[GB] Sirius (100% Shipped)

[onefivenine]

Product page lin: Link - in production







Link to interest check

Specifications

- 60% POM (acetal) Keyboard
- Top Mount
- 7° Typing Angle
- 19mm Front Height
- PCB compatibility with universal 60% PCBs w/ either USB-Mini or USB-C


Kit ($225)
- POM case (HHKB / Standard / WKL)
- POM plate
- Threaded inserts
- Bumpons


Optional Add-ons

Plates

Material	Colors	Price
Carbon Fiber	Black / Silver / Blue / Pink	$30
FR4	Black	$20
Polycarbonate	Sandblasted	$40
POM	POM	$40

Internal Weight:

- Black PVD Brass ($50)
- Silver PVD Brass ($50)


Preorder deadline: May 31

Estimate lead time: Late October


Link to product pages

[onefivenine]

Update - Oct 8
- Manufacturer has shipped ~90% of boards to me (should be here hopefully this week or next week - pending import/customs/etc)
- Some remaining units require PVD re-finishing of the internal weight.
- AN-C PCBs had stabilizer 6.25U cut out issues (replacements have been ordered. See below)

What's next?:
- Units will undergo QC.
- Take this time to check your order and shipping address. (Reply to your ORDER CONFIRMATION email for verification and record keeping).
- We are not ahead of schedule just yet. If you receive a tracking number notification, this means your order is being prepared (please give us time to put together, pack, and ship your order. When your packaged is SCANNED by the carrier, it will indicate that your order is now on the way to you.)

Please reply to your confirmation email if:
- You ordered a WKL/HHKB top AND need a pcb that works with 6.25U spacebar.
- You ordered a Standard top order and do NOT need 6.25u, I can ship your order with the b-stock pcb. Otherwise, you will have to wait for the correct pcb (which are in production). A refund of $10 will be applied before your order is shipped.




Typing tests, prototype pictures:

More

Typing tests:

Prototypes in the wild:

[Signature]

Approved

[victorpre]

Already in

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[Full]

this is so tempting..

[KingOfMemes]

In for a decked out hhkb

[TuCZnak]

Does it smell tho

[KingOfMemes]

Does it smell tho

I was promised stanky stank in the IC thread. I will be very disappointed and feel cheated if I open the package and it doesn't reek

[tex_live_utility]

Debating between pink and blue CF...

[nguyenhimself]

- POM plate

Plates

Material	Colors	Price
Carbon Fiber	Black / Silver / Blue / Pink	$30
FR4	Black	$20
Polycarbonate	Sandblasted	$40
POM	POM	$40

Boy, I sure hope someone will swing by and explains to me the pros and cons if these plate materials.
I mean, we all know this will be a bouncy boi, but how bouncy is, say, FR4 vs. Carbon Fiber? Sound profiles?

[joe405]

No proxies? Shipping to Asia is prohibitive

[ian13]

- POM plate

Plates

Material	Colors	Price
Carbon Fiber	Black / Silver / Blue / Pink	$30
FR4	Black	$20
Polycarbonate	Sandblasted	$40
POM	POM	$40

Boy, I sure hope someone will swing by and explains to me the pros and cons if these plate materials.
I mean, we all know this will be a bouncy boi, but how bouncy is, say, FR4 vs. Carbon Fiber? Sound profiles?

I would like to know as well. I was told that POM is is just a tiny bit more rigid than PC but that's just based on one person. More info among all these plate materials is very much welcome for some of us.

[Rafa_n]

No proxies? Shipping to Asia is prohibitive

Yeah some proxies would have been nice. $60 shipping to Portugal 

[onefivenine]

- POM plate

Plates

Material	Colors	Price
Carbon Fiber	Black / Silver / Blue / Pink	$30
FR4	Black	$20
Polycarbonate	Sandblasted	$40
POM	POM	$40

Boy, I sure hope someone will swing by and explains to me the pros and cons if these plate materials.
I mean, we all know this will be a bouncy boi, but how bouncy is, say, FR4 vs. Carbon Fiber? Sound profiles?

I would like to know as well. I was told that POM is is just a tiny bit more rigid than PC but that's just based on one person. More info among all these plate materials is very much welcome for some of us.

Rigidity @ 1.5mm thickness:
Brass > Carbon Fiber > Aluminum > FR4 (fiberglass) > Polycarbonate > POM (acetal)

Sound (I suggest you explore these yourself):
CF: unique sound signature, would suggest youtubing videos.
FR4: same material used in fabricating PCBs
Polycarbonate: commonly used in CDs and DVDs
Acetal: used in guitar picks and turntable platters.

No proxies? Shipping to Asia is prohibitive

Are you unable to checkout?

[ian13]

- POM plate

Plates

Material	Colors	Price
Carbon Fiber	Black / Silver / Blue / Pink	$30
FR4	Black	$20
Polycarbonate	Sandblasted	$40
POM	POM	$40

Boy, I sure hope someone will swing by and explains to me the pros and cons if these plate materials.
I mean, we all know this will be a bouncy boi, but how bouncy is, say, FR4 vs. Carbon Fiber? Sound profiles?

I would like to know as well. I was told that POM is is just a tiny bit more rigid than PC but that's just based on one person. More info among all these plate materials is very much welcome for some of us.

Rigidity @ 1.5mm thickness:
Brass > Carbon Fiber > Aluminum > FR4 (fiberglass) > Polycarbonate > POM (acetal)

Sound (I suggest you explore these yourself):
CF: unique sound signature, would suggest youtubing videos.
FR4: same material used in fabricating PCBs
Polycarbonate: commonly used in CDs and DVDs
Acetal: used in guitar picks and turntable platters.

Thank you so much! 

[billbord]

@159 - is there an MOQ for this or is it definitely happening?

[KingOfMemes]

@159 - is there an MOQ for this or is it definitely happening?

Limit is 300 Units: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100501.msg2762404#msg2762404

[billbord]

@159 - is there an MOQ for this or is it definitely happening?

Limit is 300 Units: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100501.msg2762404#msg2762404

Thanks, I was curious if there was a minimum to make the project viable - looks like around 80 have sold so far.

[monkt]

@159 - is there an MOQ for this or is it definitely happening?

Limit is 300 Units: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100501.msg2762404#msg2762404

Thanks, I was curious if there was a minimum to make the project viable - looks like around 80 have sold so far.

Where are you getting that number from?

[billbord]

@159 - is there an MOQ for this or is it definitely happening?

Limit is 300 Units: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100501.msg2762404#msg2762404

Thanks, I was curious if there was a minimum to make the project viable - looks like around 80 have sold so far.

Where are you getting that number from?

Some high-powered math - the 300 max number posted in this thread minus the in-stock number here https://store.projectkeyboard.com/collections/sirius/products/preorder-sirius-1
Actually more like 67.

[monkt]

@159 - is there an MOQ for this or is it definitely happening?

Limit is 300 Units: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100501.msg2762404#msg2762404

Thanks, I was curious if there was a minimum to make the project viable - looks like around 80 have sold so far.

Where are you getting that number from?

Some high-powered math - the 300 max number posted in this thread minus the in-stock number here https://store.projectkeyboard.com/collections/sirius/products/preorder-sirius-1
Actually more like 67.

I might have been able to pull off a calculation that complex, maybe, if I had seen the stock number on the buy page. Not sure how I missed that—maybe it wasn’t there from the beginning? Anyway, thanks.

[monkt]

Not sure if this has been asked elsewhere, but does POM turn yellow over time? If so, slower/faster than more commonly used keyboard and cap plastics?

[KingOfMemes]

Not sure if this has been asked elsewhere, but does POM turn yellow over time? If so, slower/faster than more commonly used keyboard and cap plastics?

Slower than other plastics.

ABS and PBT plastic tends to yellow due to photo degradation. ABS and PBT plastics are made with a bromine fire retardant. Oxidation from other things like biodegradation (your nasty neckbeard cheesepuff hands touching it) can, and will naturally happen, but that bromine flame retardant speeds up the process AND allows the vector of UV light to catalyze a photodegradation process.

Luckily for us, Polyoxymethylene (POM) has a very low oxygen index, meaning it doesn't have some of these flame retardants in it.

[monkt]

Not sure if this has been asked elsewhere, but does POM turn yellow over time? If so, slower/faster than more commonly used keyboard and cap plastics?

Slower than other plastics.

ABS and PBT plastic tends to yellow due to photo degradation. ABS and PBT plastics are made with a bromine fire retardant. Oxidation from other things like biodegradation (your nasty neckbeard cheesepuff hands touching it) can, and will naturally happen, but that bromine flame retardant speeds up the process AND allows the vector of UV light to catalyze a photodegradation process.

Luckily for us, Polyoxymethylene (POM) has a very low oxygen index, meaning it doesn't have some of these flame retardants in it.

Thanks for the detailed response. That’s good to know, and interetsing as well.


POM is somewhat flamable, though, isn’t it? Is that because it lacks the fire retardant that’s in ABS and PBT? I would hope it’s not so flamable that something like a pcb short would be a fire danger.

[KingOfMemes]

Not sure if this has been asked elsewhere, but does POM turn yellow over time? If so, slower/faster than more commonly used keyboard and cap plastics?

Slower than other plastics.

ABS and PBT plastic tends to yellow due to photo degradation. ABS and PBT plastics are made with a bromine fire retardant. Oxidation from other things like biodegradation (your nasty neckbeard cheesepuff hands touching it) can, and will naturally happen, but that bromine flame retardant speeds up the process AND allows the vector of UV light to catalyze a photodegradation process.

Luckily for us, Polyoxymethylene (POM) has a very low oxygen index, meaning it doesn't have some of these flame retardants in it.

Thanks for the detailed response. That’s good to know, and interetsing as well.


POM is somewhat flamable, though, isn’t it? Is that because it lacks the fire retardant that’s in ABS and PBT? I would hope it’s not so flamable that something like a pcb short would be a fire danger.

Yes, I would do my best to keep it away from open flames

[neah12]

https://store.projectkeyboard.com/collections/sirius/products/preorder-sirius
Why it's free? it's really going to cost me 110$ for

case - free
weight - 50$
pcb hhkb hotswap 60$
110$ without shipping?
160$ with fast shipping to my country.
it's really that cheap?

[datfroyodoe]

https://store.projectkeyboard.com/collections/sirius/products/preorder-sirius
Why it's free? it's really going to cost me 110$ for

case - free
weight - 50$
pcb hhkb hotswap 60$
110$ without shipping?
160$ with fast shipping to my country.
it's really that cheap?

You need to select the $225 option as well: https://store.projectkeyboard.com/collections/sirius/products/preorder-sirius-1

[billbord]

Does anyone know how to safely clean this stuff? I'd hate for my grubby nubs to discolor it irreparably.

[KingOfMemes]

Does anyone know how to safely clean this stuff? I'd hate for my grubby nubs to discolor it irreparably.

Kinda par for the course. You can't stop degradation via oxidation, you can only slow it by not being an animal and washing your hands/lay off the cheetos. People have had luck using this: https://www.amazon.com/Marianna-Super-Star-Creme-Developer/dp/B00FKVYCHQ/ , but again, the oxidation releases chemicals from the plastic, so it's still going to be different then when you got it, even after cleaning.

[billbord]

Does anyone know how to safely clean this stuff? I'd hate for my grubby nubs to discolor it irreparably.

Kinda par for the course. You can't stop degradation via oxidation, you can only slow it by not being an animal and washing your hands/lay off the cheetos. People have had luck using this: https://www.amazon.com/Marianna-Super-Star-Creme-Developer/dp/B00FKVYCHQ/ , but again, the oxidation releases chemicals from the plastic, so it's still going to be different then when you got it, even after cleaning.

Cool, thank you. I may just go whole-hog and wear Michael Jackson gloves.

[Tre3Cycl3S]

Finally got myself one! I was worried I might miss out since I was out of country until today, phew!

[packleadercho]

Hi, I'm a little new to all this; would you guys recommend also grabbing the internal weight? Aside from greater stability, does it change anything? Thanks!

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[KingOfMemes]

Hi, I'm a little new to all this; would you guys recommend also grabbing the internal weight? Aside from greater stability, does it change anything? Thanks!

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Aesthetics mostly, as well as just making your keeb a thicc chunk on your desk that takes effort to move (typically a good thing). The brass weight will affect the sound, but not necessarily make it objectively better or even affect it to a point where you can hear a difference. 

The way I think about it is that I'm spending so much money on this premium keyboard... I best be maxing it out.

[packleadercho]

Hi, I'm a little new to all this; would you guys recommend also grabbing the internal weight? Aside from greater stability, does it change anything? Thanks!

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Aesthetics mostly, as well as just making your keeb a thicc chunk on your desk that takes effort to move (typically a good thing). The brass weight will affect the sound, but not necessarily make it objectively better or even affect it to a point where you can hear a difference. 

The way I think about it is that I'm spending so much money on this premium keyboard... I best be maxing it out.

Damn. I do kind of want my keyboard to be a brick on my desk. I might just have to grab it. Thanks for the info!

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[KingOfMemes]

Hi, I'm a little new to all this; would you guys recommend also grabbing the internal weight? Aside from greater stability, does it change anything? Thanks!

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Aesthetics mostly, as well as just making your keeb a thicc chunk on your desk that takes effort to move (typically a good thing). The brass weight will affect the sound, but not necessarily make it objectively better or even affect it to a point where you can hear a difference. 

The way I think about it is that I'm spending so much money on this premium keyboard... I best be maxing it out.

Damn. I do kind of want my keyboard to be a brick on my desk. I might just have to grab it. Thanks for the info!

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I would absolutely grab it. I grabbed it myself, if it makes you feel any better. You can only regret NOT having the weight.  You won't regret having it

[tex_live_utility]

Hi, I'm a little new to all this; would you guys recommend also grabbing the internal weight? Aside from greater stability, does it change anything? Thanks!

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In theory the weight should lower resonant frequency and improve the sound. With a light plastic case it might also prevent it from vibrating under your hand, but it's mostly for sound.

[dwarflemur]

In for one!

[dwarflemur]

Hi, I'm a little new to all this; would you guys recommend also grabbing the internal weight? Aside from greater stability, does it change anything? Thanks!

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People will bring up sound, but with a plastic keyboard it will probably change how easy it is to bump and move around your desk; if it's too light it will move around very easily.

[Jaxxstatic]

I NEED this.
ABS sounds good. Polycarb is great. BUT this.. this is some epic stuff.
I don't doubt at all when people say this is a front-runner for board of the year.

[minaknits]

I am already in for this, but can we get more pictures of the prototypes, and all the different tops? Pretty please? I can’t decide btwn ANSI and HHKB


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[int]

I am still thinking about getting that kit despite using small ortho boards.
So i got a few questions:
- does xd75 pcb (5x15) fit?
- how hard is to design a plate that matches the pcb/case, what tools/sw do i need (i am on linux)?
- where can i order custm pom plates (eu)?

[diorite]

Not sure if this has been asked elsewhere, but does POM turn yellow over time? If so, slower/faster than more commonly used keyboard and cap plastics?

Slower than other plastics.

ABS and PBT plastic tends to yellow due to photo degradation. ABS and PBT plastics are made with a bromine fire retardant. Oxidation from other things like biodegradation (your nasty neckbeard cheesepuff hands touching it) can, and will naturally happen, but that bromine flame retardant speeds up the process AND allows the vector of UV light to catalyze a photodegradation process.

Luckily for us, Polyoxymethylene (POM) has a very low oxygen index, meaning it doesn't have some of these flame retardants in it.

So is light the main issue? Would skin oils really be much of a problem? I'm considering joining but my hands are fairly sweaty/greasy. I wash them pretty religiously but they get oily when doing anything for a decent amount of time.

[lanyusea]

shipping to Asia is toooo expensive...

[cepate11]

Not sure if this has been asked elsewhere, but does POM turn yellow over time? If so, slower/faster than more commonly used keyboard and cap plastics?

Slower than other plastics.

ABS and PBT plastic tends to yellow due to photo degradation. ABS and PBT plastics are made with a bromine fire retardant. Oxidation from other things like biodegradation (your nasty neckbeard cheesepuff hands touching it) can, and will naturally happen, but that bromine flame retardant speeds up the process AND allows the vector of UV light to catalyze a photodegradation process.

Luckily for us, Polyoxymethylene (POM) has a very low oxygen index, meaning it doesn't have some of these flame retardants in it.

So is light the main issue? Would skin oils really be much of a problem? I'm considering joining but my hands are fairly sweaty/greasy. I wash them pretty religiously but they get oily when doing anything for a decent amount of time.

This works out for me if so. My room is fairly dim most of the time. 

[ProlificPanda]

Any option for obtaining separate tops?

[t0rk]

Did the extras sell out? GB link was posted in the IC thread, but still lists as sold out.

[KingOfMemes]

Next month is going to be spicy! I should have ordered 2

[Rumai]

Did the extras sell out? GB link was posted in the IC thread, but still lists as sold out.

I imagine the GB thread link was only posted so that discussion would move to the appropriate thread.

[Uryftw]

Any extra avail?

[wowja]

^ Interested in any extras as well. 

[dwarflemur]

Any extra avail?

^ Interested in any extras as well. 

Maybe once it ships? It hasn't shipped yet

[onefivenine]

Update in 2nd post: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100647.msg2762310#msg2762310

[onefivenine]

Note: extra units will be available once all orders have been received by customers.

Thanks everyone!

[KingOfMemes]

Update in 2nd post: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100647.msg2762310#msg2762310

Yeet, looking good. Hype for this one

[dysphorical]

Are we supposed to be getting confirmation e-mails or did I misunderstand?

[KingOfMemes]

What email address would my order confirmation be from? Searching through paypal and multiple gmails for 'sirius' or 'project keyboard' isn't bringing up any results for me.

[InvidiousIgnoramus]

What email address would my order confirmation be from? Searching through paypal and multiple gmails for 'sirius' or 'project keyboard' isn't bringing up any results for me.

You might have deleted it. My order confirmation is from contact@projectkeyboard .com. header is just "Project Keyboard," with the title "Order Confirmation".

[KingOfMemes]

What email address would my order confirmation be from? Searching through paypal and multiple gmails for 'sirius' or 'project keyboard' isn't bringing up any results for me.

You might have deleted it. My order confirmation is from contact@projectkeyboard .com. header is just "Project Keyboard," with the title "Order Confirmation".

Nah I never delete emails... literally for reasons like this. Might have gone to spam though, which gets auto trashed :\

[KingOfMemes]

Just got my shipping confirmation, yeeeeet

[KingOfMemes]

I've got a hell of a weekend ahead of me. Thanks onefivenine and project keyboards for delivering a great product in a very timely and on schedule fashion.  I was, however, promised that this keyboard would stink like hell in the true POM fashion, and it does not. 

[InvidiousIgnoramus]

I've got a hell of a weekend ahead of me. Thanks onefivenine and project keyboards for delivering a great product in a very timely and on schedule fashion.  I was, however, promised that this keyboard would stink like hell in the true POM fashion, and it does not. 

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Aw, heck. I didn't realize these were shipping out already. I need to get a PCB and switches ready soon, haha.

[MdotMaxson]

The wait is killing me

[KingOfMemes]

Had fun building mine with friends

[dwarflemur]

I'm a dumbass and lost the screws for attaching the plate, anyone know what they are?

[damagepoint]

I'm a dumbass and lost the screws for attaching the plate, anyone know what they are?

Someone that works with 159 said they're either M3x3 or M3x4, probably M3x4 but probably doesnt hurt to get enough of both just in case. 

[dwarflemur]

Rad, thanks my dude

[onefivenine]

I'm a dumbass and lost the screws for attaching the plate, anyone know what they are?

Case Screws:

6x M3-10mm Flathead Hex Screws

Black: https://www.mcmaster.com/91294A130

Brass: https://www.mcmaster.com/97595A424

Steel/Silver: https://www.mcmaster.com/93395a204

_________________________________


Plate Screws:

8x M3-6mm Rounded Head Hex Screws

Black: https://www.mcmaster.com/91239A111

_________________________________


Weight Screws:

2x M3-6 Flat Head Hex Screws

Black: https://www.mcmaster.com/91294A126

Brass: https://www.mcmaster.com/97595A385

Steel/Silver: https://www.mcmaster.com/93395A198

_________________________________


Plate/Case Inserts:

14x Brass Screw to Expand Inserts

Brass: https://www.mcmaster.com/94510a030

_________________________________


Case Bumpon Feet:

4x Round Bumpon Rubber Feet

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DU0O00W/

[dwarflemur]

I'm a dumbass and lost the screws for attaching the plate, anyone know what they are?

Case Screws:

6x M3-10mm Flathead Hex Screws

Black: https://www.mcmaster.com/91294A130

Brass: https://www.mcmaster.com/97595A424

Steel/Silver: https://www.mcmaster.com/93395a204

_________________________________


Plate Screws:

8x M3-6mm Rounded Head Hex Screws

Black: https://www.mcmaster.com/91239A111

_________________________________


Weight Screws:

2x M3-6 Flat Head Hex Screws

Black: https://www.mcmaster.com/91294A126

Brass: https://www.mcmaster.com/97595A385

Steel/Silver: https://www.mcmaster.com/93395A198

_________________________________


Plate/Case Inserts:

14x Brass Screw to Expand Inserts

Brass: https://www.mcmaster.com/94510a030

_________________________________


Case Bumpon Feet:

4x Round Bumpon Rubber Feet

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DU0O00W/

Awesome, thanks a bunch! I really appreciate it.

[Fredington]

R2?

[pott]

I got a Sirius InStock. I found the stock POM plate to be WAY too flexible.

Thankfully I protoptype all my boards with hotswap PCBs; I added some foam, which improved the feel but deteriorated the sound slightly.
The Tealios I am using are unlubed, so changing that will also improve it.

I am still considering going with a different plate though...

[thestateofmay]

Interested in this. Any future updates?

[fabijolo]

From what I've heard 159 is planning on having this board available as an in stock item, so it's definitely coming back.
You could alsow keep an eye on the project keyboards update page

Interested in this. Any future updates?

[thestateofmay]

From what I've heard 159 is planning on having this board available as an in stock item, so it's definitely coming back.
You could alsow keep an eye on the project keyboards update page

Interested in this. Any future updates?

Oh nice. Will there be any revisions to the board? I'm interested in half plate versions.

[menuhin]

Will there be a 2nd or 3rd run?

Or will there be another POM keyboard?

[nathanchere]

Will there be a 2nd or 3rd run?

Or will there be another POM keyboard?

2 years on, it must surely be time for R2 now

[VoodooBear]

Did the plate files for this ever get published somewhere?

[kw88]

I do not know where I got it
but I got it
I guess it is from discord, when the groupbuy ended

[VoodooBear]

I do not know where I got it
but I got it
I guess it is from discord, when the groupbuy ended

Thank you so much!

[rpiguy9907]

Did Project Keyboard close their Discord server? Does anyone have the Tsangan plate files?