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Title: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: dingusxmcgee on Mon, 12 October 2020, 07:00:12
Introducing

Paw
(https://i.imgur.com/UU10Rwz.jpeg)
A project by dingusxmcgee and KnoblesseOblige


Paw is an arrow cluster macropad, aimed at expanding any desk setup with increased functionality, sleek design and convenience.
With onboard Bluetooth, brass accents and a sandblasted polycarbonate case, Paw will be a standout piece no matter where you use it.


Let's skip right to some renders prototype photos
(https://i.imgur.com/18oOS1y.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/DhyOJKS.jpeg)




I brought this idea to KnoblesseOblige (Taylor) back in May, and what started as a meme, grew into reality. After 2 rounds of prototyping, many hours optimizing and brainstorming, we are ready to bring our project to the masses. The goal was to fill the gap left by moving to smaller and smaller boards: missing arrow keys. With Paw, you can bring your arrow keys anywhere and effortlessly expand the possibilities of big and small boards alike.



(https://i.imgur.com/uI5KVNl.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/WGXDS1B.jpeg)
More pics (https://imgur.com/a/AhX9wRe) and More pics (https://imgur.com/a/CWqce3b)
Photo credit to Hoodrow Thrillson


Short Demo Video
https://imgur.com/a/h3HnCPl


Specs
Sandblasted Polycarbonate Top and Bottom(frosted)
Sandblasted, Top mount Brass plate
Sandblasted Brass weight
Approximately 81 grams built
4 Onboard RGB LEDs
PCB includes ESD protection and Hotswap
Onboard Bluetooth functionality
Note: Due to licensing conflicts, Paw will not ship, nor be compatible with, main QMK. It will ship with ZMK, and Bluetooth-first firmware that has more permissive licensing and better battery life optimizations. A QMK fork will be available to self-compile if you would like to pursue that method. Please note that ZMK will not have feature parity with QMK, though it is being actively developed and maintained. You can find more information here: https://zmkfirmware.dev (https://zmkfirmware.dev)
150mah battery (approximate usage rates: 30 days of active use and 60 days standby)
Note: values are approximate and subject to change based on usage and firmware used


GroupBuy Details
Start Date:10PM EST November 9th
End Date:10PM EST November 23rd
Quantity: Maximum 200 units
Method: FCFS
Price: $150 USD
Estimated Ship Date: January 2021



Vendors
Aeternus Decorum (https://store.aeternus.co/)



Show Your Interest!
IC Form (https://forms.gle/F42PWK6ZcZVRXXui6)



Collaborations
Limited edition full arrow cluster artisans, crafted and cast by the infinitely talented Pseudoku!
50 x translucent with mica powders @ $30/unit
10 x Petri @ $45/unit
1~2 x tungsten cold cast @ $60/unit
1~2 x kintsugi petri  @ $60/unit
See examples of previous work at Pesudoku's Instagram page! Asymplex (https://www.instagram.com/asymplex/)


Updates/IC Log
10-12-20: IC posted
10-12-20: Fixed ZMK link
10-14-20: Added Top mount spec and weight of fully built unit
10-15-20: Clarified who is running the project
10-23-20: Update specs to include hotswap, update GB date to november 9th
11-8-20: Updated GB start and end time from 10am CST to 10 PM EST
11-9-20: GB thread is live! https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109489.0


Special Thanks
Special thanks to our prototype round buyers for their patience and willingness to join us on this project. We would not be where we are without your trust and interest in what we do.
Thanks to KnoblesseOblige for being an incredible person to work with and for always bringing his best to the table, this project would not be here without you.
Huge thanks to my wife for supporting me in this hobby.
Thanks to Hoodrow for the beautiful Paw photos.
Thanks to Rose for helping with artwork.
Shoutout to my mom, who will never read this. Love you mom.
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: KuroTheCrazy on Mon, 12 October 2020, 07:02:05
but how do you type numbers
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: Willtato on Mon, 12 October 2020, 07:02:17
Want

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Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Mon, 12 October 2020, 07:05:07
Yes I like.

The macropad you never knew you needed.
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: Agilr on Mon, 12 October 2020, 07:10:01
Hope it's top mount for that consistent 4-key plate feel :p

This is just so fun and cute that I have to have one ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: dingusxmcgee on Mon, 12 October 2020, 07:14:36
Quote from: Agilr on Mon, 12 October 2020, 07:10:01
Hope it's top mount for that consistent 4-key plate feel :p

This is just so fun and cute that I have to have one ;)

Wow i totally missed that! Yes it is top mount ;)
Also, why stop at 1  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: Agilr on Mon, 12 October 2020, 07:15:41
Quote from: dingusxmcgee on Mon, 12 October 2020, 07:14:36
Quote from: Agilr on Mon, 12 October 2020, 07:10:01
Hope it's top mount for that consistent 4-key plate feel :p

This is just so fun and cute that I have to have one ;)

Wow i totally missed that! Yes it is top mount ;)
Also, why stop at 1  ;D

You're an absolute legend, you have my money
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: Nathan_ on Mon, 12 October 2020, 07:17:10
looks awesome, cant wait to have a paw on my desk
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: brln on Mon, 12 October 2020, 07:26:47
Yes, please.
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: BapoDonu on Mon, 12 October 2020, 07:29:50
pog
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: Ariamella on Mon, 12 October 2020, 07:50:34
Pictures of the internals and PCB please
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: Koobaczech on Mon, 12 October 2020, 08:01:59
Super innovative and well put together. Exciting to see projects like this, and def in for one!
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: zedbraxmen on Mon, 12 October 2020, 08:19:05
Yes.
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: Xonuss on Mon, 12 October 2020, 08:25:16
This is perfect!
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: Francisco on Mon, 12 October 2020, 08:46:54
Quote
Price: $150 USD
Really?

Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: lush_bunny on Mon, 12 October 2020, 09:17:25
Typing Test when?
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: dingusxmcgee on Mon, 12 October 2020, 11:11:41
Quote from: lush_bunny on Mon, 12 October 2020, 09:17:25
Typing Test when?

Shortest typing test you've ever seen in the Demo  :))
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Mon, 12 October 2020, 11:39:45
Quote from: Francisco on Mon, 12 October 2020, 08:46:54
Quote
Price: $150 USD
Really?
yes
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: Kokaloo on Mon, 12 October 2020, 11:41:22
Quote from: HoodrowThrillson on Mon, 12 October 2020, 11:39:45
Quote from: Francisco on Mon, 12 October 2020, 08:46:54
Quote
Price: $150 USD
Really?
yes
nice
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: factoryofidols on Mon, 12 October 2020, 11:45:10
Quote from: Kokaloo on Mon, 12 October 2020, 11:41:22
Quote from: HoodrowThrillson on Mon, 12 October 2020, 11:39:45
Quote from: Francisco on Mon, 12 October 2020, 08:46:54
Quote
Price: $150 USD
Really?
yes
nice
PAWsome
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: hong@RebultKeyboards on Mon, 12 October 2020, 11:53:37
Cute!
Never felt I needed an arrow macropad but this is something else🤣
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Mon, 12 October 2020, 11:58:09
No numbers. Deal breaker.
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: suicidal_orange on Mon, 12 October 2020, 12:59:04
Quote from: KuroTheCrazy on Mon, 12 October 2020, 07:02:05
but how do you type numbers

It's programmable so you could make each key an FN when held so hold left and up becomes 1, down 2 and right 3.  Hold down and left becomes 4, up 5 and right 6.  Hold right and left is 7, up 8 and down 9.  That leaves up to switch the bottom three keys to be FN's to switch the default actions between arrows, page up/down home and end, and ... maybe some media keys?

Methinks anyone who can get their head around this would be using a layer on their main board for arrows instead (https://cdn.geekhack.org/Smileys/solosmileys/laugh.gif)
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: Bachoo on Mon, 12 October 2020, 13:01:40
Yes honk, it's about time!
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: PlatypusDetective on Mon, 12 October 2020, 13:20:22
Any possibility of just selling the pcb?
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: 1017BirckenThot on Mon, 12 October 2020, 13:36:48
The weight is super cute! It's a must cop for me! GLWIC
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: delrn on Mon, 12 October 2020, 16:12:56
very cute, i'm in!

can you give some rough (international) shipping cost estimates before the GB goes live please?
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: dingusxmcgee on Mon, 12 October 2020, 18:00:57
Quote from: delrn on Mon, 12 October 2020, 16:12:56
very cute, i'm in!

can you give some rough (international) shipping cost estimates before the GB goes live please?
Hey! Excellent question. We will make sure to get that info and post it in the IC :)
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: dingusxmcgee on Mon, 12 October 2020, 18:02:03
Quote from: PlatypusDetective on Mon, 12 October 2020, 13:20:22
Any possibility of just selling the pcb?
We are considering this, no guarantees :)
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: pool on Mon, 12 October 2020, 18:07:22
This is the cutest thing ever and I'm sad because my girlfriend loves paws, but I'll have to buy it for myself only
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: delrn on Mon, 12 October 2020, 18:11:59
Quote from: dingusxmcgee on Mon, 12 October 2020, 18:00:57
Quote from: delrn on Mon, 12 October 2020, 16:12:56
very cute, i'm in!

can you give some rough (international) shipping cost estimates before the GB goes live please?
Hey! Excellent question. We will make sure to get that info and post it in the IC :)

Much appreciated, thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: pool on Mon, 12 October 2020, 18:13:33
I'm curious if there are plans to release one that's not of an arrow key variety? I would love one that's like a 2x3 format. Of course, that's on your creative direction to decide :)
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: BirgusLatro on Mon, 12 October 2020, 18:35:28
Quote from: pool on Mon, 12 October 2020, 18:13:33
I'm curious if there are plans to release one that's not of an arrow key variety? I would love one that's like a 2x3 format. Of course, that's on your creative direction to decide :)

I agree 6-10 switches is the ideal macropad size
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: SenseiJia on Mon, 12 October 2020, 18:48:01
Say no more.
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: TheBlackHammer on Mon, 12 October 2020, 19:46:33
The paw would be perfect for me neuron! Can’t wait to get one


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Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: Arithmetics on Mon, 12 October 2020, 23:27:18
Can we get a pic of the port side?
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: harlekein on Tue, 13 October 2020, 06:46:21
Quote from: BirgusLatro on Mon, 12 October 2020, 18:35:28
Quote from: pool on Mon, 12 October 2020, 18:13:33
I'm curious if there are plans to release one that's not of an arrow key variety? I would love one that's like a 2x3 format. Of course, that's on your creative direction to decide :)

I agree 6-10 switches is the ideal macropad size
There's plenty of those already.
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: dingusxmcgee on Tue, 13 October 2020, 06:47:05
Quote from: Arithmetics on Mon, 12 October 2020, 23:27:18
Can we get a pic of the port side?
Hey sorry for not including that! FYI The switch will likely be removed in production run. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201013/ebc54bd005e536b473fe2cb812ae57d5.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: dingusxmcgee on Tue, 13 October 2020, 06:47:49
Quote from: pool on Mon, 12 October 2020, 18:13:33
I'm curious if there are plans to release one that's not of an arrow key variety? I would love one that's like a 2x3 format. Of course, that's on your creative direction to decide :)
No current plans but you never know :)Appreciate your interest!
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: jbrandona119 on Tue, 13 October 2020, 11:26:18
I love this! I've got a question about the limited edition collabs. Will the method of purchase and photos of it all be available before the GB? I am not sure if I missed that somewhere.

Can't wait to snag one of these ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: dingusxmcgee on Tue, 13 October 2020, 11:36:44
Quote from: jbrandona119 on Tue, 13 October 2020, 11:26:18
I love this! I've got a question about the limited edition collabs. Will the method of purchase and photos of it all be available before the GB? I am not sure if I missed that somewhere.

Can't wait to snag one of these ;D

Hey! Glad you're excited!
Method of purchase for the artisan is currently planned to be on the same website. While we may not be able to get photos of all possible artisans, you can check Pseudoku's Instagram for a great look at some of his previous casts. We will absolutely try and get any pictures up that we can :)
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: BigBeile on Tue, 13 October 2020, 17:47:43
Absolut nice look. But the price is to high for me personally.

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Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 13 October 2020, 22:17:13
ignore me im dumb
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: aadk5 on Wed, 14 October 2020, 08:35:44
Quote from: dingusxmcgee on Tue, 13 October 2020, 06:47:05
Quote from: Arithmetics on Mon, 12 October 2020, 23:27:18
Can we get a pic of the port side?
Hey sorry for not including that! FYI The switch will likely be removed in production run.
Show Image
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201013/ebc54bd005e536b473fe2cb812ae57d5.jpg)


Any reason why the switch is being removed? It'd be nice to have a physical on/off switch I feel
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: paperassgasket on Wed, 14 October 2020, 09:14:25
Quote from: dingusxmcgee on Mon, 12 October 2020, 07:00:12
https://i.imgur.com/UCB8dBo.mp4

how do I get one with only left arrows?
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: dingusxmcgee on Wed, 14 October 2020, 09:57:34
Quote from: paperassgasket on Wed, 14 October 2020, 09:14:25
Quote from: dingusxmcgee on Mon, 12 October 2020, 07:00:12
https://i.imgur.com/UCB8dBo.mp4

how do I get one with only left arrows?

Cheapest option is blanks and a sharpie  :))
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: KnoblesseOblige on Wed, 14 October 2020, 11:27:16
Quote from: aadk5 on Wed, 14 October 2020, 08:35:44
Quote from: dingusxmcgee on Tue, 13 October 2020, 06:47:05
Quote from: Arithmetics on Mon, 12 October 2020, 23:27:18
Can we get a pic of the port side?
Hey sorry for not including that! FYI The switch will likely be removed in production run.
Show Image
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201013/ebc54bd005e536b473fe2cb812ae57d5.jpg)


Any reason why the switch is being removed? It'd be nice to have a physical on/off switch I feel

Removing the switch will reduce unnecessary complexity, and will largely go unnoticed anyway. Battery life is already pushing two months idle. If you're not using it for that long already, chances are you're going to want to recharge it anyway to ensure a full battery. On top of that, once deep sleep is fixed/implemented in ZMK the idle battery life will increase considerably.
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: aadk5 on Wed, 14 October 2020, 20:27:18
Quote from: KnoblesseOblige on Wed, 14 October 2020, 11:27:16
Quote from: aadk5 on Wed, 14 October 2020, 08:35:44

Any reason why the switch is being removed? It'd be nice to have a physical on/off switch I feel

Removing the switch will reduce unnecessary complexity, and will largely go unnoticed anyway. Battery life is already pushing two months idle. If you're not using it for that long already, chances are you're going to want to recharge it anyway to ensure a full battery. On top of that, once deep sleep is fixed/implemented in ZMK the idle battery life will increase considerably.

Ah, makes sense. Thank you for the clarification. This seems useful to have on my desk when I'm using a 60% and need my arrows for some specific task
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: Cubic // esc lab on Thu, 15 October 2020, 18:16:36
$ sudo sign_up_for_updates.py
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: dingusxmcgee on Mon, 19 October 2020, 19:54:42
Pseu has been hard at working craftinf some beautiful things for this run. Check out some of the work that's in progress!

[attach=1]
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: zoo on Tue, 20 October 2020, 11:19:47
so UwU
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: GKboki on Thu, 22 October 2020, 17:30:50
Collab details and sales format?
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: dingusxmcgee on Fri, 23 October 2020, 08:31:56
Quote from: GKboki on Thu, 22 October 2020, 17:30:50
Collab details and sales format?

Still working out how we will offer the artisan, but the plan is to do it at the time of purchase with Paw :)
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: dingusxmcgee on Fri, 23 October 2020, 08:35:22
Hey everyone! We have been working on things behind the scenes and decided to push the GB date back a bit. We have re-worked the pcb to include RGB and hostswap!. With that, in order to give people a better look at Paw, we will also be sending a unit with this new pcb to someone to build and display on stream, so stay tuned for that :)

For now, we are looking to start the GB on November 9th and run it until November 23rd, or until 200 units are sold.
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: aadk5 on Fri, 23 October 2020, 09:02:37
Quote from: dingusxmcgee on Fri, 23 October 2020, 08:35:22
Hey everyone! We have been working on things behind the scenes and decided to push the GB date back a bit. We have re-worked the pcb to include RGB and hostswap!. With that, in order to give people a better look at Paw, we will also be sending a unit with this new pcb to someone to build and display on stream, so stay tuned for that :)

For now, we are looking to start the GB on November 9th and run it until November 23rd, or until 200 units are sold.

Not complaining since this weekend was going to be an expensive one because of all the other buys happening. Can't wait for this to go live though; this really opens up a lot of 60% boards for me since I use arrow keys quite often and don't particularly like having to use it with layers
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: dingusxmcgee on Mon, 02 November 2020, 09:41:41
Got some sample shots from Pseudoku this weekend and tried to take some nice photos of them for everyone. Note that these are samples, and as such may have defects that are not representative of the final product. Enjoy the whole album here! https://imgur.com/a/8uphnCl
[attach=1]
[attach=2]
[attach=3]
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: GKboki on Mon, 02 November 2020, 12:43:31
Quote from: dingusxmcgee on Mon, 02 November 2020, 09:41:41
Got some sample shots from Pseudoku this weekend and tried to take some nice photos of them for everyone. Note that these are samples, and as such may have defects that are not representative of the final product. Enjoy the whole album here! https://imgur.com/a/8uphnCl
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This looks soooooo good can't wait!
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: dingusxmcgee on Sun, 08 November 2020, 19:57:18
Small update: GB time has been pushed back a a bit to 10PM eastern(same day, november 9th, just a different time) to coincide with an on stream appearance with Minterly! Be sure to tune in to check it out!
GB thread has been submitted and it waiting on geekhack mod approval. See you tommorrow!
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: Stefkeys on Mon, 09 November 2020, 08:03:03
Quote from: dingusxmcgee on Sun, 08 November 2020, 19:57:18
Small update: GB time has been pushed back a a bit to 10PM eastern(same day, november 9th, just a different time) to coincide with an on stream appearance with Minterly! Be sure to tune in to check it out!
GB thread has been submitted and it waiting on geekhack mod approval. See you tommorrow!

And my chances of getting one just dropped to 5%  :))
Title: Re: [IC] Paw - Arrow Cluster Macropad
Post by: dingusxmcgee on Mon, 09 November 2020, 08:30:13
GB thread is live here! https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109489.0
Thanks all for your interest! See you at 10pm EST!