Scoops vs. Bars vs. Nipples Discussion Thread

[hwood34]

Discuss

[LechnerDE]

Scoops for life 

[meiosis]

I like girls so nipples
Ftw

[epzy]

scoops 5 lyfe, eod

[nubbinator]

Scoops.  The only bars I like are the ones that serve alcohol and nipples belong on people, not key caps.

[azhdar]

scoops or die.

[slickmamba]

Scoops>bars>nipples

[VesperSAINT]

No need ~ I already figured out the solution: Bars AND scoops. TOGETHER.

Heck, you could add nipples to it too.

[meow a cat]

I like the Cherry style scoops, but SP's scooped DSA isn't very good. The scoop isn't pronounced enough for me.

I do like bars as well (more or less equal to scoops for me, but I'd take bars over SP scoops for sure), and I've really been enjoying the Gateron caps with both scoop and bar. Best of both worlds! 

[Findecanor]

Hitting a nipple hard is jarring. You shouldn't have to feel the indicator unless you are looking for it.
Therefore: bars.

But bars shouldn't be bars. They should be two dots.... If you are unable to feel that the dots are two distinct dots then that is an indication that you could have nerve damage caused by carpal tunnel syndrome.

[njbair]

Can we add "vehemently don't care" as an option?

[joey]

Can we add "vehemently don't care" as an option?

There's no poll, so feel free to have any opinion 

[Vibex]

Personally I would rather have nothing. But scoops are my favourite of the 3.

[jbondeson]

Scoops.

Really love the deep dish scoop on SA.

Bars and nipples impact the fingers too much on long typing sessions.

[Sifo]

bars.

maybe I'd have a gmk set if they had bars

[ghostjuggernaut]

+1 for scoops

[mattbox]

I really like bars, but i guess nipples are okay

[Photekq]

Scoop only zone

[Sent]

Scoops edge out bars just barely for me.  And **** nipples.

[VesperSAINT]

And **** nipples.

You're in that, eh?

[Sent]

You're in that, eh?

[Giorgio]

All group buys should include bars and scoops. The cost is absolutely insignificant, it should be less than 0,8$ per key.

We already support obscure layouts that are never put in discussion, because we need to reach the moq, because it will be easier to resell, and because there be someone who really likes that layout.
All those particular layouts have never been in the original set (beige, skidata etc), so you can't just say that you don't want bars because of historical fidelity. The original Skidata is iso only... So are we erasing the ansi option?

Many of you gmkers are simply trying to educate us. This is not about money, or history, or whatever, it is simply a political fight. You are looking for support and finding allies. But in the end you are going to accept the change. Because every weekend you will look for bars, not for scoops and dishes.

[hwood34]

We already support obscure layouts that are never put in discussion, because we need to reach the moq, because it will be easier to resell, and because there be someone who really likes that layout.
All those particular layouts have never been in the original set (beige, skidata etc), so you can't just say that you don't want bars because of historical fidelity. The original Skidata is iso only... So are we erasing the ansi option?

Who is saying that they would prefer scoops simply for historical reasons? Most people just prefer scoops for the feel. And what obscure layouts do buys support? ANSI and the most universal ISO set possible?

[Bomble]

I've only tried scoops & bars, I never really found that it made too much of a difference.

I feel like nipples would feel weird when you're typing since they're central on the keycap but Ż\_(ツ)_/Ż

[Halverson]

SCOOOOOOPS
Bars are ok
Nipples, no thanks

Will any effect my choice on a keyset I like? No

[Joey Quinn]

Scoops all the way! Especially if they're scooped on both the x and y axis. But honestly I'll buy a set regardless of homing choice.

[JaccoW]

Now that I've used scoops for a longer period of time I prefer those. Before that it was probably bars but now I find them slightly jarring.
I do like bars for mindless plucking at my keyboard though.

[sethk_]

If we are including bars, then shouldn't we also include nipples to not discrimate?

Scoops>Gateron Scoop/Bar>bars>nipples>apples nipple keys on d and k

[Karura]

Scoops are way better, end of thread.

[Dreamre]

Scoops for life! )

[eksuen]

Bars with respect to both look and feel.

[user 18]

My favourite is the gateron scoop+bar. But overall, it doesn't really matter to me so long as it isn't nipples. I would rather have no homing keys than have nipples.

[eddie]

bars for me

[ATXTider]

It took a bit for me to adjust to scoops, I had trouble finding the home keys as I'd always used something raised before, but now, it's fine.  They all do their job equally well enough for me, so I don't consider homing at all when evaluating keycaps for purchase.

[BlueNalgene]

I have scoops on my FJ and nips on my 47.  It really is the perfect setup.  Scoops work well with SA caps, and they don't get too distracting like some of the bumpier options.  But having those sharp, unpleasant nips on my numrow makes touch typing a number on a TKL as easy as slapping out some tenkey love.

[Polymer]

I prefer bars...although I can tolerate scoops...I just don't like that they slightly grip my finger and off center strikes don't feel quite the same..

Also, if you had to rank the importance of these three aspects of your keycaps:

Feel
Look
Layout support

How would you rank them?  For me it is feel.
If the keycap set felt great, whether that is because of what is it is made out of or the shape of the keys, that to me is the most important. 

I look at it like this...would I rather have:
Set that feel great to use, looks bad and has only standard layout support
Set that looks great, feels bad and has only standard layout support
Set that supports many layouts but feels bad and looks bad. 

That isn't to say we all want all three...Just saying if you had to rank those aspects.

[Melvang]

Personally, I couldn't care less so long as it is something.  My AT doesn't have anything for homing keys.  It is kind of awkward typing in the dark or dimly lit room.

[Nai_Calus]

You kids and your peasant MX homing indicators.

My Model F doesn't have homing keys. I don't need them.

If we are talking homing indicators, bars are the only acceptable solution for the home row. Scoops feel weird and tiny nipples belong on the number pad 5 and my cats.

But nothing works fine and looks smooth and integrated.

[Melvang]

You kids and your peasant MX homing indicators.

My Model F doesn't have homing keys. I don't need them.

If we are talking homing indicators, bars are the only acceptable solution for the home row. Scoops feel weird and tiny nipples belong on the number pad 5 and my cats.

But nothing works fine and looks smooth and integrated.

Posts like this are why sometimes I wish we had a Like or +1 button.  Well said.

[KnivesM]

Bars & nipples, not a fan of scoops.

[Giorgio]

Because, in the keyboard world, nearly nobody likes nipples. They are without doubt annoying. I don't think that because we add an option, we should add all the possible options

If we are including bars, then shouldn't we also include nipples to not discrimate?

Scoops>Gateron Scoop/Bar>bars>nipples>apples nipple keys on d and k

[nubbinator]

Because, in the keyboard world, nearly nobody likes nipples. They are without doubt annoying. I don't think that because we add an option, we should add all the possible options

If we are including bars, then shouldn't we also include nipples to not discrimate?

Scoops>Gateron Scoop/Bar>bars>nipples>apples nipple keys on d and k

Why not?  Isn't your argument for bars that since a minority like bars and cannot get adjusted to scoops that bars should be added as an alternative option in sets as well?  Following that, we should include nibs as an option as well since some people like them.


In the end, it's up to whoever is running to buy to decide.  Personally, I dislike bars and prefer scoops, but bars instead of scoops will not keep me from the set.  The main thing that will keep me from a set is R5 modifiers on the bottom row.  That is intolerable.

[sethk_]

Because, in the keyboard world, nearly nobody likes nipples. They are without doubt annoying. I don't think that because we add an option, we should add all the possible options

If we are including bars, then shouldn't we also include nipples to not discrimate?

Scoops>Gateron Scoop/Bar>bars>nipples>apples nipple keys on d and k

Why not?  Isn't your argument for bars that since a minority like bars and cannot get adjusted to scoops that bars should be added as an alternative option in sets as well?  Following that, we should include nibs as an option as well since some people like them.


In the end, it's up to whoever is running to buy to decide.  Personally, I dislike bars and prefer scoops, but bars instead of scoops will not keep me from the set.  The main thing that will keep me from a set is R5 modifiers on the bottom row.  That is intolerable.

Forced r5 will mostly put me away unless it is a set that looks really good and if I have a modpack that goes with it and let's me fix

[Giorgio]

About the historical reasons, there were some posts, maybe in the skidata section.

About the layouts, I was referring to the many deviations from the standard layout, with the 1,25 keycaps in the bottom row. In the group buys there are also many different shift keys of all sizes.

We already support obscure layouts that are never put in discussion, because we need to reach the moq, because it will be easier to resell, and because there be someone who really likes that layout.
All those particular layouts have never been in the original set (beige, skidata etc), so you can't just say that you don't want bars because of historical fidelity. The original Skidata is iso only... So are we erasing the ansi option?

Who is saying that they would prefer scoops simply for historical reasons? Most people just prefer scoops for the feel. And what obscure layouts do buys support? ANSI and the most universal ISO set possible?

[Giorgio]

Lovers of nipples are a mini minority.

99% of keyboards are sold with bars, so it is quite improbable that a nipple lover says that he doesn't want a set because it doesn't have nipples; he surely is already used to other options.

Because, in the keyboard world, nearly nobody likes nipples. They are without doubt annoying. I don't think that because we add an option, we should add all the possible options

If we are including bars, then shouldn't we also include nipples to not discrimate?

Scoops>Gateron Scoop/Bar>bars>nipples>apples nipple keys on d and k

Why not?  Isn't your argument for bars that since a minority like bars and cannot get adjusted to scoops that bars should be added as an alternative option in sets as well?  Following that, we should include nibs as an option as well since some people like them.


In the end, it's up to whoever is running to buy to decide.  Personally, I dislike bars and prefer scoops, but bars instead of scoops will not keep me from the set.  The main thing that will keep me from a set is R5 modifiers on the bottom row.  That is intolerable.

[sethk_]

Lovers of nipples are a mini minority.

99% of keyboards are sold with bars, so it is quite improbable that a nipple lover says that he doesn't want a set because it doesn't have nipples; he surely is already used to other options.

Because, in the keyboard world, nearly nobody likes nipples. They are without doubt annoying. I don't think that because we add an option, we should add all the possible options

If we are including bars, then shouldn't we also include nipples to not discrimate?

Scoops>Gateron Scoop/Bar>bars>nipples>apples nipple keys on d and k

Why not?  Isn't your argument for bars that since a minority like bars and cannot get adjusted to scoops that bars should be added as an alternative option in sets as well?  Following that, we should include nibs as an option as well since some people like them.


In the end, it's up to whoever is running to buy to decide.  Personally, I dislike bars and prefer scoops, but bars instead of scoops will not keep me from the set.  The main thing that will keep me from a set is R5 modifiers on the bottom row.  That is intolerable.

Unless they have always used a board with nipples

[azhdar]

The thing is when you allow multiple layout:
-standard ANSI 1.25
- WKL ANSI
- 1800
- HHKB like
- 75%

you actually add customers because people can actually use the keycaps for their keyboard, and if they end up parting with it or putting it on another board with different layout.

I'm azerty only typist, do I ask for Azerty kits ? No because I know it's not doable. Inb4 only 2 keys.

ps: if you could quote like a regular person that would be more readable.

[Zeal]

Scoops + nipples obviously best option /thread

[hwood34]

Scoops + nipples obviously best option /thread

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terrible

[baldgye]

Scoop only zone