actually do care about your actions as well as the community you're trying to gain some sort of status in by shoving through a design.

Log off for a bit, mate.

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #69 on: Fri, 16 April 2021, 09:34:20 »
I mean, he's already stated he should have done a Genji novelty. Looks like he did.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/mg17qv/gb_gmk_95neon_gb_date_set_for_monday_april_5th/gss55qb/?context=3

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lol! now that I think about it I should have created a 2nd novelty set for Genji and I could cater to both crowds

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #70 on: Fri, 16 April 2021, 11:25:01 »
Agree with everyone about just dropping the idea, it has been burned forever beyond repair, best to leave it behind and look for new ideas, lingering will only hurt you even more.

Although if you do intend on going forward, this dumpster fire has been a fun read.

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #71 on: Fri, 16 April 2021, 14:36:19 »
Kinda besides the point, but I'm pretty sure the Uighur slave cotton story was made up. The only source for it is Adrian Zenz, a guy who's notorious for making up stories about China.

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Dude, no. This has been going on for a long time, and it's been reported on widely.  The atrocities are real.  This isn't just some fly-by-night accusation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide#References
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/chinas-repression-uyghurs-xinjiang
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2020/10/17/the-persecution-of-the-uyghurs-is-a-crime-against-humanity

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #72 on: Fri, 16 April 2021, 15:09:20 »
Kinda besides the point, but I'm pretty sure the Uighur slave cotton story was made up. The only source for it is Adrian Zenz, a guy who's notorious for making up stories about China.

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Dude, no. This has been going on for a long time, and it's been reported on widely.  The atrocities are real.  This isn't just some fly-by-night accusation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide#References
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/chinas-repression-uyghurs-xinjiang
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2020/10/17/the-persecution-of-the-uyghurs-is-a-crime-against-humanity

So you are saying the made up story has been out there for a long time. I'm hearing a lot of accusation but not a single hard evidence.
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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #73 on: Fri, 16 April 2021, 15:31:36 »
Kinda besides the point, but I'm pretty sure the Uighur slave cotton story was made up. The only source for it is Adrian Zenz, a guy who's notorious for making up stories about China.

Show Image


Dude, no. This has been going on for a long time, and it's been reported on widely.  The atrocities are real.  This isn't just some fly-by-night accusation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide#References
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/chinas-repression-uyghurs-xinjiang
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2020/10/17/the-persecution-of-the-uyghurs-is-a-crime-against-humanity

So you are saying the made up story has been out there for a long time. I'm hearing a lot of accusation but not a single hard evidence.

Did you really read through all 447 articles cited in the first link and come to that conclusion?
What would qualify as "hard evidence" for you anyway?

There are photographs, interviews, affidavits, videos... is it only "hard" evidence when it supports the narrative you want it to?

I know this isn't the right forum for politics, but the Uighur genocide, and the campaign of denial by the CCP, is directly tied to the fate of this GMK set.  This designer's original "intent to infringe IP" was specifically echoing actions by the CCP to deny their human rights violations in Xinjiang.

Are you really so willfully blind to this?  I know a lot of people are ill-informed, but can you look at the mountain of journalism that's covered this over the past year or so and honestly say, "no hard evidence?"

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #74 on: Fri, 16 April 2021, 16:14:41 »
Kinda besides the point, but I'm pretty sure the Uighur slave cotton story was made up. The only source for it is Adrian Zenz, a guy who's notorious for making up stories about China.

Show Image


Dude, no. This has been going on for a long time, and it's been reported on widely.  The atrocities are real.  This isn't just some fly-by-night accusation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide#References
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/chinas-repression-uyghurs-xinjiang
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2020/10/17/the-persecution-of-the-uyghurs-is-a-crime-against-humanity

So you are saying the made up story has been out there for a long time. I'm hearing a lot of accusation but not a single hard evidence.

Did you really read through all 447 articles cited in the first link and come to that conclusion?
What would qualify as "hard evidence" for you anyway?

There are photographs, interviews, affidavits, videos... is it only "hard" evidence when it supports the narrative you want it to?

I know this isn't the right forum for politics, but the Uighur genocide, and the campaign of denial by the CCP, is directly tied to the fate of this GMK set.  This designer's original "intent to infringe IP" was specifically echoing actions by the CCP to deny their human rights violations in Xinjiang.

Are you really so willfully blind to this?  I know a lot of people are ill-informed, but can you look at the mountain of journalism that's covered this over the past year or so and honestly say, "no hard evidence?"

Have you ever been to BLM or StopAsianHate protest? Since you seem to really care about human rights.
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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #75 on: Fri, 16 April 2021, 16:38:34 »
Have you ever been to BLM or StopAsianHate protest? Since you seem to really care about human rights.

You seem to be assuming that I don't care about human rights of other persons.  That is grossly incorrect, and I find your insinuation disgusting.  I unequivocally support both the BLM and StopAsianHate movements.

However, that's beside the point.  The truth of the matter is that Chinese government officials, not Chinese people in general, are perpetuating slow-motion genocide on its Uighur population (which, incidentally, is also Asian).  The CCP's atrocities are well-documented.  They are egregious.  They need to stop.

This all needs to be stated, and it needs to be stated by the designer if this set is to ever have a chance of a clean slate.  We may not have all the tools we'd like to correct the inhumanity, but the least someone of good conscience can do is to state clearly that it is happening and it is WRONG.

Even if it was just a joke, it needs to be apologized for clearly.  Genocide denialism is evil.
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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #76 on: Fri, 16 April 2021, 16:53:49 »
Have you ever been to BLM or StopAsianHate protest? Since you seem to really care about human rights.

You seem to be assuming that I don't care about human rights of other persons.  That is grossly incorrect, and I find your insinuation disgusting.  I unequivocally support both the BLM and StopAsianHate movements.

However, that's beside the point.  The truth of the matter is that Chinese government officials, not Chinese people in general, are perpetuating slow-motion genocide on its Uighur population (which, incidentally, is also Asian).  The CCP's atrocities are well-documented.  They are egregious.  They need to stop.

This all needs to be stated, and it needs to be stated by the designer if this set is to ever have a chance of a clean slate.  We may not have all the tools we'd like to correct the inhumanity, but the least someone of good conscience can do is to state clearly that it is happening and it is WRONG.

Even if it was just a joke, it needs to be apologized for clearly.  Genocide denialism is evil.

So you never been to BLM or StopAsianHate protest. But you care deeply about human rights when CCP does it (allegedly). You must support America's war against Iraq on the false wmd claim too? Bombing Muslims in middle east is fine, but CCP lifting Uighur out of poverty is evil. Nice.

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #77 on: Fri, 16 April 2021, 17:03:48 »
*Deleted. I'm staying out of this one*
« Last Edit: Fri, 16 April 2021, 17:13:38 by TheMetalDog »

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #78 on: Fri, 16 April 2021, 17:05:50 »
But you care deeply about human rights when CCP does it (allegedly). You must support America's war against Iraq on the false wmd claim too? Bombing Muslims in middle east is fine, but CCP lifting Uighur out of poverty is evil. Nice.

We're not discussing those topics.  The only one relevant to this keycap set is the atrocity being enacted by the Chinese government against the Uighurs.  Describing it as "lifting Uighur out of poverty" is just downright awful.  There's no "allegedly" about the genocide.

It's happening.  It's documented.  This GMK set designer need only acknowledge that, and then he can begin to actually apologize for what made this set such a problem.

As for you, if you continue down this path of whataboutism and personal attacks, you're supporting that evil.  Denying the well-documented and ongoing atrocity and continuing to repeat the CCP party line is hate speech.

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #79 on: Fri, 16 April 2021, 17:10:10 »
But you care deeply about human rights when CCP does it (allegedly). You must support America's war against Iraq on the false wmd claim too? Bombing Muslims in middle east is fine, but CCP lifting Uighur out of poverty is evil. Nice.

We're not discussing those topics.  The only one relevant to this keycap set is the atrocity being enacted by the Chinese government against the Uighurs.  Describing it as "lifting Uighur out of poverty" is just downright awful.  There's no "allegedly" about the genocide.

It's happening.  It's documented.  This GMK set designer need only acknowledge that, and then he can begin to actually apologize for what made this set such a problem.

As for you, if you continue down this path of whataboutism and personal attacks, you're supporting that evil.  Denying the well-documented and ongoing atrocity and continuing to repeat the CCP party line is hate speech.

> The only one relevant to this keycap set is the atrocity being enacted by the Chinese against the Uighurs.

Why? Because you decided that's the only thing relevant? OP never even mention anything with "China" or "Uighurs". Yet you feel so obligated to bring politics into this forum.
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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #80 on: Fri, 16 April 2021, 17:15:01 »
NoPun, don't waste your time on the troll. I applaud you for your patience though.

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #81 on: Fri, 16 April 2021, 17:19:43 »
Kinda besides the point, but I'm pretty sure the Uighur slave cotton story was made up. The only source for it is Adrian Zenz, a guy who's notorious for making up stories about China.

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Dude, no. This has been going on for a long time, and it's been reported on widely.  The atrocities are real.  This isn't just some fly-by-night accusation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide#References
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/chinas-repression-uyghurs-xinjiang
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2020/10/17/the-persecution-of-the-uyghurs-is-a-crime-against-humanity

Those links are quoting Adrian Zenz too. Feels like an Iraq 'weapons of mass destruction' type deal.

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #82 on: Fri, 16 April 2021, 17:24:33 »


For the benefit of others, this is the context.  The designer engaged in specifically discussing that he wanted to "retaliate" against Nike.  The fact that it's Nike matters less than the fact that currently, the CCP is encouraging people to do just that: retaliate against Nike. 

And the reason for this? Nike, like several other companies, cut ties with resources sourced from the Xinjiang region because of both the internment and forced labor.  I don't give a hoot about Nike, but "retaliating" under this context is what brought the politics into it.

And his responses show a willingness to avoid the fundamental issue at play.  He hasn't actually apologized for the core moral issue here.

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #83 on: Fri, 16 April 2021, 17:32:08 »
NoPun, don't waste your time on the troll. I applaud you for your patience though.

I'd like to see him banned for hate speech.  Denying genocide is just... awful, and it transcends "politics."  I'm pretty sure GH has a policy against such comments.  This isn't just trolling any more.

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #84 on: Fri, 16 April 2021, 20:28:27 »
Yep, this is already a dumpster fire.

Final comment on the thread: Stay away from Nike, Zara, Apple and most major brands, for even though they condemn what IS happening in Xinjiang now, when they were profiting from it, nobody spoke a word, even though they knew the crimes of the CCP way before it went public.

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #85 on: Fri, 16 April 2021, 20:54:50 »
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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #87 on: Sat, 17 April 2021, 02:14:52 »
Kinda besides the point, but I'm pretty sure the Uighur slave cotton story was made up. The only source for it is Adrian Zenz, a guy who's notorious for making up stories about China.

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GH is not best place to discuss politics, but like either it’s real or not, OP definitely believed the “western” Nike was “bullying” China, so he have to infringe Nike to revenge it.

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Re: [IC] GMK Max Neon - based on all things green and grey
« Reply #88 on: Sat, 17 April 2021, 07:46:44 »
I call this one: bold and brash.