It would be difficult to build a workstation around it.
It would be difficult to build a workstation around it.
The aim is to use it as a second display with a laptop, a secondary display on a desktop, or use a lot of them together.
Personally, I like the idea of using it as a dedicated reading display, since I read a lot of academic papers.
It would be difficult to build a workstation around it.
The aim is to use it as a second display with a laptop, a secondary display on a desktop, or use a lot of them together.
Personally, I like the idea of using it as a dedicated reading display, since I read a lot of academic papers.
Its nice, but is it worth $450? Maybe at $200 I would consider it, but I can get IPS monitors for $300
It would be difficult to build a workstation around it.
The aim is to use it as a second display with a laptop, a secondary display on a desktop, or use a lot of them together.
Personally, I like the idea of using it as a dedicated reading display, since I read a lot of academic papers.
Its nice, but is it worth $450? Maybe at $200 I would consider it, but I can get IPS monitors for $300
That depends on the final design. Our goal is under $450. Right now, we should easily clear that
This is interesting. What kind of display does it use? IPS? What's the refresh rate?
Text will be defined but very little
Possibly interested. How are things like black depth, panel uniformity, calibrated color accuracy, etc?
What about including a vesa stand?
I use a 2560x1600 30 inch display and the text looks AMAZING on that so I can only imagine what it will look like on such a small display.
Depending on the end price ($450 feels steep only because of the size) I am interested.
Most into-it computer people don't want to sit in front of a tiny screen / laptop unless they have to..My thoughts exactly. Especially considering I can get this display (https://www.asus.com/Monitors_Projectors/MB168BPlus/) for less than half that price...
even though the resolution is high... The small display makes for far greater eye strain.
Not sure of the purpose of this display....
just because "you can" doesn't mean "you should"
Agree, it's very cool... it's essentially a tablet screen, but cut bigger.
Most into-it computer people don't want to sit in front of a tiny screen / laptop unless they have to..My thoughts exactly. Especially considering I can get this display (https://www.asus.com/Monitors_Projectors/MB168BPlus/) for less than half that price...
even though the resolution is high... The small display makes for far greater eye strain.
Not sure of the purpose of this display....
just because "you can" doesn't mean "you should"
Agree, it's very cool... it's essentially a tablet screen, but cut bigger.
Sure, no IPS, 15 inch and thicker bezel. But still full-hd, and only needs a cable instead of a little box on the pc's side.
But it is definitely a cool thing.
Most into-it computer people don't want to sit in front of a tiny screen / laptop unless they have to..My thoughts exactly. Especially considering I can get this display (https://www.asus.com/Monitors_Projectors/MB168BPlus/) for less than half that price...
even though the resolution is high... The small display makes for far greater eye strain.
Not sure of the purpose of this display....
just because "you can" doesn't mean "you should"
Agree, it's very cool... it's essentially a tablet screen, but cut bigger.
Sure, no IPS, 15 inch and thicker bezel. But still full-hd, and only needs a cable instead of a little box on the pc's side.
But it is definitely a cool thing.
Not sure if you guys are just trying to threadcrap or not, but I'll treat these as serious concerns.
- I can understand comparing this to other options, but it really is a totally different product with a different purpose
- "FullHD" is a silly marketing term. Even on a 15 inch display it's only about 140 PPI. The difference between this and that is huge. You really need to see it in person, though.
- I'm not sure what you mean by little box. It can be powered by USB and if you have Displayport you're good to go
- I don't know why you think smaller display is related to eye strain. The size of onscreen elements is what matters.
- For a laptop, it's similar in size to your screen. And for a desktop, it is mean to be used as a secondary display or several of them tiled together.
I realize it's different, but don't jump to the conclusion that it's no good. Really, try one. You'll like it! I'm happy to provide any other information you want.
Most into-it computer people don't want to sit in front of a tiny screen / laptop unless they have to..My thoughts exactly. Especially considering I can get this display (https://www.asus.com/Monitors_Projectors/MB168BPlus/) for less than half that price...
even though the resolution is high... The small display makes for far greater eye strain.
Not sure of the purpose of this display....
just because "you can" doesn't mean "you should"
Agree, it's very cool... it's essentially a tablet screen, but cut bigger.
Sure, no IPS, 15 inch and thicker bezel. But still full-hd, and only needs a cable instead of a little box on the pc's side.
But it is definitely a cool thing.
Not sure if you guys are just trying to threadcrap or not, but I'll treat these as serious concerns.
- I can understand comparing this to other options, but it really is a totally different product with a different purpose
- "FullHD" is a silly marketing term. Even on a 15 inch display it's only about 140 PPI. The difference between this and that is huge. You really need to see it in person, though.
- I'm not sure what you mean by little box. It can be powered by USB and if you have Displayport you're good to go
- I don't know why you think smaller display is related to eye strain. The size of onscreen elements is what matters.
- For a laptop, it's similar in size to your screen. And for a desktop, it is mean to be used as a secondary display or several of them tiled together.
I realize it's different, but don't jump to the conclusion that it's no good. Really, try one. You'll like it! I'm happy to provide any other information you want.
Hi DT...Show Image(http://a.deviantart.net/avatars/o/n/onionomfgplz.gif?1)
I am not trying to thread crap..
Ur right that the "size" of the onscreen element is as large or larger depending on how close you sit to the screen..
However, your eyes have to struggle to focus on things that are close up..
While things that are Farther away will allow your ciliary muscles (in the eye) to stay in resting position.
This muscle becoming tired is a large component of eye strain..
Which is why "generally"... the larger the display the better..Show Image(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/044.gif)
I've indicated interest in the form.
I think this would be great next to my rMBP. I work in a place where space can be an issue and it's necessary to move around, so workstations aren't a possibility. A reasonably portable, high-resolution, space-saving screen sounds great.
It's going to be tough for me to get in at $450, but that might change in a month or two depending on how far out these screens are.
I do a lot of dual-screen text based stuff with laptops in limited spaces for work and this would be fantastic. Once I get a personal one and my boss likes it, I could see picking up a pair or two for the office.
Never said I didn't like it.Most into-it computer people don't want to sit in front of a tiny screen / laptop unless they have to..My thoughts exactly. Especially considering I can get this display (https://www.asus.com/Monitors_Projectors/MB168BPlus/) for less than half that price...
even though the resolution is high... The small display makes for far greater eye strain.
Not sure of the purpose of this display....
just because "you can" doesn't mean "you should"
Agree, it's very cool... it's essentially a tablet screen, but cut bigger.
Sure, no IPS, 15 inch and thicker bezel. But still full-hd, and only needs a cable instead of a little box on the pc's side.
But it is definitely a cool thing.
Not sure if you guys are just trying to threadcrap or not, but I'll treat these as serious concerns.
- I can understand comparing this to other options, but it really is a totally different product with a different purpose
- "FullHD" is a silly marketing term. Even on a 15 inch display it's only about 140 PPI. The difference between this and that is huge. You really need to see it in person, though.
- I'm not sure what you mean by little box. It can be powered by USB and if you have Displayport you're good to go
- I don't know why you think smaller display is related to eye strain. The size of onscreen elements is what matters.
- For a laptop, it's similar in size to your screen. And for a desktop, it is mean to be used as a secondary display or several of them tiled together.
I realize it's different, but don't jump to the conclusion that it's no good. Really, try one. You'll like it! I'm happy to provide any other information you want.
Never said I didn't like it.That seems like an issue with having the wrong scaling settings. You should be able to scale to get any size you want. And also note that more software is moving toward resolution independence.
But I did just read an article about a 31,5” 4K/UltraHD screen and that too has a ppi of 140 and people are already complaining that things are getting too small for regular desktop use in it's current form. Even with scaling. Link, in Dutch if you want. (http://nl.hardware.info/reviews/5125/4/praktijk-4k--ultrahd-op-de-pc-4k-op-de-windows-desktop)
I am asking you to "sell" your product to me, tell me what makes it special and what I could use it for.
Not to bring you down but to help you improve by thinking about the difficult stuff.
For example, what are you basing your price on?
Otherwise it is just a really cool toy for a very specific niche... that is not entirely clear.
An expensive toy even... like pretty much everything on this forum. :p
But back on topic; what kind of latency are we talking about? Brightness? Glossy or reflective?
How many mm is the bezel? Seems pretty thin so you could possibly do something crazy like grid four together to make a pseudo 5120x3400 screen.On the top, and left, about 3mm. On the right, about 5, and about 7 + room for the cable on the bottom. You might be able to use an MST hub if you really want to. Or get a cheap second card with displayports if you're using it for 2d.
Not like my GPU has enough displayport outs for that anyway.
Size wise I have been looking for something pretty close, but mostly at 1440xwhatever. It's just about right to use in portrait with my 27". At $400 price point though... I don't know...Again, I think $400 is on the high end. I needed to give some idea of a price but don't want to disappoint anyone by guessing too low. It's better to price it surprisingly low than surprisingly high.
another cool thing that I can't get because I live in Brazil :(We might be able to work something out for international shipping if you're willing to pay for it.
We might be able to work something out for international shipping if you're willing to pay for it.
We might be able to work something out for international shipping if you're willing to pay for it.
The problem is that besides shipping I would most likely pay a ridiculous tax :(
One solution I can think of is that if you're going to sell them 'continuously' I may be able to get one when someone goes to the US :)
How much power does this thing draw from USB? I might use it as a mobile display for a raspberry piMaximum power draw for the panel is 9.57 Watts. 4 for logic, 5.57 for the backlight. The board draws very little. USB 2 could power it at partial brightness. I know some USB ports are designed to handle more, but you'd need to check. It is displayport only though, so you'd need to make sure the raspberry pi supports that. We had issues with HDMI, both in terms of getting something that could convert the signal as well as licensing.
Put my interest down on your google docs. Looks really interesting but to be fair, I don't think I will buy these if they exceed 200 bucks for one. Sorry, but I don't want my student debt to rise any higher.
Which type of protective material will be used over the led ips screen?
What would be really nice is for a case that lets you connect them bezel free (removable bezel on each side?) for diy multipanel.
Definitely interested here. If the price can come down a tad. Is there a possibility of lower resolutions with a price reduction?
This would be great for travelling. Especially those times when one needs to work on a 'headless unit'.
Would the display support a connection coming from an adapter such as DVI of HDMI?
I have already made a few posts about this website here, but this thinkpad forum (http://thinkpads.com/forum/) may also be intrested in the product. They often hack in 2048x1536 (4:3) displays into older thinkpads, running the numbers quick I could see the Minimax fitting well into a 13.1' 16:10 x301 or x201 laptop, DisplayPort convinently happens to be included on these models, so with a bit of soldering a cable could be run internally to a new screen.
Which type of protective material will be used over the led ips screen?
For desktop use we don't need any protective material. We are investigating clear acrylic, other plastics and glass to be used when traveling. Another option was to sell a carrying case or protective cover so that those who want to carry it around can protect the panel but not drive up costs for desktop users.
I really want to like this idea as it's a real pain to fit a 2nd 20+ inch monitor on my workstation, but the price just seems prohibitive considering the kinds of use a monitor like this would have in a workstation.
Best of luck though, hope there's a sizable interest!
If you go with acrylic for a cover over the panel please have some sort of scratch resistant coating as from my experience acrylic scratches pretty easily and is a major pain to buff/polish out.it's always a tradeoff. PMMA is good for a panel cover, as it permits more light than pretty much any other polymer. PolyCarbonate is a bit tougher, but transmits less light and is much more expensive.
Filled out the form. Can't wait to see where this goes!
After much reflection and looking at survey results so far, I think we're going to go with an option with no built in stand for the first version. It should be compatible with a wide variety of VESA mounts and tablet stands for travel use. This will also help keep costs manageable for a small run.
Please let me know if you have any thoughts on the matter. Thanks again!
Neat! Are you a member there? If so, do you think you could link to this thread, since I'm not sure how much forums appreciate a new guy coming in and starting off with a sales pitch. Or I could try. Which forum would it be best to post on do you think?Sorry, never got back to this, I'm not a registered member there, however I think that community would be very interested in it. I'd recommend that you email an the as it doesn't seem like there's really an appropriate forum there.
Yeah, I didn't see one either. I guess I'll give that a try. Not sure who I'd contact though, but I'll look around. Thanks again for the tip!Neat! Are you a member there? If so, do you think you could link to this thread, since I'm not sure how much forums appreciate a new guy coming in and starting off with a sales pitch. Or I could try. Which forum would it be best to post on do you think?Sorry, never got back to this, I'm not a registered member there, however I think that community would be very interested in it. I'd recommend that you email an the as it doesn't seem like there's really an appropriate forum there.
I really, really wish I could pull the cash to grab this, especially if it comes cased. I think ~12 inches is the perfect size for portability, and I would love to have a portable secondary monitor for my laptop. However, I first need to get a new laptop, and $400 is a bit much for a high-school student, eh?
If you could bring it to market for a longer time than just a group buy, then that'd definitely be something I could consider.This question may have already been answered, but I could really care less: What's the power draw on this. You said it could be powered off of USB, but could you power it from a computer's USB port, or would it have to be from the wall? If it's the former, then this would be the perfect mobile secondary display, but it would be a bit difficult if it had to be wall-powered.
Please ignore my rudeness and ignorance. Again, I'd love to see this out on the open market instead of a group buy scenario for reasons stated above, so I could possibly get my hands on one when I have the money in a couple years.
Is anything happening with this? :)
Added to the google docs. Good to see if its still happening, have to see if the OP gets back onboard to this thread.
I would be using this as a monitor to accompany an ITX desktop unit. Will be used as a primary monitor in a mobile scenario, and maybe as a (4th) display when at home. Ideally want a 15+" panel as it will be easier on the eyes while still being compact enough to travel with. A 12" panel would be narrower than a 60% keyboard!!! Pretty squinty for a primary desktop panel if its used without scaling, but thats dependent on how I use the screen. Scaling on OSX is fairly straight forward. I can see myself placing this screen flat on the table in front of me, with my keyboard and mouse placed behind that. Allows me to keep the screen close to me. Otherwise a more conventional screen behind the keyboard layout for desktop usage.
A small screen with High DPI means it ends up getting used close up. Not a screen that can be placed 2-3 feet away. Especially when I am used to using multi-monitor setups with larger pixel pitches to help keep things readable at a distance. It is sold as a screen that is meant to be compact, so this is not a criticism of the intent of this monitor. Next to a laptop, this can be great.
Frequent unplugging will be relevant. A strong mounting for the connector is preferred. The connector is soldered onto the PCB, and thats about all you can do, so a solid mounting for the PCB would be pretty good.
A streamlined and smooth case will be important. I see myself slipping this screen into a bag along with my desktop (or laptop). Exposed screws and sharp edges would be bad news, so something thats slick and clean would be nice. You can imagine slipping this into a laptop bag with the laptop, and the laptop case being utterly destroyed by this screen. Defacing the top surface of a brand new thousand dollar laptop would be blasphemy!
Legs would be helpful, but need to be removable, or foldable for flat carrying of the screen. Even better would be one that is integral with the case (meaning it folds away cleanly), if it does not add to significantly to the thickness. Otherwise its possible to source third party tablet stands or similar.
Absolute thinnness is not essential, if it can satisfy the requirement of a streamlined smooth case. 10mm would be Brilliant, but something about 15mm, maybe up to 20mm thick would be acceptable. Thats about 1/2 to 3/4 inch. 25mm onwards would be acceptable if it had all integral legs and cable storage, but beyond that, I would rather buy a kit and make my own case. Essentially, I want to see any increase in thickness put to good efficient use. A 10mm screen is just as good as a 20mm screen with integral legs.
Plug locations - Something that would allow the cables to plug into the back of the screen would be good. It should have the connector plugged in parallel to the back surface so it doesn't stick out the back, allowing the screen to be placed on a table flat if need be, preferably placed toward the top of the panel so that it tilts nicely if placed flat (and the case is not flat). Don't really want the connector on the outer edges, as that would mean the connector would stick out, and this may be an issue if trying to line up panels next to one another (like next to a laptop).
Thats my take on such a panel, and what would constitute the ideal panel for my uses. Hope that helps.
Oh and this is the "portable" desktop computer this monitor might be used for.Show Image(http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m624/okwchin/NCase%20M1/NCaseSilverBlack2_zps4c6c4dd6.jpg)
Thanks for your interest. It's going slowly, but we're in the process of putting together a kickstarter. I expect we'll have a finalized prototype within a few weeks. The reason for a kickstarter is that the hopefully larger scale will let us do a bit more than having a group buy here. But I see there might be enough interest for a small "test run" if people want an early (but still nice looking and perfectly functional) version.
Thanks for your interest. It's going slowly, but we're in the process of putting together a kickstarter. I expect we'll have a finalized prototype within a few weeks. The reason for a kickstarter is that the hopefully larger scale will let us do a bit more than having a group buy here. But I see there might be enough interest for a small "test run" if people want an early (but still nice looking and perfectly functional) version.
Have you finished any case prototypes so far? What do you need to do to prototype the case? In January your post said “A case prototype will be ready within two weeks.” – I’m assuming life got in the way?
Thanks for your interest. It's going slowly, but we're in the process of putting together a kickstarter. I expect we'll have a finalized prototype within a few weeks. The reason for a kickstarter is that the hopefully larger scale will let us do a bit more than having a group buy here. But I see there might be enough interest for a small "test run" if people want an early (but still nice looking and perfectly functional) version.
Anyway, regarding features.
1. The case is acrylic. This is good for weight and cost. We had considered glue, but will now likely have screws that are flush with the case. If costs allow we may consider a version with aluminum for the front and back layers, kind of like some GON designs. The screws will be flush with the case. There will also be a removable "stand" piece so you can prop it up next to a laptop, for example. We've also considered just using one on the many tablet stands available, but we do want to include the "full package". One thing we haven't settled yet is whether or not to have a layer of something, probably clear acrylic, over the panel itself. If people are going to put it in a bag, we would need that or to sell an optional travel protector. I'm inclined to have an exposed panel with an optional protector.
2. The cables will come out parallel to the panel on the back. Right now we're looking at full size displayport but may make a mini version if there is enough demand.
3. I've seen the adafruit display and it's nice but I do think this is better for most uses. As was pointed out, it is somewhat small, even by laptop standards. The case also requires assembly, has screws sticking out and has the PCB exposed. So, probably not great for travel. It also uses a barrel plug for power; the MiniMax is powered through a mini USB cable and can even be powered from a port directly, albeit not at full brightness (though it wasn't dim at all when I tried it).
I hope this answers any questions. I'll check this board more frequently and try to be better about updates. Once again, I'm glad people are interested in this. I think it's a neat product and would love to get it into the hands of people who can enjoy and make great use of it.
1) A screwed together case appeals to be for the ability to be able to re-open if required, however glued panels can look good if done well. Aluminium would look really neat, especially if you can have the screws threaded into the front panel from the back, allowing for that clean look. The other advantage aluminium can also offer (if manufacturing costs allow) is a thinner bezel, both in the x and y axes, but also in the Z axis, meaning you can mill out where the screen fits into the back of the front panel, and you have a nice say 1-2mm thick lip over the screen. Costs I would imagine would blow through the roof if we went that way, unfortunately.
A bare panel for me personally is fine, as this screen will be stored against a flat hard surface. Having acrylic over the screen is structurally a good idea, but the fear is always with optical translucency, especially when it is subject to scratching. (then again, theres always the possibility of scratching the real panel.
2) Full size DP can still work. Either way is fine for me
3) The MiniUSB power source is attractive as it makes it an easily applied unit for any user. I am not sure if I understand USB protocols, but to utilise full power from a high output capable USB port, does it require a data connection? or will most 2A ports happily deliver 2A without a data connection (i.e. 5V and gnd connections only)
For a product non-specific to the keyboard community, I agree that something like kickstarter is an appropriate way to go.
Charging ports, Some provide power all the time, some provide a 2A output, and some do both?
What happens when you use a normal usb3 port and continue to increase brightness, does the screen simply not get any brighter beyond a level of brightness, or does the USB port cut out, and you lose power all together.
Heh. The Kickstarter page says that Standard displays have 72 PPI... eh, on the first Macintosh back in 1984 yes.
The current norm is around 100 PPI.
Looks good to see it come closer to fruition. Do you have a picture of the back of the display? I really want to know how it looks at the back to know how it holds itself up, and to rate how backpack safe it will be.1. We are making some changes to it. Will update when it's ready.
The clear acrylic? housing looks nice, as far as I can tell in the ironically small photos ;) Maybe I'm getting spoilt for high resolution files ;)
1) Show us its back side :) (can see it a little in the video)
2) How are the connections in the back mounted? Happy if there is sufficient strength in the connector itself, as long as I wont be ripping it off while moving the screen with a stiff DP cable.
3) What direction are the cables in the back. My guess based on the video would be that its in that bottom acrylic block, and faces upwards?
4) What are those lumpy things in the corners and sides of the housing. Looks like rubber feet sticking out, but I suspect its more likely a hole through the case to hold the panels together?
5) Is the display behind a layer of acrylic? or is it open to show off its beauty.
6) How is the display currently being held up. Are there feet/legs? and removable for backpack use? The video seems to suggest thats the case
7) Are the case panels glued together, or screwed together, or other.
8) USB power, whats its minimum amperage supply required to reach full brightness. I recall you mentioned that you didn't get full brightness on a normal USB port 450-500mA?
I'm so excited to see this happen, already joined the campaign. :thumb:
I'm unfamiliar with how Kickstarters work so please bear with me. If I don't choose an option in which I get hardware, is there no way for me to buy the display later? And is the early adopter price cheaper than what I would pay later? I'm intrigued but the price isn't working well with my current budget.