it boggles my mind why 99.9% of the keyboards today, including supposedly ergonomic ones, still carry this horrendous artifact of the old pushrod typewriters.
What I like about it is the arm rests, and that it seems much less staggered than the SafeType which is ridiculously staggered. This asymmetry makes me sick:
it boggles my mind why 99.9% of the keyboards today, including supposedly ergonomic ones, still carry this horrendous artifact of the old pushrod typewriters.
I completely agree! But when you look closely at the YogiType video, the right hand has staggered keys, but on the left side the 2nd, 3rd and 4th row are matrix! A sort of compromise I think. I would suggest to do matrix on both sides, why should there be a difference for right and left hand??
Maybe a commercial reason? But then again: If you need one, you are already looking for the best ergo solotion.
By the way: it's Dutch!
You're right, it looks like only three rows of the left are matrix, and the entire right hand is staggered. How strange!Show Image(http://oraclenine.net/YogiStagger.png)
I made an experiment with 2 Kinesis keyboards (vertical columns / no stagger) propped vertically, to simulate a vertical keyboard.
I was able to type almost at my regular WPM, with hardly any errors. I also own a Comfort Keyboard system (the one with the wonky base that lets you configure the keyboard halves to any position) and I got tons of errors, from both sides, in the vertical position.
Bottom line: staggering sucks, period. I can't believe most modern keyboards still carry that trait over from the mech typewriters of the late 1800's. It's truly ridiculous.
Bottom line: staggering sucks, period. I can't believe most modern keyboards still carry that trait over from the mech typewriters of the late 1800's. It's truly ridiculous.I disagree. Assymetric staggering a'la QWERTY works for the right hand middle, ring and pinky fingers. The right index finger is more limber, and that makes it able to cope better. Therefore, what QWERTY-staggering really is, is right-hand centric.
I can't believe most modern keyboards still carry that trait over from the mech typewriters of the late 1800's. It's truly ridiculous.
Show Image(http://www.trulyergonomic.com/images/Symmetrical_Ergonomic_Keyboard_symmetric.jpg)
It makes way more sense to angle the key columns rather than stagger them.
Getting rid of staggering (not talking about dvorak etc) is really not hard getting used to at all. It just takes a day or two at most.
Staggering generally sucks, but yes, it does help the right hand. However an angled matrix layout is much much better:(http://www.maltron.com/images/stories/dual2d_450x316.jpg)Show Image(http://www.trulyergonomic.com/images/Symmetrical_Ergonomic_Keyboard_symmetric.jpg)
It makes way more sense to angle the key columns rather than stagger them.
Agreed, TrulyErgonomic key columns are inline to the intersecting arms and looks like a good layout.
It's currently lent out to a friend who broke his wrists recently. If it doesn't work for him and I get it back, then I will.
This looks like a difficult keyboard to RipOmeter (http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:6189) under operating conditions.
It's a bog standard scissor switch. Like a Thinkpad.
interesting, but 550 euro is alot of money for a keyboard.
I don't see how this thing could possibly be comfortable or ergonomic. The natural position of my hands is not thumbs-up-fingers-out. It's palms-down-fingers-in.really? this is the same thing as the handshake position that human factors people really like. according to them, this is actually the neutral position of one's forearms. interesting that you don't think so. always good to remember that everyone's body is different!
W.r.t. the positioning of the hands I can tell you that this design is deleberately made to have the fingertips facing eachother (thumbs up). In actual fact the idea comes from the lotus posture (Yoga). The inspiration came when reading a book about yoga which explained why people where using this position to meditate. When bringing the fingers towards eachother you have a much more neutral position of your wrists. But an even more important effect is achieved in your shoulder / neck area because you are more bring your shoulderblades together which helps you to sit up straight more easily. This will give less fatique and an improved bloodflow to and from the hands and arms.welcome to the forum, sir or ma'am! this is a very cool idea. what i really like about it is that, like the lotus posture, bringing the pinkies in engages the back muscles and pushes the shoulder blades together, which is crucial for causing the core to engage. too many chairs and boards don't encourage good use of the core muscle groups, which causes problems down every extremity over long periods of time. very cool!
The Yogitype comes in many layouts. If required these can be made on demand as this can be changed easily with two printed inserts at the inside surfaces of the two planes.
can anyone confirm whether the kinesis freestyle allows for this position? the key (lol) is that the pinkies are brought inward and the thumbs out