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Title: Matrix to staggered
Post by: jmchargue on Fri, 06 December 2013, 15:37:40
Is it really true that once you type on a matrix keyboard, you can't go back to staggered? I want to go matrix for the ergonomics, but I still want to be able to type on a laptop...
Title: Re: Matrix to staggered
Post by: Linkbane on Fri, 06 December 2013, 16:11:27
There is literally the exact same topic posted in less than a day before this.
Title: Re: Matrix to staggered
Post by: yasuo on Fri, 06 December 2013, 23:26:15
Is it really true that once you type on a matrix keyboard, you can't go back to staggered? I want to go matrix for the ergonomics, but I still want to be able to type on a laptop...
Symmetrical staggered i think can be solution,but make own :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Matrix to staggered
Post by: Oobly on Sat, 07 December 2013, 06:35:23
Is it really true that once you type on a matrix keyboard, you can't go back to staggered? I want to go matrix for the ergonomics, but I still want to be able to type on a laptop...

It's not that you CAN'T type on a staggered any more, just that you don't want to. Vertically staggered columns are even better than matrix, though. I keep saying this about different aspects of changing boards / layouts, but the more different it is, the easier it is to retain your old skills on a normal board.
Title: Re: Matrix to staggered
Post by: jmchargue on Sat, 07 December 2013, 13:51:19
It's not that you CAN'T type on a staggered any more, just that you don't want to.

Alright, I can work with that.

Vertically staggered columns are even better than matrix, though.

Is the Ergodox considered vertically staggered? I mean, I can see that it is a little, but is it enough to really not be considered matrix?
Title: Re: Matrix to staggered
Post by: daerid on Sat, 07 December 2013, 19:20:00
Yes, the ErgoDox is vertically staggered, and no I wouldn't consider it a matrix board. I find myself still able to type on staggered boards, but like Oobly said above, I really don't like it when I do.
Title: Re: Matrix to staggered
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 08 December 2013, 14:54:14
You can go back and forth without much issue... There are some inconsistencies.. but it's not like you will forget...

As yourself, because you've learned to drive a car, have you forgotten how to ride a bicycle?

When you learned to use a Mac, did you forget how to use windows?
Title: Re: Matrix to staggered
Post by: jmchargue on Sun, 08 December 2013, 15:01:31
When you learned to use a Mac, did you forget how to use windows?

Haha, this is a great analogy, because while I didn't really forget how to use windows, I have very little patience for it. Alright, pretty set on (attempting to) trade my HHP2 for an Ergodox.
Title: Re: Matrix to staggered
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 08 December 2013, 22:52:59
When you learned to use a Mac, did you forget how to use windows?

Haha, this is a great analogy, because while I didn't really forget how to use windows, I have very little patience for it. Alright, pretty set on (attempting to) trade my HHP2 for an Ergodox.

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Title: Re: Matrix to staggered
Post by: spremino on Tue, 24 December 2013, 06:55:56
Like some musicians can play more than one instrument, likewise I guess that you could type one more than one kind of keyboard.

From what I have read, the bigger the difference between tools, the easier is to keep muscle memory, because there is less risk of muscle confusion.

EDIT: Made text clearer.
Title: Re: Matrix to staggered
Post by: yasuo on Tue, 24 December 2013, 08:43:39
Like some musicians can play more than one instrument, likewise I guess that you could type one more than one kind of keyboard.

From what I have read, the bigger the difference between layouts, the easier is to keep muscle memory, because there is less risk of muscle confusion.
For the layout i think true :)

for  staggered i not sure, traditional qwerty quite bother for me :) my left hand like poor :)
Title: Re: Matrix to staggered
Post by: spremino on Tue, 24 December 2013, 10:22:44
For the layout i think true :)

for  staggered i not sure, traditional qwerty quite bother for me :) my left hand like death :)

When I wrote "layout", I meant the way the keys are placed (that is: Maltron versus staggered keyboard) not the characters (that is Qwerty versus Dvorak).

I have edited my comment to make things clearer.
Title: Re: Matrix to staggered
Post by: yasuo on Tue, 24 December 2013, 10:41:29
For the layout i think true :)

for  staggered i not sure, traditional qwerty quite bother for me :) my left hand like death :)

When I wrote "layout", I meant the way the keys are placed (that is: Maltron versus staggered keyboard) not the characters (that is Qwerty versus Dvorak).

I have edited my comment to make things clearer.
yeah i know if made instruments staggered :)) any 4 halves:old asymmetric qwerty,symmetric,matrix,columnar :)