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Offline Darknight00z

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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Updates : 30/04, GB ends in 3 days ! Almost 500 base sets !
« Reply #200 on: Tue, 30 April 2019, 13:42:52 »
Kobe let's go

Offline mark3611

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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Updates : 30/04, GB ends in 3 days ! Almost 500 base sets !
« Reply #201 on: Tue, 30 April 2019, 13:51:04 »
Just +1'd Kobe

Hoping it's close. Don't think I can go back to boring Latin alphabet at this point.

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Any update on Kobe numbers?

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Is there any way on earth to get the Wavez Orochi now?  I normally don't like caps like this, but that cap is beautiful.
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Offline EnjoyMyInSec

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I'm waiting on more updates for Kobe but it should be okay ! also we sold more than 500 base sets for wavez which is really insane and I can't thank you guys enough for that !!!

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Great colorways. This is all thanks to you  :thumb:
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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed !
« Reply #207 on: Thu, 02 May 2019, 13:57:47 »
I'm waiting on some updates of all the different proxies to have their final numbers but I can say that this GB is a sucess, and it's now closed.
We sold a lot of kits more than I could ever thought and this was really nice to interract with the community through this adventure, especially offering as many things as possible (AKA a lot of artisans ahah)

Now I just want to express myself about this adventure.

We all know that I, and this set went through so much, especially with some dramas, changing vendors, kits etc, and not gonna lie, I had quite a rough time. I probably didn't make the best decisions, like some of you told me (either in a bad or positive way) but I still tried to do my best and give as much love as I could to this set and the people that still supported me, and I sincerly thank you guys a lot, each remarks, each comment was taken under consideration and made me progress to I think, achieve a really nice project that I'm very proud off.
I really enjoyed doing that groubuy and, to be honnest I never thought I could do something like that.  I also didn't think that so many people could trust me and support me as much as you guys did, this was way more than a "group buy for me" and without all of you, that wonderfull set wouldnt be possible.

I'm getting a bit emotional writting this message, the grammar is probably terrible etc, but these words come directly from my heart, so yeah, thank you guys, I sincerly thank you from the bottom of my heart.


So many of you wanted a deskmat ? I guess it's now done, you can thank Biip for that  :thumb:



I also want to personally thank Biip and Otanishock to support and help me so much with that GB, aswell as the different proxies, you guys are awsome. :D

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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed !
« Reply #208 on: Thu, 02 May 2019, 14:04:49 »
Deskmat!!!!!


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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed !
« Reply #209 on: Thu, 02 May 2019, 17:43:20 »
And I forgot to jump on this last night. Oooooph. Hope the proxies get extras! :-[

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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed !
« Reply #210 on: Thu, 02 May 2019, 18:36:35 »
And I forgot to jump on this last night. Oooooph. Hope the proxies get extras! :-[

Don't worry extras will be avail ahah ;)

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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed !
« Reply #211 on: Thu, 02 May 2019, 18:52:42 »
Congrats on the GB opening. Hope everything goes smooth from here on out!

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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed !
« Reply #212 on: Fri, 03 May 2019, 01:12:40 »
Is there any way on earth to get the Wavez Orochi now?  I normally don't like caps like this, but that cap is beautiful.

No winners of the Keyforge raffles really know if they'll get an orochi or a shishi, since it's blind. Your best bet is geekhack classifieds or mecharket on reddit after they're delivered.
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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed !
« Reply #213 on: Fri, 03 May 2019, 03:49:06 »
Thank you to the creator of one of the best looking sets ever, EnjoyMyInSec, these things are never straight forward or easy, so I for one thank you for bringing this to life.  Also thanks for the deskmat.

Thank you fatpolomanjr for the suggestion. 

I will openly just also ask here for anyone to approach me with their Orochi once you have received it.  I will happly discuss a fair price for it if you wish to sell.  I have never felt the need to buy an artisan cap before and I have been into KB's since before geekhack started and a member of GK since 2011.  There is something just so fitting about that key with this set that I am compelled to own one.

Thanks to all and really looking to this set.
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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed !
« Reply #214 on: Fri, 03 May 2019, 11:48:41 »
Hi, congratulations for this very successful group buy. I am very excited for this kit and can't wait for it to be shipped out!

I am wondering if there is any updates on the Nano. Wavez from keebwerk. I have been refreshing on their page for the Nano. Wavez for updates but there is nothing so far, so I thought I might as well ask here for any news. Thanks.

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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed !
« Reply #215 on: Fri, 03 May 2019, 13:35:26 »
Congrats to everyone that had a hand in this project. I'm sure it will be one of the most sought after kits.  :thumb:

I'm curious to know what the final tally of numbers is?


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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed !
« Reply #216 on: Fri, 03 May 2019, 13:37:37 »
So many of you wanted a deskmat ? I guess it's now done, you can thank Biip for that  :thumb:

In for the deskmat for sure! How and when do we get one?

And congrats on the GB! Really excited about this set!

Also, do we know when the all artisan raffles ship, including the very first ones?

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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed !
« Reply #217 on: Fri, 03 May 2019, 18:24:28 »
All artisans should be shipped this month guys sorry for the lack of updates.

For the deskmats, we ordered prototypes, I'll get back to you when they'll be ready ! they will mostly be avaliable on all proxies !

For the numbers I'm still waiting on some proxies to update the numbers, but it shouldnt take so long :3 !

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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed !
« Reply #218 on: Fri, 03 May 2019, 20:17:42 »
With all the new GMK lately this one stands out as my favorite. I did get in on it. Really looking forward to this!


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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed ! Kobe update !
« Reply #219 on: Mon, 06 May 2019, 12:10:49 »
I'll have the final numbers soon sorry for the wait guys

but I can now announce that KOBE will be made !!! it's 100% sure, thank you for your support once again !  :thumb:

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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed ! Kobe update !
« Reply #220 on: Mon, 06 May 2019, 13:02:08 »
I'll have the final numbers soon sorry for the wait guys

but I can now announce that KOBE will be made !!! it's 100% sure, thank you for your support once again !  :thumb:

Excellent news! I would've been bummed if KOBE didn't make it, but I'm happy to see that everything made it. It's gonna be a fun mail day when this comes in.

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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed !
« Reply #221 on: Mon, 06 May 2019, 13:18:38 »
So sad I did not have the money for this one. DAMN YOU SA LASER!! I hope this gets run again at some point.

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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed !
« Reply #222 on: Mon, 06 May 2019, 14:25:47 »
So sad I did not have the money for this one. DAMN YOU SA LASER!! I hope this gets run again at some point.

Skipped this for Laser? :grimacing:

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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed ! Kobe update !
« Reply #223 on: Tue, 07 May 2019, 16:41:02 »
I'll have the final numbers soon sorry for the wait guys

but I can now announce that KOBE will be made !!! it's 100% sure, thank you for your support once again !  :thumb:

Great news ! I'm so glad to hear this ! 




Just join, for base, kobe, novelties and numpad !  ;D

Fantastic job !  :thumb:

Would you consider putting back the volume control keys in the novelties pack if the GB goes well, like Biip for Bento ?

And maybe more than that !  :thumb: It's up to guy guys, but I have nice things that are already planned !

Now you've got the final numbers, do you think it will be possible to pump up the novelties kit ?  ;D


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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed !
« Reply #224 on: Tue, 07 May 2019, 19:14:18 »
Any refund for base kit which reach the 500 moq?


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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed !
« Reply #225 on: Thu, 09 May 2019, 03:00:19 »
Oops. I totally wasn’t paying attention. Totally meant to buy this kobes and all >_<. Will have to snag aftermarket or extras? :P

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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed !
« Reply #226 on: Thu, 09 May 2019, 08:24:21 »
Oops. I totally wasn’t paying attention. Totally meant to buy this kobes and all >_<. Will have to snag aftermarket or extras? :P

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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed !
« Reply #227 on: Thu, 09 May 2019, 10:12:40 »
Damnit, forgot to mark the end of the Group Buy date and missed out on Kobe, but got everything else I wanted.
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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed !
« Reply #228 on: Sun, 12 May 2019, 18:54:50 »
Hi guys, sorry for the long wait but here are the final numbers for GMK Wavez  :thumb:

Numbers with extras !

Base : 525 (639)/250

Kobe : 61 (74)/100       Still will be made !  :thumb:

Novelties : 334 (391)/150

Spacebars : 216 (257)/100

Numpad : 137 (166)/100

Rama keycap : 104 (123)/100


I guess that this concludes the Groupbuy, I sincerly didnt expect that you guys will get soooooo many kits !
I’m really proud and happy about this groupbuy, I couldnt really ask for more, your support was really Insane and I can’t wait to share the samples when I’ll recieve them, aswell as interact with you guys again.

As you can clearly see a lot of novelty kit were sold, for me they’re really essentials for the set, you guys really love them and without my dear friend Biip this set would have been way different ! So thank you brother  :p

I think we also can thank GMK for letting kobe be a real thing even if it didnt pass MOQ, this is really kind from them, they didnt have to do it but its a really nice thing that they did.

Ill post update later on about the deskmat as soon as the proto will be in my hands !

I might say it a bit too much but thank you again guys, thank you for making this set a success, you are the best !  :cool:
« Last Edit: Sun, 12 May 2019, 19:00:06 by EnjoyMyInSec »

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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed ! Numbers updated !
« Reply #229 on: Sun, 12 May 2019, 21:00:05 »
Congrats!

Can’t wait for the caps!

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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed ! Numbers updated !
« Reply #230 on: Sun, 12 May 2019, 21:04:39 »
Congrats man  :thumb:
Now deskmat is up next  ;D
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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed ! Numbers updated !
« Reply #231 on: Mon, 13 May 2019, 06:11:33 »
Congratulations, very excited to put this onto a new U80 in graphite grey.
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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed ! Numbers updated !
« Reply #232 on: Mon, 13 May 2019, 06:26:51 »
Congratulations, very excited to put this onto a new U80 in graphite grey.

Exactly my plan.. Damn I thought I would be the only one  ;D  Moon + Nines = DOPE  :eek:
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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed ! Numbers updated !
« Reply #233 on: Mon, 13 May 2019, 09:20:37 »
Congratulations, very excited to put this onto a new U80 in graphite grey.

Exactly my plan.. Damn I thought I would be the only one  ;D  Moon + Nines = DOPE  :eek:

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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed ! Numbers updated !
« Reply #234 on: Mon, 13 May 2019, 09:26:32 »
Glad of having taken part in the project. Really happy on how the novelties look like <3

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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed ! Numbers updated !
« Reply #235 on: Sat, 18 May 2019, 22:03:45 »
Selling my group buy placement for
  • Base
  • Spacebar
  • Novelties

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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed ! Numbers updated !
« Reply #236 on: Sat, 18 May 2019, 23:58:27 »
Selling my group buy placement for
  • Base
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  • Novelties
Already?


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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed ! Numbers updated !
« Reply #237 on: Sun, 19 May 2019, 00:26:56 »
Selling my group buy placement for
  • Base
  • Spacebar
  • Novelties
Already?

Yeah, it's a great set but then I remembered I hated green.

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Offline wcmbk

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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed ! Numbers updated !
« Reply #238 on: Sun, 19 May 2019, 19:08:06 »
Just realised I buggered up and forgot to order a spacebar kit. Anyone want to sell me a spare 2U spacebar?

Offline fatpolomanjr

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« Reply #239 on: Sun, 19 May 2019, 19:18:46 »
Already?
Yeah, it's a great set but then I remembered I hated green.

Lol, yeah a good design will do that sometimes. GLWS.
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Offline cygnus21

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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed ! Numbers updated !
« Reply #240 on: Mon, 20 May 2019, 13:41:12 »
Just realised I buggered up and forgot to order a spacebar kit. Anyone want to sell me a spare 2U spacebar?

I got the spacebar kit and wont be using the smaller ones so i can help out

Offline DisplayERROR

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« Reply #241 on: Tue, 21 May 2019, 14:19:19 »
When is this expected to ship?

Offline blizzara01

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« Reply #242 on: Tue, 21 May 2019, 20:28:25 »
When is this expected to ship?
September I think
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@enjoy when is the expected date for color sample?

Offline EnjoyMyInSec

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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed ! Numbers updated !
« Reply #243 on: Wed, 22 May 2019, 06:51:05 »
yes it's for september approximatly.

The color samples are in the making process but since a lot of samples are in the making process its taking quite a bit to be made, I'll post pics as soon as I'll have them !

Offline DisplayERROR

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« Reply #244 on: Wed, 22 May 2019, 10:58:12 »
yes it's for september approximatly.

The color samples are in the making process but since a lot of samples are in the making process its taking quite a bit to be made, I'll post pics as soon as I'll have them !

Thanks both!

Offline phunktional

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« Reply #245 on: Sat, 25 May 2019, 17:33:53 »
yes it's for september approximatly.

The color samples are in the making process but since a lot of samples are in the making process its taking quite a bit to be made, I'll post pics as soon as I'll have them !
Will the KeyForge artisans ship with the set or before?

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« Reply #246 on: Tue, 28 May 2019, 13:04:03 »
Anyone wiling to sell me just the arrow cluster set from their novelties?
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Re: [GB] GMK Wavez Group buy is closed ! Numbers updated !
« Reply #247 on: Tue, 04 June 2019, 13:32:39 »
Any news on the wavez desk pad?


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Offline Solotov

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« Reply #248 on: Tue, 04 June 2019, 22:25:13 »
Any updates on artisans? You mentioned they should be all shipped last month?
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« Reply #249 on: Thu, 06 June 2019, 10:07:19 »
Keyporas are shipped, CYSM should be aswell, i'll ask him to be sure, and I havent heard of keyforge in a while i'll try to reach him again aswell