Scoops vs. Bars vs. Nipples Discussion Thread [reloaded]

[KatzenKinder]

Self fulfilling prophecies, where masochistic people ****post a thread only to make you notice that it is full of **** posts.

pot meet kettle

Everyone is now black

[nubbinator]

Self fulfilling prophecies, where masochistic people ****post a thread only to make you notice that it is full of **** posts.

pot meet kettle

Everyone is now black

[HoffmanMyster]

This is insane. No one should care this much about bars, nips or scoops. And everyone is allowed their own preference.

That beings said, here is what I think: 

- The keyboard I'm using has scoops, I find that pretty pleasant.
- My stand alone numpad has a bar. I didn't even know that until I looked.
- I have nipples. Those are my favorite. 

At least the old thread had nipple jokes.

Awesome! We have nipple jokes again.

I have nipples and I'm a joke.

[KatzenKinder]

This is insane. No one should care this much about bars, nips or scoops. And everyone is allowed their own preference.

That beings said, here is what I think: 

- The keyboard I'm using has scoops, I find that pretty pleasant.
- My stand alone numpad has a bar. I didn't even know that until I looked.
- I have nipples. Those are my favorite. 

At least the old thread had nipple jokes.

Awesome! We have nipple jokes again.

I have nipples and I'm a joke.

confirmed?

[njbair]

This is insane. No one should care this much about bars, nips or scoops. And everyone is allowed their own preference.

That beings said, here is what I think: 

- The keyboard I'm using has scoops, I find that pretty pleasant.
- My stand alone numpad has a bar. I didn't even know that until I looked.
- I have nipples. Those are my favorite. 

At least the old thread had nipple jokes.

Awesome! We have nipple jokes again.

I have nipples and I'm a joke.

Show Image

confirmed?

How was that Google image search for "nipple"?

[KatzenKinder]

This is insane. No one should care this much about bars, nips or scoops. And everyone is allowed their own preference.

That beings said, here is what I think: 

- The keyboard I'm using has scoops, I find that pretty pleasant.
- My stand alone numpad has a bar. I didn't even know that until I looked.
- I have nipples. Those are my favorite. 

At least the old thread had nipple jokes.

Awesome! We have nipple jokes again.

I have nipples and I'm a joke.

Show Image

confirmed?

How was that Google image search for "nipple"?

Not as fun as I'd hoped tbh fam

[nubbinator]

More

This is insane. No one should care this much about bars, nips or scoops. And everyone is allowed their own preference.

That beings said, here is what I think: 

- The keyboard I'm using has scoops, I find that pretty pleasant.
- My stand alone numpad has a bar. I didn't even know that until I looked.
- I have nipples. Those are my favorite. 

At least the old thread had nipple jokes.

Awesome! We have nipple jokes again.

I have nipples and I'm a joke.

Show Image

confirmed?

How was that Google image search for "nipple"?

Not as fun as I'd hoped tbh fam

Hope this helps

[rowdy]

Serious response:

This AND the last thread is no longer about productive discussion regarding our subjective opinions, and deteriorated to retarded trolling and ****posts.

BUT hey, sometimes people gotta voice their genius opinions like this one:

We needs threads like this, otherwise they tend to spill out into lots of other threads.

[SamirD]

So this is a serious question (although it can be taken as non-serious for more banter):

What are the differences between scoops, bars, and nipples?  I think I know what bars are as the IBM M seems to have them, but are there different placements for bars other than just the very bottom of the keycap?

[rowdy]

So this is a serious question (although it can be taken as non-serious for more banter):

What are the differences between scoops, bars, and nipples?  I think I know what bars are as the IBM M seems to have them, but are there different placements for bars other than just the very bottom of the keycap?

I've never seen bars anywhere than the edge of the keycap upper surface.

Nipples are generally always centrally placed.

[Polymer]

So this is a serious question (although it can be taken as non-serious for more banter):

What are the differences between scoops, bars, and nipples?  I think I know what bars are as the IBM M seems to have them, but are there different placements for bars other than just the very bottom of the keycap?

Bars are what you're seeing on you Model M..and most keyboards out there have bars as just a de facto standard.
Some keycaps have nipples which are just dots, generally in the middle or middle/bottom of the key.
Scoops, in this context, are the GMK scooped keys (F and J).  They're shaped differently so they sort of hug your fingers because you're fitting them down slightly from a normal key (or it feels like that anyways).  Take the normal curvature of the top part of the keycap (the part your fingers touch) and make it slightly more concave...

The discussion has started because GMK group buys don't have bars as an option and they're quickly dismissed because some people don't believe anyone could prefer bars over scoops...but I think this thread has shown there is an interest in having it as an option and it makes perfect sense to do so....

[SamirD]

I've never seen bars anywhere than the edge of the keycap upper surface.

Nipples are generally always centrally placed.

So this is a serious question (although it can be taken as non-serious for more banter):

What are the differences between scoops, bars, and nipples?  I think I know what bars are as the IBM M seems to have them, but are there different placements for bars other than just the very bottom of the keycap?

Bars are what you're seeing on you Model M..and most keyboards out there have bars as just a de facto standard.
Some keycaps have nipples which are just dots, generally in the middle or middle/bottom of the key.
Scoops, in this context, are the GMK scooped keys (F and J).  They're shaped differently so they sort of hug your fingers because you're fitting them down slightly from a normal key (or it feels like that anyways).  Take the normal curvature of the top part of the keycap (the part your fingers touch) and make it slightly more concave...

The discussion has started because GMK group buys don't have bars as an option and they're quickly dismissed because some people don't believe anyone could prefer bars over scoops...but I think this thread has shown there is an interest in having it as an option and it makes perfect sense to do so....

Thank you both for the great responses.  In a community where customization is king, I could hardly see dismissing a detail as 'not needed' without some sort of backlash.

I wonder if someone has thought about making a pair of 'boobcaps' with nipples for the f and j, lol.  So wrong and yet maybe so right?

[noisyturtle]

This is insane. No one should care this much about bars, nips or scoops. And everyone is allowed their own preference.

That beings said, here is what I think: 

- The keyboard I'm using has scoops, I find that pretty pleasant.
- My stand alone numpad has a bar. I didn't even know that until I looked.
- I have nipples. Those are my favorite. 

At least the old thread had nipple jokes.

Awesome! We have nipple jokes again.

I have nipples and I'm a joke.

Damn sharp-nippled bastard!

[KnivesM]

I've never seen bars anywhere than the edge of the keycap upper surface.

Nipples are generally always centrally placed.

So this is a serious question (although it can be taken as non-serious for more banter):

What are the differences between scoops, bars, and nipples?  I think I know what bars are as the IBM M seems to have them, but are there different placements for bars other than just the very bottom of the keycap?

Bars are what you're seeing on you Model M..and most keyboards out there have bars as just a de facto standard.
Some keycaps have nipples which are just dots, generally in the middle or middle/bottom of the key.
Scoops, in this context, are the GMK scooped keys (F and J).  They're shaped differently so they sort of hug your fingers because you're fitting them down slightly from a normal key (or it feels like that anyways).  Take the normal curvature of the top part of the keycap (the part your fingers touch) and make it slightly more concave...

The discussion has started because GMK group buys don't have bars as an option and they're quickly dismissed because some people don't believe anyone could prefer bars over scoops...but I think this thread has shown there is an interest in having it as an option and it makes perfect sense to do so....

Thank you both for the great responses.  In a community where customization is king, I could hardly see dismissing a detail as 'not needed' without some sort of backlash.

I wonder if someone has thought about making a pair of 'boobcaps' with nipples for the f and j, lol.  So wrong and yet maybe so right?

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=66214.0
Don't think they ever got made besides the protos

[SamirD]

I've never seen bars anywhere than the edge of the keycap upper surface.

Nipples are generally always centrally placed.

So this is a serious question (although it can be taken as non-serious for more banter):

What are the differences between scoops, bars, and nipples?  I think I know what bars are as the IBM M seems to have them, but are there different placements for bars other than just the very bottom of the keycap?

Bars are what you're seeing on you Model M..and most keyboards out there have bars as just a de facto standard.
Some keycaps have nipples which are just dots, generally in the middle or middle/bottom of the key.
Scoops, in this context, are the GMK scooped keys (F and J).  They're shaped differently so they sort of hug your fingers because you're fitting them down slightly from a normal key (or it feels like that anyways).  Take the normal curvature of the top part of the keycap (the part your fingers touch) and make it slightly more concave...

The discussion has started because GMK group buys don't have bars as an option and they're quickly dismissed because some people don't believe anyone could prefer bars over scoops...but I think this thread has shown there is an interest in having it as an option and it makes perfect sense to do so....

Thank you both for the great responses.  In a community where customization is king, I could hardly see dismissing a detail as 'not needed' without some sort of backlash.

I wonder if someone has thought about making a pair of 'boobcaps' with nipples for the f and j, lol.  So wrong and yet maybe so right?

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=66214.0
Don't think they ever got made besides the protos

Wow, just wow.  I can't think of anything innovative anymore.   Darn you Internet!

[Oobly]

I've never seen bars anywhere than the edge of the keycap upper surface.

Nipples are generally always centrally placed.

So this is a serious question (although it can be taken as non-serious for more banter):

What are the differences between scoops, bars, and nipples?  I think I know what bars are as the IBM M seems to have them, but are there different placements for bars other than just the very bottom of the keycap?

Bars are what you're seeing on you Model M..and most keyboards out there have bars as just a de facto standard.
Some keycaps have nipples which are just dots, generally in the middle or middle/bottom of the key.
Scoops, in this context, are the GMK scooped keys (F and J).  They're shaped differently so they sort of hug your fingers because you're fitting them down slightly from a normal key (or it feels like that anyways).  Take the normal curvature of the top part of the keycap (the part your fingers touch) and make it slightly more concave...

The discussion has started because GMK group buys don't have bars as an option and they're quickly dismissed because some people don't believe anyone could prefer bars over scoops...but I think this thread has shown there is an interest in having it as an option and it makes perfect sense to do so....

Thank you both for the great responses.  In a community where customization is king, I could hardly see dismissing a detail as 'not needed' without some sort of backlash.

I wonder if someone has thought about making a pair of 'boobcaps' with nipples for the f and j, lol.  So wrong and yet maybe so right?

I agree (not about the boobcaps, but about dismissing an option as 'not needed'). It's really the "scoops master race" refusing to even acknowledge that some people may actually prefer bars and that the less than $2 cost of including them is not acceptable that's making this such an issue, IMHO. When there are other options that DO get included that cost more and have even less people who use them.

As a keyset designer I'd just include the bars. Minimal cost increase for a decent target market increase and better resale value. Why not?

[SamirD]

I've never seen bars anywhere than the edge of the keycap upper surface.

Nipples are generally always centrally placed.

So this is a serious question (although it can be taken as non-serious for more banter):

What are the differences between scoops, bars, and nipples?  I think I know what bars are as the IBM M seems to have them, but are there different placements for bars other than just the very bottom of the keycap?

Bars are what you're seeing on you Model M..and most keyboards out there have bars as just a de facto standard.
Some keycaps have nipples which are just dots, generally in the middle or middle/bottom of the key.
Scoops, in this context, are the GMK scooped keys (F and J).  They're shaped differently so they sort of hug your fingers because you're fitting them down slightly from a normal key (or it feels like that anyways).  Take the normal curvature of the top part of the keycap (the part your fingers touch) and make it slightly more concave...

The discussion has started because GMK group buys don't have bars as an option and they're quickly dismissed because some people don't believe anyone could prefer bars over scoops...but I think this thread has shown there is an interest in having it as an option and it makes perfect sense to do so....

Thank you both for the great responses.  In a community where customization is king, I could hardly see dismissing a detail as 'not needed' without some sort of backlash.

I wonder if someone has thought about making a pair of 'boobcaps' with nipples for the f and j, lol.  So wrong and yet maybe so right?

I agree (not about the boobcaps, but about dismissing an option as 'not needed'). It's really the "scoops master race" refusing to even acknowledge that some people may actually prefer bars and that the less than $2 cost of including them is not acceptable that's making this such an issue, IMHO. When there are other options that DO get included that cost more and have even less people who use them.

As a keyset designer I'd just include the bars. Minimal cost increase for a decent target market increase and better resale value. Why not?

It's odd how some features that are critical get overlooked for form.  It's just two keycaps--just make it an option.  Like you said, the cost is minimal.  Hell, include all three and call it an option/feature/marketing tidbit.

[azhdar]

What are you bars fan opinion on gateron homing keys? If you don't know they are scooped + bars.

[absyrd]

HHKB has bars.

[inanis]

HHKB has bars.

HHKB needs scoops. And a flipped spacebar. And MX compatible sliders. And an aluminum case...these are the things I have been told. Except for that whole aluminum case thing, that seems to have not gone as planned.

[absyrd]

HHKB has bars.

HHKB needs scoops. And a flipped spacebar. And MX compatible sliders. And an aluminum case...these are the things I have been told. Except for that whole aluminum case thing, that seems to have not gone as planned.

Why must you hurt me so badly?

[azhdar]

HHKB has bars.

bars confirmed wrong.

[absyrd]

HHKB has bars.

bars confirmed wrong.

You, too?

Someone plz halp.

[inanis]

HHKB has bars.

HHKB needs scoops. And a flipped spacebar. And MX compatible sliders. And an aluminum case...these are the things I have been told. Except for that whole aluminum case thing, that seems to have not gone as planned.

Why must you hurt me so badly?

I'm just repeating what I've heard. I want to be like everyone else! Isn't that what we do here?

I still have no HHKB, but one day...If it makes you feel any better when I do get one I probably won't flip the spacebar, no promises though.

[beehatch]

HHKB has bars.

bars confirmed wrong.

You, too?

Someone plz halp.

bars4lyfe

[Oobly]

What are you bars fan opinion on gateron homing keys? If you don't know they are scooped + bars.

I like them. They're very distinctive and the bars make them easy for me to locate. For some sets I'd prefer plain bars, but I could live with all Cherry sets I buy coming with those double-homing option caps.

TBH, I can actually live without ANY homing options on F and J on my "casual" boards (and I do with Penumbra on my home PC), but for work boards I need bars or something very like them (off the cap centre, but some sort of "bump" that's easy to find and feel with fingertips).

[rowdy]

Model M has bars.

Model F too, probably.

[unoab]

Model F too, probably.

The few model F boards I have had no homing indicators at all.  So that includes both the AT/XT boards with single piece keycaps and the F122 with 2 piece caps, but I wouldn't put it past IBM to have many variations/revisions where one might have had some indicators.

[rowdy]

Model F too, probably.

The few model F boards I have had no homing indicators at all.  So that includes both the AT/XT boards with single piece keycaps and the F122 with 2 piece caps, but I wouldn't put it past IBM to have many variations/revisions where one might have had some indicators.

Oh, fair enough.

I understood that they used similar, if not exactly the same keycaps.  Perhaps not.

[Karura]

This is insane. No one should care this much about bars, nips or scoops. And everyone is allowed their own preference.

That beings said, here is what I think: 

- The keyboard I'm using has scoops, I find that pretty pleasant.
- My stand alone numpad has a bar. I didn't even know that until I looked.
- I have nipples. Those are my favorite. 

At least the old thread had nipple jokes.

Awesome! We have nipple jokes again.

I have nipples and I'm a joke.

Show Image

confirmed?

How was that Google image search for "nipple"?

Joke's on you! That's his nipple he took from a selfie.

[E3E]

I have to admit, I'm enjoying rubbing the nibbles of my AT101's F & J keys right now. Oooh~ Yeah~

[nubbinator]

I have to admit, I'm enjoying rubbing the nibbles of my AT101's F & J keys right now. Oooh~ Yeah~

This is now a nipple gif thread.

[jerue]

I have to admit, I'm enjoying rubbing the nibbles of my AT101's F & J keys right now. Oooh~ Yeah~

Show Image

This is now a nipple gif thread.

but...but...I want more scoops :(

Two scoops actually. Just right.



Three is just too many.

[nubbinator]

I have to admit, I'm enjoying rubbing the nibbles of my AT101's F & J keys right now. Oooh~ Yeah~

Show Image

This is now a nipple gif thread.

but...but...I want more scoops :(

Two scoops actually. Just right.

Show Image

Three is just too many.

Show Image

[SamirD]

haha!  Where's a gif for bars!

[Kola93]

Scoops are the best, no doubt.

They are exclusive and rare. Not everyone is fortunate enough to have typed on them, so I can understand if some people, not having used scoops for a good amount of time, to prefer the bars they are more familiar with.

[Giorgio]

Scoops are the best, no doubt.

They are exclusive and rare. Not everyone is fortunate enough to have typed on them, so I can understand if some people, not having used scoops for a good amount of time, to prefer the bars they are more familiar with.

Do you need to type on a nipple to remember how bad it is? 

[Giorgio]

Erased message sorry.

[E3E]

They are exclusive and rare.

They are exclusive and rare.

They are exclusive and rare.

They are exclusive and rare.

Sometimes, you just want to be a shiba inu twinkie.

[Jhonan]

Come to think of it, I'm not sure if I've ever used a keyboard that doesn't have bars...

[hwood34]

Come to think of it, I'm not sure if I've ever used a keyboard that doesn't have bars...

You should try it sometime, much better

[Karura]

Come to think of it, I'm not sure if I've ever used a keyboard that doesn't have bars...

I feel that's the case with the majority of people, that's why I'm a big advocate of scoops, and wish more people would try it out (for a period of time) so they can make their own informed judgement.

It's quite nice and smooth.

[Jhonan]

Just put a set of dolch on my wifes board... it came with blank, scoop and deeper scoop, have the deeper scoop on there atm, and they're... interesting...

[Herothereu]

Who wouldn't like nips?

[Kola93]

They are exclusive and rare.

They are exclusive and rare.

They are exclusive and rare.

They are exclusive and rare.

Sometimes, you just want to be a shiba inu twinkie.

Doges are the best!

[rowdy]

HHKB has bars.

Have we finished now?

[faycheung]

How about no nips, no scoops, no bars? Like the Model Fs?

Or am I just crazy? 

[Giorgio]

Nipple + bar + Horseshoe



From reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3qsubn/what_keycaps_are_these_interesting_j_and_f_keys/

[SamirD]

Wow, and something just threw a horseshoe in the game, lol!

[dutC4]