[GB] Nuclear Data Green SA Row 3 - The long awaited keycap set.

[Arcoril]

Got my replacements and a cool little gift! Thanks so much for making this happen, Sam. Really loving this set!

[Oobly]

Got my fixed keys and the special gift! Thank you, Ron!

My relegendables are still being held hostage in customs, but I'll set them free today and hopefully they'll be in my hands soon Then there's the Rad Hard set still to come... so much Nuclear Green goodness. I'm going to make up a full mix of all the sets for a photo shoot once they arrive.

[katushkin]

So I got my replacements and my GH key yesterday (thanks Ron!), but I am still yet to get my full set.

I asked SP about this about 10 days ago and they sent me a tracking number when they realised my order had not been sent out with the rest, however that tracking number says it was delivered yesterday...the day i received my replacements...

I am confused...

[henz]

So I got my replacements and my GH key yesterday (thanks Ron!), but I am still yet to get my full set.

I asked SP about this about 10 days ago and they sent me a tracking number when they realised my order had not been sent out with the rest, however that tracking number says it was delivered yesterday...the day i received my replacements...

I am confused...

Anyone with previous experience with these think I should be worried at all?

Last update in the tracking:
November 7, 2014   23:22:00      PROCESSED THROUGH OFFICE OF EXCHANGE

I have received the extras that were sent out after so don't know what's taking the main set so long....

Where are you?

In the UK - I'm happy to wait its just odd the second set has got to me before the the main set. Just checking as this is my first group buy

Main Set:
Date   Time   Location   Status
November 7, 2014   23:22:00      PROCESSED THROUGH OFFICE OF EXCHANGE
November 1, 2014   23:18:00   LOS ANGELES, CA 90009   PROCESSED THROUGH USPS SORT FACILITY
November 1, 2014   22:20:00   LOS ANGELES, CA 90009   DEPART USPS SORT FACILITY
November 1, 2014   22:02:00   90009   INTERNATIONAL DISPATCH READY
November 1, 2014   21:17:00   LOS ANGELES, CA 90009   PROCESSED THROUGH USPS SORT FACILITY
October 30, 2014   22:19:00   KENT, WA 98032   PROCESSED THROUGH USPS SORT FACILITY
October 30, 2014   22:02:00   KENT, WA 98032   PROCESSED THROUGH USPS SORT FACILITY
October 30, 2014   16:30:00   CUSTER, WA 98240   DEPART POST OFFICE
October 30, 2014   16:18:00   CUSTER, WA 98240   PICKED UP
October 30, 2014   14:01:00   98240   Electronic Notification



Additional/Surprise set (with Geek Hack key):
Date   Time   Location   Status
November 25, 2014   9:40 am      Delivered
November 23, 2014   3:59 pm      Processed Through Sort Facility
November 22, 2014   7:44 am   London,   Departed
November 21, 2014   7:08 pm   New York,   Departed
November 20, 2014   9:33 pm   Los Angeles,   Departed
November 20, 2014   4:17 pm   Los Angeles,   Arrived
November 20, 2014   7:50 am   ISC LOS ANGELES CA (USPS),   Processed Through Sort Facility
November 20, 2014   7:40 am   LOS ANGELES, CA 90009   Arrived at USPS Facility
November 20, 2014   7:40 am   ISC LOS ANGELES CA (USPS),   Arrived at Sort Facility
November 20, 2014   3:12 am   KENT, WA 98032   Departed USPS Facility
November 19, 2014   1:07 am   KENT, WA 98032   Arrived at USPS Origin Facility
November 18, 2014   4:04 pm   CUSTER, WA 98240   Departed Post Office
November 18, 2014   3:37 pm   CUSTER, WA 98240   Picked Up

Also, am I best contacting Massdrop or SP to query?

Thanks for any info, bit of a noob at this

Same problemo? UK customs thinks the green goodies are some kind of drugs?

[katushkin]

My replacements got straight through though =/

Usually you would get sent a note saying you have something to pay for for customs, but yeah, nothing yet.

[kalrand]

Do you think there would be interest in a JD40 kit during round 2?  Or even as a standalone mini-group buy?

-Kal

[00zeRO]

Do you think there would be interest in a JD40 kit during round 2?  Or even as a standalone mini-group buy?

-Kal

You got my interest...

[samwisekoi]

Do you think there would be interest in a JD40 kit during round 2?  Or even as a standalone mini-group buy?

-Kal

You got my interest...

There would have been a JD40 kit during Round *1* -- if only there was a canonical JD40 layout.  My JD40 is very different from JD's own, and probably from yours as well.  (You can find the posts if you read back eleventy-seven pages.)

This gap was mostly addressed with blanks of (I believe) all sizes.

However, if someone comes up with an official JD40 layout, it would be awesome if it could also cover the JD45.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

[kalrand]

Do you think there would be interest in a JD40 kit during round 2?  Or even as a standalone mini-group buy?

-Kal

You got my interest...

There would have been a JD40 kit during Round *1* -- if only there was a canonical JD40 layout.  My JD40 is very different from JD's own, and probably from yours as well.  (You can find the posts if you read back eleventy-seven pages.)

This gap was mostly addressed with blanks of (I believe) all sizes.

However, if someone comes up with an official JD40 layout, it would be awesome if it could also cover the JD45.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

From what I can tell, most of the top layer layouts still largely follow JD's original layout or his alternate one. I know my top layer looks like the left of his original layout (win key) and the right of his alternate layout.

I think Deep Space's JD40 kit covers just about all the layouts I've seen that were even close to ANSI/ISO/DVORAK related, and probably what we could model a Nuclear one off of.

Personally, I own a bunch of blanks, and got the specialty kit to cover some of the blank spots.

Speaking of, we should talk about the Enter key in the specialty kit...

[rowdy]

Replacements arrived, along with the couple of keys that PMK sent incorrectly the first time.

Thanks for the extra, Ron, much appreciate

Only right SHIF T though, not the left one too?  Only asking out of curiosity, not complaining

[samwisekoi]

Replacements arrived, along with the couple of keys that PMK sent incorrectly the first time.

Thanks for the extra, Ron, much appreciate

Only right SHIF T though, not the left one too?  Only asking out of curiosity, not complaining

The right shift was modified to math the left.  I don't have a set with me at the moment, or I'd look to be sure.

Speaking of, we should talk about the Enter key in the specialty kit...

No, we really shouldn't...

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Sig auto-typed by my GH36 LH keypad.

[ash27]

My replacements got straight through though =/

Usually you would get sent a note saying you have something to pay for for customs, but yeah, nothing yet.

Glad I am not the only one still waiting Been a month today, want to play with the keys already haha.
Hopefully its just delays and not any problems. I also have not received anything to state I need to pay for customs.

[katushkin]

My replacements got straight through though =/

Usually you would get sent a note saying you have something to pay for for customs, but yeah, nothing yet.

Glad I am not the only one still waiting Been a month today, want to play with the keys already haha.
Hopefully its just delays and not any problems. I also have not received anything to state I need to pay for customs.

I just wanna swap my ABS caps out on my WASD and put my lovely doubleshots on

I'm very interested in seeing what SA is like to type on...

[rowdy]

My replacements got straight through though =/

Usually you would get sent a note saying you have something to pay for for customs, but yeah, nothing yet.

Glad I am not the only one still waiting Been a month today, want to play with the keys already haha.
Hopefully its just delays and not any problems. I also have not received anything to state I need to pay for customs.

I just wanna swap my ABS caps out on my WASD and put my lovely doubleshots on

I'm very interested in seeing what SA is like to type on...

I also was, and found that I actually really like it, especially with MX greens.  I like the feel of the keycaps, the profile doesn't bother me at all, and the extra weight of teh SA profile caps on the stiff greens is hardly noticeable.

[kalrand]

So what board are people putting these on?

I tried out the number pad keys on one of my G80-3700s and it looks really good. I've been trying to find a big, beige 90's style keyboard for them ever since, and I can't really find a good one...

(Yes, yes, the GH122 when it comes out will be perfect, but until then...)

[katushkin]

I also was, and found that I actually really like it, especially with MX greens.  I like the feel of the keycaps, the profile doesn't bother me at all, and the extra weight of teh SA profile caps on the stiff greens is hardly noticeable.

Mine are going onto clears, so I'm hopeful that I won't feel the difference either

[Synjin]

I also was, and found that I actually really like it, especially with MX greens.  I like the feel of the keycaps, the profile doesn't bother me at all, and the extra weight of teh SA profile caps on the stiff greens is hardly noticeable.

Mine are going onto clears, so I'm hopeful that I won't feel the difference either

I will be putting mine on ergo clears lubed 62g. I can tell you how it fairs if you would like but I first need to get my flux remover to clean my board.

[Oobly]

I also was, and found that I actually really like it, especially with MX greens.  I like the feel of the keycaps, the profile doesn't bother me at all, and the extra weight of teh SA profile caps on the stiff greens is hardly noticeable.

Mine are going onto clears, so I'm hopeful that I won't feel the difference either

I will be putting mine on ergo clears lubed 62g. I can tell you how it fairs if you would like but I first need to get my flux remover to clean my board.

And I can tell you that they feel awesome on Clears and 62g ErgoClears! IMHO, they do change the feel somewhat due to the extra mass (moreso on the ErgoClears, but somewhat on stock Clears, too), but it's a good change. Makes the keys feel a little more substantial and higher quality.

I have tried OEM uv-printed ABS, SP DCS, GMK Cherry profile doubleshots, thin Cherry PBT, medium thickness OEM PBT, medium thickness OEM POM and SA profile caps on my 62g ErgoClears and SA are by far my favourite, both in terms of switch feeling and profile. GMK comes second.

[AKmalamute]

I'm guessing this was discussed and I didn't catch it but: I tried putting a 1.5 blank onto my Ergodox, and found that since it had an LED in that switch, I couldn't use it there: if I bottomed out the switch, the LED would cause the cap to stick, and I would have to manually unstick it every time I bottomed out -- I think I could depress it far enough to actuate the switch, but bottoming out caused it to catch on the LED -- tried two such positions (third is a 1x key so it wouldn't matter).

Caps work fine elsewhere. Thoughts? Aside from desolder and use smaller LEDs I suppose.

[Oobly]

I'm guessing this was discussed and I didn't catch it but: I tried putting a 1.5 blank onto my Ergodox, and found that since it had an LED in that switch, I couldn't use it there: if I bottomed out the switch, the LED would cause the cap to stick, and I would have to manually unstick it every time I bottomed out -- I think I could depress it far enough to actuate the switch, but bottoming out caused it to catch on the LED -- tried two such positions (third is a 1x key so it wouldn't matter).

Caps work fine elsewhere. Thoughts? Aside from desolder and use smaller LEDs I suppose.

What type of LED is it? I don't have a problem with any of the SA caps on my LED boards. I'm using 3mm flangeless LED's, the same as come standard on most LED boards. My main board has "inverted" switches, with LED's on the bottom side instead of the top, so I inverted some 1.5x caps to test and they didn't stick, don't think they even touch the LED.

It could just be that LED isn't soldered in properly and sticks out or that the legs are bent a bit and it sticks out sideways?

You can file the plastic part of the LED a bit if you don't want to swap LED's, something like this:

[Oobly]

I'll just leave these here:

[Data]

Awesome.

[samwisekoi]

@Oobly,

Brilliant!  What switches, if I may be so bold as to enquire?

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Sig auto-typed by my GH36 LH keypad.

[Oobly]

Awesome.

Thanks!

@Oobly,

Brilliant!  What switches, if I may be so bold as to enquire?

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Sig auto-typed by my GH36 LH keypad.

62g ErgoClears (trampoline and latex modded). Still wearing them in, so haven't lubed them yet. SA keycaps feel awesome on them. Thank you for running this GB! And the prompt fix sending out the replacement caps. The orange GeekHack key is very premium

[kalrand]

However, if someone comes up with an official JD40 layout, it would be awesome if it could also cover the JD45.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

I might see what I can do about this....

[00zeRO]

However, if someone comes up with an official JD40 layout, it would be awesome if it could also cover the JD45.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

I might see what I can do about this....

I'd be game...

[nomaded]

I'm guessing this was discussed and I didn't catch it but: I tried putting a 1.5 blank onto my Ergodox, and found that since it had an LED in that switch, I couldn't use it there: if I bottomed out the switch, the LED would cause the cap to stick, and I would have to manually unstick it every time I bottomed out -- I think I could depress it far enough to actuate the switch, but bottoming out caused it to catch on the LED -- tried two such positions (third is a 1x key so it wouldn't matter).

Caps work fine elsewhere. Thoughts? Aside from desolder and use smaller LEDs I suppose.

Interesting. I have SA keycaps on both of my ErgoDoxen and I haven't noticed a sticking problem with the 1.5u caps (blank or otherwise) on the 2 switches that have LEDs in them.

I'm using the LEDs that Massdrop provided with each keyboard. The LEDs are just sitting on top of the diode slot of the keyswitch (Clears on both of my ErgoDoxen) -- I didn't do the Dremel mod to allow full access to the switch without desoldering the LED.

[Elrick]

I also was, and found that I actually really like it, especially with MX greens.  I like the feel of the keycaps, the profile doesn't bother me at all, and the extra weight of teh SA profile caps on the stiff greens is hardly noticeable.

Too FVCKING right  .

These caps are for the heavy switches like the Greens and Greys (having one keyboard made up with these).  Just glad that we finally have a keyset that isn't too lame to look at like some of the current crap released by SP thus far.

Really looks good in any black coloured keyboard, just makes the Nuclears jump out at you with an attitude, which I like.  You've done extremely well here Sam for running this and keeping it conservative, the only way to live  .

[kalrand]

However, if someone comes up with an official JD40 layout, it would be awesome if it could also cover the JD45.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

I might see what I can do about this....

I took a look at this tonight, and I really don't see much in the way of commonality between the JD40 and the JD45. So then I happily went back to looking at the 40.

^{The Nuclear 40. Today.}

I took JD's original layouts and colored in the keys that are covered by the base kit. This is below:

<sup>Original


Alternate</sup>

And that leaves me with the following JD40 kit that can handle either of those layouts:

What do you guys think?

[00zeRO]

However, if someone comes up with an official JD40 layout, it would be awesome if it could also cover the JD45.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

I might see what I can do about this....

I took a look at this tonight, and I really don't see much in the way of commonality between the JD40 and the JD45. So then I happily went back to looking at the 40.

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^{The Nuclear 40. Today.}

I took JD's original layouts and colored in the keys that are covered by the base kit. This is below:

(Attachment Link)
^Original

(Attachment Link)
^Alternate

And that leaves me with the following JD40 kit that can handle either of those layouts:

(Attachment Link)

What do you guys think?

I am with that, but my layout is being tweaked while I get used to it. This is day one of ownership and I am still learning the layout I created for mine. I should call mine the ADD40 or ADHD40. Teehee. I definitely am regretting not participating in the Eve GB just because I now see the value of DSA on this thing. I love my DCS and OEM profiles, but it makes it easier when all have a uniform height. I wish I could just borrow someone's Nuclear Data for a day just to see what SA feels like on this awesome piece of JDCarpentry.

[katushkin]

Soooo, my GB just got sent out for the second time apparently?

Third time lucky I guess?

[bianco]

got these sent to me via forwarding service


a kind gesture, highly appreciated. thank you kind sir

[katushkin]

got these sent to me via forwarding service

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a kind gesture, highly appreciated. thank you kind sir

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So THAT's what a lightsaver looks like... No wonder people like them. I might have to get one...

Now I'm wondering how good these keys would look with the Russian cyrillic alphabet on...

[samwisekoi]

a kind gesture, highly appreciated. thank you kind sir

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You (and everyone) are very welcome!  Thanks for participating!

Now I'm wondering how good these keys would look with the Russian cyrillic alphabet on...

Oh, man, yes!  And because these are all Row 3 profile, and thus interchangeable, we could get Cyrillic alphas made and arrange them for Russian or arrange them where they appear to belong in Latin.  (For example the Cyrrilic character "В" is pronounced "Vee", and "Н" is actually "En", but we could pretend they were B and H.


Russian alphabet in capital letters.  Wikipedia, 2014.

@katushkin, this was your idea, so now you need to do a layout!   ;D

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Sig auto-typed by my GH36 LH keypad.

[katushkin]

Now I'm wondering how good these keys would look with the Russian cyrillic alphabet on...

Oh, man, yes!  And because these are all Row 3 profile, and thus interchangeable, we could get Cyrillic alphas made and arrange them for Russian or arrange them where they appear to belong in Latin.  (For example the Cyrrilic character "В" is pronounced "Vee", and "Н" is actually "En", but we could pretend they were B and H.

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Russian alphabet in capital letters.  Wikipedia, 2014.

@katushkin, this was your idea, so now you need to do a layout!   ;D

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Sig auto-typed by my GH36 LH keypad.

Oh boy. I have no idea how the cyrillic alphabet goes... Erm... D:

Would help if I had a Nuclear set to look at... ;)

[rowdy]

got these sent to me via forwarding service

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Those keyboards somehow look too busy to me - too many keys squashed together.  But somehow NDG makes it look just right!

[katushkin]

got these sent to me via forwarding service

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Sorry, I can't get over how good that looks. It's amazing.

[Data]

Is there any interest in a follow-up kit for this that would include:
1.5u Shift, green (x2)
1.5u Return, orange
1.5u Escape, orange

Just 4 keys.  I'm trying to finish up my Ergodox and these are the 4 keys that look the most out-of-place without their legends.

I can start a formal IC thread I guess...

[kalrand]

Has anyone tried putting these keys on a beige keyboard? How does that look?

I tossed the numpad set on a beige keypad, and that's tempting me to go try to find a beige keyboard to put these on...

[AKmalamute]

Is there any interest in a follow-up kit for this that would include:
1.5u Shift, green (x2)
1.5u Return, orange
1.5u Escape, orange

Just 4 keys.  I'm trying to finish up my Ergodox and these are the 4 keys that look the most out-of-place without their legends.

I can start a formal IC thread I guess...

Maybe. I'm pretty much broke but I love me some (more) 1.5mods for sure.

Speaking of which: it's my turn for show and tell!



I made a special USB cable so that when I build a case around it, the USB cord will be detachable ... and solid!

[Data]

That's pretty cool AK.

What layout is that?

[engicoder]

That's pretty cool AK.

What layout is that?

Dvorak

[Data]

That's pretty cool AK.

What layout is that?

Dvorak

I meant the switch placement, sorry.

[SpAmRaY]

That's pretty cool AK.

What layout is that?

Dvorak

I meant the switch placement, sorry.

That is a phantom with a 7bit plate.

[00zeRO]

Is there any interest in a follow-up kit for this that would include:
1.5u Shift, green (x2)
1.5u Return, orange
1.5u Escape, orange

Just 4 keys.  I'm trying to finish up my Ergodox and these are the 4 keys that look the most out-of-place without their legends.

I can start a formal IC thread I guess...

Maybe. I'm pretty much broke but I love me some (more) 1.5mods for sure.

Speaking of which: it's my turn for show and tell!

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I made a special USB cable so that when I build a case around it, the USB cord will be detachable ... and solid!

I love the Vault 13 being the focal point of the spacebar. But then again, I am biased.  ;D

[Data]

That's pretty cool AK.

What layout is that?

Dvorak

I meant the switch placement, sorry.

That is a phantom with a 7bit plate.

It's rad.

[ThreadKiller]

Is there any interest in a follow-up kit for this that would include:
1.5u Shift, green (x2)
1.5u Return, orange
1.5u Escape, orange

Just 4 keys.  I'm trying to finish up my Ergodox and these are the 4 keys that look the most out-of-place without their legends.

I can start a formal IC thread I guess...

Maybe. I'm pretty much broke but I love me some (more) 1.5mods for sure.

Speaking of which: it's my turn for show and tell!

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I made a special USB cable so that when I build a case around it, the USB cord will be detachable ... and solid!

So I'm not the only one in the world with a 7bit nuclear data keyboard.

[katushkin]

So SP have resent mine. It was processed through the office of exchange last night, so hopefully I get it today or tomorrow?

Sigh...

[samwisekoi]

So SP have resent mine. It was processed through the office of exchange last night, so hopefully I get it today or tomorrow?

Sigh...

Man, I am very sorry for what you've gone through.  However, I have to say that the phrase "SP have resent mine" is exactly why this new PMK system is A Good Thing.

After processing thirty thousand Retro DSA keycaps the old way, I had no option but to try and support these sort of things out of my own pocket and sets.  As a result, some sets went postal in ways I couldn't fix AND at the end of the whole experience, I did not have a complete set of Retro DSA myself.   

Anyhow, sorry to hear your tale of woe, and I hope the Royal Mail gives you your second set soon!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Sig auto-typed by my GH36 LH keypad.

[rowdy]

So SP have resent mine. It was processed through the office of exchange last night, so hopefully I get it today or tomorrow?

Sigh...

Man, I am very sorry for what you've gone through.  However, I have to say that the phrase "SP have resent mine" is exactly why this new PMK system is A Good Thing.

After processing thirty thousand Retro DSA keycaps the old way, I had no option but to try and support these sort of things out of my own pocket and sets.  As a result, some sets went postal in ways I couldn't fix AND at the end of the whole experience, I did not have a complete set of Retro DSA myself.   

Anyhow, sorry to hear your tale of woe, and I hope the Royal Mail gives you your second set soon!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Sig auto-typed by my GH36 LH keypad.

+1 for PMK!