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Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: ChineseBoy on Fri, 30 April 2010, 11:39:16

Hello,I'm a boy from China.This is the first time to come here.
I found most of the people here are fond of the keyboard of IBM,why...confusing...
And in China,we like the Cherry,Filco,Ducky,Realforce more.and about the switch,we discuss the Cherry MX almost.

I want to be a member of you to learn your knowledge about the keyboard,and make some friends to improve my English.(My subject is about English).Is there anyone want an Chinese friend?  nacho@live.cn Thanks.:smile:

This is one of my keyboard,the Ducky.
(http://gg.a.5d6d.com/userdirs/a/d/jjws/attachments/month_1003/10030816060ccf4b71c6ce386c.jpg)
(http://gg.a.5d6d.com/userdirs/a/d/jjws/attachments/month_1003/100308160678236ee38b8cc6de.jpg)

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: o2dazone on Fri, 30 April 2010, 11:53:55

the old IBM keyboards also had mechanical switches. They aren't built like Cherry/Alps/Topre switches, but instead a buckling spring. Supposedly a lot of fun to type on, but I'll let others attest to that.

Glad to have you here!

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: ChineseBoy on Fri, 30 April 2010, 12:04:51

Quote from: o2dazone;177547

the old IBM keyboards also had mechanical switches. They aren't built like Cherry/Alps/Topre switches, but instead a buckling spring. Supposedly a lot of fun to type on, but I'll let others attest to that.

Glad to have you here!

I think,the reason of we don't discuss the keyboard of IBM is that most of them are old keyboard,and in China,when PC was popularized,PC had already gave up the IBM mechanical keyboardm,so it's very hard to get one.And we also could get one from the ebay,but the fare is so high that we almost could get a new Cherry or Ducky...

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: keyb_gr on Fri, 30 April 2010, 12:58:20

Quote from: ChineseBoy;177551

I think,the reason of we don't discuss the keyboard of IBM is that most of them are old keyboard,and in China,when PC was popularized,PC had already gave up the IBM mechanical keyboardm,so it's very hard to get one.And we also could get one from the ebay,but the fare is so high that we almost could get a new Cherry or Ducky...

Bingo. (Speaking of new boards, a group buy of Unicomps should drop shipping costs to reasonable levels.)

What's available definitely has a pretty big influence on preferences. Another example (if not quite as drastic as the case of the Model M) is the Compaq MX11800 - these are quite common in the US, and accordingly so are MX brown switches. By contrast, getting ahold of used boards with browns over here in ol' Europe isn't all that easy and they're a moderately exotic switch. In Germany, you're more likely to find something with blues, and boards with blacks are very common.

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Fri, 30 April 2010, 13:37:20

Quote from: ChineseBoy;177551

I think,the reason of we don't discuss the keyboard of IBM is that most of them are old keyboard,and in China,when PC was popularized,PC had already gave up the IBM mechanical keyboardm,so it's very hard to get one.And we also could get one from the ebay,but the fare is so high that we almost could get a new Cherry or Ducky...

It's exactly the opposite here. You can find Model Ms for so cheap they don't even matter (I got mine for $20), or you can get new Filcos or Das or the occasional Cherry for $100+; but a Ducky would cost nearly $200, or more.

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: Viett on Fri, 30 April 2010, 13:52:56

Quote from: ChineseBoy;177546

I want to be a member of you to learn your knowledge about the keyboard,and make some friends to improve my English.(My subject is about English).Is there anyone want an Chinese friend?  nacho@live.cn Thanks.:smile:

Feel free to stop by the IRC (#geekhack@irc.freenode.net). If you haven't used IRC before, visit the web chat (http://webchat.freenode.net/). The channel is #geekhack. There are about 16 people in it right now, and we're always looking for good conversation.

By the way, the image in your first post seems to be broken.

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: kishy on Fri, 30 April 2010, 13:56:02

Quote from: Viett;177571

Feel free to stop by the IRC (#geekhack@irc.freenode.net). If you haven't used IRC before, visit the web chat (http://webchat.freenode.net/). The channel is #geekhack. There are about 16 people in it right now, and we're always looking for good conversation.

Yeah, but you're not in it.

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Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: EverythingIBM on Fri, 30 April 2010, 15:49:18

Quote from: ChineseBoy;177546

Hello,I'm a boy from China.This is the first time to come here.
I found most of the people here are fond of the keyboard of IBM,why...confusing...
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IBM uses buckling springs which aren't really used in other keyboards. And I like pretty much anything IBM makes.

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: kishy on Fri, 30 April 2010, 15:53:21

IBM is god. Model Ms are the best ever. Nothing has been better since, nothing was ever better before. Everything else is junk.

This is generally how I justify my interest in IBM keyboards, though I don't go to this extreme around here. I'd be labeled a troll and cast aside.

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: InSanCen on Fri, 30 April 2010, 17:22:46

Quote from: webwit;177618

This is how I treat my women.

Clean them, put them in a box on the shelf, occasionally taken down to be photographed? Is there a preference for NIB? ;-P

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: kishy on Fri, 30 April 2010, 17:25:41

$10 if she's got rubber domes AND is NIB, as experience proves.

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: InSanCen on Fri, 30 April 2010, 17:26:44

$10 NIB?

Mental note to self... move to Canada!

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: kishy on Fri, 30 April 2010, 17:29:11

Quote from: InSanCen;177634

$10 NIB?

Mental note to self... move to Canada!

You don't want this girl (http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:8438). Appearance is, as some would say, tits...but when you get inside she's really nasty in a bad way.

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: InSanCen on Fri, 30 April 2010, 18:08:05

Quote from: webwit;177645

Here's a picture of InSanCan:

Yup, pretty much. Brings a whole new meaning to Oral Agreement...

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: ChineseBoy on Sat, 01 May 2010, 02:35:12

Quote from: Phaedrus2129;177568

It's exactly the opposite here. You can find Model Ms for so cheap they don't even matter (I got mine for $20), or you can get new Filcos or Das or the occasional Cherry for $100+; but a Ducky would cost nearly $200, or more.

it seems that the superiority of Ducky in the price here in China becomes the inferior in yours...:eek:

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: ChineseBoy on Sat, 01 May 2010, 02:40:33

Quote from: Viett;177571

Feel free to stop by the IRC (#geekhack@irc.freenode.net). If you haven't used IRC before, visit the web chat (http://webchat.freenode.net/). The channel is #geekhack. There are about 16 people in it right now, and we're always looking for good conversation.

By the way, the image in your first post seems to be broken.

What should enter in the "Channels" ...

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: imsto on Sat, 01 May 2010, 11:04:14

Maybe, European and American are stronger then people in Asia,  big hands, big foot, big .....    Here, people using IBM model M would easy to be tired.
btw: the salary, we got much more less than u guys, but get the kbd with the same price, realy sucks.

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: ChineseBoy on Sat, 01 May 2010, 11:18:23

Quote from: imsto;177829

Maybe, European and American are stronger then people in Asia,  big hands, big foot, big .....    Here, people using IBM model M would easy to be tired.
btw: the salary, we got much more less than u guys, but get the kbd with the same price, realy sucks.

even we have the different salary,the enthusiasm we have for the kbd is the same.I could buy a beloved kbd with breakfast for a month.Just the enthusiasm for the kbd.

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: imsto on Sat, 01 May 2010, 11:40:36

Quote from: ChineseBoy;177834

even we have the different salary,the enthusiasm we have for the kbd is the same.I could buy a beloved kbd with breakfast for a month.Just the enthusiasm for the kbd.

Breakfast is very important, man.

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: ChineseBoy on Sat, 01 May 2010, 12:16:35

Quote from: imsto;177843

Breakfast is very important, man.

It is just an example...-. -

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: pang0011 on Sat, 01 May 2010, 13:06:30

Hello ChineseBoy, I am also from a city of China, HK.  We might have met in other Chinese forums, haven't we?  Nice to meet you here.

Quote from: imsto;177829

Maybe, European and American are stronger then people in Asia,  big hands, big foot, big .....    Here, people using IBM model M would easy to be tired.
btw: the salary, we got much more less than u guys, but get the kbd with the same price, realy sucks.

Agree that Model M is not very popular in Asia, not even in Japan.  Our preference to lighter tactile feedback may be one of the reasons, but the lack of access to it may also be a major reason.  Btw: what I have seen in HK is that the spending power of mainland Chinese is so strong.

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: ch_123 on Sat, 01 May 2010, 13:14:09

Well, the Japanese had the 5576 family (http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=IBM+Wiki#IBMs+Japanese+Keyboards), some of which were buckling spring models, and appear to be quite popular amongst the Japanese collectors.

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: Viett on Sat, 01 May 2010, 13:20:02

Quote from: ChineseBoy;177753

What should enter in the "Channels" ...

Just #geekhack.

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: pang0011 on Sat, 01 May 2010, 13:39:09

Quote from: ch_123;177860

Well, the Japanese had the 5576 family (http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=IBM+Wiki#IBMs+Japanese+Keyboards), some of which were buckling spring models, and appear to be quite popular amongst the Japanese collectors.

Thanks for your information.  No doubt that M is a must-have item of keyboard collectors.  I am also very interested in it.  The M15 with number pad from your link looks awesome.  A similar one was just sold at ebay for $539 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270565846779).  one of my dream boards.

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: ch_123 on Sat, 01 May 2010, 15:02:14

It was a member here who got that one. I think that's only the second or third M15 with numpad that I've ever seen. They were standard with the M15 from 1995 onwards, but production seems to have ended some time either late in 1995 or in 1996, so they are very rare indeed. It was possible to buy them separately as well.

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: EverythingIBM on Sat, 01 May 2010, 18:46:59

Quote from: ChineseBoy;177752

it seems that the superiority of Ducky in the price here in China becomes the inferior in yours...:eek:

Actually, you can even get model Ms for free if you're lucky; such as myself, kishy, microsoftwindows, and probably computer-lab-in-basement.

But I'm craving a model F AT right now.

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: imsto on Sat, 01 May 2010, 22:12:07

I want to get a black Cherry 4100 and black Cherry 4700, gray 4700, white 4700.

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: pang0011 on Sun, 02 May 2010, 02:45:12

Quote from: ch_123;177876

It was a member here who got that one. I think that's only the second or third M15 with numpad that I've ever seen. They were standard with the M15 from 1995 onwards, but production seems to have ended some time either late in 1995 or in 1996, so they are very rare indeed. It was possible to buy them separately as well.

So $539 is somewhat a reasonable price for such a rare keyboard.  

I’m exploring the big world of model M now.  I love it, as well as all classic keyboards with unfailing eagerness, not only because of its build quality but also its history, and most importantly it is a rarity now.  The Topre boards and some of the original Cherry boards are also my favorites.

Title: Re: Hello,everybody.
Post by: HaaTa on Sun, 02 May 2010, 07:23:44

webwit, guess you don't need to save for retirement :P.

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: pang0011 on Sun, 02 May 2010, 10:26:28

Unfortunately, I have to save for my retirement but I still have strong desire for more keyboards,, if webwit decides to sell his keyboards upon his retirement, I will bid for the uTRON;)

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: imsto on Sun, 02 May 2010, 21:20:05

waiting for your retirement.  lol

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: EverythingIBM on Mon, 03 May 2010, 01:24:54

Quote from: webwit;178080

You guys are sooo (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=152090&postcount=14) gonna buy my keyboards for insane amounts of money in a couple of decades!

Lexmark keyboards remind me of lenovo computers... both try to grapple at IBM yet are inferior and make me mad.
I don't know why people are so crazy for M15 keyboards, so a limited amount were made by LEXMARK and their cheap plastics that yellow:
(http://www.clickykeyboard.com/2009/nov28/012.jpg)

Yuck... look at that piss yellow joint, looks like old apple keyboards.

I think the Model F AT beats the M15 by a million miles. It's springier, better quality, better keys, nice BRUSHED aluminum badge, and isn't cut into two pieces.

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: ch_123 on Mon, 03 May 2010, 03:11:09

(http://www.old-computers.com/MUSEUM/photos/IBM_PCjr_KeyboardBox_1.jpg)

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: imsto on Mon, 03 May 2010, 06:28:09

Quote from: ch_123;178373

Show Image

(http://www.old-computers.com/MUSEUM/photos/IBM_PCjr_KeyboardBox_1.jpg)

IBM always look cooll

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: ch_123 on Tue, 04 May 2010, 13:16:41

Quote from: EverythingIBM;178363

Yuck... look at that piss yellow joint, looks like old apple keyboards.

(http://www.9999hp.net/keyboard/temp/1391406-big.jpg)

Or old IBM ones.

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 04 May 2010, 13:21:29

Even the label looks yellow.

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: ch_123 on Tue, 04 May 2010, 13:23:08

That's "black label" IBM quality for you...

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 04 May 2010, 13:25:02

Great.  Now I need to ditch my "black label" Ms.  Pieces of ****.  IBM sucks.

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: ch_123 on Tue, 04 May 2010, 13:25:53

Should have bought a Lexmark =P

Seriously though, the Lexmark 1391401 was probably the best Model M, even if the blue logo was kinda ugly.

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: keyb_gr on Tue, 11 May 2010, 10:43:51

Quote from: ch_123;178872

Show Image

(http://www.9999hp.net/keyboard/temp/1391406-big.jpg)

One of my spare Ms looks similar. Apparently the parts affected by the yellowing are the space bar and labels, plus the non-black dyes (like brown and green) grow pale. The rest of the case and the regular key material remain unimpressed though.

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: quadibloc on Tue, 11 May 2010, 10:53:26

If purchasing the ingredients does not cause you to be suspected of terrorism, there's always RetroBrite. Otherwise, be kind to your fellow man, and store up treasure for yourself where oxidation does not diminish it.

That plastics yellow is simply part of the fact that all things in this world are impermanent. Find contentment by refusing to struggle against the inevitable.

This does not, however, mean not being unreasonable at all, since, of course, there is no progress without some unreasonableness.

Title: Hello,everybody.
Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 11 May 2010, 10:55:49

Quote from: quadibloc;181025

...Otherwise, be kind to your fellow man, and store up treasure for yourself where oxidation does not diminish it.

That plastics yellow is simply part of the fact that all things in this world are impermanent. Find contentment by refusing to struggle against the inevitable.

This does not, however, mean not being unreasonable at all, since, of course, there is no progress without some unreasonableness.

Jesus Christ, I have found new meaning in my otherwise empty life.  Thanks.