Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 31 January 2020, 15:52:35
GMK NAUTILUS 2
Project site (https://zambumon.com/portfolio/nautilus-2)
Coming in April 2020 - Group Buy Thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105453.0)
“The sea is everything. It covers seven-tenths of the terrestrial globe. Its breath is pure and life-giving.
It is an immense desert place where man is never lonely, for he senses the weaving of Creation on every hand.
It is the physical embodiment of a supernatural existence… For the sea is itself nothing but love and emotion.”
– Captain Nemo
Someone suggested the other day that this keyset should be run again. So I figured why not, maybe there’s enough interest to warrant a second round.
Nautilus 2, as I call it, will have a very different kit structure than the initial run.
Below you will find the current version of them, some of them are not final and are thus still open for discussion and improvement.
Oblivion V2 jokes aside, what I want to know with this IC is:
- Nordic + German + UK, German + UK or just the ISO UK kit (this will depend on how well people respond to this IC and how much interest there is)
- RAMA Caps: sub Enter key?
- Explorer kit & Space bars: GMK recently added 3.00C space bars to their catalogue, would you guys want 3.00C?
Vendors
- North America: Dixie Mech (https://dixiemech.com)
- Europe: Oblotzky Industries (https://oblotzky.com)
- Oceania: Daily Clack (https://dailyclack.com)
- South East Asia: ILUMKB (https://ilumkb.com)
- Asia: Zfrontier (https://en.zfrontier.com)
Kits
(https://i.imgur.com/dRhqUrf.jpg)
The Core Kit is your starting point and provides basic layout coverage for 60%, 65%, 75%, TKL, 96-key,
1800 and fullsize layouts in both standard and winkeyless variants while keeping mind affordability.
Some notable inclusions are the accent Enter, Esc and Arrow keys, split backspace and stepped caps lock keys.
(https://i.imgur.com/R3FLBfH.jpg)
The Explorer add-on kit extends the Core’s layout coverage and provides support for 660-like keyboards
(2.25U Shift), standalone numpads (double zero and equals key), Alice-like and split keyboards (split space
bars and a second B), 88-key tenkeyless boards (F13) and 60% keyboards with arrows (2.00U and 1.00U shifts).
Additionally, the kit also includes alternative layout modifiers for HHKB, tenkeyless and other standard layouts.
A standard Tab and Backspace key have been included so in conjunction with the Core kit you could re-use
the modifiers.
(https://i.imgur.com/GAgJ4lM.jpg)
The Forties extension kit allows you to cover small form factor keyboards such as the OLKB Planck,
ION × AI03 Equinox or Prime Keyboards Prime_E.
The kit includes accents accent Enter and Esc, small space keys, and some alternative layout support
for ortholinear keyboards.
(https://i.imgur.com/S9Yqm2K.jpg)
The International kit provides full layout coverage for Danish, Finnish, German, Swedish and UK ISO keyboards.
(https://i.imgur.com/4tqPZKr.png)
The Mac Kit adds alternative layout support for MacOS keyboards with Command and Option keys.
(https://i.imgur.com/3kvnYvJ.png)
Featuring the Nautilus submarine and a set of R4 Jules, Verne and Rose of the Winds modifier keys, the Novelties
add that extra 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea touch.
(https://i.imgur.com/7ldml3X.jpg)
The Space bars kit includes accent space keys from 1.00C to 7.00C for both standard, split, and 40% keyboards.
Pricing
(https://i.imgur.com/B3B2myW.png)
RAMA × NAUTILUS
Made in collaboration with RAMA WORKS®, we'll be releasing a limited-edition keycap designed to match the
Nautilus 2 keycap set.
(https://i.imgur.com/rF3loxG.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/oIf6mq8.jpg)
The keycap, which is made from anodized aluminium, depicts the Nautilus II ship from the League of Extraordinary
Gentlemen created by Alan Moore and illustrated by Kevin O-Neill.
(https://i.imgur.com/4QtoIZA.jpg)
Zambumon Jules
(https://i.imgur.com/hX1Cali.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/wGIqnql.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/tO2x0gI.jpg)
Keycult No.2
(https://i.imgur.com/vvIabYG.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/4yBu56L.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/68in5aE.jpg)
TGR Alice
(https://i.imgur.com/6K60LsX.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/5AeL2bH.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/1FT7LSZ.jpg)
Zambumon Sar
(https://i.imgur.com/1IThfOn.jpg)
(https://zambumon.files.wordpress.com/2020/01/zambumon_nautilus_2_gallery_zambumon_sar_02-1.jpg)
(https://zambumon.files.wordpress.com/2020/01/zambumon_nautilus_2_gallery_zambumon_sar_03-1.jpg)
ION × Ai03 Equinox
(https://i.imgur.com/64QkOTb.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/1RoITLj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/u31oHzk.jpg)
wilba.tech Thermal
(https://i.imgur.com/f7tXnNY.jpg)
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Bruh the PC Thermal tho
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PM'd
Replied.
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 31 January 2020, 16:34:21
Bruh the PC Thermal tho
Looks nice.
Post by: Zeelobby on Fri, 31 January 2020, 16:34:23
Jokes aside I'd love a cool enter artisan.
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Fri, 31 January 2020, 16:43:21
A Rama enter key version of the yellow nautilus enter key would be cool. My only concern is that because it’s engraved and filled in, the large pattern might be an annoying amount of texture if that makes sense. I’ve never used a Rama enter key though, just escape keys, so I don’t know if it’s disruptive when typing. Idk I’ll literally buy whatever. Enter key. Escape key. All of the Nautilus.
Post by: Ensaum on Fri, 31 January 2020, 16:43:24
Edit: That pc thermal though. Is that a teaser I hope?
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 31 January 2020, 16:46:22
YES FINALLY. This is the set that got me into all of this, but I didn’t see it until after it ran the first time. I’m in for the base kit, Mac kit, and Rama cap.
A Rama enter key version of the yellow nautilus enter key would be cool. My only concern is that because it’s engraved and filled in, the large pattern might be an annoying amount of texture if that makes sense. I’ve never used a Rama enter key though, just escape keys, so I don’t know if it’s disruptive when typing. Idk I’ll literally buy whatever. Enter key. Escape key. All of the Nautilus.
I was considering a brass enter with a dark blue infill
Post by: equalunique on Fri, 31 January 2020, 16:47:56
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Post by: piit79 on Fri, 31 January 2020, 16:50:16
Anyway, I can finally get that 40s kit for my ortho! Thanks for including full compatibility with Preonic, too often I miss R1 Backspace and R2 Tab.
Post by: travwal on Fri, 31 January 2020, 16:51:35
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 31 January 2020, 16:53:18
Ne Colevrak?
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I don't know, it's a kit that will allways struggle to reach MOQ. How the IC does the following days will determine if I should open the question about that kit.
If I were to make it, the Typist kit would provide layout coverage for Colemak, Colemak DH, Colemak DHM, Dvorak, Workman, Norman, and Carpalx QGMLWY.
Post by: piit79 on Fri, 31 January 2020, 16:53:22
I was considering a brass enter with a dark blue infill
Would you please also consider a classic 1u R1 artisan? I'd definitely be in.
Also, I assume this will be colour-matcheed with original Nautilus so we can mix & match?
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Fri, 31 January 2020, 17:00:13
YES FINALLY. This is the set that got me into all of this, but I didn’t see it until after it ran the first time. I’m in for the base kit, Mac kit, and Rama cap.
A Rama enter key version of the yellow nautilus enter key would be cool. My only concern is that because it’s engraved and filled in, the large pattern might be an annoying amount of texture if that makes sense. I’ve never used a Rama enter key though, just escape keys, so I don’t know if it’s disruptive when typing. Idk I’ll literally buy whatever. Enter key. Escape key. All of the Nautilus.
I was considering a brass enter with a dark blue infill
That sounds fantastic. Take my money. I have a blue Rama U80-A coming my way whenever they ship, and I can't wait to make this the crown jewel of that build. This really is the set that started it all for me, so thank you for running it again.
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Fri, 31 January 2020, 17:04:35
I was considering a brass enter with a dark blue infill
Any particular color PVD for the brass? Raw brass color? Gold? Kind of selfish I would love for it to match the gold brass weight on the Rama U80-A
Post by: dyrdevil on Fri, 31 January 2020, 17:17:26
Post by: Zeelobby on Fri, 31 January 2020, 17:19:22
Post by: IMZO on Fri, 31 January 2020, 17:24:02
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 31 January 2020, 17:28:13
I was considering a brass enter with a dark blue infill
Would you please also consider a classic 1u R1 artisan? I'd definitely be in.
Also, I assume this will be colour-matcheed with original Nautilus so we can mix & match?
I would want to either make a R1 1.00U or the enter but I'm not sure I'd want to make both.
Nautilus 2 will be using the same colors as the previous round and I have instructed GMK to use the same colors that we had during the first round. The goal is indeed being able to mix and match, but keep in mind that the color matching process is not that easy and there could be slightly differences between the first and second round.
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 31 January 2020, 17:29:39
I was considering a brass enter with a dark blue infill
Any particular color PVD for the brass? Raw brass color? Gold? Kind of selfish I would love for it to match the gold brass weight on the Rama U80-A
PVD Gold finish (like the U80) would be ideal, yes.
Post by: MelonBred on Fri, 31 January 2020, 17:29:58
Post by: Zeelobby on Fri, 31 January 2020, 17:39:07
I was considering a brass enter with a dark blue infill
Would you please also consider a classic 1u R1 artisan? I'd definitely be in.
Also, I assume this will be colour-matcheed with original Nautilus so we can mix & match?
I would want to either make a R1 1.00U or the enter but I'm not sure I'd want to make both.
I'm always curious why both aren't done more often. Im not sure how often Rama caps don't hit MOQ. Is it a design aesthetic reason? 2 or 3 Rama metallic artisan accents, especially gold in color, sound like fire to me.
Post by: Zeelobby on Fri, 31 January 2020, 17:44:38
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Post by: shoobopper on Fri, 31 January 2020, 18:02:24
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Fri, 31 January 2020, 18:36:36
I was considering a brass enter with a dark blue infill
Any particular color PVD for the brass? Raw brass color? Gold? Kind of selfish I would love for it to match the gold brass weight on the Rama U80-A
PVD Gold finish (like the U80) would be ideal, yes.
This just made my day. Like others, I'd probably also buy both a Rama enter key and a Rama escape key. Maybe the escape could bring back the sextant or diving helmet from round 1 with navy infill also on gold brass? I do also get wanting the enter to stay special / not wanting to cannibalize sales of the enter key though. Excited either way!
Post by: factoryofidols on Fri, 31 January 2020, 19:36:18
Post by: clik_clak on Fri, 31 January 2020, 19:44:32
Also, what's the point of adding another 1.5 R2 tab and 2.0 R1 backspace key into the Explorer kit?
TBH, these kits don't seem very well thought out to me.
Post by: Moridin on Fri, 31 January 2020, 19:46:24
Post by: dom on Fri, 31 January 2020, 19:54:33
My only wish: White (light blue) legends on Mods as well, the same color as on Alphas.
Just like Nautilius Nightmare (Alphas & Mods legends) :)
Post by: 8six753o9 on Fri, 31 January 2020, 20:14:32
*runs in the corner to cry*
Post by: depletedvespene on Fri, 31 January 2020, 21:00:00
Post by: psxndc on Fri, 31 January 2020, 21:09:59
Ne Colevrak?
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I don't know, it's a kit that will allways struggle to reach MOQ. How the IC does the following days will determine if I should open the question about that kit.
If I were to make it, the Typist kit would provide layout coverage for Colemak, Colemak DH, Colemak DHM, Dvorak, Workman, Norman, and Carpalx QGMLWY.
I'm really glad to see that you're even open to this. I totally get that as a GB runner, hitting MOQ is a priority and that no one wants to be left holding a bunch of keycaps for alternative layouts they don't use.
FWIW, I'll throw my chit into the "please offer Colevrak+" bucket. Thank you for at least considering it instead of dismissing it outright.
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Fri, 31 January 2020, 21:24:07
Wait... mod colored `~ and \| keys aren't in the base kit... I thought you were one of us! :'(
*runs in the corner to cry*
This annoys me too tbh
Post by: nasp on Fri, 31 January 2020, 21:39:30
quickly runs to go find T0mb3ry
Edit: I'd be down for a Colevrak or typist kit
Post by: dvorcol on Fri, 31 January 2020, 21:47:58
Ne Colevrak?
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I don't know, it's a kit that will allways struggle to reach MOQ. How the IC does the following days will determine if I should open the question about that kit.
If I were to make it, the Typist kit would provide layout coverage for Colemak, Colemak DH, Colemak DHM, Dvorak, Workman, Norman, and Carpalx QGMLWY.
If you add the Typist kit, please consider adding these three keycaps:
• R3 ]} to support Wide mod shown below, which works on all but one supported layout plus QWERTY (not Dvorak).
• R4 ' " for bare-bones support of Programmer's Dvorak.
• R3 non-homing U for non-homing Dvorak. (Non-homing keycaps are already there for all other supported layouts.)
If you aren't using Dvorak, sell the R3 ]} and the R2 ' " to a QWERTY user wanting to run wide mod.
(https://i.imgur.com/9vME99j.png)
For anyone curious, there are more alternative-layout details here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=101187.msg2786467#msg2786467
Post by: snelltrail on Fri, 31 January 2020, 21:49:14
Thank you for considering the R3 1.25u Control key. Hopefully more 40s kits will start including the superior R3 1.25u key in the future!
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Post by: nguyenhimself on Fri, 31 January 2020, 22:26:49
I know for a fact that this set is super popular among various Asian communities, so I have no doubt it'll be successful.
Also: Most thankful for the Mac kit.
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Fri, 31 January 2020, 22:44:05
Post by: Katsurio on Fri, 31 January 2020, 23:07:08
Post by: shoobopper on Fri, 31 January 2020, 23:07:46
Are the colors different than R1? Is it just me or do the alphas look lighter than R1?
Probably just the lighting in the renders. Also:
Nautilus 2 will be using the same colors as the previous round and I have instructed GMK to use the same colors that we had during the first round.
Post by: Suneiv on Fri, 31 January 2020, 23:21:23
Will be inn if there is a norde kit.
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 01 February 2020, 03:42:19
Are the colors different than R1? Is it just me or do the alphas look lighter than R1?
Same
Unless I’m missing some obscure Mac needs, there is no need for an R3 Command key. Command is where the Windows key goes, next to the Spacebar. Control would replace Caps Lock, not Command.
Makes as much sense as having a R3 1.75 Control on Windows. Mac not only swaps Alt(Option) and Command positions on the bottom row, but uses Command as the default key for most shortcuts.
Core + Mac, please! Can't wait :)
My only wish: White (light blue) legends on Mods as well, the same color as on Alphas.
Just like Nautilius Nightmare (Alphas & Mods legends) :)
I'm not planning to offer alternative modifiers or alphas for this set.
Dark blue tilde and pipe keys in an add-on kit?
Also, what's the point of adding another 1.5 R2 tab and 2.0 R1 backspace key into the Explorer kit?
TBH, these kits don't seem very well thought out to me.
Read the OP:
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The Explorer add-on kit extends the Core’s layout coverage and provides support for 660-like keyboards (2.25U Shift), standalone numpads (double zero and equals key), Alice-like and split keyboards (split space bars and a second B), 88-key tenkeyless boards (F13) and 60% keyboards with arrows (2.00U and 1.00U shifts).
Additionally, the kit also includes alternative layout modifiers for HHKB, tenkeyless and other standard layouts.
A standard Tab and Backspace key have been included so in conjunction with the Core kit you could re-use the modifiers.No sextant or diver helmet novelties? I was kinda hoping to see those.
I wasn't super happy with how those turned out and felt annoying to me. I like how the enter key looks like and wanted to do something different fro the second round. I was looking for something subtle and clean that would compliment the submarine enter key, something that wouldn't distract your attention from it and text novelties are perfect for that.
Post by: sevenseacat on Sat, 01 February 2020, 04:13:03
(My Ergodox caps got cracked too but no Ergodox kit this time it seems)
Post by: Snesu on Sat, 01 February 2020, 04:29:27
Would also love to see an alternative font color to yellow for the non alphas.
Post by: vsrnth on Sat, 01 February 2020, 04:29:45
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Post by: stevenT on Sat, 01 February 2020, 04:57:51
No sextant or diver helmet novelties? I was kinda hoping to see those.
I wasn't super happy with how those turned out and felt annoying to me. I like how the enter key looks like and wanted to do something different fro the second round. I was looking for something subtle and clean that would compliment the submarine enter key, something that wouldn't distract your attention from it and text novelties are perfect for that.
I believe the symbol(novelty kit) is the signature of a set and people tend to have better image memory than text, maybe you could simplify symbol of novelties to make them less distracted.
Post by: Rexcramer on Sat, 01 February 2020, 06:09:26
Post by: dom on Sat, 01 February 2020, 09:30:05
I'm not planning to offer alternative modifiers or alphas for this set.
Respect! :)
I will grab your work as it is!
Post by: Cantello on Sat, 01 February 2020, 10:33:19
Post by: clik_clak on Sat, 01 February 2020, 10:38:35
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A standard Tab and Backspace key have been included so in conjunction with the Core kit you could re-use the modifiers.
Re-use the modifiers with what though? With another base? Wouldn't anyone that had a second base already have these keys anyways? With an R1 kit? Wouldn't anyone that had an R1 kit already have these keys anyways? This statement doesn't make a lot of sense.
Additionally, the mod color pipe and tilde are standard on every base (as far as I know) They don't benefit or are required for any of the examples you gave...They're considered base.
Post by: kwanlapchan on Sat, 01 February 2020, 10:47:19
Is there a IC form somewhere in the thread? I can't find it.
Post by: DrHigsby on Sat, 01 February 2020, 11:49:00
No sextant or diver helmet novelties? I was kinda hoping to see those.
I wasn't super happy with how those turned out and felt annoying to me. I like how the enter key looks like and wanted to do something different fro the second round. I was looking for something subtle and clean that would compliment the submarine enter key, something that wouldn't distract your attention from it and text novelties are perfect for that.
I believe the symbol(novelty kit) is the signature of a set and people tend to have better image memory than text, maybe you could simplify symbol of novelties to make them less distracted.
I super agree here. The nautilus IS the key novelty. If the nautilus was shuffled into the base kit, I wouldn’t mourn the loss of the text novelties. I could be alone here, but I think others may agree!
I’m kicking myself for not planning better for picking up nautilus round 1 or nautilus nightmares (please run nightmares in the future too!). Excited for this to run again!
Post by: Natac24 on Sat, 01 February 2020, 13:23:32
Post by: snelltrail on Sat, 01 February 2020, 15:59:22
- Explorer kit & Space bars: GMK recently added 3.00C space bars to their catalogue, would you guys want 3.00C?
Yes please. Ideally two. For the optimal Equinox layout.
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 01 February 2020, 16:27:10
This in KAT/KAM with Norde support would be gorgeous.
This is a GMK set, not a KAT one.
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A standard Tab and Backspace key have been included so in conjunction with the Core kit you could re-use the modifiers.
Re-use the modifiers with what though? With another base?
Yes, rather than have those keycaps unused.
I will join 110%, this is my dream set no doubt. The goat set for blue, forget about mizu and striker.
Is there a IC form somewhere in the thread? I can't find it.
Use this thread for feedback, otherwise you can join the discord server, or subscribe to the newsletter on the project page.
- Explorer kit & Space bars: GMK recently added 3.00C space bars to their catalogue, would you guys want 3.00C?
Yes please. Ideally two. For the optimal Equinox layout.
My doubt with that layout is that currently there aren't any custom boards that have dedicated 3.00C support (other than Equinox), it would be ideal for split HHKB and Alice-like layouts.
Post by: clik_clak on Sat, 01 February 2020, 16:54:30
Yes, rather than have those keycaps unused.
But another Core kit will already have those exact same keys. Those keys are duplicates of caps already included in the Core kit...
Am I missing something here? And if I am missing something here, what exactly am I missing?
Post by: snelltrail on Sat, 01 February 2020, 19:40:50
Yes, rather than have those keycaps unused.
But another Core kit will already have those exact same keys. Those keys are duplicates of caps already included in the Core kit...
Am I missing something here? And if I am missing something here, what exactly am I missing?
You could use them together with the alphas from another set / a standalone alphas kit e.g. Hagoromo Alphas from Oblivion, Beige Korean alphas that ran last year, etc.
Post by: clik_clak on Sat, 01 February 2020, 19:46:45
It still makes no sense to me
Post by: otanishock on Sat, 01 February 2020, 20:10:23
Post by: CodeMayhem on Sun, 02 February 2020, 01:15:35
Ne Colevrak?
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I don't know, it's a kit that will allways struggle to reach MOQ. How the IC does the following days will determine if I should open the question about that kit.
If I were to make it, the Typist kit would provide layout coverage for Colemak, Colemak DH, Colemak DHM, Dvorak, Workman, Norman, and Carpalx QGMLWY.
If you add the Typist kit, please consider adding these three keycaps:
• R3 ]} to support Wide mod shown below, which works on all but one supported layout plus QWERTY (not Dvorak).
• R4 ' " for bare-bones support of Programmer's Dvorak.
• R3 non-homing U for non-homing Dvorak. (Non-homing keycaps are already there for all other supported layouts.)
If you aren't using Dvorak, sell the R3 ]} and the R2 ' " to a QWERTY user wanting to run wide mod.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9vME99j.png)
For anyone curious, there are more alternative-layout details here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=101187.msg2786467#msg2786467
gonna say something unpopular but a typist kit with this won't hit moq. there's already 40-50 alt users that already have a colevrak kit from r1. don't understand why we would get a typist kit with a set that already got one in the past but not with a super hyped set that hasn't offered the kit in the past, like Olivia or modern dolch light?
Post by: psxndc on Sun, 02 February 2020, 01:31:47
Obviously it's up to Z and other GB runners but I think the solve is to say "look Colevrak buyers, missing MOQ a risk and it's your risk to take. If the Colevrak kit doesn't make MOQ, even if it misses by 1, you're SOL. No take backs on the other kits you buy." And then let the market decide.
As to the part about people having it from R1, there's a lot more people in the hobby now that weren't here when R1 ran (*raises hand*) so I don't think it makes sense to automatically discount running it this time.
Again, no ill will towards anyone that doesn't include Colevrak support in their GBs. I totally get the risk and the additional headaches it brings. Just saying that it's worth it to me at least to float the ask in ICs I'm interested in, even if it's ultimately shot down, so I do.
Post by: CodeMayhem on Sun, 02 February 2020, 02:08:29
I don't want to start a thing, but the "Colevrak would be great" and the response was actually part (just part) of the Olivia++ thread locking debacle, so I don't think it's fair to point to Olivia and say "well it wasn't supported there so it shouldn't be supported here."
Obviously it's up to Z and other GB runners but I think the solve is to say "look Colevrak buyers, missing MOQ a risk and it's your risk to take. If the Colevrak kit doesn't make MOQ, even if it misses by 1, you're SOL. No take backs on the other kits you buy." And then let the market decide.
As to the part about people having it from R1, there's a lot more people in the hobby now that weren't here when R1 ran (*raises hand*) so I don't think it makes sense to automatically discount running it this time.
I don't either and I don't think it shouldn't be offered bc of that, I just think it's a mistake... unless the approach is "hit moq bc we're aren't floating the extras" (bc vendors shouldn't, I saw how many colevrak kits drop didn't sell during yanbos closet)
I feel very strongly that a typist kit offered with a muted/grey-scale set would break 100 kits, but I'm afraid this doesn't have a realistic chance ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I wasn't in the hobby when r1 happened either but r1 sets that offered it are just at a huge disadvantage, we still have a hard time hitting it on sets that are offering it for the first time.
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 02 February 2020, 05:32:20
That may be true, but you’ll still have to make a mod vomit kit to make it work effectively. And if you were going to use all the mods, the second core kit would cover the other alphas.
It still makes no sense to me
The explore kit is an extension of the Core's kit, this is not a standlone kit, it will never be a standalone kit. It provides niche layout support and alternative keycaps for other layouts. Generally, someone would buy the kit because they want a stepped function key, or they have an Alice and want those split spacebars and second B, maybe they own a keyboard with an F13.
Let's say they have covered a TKL or a 65% (which are two of the most popular layouts out there) and this kit didn't have them. With the remaining keys of the combined Core + Explorer kits are not enough and just short of a Tab and Backspace of being able to cover, for instance, the modifiers of another TKL and 65%.
We have a big add-on kit and as a customer, I'd rather have the chance of reusing those mods than having them unused; specially when last year we had a bunch of standalone alpha kits-only group buys that would be unusable without another set.
ne FAQs avail :))
I wanted to keep the IC a little bit shorter this time. Writing those long FAQs for some of my old ICs was time consuming and not many people checked them. With that being said, I have reserved the first reply for that purpose.
gonna say something unpopular but a typist kit with this won't hit moq. there's already 40-50 alt users that already have a colevrak kit from r1. don't understand why we would get a typist kit with a set that already got one in the past but not with a super hyped set that hasn't offered the kit in the past, like Olivia or modern dolch light?
Just as a side note, both Colemak + Dvorak hit the MOQ of 100 last round, same with the small ISO kit we had and there are many factors why those kits reach MOQ: both kits were small (Colemak and Dvorak was much smaller than MT3 Serika's Typist; International was basically a $30 stripped version of those huge NordeUK kits) the base kit at that time was $100 (including tray, so $5 cheaper than Carbon R1), the novelty aspect of those kits paired with a set that was cheaper than what people expected it to be.
Typist and International are kits that have tradionally struggled to reach MOQ. Having issues with those two kits on top of 3 extension kits would be really hard for the vendors and I don't want that to happen. No one can guarantee that this set will have the perfect scenario where all the extension kits are well over their MOQ and these two kits are close to hit MOQ.
Knowing that this are two kits that quite often require the aid of vendors, customers that generously buy more kits than they'd like and even GMK making the kit despite not hitting the MOQ, I have to be cautious with these and for that reason, I decided that I wouldn't be offering they Typist kit at first, and even with the ISOkit, currently it's just the UK one because I'm not sure if there's enough interest for this set.
And if to be frank, given how the IC has started and how it's doing, I don't think we are at the levels of a super hyped set that could allow itself to be more permissive with kits.
Post by: Ultimatum on Sun, 02 February 2020, 07:58:22
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 02 February 2020, 08:30:27
More novelty keys plz.
More novelties will make the kit more expensive than what I'd like it to be.
Post by: equalunique on Sun, 02 February 2020, 12:59:50
Thanks CodeMayhem for your helpful comment. I didn't realize that getting a Colevrak kit for Nautilus was as simple as getting into a time machine.Ne Colevrak?
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I don't know, it's a kit that will allways struggle to reach MOQ. How the IC does the following days will determine if I should open the question about that kit.
If I were to make it, the Typist kit would provide layout coverage for Colemak, Colemak DH, Colemak DHM, Dvorak, Workman, Norman, and Carpalx QGMLWY.
If you add the Typist kit, please consider adding these three keycaps:
• R3 ]} to support Wide mod shown below, which works on all but one supported layout plus QWERTY (not Dvorak).
• R4 ' " for bare-bones support of Programmer's Dvorak.
• R3 non-homing U for non-homing Dvorak. (Non-homing keycaps are already there for all other supported layouts.)
If you aren't using Dvorak, sell the R3 ]} and the R2 ' " to a QWERTY user wanting to run wide mod.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9vME99j.png)
For anyone curious, there are more alternative-layout details here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=101187.msg2786467#msg2786467
gonna say something unpopular but a typist kit with this won't hit moq. there's already 40-50 alt users that already have a colevrak kit from r1. don't understand why we would get a typist kit with a set that already got one in the past but not with a super hyped set that hasn't offered the kit in the past, like Olivia or modern dolch light?
I mighy have used Nautilus 2 alphas to put blue Dvorak legends onto blue GMK builds like Striker and Calm Depths, but that's out now.
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 02 February 2020, 13:34:58
Thanks CodeMayhem for your helpful comment. I didn't realize that getting a Colevrak kit for Nautilus was as simple as getting into a time machine.
I mighy have used Nautilus 2 alphas to put blue Dvorak legends onto blue GMK builds like Striker and Calm Depths, but that's out now.
He probably mentioned it because you might be able to get one of those kits second hand on /r/mm, classifieds or some mechanical-keyboard related discord.
Post by: lookid on Sun, 02 February 2020, 13:52:08
And Home for R3? Some people use it on 65% or 75%
Post by: sonicdoooom on Sun, 02 February 2020, 14:18:58
Home / End for R2 / R3?
And Home for R3? Some people use it on 65% or 75%
^^ Only keys I'd be missing on my NK 65 layout. Please add!
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 02 February 2020, 14:39:45
Home / End for R2 / R3?
And Home for R3? Some people use it on 65% or 75%
Core + Explorer already have the R3 Home:
R2: Page up
R3: Page Dn, Home, Page Up
R4: End, Page Dn
I wasn't thinking about adding R2 Home and R3 End since there's already quite a decent number of options for the 65% strip.
Post by: roguesystem087 on Sun, 02 February 2020, 20:21:09
Post by: nasp on Sun, 02 February 2020, 22:20:41
More novelty keys plz.
More novelties will make the kit more expensive than what I'd like it to be.
Why not at least one r1 novelty? Many folks like to change their Esc to a novelty 1u key.
Pretty please? How much more money can one more 1u novelty add to the cost?
Post by: lookid on Mon, 03 February 2020, 02:18:46
Home / End for R2 / R3?
And Home for R3? Some people use it on 65% or 75%
Core + Explorer already have the R3 Home:
R2: Page up
R3: Page Dn, Home, Page Up
R4: End, Page Dn
I wasn't thinking about adding R2 Home and R3 End since there's already quite a decent number of options for the 65% strip.
Well, I found R3 Home key, but still personally I need Home for R2 and End for R3
And I know some people who used this keys.
For example, Mito in his sets always use this keys (laser, pulse etc.)
Dracula has both of them too (it one of all reasons why I bought it)
So, may be this 2 keys can go to explorer kit?
I'm definetely in for Nautilus, but can it be more covering if compare with first run?
Post by: Cantello on Mon, 03 February 2020, 02:34:45
Post by: bliss on Mon, 03 February 2020, 05:48:30
For me, the Nautilus novelty is obligatory. Hence, with the current mockup, the ISO variant simply falls flat in my planning.
I see a competition between
- Novelties,
- RAMA, and
- ISO
Novelties:
I would add a top row 1u novelty and an ISO enter Nautilus novelty. Then it would make more sense to get both Novelties and RAMA/ISO :thumb:
ISO
As GB runner, I would pick the variant that is more likely to reach MOQ. I personally would be fine with all ISO variants, but as explained, I'd currently pick ANSI
As it is at the moment, I would get base + novelties or RAMA + spaces.
All in all a wonderful opportunity, thank you Sir!
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 03 February 2020, 10:56:27
More novelty keys plz.
More novelties will make the kit more expensive than what I'd like it to be.
Why not at least one r1 novelty? Many folks like to change their Esc to a novelty 1u key.
Pretty please? How much more money can one more 1u novelty add to the cost?
Let me wait until I get the quotes for the kits we have here first. Ideally, I'd like to have the Novelties kit under $30 or $35 at 250 MOQ. And based on the quotes and the interest on this set, I will try to adjust accordingy.
Novelties for ISO please.
I don't think I will add an ISO-enter novelty.
Well, I found R3 Home key, but still personally I need Home for R2 and End for R3
And I know some people who used this keys.
For example, Mito in his sets always use this keys (laser, pulse etc.)
Dracula has both of them too (it one of all reasons why I bought it)
So, may be this 2 keys can go to explorer kit?
I'm definetely in for Nautilus, but can it be more covering if compare with first run?
Fair enough, I will think about it. And just for future reference, what I won't be adding (for sure) would be R2, R3, R4 Insert and Deletes. I think we have to draw the line with the Home and End.
Post by: botchm on Mon, 03 February 2020, 14:03:01
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Post by: coffeeshopcoder on Tue, 04 February 2020, 01:33:57
Blue Lume this time ???
Post by: sevenseacat on Tue, 04 February 2020, 03:58:27
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Tue, 04 February 2020, 11:34:43
We really don't need every combination of keys that people use in the right column of a 65, blowing out kit sizes, yeah.
Maybe add some R2 and R3 1u novelties? I like to use a novelty for a key when I don't have another keycap that matches whatever function I want the key to have. That could be a compromise so as not to inflate the size of the base kit with keys most people won't use, and I don't think anyone getting the novelties set would complain about having a couple extra novelty caps for other rows. At least I wouldn't. Idk just a thought.
Post by: lookid on Wed, 05 February 2020, 15:12:35
Fair enough, I will think about it. And just for future reference, what I won't be adding (for sure) would be R2, R3, R4 Insert and Deletes. I think we have to draw the line with the Home and End.
Agree with this. "Home" and "End" is enough for this keyset, no any necessary to add more "Insert" and "Delete" - they're too much in some keysets, but they're really uncommon keys.
I believe that you can put this keys into Nautilus set when most other people choosing standard keys for their keysets.
Actually, sometimes I think that "PgUp" and "PgDn" are uncommon too and I'd prefer to see more "Home" and "End" keys for different rows instead of "Insert", "Del", "PgUp" and "PgDn".
But it's only my opinion, of course.
Post by: sonicdoooom on Wed, 05 February 2020, 15:57:01
We really don't need every combination of keys that people use in the right column of a 65, blowing out kit sizes, yeah.
Maybe add some R2 and R3 1u novelties? I like to use a novelty for a key when I don't have another keycap that matches whatever function I want the key to have. That could be a compromise so as not to inflate the size of the base kit with keys most people won't use, and I don't think anyone getting the novelties set would complain about having a couple extra novelty caps for other rows. At least I wouldn't. Idk just a thought.
This is the correct option. That's what novelties are for...
Post by: amirhosein on Wed, 05 February 2020, 16:01:03
Post by: Novuna on Wed, 05 February 2020, 16:51:23
+1 for having the old novelties as opposed to text-based novelties.
Thanks for the hard work Zambumon
Post by: depletedvespene on Wed, 05 February 2020, 17:51:06
Fair enough, I will think about it. And just for future reference, what I won't be adding (for sure) would be R2, R3, R4 Insert and Deletes. I think we have to draw the line with the Home and End.
Agree with this. "Home" and "End" is enough for this keyset, no any necessary to add more "Insert" and "Delete" - they're too much in some keysets, but they're really uncommon keys.
I believe that you can put this keys into Nautilus set when most other people choosing standard keys for their keysets.
Actually, sometimes I think that "PgUp" and "PgDn" are uncommon too and I'd prefer to see more "Home" and "End" keys for different rows instead of "Insert", "Del", "PgUp" and "PgDn".
But it's only my opinion, of course.
Let us all remember that sets do need Delete on R2 (TKL and full size) and R1 (75%, 65% and some 1800-like layouts). :thumb:
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 06 February 2020, 01:52:16
Fair enough, I will think about it. And just for future reference, what I won't be adding (for sure) would be R2, R3, R4 Insert and Deletes. I think we have to draw the line with the Home and End.
Agree with this. "Home" and "End" is enough for this keyset, no any necessary to add more "Insert" and "Delete" - they're too much in some keysets, but they're really uncommon keys.
I believe that you can put this keys into Nautilus set when most other people choosing standard keys for their keysets.
Actually, sometimes I think that "PgUp" and "PgDn" are uncommon too and I'd prefer to see more "Home" and "End" keys for different rows instead of "Insert", "Del", "PgUp" and "PgDn".
But it's only my opinion, of course.
Let us all remember that sets do need Delete on R2 (TKL and full size) and R1 (75%, 65% and some 1800-like layouts). :thumb:
what if you just programmed the keyboard to match the keys you have on hand
i've never understood this need for nav keys in 15 different profiles
Post by: depletedvespene on Thu, 06 February 2020, 06:16:49
Fair enough, I will think about it. And just for future reference, what I won't be adding (for sure) would be R2, R3, R4 Insert and Deletes. I think we have to draw the line with the Home and End.
Agree with this. "Home" and "End" is enough for this keyset, no any necessary to add more "Insert" and "Delete" - they're too much in some keysets, but they're really uncommon keys.
I believe that you can put this keys into Nautilus set when most other people choosing standard keys for their keysets.
Actually, sometimes I think that "PgUp" and "PgDn" are uncommon too and I'd prefer to see more "Home" and "End" keys for different rows instead of "Insert", "Del", "PgUp" and "PgDn".
But it's only my opinion, of course.
Let us all remember that sets do need Delete on R2 (TKL and full size) and R1 (75%, 65% and some 1800-like layouts). :thumb:
what if you just programmed the keyboard to match the keys you have on hand
Imagine if the keyboards came in a standard form factor, a standard physical layout, and a standard logical layout on top, so everyone could know exactly what key went where.
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 06 February 2020, 12:14:10
Nice ! I’d like the submarine themed Rama enter !!
Ideally, my plan would be to make either a brass or (if possible) an yellow e-coat enter key, both of those with a navy infill.
We really don't need every combination of keys that people use in the right column of a 65, blowing out kit sizes, yeah.
That's why the Core kit is as small as possible and many of those alternative keys that would blow out its size are on extension kits, where we could be more specific.
This is the correct option. That's what novelties are for...
If that was my intention with the Explorer kit, I'd would have been better just to offer a Core kit with novelty modifiers. However, the goal of the kit is to offer specific alternative layout support and extra coverage, so it is understandable that the R2 and R3 Home/End keys could be requested and considered for the kit.
Definitely interested!
+1 for having the old novelties as opposed to text-based novelties.
Thanks for the hard work Zambumon
Regarding the text vs old novelties, from a prior comment:
I wasn't super happy with how those turned out and felt annoying to me. I like how the enter key looks like and wanted to do something different for the second round. I was looking for something subtle and clean that would compliment the submarine enter key, something that wouldn't distract your attention from it and text novelties are perfect for that.
what if you just programmed the keyboard to match the keys you have on hand
i've never understood this need for nav keys in 15 different profiles
How people use the nav cluster heavily depends on each user, so with with 65% and 75% keyboards people started arranging them based on their personal preference. I've included those keys for the very same reason why 40s kits have multiple profiles for tab, esc and enter keys which is how I describe the kit: "alternative layouts" support.
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Thu, 06 February 2020, 12:52:51
Nice ! I’d like the submarine themed Rama enter !!
Ideally, my plan would be to make either a brass or (if possible) an yellow e-coat enter key, both of those with a navy infill.
Admittedly I am biased because brass would match my board, but also brass definitely lets you know the key is metal more than e-coat, which kind of just looks like plastic from a distance. An e-coat Rama enter would look really similar to the GMK novelty enter. Also color matching the e-coat and the ABS might be a struggle.
Post by: botchm on Thu, 06 February 2020, 18:06:22
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/topic?share_fid=2190&share_tid=104531&url=https%3A%2F%2Fgeekhack%2Eorg%2Findex%2Ephp%3Ftopic%3D104531&share_type=t&link_source=app would be so
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Post by: otanishock on Thu, 06 February 2020, 23:02:45
(https://i.imgur.com/qEfBy58.jpg)
Post by: botchm on Fri, 07 February 2020, 05:19:54
Kit looks fantastic! And love the textmodsnovelties! My daily driver and I are both very ready for this drop :)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/qEfBy58.jpg)
Beautiful what’s keycaps?
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Post by: Kawamashi on Fri, 07 February 2020, 05:57:34
Post by: sevenseacat on Sat, 08 February 2020, 01:37:32
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 08 February 2020, 03:56:00
A render of these key caps on [IC] Evolv - 75% Keyboard
I don't have the model and that keyboard uses a 1.50U Shift key, which I don't have plans to offer.
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 08 February 2020, 09:22:52
Post by: hound on Tue, 11 February 2020, 06:06:48
Post by: riggsenator on Tue, 11 February 2020, 19:17:50
Post by: LXVRGS on Tue, 11 February 2020, 20:44:37
What about the diving bell and sextant? Really wanted those novelties as part of the set. Please consider including them in the rerelease. Definitely interested in a Rama enter or escape key.
read the thread they arent coming back
Post by: riggsenator on Wed, 12 February 2020, 09:05:47
What about the diving bell and sextant? Really wanted those novelties as part of the set. Please consider including them in the rerelease. Definitely interested in a Rama enter or escape key.
read the thread they arent coming back
thanks but I thought it wouldn't hurt to add my two cents. still going to get in on the group buy. so excited that this set is coming back ;D
Post by: Ginza on Thu, 13 February 2020, 03:20:56
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Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 13 February 2020, 06:05:16
I already have the 1st run of Nautilus in GMK but I would love a SA version. Is that going to run anytime soon?No.
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 15 February 2020, 14:24:14
European keyset enthusiasts and Nautilus fans, we have some great news for you:
Oblotzky Industries (https://oblotzky.com) will be the European group buy host for Nautilus 2
You can read more about it here (https://zambumon.com/2020/02/15/oblotzky-industries-to-host-the-european-group-buy-for-nautilus-2/)
Post by: MythicCynic on Sat, 15 February 2020, 14:35:46
The kit update works great for me since it'll work out on my KOYU without having to buy an extra kit just for like 3 keys. The 3.00C caps I don't think I've really seen a use for. I feel like those might not work well as a separate kit unless the MOQ is quite low since its such a specific item.
I'm definitely super disappointed its coming back in GMK and not SA and that the sextant and bell were removed for this run but I love this set and the colors so much that I'm definitely going to be getting in on it anyway. Anyway thats just my own 2 cents
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Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 17 February 2020, 02:25:50
I would love to see a new deskpad this time around. The existing Novelkeys Deskpad (http://"https://novelkeys.xyz/products/nautilus-deskpads?variant=19441814896733") is nice but the red seems excessive as there's only one red key and most people don't use it.
I'd recommend using instead either the (https://novelkeys.xyz/products/zambumon-hexagon-deskpads?variant=31754586914909]http://Hexagon Blue) or (https://novelkeys.xyz/products/bento-deskpads?variant=28998542426205]http://Bento Deskpads). I have been using the Hexagon Blue one and I couldn't be happier with how it looks.
It feels like the novelties kit has too few keys.
Jamón had a similar sized kit (Pata Negra) and honestly it had the perfect size and price. I might add a couple more text novelties, but I don't want to end up with a huge expensive kit.
Post by: shoobopper on Mon, 17 February 2020, 15:19:48
I'd recommend using instead either theShow Image(https://novelkeys.xyz/products/zambumon-hexagon-deskpads?variant=31754586914909]http://Hexagon Blue)orShow Image(https://novelkeys.xyz/products/bento-deskpads?variant=28998542426205]http://Bento Deskpads). I have been using the Hexagon Blue one and I couldn't be happier with how it looks.
Yep I was looking at the Hexagon Blue or the MP-R1 Ocean (https://percent.studio/products/mousepad?variant=30044923461696) Deskpads currently but was hoping for a more theme specific one. Anyways, just a suggestion! :D
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 18 February 2020, 17:26:17
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 19 February 2020, 04:36:46
Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but would you consider forgoing the numpad sublegends for a cleaner look?
Dropping numpad sublegends is something I've been thinking about for a while. It would solve some of the aesthetic issues I had with reversed numpads (EXT65) and it would also give R1 owners an extra reason to get Nautilus 2. I don't think it would be a dealbreaker to drop those legends.
(https://i.imgur.com/novXuKo.jpg)
This is what I'm talking about when flipping/reversing the numpad
Post by: Zeelobby on Wed, 19 February 2020, 04:51:45
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Post by: pcire on Thu, 20 February 2020, 00:19:38
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Thu, 20 February 2020, 00:45:41
I’m sucker for novelties, but can’t get myself to pay for “text novelties”. Especially when the set theme’s is perfect for some sick novelties (it doesn’t have to be r1 novelties)
My thoughts are similar. I’m definitely getting the Rama enter, so I’ll have no need for the abs novelty enter keys. Considering the less than exciting text novelties and the lack of R1 novelties, I can’t see myself purchasing the novelties kit in its current configuration. Rather, I will be purchasing the base and Mac kits, in addition to any Rama offerings.
Post by: Zeelobby on Thu, 20 February 2020, 04:51:06
Gotta 3rd this. The text novelties seem... Odd. I liked the r1 ones. Even better would be some of the nightmares novelties redone in the Nautilus colorset.I’m sucker for novelties, but can’t get myself to pay for “text novelties”. Especially when the set theme’s is perfect for some sick novelties (it doesn’t have to be r1 novelties)
My thoughts are similar. I’m definitely getting the Rama enter, so I’ll have no need for the abs novelty enter keys. Considering the less than exciting text novelties and the lack of R1 novelties, I can’t see myself purchasing the novelties kit in its current configuration. Rather, I will be purchasing the base and Mac kits, in addition to any Rama offerings.
Post by: stevenT on Thu, 20 February 2020, 22:12:33
well this is Zambumon ic, I doubt that novelties will change; you can vote with your wallet during the gbGotta 3rd this. The text novelties seem... Odd. I liked the r1 ones. Even better would be some of the nightmares novelties redone in the Nautilus colorset.I’m sucker for novelties, but can’t get myself to pay for “text novelties”. Especially when the set theme’s is perfect for some sick novelties (it doesn’t have to be r1 novelties)
My thoughts are similar. I’m definitely getting the Rama enter, so I’ll have no need for the abs novelty enter keys. Considering the less than exciting text novelties and the lack of R1 novelties, I can’t see myself purchasing the novelties kit in its current configuration. Rather, I will be purchasing the base and Mac kits, in addition to any Rama offerings.
Post by: Zeelobby on Thu, 20 February 2020, 22:14:35
True. Kind of the point of an IC. To gather feedback. Whether he acts on it is up to him, sure. But it doesn't hurt.well this is Zambumon ic, I doubt that novelties will change; you can vote with your wallet during the gbGotta 3rd this. The text novelties seem... Odd. I liked the r1 ones. Even better would be some of the nightmares novelties redone in the Nautilus colorset.I’m sucker for novelties, but can’t get myself to pay for “text novelties”. Especially when the set theme’s is perfect for some sick novelties (it doesn’t have to be r1 novelties)
My thoughts are similar. I’m definitely getting the Rama enter, so I’ll have no need for the abs novelty enter keys. Considering the less than exciting text novelties and the lack of R1 novelties, I can’t see myself purchasing the novelties kit in its current configuration. Rather, I will be purchasing the base and Mac kits, in addition to any Rama offerings.
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 21 February 2020, 02:34:13
We sould have a kit update either by the end of this week or next week.
Post by: sevenseacat on Fri, 21 February 2020, 17:25:54
well this is Zambumon ic, I doubt that novelties will change; you can vote with your wallet during the gbTrue. Kind of the point of an IC. To gather feedback. Whether he acts on it is up to him, sure. But it doesn't hurt.
Some people use ICs as more of a hype check than an interest check.
Post by: Zeelobby on Sat, 22 February 2020, 08:05:00
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 22 February 2020, 08:30:08
Noticed on your site, rose of the winds being added to novelties? I like it. Makes the novelties a better buy for me!
You found the update right before I was going to post it here ^-^
Kit update!
TL;DR: I have updated some of the kits. Dropped the numpad sublegends on the Core kit, expanded the ISO layout coverage to Danish, Finnish, German and Swedish and replaced the "Nemo" with a Rose of the Winds novelty.
If you want to know exactly how the kits have changed and why I have written a blog post going into detail about them: https://zambumon.com/2020/02/21/nautilus-2-kit-updates/
(https://i.imgur.com/dRhqUrf.jpg)
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Post by: andtar2 on Sat, 22 February 2020, 09:32:54
Noticed one small thing in the kit image: there are two identical keys of "* + ~" and "^ ¨ ~"-key is missing.
Post by: Ensaum on Sat, 22 February 2020, 09:39:06
Post by: clik_clak on Sat, 22 February 2020, 09:50:45
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 22 February 2020, 10:19:00
Woohoo! International Kit! Thank you! :)
Noticed one small thing in the kit image: there are two identical keys of "* + ~" and "^ ¨ ~"-key is missing.
Thanks for catching that, forgot to swap that one when rendering :(
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Sat, 22 February 2020, 10:32:47
Noticed on your site, rose of the winds being added to novelties? I like it. Makes the novelties a better buy for me!
Same. I’ll likely now get the novelties as well. Thank you for listening to feedback, Zambumon!!
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 22 February 2020, 10:47:32
(https://i.imgur.com/S9Yqm2K.jpg)
Post by: keyberzerker on Sat, 22 February 2020, 12:48:50
FixedShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/S9Yqm2K.jpg)
Not including YUGO ISO ... SMH
Post by: nasp on Sat, 22 February 2020, 15:08:51
Noticed on your site, rose of the winds being added to novelties? I like it. Makes the novelties a better buy for me!
Same. I’ll likely now get the novelties as well. Thank you for listening to feedback, Zambumon!!
Ditto. The kit's not as good as it could be, but the added image novelty is much better than the text novelty it is replacing.
Thanks Zambunny!
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 22 February 2020, 16:03:54
FixedShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/S9Yqm2K.jpg)
Not including YUGO ISO ... SMH
(https://media.giphy.com/media/l4Ki2obCyAQS5WhFe/giphy.gif)
Post by: piit79 on Sat, 22 February 2020, 17:34:04
You found the update right before I was going to post it here ^-^
Kit update!
Awesome updates! I was also underwhelmed by the text novelties, very happy with the changes.
I might not be able to justify another base kit, but I can't wait to complete my R1 set with 40s, new novelties and spacebars kits.
Also, still keeping my hopes up for an R1 1u Rama artisan, perhaps also brass. Why not offer it alongside the Enter key? I bet there are plenty of people who can't use a 2.25u Enter key but who would love a matching Rama cap...
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Sat, 22 February 2020, 21:35:48
You found the update right before I was going to post it here ^-^
Kit update!
Awesome updates! I was also underwhelmed by the text novelties, very happy with the changes.
I might not be able to justify another base kit, but I can't wait to complete my R1 set with 40s, new novelties and spacebars kits.
Also, still keeping my hopes up for an R1 1u Rama artisan, perhaps also brass. Why not offer it alongside the Enter key? I bet there are plenty of people who can't use a 2.25u Enter key but who would love a matching Rama cap...
If we can only have one, I'd definitely prefer the brass Nautilus Rama enter with navy infill because of how cool it would be, but I would probably buy both Rama caps if there were also an R1 1u because I have no self control.
Post by: lookid on Sun, 23 February 2020, 04:00:48
very sad, I believed in that 'til the end.
Post by: bliss on Sun, 23 February 2020, 05:47:51
Looking forward to Oblotzky Industries, please do not understaff like it is so commonplace, for your sake and your customers' :thumb:
Post by: Zeelobby on Sun, 23 February 2020, 07:09:05
Looking forward to Oblotzky Industries, please do not understaff like it is so commonplace, for your sake and your customers' :thumb:
Where'd I miss this?
Post by: Oblotzky on Sun, 23 February 2020, 08:01:18
Looking forward to Oblotzky Industries, please do not understaff like it is so commonplace, for your sake and your customers' :thumb:
Where'd I miss this?
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/IOwjcNk.jpg)
European keyset enthusiasts and Nautilus fans, we have some great news for you:
Oblotzky Industries (https://oblotzky.com) will be the European group buy host for Nautilus 2
You can read more about it here (https://zambumon.com/2020/02/15/oblotzky-industries-to-host-the-european-group-buy-for-nautilus-2/)
;)
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 23 February 2020, 11:39:29
no R2 Home and R3 End even at ext. kit?
very sad, I believed in that 'til the end.
I decided that it would be best to leave both the Explorer and Forties kits as they are right now. The kit sizing and price point are on point to what I was aiming for, adding more keys wouldn't be ideal.
New kits are great! - Wait what, no R3 \| for US ISO?
No plans on adding back the US ISO layout support.
Post by: heliar_mk on Sun, 23 February 2020, 17:32:38
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 23 February 2020, 17:38:01
Don’t know why the explore kit have a r1 2u bs and r2 1.5u tab, as the base kit has these already.
As explained in the OP.
Quote
A standard Tab and Backspace key have been included so in conjunction with the Core kit you could re-use
the modifiers.
Post by: thornkin on Mon, 24 February 2020, 01:59:36
Post by: Zeelobby on Mon, 24 February 2020, 03:20:37
Some of the renders show sublegends on the numpad. Others do not. Will there be sublegends or just the numbers?In the update. No sublegends anymore.
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 24 February 2020, 06:58:38
Some of the renders show sublegends on the numpad. Others do not. Will there be sublegends or just the numbers?
No sublegends, I couldn't update all the renders in time, so the Sar ones are outdated :(
You can read more about the kit changes here: https://zambumon.com/2020/02/21/nautilus-2-kit-updates/
Post by: thornkin on Mon, 24 February 2020, 11:17:42
Laser ALT sporting red Sky Pandas
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 25 February 2020, 06:18:21
Thanks for the explanation. I wanted to use this on a cypher which makes sublegends pretty useful. Guess I'll look elsewhere.
If you are interested on numpad sublegends, you could just get a round 1 set. The colors and profile will be the same as Nautilus 2.
Post by: bliss on Tue, 25 February 2020, 07:15:47
No plans on adding back the US ISO layout support.I appreciate your sense of direction - no sarcasm here.
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 26 February 2020, 09:54:29
Post by: D3LTA on Wed, 26 February 2020, 13:16:41
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 26 February 2020, 14:03:20
There seemed to be a lot of discussion on the possibility of adding a colevrak+ kit earlier but I didn't see a decision. Will you be adding a kit for this?
No.
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 02 March 2020, 10:04:26
RAMA × Nautilus Novelty Keycap
Made in collaboration with RAMA WORKS®, we'll be releasing a limited-edition keycap designed to match the Nautilus 2 keycap set.
(https://i.imgur.com/seLsYj6.jpg)
The keycap, which is made from anodized aluminium, depicts the Nautilus II ship from the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen created by Alan Moore and illustrated by Kevin O-Neill.
(https://i.imgur.com/vV9tslx.jpg)
Technical Specs
- Bead-blasted aluminium. Anodized finish.
- Dark enamel infill.
- Cherry profile
- Row 3 2.25U size (ANSI Enter)
- Compatible with MX switches and clones
(https://i.imgur.com/4QtoIZA.jpg)
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Mon, 02 March 2020, 10:30:40
Post by: shoobopper on Mon, 02 March 2020, 10:37:53
I like the novelty kit additions though! Will probably be buying 2 kits for when 1 shines. :thumb:
Post by: Zeelobby on Mon, 02 March 2020, 10:45:47
Post by: Zeelobby on Mon, 02 March 2020, 10:46:04
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Mon, 02 March 2020, 12:57:57
Please no yellow coat. Like the brass standout. Infill of a color is fine.
Agreed. Pleaseeeee no yellow coat. Aluminum and infill color are fine, though I was also hoping for brass and navy.
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 02 March 2020, 13:22:02
Was expecting a navy infill due to your previous posts and would probably prefer a yellow e-coating over both.
We wouldn't get a perfect match with yellow e-coating and if I wanted that I'd rather get a novelty pack instead.
Please no yellow coat. Like the brass standout. Infill of a color is fine.
It's a milled aluminium keycap. Brass would be too heavy and problematic.
Agreed. Pleaseeeee no yellow coat. Aluminum and infill color are fine, though I was also hoping for brass and navy.
The black infill works with the set and makes the cap more versatile. I can see myself using it with sets such as WOB.
And when we getting a mat of that illustration? Lol
That could be possible.
Post by: thornkin on Tue, 03 March 2020, 02:52:58
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 03 March 2020, 03:43:28
No Vim this time?
No.
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 03 March 2020, 10:30:01
GMK Nautilus 2 Pricing
(https://i.imgur.com/uKgEDRf.png)
Post by: kilogeno on Tue, 03 March 2020, 13:09:04
Post by: noorejji on Tue, 03 March 2020, 16:41:18
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 03 March 2020, 17:12:25
Is Oblotzky pricing including EU tax? If so I trust that he'll subtract it if shipped outside of EU in Europe.
Pricing includes Germany's 19% VAT
Post by: f1 on Wed, 04 March 2020, 01:53:42
I mean, even my Evernote bot started telling me I might be going a bit overboard with the "research" into what caps to buy next. So many notes. So many webpage clips. I bought Vernier Calipers for crying out loud!
And then I discovered it, ventured into it, and before long, sir, you too will have passed through my credit card statement.
Now, Wait a few months, our lantern will be lit, and, if you like light blue and yellow places, you will be satisfied.
Mobilis in Mobile kind man, Mobilis in Mobile indeed.
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 10 March 2020, 10:39:50
(https://i.imgur.com/B3B2myW.png)
Post by: Zeelobby on Tue, 10 March 2020, 10:42:12
Post by: dom on Tue, 10 March 2020, 11:04:23
Kits' group buy pricing for all regions:
Approved! :thumb:
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 10 March 2020, 11:57:39
Pretty solid pricing.
Yep, on point to what I was expecting them to be.
Post by: batdog on Tue, 10 March 2020, 12:50:29
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 10 March 2020, 12:55:48
Post by: Traveler on Sat, 14 March 2020, 21:49:16
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 23 March 2020, 14:16:30
NAUTILUS 2 ORDERS OPEN IN JUST 10 DAYS
Save the date, Nautilus 2 group buy starts on April 2nd and we have one final update right before the group buy starts: Space Cables will be making some awesome themed cables!
(https://i.imgur.com/kC6KTNW.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/4KD2LW4.png)
Post by: Azurewrath on Fri, 27 March 2020, 13:46:14
Anyway, i'd be in for Core+Explorer+International. Maybe even two sets each... we'll see. :)
Post by: Zambumon on Fri, 27 March 2020, 13:48:13
From all i've read it looks like all the kits listed on the first page will be available to buy already anyway? Correct me if i'm wrong. :)
Anyway, i'd be in for Core+Explorer+International. Maybe even two sets each... we'll see. :)
Yes, those kits are final.
The kits will be available for pre-order from April 2, 2020 to May 5, 2020. Then, the order will be submitted to the GMK. The expected shipping date should be Q1 2021
Post by: HerrGartenzwerg on Sat, 28 March 2020, 09:24:04
Regardless of any MOQ?
Post by: Zambumon on Sat, 28 March 2020, 19:26:54
Will all kits be made, specificaly the International kit?
Regardless of any MOQ?
Kits need to hit MOQ to get made.
Post by: Azurewrath on Sun, 29 March 2020, 00:45:09
(As an example, the other kits would be useless to me without the international kit.)
Post by: big_tuna on Mon, 30 March 2020, 06:09:36
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Mon, 30 March 2020, 11:44:28
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 30 March 2020, 13:15:17
Can you tell us how high the MOQ is? And will we be able to pre-order with the condition that all ordered kits are actually made?
(As an example, the other kits would be useless to me without the international kit.)
50 units for International. I can't guarantee that all the kits are actually made, that's why group buys have minimum order quantities.
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Mon, 30 March 2020, 16:17:23
Can you tell us how high the MOQ is? And will we be able to pre-order with the condition that all ordered kits are actually made?
(As an example, the other kits would be useless to me without the international kit.)
50 units for International. I can't guarantee that all the kits are actually made, that's why group buys have minimum order quantities.
You could always wait to order until some numbers are posted. I'm sure we'll know when MOQ is met for the various kits.
Post by: Cantello on Tue, 31 March 2020, 01:58:31
You could always wait to order until some numbers are posted. I'm sure we'll know when MOQ is met for the various kits.Wouldn‘t that be counter-productive? If everyone who intends to order a ‚niche‘ kit waits until MOQ is met then the MOQ will probably not be met at all... 🤔
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 31 March 2020, 07:14:28
You could always wait to order until some numbers are posted. I'm sure we'll know when MOQ is met for the various kits.Wouldn‘t that be counter-productive? If everyone who intends to order a ‚niche‘ kit waits until MOQ is met then the MOQ will probably not be met at all... 🤔
Correct, that is counterproductive. Don't wait to the very last day. If you want the set and are concerned about any of the kits' MOQ, order as soon as possible.
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 31 March 2020, 17:00:01
We have one last update before launch.
First of all, huge apologies for such late notice regarding this kit. We were expecting to receive the quotes for this kit some weeks ago but due to the on-going events, communication has been slow lately.
So, extra-large space bars has been a pending topic on my list for many years. Vintage keyboard enthusiasts have been unable to cover their boards due to the lack of them and I'm happy to announce that GMK Nautilus 2 will be the first set to solve this issue.
In collaboration with HINEY.CC, we have developed the "Super Space Bars kit", which provides layout coverage for vintage keyboards with 8.00, 10.00 and 12.00U space bars.
Needless to say, due to the complexity of these keys, the kit costs $35 with a 150 MOQ, but we are confident that we can reach those numbers.
(https://i.imgur.com/YyRAt1C.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/ua8lYsA.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/M6vxDHO.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/hSG2Omw.jpg)
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 31 March 2020, 17:05:28
NAUTILUS_TWO_SPACE_BRAS
NAUTILUS_TWO_SUPER_SPACE_BRAS
Post by: Oblotzky on Tue, 31 March 2020, 17:25:07
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 31 March 2020, 17:36:05
What does '8.00C', '10.00C' etc mean? Do you have more useful measurements like inches? And how many ounces do these weigh? I have to make sure my switch for the spacebar has the correct spring weight in it.
161.5 mm/6.36"
189.6 mm/7.46"
227.6 mm/8.96"
I recommend using 100g, 120g and 180g bottom out springs for these.
Post by: Ensaum on Tue, 31 March 2020, 18:03:29
What does '8.00C', '10.00C' etc mean? Do you have more useful measurements like inches? And how many ounces do these weigh? I have to make sure my switch for the spacebar has the correct spring weight in it.
161.5 mm/6.36"
189.6 mm/7.46"
227.6 mm/8.96"
I recommend using 100g, 120g and 180g bottom out springs for these.
Seems reasonable :thumb:
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Tue, 31 March 2020, 18:11:50
Post by: greit on Wed, 01 April 2020, 14:58:46
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 01 April 2020, 15:39:39
Very cool set, and I really like that you've included the international kit. When will the European site be live?
April 2nd
Post by: big_tuna on Thu, 02 April 2020, 02:20:15
Post by: f1 on Thu, 02 April 2020, 05:41:21
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 02 April 2020, 10:26:24
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 06 April 2020, 12:21:15
Head over to https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105453.0