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Offline PQStarLord

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #50 on: Mon, 03 July 2017, 05:46:05 »
I tried flipping and it felt ridiculous.  I presume it must have something to do with wrist position on the desk?

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #51 on: Mon, 03 July 2017, 06:50:53 »
I tried it too, because i thought that it would feel better. Man was i wrong.
I think that it could be nice with keyboards that have a case with no high border around the keys (like the one on davkols picture) in case you rest your palms while typing.
However mine has a higher border and when i use my spacebar flipped while resting my palms, my thumbs keep hitting the edge of the board and that's way more annoying.
With hovering hands and flipped spacebar the angle didn't feel great either.
 

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #52 on: Wed, 05 July 2017, 11:25:18 »
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #53 on: Tue, 18 July 2017, 09:49:55 »
Flipped spacebar makes sense due to hitting it with your thumbs, plus no legend.  I've seen a few people flip bottom row modifiers which seems silly.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #54 on: Tue, 18 July 2017, 21:43:27 »
Flipped spacebar makes sense due to hitting it with your thumbs, plus no legend.  I've seen a few people flip bottom row modifiers which seems silly.

I hit a non-flipped space bar with my thumb all day without any issues.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #55 on: Tue, 18 July 2017, 22:39:15 »
Flipped spacebar makes sense due to hitting it with your thumbs, plus no legend.  I've seen a few people flip bottom row modifiers which seems silly.

I hit a non-flipped space bar with my thumb all day without any issues.

Your thumbs may be broken
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #56 on: Tue, 18 July 2017, 23:41:13 »
I can understand why people want to flip the space bar on Topre profile or Signature Plastics' DCS profile because of the sharp front edge of those space bars... but Cherry profile? Really?
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #57 on: Wed, 19 July 2017, 22:12:54 »
Flipped spacebar makes sense due to hitting it with your thumbs, plus no legend.  I've seen a few people flip bottom row modifiers which seems silly.

I hit a non-flipped space bar with my thumb all day without any issues.

Your thumbs may be broken

My thumbs are fine, thank you.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #58 on: Sun, 23 July 2017, 01:17:20 »
I love flipped space on my pok3r but it just doesn't work on my filco.
Do I have to rearrange the entire costar stabilizer to get it to work?

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #59 on: Sun, 23 July 2017, 01:30:38 »
flipped. It's the only way to fly.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #60 on: Fri, 28 July 2017, 17:49:09 »
Go big or go home I always say, so I flipped my whole keyboard upside down to give it a try. But now my thumbs hit numbers instead of spaces..

I'm so confused...

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #61 on: Mon, 31 July 2017, 21:51:36 »
I love flipped space on my pok3r but it just doesn't work on my filco.
Do I have to rearrange the entire costar stabilizer to get it to work?

If you REALLY want to, you'll have to rotate the stabiliser inserts under the space bar 180 degrees.

If you REALLY want to.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #62 on: Mon, 31 July 2017, 23:14:03 »
I love flipped space on my pok3r but it just doesn't work on my filco.
Do I have to rearrange the entire costar stabilizer to get it to work?

If you REALLY want to, you'll have to rotate the stabiliser inserts under the space bar 180 degrees.

If you REALLY want to.

Hmm bar still catches on the switch housing, does THAT need to be flipped around as well?
How deep does flipception go?

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #63 on: Mon, 31 July 2017, 23:59:12 »
no need to flip the space on DSA

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #64 on: Tue, 01 August 2017, 21:47:06 »
I love flipped space on my pok3r but it just doesn't work on my filco.
Do I have to rearrange the entire costar stabilizer to get it to work?

If you REALLY want to, you'll have to rotate the stabiliser inserts under the space bar 180 degrees.

If you REALLY want to.

Hmm bar still catches on the switch housing, does THAT need to be flipped around as well?
How deep does flipception go?

Just don't flip - keep things as the manufacturer intended :p
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #65 on: Tue, 01 August 2017, 22:14:00 »
I just think flipped spacebar looks worse and keyboards are all about aesthetic imo

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Flipped Space
« Reply #66 on: Tue, 01 August 2017, 22:35:15 »
I just think flipped spacebar looks worse and keyboards are all about aesthetic imo
I can't use my keyboard if it doesn't look nice, it's in front of me all day. 75% of keyboards for me is finding the prettiest one.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #67 on: Thu, 17 August 2017, 11:22:25 »
I personally don't like it. I tried it and didn't like how my thumb couldn't feel for the edge to rest on. Funny enough, I'm guessing this is why people flip it.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #68 on: Thu, 17 August 2017, 12:49:46 »
My thumb feels as if it's going to slip off the spacebar when it's flipped. The edge gives it a place to rest.

When playing games, I especially rely on the edge of the spacebar to catch my thumb because I usually flick the spacebar when jumping or climbing in game rather than pressing it. I've actually found DSA to be a bit difficult to use for games because of this.


And it does look ugly to me when it's flipped.  :-X

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #69 on: Fri, 18 August 2017, 14:30:26 »
PSA: NON FLIPPED SPACEBARS WILL BE ERADICATED SOON

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #70 on: Fri, 18 August 2017, 15:29:22 »
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #71 on: Tue, 22 August 2017, 21:46:02 »
PSA: NON FLIPPED SPACEBARS WILL BE ERADICATED SOON

I am disturbed by your lack of non-flipped space bars.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #72 on: Sun, 10 September 2017, 02:52:09 »
So after 2+ years of flipping my spacebars I tried typing on a board without a flipped space and it feels terrible, I hit right between B & M and directly on the leading edge of the spacebar's top surface. I'm sure my exact space hit placement has changed a bit after flipping but at this point I don't think I could go back.

This happened to me after just a few days of flipped spacebardom. That sharp edge is just unbearable!
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #73 on: Sun, 10 September 2017, 22:03:23 »
So after 2+ years of flipping my spacebars I tried typing on a board without a flipped space and it feels terrible, I hit right between B & M and directly on the leading edge of the spacebar's top surface. I'm sure my exact space hit placement has changed a bit after flipping but at this point I don't think I could go back.

This happened to me after just a few days of flipped spacebardom. That sharp edge is just unbearable!

What is all this talk about sharp edges?

Space bar has same profile as Ctrl/Win/Alt/Menu - don't you find they have "sharp edges" too?
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #74 on: Sun, 10 September 2017, 22:35:23 »
So after 2+ years of flipping my spacebars I tried typing on a board without a flipped space and it feels terrible, I hit right between B & M and directly on the leading edge of the spacebar's top surface. I'm sure my exact space hit placement has changed a bit after flipping but at this point I don't think I could go back.

This happened to me after just a few days of flipped spacebardom. That sharp edge is just unbearable!

What is all this talk about sharp edges?

Space bar has same profile as Ctrl/Win/Alt/Menu - don't you find they have "sharp edges" too?

You press them differently. It's not literally every single word.

This is my only problem with SA too. You can't flip that ****. It literally hurts to type on. :(
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #75 on: Mon, 11 September 2017, 02:05:00 »
What is all this talk about sharp edges?

Space bar has same profile as Ctrl/Win/Alt/Menu - don't you find they have "sharp edges" too?

I don't hit those keys with my thumb  :p
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #76 on: Mon, 11 September 2017, 21:55:29 »
What is all this talk about sharp edges?

Space bar has same profile as Ctrl/Win/Alt/Menu - don't you find they have "sharp edges" too?

I don't hit those keys with my thumb  :p

I do!  With either thumb, depending on which side of the keyboard.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #77 on: Tue, 12 September 2017, 10:45:55 »
I hit left control with my thumb but at a completely different angle (my control is immediately left of my spacebar)
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #78 on: Tue, 12 September 2017, 21:56:07 »
I hit left control with my thumb but at a completely different angle (my control is immediately left of my spacebar)

Sounds like a non-standard layout.

I probably hit Ctrl and Alt more edge on with a thumb while the rest of my hand (either hand, depending on the side of the keyboard) is stretching across the keyboard, in contradistinction to space which I tend to hit more on the top flat surface about 3/4 to the right.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #79 on: Thu, 14 September 2017, 05:39:49 »
I was trained to touch-type using a very old mechanical typewriter. You have to slam the keys really fast and hard so that the letter shaped lever press against the ribbon with enough force. So it really doesn't make any sense for me to flip the spacebar, so that your thumbs can rest comfortably on it. When I actually type, NONE of my fingers are resting on the keycaps, they all hover above the keycaps.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #80 on: Fri, 15 September 2017, 15:59:24 »
I can't do flipped mainly because it just looks awful ._.

Relatively indifferent to the feel. I can somewhat understand why people like a flipped space bar (more of your finger hits more of the top surface area), but I am inclined to believe that incorrect typing posture would lead to the use of a flipped space bar. Ultimately, to each their own though. I won't go so far as to say there is a 'right' or 'wrong', either.

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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #81 on: Fri, 15 September 2017, 18:19:41 »
It's not really about your typing posture IMO, more about what angle you like to keep your thumb at. Higher up and you'd have no problems, but lower down where I like it and you start hitting the corner even if your hands are properly elevated. These effects would be exacerbated by a poor typing posture however.
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Re: Flipped Space
« Reply #82 on: Sun, 17 September 2017, 16:12:59 »
Feels great to me, It's all personal preference.  :thumb:
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