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« Reply #450 on: Wed, 08 February 2012, 21:50:18 »
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Yeah blood set is next. Expect it to happen the  week after Nyan ships and the leftovers thread gets put up.

You're right I do need a white keyboard with all these PBT keys lol.  However if I did I would want to do a full set of dyesubs on white...  maybe that red on white one you guys like so much lol. This Leo has just  become my crazy "everything" keyboard and I love it lol.


^ This! Should emulate something like the Red Alert set and add in some keys that are white on red. (Eg. WASD or the number row) That would be stunning imo. Is a GB for 'blood' a sure thing? Might have to edit my round 4 order if it is haha.

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« Reply #451 on: Wed, 08 February 2012, 21:58:55 »
How about a full blood set with red dyesub on white PBT, except the Esc, Enter, 2x Ctrl is black dyesub on red PBT?

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« Reply #452 on: Wed, 08 February 2012, 22:01:59 »
too expensive.

lot of people don't want to pay 90+ for dye sub pbt
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« Reply #453 on: Wed, 08 February 2012, 22:05:07 »
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too expensive.

lot of people don't want to pay 90+ for dye sub pbt

Wouldn't the price drop to more 'manageable' levels aka ~$70 with larger number of orders?

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« Reply #454 on: Wed, 08 February 2012, 22:08:34 »
good luck with that.

it took 30 sets to get \kl's group buy to hit 96
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« Reply #455 on: Wed, 08 February 2012, 22:10:14 »
75 sets brings it to $85 per on a 104key set.  Don't know where or how much the next break is, but it's close to $5 per 25 sets for the previous 2 price breaks, so expect that to continue with diminishing returns.  Estimate of 125-150 sets for $70 pricing.

The difficulty is then getting that many people interested in the same color/font/layout/...

Then there's that damned ABS space bar fiasco.  That's the biggest reason I'm not too keen on SP PBTs.  I like my PBT space bar.  However if you did make it to 150 sets, the numbers I've heard say that PBT space bar would only be ~5.00 more per set.
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« Reply #456 on: Wed, 08 February 2012, 22:14:09 »
you'll get a ton of "if it gets to this price, blah blah blah blah" really not adding anything to help out.

i dont even get why people continue to do that ****. either put your order in, or don't.

if it doesn't hit the price you want, back out. the more orders people see, the more they'd feel comfortable putting their own order in.
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« Reply #457 on: Wed, 08 February 2012, 22:28:12 »
Hey, 2012 is the year of tenkeyless boards right? Just go with the tenkeyless set!!! =P

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« Reply #458 on: Wed, 08 February 2012, 22:36:55 »
Yeah a TKL set would be perfect and help to reduce costs as well. About those people that demik mentioned, we gotta just ignore them I guess. Nothing more we can do right? Not counting flaming them till they weep of course lol.

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« Reply #459 on: Wed, 08 February 2012, 22:37:34 »
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Should emulate something like the Red Alert set and add in some keys that are white on red. (Eg. WASD or the number row)

Some of the pictures of Red Alert have this exact setup. The number row is reversed colors. I'd really appreciate it if someone did a group buy for these here. I'd be down for hazeluff's suggested Retro Red set too.

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« Reply #460 on: Wed, 08 February 2012, 22:37:51 »
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« Reply #461 on: Wed, 08 February 2012, 22:38:31 »
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« Reply #462 on: Wed, 08 February 2012, 22:39:03 »
I've been mulling over what I want out of the "Blood" keyset (I really don't care for that name tbh, trying to come up with something else,) and basically it boils down to a set of black on red keys, with an "Execute" on the enter key instead of enter. I don't really care what we do with the modifiers as long as it isn't anything too out of the norm. Melissa mentioned that if we really do what they consider a standard set, the price is cheaper. Changing the legend on one key isn't going to be significant, but if we were to do a bunch of custom legends she's going to want to raise the price. I'm looking to do 50 sets honestly, but being as it is tenkeyless I'm not sure we will get that many... it isn't exactly profitable enough for me to try and buy 10 extra sets and sell them for a markup high enough to make money off of it, since they are fairly expensive to begin with.

Prices right now are looking like:
87 key set with the custom Execute legend:
25 sets          $65.06 / set
50 sets          $47.74  set
75 sets          $41.96 / set
100 sets        $39.07 / set

With both an Enter key and an Execute key its:
25 sets          $69.45 / set
50 sets          $50.42 / set
75 sets          $44.07 / set
100 sets        $40.89 / set

Obviously its pretty reasonable pricing, especially if we hit 50, but if we hit 30 orders ($1950) and it costs $2387 to get 50 sets, that costs me $437 to get 20 keysets. That's a pretty good deal, working out to $21.85 per set, but even if I sell them for $50, I only make $563... and that's if I can sell all of them in a reasonable amount of time, something I think is pretty unlikely considering this is currently the largest market there is for this sort of thing. Pretty much only Geekhack knows the true worth of keys and keysets, and if everyone here is already going to get in on the group buy, I'm much better off trying to make money off of selling individual keysets. This has been my logic behind not buying a whole lot of extra sets for Nyancat and Portal, though I could certainly have made a decent amount of money, it would have required a much higher investment, something I am not capable of while in school.

TLDR: I am most likely to just try and run this group buy to get people some cool keys, not buy any extras, and just move on to the next group buy I have in the pipeline. What that means for everyone else is that if you are at all interested in getting one, you better get one, because they will be extremely limited and I'm not likely to do a second round. I'm basically doing this because I'm looking to complete a look I have in mind for one of my boards, and provide everyone else with a MUCH CHEAPER set of doubleshots than you can get in Round 4.

Thoughts? Didn't feel like resurrecting the IC thread.

As for a red on white set, I'm considering one later this year, but anyone can feel free to do one, I'm not asking for dibs. I would say a dyesub set would be ideal for that, but I'm not a big fan of full dyesub sets that aren't straight from Topre lol. Doubleshots would be much cheaper as usual... and no spacebar issues.

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« Reply #463 on: Wed, 08 February 2012, 22:40:09 »
i support his original idea of a blood set, and cant wait until the GB happens.

i like the second option best. with both execute and enter keys.
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« Reply #464 on: Wed, 08 February 2012, 22:41:08 »
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« Reply #465 on: Wed, 08 February 2012, 22:42:53 »
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provide everyone else with a MUCH CHEAPER set of doubleshots than you can get in Round 4.

I would like something interesting that isn't going to take forever to organize and execute and also doesn't cost a fortune. It seems like you can provide all of these things so I know I'm in.

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« Reply #466 on: Wed, 08 February 2012, 22:48:34 »
Yeah, looking to send the order in at the end of the month, so only a couple of weeks, maybe 2.5 to get orders in. Lead time from SP should be shorter as well because this is very standard for them... so I'd probably be getting these keys shipped out mid to late March. There also shouldn't be any cutting fees etc, but those prices aren't final.

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« Reply #467 on: Wed, 08 February 2012, 23:18:13 »
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Yeah, looking to send the order in at the end of the month, so only a couple of weeks, maybe 2.5 to get orders in. Lead time from SP should be shorter as well because this is very standard for them... so I'd probably be getting these keys shipped out mid to late March. There also shouldn't be any cutting fees etc, but those prices aren't final.

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« Reply #468 on: Wed, 08 February 2012, 23:18:31 »
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i support his original idea of a blood set, and cant wait until the GB happens.

i like the second option best. with both execute and enter keys.

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« Reply #469 on: Thu, 09 February 2012, 03:56:43 »
In for a set of Scarlett Keys/Blood or whatever its gonna be called.

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« Reply #470 on: Thu, 09 February 2012, 11:33:50 »
Are there pics of said keys?

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« Reply #471 on: Thu, 09 February 2012, 11:49:46 »
Lmao that would be amazing. Sadly I'm not too sure they would want them posted. :P

Here is a pic of the layout:
[ Attachment Invalid Or Does Not Exist ] 39883[/ATTACH]

I'm thinking the main letters may be a bit smaller than that.

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« Reply #472 on: Thu, 09 February 2012, 11:55:16 »
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Lmao that would be amazing. Sadly I'm not too sure they would want them posted. :P

Here is a pic of the layout:
(Attachment Link) 39883[/ATTACH]

I'm thinking the main letters may be a bit smaller than that.

You mentioned they might not want them posted but does that mean they would not mind doing it and having the pictures taken? Bad Ragnarock!:whip:

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« Reply #473 on: Thu, 09 February 2012, 11:59:20 »
What in the hell are you talking about? Why in the world would they care about that?

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« Reply #474 on: Thu, 09 February 2012, 12:10:02 »
Are you going with arrow keys or up/down/left/right?
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« Reply #475 on: Thu, 09 February 2012, 12:14:16 »
Can't wait for these to come in. This means i'll be able to buy a matching white keyboard for the nyan caps. I hope people here can post pictures with there white keyboards with nyan caps. I want to get the white Filco but it looks a little too creamy

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« Reply #476 on: Thu, 09 February 2012, 12:21:20 »
You would need either a plu or ducky to get close to that white.  Leopold is more greyish white and filco is more cream white.
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« Reply #477 on: Thu, 09 February 2012, 12:43:22 »
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Lmao that would be amazing. Sadly I'm not too sure they would want them posted. :P

Here is a pic of the layout:
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I'm thinking the main letters may be a bit smaller than that.


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« Reply #478 on: Thu, 09 February 2012, 12:45:17 »
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What in the hell are you talking about? Why in the world would they care about that?

Lol nevermind, bad joke I guess. This is why I shouldn't stay up for more than 24 hours.

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« Reply #479 on: Thu, 09 February 2012, 13:32:00 »
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Are you going with arrow keys or up/down/left/right?

Arrows. Pretty sure everyone prefers that right?

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« Reply #480 on: Thu, 09 February 2012, 13:42:54 »
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Arrows. Pretty sure everyone prefers that right?

I prefer WASD for my UpDownLeftRight.
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« Reply #481 on: Thu, 09 February 2012, 13:44:39 »
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Arrows. Pretty sure everyone prefers that right?

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« Reply #482 on: Thu, 09 February 2012, 13:46:18 »
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Arrows. Pretty sure everyone prefers that right?

That's what I was hoping. Not a fan of the words tbh
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« Reply #483 on: Thu, 09 February 2012, 14:03:26 »
Yeah in all seriousness arrows > Words.
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« Reply #484 on: Thu, 09 February 2012, 15:06:16 »
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i support his original idea of a blood set, and cant wait until the GB happens.

i like the second option best. with both execute and enter keys.

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« Reply #485 on: Thu, 09 February 2012, 18:38:17 »
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Arrows. Pretty sure everyone prefers that right?

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« Reply #486 on: Thu, 09 February 2012, 19:18:44 »
Is there going to be an option for a 104 set?

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« Reply #487 on: Thu, 09 February 2012, 19:24:44 »
No. Sorry. I'm not interested in making everyone originally interested in paying more for keys they aren't going to use. It is meant to be cheap, simple, and fast.

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« Reply #488 on: Thu, 09 February 2012, 19:37:46 »
Aww man. Guess I'm out of this GB then.

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« Reply #489 on: Fri, 10 February 2012, 06:06:20 »
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Lmao that would be amazing. Sadly I'm not too sure they would want them posted. :P

Here is a pic of the layout:
(Attachment Link) 39883[/ATTACH]

I'm thinking the main letters may be a bit smaller than that.

Red on Black looks great.
Could it be possible if we have some keycaps in Black on Red (Esc, Execute, Ctrl, WASD, Arrows)???

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« Reply #490 on: Fri, 10 February 2012, 06:57:18 »
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Red on Black looks great.
Could it be possible if we have some keycaps in Black on Red (Esc, Execute, Ctrl, WASD, Arrows)???

Ín general a nice idea. But I'm just thinking that the lighter color keycaps for the keys round the side, won't look as nice.
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« Reply #491 on: Fri, 10 February 2012, 07:01:27 »
you should open a new thread for the blood thingy (or reactivate your old one, i think there was one?), so more people see this discussion :)
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« Reply #492 on: Fri, 10 February 2012, 10:39:06 »
I suppose I might as well. Look for it.

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« Reply #493 on: Sun, 12 February 2012, 02:27:47 »
Okay, so every single keycap of the almost 2000 keys has been sorted, packed, and addressed. Everything is ready to go for Monday, and they will ship out then.


I would like to take this post to remind everyone of my policies regarding shipment. I had about 5 or so orders go missing during the last group buy, during which I either sent out replacement caps or refunded, in full, the full ordering and shipping costs to the buyer. Bear in mind that this results in me eating a fairly significant loss, and isn't the normal understanding I have with some of my friends. That would be where both parties split the loss because the fault is with the carrier, and not with either the recipient or the seller. Insurance and tracking were not offered in this group buy and are not likely to be offered in any other, especially with international, as the rates skyrocket if those are included. It is also a nightmare to try and keep track of 100+ tracking numbers. This is especially disconcerting considering that the top 4 orders are all international, and all around 100 bucks. So fingers crossed guys, and if insurance isn't much more I'm just going to include it on them, but last time I checked it changed the rate from $15 to $40.

If there are lost shipments, I will issue a refund in most circumstances, once a more than reasonable amount of time has passed for the keys to arrive. I recently received a few Team Liquid keycaps after over 2.5 months had passed since initial shipment. I do have leftover Nyanspace and triforce keys of both sizes, but 0, and I do mean 0 rainbow keys left. That means that if your Nyanset got lost in the mail, all I can offer you to replace it is the backspace key + a partial refund. Do not expect me to give you a full refund and compensate you with some free keys or some ****, and don't accuse me of failing to ship them, it is very insulting and I'm getting tired of taking pictures of my 16 ft receipt.

As for damaged keys, I inspected the keys as best I could prior to shipping them (especially Ripsters) to ensure that they were in great shape. If you have a damaged key I will not be replacing it for free. If you really want another one, and you really think for some reason that I am responsible for USPS ****ing up your ****, then if you're willing to pay shipping and the original group buy cost of the key I will send you another one. That means I lose out on whatever profit I might have gotten from selling that key, and you have to pay a few more bucks. Seems fair to me. That said, I had 0 people tell me that their keys were significantly damaged. Bubble mailers may seem more vulnerable, but keycaps are really pretty strong if you think about it. I've stepped on one before and you couldn't tell.

Anyways, I hope that sounds reasonable to everyone. That is basically a more detailed explanation of the policy stated in the OP, and what I have followed thus far in dealing with lost shipments. However this policy is dependent on everyone out there having some integrity because if I wind up with a bunch of people claiming that their packages never got there, and they actually did, I'm going to end up unable to do this anymore because I end up losing money or I have to start charging shipping rates that include tracking and insurance... something that will likely kill future group buys anyways.

TL;DR: I'm not going to screw you, so don't screw me. We're all friends here, but almost all of us are guys, so any screwing isn't exactly pretty. USPS sucks, but it is the only viable option we have.
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« Reply #494 on: Sun, 12 February 2012, 02:33:01 »
You're a superhero, Rag.  Thanks a lot for this group buy!!!
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« Reply #495 on: Sun, 12 February 2012, 03:27:08 »
I'll hopefully get mine by March :D

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« Reply #496 on: Sun, 12 February 2012, 03:37:14 »
Thanks Ragnorock for organizing this chaos, not many people could handle that much logistics on their own.

Hopefully everything will go smoothly and no one will get ****ed over by shipping.
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« Reply #497 on: Sun, 12 February 2012, 08:59:16 »
I might just be lucky, but I've never had a problem with USPS. I've ordered all kinds of stuff from America (I'm in the UK) including expensive guitars and amps, and I've never had a single problem with them. I'm sure it'll be fine for most people. Cheers for selling me a leftover Ragnorock. :)

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Ragnorock's NyanCaps and "Tri Triangle" Group Buy [SHIPPED]
« Reply #498 on: Sun, 12 February 2012, 13:54:04 »
I hope my keycaps don't get lost like with the SC2 groupbuy. :(

Offline Ragnorock

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Ragnorock's NyanCaps and "Tri Triangle" Group Buy [SHIPPED]
« Reply #499 on: Sun, 12 February 2012, 14:33:56 »
Honestly I've begun to suspect that it is due to some people being incompetent with writing their addresses. Yesterday I spent hours writing them all onto envelopes and so many had mistakes, and others I just wrote how I was given them because I have no effing clue how addresses are supposed to be written in Thailand. I had to look a bunch of them up on google because they didn't include zip/postal codes etc. I would be really nice if you guys were to proofread and ensure the address you send me is not only written correctly, but parsed correctly as well. What I mean by that is that it is not really ever the case that your address is 8 lines long, with 1 district/town/region/city per line. You should be able to write something like city, state, zip all on one line. Internationally I have no idea other than the general format I've gathered from shipping several to the same country by now... but please if you care at all about actually getting your keycaps, make damn sure your stuff is right.

For the record, in the US it should look like this:

Herp Derp
555 Flerp St.
Apt. #J
Shelbyville, NC 34523

If you are international you should look up the conventions for your country and always be sure to list the country on a new line at the bottom.

I don't have the time or the will to photograph each package and send everyone the picture of their address, so it is up to you to check the PM you sent me and make sure your address is correct. You have until tomorrow if you wrote it wrong.

People I am most concerned about having written their address wrong due to sheer number of lines or other stuff.
Slyce- So many lines it just scares me. I put Wareham, Dorset on one line instead of two. PS your address is the least fun to fit on a customs form. >.>
Nighted- I wrote the #1-134 just like you wrote me, but I get the feeling that that should be on its own line as an apartment number
Jil_Jil32- I honestly just don't understand this address, why does it start with a "*"? I omitted it and just wrote it as it was written.