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Keyset looks looks very bland imho.
Modifiers are just colourful Tetris pieces without much effort or thought to it.
Don't like it at all sorry
Yeah please don't.No, I will, try and stop me :)
This is like dots but betterThanks for the compliment. Dots stands on its own as one of the first ones to break the mold of typical GMK designs, and I'm just following in its path.
Keyset looks looks very bland imho.I couldn't find a way to balance all the varied colours of the blocks (they have a specific colour system to be true to theme) without using a black background. I'm open to feedback on how to improve the modifiers if you've got any suggestions.
Modifiers are just colourful Tetris pieces without much effort or thought to it.
Don't like it at all sorry
I kinda wish alphas were more... interesting?Thanks! The initial concept was with Latin alphas, to let the mods standout, because I didn't want the alphas to compete with the colour modifiers. I'm open to other ideas of trialling other alphas if needed, or reverting back to Latin as core.
But I love mods!
No thanks, I am not interestedAll good. Thanks for letting me know your disinterest.
I hate this more than I hate myself.You should go and love yourself ;D
Keyset looks looks very bland imho.
Modifiers are just colourful Tetris pieces without much effort or thought to it.
Don't like it at all sorry
You not liking it is one thing. but honestly the rest of your comment and analysis of the set is what took little to no effort and a lot of self entitlement.
The full post came in with what would be expected of a well put together IC and the blocks seem to be well designed, colour combined and some renders thrown into the mix as well, so not sure if your requirement for more effort is being confused with simply not liking the set. In any case, bit of an undeserved comment.
I like the set, imo, i would prefer to just buy the mods and Latin alphas since i don't own GMK wob and would use with some sort of mod set anyway. With this i would suggest to make the mods a separate pack.
Good work on the IC, will be looking forward to how this progresses.
What's wrong with giving my opinion on a keyset?Keyset looks looks very bland imho.
Modifiers are just colourful Tetris pieces without much effort or thought to it.
Don't like it at all sorry
You not liking it is one thing. but honestly the rest of your comment and analysis of the set is what took little to no effort and a lot of self entitlement.
The full post came in with what would be expected of a well put together IC and the blocks seem to be well designed, colour combined and some renders thrown into the mix as well, so not sure if your requirement for more effort is being confused with simply not liking the set. In any case, bit of an undeserved comment.
I like the set, imo, i would prefer to just buy the mods and Latin alphas since i don't own GMK wob and would use with some sort of mod set anyway. With this i would suggest to make the mods a separate pack.
Good work on the IC, will be looking forward to how this progresses.
What's wrong with giving my opinion on a keyset?Keyset looks looks very bland imho.
Modifiers are just colourful Tetris pieces without much effort or thought to it.
Don't like it at all sorry
You not liking it is one thing. but honestly the rest of your comment and analysis of the set is what took little to no effort and a lot of self entitlement.
The full post came in with what would be expected of a well put together IC and the blocks seem to be well designed, colour combined and some renders thrown into the mix as well, so not sure if your requirement for more effort is being confused with simply not liking the set. In any case, bit of an undeserved comment.
I like the set, imo, i would prefer to just buy the mods and Latin alphas since i don't own GMK wob and would use with some sort of mod set anyway. With this i would suggest to make the mods a separate pack.
Good work on the IC, will be looking forward to how this progresses.
There is nothing wrong with the IC itself, he has his renders, he shows his kitting, he didn't do a half assed job.
I just don't like how the keyset looks together with the Modifiers. It's just a plain Tetris block, like its missing flair.
Maybe I'd prefer them aligned instead of the mod blocks being centered.
Look at GMK Polybius for example it has the same kind of playfulness, just executed better imho.
Also there is nothing ****ing wrong with my comment, I looked at the keyset, didn't like how it looked and told it. Would you have prefered if I didn't tell him anything? I told it's plain, I said the same thing here, just with more text this time.
It's an IC to gain Interested, I love Tetris, just didn't like how it was implemented.What's wrong with giving my opinion on a keyset?Keyset looks looks very bland imho.
Modifiers are just colourful Tetris pieces without much effort or thought to it.
Don't like it at all sorry
You not liking it is one thing. but honestly the rest of your comment and analysis of the set is what took little to no effort and a lot of self entitlement.
The full post came in with what would be expected of a well put together IC and the blocks seem to be well designed, colour combined and some renders thrown into the mix as well, so not sure if your requirement for more effort is being confused with simply not liking the set. In any case, bit of an undeserved comment.
I like the set, imo, i would prefer to just buy the mods and Latin alphas since i don't own GMK wob and would use with some sort of mod set anyway. With this i would suggest to make the mods a separate pack.
Good work on the IC, will be looking forward to how this progresses.
There is nothing wrong with the IC itself, he has his renders, he shows his kitting, he didn't do a half assed job.
I just don't like how the keyset looks together with the Modifiers. It's just a plain Tetris block, like its missing flair.
Maybe I'd prefer them aligned instead of the mod blocks being centered.
Look at GMK Polybius for example it has the same kind of playfulness, just executed better imho.
Also there is nothing ****ing wrong with my comment, I looked at the keyset, didn't like how it looked and told it. Would you have prefered if I didn't tell him anything? I told it's plain, I said the same thing here, just with more text this time.
Nothing wrong with your opinion. But If you don’t like it, why did you bother to show up here and express that? Further, you’re still here defending your opinion that you don’t like it. Bobas even notes your disinterest above.
Bobas, have you tried doing two horizontal blocks next to each other for alphas? That might offer something more “interesting” to look at! The mods have thin black lines between blocks that allows for the distinctive shapes to be viewable, whereas the alphas do not have that. Just a suggestion!
You have something like 4 ICs now for sets without even one project that's gone through a complete groupbuy.
IMHO, it's time to slow down. Focus on executing at least one idea to the end first before you start making new ICs just to throw your ideas out into the void.
Keyset design/groupbuys are a lengthy and time-consuming process. If you're unfamiliar with how much effort it requires, it's easy to find yourself overwhelmed.
As someone who is quite active in the Tetris community and has seen quite a few free fangames get DMCA striked by the Tetris Company (which has an absolute iron grip on many of the brandings that make a Tetris game a Tetris game), despite not having the Tetris label inside of their name:
This keyset will likely not last, especially considering money is involved in some capacity. I'm not telling you to take this keyset down or whatever, that'd be quite frankly ridiculous - just keep this in mind if you go ahead with a GB.
You have something like 4 ICs now for sets without even one project that's gone through a complete groupbuy.I just noticed that you have 4 ICs right now. Please consider this advice. Unless you're some kind of god, I highly doubt that you will be able to focus on all your ICs without neglecting a single one. They're all completely different designs, and now you have a GMK set with new molds and IP to worry about. Of course it's your decision to make, but I am a little yikes rn honestly tbh ngl
IMHO, it's time to slow down. Focus on executing at least one idea to the end first before you start making new ICs just to throw your ideas out into the void.
Keyset design/groupbuys are a lengthy and time-consuming process. If you're unfamiliar with how much effort it requires, it's easy to find yourself overwhelmed.
Looks like the heart Tetris wasn't even made by him, you can find it with google search. That one is low effort for sure: https://www.123rf.com/photo_52244017_stock-vector-valentines-day-card-video-game-tetris-red-heart-retro-vintage-design-editable-vector-.html
Looks like the heart Tetris wasn't even made by him, you can find it with google search. That one is low effort for sure: https://www.123rf.com/photo_52244017_stock-vector-valentines-day-card-video-game-tetris-red-heart-retro-vintage-design-editable-vector-.html
Yikes
The "T-Pose" Deskmat is also just straight from the Internet: https://www.kisscc0.com/clipart/tetris-op-art-optical-illusion-tetris-t-block-4rpc5w/ (https://www.kisscc0.com/clipart/tetris-op-art-optical-illusion-tetris-t-block-4rpc5w/)
That's what I mean with low effort post, you had an Idea and didn't even take your time to decently flush out stuff and rushed out an IC imho.
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I want to start off by saying that I am only being so critical because I LOVE the idea and I really want to see this be the best it can be. I have been a stupid big fan of Tetris for some time and have been playing 40L competitively for around 8 years. So I am absolutely going to come off as some elitist ******* here haha. But I really don't mean to be I just want someone to make a set like this and do it justice.This is one of the better comments here. Thanks for the constructive feedback.
My Feedback:
Legal concerns, yeah like everyone else said. However if you could manage to get the blessings from TTC or Alexey Pajitnov, though I doubt he has much control over this IP anymore lol, that would be fantastic and would allow you to go so much further with this.
Design wise, I would have to agree with some comments that, at first glance, it does come off as a little "bland". And I think that mostly comes from the focus being on Tetrominos themselves instead of associating this set with a time period or a theme. For example, instead of doing plain black and white for the base color and legend color, you could pick a color palette based off of one of the countless versions of Tetris that have been made. You could do something retro like the Tetris 1989 Gameboy version which has a fantastic beige/green palette. Or the NES version which features that 8-bit style of color, which would definitely make the set stand out quite a bit from others. That version is also the official version of CTWC which would garner a lot of respect and attention. "Tetris Friends" was a huge part of the Tetris community for the longest time before it was taken down and features a very playful and colorful color palette with a lot of soft accents. There is also the community additions to the game like Nullpomino and JStris. (maybe reach out to them to see how they circumvent IP stuff). Theres so much out there. And inspiring this theme from any one or more of those themes could really make it "pop" and add a lot of polish and excitement.
On the topic of the novelties, I think it would make a lot more sense to put the "drop" and "spin" keys on the arrow keys as this is what many PC ports have "up" and "down" do by default and what a lot of players map them too. This would actually be more than a novelty in this case and potentially a real benefit for new players who wanted to experiment with new keybindings as they could use these keys to keep track and learn the setup.
In that same vein, the "Hold" novelty makes more sense on either r-shift, r-alt, or r-ctrl as the left hand typically uses one of those keys for hold. Caps lock is too far away for keyboard tetris and that key is rarely, if ever, bound to anything. The Enter key as "Next" is fine and doesnt "need" to make sense.
A suggestion, if you find that there is just too much color going on, which I actually haven't decided for myself if there is or not yet in this iteration, you can add gray blocks which are featured in many versions of the game. The gray blocks could help balance out colored tetrominos.
Also this set would look GREAT on Ortho keyboards. Maybe a clever gimmick could be in order? Like just solid colored keycaps so people could build the Tetrominos right on their keyboard? I don't know. But I feel like there is some kind of opportunity there with Ortho.
As for the nav cluster, I think references to some of the mechanics would be better than just generic words. For example you could reference DAS, ARR, IHS, IRS. And in the case of open source tetris clones, these could be mapped to be actual functions on a layer. Which would be sick. But that might be a little too elitist and not appeal to as many people so take that one with a grain of salt. (take all of this with a grain of salt tbh)
What I like so far:
I actually like just the plain white blocks as the alphas as this actually represents the ghost that is used in many variations of the game.
I think the Tetrominos that you chose for the bottom row in the base kit is PERFECT. Whether intentional or not, the green and red Z keys can be interchanged to indicate spin direction, which those keys are commonly mapped to. This makes them attractive and functional.
In short, you did a few things right. And its a good start. But there is a LOT of untapped potential here. And I really want to see it shine because again, I ****ing love tetris. Expect me to be giving feedback every step of the way for this one and if it turns out good, I will buy more base kits than your vendors are even remotely prepared for lol.
Anyway GLWIC
Re: TTC/IP stuffAt first I thought you were unaware and I wished you luck, but now I think that you are, to put it kindly, irresponsible (and after some people pointed that you copied the desk mats, also showing that you lack respect for other creators), sorry to say.
I'm aware of their litigious nature [...] I have [...] done some research myself [...] I believe that due to not having any gameplay, and tetrominos are simple mathematical concepts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetromino), and thus not wholly pertaining to TTC, that using it as just modifier legends, this doesn't cross copyright territory.
The protection of video games as audiovisual works under the Copyright Act is nothing new to copyright law. For example, Pac-Man received copyright protection based on the appearance of the characters and their motions and actions. (Atari v. North American Philips). The video game Galaxian received copyright protection based on the “look and feel” of the characters. (Midway v. Arctic Intern.). Like Tetris, these games are non-functional and highly creative. Therefore they receive broad copyright protection.