Is it only bluetooth or are there options for wired connections?
Whats the point of having a half plate? Aesthetics? It makes more firm only the less used keys (spacebar apart).
Can anyone explain what half plate means please?
Awesome, very interested. Is there a winkeyless option in plan?
Can anyone explain what half plate means please?
I'm sure they'll work it out, but I wonder how the board doesn't tip when you press the top outer keys like page up and escape
From the render, it looks like the switches are going to be mounted with the LEDs on top? R3 GMK keys will have some conflicts on bottoming out on the LEDs if LEDs are installed, correct?
From the render, it looks like the switches are going to be mounted with the LEDs on top? R3 GMK keys will have some conflicts on bottoming out on the LEDs if LEDs are installed, correct?
I didn't notice before, but yes, that would be a problem. Unfortunately I cannot buy a board with switches placed in this orientation because of reasons mentioned above.
can this be had with out Bluetooth? As its just a feature I never use and would add to the overall price.. also what sort of price tag are we looking at. Overall this thing looks amazing thought.
This looks awesome! Would love ISO support to be added!
This looks awesome! Would love ISO support to be added!
ISO would be possible
From the render, it looks like the switches are going to be mounted with the LEDs on top? R3 GMK keys will have some conflicts on bottoming out on the LEDs if LEDs are installed, correct?
I didn't notice before, but yes, that would be a problem. Unfortunately I cannot buy a board with switches placed in this orientation because of reasons mentioned above.
We will be changing them to south facing leds.
Price range? Hot swap switches / holtite supported pcb?
Price range? Hot swap switches / holtite supported pcb?
I guess the only real questions left are price and material. Is the board going to be 100% aluminum, will there be a brass weight, and what about the plate material? The way I read the description makes me want to assume that you guys are planning on pricing this as around the average custom tkl range, but if so I would like some more details about the construction. Its early in the IC, so I know not everything is probably finished design wise either, but would love to see some further details about it in the near future.
TKL + Bluetooth + Zfrontier = looking good if the price is right.
SWEET ! ! !
Beautiful renders. Well done.
Any estimates on battery life? How easy will it be to replace the batteries/repair the keyboard? I'm very interested in a wireless keyboard but don't want to have to unscrew things to replace the battery or engage in pairing.
Is this in collaboration with thesiscamper? Cause this looks exactly like his kira boards.
Looks like this is getting some interest. Here's a link to a board where the FR87 is heavily inspired from as you can tell. It also has multiple prototypes made, not just renders :thumb: :thumb:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=93747.0;topicseen
Looks like this is getting some interest. Here's a link to a board where the FR87 is heavily inspired from as you can tell. It also has multiple prototypes made, not just renders :thumb: :thumb:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=93747.0;topicseen
Is this in collaboration with thesiscamper? Cause this looks exactly like his kira boards.Looks like this is getting some interest. Here's a link to a board where the FR87 is heavily inspired from as you can tell. It also has multiple prototypes made, not just renders :thumb: :thumb:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=93747.0;topicseenShow Image(https://imgur.com/mE4yBqy.jpg)
It is similar, and I care. But I'm not big enough that a significant number of people will care, like how some guys nitpick about similar colors in keysets, or pedantic bull**** like a compact 1800 vs an 1800 moniker. Why don't you post that meme where you actually belong, for points?
I said it's similar, not blatantly similar. And I didn't know about this board until it was linked to me, so saying nobody cares is really annoying.It is similar, and I care. But I'm not big enough that a significant number of people will care, like how some guys nitpick about similar colors in keysets, or pedantic bull**** like a compact 1800 vs an 1800 moniker. Why don't you post that meme where you actually belong, for points?
I was arguing about the Chinese Carbon copy on Reddit yesterday in favour of Tombery and his original design being protected; as you said, it seems to be something they care very little for over there because I mostly got downvoted which is something I never expected at all.
That said, I really don't see the similarities between this board and your designs as being super blatant - maybe I'm not looking at the right angle but it seems fairly distinctive, aside from the angled bottom portion in its side profile I think it looks pretty much completely different. Better safe than sorry, however, and if it does bother you and if it's something you and ZF can figure out then I think that'd be for the best.
Looks like this is getting some interest. Here's a link to a board where the FR87 is heavily inspired from as you can tell. It also has multiple prototypes made, not just renders :thumb: :thumb:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=93747.0;topicseen
I'm not really seeing it. I mean are we talking about the angled bottom that looks somewhat similar between both boards? Hardly looks like heavy inspiration to me.
I said it's similar, not blatantly similar. And I didn't know about this board until it was linked to me, so saying nobody cares is really annoying.
I already talked to ZF days ago, he even said he can see my concern, and I said it's different "enough". I care but I chose to keep silent. Well, until I see people talk ****.
It's funny people choose to see what they see, choosing what they want to support and condemn as long as it's convenient and in line with their interests.
It is similar, and I care. But I'm not big enough that a significant number of people will care, like how some guys nitpick about similar colors in keysets, or pedantic bull**** like a compact 1800 vs an 1800 moniker. Why don't you post that meme where you actually belong, for points?
Feb8 2018
We are looking for a possible GB during the CNY :)
Major updates from ELEMENTO! Here are some more details:
The FR87 kit will come with:
- Top Housing (6 series Aluminum, WKL version with blockers and WK version without blockers)
- Plate (Aluminum, half-plate, ISO support, switch top removal, and Elemento is planning a PVD brass plate and a full plate if possible)
- PCB (ISO support, WKL and WK layout support, USB-C, Bluetooth)
- Bottom Housing (6 series Aluminum)
- Weight (Aluminum, Brass, and American Black Walnut)
- Light Effects ( 2 RGB light strips, per key SMD RGB LEDs)
- Colors (Speed Silver, Dark Black, Deep Gray, Tactical Blue) for the cases and the Alu plate
- 4 DIP setting (Ctrl / Caps swapping, locking WIN key, WIN / Alt swapping for MAC, Disabling light effects)
more renders coming in soon! ;)
Feb8 2018No red color?
We are looking for a possible GB during the CNY :)
Major updates from ELEMENTO! Here are some more details:
The FR87 kit will come with:
- Top Housing (6 series Aluminum, WKL version with blockers and WK version without blockers)
- Plate (Aluminum, half-plate, ISO support, switch top removal, and Elemento is planning a PVD brass plate and a full plate if possible)
- PCB (ISO support, WKL and WK layout support, USB-C, Bluetooth)
- Bottom Housing (6 series Aluminum)
- Weight (Aluminum, Brass, and American Black Walnut)
- Light Effects ( 2 RGB light strips, per key SMD RGB LEDs)
- Colors (Speed Silver, Dark Black, Deep Gray, Tactical Blue) for the cases and the Alu plate
- 4 DIP setting (Ctrl / Caps swapping, locking WIN key, WIN / Alt swapping for MAC, Disabling light effects)
more renders coming in soon! ;)
Feb8 2018
We are looking for a possible GB during the CNY :)
Major updates from ELEMENTO! Here are some more details:
The FR87 kit will come with:
- Top Housing (6 series Aluminum, WKL version with blockers and WK version without blockers)
- Plate (Aluminum, half-plate, ISO support, switch top removal, and Elemento is planning a PVD brass plate and a full plate if possible)
- PCB (ISO support, WKL and WK layout support, USB-C, Bluetooth)
- Bottom Housing (6 series Aluminum)
- Weight (Aluminum, Brass, and American Black Walnut)
- Light Effects ( 2 RGB light strips, per key SMD RGB LEDs)
- Colors (Speed Silver, Dark Black, Deep Gray, Tactical Blue) for the cases and the Alu plate
- 4 DIP setting (Ctrl / Caps swapping, locking WIN key, WIN / Alt swapping for MAC, Disabling light effects)
more renders coming in soon! ;)
Feb8 2018No red color?
We are looking for a possible GB during the CNY :)
Major updates from ELEMENTO! Here are some more details:
The FR87 kit will come with:
- Top Housing (6 series Aluminum, WKL version with blockers and WK version without blockers)
- Plate (Aluminum, half-plate, ISO support, switch top removal, and Elemento is planning a PVD brass plate and a full plate if possible)
- PCB (ISO support, WKL and WK layout support, USB-C, Bluetooth)
- Bottom Housing (6 series Aluminum)
- Weight (Aluminum, Brass, and American Black Walnut)
- Light Effects ( 2 RGB light strips, per key SMD RGB LEDs)
- Colors (Speed Silver, Dark Black, Deep Gray, Tactical Blue) for the cases and the Alu plate
- 4 DIP setting (Ctrl / Caps swapping, locking WIN key, WIN / Alt swapping for MAC, Disabling light effects)
more renders coming in soon! ;)
Price
switch top removal = hot swap for switches?
price range isn't bad considering all the perks in this, bluetooth, half plate (if that's a bonus) etc
also, i can't decide if WKL or WK is the way to go...any pros/cons to help me decide?
switch top removal = hot swap for switches?
price range isn't bad considering all the perks in this, bluetooth, half plate (if that's a bonus) etc
also, i can't decide if WKL or WK is the way to go...any pros/cons to help me decide?
switch top removal is not hot swap. It means that you can remove the top housings of the switches right of the plate without the need of desoldering them.
It makes it easier to modify your switches
switch top removal = hot swap for switches?
price range isn't bad considering all the perks in this, bluetooth, half plate (if that's a bonus) etc
also, i can't decide if WKL or WK is the way to go...any pros/cons to help me decide?
switch top removal is not hot swap. It means that you can remove the top housings of the switches right of the plate without the need of desoldering them.
It makes it easier to modify your switches
gotcha, like lubing and etc
> Wireless mode will be powered by AA(AAA) batteries
Not that this is a bad thing, but this will mean that we'll have to replace the batteries instead of simply plugging the keyboard to a usb cable to recharge it?
Price range?
Confirmed that FR87 is getting a full plate! :thumb:That's nice
Confirmed that FR87 is getting a full plate! :thumb:That's nice
Will there be a prototype or at least anod samples before the group buy starts?
Confirmed that FR87 is getting a full plate! :thumb:
Feb8 2018
We are looking for a possible GB during the CNY :)
Major updates from ELEMENTO! Here are some more details:
The FR87 kit will come with:
- 4 DIP setting (Ctrl / Caps swapping, locking WIN key, WIN / Alt swapping for MAC, Disabling light effects)
more renders coming in soon! ;)
Nice features! Looking forward to more photos in the future
Feb8 2018
We are looking for a possible GB during the CNY :)
Major updates from ELEMENTO! Here are some more details:
The FR87 kit will come with:
- 4 DIP setting (Ctrl / Caps swapping, locking WIN key, WIN / Alt swapping for MAC, Disabling light effects)
more renders coming in soon! ;)
Nice features! Looking forward to more photos in the future
Does that mean it is not programmable?
I am worried that with all metal case the BT will suffer with connection issues, specially with full plate. Have you guys done any testing?
I’d be very interested to hear about the results of the test!I am worried that with all metal case the BT will suffer with connection issues, specially with full plate. Have you guys done any testing?
Elemento ran a test based on a similar structure. :)
+ 1
Looks great! Totally on board.
Here's a nice wallpaper for you ;)Looks great, very excited for the price reveal and the full plate options :thumb:
Updated with some GB info in OP, feel free to shoot us any question you have.
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Here's a nice wallpaper for you ;)Looks great, very excited for the price reveal and the full plate options :thumb:
Updated with some GB info in OP, feel free to shoot us any question you have.
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I don't know if this can be answered yet, but what level of anodizing can we expect?
Also, is the plate top mount or sandwiched? Looking at the renders it seems to be the latter
Since the SMD LEDs can't be moved, will you just be picking one bottom row layout?
will this keyboard support split backspace and will you have full plate option?
I love the design! I'm very interested in buying this if my wallet allows.
Does the PCB support PCB-mounted stabilizers (specifically the Zeal stabs), or just plate-mounted?
GB will start in 2 hours, GB post already submitted and is waiting approval :thumb:
this thread will be closed once the GB go live and for future discussion please move to the GB thread
Thank you for your support!