Living Healthy is Depressing

[tp4tissue]

This is the Maximum amount of Fat content one could eat PER meal..


7.40g of fats on plate,
Pen and sd converter for size comparison.







So you go vegan,  but apparently that's not enough.

Vegans avoid the highly carcinogenic properties of Milk/ Meat/ Eggs/ Fish 

However, most vegans are replacing those delicious fatty animals with Fatty plant food.

They've beaten the cancer, but kept the heart-disease and diabetes..




What's Healthy plant based exactly,   research says,  10% of total calories from Fat.

-- This quantity will Prevent and even REVERSE heart disease/diabetes..



What does that look like... Sigh..................... yea,  I want to jump out my window too.



The numbers:

-- If you ate 2000 calories a day,

-- 10% is 200. 

-- Fats contain 9 calories per gram

-- 200/9 = 22.22grams of fat per day, max

-- 3 Meals a day, That's  7.41g  per meal

-- Mixed Nuts are 50% fat,  14.81g, as shown in the photo. 

[dgneo]

i just had 3 loaded grillers from taco bell

[tp4tissue]

Popeyes Calculation.


If you ate in a typical popeyes guy meal

a Wing                   14 g fat
a Thigh                  21 g fat
a Drumstick            9 g fat
a Breast                27 g fat
a Biscuit                15 g fat
a Cajun Rice side    5 g fat
a Mashpotato side   4 g fat


That comes out to 95 Grams of fat.. or 4.3x the daily maximum.

[tp4tissue]

i just had 3 loaded grillers from taco bell

That's  15g of fat *  3.   45 grams,  2x the daily max.

I'm so jealous.. !!!!!

[chyros]

And now you know why I don't eat healthy .

[Halverson]

Tldr; you used to be fun but now you're always depressing and lame.

[tp4tissue]

Tldr; you used to be fun but now you're always depressing and lame.

Sigh.......................................................... Don't I know it.. .

[Halverson]

Tldr; you used to be fun but now you're always depressing and lame.

Sigh.......................................................... Don't I know it.. .

Just give up and love life to the fullest

[tp4tissue]

Tldr; you used to be fun but now you're always depressing and lame.

Sigh.......................................................... Don't I know it.. .

Just give up and love life to the fullest

Hahahahaha..  I even considered bulimia for a second, then i remembered all those documentaries i watched on eating disorders..

[SBJ]

Tldr; you used to be fun but now you're always depressing and lame.

Sigh.......................................................... Don't I know it.. .

Just give up and love life to the fullest

Hahahahaha..  I even considered bulimia for a second, then i remembered all those documentaries i watched on eating disorders..

You can do everything right and still die young dude. Just try to live.

[xantiema]

Haters gon' hate. Find a balance that suits you is all I will say.

[noisyturtle]

Eat whatever you want + exercise like a madman = complete happiness

[tp4tissue]

Eat whatever you want + exercise like a madman = complete happiness

hahah.. u gotta be careful with that.. when they looked at the arteries of top world triathletes , they found arteries that were 90% clogged.


Just because you're not fat, doesn't mean you're not clogging the pipes..


Sigh.. there's happiness now,  but I'm at the age where i am forced to worry about happiness later..

[Halverson]

Eat whatever you want + exercise like a madman = complete happiness

hahah.. u gotta be careful with that.. when they looked at the arteries of top world triathletes , they found arteries that were 90% clogged.


Just because you're not fat, doesn't mean you're not clogging the pipes..


Sigh.. there's happiness now,  but I'm at the age where i am forced to worry about happiness later..

You ain't finding it here

[tp4tissue]

Eat whatever you want + exercise like a madman = complete happiness

hahah.. u gotta be careful with that.. when they looked at the arteries of top world triathletes , they found arteries that were 90% clogged.


Just because you're not fat, doesn't mean you're not clogging the pipes..


Sigh.. there's happiness now,  but I'm at the age where i am forced to worry about happiness later..

You ain't finding it here

Sigh..................   food = drugs.. indeed

[Halverson]

Eat whatever you want + exercise like a madman = complete happiness

hahah.. u gotta be careful with that.. when they looked at the arteries of top world triathletes , they found arteries that were 90% clogged.


Just because you're not fat, doesn't mean you're not clogging the pipes..


Sigh.. there's happiness now,  but I'm at the age where i am forced to worry about happiness later..

You ain't finding it here

Sigh..................   food = drugs.. indeed

You need some Korean BBQ and a couple pints

[noisyturtle]

Eat whatever you want + exercise like a madman = complete happiness

hahah.. u gotta be careful with that.. when they looked at the arteries of top world triathletes , they found arteries that were 90% clogged.


Just because you're not fat, doesn't mean you're not clogging the pipes..


Sigh.. there's happiness now,  but I'm at the age where i am forced to worry about happiness later..

You ain't finding it here

Sigh..................   food = drugs.. indeed

or,
Food + Drugs = even better!

[Halverson]

Eat whatever you want + exercise like a madman = complete happiness

hahah.. u gotta be careful with that.. when they looked at the arteries of top world triathletes , they found arteries that were 90% clogged.


Just because you're not fat, doesn't mean you're not clogging the pipes..


Sigh.. there's happiness now,  but I'm at the age where i am forced to worry about happiness later..

You ain't finding it here

Sigh..................   food = drugs.. indeed

or,
Food + Drugs = even better!

Don't forget sex and booze!

[tp4tissue]

or,
Food + Drugs = even better!

Imho if that is your absolute best idea, then by all means do it.


I'm just personally too self conscious to take the day off on thinking about the perils of unchecked desires.. hahahahahha

[dante]

If LoanShark can lose all his weight you can too tp4!

[SpAmRaY]

Dear TP4

The wife calls and says she's 2 hours away stuck in traffic and I need to get my own food for tonight.

I'm already in town getting gas so I run by McDonald's and get a pico guacamole chicken sandwich on an artisan bun with large fry and large soda and to top it off I got 2 extra cheesburgers to eat on the way home.

I'm riding the food high right now but I'm sure I'll crash at some point.

Until Next Time
 

[tp4tissue]

Dear TP4

The wife calls and says she's 2 hours away stuck in traffic and I need to get my own food for tonight.

I'm already in town getting gas so I run by McDonald's and get a pico guacamole chicken sandwich on an artisan bun with large fry and large soda and to top it off I got 2 extra cheesburgers to eat on the way home.

I'm riding the food high right now but I'm sure I'll crash at some point.

Until Next Time
 

In nomine solem, et pepo, et brassica sancti.

----- Recite: "Celery",   8 times for thy penance.

[Centropyge loriculus]

I was always under the impression animal fats were fine, it was carbohydrates and it was carbohydrates that were the enemy. I am a Type 1 diabetic so I eat a Paleo lifestyle just for the glucose control component. Not saying it's better or worse, just adding to the discussion.

[tp4tissue]

I was always under the impression animal fats were fine, it was carbohydrates and it was carbohydrates that were the enemy. I am a Type 1 diabetic so I eat a Paleo lifestyle just for the glucose control component. Not saying it's better or worse, just adding to the discussion.

Hi Centropyge.

type 1 does not necessarily mean you produce no insulin whatsoever,

Your body still likely produces a small quantity.


So it is very possible for you to go into a vegan diet.



The issue would be the transition ,  because if you have been eating the American portion sizes of Animal products , meat, cheese, fish,   then your arteries and your muscles are laden with fat deposits.

This makes you fundamentally MORE insulin resistant than you would've been , had a vegan 10% calories from fat diet been known to you sooner.


But that aspect of the nutritional science was not fully refined and realized until recently.



Depending on severity , you may always need external insulin,   but if you CONTINUE the (Paleo) with alot of meats and oils,   Your diabetes will only become more severe until you walk into dialysis and die a horrible death.



So,  to round this out,   You are correct to watch carbohydrate intakes carefully,    but Paleo in terms of meat consumption and high calorie percentages from fat will only worsen your condition.

[Melvang]

This here is why I am not a vegan.  This is 14 pounds of pork butt that day in my smoker for 7 hours. Used a mix of apple and cherry until I ran out then finished with maple.  Took the internal temp up to 200°F, then wrapped with aluminum foil and towels and placed in a cooler to rest for two hours.

Zero effort for pulling.  The bones came out in their own weight alone. 

In case anyone is wondering what was in the aluminum foil boat, it was an entire elephant garlic and half a dozen baby bell peppers that I roasted in olive oil and butter with some cookies flavor enhancer.  This way in there about two hours. 

Plain and simple, I enjoy cooking way to much to go vegan.

[tp4tissue]

Mel

Overall, eating the standard 'Murican is the most delicious years of ones life, age 0 to 50..


But from then on , There is a 50% chance that you will either develop heart disease or cancer or both. 

--  As far as Betting odds go... that's i mean, hahaha... 50% is huge, you can count on it..

--  And because diet is indoctrinated,   a person's offspring will also have approximately the same risk..



As an adult, I suppose You are capable of making the trade off with your eyes open..  but it's more difficult to to say this as a Choice with no other victims, when we take future generations into account.



Please at least take a look at the data and research when you get some time off.

[nmur]

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This here is why I am not a vegan.  This is 14 pounds of pork butt that day in my smoker for 7 hours. Used a mix of apple and cherry until I ran out then finished with maple.  Took the internal temp up to 200°F, then wrapped with aluminum foil and towels and placed in a cooler to rest for two hours.

Zero effort for pulling.  The bones came out in their own weight alone. 

In case anyone is wondering what was in the aluminum foil boat, it was an entire elephant garlic and half a dozen baby bell peppers that I roasted in olive oil and butter with some cookies flavor enhancer.  This way in there about two hours. 

Plain and simple, I enjoy cooking way to much to go vegan.

it's beautiful

[tp4tissue]

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This here is why I am not a vegan.  This is 14 pounds of pork butt that day in my smoker for 7 hours. Used a mix of apple and cherry until I ran out then finished with maple.  Took the internal temp up to 200°F, then wrapped with aluminum foil and towels and placed in a cooler to rest for two hours.

Zero effort for pulling.  The bones came out in their own weight alone. 

In case anyone is wondering what was in the aluminum foil boat, it was an entire elephant garlic and half a dozen baby bell peppers that I roasted in olive oil and butter with some cookies flavor enhancer.  This way in there about two hours. 

Plain and simple, I enjoy cooking way to much to go vegan.

it's beautiful

But Deadly... hahahahahahhaa

[Melvang]

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This here is why I am not a vegan.  This is 14 pounds of pork butt that day in my smoker for 7 hours. Used a mix of apple and cherry until I ran out then finished with maple.  Took the internal temp up to 200°F, then wrapped with aluminum foil and towels and placed in a cooler to rest for two hours.

Zero effort for pulling.  The bones came out in their own weight alone. 

In case anyone is wondering what was in the aluminum foil boat, it was an entire elephant garlic and half a dozen baby bell peppers that I roasted in olive oil and butter with some cookies flavor enhancer.  This way in there about two hours. 

Plain and simple, I enjoy cooking way to much to go vegan.

it's beautiful

But Deadly... hahahahahahhaa

Had roughly 10 people eating off that pile, then the the wife, kids, and I will say sandwiches out of it until the next weekend.  So per sitting isn't near as bad as it looks. Plus we do eat veggies and fruits. 

Milk as a carcinogen, I would like to see the claims that back that up.  And what levels of consumption are required to get to a statistically significant risk of cancer from dairy consumption. 

Also, the average length of retirement for my profession not long ago was two checks.  This is when you factor in the guys that for on the website.  But when you only have a GED it limits your options a fair bit for occupations that pay enough to support a family.  Chances are, I make more now that the teaches in high school that told me I wouldn't amount to anything. 

In summary, diet is one of the last things I am worried about being the end of my life.

[tp4tissue]

Had roughly 10 people eating off that pile, then the the wife, kids, and I will say sandwiches out of it until the next weekend.  So per sitting isn't near as bad as it looks. Plus we do eat veggies and fruits. 

Milk as a carcinogen, I would like to see the claims that back that up.  And what levels of consumption are required to get to a statistically significant risk of cancer from dairy consumption. 

Also, the average length of retirement for my profession not long ago was two checks.  This is when you factor in the guys that for on the website.  But when you only have a GED it limits your options a fair bit for occupations that pay enough to support a family.  Chances are, I make more now that the teaches in high school that told me I wouldn't amount to anything. 

In summary, diet is one of the last things I am worried about being the end of my life.

Check out the China study,  (book) written by colin t.. you can find it on Arrgh-matey publishing..


They experimented on mice using casein protein, (from milk),  it significantly increases the rate of cancer cell multiplication.





Now, overall though,  what needs more focus is 50% of all deaths, is either heart disease or cancer..

 Meanwhile,  populations which eat nearly 100% vegetables with LOW ~10% calories from fat,  have almost no heart disease or any of the Most common western cancer variants,  such as breast cancer.



How much money you make won't really save you from -yourself-  hahahaha.. you can't pay yourself to not eat.. hahahahaha..





As for END of your life..   dying's not scary..  but HALF dead on a bed,   wheelchair,  suffering,   all your life's savings going to the hospital bill..


THAT is far worse than the end.

[Melvang]

Had roughly 10 people eating off that pile, then the the wife, kids, and I will say sandwiches out of it until the next weekend.  So per sitting isn't near as bad as it looks. Plus we do eat veggies and fruits. 

Milk as a carcinogen, I would like to see the claims that back that up.  And what levels of consumption are required to get to a statistically significant risk of cancer from dairy consumption. 

Also, the average length of retirement for my profession not long ago was two checks.  This is when you factor in the guys that for on the website.  But when you only have a GED it limits your options a fair bit for occupations that pay enough to support a family.  Chances are, I make more now that the teaches in high school that told me I wouldn't amount to anything. 

In summary, diet is one of the last things I am worried about being the end of my life.

Check out the China study,  (book) written by colin t.. you can find it on Arrgh-matey publishing..


They experimented on mice using casein protein, (from milk),  it significantly increases the rate of cancer cell multiplication.





Now, overall though,  what needs more focus is 50% of all deaths, is either heart disease or cancer..

 Meanwhile,  populations which eat nearly 100% vegetables with LOW ~10% calories from fat,  have almost no heart disease or any of the Most common western cancer variants,  such as breast cancer.



How much money you make won't really save you from -yourself-  hahahaha.. you can't pay yourself to not eat.. hahahahaha..





As for END of your life..   dying's not scary..  but HALF dead on a bed,   wheelchair,  suffering,   all your life's savings going to the hospital bill..


THAT is far worse than the end.

Don't have time to go looking for a book from China.   Any peer reviewed studies I can look at?  Scholar Google search helps with this I hear.

Those mice used in those studies are bred for cancer production.

I wasn't trying to insinuate that I could buy my health.  But with my education,  I am limited to either a low wage, or a job that is very taxing in the health and well being.  I chose to provide for my family.

[tp4tissue]

Don't have time to go looking for a book from China.   Any peer reviewed studies I can look at?  Scholar Google search helps with this I hear.

Those mice used in those studies are bred for cancer production.

I wasn't trying to insinuate that I could buy my health.  But with my education,  I am limited to either a low wage, or a job that is very taxing in the health and well being.  I chose to provide for my family.

hahaha

it's not a book from china..  white guy wrote it. only a small section of it even uses Chinese data, it's a collection research some headed by colin t himself, some others, which demonstrates conclusively that diets rich in animal products and ABOVE the 10% calories from fat threshold, directly causes the majority of the leading causes of death in America.

Colin T Campbell is peer reviewed with over 300 papers.


But the book is very good and puts the research in more plain terms.

[rowdy]

Dieing healthy is probably more depressing.

[tp4tissue]

Dieing healthy is probably more depressing.

See you guys are getting caught up on the word Dying..


Dying is easy..   On Off, On , Off ..

 
Heart disease + Cancer,    Hell is real.. and it starts delicious, then comes age 50,  and Whammo the suffering begins...

[Melvang]

Don't have time to go looking for a book from China.   Any peer reviewed studies I can look at?  Scholar Google search helps with this I hear.

Those mice used in those studies are bred for cancer production.

I wasn't trying to insinuate that I could buy my health.  But with my education,  I am limited to either a low wage, or a job that is very taxing in the health and well being.  I chose to provide for my family.

hahaha

it's not a book from china..  white guy wrote it. only a small section of it even uses Chinese data, it's a collection research some headed by colin t himself, some others, which demonstrates conclusively that diets rich in animal products and ABOVE the 10% calories from fat threshold, directly causes the majority of the leading causes of death in America.

Colin T Campbell is peer reviewed with over 300 papers.


But the book is very good and puts the research in more plain terms.

You are missing my primary point.  My job has probably an order of magnitude greater chance of causing me health problems down the road than my diet. 

Diet: to many calories from animal fats, and a bit high on sugar intake, overall not bad though.

Work: inadvertent exposure to the following, heavy chromates from welding and plasma cutting stainless, manganese from welding carbon steel and plasma cutting carbon steel and aluminum, asbestos, silica sand, lead paint being torched, ground with hand held grinders as well as welded on, same processes with zinc from galvanized steel, random chemicals from various oils and greases as thin as Kroil to as thick as Falk Long Term grease, many of which contain molybdenum disulfide, tools coated with copper beryllium because where I am working uses hexane a gas flammable enough that I can't even carry my phone or steel tools because of the fire hazard.

But keep telling me how my diet is going to kill me.

[Melvang]

Still looking for the elusive "highly carcinogenic" dairy.

[Melvang]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22081693

http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-cancer/diet-and-cancer/food-controversies#food_controversies3

[tp4tissue]

You are missing my primary point.  My job has probably an order of magnitude greater chance of causing me health problems down the road than my diet. 

Diet: to many calories from animal fats, and a bit high on sugar intake, overall not bad though.

Work: inadvertent exposure to the following, heavy chromates from welding and plasma cutting stainless, manganese from welding carbon steel and plasma cutting carbon steel and aluminum, asbestos, silica sand, lead paint being torched, ground with hand held grinders as well as welded on, same processes with zinc from galvanized steel, random chemicals from various oils and greases as thin as Kroil to as thick as Falk Long Term grease, many of which contain molybdenum disulfide, tools coated with copper beryllium because where I am working uses hexane a gas flammable enough that I can't even carry my phone or steel tools because of the fire hazard.

But keep telling me how my diet is going to kill me.

Hahahaha...   Your job, to a certain extent, is not within your control.. Then that makes it inconsequential to the topic at hand..


Because it is an element you can't change,   it has no weight on the choices that you CAN influence.


Your diet is 100% within your control


And from there we also have the programming of your next generation which takes place and typically very difficult to alter once set.






Here is the study referenced on dairy protein..

National Toxicology Program. Report on carcinogens. 499 (Research Triangle Park, NC, 2011).


Casein details..

https://nutriciously.com/casein-cancer-connection/


This is a video that gives you a general idea.

http://nutritionstudies.org/provocations-dairy-protein-causes-cancer/


http://nutritionstudies.org/provocations-casein-carcinogen-really/

[Lanx]

i'm waiting for the day when vegans die off

[noisyturtle]

Also, why would you want to live longer? tp is always saying how dull life is and he's always stressing about something small and how he doesn't make enough money. You really wanna do this for 60 more years? Granted things could improve, but it just feels like you need to get lucky when rolling your life stats or you just wind up alone in a job you hate making just enough to cover bills each month and barely any time for yourself. Sounds awful.

[xtrafrood]

Lentils my man

[tp4tissue]

Also, why would you want to live longer? tp is always saying how dull life is and he's always stressing about something small and how he doesn't make enough money. You really wanna do this for 60 more years? Granted things could improve, but it just feels like you need to get lucky when rolling your life stats or you just wind up alone in a job you hate making just enough to cover bills each month and barely any time for yourself. Sounds awful.

hahahahaha..    I don't really care about the living longer part.


That is not my reason for going vegan..   As I've mentioned earlier.. the People Around me, Near my age,  have begun that dance with medication/ heart disease/ cancer /Diabetus.

And these are not super old people.. only 10 years older than you are turtle..


I've spent a bit of additional time in the hospital recently making all these trips,  and you walk past droves of people with the same diseases..   I don't want to be there..



That's why I've made the commitment..     The consequences don't feel real, because we avert our eyes each day, only looking at the good stuff..



But turn and look at the dark side for a moment,  and surely you will see that Tp4's not JUST crazy..   There is serious suffering down the road. and it is "AVOIDABLE" if we stop eating meat..


I'm not happy about it..  but what can i do.

[noisyturtle]

I'm 100% sure I'm gonna pay for my reckless lifestyle down the road. At this point I've corrupted the waters to the point that even doing a full 360 on my habits there would yet be irreparable damage regardless.

[ANightOnCloudNine]

dieting is one part of remaining healthy, go on runs at night and you will notice you will get happier, although it is addictive. i can't run anymore cause i lost my leg

[Centropyge loriculus]

type 1 does not necessarily mean you produce no insulin whatsoever,

Your body still likely produces a small quantity.

So it is very possible for you to go into a vegan diet.

You're referring to the Honeymoon period. This is the beginning of what happens in Type 1 diabetes when you body is rejecting your own body. You have enough insulin-producing cells to maintain a small amount of control but it fades over time as your body kills these cells.
(https://beyondtype1.org/understanding-the-honeymoon-phase-in-type-1-diabetes/)

The issue would be the transition ,  because if you have been eating the American portion sizes of Animal products , meat, cheese, fish,   then your arteries and your muscles are laden with fat deposits.

Cholesterol is what clots arteries, but dietary cholesterol has not been shown to affect serum (blood) cholesterol. High cholesterol, particularly LDL tends to be hereditary and unaffected by diet. Although if you exercise with that diet you will see a reduction in your LDL. (https://health.clevelandclinic.org/2015/02/why-you-should-no-longer-worry-about-cholesterol-in-food/)

This makes you fundamentally MORE insulin resistant than you would've been , had a vegan 10% calories from fat diet been known to you sooner.

This is sorta true. Saturated fats DO increase insulin sensitivity, but so does a sedentary lifestyle. I haven't seen a study out yet that shows saturated fats increase sensitivity, but so do monosaturated fats, just not as greatly. My problem with this is, how greatly? Is it a 0.1% difference or a 5% difference? I haven't been able to find a study that has the methodology to impress me.

Depending on severity , you may always need external insulin,   but if you CONTINUE the (Paleo) with alot of meats and oils,   Your diabetes will only become more severe until you walk into dialysis and die a horrible death.

I will always need insulin. The Paleo style has been effective in reducing my HbA1C and ultimately improving my overall health. I can't argue that the vegan lifestyle isn't healthy, but I also do not believe it is any better or life-prolonging than the Paleo or any other diet that promotes avoidance of refined sugars, carbohydrates and vegetable and hydrogenated oils.

[tp4tissue]

I'm 100% sure I'm gonna pay for my reckless lifestyle down the road. At this point I've corrupted the waters to the point that even doing a full 360 on my habits there would yet be irreparable damage regardless.

Well..   we're not super sure how a vegan diet would affect cancer if  you've already GOT IT..     Going vegan significantly slows the rate of cancer cell growth..    However,  if you've already got a giant colony of it,   there is such a thing as too late..


But  going vegan , 10% calories from fat,  Stops and REVERSES congestive heart disease..   this is a 100% guaranteed..  20 years of trials on patients with TERMINAL heart disease.  The ones that followed the program all survived living 10 to 15 more years than they should've,   while the majority of those who dropped out of the program are dead..

[Centropyge loriculus]

I'm 100% sure I'm gonna pay for my reckless lifestyle down the road. At this point I've corrupted the waters to the point that even doing a full 360 on my habits there would yet be irreparable damage regardless.

Well..   we're not super sure how a vegan diet would affect cancer if  you've already GOT IT..     Going vegan significantly slows the rate of cancer cell growth..    However,  if you've already got a giant colony of it,   there is such a thing as too late..


But  going vegan , 10% calories from fat,  Stops and REVERSES congestive heart disease..   this is a 100% guaranteed..  20 years of trials on patients with TERMINAL heart disease.  The ones that followed the program all survived living 10 to 15 more years than they should've,   while the majority of those who dropped out of the program are dead..

I'm sorry, but this is not correct. Cancer cells grow at innate rates determined by their DNA, they use ATP just like every other cell in your body. That ATP can come from soy beans, milk or dog feces, but s'long as you give that cancer its ATP it'll grow at its fastest rate. The rate limiting factor is in its ability to reproduce. Vegetables don't pick and choose what cells they feed.

As for stopping or reversing congestive heart failure, this is false. A low-fat diet will help reduce the incidence of acute heart failure, but will not reverse the disease. Acute heart failure can be reversed, but that is because the heart is only "stunned" and not permanently injured. In chronic heart failure, part of the heart is not functioning at all due to scarring or death. No diet can cause dead cells to suddenly come back to life. A healthy lifestyle change certainly will help prevent further decompensation, but it will not cure the disease.

[tp4tissue]

I'm sorry, but this is not correct. Cancer cells grow at innate rates determined by their DNA, they use ATP just like every other cell in your body. That ATP can come from soy beans, milk or dog feces, but s'long as you give that cancer its ATP it'll grow at its fastest rate. The rate limiting factor is in its ability to reproduce. Vegetables don't pick and choose what cells they feed.

As for stopping or reversing congestive heart failure, this is false. A low-fat diet will help reduce the incidence of acute heart failure, but will not reverse the disease. Acute heart failure can be reversed, but that is because the heart is only "stunned" and not permanently injured. In chronic heart failure, part of the heart is not functioning at all due to scarring or death. No diet can cause dead cells to suddenly come back to life. A healthy lifestyle change certainly will help prevent further decompensation, but it will not cure the disease.

Centropyge loriculus..

Your information is out of date.

Dr. Esselstyn, cleveland clinic and Dr. Ornish ,  have both over the past 20 years conducted experiments of 100% vegan diet @ 10% fat, and they've successfully arrested and Reversed Heart disease in all of their patients who stuck with their diet program.


Both these doctors are also advisors to bill clinton after his open heart.. So they're vetted and legit.



As far as Cancer goes..   Colin T Campbell, author of -the china study- , and former NIH funded researcher, conducted experiments using Casein (milk) protein.


Going from 20% to 5% protein in the diet, prevented the Development of cancer from aflatoxin. aflatoxin is one of the most powerful known carcinogens.


Animal protein is highly carcinogenic not in that it Creates the cancer,  however, its composition greatly enhances the growth rate of most cancer cells..  We are ourselves Full of micro cancerous tumors, but they normally do not become cancer.. Except in the presence of an accelerant.

[tp4tissue]

For example.. In the west,  every woman lives in fear of breast cancer..

Yet in societies around the world where they eat significantly less meat,   breast cancer is unheard of..

[dante]

What about plant fats?  What if I drink cans of coconut milk and eat several avocados a day?