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Could the git modifiers be a separate kit instead of being it's own base kit? Otherwise, if I want to get the monochrome base, git mods, and the hagamoro alphas, I'd have an extra set of alphas just taking up storage space (and money).
Could the git modifiers be a separate kit instead of being it's own base kit? Otherwise, if I want to get the monochrome base, git mods, and the hagamoro alphas, I'd have an extra set of alphas just taking up storage space (and money).
Most GMK sets are run with the base being a large unit of keys to fully fill most standard boards.
I am 100% positive (if you do have the funds) you would be able to just buy the look your after, then sell JUST the grey alphas on the market and they would sell within hours. Im sure there is someone out there looking to do something simular to you but would be needing just the grey alphas.
I'm trying to get:
1 x Hagoromo Alphas
1 x Oblivion Alphas
1 x Monochrome Mods
1 x Git Mods
1 x Assembly Mods
2 x spacekeys, 1 x alternate functions. That's a lot of grey alphas I'm going to have to sell.
I'd also really like to have base mods with normal legends...
I'd also really like to have base mods with normal legends...
soooo the monochrome kit?
oooooooooo yeaI'd also really like to have base mods with normal legends...
soooo the monochrome kit?
No, the base mods in different colors, but with regular legends rather than git commands.
I saw someone else suggest separating 40's from assembly. +1 to this.
end of Q2 2019
And with regards to separating out mods I would rather get extra base kit at $120-$140 vs. paying $80-$100 just for mods. Endgame set for me so extra alphas for when stuff gets shiny not bad to have.
Could the git modifiers be a separate kit instead of being it's own base kit? Otherwise, if I want to get the monochrome base, git mods, and the hagamoro alphas, I'd have an extra set of alphas just taking up storage space (and money).
I would be interested in seeing the git mods in their own kit. I already have the base kit from the first run and would love to have the git mods to add onto that, but I don't necessarily want a second set of alphas.
For sure interested! Will there be a "Git Gud" cap like the SA version?
Absolutely. Been waiting on this since the Reddit tease months ago. :thumb:
Edit: Can you please make monochrome an add on kit rather than a full separate kit? I'd like to possible buy monochrome mods, but don't want to have to buy two full key sets, lol...
will there be an option for monochrome mods by themselves?
+1 for separating the monochrome mods as an add-on kit.
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How about a function row with git modifiers available as a novelty kit? I personally wanted those. Anyhow I'm def picking these up.
You know I'm in.
I think we've talked about this before, but I want to bring it up again. Should Hagoromo Cadet include spacebars at least? It's kind of a lot to have to buy Base + Hagoromo Alphas + Hagoromo Cadet to be able to use Hagoromo Cadet. Having just the alphas included in Oblivion Cadet makes sense since the Base kit includes Oblivion spacebars and numpad, but Hagoromo Cadet is a little different because of the base kit.
I saw someone else suggest separating 40's from assembly. +1 to this.
Weeb alphas? plez!
hmm weird there must be a mistake i dont see any hiragana alpha options here sir
gib Hiraganas :p
I'm trying to get:
1 x Hagoromo Alphas
1 x Oblivion Alphas
1 x Monochrome Mods
1 x Git Mods
1 x Assembly Mods
2 x spacekeys, 1 x alternate functions. That's a lot of grey alphas I'm going to have to sell.
Yeah, the kits really need to be redistributed. As they are rn, I'd be passing on some kits I'd probably normally get. I think having separate alpha and mod kits would be best like how the SA run was done.
I'd also really like to have base mods with normal legends...
Any options for mods only, for those who already participated in SC. While at it, how about crimson cadet alphas as well??
The problem with making Monochrome Modifiers a separate kit would be the inability (well, possible but way too pricey) to combine them with the Hagoromo Alphas, as you would still need to buy a base kit just for the remaining TKL nav keys, function row and such)
The problem with making Monochrome Modifiers a separate kit would be the inability (well, possible but way too pricey) to combine them with the Hagoromo Alphas, as you would still need to buy a base kit just for the remaining TKL nav keys, function row and such)
Yes, but as the kits are right now, one would have to buy 2 full base kits in order to get monochrome mods and then attempt to sell a set of modless alphas. There's not even currently a set of standalone mods that makes this a viable option. I personally think a $140 mod kit is unreasonable.
Would offering a monochrome mod set in addition to the monochrome base set be a good compromise? Maybe a legacy oblivion mod kit as well for those of us who want it? (although a monochrome mod set would be a higher priority for me personally)
Yes, but as the kits are right now, one would have to buy 2 full base kits in order to get monochrome mods
If I'm following you correctly, Oblotzky, you want to offer a full monochrome base (as apposed to a monochrome mod kit) for the crowd that wants to be able to combine Hagomoro alphas + 1 base kit. What if you offered Hagomoro alphas + Monochrome mods as the second base kit?
Yes, but as the kits are right now, one would have to buy 2 full base kits in order to get monochrome mods
I don't quite see how that is the case. If you want only Monochrome mods, buy 1 Monochrome base kit. What am I missing?
What if you offered Hagomoro alphas + Monochrome mods as the second base kit?Wasn't paying attention to this at first, then I stopped for 5 seconds, then I think about it, and lol that was pretty smart. Makes perfect sense.
What if you offered Hagomoro alphas + Monochrome mods as the second base kit?Wasn't paying attention to this at first, then I stopped for 5 seconds, then I think about it, and lol that was pretty smart. Makes perfect sense.
My previous suggestion entails folding the desire for Monochrome compatibility + Hagomoro compatibility together into one group, which admittedly doesn't make sense if there's significant desire for a Monochrome mod + Dark alpha base kit (a desire roughly equivalent to the desire for a Colored/Git mod + Dark alpha base kit). You'd be the best person to judge that.Yes, but as the kits are right now, one would have to buy 2 full base kits in order to get monochrome mods
I don't quite see how that is the case. If you want only Monochrome mods, buy 1 Monochrome base kit. What am I missing?If I'm following you correctly, Oblotzky, you want to offer a full monochrome base (as apposed to a monochrome mod kit) for the crowd that wants to be able to combine Hagomoro alphas + 1 base kit. What if you offered Hagomoro alphas + Monochrome mods as the second base kit?
If Monochrome Mods were without alphas, and Hagoromo Alphas remained as it is, then you'd have to buy the Git Base Kit to be able to have Monochrome Mods with Oblivion Alphas. Unless I were to go the route of having everything separated into kits like the SA buy, there will always be a group of people at a disadvantage.
What if you offered Hagomoro alphas + Monochrome mods as the second base kit?Wasn't paying attention to this at first, then I stopped for 5 seconds, then I think about it, and lol that was pretty smart. Makes perfect sense.
Then getting Git mods with Hagoromo Alphas or Monochrome Modifiers with Gray Alphas would mean buying both base kits for a whopping 260$ or so. There are simply no winners :'(
What about running the Git mods as a separate kit for those with R1?
I might consider the Monochrome Base Kit, I am just wondering how much Massdrop shipping to EU usually costs?
Ah thank you, that is way less than I expected :)I might consider the Monochrome Base Kit, I am just wondering how much Massdrop shipping to EU usually costs?
Shipping cost was 16.99$ for GMK Space Cadet, regardless of how many kits you bought.
Very interested! Love having coloured git mods in the standard base kit -- it'll be a hard choice between that and assembly.
I'd also really like to have base mods with normal legends...
soooo the monochrome kit?
No, the base mods in different colors, but with regular legends rather than git commands.Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/massdrop-x-oblotzky-sa-oblivion-custom-keycap-set/sa_oblivion_kit_03_oblivion_modifiers_20170828131114.png?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=955&bg=f0f0f0&dpr=1)
I'd also really like to have base mods with normal legends...
soooo the monochrome kit?
No, the base mods in different colors, but with regular legends rather than git commands.Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/massdrop-x-oblotzky-sa-oblivion-custom-keycap-set/sa_oblivion_kit_03_oblivion_modifiers_20170828131114.png?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=955&bg=f0f0f0&dpr=1)
+1 for this please! (Base mods in different colors, regular (non-Git) legends)
Just yes, yes, yes and yes. Why do you even need an IC for that? You could just go straight into GB and even then MOQ would be reached within a day.
That said, me like me want me buy, let's do this.
Oh man, I gotta make sure I have money for this!
Also the legend in the assembly kit render are the same as Calm Depth keyset, aren't they supposed to display git command like push pull commit ... ?
So good AS IS.
If possible, Oblotzky, could you add the Octocat as a novelty?
So good AS IS.
If possible, Oblotzky, could you add the Octocat as a novelty?
I requested permission to use it for the SA run, they denied my request.
FIXEDOh man, I gotta make sure I have money for this!
wait thats not kaede what are u doin
Nope, those are ASM (Assembly) legends, which fit better as they are all 3-4 letter long instructions.
Any way we could get an extra pair of r4 1.5 mods for the assembly kit? Otherwise I'll probably join and just buy the base and assembly like with calm depths.
Could you elaborate what that would be for? It's always easier to listen to suggestions when we know what the purpose of that change is.
What if you offered Hagomoro alphas + Monochrome mods as the second base kit?Wasn't paying attention to this at first, then I stopped for 5 seconds, then I think about it, and lol that was pretty smart. Makes perfect sense.
Then getting Git mods with Hagoromo Alphas or Monochrome Modifiers with Gray Alphas would mean buying both base kits for a whopping 260$ or so. There are simply no winners :'(
Thanks for running this set again. Is it possible to add a "b" key to the spacebar kit?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9jXdEhD.png)
How about R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn in base?Sorry if I wasn't specific enough. R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn would help cover some popular 65% layouts (Any–Delete–PgUp–PgDn right column, popular on split Backspace 65%s).
I'd also really like to have base mods with normal legends...
soooo the monochrome kit?
No, the base mods in different colors, but with regular legends rather than git commands.Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/massdrop-x-oblotzky-sa-oblivion-custom-keycap-set/sa_oblivion_kit_03_oblivion_modifiers_20170828131114.png?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=955&bg=f0f0f0&dpr=1)
+1 for this please! (Base mods in different colors, regular (non-Git) legends)
+1
As it stands, one would need to buy 2 base kits anyway to get 2 modifier sets (git + mono) right? Might as well vary the alpha colors so people are left with 2 sets of different colors alphas (hagoromo + grey) and 2 different colors mods (git + mono) if they are paying $260 for both base kits like you said.
Unless I’m missing something.
+1
As it stands, one would need to buy 2 base kits anyway to get 2 modifier sets (git + mono) right? Might as well vary the alpha colors so people are left with 2 sets of different colors alphas (hagoromo + grey) and 2 different colors mods (git + mono) if they are paying $260 for both base kits like you said.
Unless I’m missing something.
Ye this what I wanted to say earlier, but too lazy to type out lol
I know you said that the "Git Gud" key was not included because it would cost alot more to get the molds created, but would you consider to add that as a "Git Gud" kit like how GMK Carbon did for the Salt kit? Have multiple color options for "Git Gud" as a separate kit. The salt kit was one of the 3 kits that met MOQ so I feel like if a Git Gud kit could make MOQ as well.
I need a way to tell my friends to "Git Gud".
What if you offered Hagomoro alphas + Monochrome mods as the second base kit?Wasn't paying attention to this at first, then I stopped for 5 seconds, then I think about it, and lol that was pretty smart. Makes perfect sense.
Then getting Git mods with Hagoromo Alphas or Monochrome Modifiers with Gray Alphas would mean buying both base kits for a whopping 260$ or so. There are simply no winners :'(
As it stands, one would need to buy 2 base kits anyway to get 2 modifier sets (git + mono) right? Might as well vary the alpha colors so people are left with 2 sets of different colors alphas (hagoromo + grey) and 2 different colors mods (git + mono) if they are paying $260 for both base kits like you said.
Unless I’m missing something.
I'd also really like to have base mods with normal legends...
soooo the monochrome kit?
No, the base mods in different colors, but with regular legends rather than git commands.Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/massdrop-x-oblotzky-sa-oblivion-custom-keycap-set/sa_oblivion_kit_03_oblivion_modifiers_20170828131114.png?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=955&bg=f0f0f0&dpr=1)
+1 for this please! (Base mods in different colors, regular (non-Git) legends)
at last, the first custom keycap set I wanted since joining the keeb community! Words do not describe how excited I am for R2 of oblivion. 100% in on the monochrome set at the minimumI'd also really like to have base mods with normal legends...
soooo the monochrome kit?
No, the base mods in different colors, but with regular legends rather than git commands.Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/massdrop-x-oblotzky-sa-oblivion-custom-keycap-set/sa_oblivion_kit_03_oblivion_modifiers_20170828131114.png?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=955&bg=f0f0f0&dpr=1)
+1 for this please! (Base mods in different colors, regular (non-Git) legends)
Another vote for colored base mods!
I really wish I could just offer the kits split up into a more modular system like how it is done with SA/DSA buys, but that's unfortunately not how GMK operates. For GMK Oblivion R1 I initially wanted to do the same (regular mods, monochrome mods, gray alphas and white alphas) but buying one mods + one alphas would have cost 160$, while as single base kits we were able to offer it for 135$. There are very few people that want to get all the combinations possible, but most will stick to buying one base and leave it at that, so I don't want to burden the majority with the wishes of the minority.
at last, the first custom keycap set I wanted since joining the keeb community! Words do not describe how excited I am for R2 of oblivion. 100% in on the monochrome set at the minimumI'd also really like to have base mods with normal legends...
soooo the monochrome kit?
No, the base mods in different colors, but with regular legends rather than git commands.Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/massdrop-x-oblotzky-sa-oblivion-custom-keycap-set/sa_oblivion_kit_03_oblivion_modifiers_20170828131114.png?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=955&bg=f0f0f0&dpr=1)
+1 for this please! (Base mods in different colors, regular (non-Git) legends)
Another vote for colored base mods!
Please have colored regular mods! Even as just a separate kit would be fine with me.
at last, the first custom keycap set I wanted since joining the keeb community! Words do not describe how excited I am for R2 of oblivion. 100% in on the monochrome set at the minimumI'd also really like to have base mods with normal legends...
soooo the monochrome kit?
No, the base mods in different colors, but with regular legends rather than git commands.Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/massdrop-x-oblotzky-sa-oblivion-custom-keycap-set/sa_oblivion_kit_03_oblivion_modifiers_20170828131114.png?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=955&bg=f0f0f0&dpr=1)
+1 for this please! (Base mods in different colors, regular (non-Git) legends)
Another vote for colored base mods!
Please have colored regular mods! Even as just a separate kit would be fine with me.
Another vote for colored regular mods
Any way we could get an extra pair of r4 1.5 mods for the assembly kit? Otherwise I'll probably join and just buy the base and assembly like with calm depths.I'm in the same boat. I have a Sol and a Boardwalk and they both need four R4 1.5u key caps to complete my layout. It seems like a popular design choice for the ergo boards that have been coming out lately. It would be great if i didn't have to buy a base set for two key caps.
I know Colevrak is a maybe at this point, but could you consider adding mod DH support please - the latest mt3 kit has the necessary keys - it's only a few more.
It's always cited as something that'll be hard to hit MOQ, but this might just be the most popular GMK set we've had in a while, if not now, then when?
I'd buy at least 2 sets if it's offered.
I am now pondering how to solve the 'Monochrome Mods separate pls'-issue. If I counted correctly, that would be a 38 key kit, which is pretty good. More people being merged into the Git Base Kit could also lead to another price break of that, which could be 10-20$. So at higher MOQ's, I could see the Git Base being 119$ or even 109$, and with Monochrome Modifiers on their own for 60$ or so be a solid 180$ish price. My main beef with this however remains that you won't be able to buy just Monochrome Modifiers + Hagoromo Alphas, as you would have to buy the Git Base just for the TKL nav keys (arrows, del/insert/pgup/pgdn/function row etc).Idk how realistic this seems but would it be cheaper to merge monochrome modifiers + horogomo alphas instead of making it separate kits? I’m curious to see if there’s an overlap...
Yes please! I'll definately be in for a base kit.
I know you said that the "Git Gud" key was not included because it would cost alot more to get the molds created, but would you consider to add that as a "Git Gud" kit like how GMK Carbon did for the Salt kit? Have multiple color options for "Git Gud" as a separate kit. The salt kit was one of the 3 kits that met MOQ so I feel like if a Git Gud kit could make MOQ as well.
I need a way to tell my friends to "Git Gud".
Oh no, why Massdrop, cool set anyhow
Could you elaborate what that would be for? It's always easier to listen to suggestions when we know what the purpose of that change is.
It was for a few of the boardwalk layouts in my case, so I understand how incredibly unlikely of a request it is.
4 pages already. I thought it was a dead post lol
This is probably already too far in development, but would you be able to somehow separate git mods, for Round 1-ers so they dont have to buy an extra set?
Ah well, that's just how the way things are. Money will be spent... Again. Thanks Oblotzky.
- Happy owner of R1 GMK Oblivion, SA Oblivion, GMK Space Cadet, and was almost tempted to get calm depths.
I was in the original GMK Oblivion group buy and to be honest I think that having the sets split between two different base kits was a big problem.
Neither set made MOQ on their own (I don't remember the exact final numbers) but were produced thanks to jchan filling in the difference. Obviously we don't want a GMK Carbon R2 situation either where there are just a *ton* of child kits, but wouldn't it be better to have a single base kit (probably the git version) and then have the monochrome mods as an additional kit?
In any case I'm glad to see this getting a re-run and I will be in for a base kit and Hagoromo kits.
Is Crimson Cadet cancelled? :/ I was hoping for cc in q1
I know Colevrak is a maybe at this point, but could you consider adding mod DH support please - the latest mt3 kit has the necessary keys - it's only a few more.
It's always cited as something that'll be hard to hit MOQ, but this might just be the most popular GMK set we've had in a while, if not now, then when?
I'd buy at least 2 sets if it's offered.
What are the 1.75u blanks for in the Assembly kit? Seems like you could probably replace those with extra 1.5u and 1.25u R3 keys for full Pearl and pretty much any other 40s compat.
I've been waiting for this set for a while. It's a shame I'll have to wait a little longer still (late Q2 2019). In for a Monochrome Base kit!
Have you considered designing/producing a deskpad?
I know the Assembly kit is, well, assembly, but I feel like it would be apropos here to slap the Git mods into the Assembly kit, in lieu of the assembly instructions.
Normally you have debate over which key is Shift, Ctrl, Fn, etc... but in this run, they're all novelties anyway. I assume we can expect many more Assembly kits from you, but this will be one of the few sets that already has a programming theme. No reason not to run with the existing theme, IMO. If you really want to use different legends, there is plenty of Git functionality left to decorate keys with (cherry-pick, rebase, reflog, etc.) -- but I assume reusing custom legends from the Git kit can cut the cost down even further on the Assembly kit.
I know the Assembly kit is, well, assembly, but I feel like it would be apropos here to slap the Git mods into the Assembly kit, in lieu of the assembly instructions.
Normally you have debate over which key is Shift, Ctrl, Fn, etc... but in this run, they're all novelties anyway. I assume we can expect many more Assembly kits from you, but this will be one of the few sets that already has a programming theme. No reason not to run with the existing theme, IMO. If you really want to use different legends, there is plenty of Git functionality left to decorate keys with (cherry-pick, rebase, reflog, etc.) -- but I assume reusing custom legends from the Git kit can cut the cost down even further on the Assembly kit.
Existing legend plates (tooling) can only be used across the same key size. Additionally, 1u keys fit 5 letters at most, making it impossible to fill that many keys with various legends, and dropping many important ones in the process due to their length. Thirdly, Assembly legends have already been made so there is no extra tooling cost. I'd have to go back to zero pretty much, have two kits like in Space Cadet.
ne minivan support :(
... but Assembly is a single 1.75u R2 key short of supporting what is probably the 2nd most popular sub-60% keyboard (after the Planck).
With that, I also felt comfortable merging the ISO parts of the Base Kit into the NorDeUK kit, as there's now just 3 ISO returns left instead of 4. This should also increase the likelihood of that kit happening, as people can't cheap out for physical ISO support via the Base Kits now. It's all or nothing now, with less burden on the ANSI folks.
My main beef with this however remains that you won't be able to buy just Monochrome Modifiers + Hagoromo Alphas, as you would have to buy the Git Base just for the TKL nav keys (arrows, del/insert/pgup/pgdn/function row etc).
Any thought about consolidating haragomo alphas into mono mods and make that the mono base kit? This case we have 2 completely different base kits (and not just the different mods like what we are having now). People who want just haragomo alphas sure will end up paying a little bit extra, but they also get some brand new mono mods. People who want both git mods and mono mods will then have an extra kit of haragomo alphas, instead of a duplicate gray alphas kit. Kind of a win-win for me.
I know the chances are pretty much zero for this, but I still wanted to mention it: I‘d really like to see the macro.asm set that was in the SA drop (mainly for my TC-V3 but also because they are nice placeholders for unusual layouts).
About moving basic ISO completely to the NorDeUK kit: While I‘d much rather have it in the main set (since most of the time I‘m ok with just UK ISO), I can understand the decision and I think it makes sense. But that would mean, that if the NorDeUK set doesn‘t hit MOQ, there wouldn‘t be any ISO support at all (not even basic UK), right?
Looking forward to this set!
Any thought about consolidating haragomo alphas into mono mods and make that the mono base kit? This case we have 2 completely different base kits (and not just the different mods like what we are having now). People who want just haragomo alphas sure will end up paying a little bit extra, but they also get some brand new mono mods. People who want both git mods and mono mods will then have an extra kit of haragomo alphas, instead of a duplicate gray alphas kit. Kind of a win-win for me.
I like this for myself, but the idea of spending $218-$270 just to get hagoromo alphas with git mods is probably a little off-putting for anyone that doesn't care for monochrome.
I managed to grab hagoromo as the full kit on V1. If the price is low enough, I'd go for it again, but the grey alphas look better having owned both.Any thought about consolidating haragomo alphas into mono mods and make that the mono base kit? This case we have 2 completely different base kits (and not just the different mods like what we are having now). People who want just haragomo alphas sure will end up paying a little bit extra, but they also get some brand new mono mods. People who want both git mods and mono mods will then have an extra kit of haragomo alphas, instead of a duplicate gray alphas kit. Kind of a win-win for me.
I like this for myself, but the idea of spending $218-$270 just to get hagoromo alphas with git mods is probably a little off-putting for anyone that doesn't care for monochrome.
Right, but if you think about it, Haragomo alphas as a standalone kit would be in the neighborhood of $80 to $90 whereas a base kit is around $130 to $140. You're only spending about $50 more but you get a full set of fresh, brand new mono mods. That alone is worth a lot more than $50.
I removed the red accents from Monochrome Base Kit. They were overlapping with GMK Honeywell too much.
Smol update. Mainly, I removed the red accents from Monochrome Base Kit. They were overlapping with GMK Honeywell too much.
Right, but if you think about it, Haragomo alphas as a standalone kit would be in the neighborhood of $80 to $90 whereas a base kit is around $130 to $140. You're only spending about $50 more but you get a full set of fresh, brand new mono mods. That alone is worth a lot more than $50.
While we are still in IC state, if Git Base mods alone option is no go how about another kit of git base with hagoromo alphas instead of grey? For lot of us who participated in SC, getting additional grey alphas is a redunduncy.
I must focus on having a smooth round 2 buy, and the best way to do that is ignore that round 1 exists.
So should these kits end up in the GB, consider this your only chance to ever buy a GMK Oblivion set with Colevrak/NorDeUK support. Sorry if that sounds like a threat or so, but you are an endangered species. Thank you.
I don't see it as wise to add a niche on what is already a niche of a niche.
In for a set!
May I suggest the removal of the numpad from the base kit into a separate kit?
I think that there are not many full sized keebs given the popularity of other form factors.
I think this would help to bring the cost down even if it’s just by a bit and attract more buyers and hence bump up the numbers which may result in higher tiers of price savings.
In for a set!
May I suggest the removal of the numpad from the base kit into a separate kit?
I think that there are not many full sized keebs given the popularity of other form factors.
I think this would help to bring the cost down even if it’s just by a bit and attract more buyers and hence bump up the numbers which may result in higher tiers of price savings.
Sorry for this silly question, but if I wanted to get a sort of generic 40% with split space support, would I be getting base + assembly + space bar kit?
Personally, I think having the Hagomoro alphas in a separate kit works very well, but I am being biased. Myself, I plan on using the keycaps on 1 keyboard, I will buy the git base kit and hagomoro alphas so that I can swap the alphas once in a while.
... but Assembly is a single 1.75u R2 key short of supporting what is probably the 2nd most popular sub-60% keyboard (after the Planck).
Would also very ... very much like a second 1.75u R2 key :)
Really ...
Personally, I think having the Hagomoro alphas in a separate kit works very well, but I am being biased. Myself, I plan on using the keycaps on 1 keyboard, I will buy the git base kit and hagomoro alphas so that I can swap the alphas once in a while.
There in lies the conundrum, for those of us who already have GMK Dolch and/or GMK Space Cadet (I am sure there are plenty of us out there), we already have grey alphas. I personally have both and already got 2 set of grey alphas and not looking for 3rd. As it appears that mods alone may or may not happen, and in that case if the additional base kit was offered with git base mods+hagoromo alphas it will make drop more attractive and easy on wallet, hence a plea for accommodation. Oblotzky gets to decide as there are other factors besides our want which impacts overall drop, but one can hope.
I am now pondering how to solve the 'Monochrome Mods separate pls'-issue. If I counted correctly, that would be a 38 key kit, which is pretty good. More people being merged into the Git Base Kit could also lead to another price break of that, which could be 10-20$. So at higher MOQ's, I could see the Git Base being 119$ or even 109$, and with Monochrome Modifiers on their own for 60$ or so be a solid 180$ish price. My main beef with this however remains that you won't be able to buy just Monochrome Modifiers + Hagoromo Alphas, as you would have to buy the Git Base just for the TKL nav keys (arrows, del/insert/pgup/pgdn/function row etc).
Regarding the whole 2nd base/separate mono mods issue, I will go over this many times and try to find the best solution. During that process, I will prioritize the average buyer, which I believe to be a person that wants to equip a single keyboard with one of the 4 possible colorways (Git + Oblivion Alphas, Git + Hagoromo Alphas, Monochrome + Oblivion Alphas or Monochrome + Hagoromo Alphas). People that want to go ham and equip 4 boards, while I applaud the enthusiasm and am very thankful for the commitment, are at the end of the day a minority. It's like the big lesson I learned from SA Green Screen. I offered a modifier kit inclusive of all specialties, but this turned away most customers as the price for just Alphas + Mods was almost 160$. This lead to way lower quantities overall and thus lower breakpoints. Had I split off the Specialties like it is usually done, we probably would have ended up with even cheaper prices for those that bought the equivalent of a GMK base kit, while at the same time the majority of people got it way cheaper had they only have to buy a Alpha + TKL kit for their WASD/Poker etc. And the same could happen here, yes those that want to pick up 3 colorways at once will be at a disadvantage, but due to more volume generated via affordable base kit this extra cost could be alleviated.
Wait, what keyboard needs two of those??
at last, the first custom keycap set I wanted since joining the keeb community! Words do not describe how excited I am for R2 of oblivion. 100% in on the monochrome set at the minimumI'd also really like to have base mods with normal legends...
soooo the monochrome kit?
No, the base mods in different colors, but with regular legends rather than git commands.Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/massdrop-x-oblotzky-sa-oblivion-custom-keycap-set/sa_oblivion_kit_03_oblivion_modifiers_20170828131114.png?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=955&bg=f0f0f0&dpr=1)
+1 for this please! (Base mods in different colors, regular (non-Git) legends)
Another vote for colored base mods!
I don't know if I am in the minority or not, but one of the main reasons I like Oblivion was because of the colored git mods so the initial kit that oblotzky posted is exactly perfect for me.
I don't know if I am in the minority or not, but one of the main reasons I like Oblivion was because of the colored git mods so the initial kit that oblotzky posted is exactly perfect for me.
I second this. Base kit is pretty much perfect! Being GMK Oblivion based on the Oblivion color scheme for programmer text editors, the colourful Git legends make perfect sense.
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@Oblotzky You haven't replied to my question regarding adding R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn (extended 65% support) to the base kits. That's the only thing I would change.
It'd be best if you could straight up just add them to the kits, but if space is tight, maybe consider dropping R3 Code/Hyper in favor of R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn? The only staggered board that uses that key as far as I'm aware is Uniqey C70 (but that board also uses R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn in its default layout).
I have it on my checklist, decision still pending. I don't value default layouts too much when the PCB is programmable.
I have it on my checklist, decision still pending. I don't value default layouts too much when the PCB is programmable.
Yeah, default layouts are hardly an argument, but the fact is that R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn are popular on 65%/75% boards, esp. those with split Backspace (people align Delete with Backspace, then have PgUp and PgDn below that). I think every third or fourth 65% I see uses those keys. I'd say they're more popular than split Num+, loosely speaking.
Thanks for considering it.
I hope we can get the RED ISO Enter back in the Nordeuk kit :confused:
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I hope we can get the RED ISO Enter back in the Nordeuk kit :confused:
(https://i.ibb.co/z8pfYws/IMG-20180708-002535-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TK6hS5c)
+1 for adding red accents back in. I actually really like them with monochrome.
Smol update. Mainly, I removed the red accents from Monochrome Base Kit. They were overlapping with GMK Honeywell too much.
Would love to see colored standard mods on the "monochrome base kit"!
What is the purpose of the R2/R3 PgUp and PgDn? Could you swap them for R3 and R4 instead?
I hope we can get the RED ISO Enter back in the Nordeuk kit :confused:
(https://i.ibb.co/z8pfYws/IMG-20180708-002535-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TK6hS5c)
+1 for adding red accents back in. I actually really like them with monochrome.Smol update. Mainly, I removed the red accents from Monochrome Base Kit. They were overlapping with GMK Honeywell too much.Would love to see colored standard mods on the "monochrome base kit"!Show Image(https://www.meme-arsenal.com/memes/c684277a39909270beb0b6b6001d5b32.jpg)
I hope we can get the RED ISO Enter back in the Nordeuk kit :confused:
(https://i.ibb.co/z8pfYws/IMG-20180708-002535-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TK6hS5c)
+1 for adding red accents back in. I actually really like them with monochrome.Smol update. Mainly, I removed the red accents from Monochrome Base Kit. They were overlapping with GMK Honeywell too much.Would love to see colored standard mods on the "monochrome base kit"!Show Image(https://www.meme-arsenal.com/memes/c684277a39909270beb0b6b6001d5b32.jpg)
Sorry bud, I feel you. It's just because we love this set so much and want it to be perfect. However, you are the designer so do what you see fit :)
I agree w/ R3 and R4 PgUp and PgDn. What is the purpose of the R2/R3 PgUp and PgDn? Could you swap them for R3 and R4 instead?
I hope we can get the RED ISO Enter back in the Nordeuk kit :confused:
(https://i.ibb.co/z8pfYws/IMG-20180708-002535-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TK6hS5c)
+1 for adding red accents back in. I actually really like them with monochrome.Smol update. Mainly, I removed the red accents from Monochrome Base Kit. They were overlapping with GMK Honeywell too much.
Oblotzky sir:
Would it be possible to have R3 - PageUp and R4 - PageDn?
Thanks!
Another request is to have one novelty cap for R2, R3 and R4, respectively (something similar to what GMK Bento did), which will add so much compatibility to various layouts.
Oblotzky sir:
Would it be possible to have R3 - PageUp and R4 - PageDn?
Thanks!
Another request is to have one novelty cap for R2, R3 and R4, respectively (something similar to what GMK Bento did), which will add so much compatibility to various layouts.
R3 PgUp/R4 PgDn is being considered. For novelties, I don't see any other than the Git logo itself happening. I don't feel Oblivion benefits from icons much.
Oblotzky sir:
Would it be possible to have R3 - PageUp and R4 - PageDn?
Thanks!
Another request is to have one novelty cap for R2, R3 and R4, respectively (something similar to what GMK Bento did), which will add so much compatibility to various layouts.
R3 PgUp/R4 PgDn is being considered. For novelties, I don't see any other than the Git logo itself happening. I don't feel Oblivion benefits from icons much.
Thanks for considering it!
I guess the goal of the proposed novelties for each row is primarily to increase compatibility, as people can use them for literally any key without looking weird, thanks for considering though!
Alt Gr for ISO.
Smol update. Mainly, I removed the red accents from Monochrome Base Kit. They were overlapping with GMK Honeywell too much.
With that, I also felt comfortable merging the ISO parts of the Base Kit into the NorDeUK kit, as there's now just 3 ISO returns left instead of 4. This should also increase the likelihood of that kit happening, as people can't cheap out for physical ISO support via the Base Kits now. It's all or nothing now, with less burden on the ANSI folks.
Oblotzky sir:
Would it be possible to have R3 - PageUp and R4 - PageDn?
Thanks!
Another request is to have one novelty cap for R2, R3 and R4, respectively (something similar to what GMK Bento did), which will add so much compatibility to various layouts.
R3 PgUp/R4 PgDn is being considered. For novelties, I don't see any other than the Git logo itself happening. I don't feel Oblivion benefits from icons much.
Thanks for considering it!
I guess the goal of the proposed novelties for each row is primarily to increase compatibility, as people can use them for literally any key without looking weird, thanks for considering though!
Depending on taste, novelties can look weird. Especially in a set that is meant to mimic a code editor.
What about basic UK ISO for Hagoromo (in the NorDeUK kit)? Would „only“ be like two keys, right?Alt Gr for ISO.
I hate that you are right. Might have to add 1.25u and 1.5u Alt Gr in Monochrome colors.
I have it on my checklist, decision still pending. I don't value default layouts too much when the PCB is programmable.
Yeah, default layouts are hardly an argument, but the fact is that R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn are popular on 65%/75% boards, esp. those with split Backspace (people align Delete with Backspace, then have PgUp and PgDn below that). I think every third or fourth 65% I see uses those keys. I'd say they're more popular than split Num+, loosely speaking.
Thanks for considering it.
I agree w/ R3 and R4 PgUp and PgDn. What is the purpose of the R2/R3 PgUp and PgDn? Could you swap them for R3 and R4 instead?
Alt Gr for ISO.+1, would consider getting an ISO kit just for Alt Gr.
If you're keeping the gray alphas for the monochrome kit, it would be really nice to have the red accents back. Doesn't look like Honeywell unless you're considering swapping the gray alphas for hagoromo alphas on the monochrome kit.+1
If you're keeping the gray alphas for the monochrome kit, it would be really nice to have the red accents back. Doesn't look like Honeywell unless you're considering swapping the gray alphas for hagoromo alphas on the monochrome kit.
I agree w/ R3 and R4 PgUp and PgDn. What is the purpose of the R2/R3 PgUp and PgDn? Could you swap them for R3 and R4 instead?
I think a lot of people do (from top to bottom): Home/PgUp/PgDn/End
They were overlapping with GMK Honeywell too much.
I agree w/ R3 and R4 PgUp and PgDn. What is the purpose of the R2/R3 PgUp and PgDn? Could you swap them for R3 and R4 instead?
I think a lot of people do (from top to bottom): Home/PgUp/PgDn/End
+1 to this. I either do that or (Del or Print)/PgUp/PgDn/Fn for 65%. For 75% I do Home/End/PgUp/PgDn/Fn (R1,R1,R2,R3,R4).
2,any possible to add a R3 1.25 enter.
I'd say also remove the blue from base. Put red, blue, add hagoromo versions, and ISO versions in a color pack.If you're keeping the gray alphas for the monochrome kit, it would be really nice to have the red accents back. Doesn't look like Honeywell unless you're considering swapping the gray alphas for hagoromo alphas on the monochrome kit.
+1 for red accents back
I'd say also remove the blue from base. Put red, blue, add hagoromo versions, and ISO versions in a color pack.
Imo, the base should be gray, with text accents doing the differentiation (like real code...).
Smol update. Mainly, I removed the red accents from Monochrome Base Kit. They were overlapping with GMK Honeywell too much.
With that, I also felt comfortable merging the ISO parts of the Base Kit into the NorDeUK kit, as there's now just 3 ISO returns left instead of 4. This should also increase the likelihood of that kit happening, as people can't cheap out for physical ISO support via the Base Kits now. It's all or nothing now, with less burden on the ANSI folks.
So that means that IF NorDeUk doesnt happen, that i wont even be getting a ISO enter in the base set, feel kinda bummed out by that :(
Would love to see a Vim kit if that's possible. The Vimkeys Oblivion SA kit looked great.
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There are a lot of people who would prefer Oblivion mods because the GIT keys don't really mean much to them or make sense where they're located, but some of the GIT keys are still pretty cool. Why not include them in a novelty pack? A "Hello, World!" enter, "Git" esc or even a "Revert" back space would be excellent choices. Novelty kits almost always sell well, so labeling it this way may help it sell better than just having a dedicated GIT mod pack.
I’ll miss the windowed caps, as well as the coloured “normal” mods, from the R1 run a lot. I’m on the fence but I’ll keep watching this space.
There are a lot of people who would prefer Oblivion mods because the GIT keys don't really mean much to them or make sense where they're located, but some of the GIT keys are still pretty cool. Why not include them in a novelty pack? A "Hello, World!" enter, "Git" esc or even a "Revert" back space would be excellent choices. Novelty kits almost always sell well, so labeling it this way may help it sell better than just having a dedicated GIT mod pack.
Anything less than a full set of git modifiers would be a deal breaker for me, at least on the base kit. On the plus side at least I'd just have the Assembly kit to buy. ;p
Split everything all into child kits, no base, jack prices up to $90 a kit. Grab popcorns.The funny thing is that when it actually happens people who demanded separate kits will just explode when the prices are all jacked
/s
If you're keeping the gray alphas for the monochrome kit, it would be really nice to have the red accents back. Doesn't look like Honeywell unless you're considering swapping the gray alphas for hagoromo alphas on the monochrome kit.
Split everything all into child kits, no base, jack prices up to $90 a kit. Grab popcorns.
/s
Split everything all into child kits, no base, jack prices up to $90 a kit. Grab popcorns.
/sbase: $159.99<-- no! as you suggested
from GMK Carbon:
- Boneyard Alphas: $109.99
- Umka Modifier: $159.99
=> $269.98 <-- good luck!
Split everything all into child kits, no base, jack prices up to $90 a kit. Grab popcorns.
/sbase: $159.99<-- no! as you suggested
from GMK Carbon:
- Boneyard Alphas: $109.99
- Umka Modifier: $159.99
=> $269.98 <-- good luck!
But in this case, if there is a git base kit v2 (git base mods + hagoromo alphas) should have same cost as currently proposed git base kit. This should quite down some discontent for those who already grey alphas from other drops.
But in this case, if there is a git base kit v2 (git base mods + hagoromo alphas) should have same cost as currently proposed git base kit. This should quite down some discontent for those who already grey alphas from other drops.
This. Oblivion+Grey base & Git+Hagoromo base with a mono mod kit and color accent kit would be :thumb: I'd personally set aside money now and buy all 4 of these sets when it drops. It would also allow a full Hagoromo mono set to be built with only 2 kits like Oblotzky was initially wanting.
This. Oblivion+Grey base & Git+Hagoromo base with a mono mod kit and color accent kit would be :thumb: I'd personally set aside money now and buy all 4 of these sets when it drops. It would also allow a full Hagoromo mono set to be built with only 2 kits like Oblotzky was initially wanting.
But in this case, if there is a git base kit v2 (git base mods + hagoromo alphas) should have same cost as currently proposed git base kit. This should quite down some discontent for those who already grey alphas from other drops.
This. Oblivion+Grey base & Git+Hagoromo base with a mono mod kit and color accent kit would be :thumb: I'd personally set aside money now and buy all 4 of these sets when it drops. It would also allow a full Hagoromo mono set to be built with only 2 kits like Oblotzky was initially wanting.
But in this case, if there is a git base kit v2 (git base mods + hagoromo alphas) should have same cost as currently proposed git base kit. This should quite down some discontent for those who already grey alphas from other drops.
This. Oblivion+Grey base & Git+Hagoromo base with a mono mod kit and color accent kit would be :thumb: I'd personally set aside money now and buy all 4 of these sets when it drops. It would also allow a full Hagoromo mono set to be built with only 2 kits like Oblotzky was initially wanting.
Then what about people that want Git with Oblivion Alphas? They'll have to buy a base kit just for those then.
This. Oblivion+Grey base & Git+Hagoromo base with a mono mod kit and color accent kit would be :thumb: I'd personally set aside money now and buy all 4 of these sets when it drops. It would also allow a full Hagoromo mono set to be built with only 2 kits like Oblotzky was initially wanting.
I would eat my hat if this happened, since I'm solely interested in Git+Hagoromo and monochrome mods, with a possible side of Assembly for planck and Ultimate Hacking Keyboard shenanigans.
Though without a hagoromo alphas kit this puts Assembly and Base users at a slight disadvantage if they wanted hagoromo alphas, since now they'll have to spend a bit or a lot more on an extra set of git mods. Depending on price breaks and MOQ and all that.
But in this case, if there is a git base kit v2 (git base mods + hagoromo alphas) should have same cost as currently proposed git base kit. This should quite down some discontent for those who already grey alphas from other drops.
This. Oblivion+Grey base & Git+Hagoromo base with a mono mod kit and color accent kit would be :thumb: I'd personally set aside money now and buy all 4 of these sets when it drops. It would also allow a full Hagoromo mono set to be built with only 2 kits like Oblotzky was initially wanting.
Then what about people that want Git with Oblivion Alphas? They'll have to buy a base kit just for those then.
Tbh, the general consensus I can gather is that most people in this thread want og mods. Also, we're already going to have to buy 2 base kits for some combinations anyway and then have duplicate grey mod sets.
Also, I'll happily sell my Git mods to anyone who just wants those btw.
But in this case, if there is a git base kit v2 (git base mods + hagoromo alphas) should have same cost as currently proposed git base kit. This should quite down some discontent for those who already grey alphas from other drops.
This. Oblivion+Grey base & Git+Hagoromo base with a mono mod kit and color accent kit would be :thumb: I'd personally set aside money now and buy all 4 of these sets when it drops. It would also allow a full Hagoromo mono set to be built with only 2 kits like Oblotzky was initially wanting.
Then what about people that want Git with Oblivion Alphas? They'll have to buy a base kit just for those then.
Tbh, the general consensus I can gather is that most people in this thread want og mods. Also, we're already going to have to buy 2 base kits for some combinations anyway and then have duplicate grey mod sets.
Also, I'll happily sell my Git mods to anyone who just wants those btw.
Usually its those who aren't happy who post.
But in this case, if there is a git base kit v2 (git base mods + hagoromo alphas) should have same cost as currently proposed git base kit. This should quite down some discontent for those who already grey alphas from other drops.
This. Oblivion+Grey base & Git+Hagoromo base with a mono mod kit and color accent kit would be :thumb: I'd personally set aside money now and buy all 4 of these sets when it drops. It would also allow a full Hagoromo mono set to be built with only 2 kits like Oblotzky was initially wanting.
Then what about people that want Git with Oblivion Alphas? They'll have to buy a base kit just for those then.
Tbh, the general consensus I can gather is that most people in this thread want og mods. Also, we're already going to have to buy 2 base kits for some combinations anyway and then have duplicate grey mod sets.
Also, I'll happily sell my Git mods to anyone who just wants those btw.
I want git Mods, and I hope they stay in the base kit. I don't think general consensus is that OG mods are preferred. Usually its those who aren't happy who post.
But in this case, if there is a git base kit v2 (git base mods + hagoromo alphas) should have same cost as currently proposed git base kit. This should quite down some discontent for those who already grey alphas from other drops.
This. Oblivion+Grey base & Git+Hagoromo base with a mono mod kit and color accent kit would be :thumb: I'd personally set aside money now and buy all 4 of these sets when it drops. It would also allow a full Hagoromo mono set to be built with only 2 kits like Oblotzky was initially wanting.
Then what about people that want Git with Oblivion Alphas? They'll have to buy a base kit just for those then.
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git mods pls, anything else is wrong
Why are there people against having colored regular mods? Most of the people that want colored regular mods seem fine with it being a separate add-on kit which doesn't affect the base. How does this hurt those that want colored git mods? Unless it truly is a one or the other decision which would be quite disappointing.
I just want the option for colored regular mods somewhere. I don't mind paying more. :(
I'd say also remove the blue from base. Put red, blue, add hagoromo versions, and ISO versions in a color pack.If you're keeping the gray alphas for the monochrome kit, it would be really nice to have the red accents back. Doesn't look like Honeywell unless you're considering swapping the gray alphas for hagoromo alphas on the monochrome kit.
+1 for red accents back
Imo, the base should be gray, with text accents doing the differentiation (like real code...).
Because there's been some back and forth discussion about the legends, I did some spreadsheeting for anyone looking for a summary as of this post:
21 people have expressed specific interest in normal, colored R1 legends
15 people have expressed specific interest in Git legends
9 people have expressed specific interest in the Git legends as a separate kit, mostly as an add-on for R1 buyers. 1 of these people overlaps in the group of 15.
This is not counting the broad support and enthusiasm from all others who presumably are happy in some way with the current kit offerings.
I think it's reasonable to say that interest for Git legends and "normal" R1 legends are fairly equal at this point.
I favor git mods too, but I think I've made that pretty clear from the start.
Is there an issue with offering original mods as part of a standalone kit? It would be costly for those that want them, but I feel like original mods had their time in Oblivion V1; now it's git mods turn in V2, so anyone wanting OG mods should understand having to pay more for a kit. Git mods also fit the theme better, as mentioned by others. I would suggest making a poll, but then I pause, because git mods should be part of the base kit in this round no matter what. It can be an informative poll, but should not affect the end decision regarding git mods in the base.
I favor git mods too, but I think I've made that pretty clear from the start.
Is there an issue with offering original mods as part of a standalone kit? It would be costly for those that want them, but I feel like original mods had their time in Oblivion V1; now it's git mods turn in V2, so anyone wanting OG mods should understand having to pay more for a kit. Git mods also fit the theme better, as mentioned by others. I would suggest making a poll, but then I pause, because git mods should be part of the base kit in this round no matter what. It can be an informative poll, but should not affect the end decision regarding git mods in the base.
This is my favorite solution.
+1 git mods
I favor git mods too, but I think I've made that pretty clear from the start.
Is there an issue with offering original mods as part of a standalone kit? It would be costly for those that want them, but I feel like original mods had their time in Oblivion V1; now it's git mods turn in V2, so anyone wanting OG mods should understand having to pay more for a kit. Git mods also fit the theme better, as mentioned by others. I would suggest making a poll, but then I pause, because git mods should be part of the base kit in this round no matter what. It can be an informative poll, but should not affect the end decision regarding git mods in the base.
This is my favorite solution.
+1 git mods
I favor git mods too, but I think I've made that pretty clear from the start.
Is there an issue with offering original mods as part of a standalone kit? It would be costly for those that want them, but I feel like original mods had their time in Oblivion V1; now it's git mods turn in V2, so anyone wanting OG mods should understand having to pay more for a kit. Git mods also fit the theme better, as mentioned by others. I would suggest making a poll, but then I pause, because git mods should be part of the base kit in this round no matter what. It can be an informative poll, but should not affect the end decision regarding git mods in the base.
This is my favorite solution.
+1 git mods
Git mods +1 for me as well. If you want an set with normal colored mods, then go buy a R1 set on r/mm.
I favor git mods too, but I think I've made that pretty clear from the start.
Is there an issue with offering original mods as part of a standalone kit? It would be costly for those that want them, but I feel like original mods had their time in Oblivion V1; now it's git mods turn in V2, so anyone wanting OG mods should understand having to pay more for a kit. Git mods also fit the theme better, as mentioned by others. I would suggest making a poll, but then I pause, because git mods should be part of the base kit in this round no matter what. It can be an informative poll, but should not affect the end decision regarding git mods in the base.
This is my favorite solution.
+1 git modsI favor git mods too, but I think I've made that pretty clear from the start.
Is there an issue with offering original mods as part of a standalone kit? It would be costly for those that want them, but I feel like original mods had their time in Oblivion V1; now it's git mods turn in V2, so anyone wanting OG mods should understand having to pay more for a kit. Git mods also fit the theme better, as mentioned by others. I would suggest making a poll, but then I pause, because git mods should be part of the base kit in this round no matter what. It can be an informative poll, but should not affect the end decision regarding git mods in the base.
This is my favorite solution.
+1 git mods
Git mods +1 for me as well. If you want an set with normal colored mods, then go buy a R1 set on r/mm.
This is not a competition, people want orig mods to be offered ALSO (NOT INSTEAD.)
Based on Oblotzky's responses, it's safe to say that the Git mods are staying...in the base.
And if it's costly for somebody else, it shouldn't concern you.
What would putting normal colored mods on the Hagoromo alphas do to kit prices? I know it would create 3 base sets but if they are $119 each, then it would be better than having a git or normal colored mods kit that costs $80I'm also curious about this. I asked a similar question in the Skidata IC and he said he'd look into it.
What would putting normal colored mods on the Hagoromo alphas do to kit prices? I know it would create 3 base sets but if they are $119 each, then it would be better than having a git or normal colored mods kit that costs $80
Running multiple base kits is risky because of MOQ, and price breaks. To get a price of 119 per set means a lot of purchases of that particular base kit. It's tough to say what is the buyers price elasticity, though the makers and MD probably have a better idea than rest of us. Many of us spend hundreds to thousand+ dollars on keyboards and key sets (every year,) suggesting the prices should not matter that much (in this super premium market) and at the same time many will opt out from sets that they feel are not worth spending $200+ on kits to achieve the end result they want (I'm guilty of it too.) It's a tough decision for the makers; but it's their baby, they'll make it how they want it. It's important not to get too emotionally attached to the sets :)
What would putting normal colored mods on the Hagoromo alphas do to kit prices? I know it would create 3 base sets but if they are $119 each, then it would be better than having a git or normal colored mods kit that costs $80
This is what I'd like to happen personally. I'm not that fond of Git mods, but I recognize the need for them to be in this run. I'd very much like to have a Hagoromo+Oblivion mod base and a Grey+Git base and then just move monochrome to a mod set rather than a full base set.
Sounds like some sort of consensus among a few of us is being reached here, and we're down to two competing options: a secondary base kit that includes original oblivion mods, or a standalone oblivion mod kit. I'm F5'ing this thread like crazy to see everyone's ideas; seems we all care about Oblivion a lot. (:
Just please no more requests to remove the numpad from the base or hagoromo kits like wtf...
This is my ideal scenario as well. There would be 3 bases, but this is looking popular enough to not matter. And while less price drops would be achieved, it's seems like it's already going to be pretty reasonable to begin with. Having the option to pair Oblivion mods with either Hagoromo or Grey alphas (not at the expensive of a Git mod base, but in addition to) would be very nice.
3 base kits sounds like a no thoThis is my ideal scenario as well. There would be 3 bases, but this is looking popular enough to not matter. And while less price drops would be achieved, it's seems like it's already going to be pretty reasonable to begin with. Having the option to pair Oblivion mods with either Hagoromo or Grey alphas (not at the expensive of a Git mod base, but in addition to) would be very nice.
There doesn't need to be 3 base sets. Just Grey+Git and Hagoromo+OG. I'm proposing to just have a monochrome mod kit rather than a full monochrome base set. One of the reasons Oblotzky wanted to have a monochrome base set was so that people could make Mono+Hagoromo with just 2 kits. This can still be achieved with the sets I listed as well as a Mono+grey alphas set.
Edit:
- So these two base setsShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/Anb1X9X.png)
- And a monchrome mod kit like this from r1Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/vUHApxh.jpg)
This is my ideal scenario as well. There would be 3 bases, but this is looking popular enough to not matter. And while less price drops would be achieved, it's seems like it's already going to be pretty reasonable to begin with. Having the option to pair Oblivion mods with either Hagoromo or Grey alphas (not at the expensive of a Git mod base, but in addition to) would be very nice.
There doesn't need to be 3 base sets. Just Grey+Git and Hagoromo+OG. I'm proposing to just have a monochrome mod kit rather than a full monochrome base set. One of the reasons Oblotzky wanted to have a monochrome base set was so that people could make Mono+Hagoromo with just 2 kits. This can still be achieved with the sets I listed as well as a Mono+grey alphas set.
Edit:
- So these two base setsShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/Anb1X9X.png)
- And a monchrome mod kit like this from r1Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/vUHApxh.jpg)
This is my ideal scenario as well. There would be 3 bases, but this is looking popular enough to not matter. And while less price drops would be achieved, it's seems like it's already going to be pretty reasonable to begin with. Having the option to pair Oblivion mods with either Hagoromo or Grey alphas (not at the expensive of a Git mod base, but in addition to) would be very nice.
There doesn't need to be 3 base sets. Just Grey+Git and Hagoromo+OG. I'm proposing to just have a monochrome mod kit rather than a full monochrome base set. One of the reasons Oblotzky wanted to have a monochrome base set was so that people could make Mono+Hagoromo with just 2 kits. This can still be achieved with the sets I listed as well as a Mono+grey alphas set.
Edit:
- So these two base setsShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/Anb1X9X.png)
- And a monchrome mod kit like this from r1Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/vUHApxh.jpg)
So.. there won't be a base kit with gray alphas and original colored mod right?
So.. there won't be a base kit with gray alphas and original colored mod right?
Correct. I will see if I can introduce regular colored mods, but it won't be as another base kit or replacing the git base.
So.. there won't be a base kit with gray alphas and original colored mod right?
Correct. I will see if I can introduce regular colored mods, but it won't be as another base kit or replacing the git base.
So.. there won't be a base kit with gray alphas and original colored mod right?
Correct. I will see if I can introduce regular colored mods, but it won't be as another base kit or replacing the git base.
I think many people would be happy with that
So.. there won't be a base kit with gray alphas and original colored mod right?
Correct. I will see if I can introduce regular colored mods, but it won't be as another base kit or replacing the git base.
I think many people would be happy with that
:thumb:
So I'm assuming you're keeping Git base and Monochrome base and then adding a legacy mod kit, right? If that's the case, then I'd definitely be down for Mono base with legacy mods (and maybe hagormo alphas too baring finances at the time of the drop)
So.. there won't be a base kit with gray alphas and original colored mod right?
Correct. I will see if I can introduce regular colored mods, but it won't be as another base kit or replacing the git base.
I think many people would be happy with that
+1 for regular colored mods being available. Can't wait.Really doubt the actual number of buyers will be that impressive
So.. there won't be a base kit with gray alphas and original colored mod right?
Correct. I will see if I can introduce regular colored mods, but it won't be as another base kit or replacing the git base.
I think many people would be happy with that+1 for regular colored mods being available. Can't wait.Really doubt the actual number of buyers will be that impressive
Also this is GMK Oblivion V2, not GMK Oblivion R2, the main focus this time is the git mods, not the normal colored mods
So.. there won't be a base kit with gray alphas and original colored mod right?
Correct. I will see if I can introduce regular colored mods, but it won't be as another base kit or replacing the git base.
I think many people would be happy with that+1 for regular colored mods being available. Can't wait.Really doubt the actual number of buyers will be that impressive
Also this is GMK Oblivion V2, not GMK Oblivion R2, the main focus this time is the git mods, not the normal colored mods
I'd be interested in adding an R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn to the base kits for use on 65% layouts like Tada68 and White Fox, but I suspect their absence is to keep the kit size and cost down. If you're unwilling to add something that layout-specific, would you be willing to consider adding a 1U git mod for R2 and R3? Then I could just use all 1U git mods in the first four rows of my rightmost column. The existing Git Base Kit already has enough 1U git mods for me to use in R1 and R4, but the only 1U novelty mods for R2 and R3 are from the Assembly Kit, which are instructions that don't really match the git theme. There are plenty of git commands that aren't in there yet -- how about cherry, reflog, reset, blame, or bisect? If you moved something from one of the larger keys, you could use "cherry-pick" (though perhaps its absence is a statement).
I'd be interested in adding an R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn to the base kits for use on 65% layouts like Tada68 and White Fox, but I suspect their absence is to keep the kit size and cost down. If you're unwilling to add something that layout-specific, would you be willing to consider adding a 1U git mod for R2 and R3? Then I could just use all 1U git mods in the first four rows of my rightmost column. The existing Git Base Kit already has enough 1U git mods for me to use in R1 and R4, but the only 1U novelty mods for R2 and R3 are from the Assembly Kit, which are instructions that don't really match the git theme. There are plenty of git commands that aren't in there yet -- how about cherry, reflog, reset, blame, or bisect? If you moved something from one of the larger keys, you could use "cherry-pick" (though perhaps its absence is a statement).
Yeah this is exactly what I was sort of asking. Oblotzky did say that he is considering R3 Pgup and R4 Pgdn. And indeed one 1u key per row (with some git commands) will be awesome
It kinda has that...
R1 Home
R2 Page up
R3 Page down
R4 End
That’s how it’s usually done. Or delete, page up, page down, FN.
I'd be interested in adding an R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn to the base kits for use on 65% layouts like Tada68 and White Fox, but I suspect their absence is to keep the kit size and cost down. If you're unwilling to add something that layout-specific, would you be willing to consider adding a 1U git mod for R2 and R3? Then I could just use all 1U git mods in the first four rows of my rightmost column. The existing Git Base Kit already has enough 1U git mods for me to use in R1 and R4, but the only 1U novelty mods for R2 and R3 are from the Assembly Kit, which are instructions that don't really match the git theme. There are plenty of git commands that aren't in there yet -- how about cherry, reflog, reset, blame, or bisect? If you moved something from one of the larger keys, you could use "cherry-pick" (though perhaps its absence is a statement).
You base kit size isn't your top priority and you have removed ISO from the kit. You could add R3 and R4 page up page down. Alternatively, you could do git mods for those too.
It kinda has that...
R1 Home
R2 Page up
R3 Page down
R4 End
That’s how it’s usually done. Or delete, page up, page down, FN.
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in. May I ask if oblivion alphas and space cadet alphas have the same color?
Count me in. Any chance of doubling up on the 1.5u Super and Meta keys (2 of each) so I can do something like a HHKB/M0110 layout?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/dBJHOvv.png)
in. May I ask if oblivion alphas and space cadet alphas have the same color?
Same base color (gray) but different legend color (off-white vs beige)
in. May I ask if oblivion alphas and space cadet alphas have the same color?
Same base color (gray) but different legend color (off-white vs beige)
Huh, I didn't even realize. What's the reason for the different colors?
in. May I ask if oblivion alphas and space cadet alphas have the same color?
Same base color (gray) but different legend color (off-white vs beige)
This is my ideal scenario as well. There would be 3 bases, but this is looking popular enough to not matter. And while less price drops would be achieved, it's seems like it's already going to be pretty reasonable to begin with. Having the option to pair Oblivion mods with either Hagoromo or Grey alphas (not at the expensive of a Git mod base, but in addition to) would be very nice.
There doesn't need to be 3 base sets. Just Grey+Git and Hagoromo+OG. I'm proposing to just have a monochrome mod kit rather than a full monochrome base set. One of the reasons Oblotzky wanted to have a monochrome base set was so that people could make Mono+Hagoromo with just 2 kits. This can still be achieved with the sets I listed as well as a Mono+grey alphas set.
Edit:
- So these two base setsShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/Anb1X9X.png)
- And a monchrome mod kit like this from r1Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/vUHApxh.jpg)
This is my ideal scenario as well. There would be 3 bases, but this is looking popular enough to not matter. And while less price drops would be achieved, it's seems like it's already going to be pretty reasonable to begin with. Having the option to pair Oblivion mods with either Hagoromo or Grey alphas (not at the expensive of a Git mod base, but in addition to) would be very nice.
There doesn't need to be 3 base sets. Just Grey+Git and Hagoromo+OG. I'm proposing to just have a monochrome mod kit rather than a full monochrome base set. One of the reasons Oblotzky wanted to have a monochrome base set was so that people could make Mono+Hagoromo with just 2 kits. This can still be achieved with the sets I listed as well as a Mono+grey alphas set.
Edit:
- So these two base setsShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/Anb1X9X.png)
- And a monchrome mod kit like this from r1Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/vUHApxh.jpg)
Agree
Are the arrow icons intended? Hope not :p
Are the arrow icons intended? Hope not :p
If this set changes to text arrows it'd be a deal killer for me
Is this based on GMK Oblivion V1 numbers?This is my ideal scenario as well. There would be 3 bases, but this is looking popular enough to not matter. And while less price drops would be achieved, it's seems like it's already going to be pretty reasonable to begin with. Having the option to pair Oblivion mods with either Hagoromo or Grey alphas (not at the expensive of a Git mod base, but in addition to) would be very nice.
There doesn't need to be 3 base sets. Just Grey+Git and Hagoromo+OG. I'm proposing to just have a monochrome mod kit rather than a full monochrome base set. One of the reasons Oblotzky wanted to have a monochrome base set was so that people could make Mono+Hagoromo with just 2 kits. This can still be achieved with the sets I listed as well as a Mono+grey alphas set.
Edit:
- So these two base setsShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/Anb1X9X.png)
- And a monchrome mod kit like this from r1Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/vUHApxh.jpg)
Agree
Disagree because it forces you to buy 2 base kits if you want git+hagoromo or regular text + oblivion alphas
No idea if it’s mentioned before. But perhaps;
1) base with git mods and grey alpha’s (like it is now)
2) base with monochrome mods and hagoromo alpha’s
For the price or 2 base kits you’d have every possible combination :P
Although, if there is a lot of demand for complete monochrome this would not benefit those people’s wallet.
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No idea if it’s mentioned before. But perhaps;
1) base with git mods and grey alpha’s (like it is now)
2) base with monochrome mods and hagoromo alpha’s
For the price or 2 base kits you’d have every possible combination :P
Although, if there is a lot of demand for complete monochrome this would not benefit those people’s wallet.
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This was suggested before by me, otanishock and possibly others. Didn’t seem to get any traction though.
No idea if it’s mentioned before. But perhaps;
1) base with git mods and grey alpha’s (like it is now)
2) base with monochrome mods and hagoromo alpha’s
For the price or 2 base kits you’d have every possible combination :P
Although, if there is a lot of demand for complete monochrome this would not benefit those people’s wallet.
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This was suggested before by me, otanishock and possibly others. Didn’t seem to get any traction though.
Too lazy to read through 9 pages, thx for the slap to the face though ;) :D
Why does the assembly kit include the git mods with no option for the monochrome mods?
Are we serious about these 2 base kits? Didn't we learn anything from the GMK Carbon R2?
This second kit is totally pointless. Kits were totally fine so i stopped to follow the IC, but now this... Oblotzky this will just split the moq and increase the price.
You know the Git Base Kit is far more popular and the second kit is also way too similar to the Modern Dolch without accents which happened recently.
Not sure why this decision, but i hope you can change mind. Even a monochrome double base kit is a bad decision (every double base kit is a bad decision) but it would be less pointless than this.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/LgA21yX.png)
I'm kinda bummed out by the fact that this is going to be run through massdrop. Those custom fees always hit me hard.
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I'm kinda bummed out by the fact that this is going to be run through massdrop. Those custom fees always hit me hard.
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definitely more people joining through MD, the prices will be cheaper than other vendors. So it might just even out.
ne iso turkish minivan support avial?
I still don't get the point of including the Git modifiers in the base set if this kit is supposed to be IDE theme based rather than Git based. I mean they are fine for a novelties kit, but why are they in the base set? And if they are meant to stay, what's wrong with offering the colored modifiers from R1 and the SA set as an optional kit?
I still don't get the point of including the Git modifiers in the base set if this kit is supposed to be IDE theme based rather than Git based. I mean they are fine for a novelties kit, but why are they in the base set? And if they are meant to stay, what's wrong with offering the colored modifiers from R1 and the SA set as an optional kit?
Nothing "wrong" with it persay I think the worry as always is just splitting up the buyers making all kits harder to hit MOQ and more expensive. He's mentioned earlier in the thread he wants to maintain a good relationship with GMK and they prefer less kits if possible I think.
I still don't get the point of including the Git modifiers in the base set if this kit is supposed to be IDE theme based rather than Git based. I mean they are fine for a novelties kit, but why are they in the base set? And if they are meant to stay, what's wrong with offering the colored modifiers from R1 and the SA set as an optional kit?
Nothing "wrong" with it persay I think the worry as always is just splitting up the buyers making all kits harder to hit MOQ and more expensive. He's mentioned earlier in the thread he wants to maintain a good relationship with GMK and they prefer less kits if possible I think.
Think you misunderstood. Just that less kits is to be preferred with GMK as it favors pricing. If you want to see what splitting up everything does to pricing, check out GMK Retro on Massdrop, the pricing sheet is still up. I want to design this round so that most people buy 1 base and 2 addons at most (e.g. git base + hagoromo alphas + spacekeys, or git base + alternate function row + cadet alphas)
Is the timeline for the GB, very soon, or soon sooon?
Is the timeline for the GB, very soon, or soon sooon?
From the OP: New GMK Oblivion on Massdrop end of Q2 2019
Still have a while before this drops
I still don't get the point of including the Git modifiers in the base set if this kit is supposed to be IDE theme based rather than Git based. I mean they are fine for a novelties kit, but why are they in the base set? And if they are meant to stay, what's wrong with offering the colored modifiers from R1 and the SA set as an optional kit?
Nothing "wrong" with it persay I think the worry as always is just splitting up the buyers making all kits harder to hit MOQ and more expensive. He's mentioned earlier in the thread he wants to maintain a good relationship with GMK and they prefer less kits if possible I think.
Think you misunderstood. Just that less kits is to be preferred with GMK as it favors pricing. If you want to see what splitting up everything does to pricing, check out GMK Retro on Massdrop, the pricing sheet is still up. I want to design this round so that most people buy 1 base and 2 addons at most (e.g. git base + hagoromo alphas + spacekeys, or git base + alternate function row + cadet alphas)
My apologies on the misunderstanding. That makes sense what you're going for. I am surprised about the decision to have a second base kit though.
any updates on which month will this be on MD?
any updates on which month will this be on MD?
Around June of 2019, according to the man himself (Oblotzky).
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It's not long for an IC at all, and the people giving suggestions and the designer both need time to think on how to improve the setany updates on which month will this be on MD?
Around June of 2019, according to the man himself (Oblotzky).
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running IC for 4 months? why this long?
any updates on which month will this be on MD?
Around June of 2019, according to the man himself (Oblotzky).
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running IC for 4 months? why this long?
but can you make a base kit of only alphas
but can you make a base kit of only alphas
In b4 u must be new 2 GMK.
Please make it happen soon.
I am probably going to proxy for 50+ chinese friends.
for someone named GMK you sure are wrong about GMKbut can you make a base kit of only alphas
In b4 u must be new 2 GMK.
Alphas would have been perfect. Nothing wrong in that idea.
for someone named GMK you sure are wrong about GMKbut can you make a base kit of only alphas
In b4 u must be new 2 GMK.
Alphas would have been perfect. Nothing wrong in that idea.
for someone named GMK you sure are wrong about GMKbut can you make a base kit of only alphas
In b4 u must be new 2 GMK.
Alphas would have been perfect. Nothing wrong in that idea.
Sorry, I'm a novice to gmk...
I'm trying to get:
1 x Hagoromo Alphas
1 x Oblivion Alphas
1 x Monochrome Mods
1 x Git Mods
1 x Assembly Mods
2 x spacekeys, 1 x alternate functions. That's a lot of grey alphas I'm going to have to sell.
Yeah, the kits really need to be redistributed. As they are rn, I'd be passing on some kits I'd probably normally get. I think having separate alpha and mod kits would be best like how the SA run was done.
I'd also really like to have base mods with normal legends...
I really wish I could just offer the kits split up into a more modular system like how it is done with SA/DSA buys, but that's unfortunately not how GMK operates. For GMK Oblivion R1 I initially wanted to do the same (regular mods, monochrome mods, gray alphas and white alphas) but buying one mods + one alphas would have cost 160$, while as single base kits we were able to offer it for 135$.
is it possible to remove num pad from base kit, this might reduce price of base kit. num pad can be in a separate kit. i seldom see people have full-sized keyboard and most of custom keyboards are TKL.
is it possible to remove num pad from base kit, this might reduce price of base kit. num pad can be in a separate kit. i seldom see people have full-sized keyboard and most of custom keyboards are TKL.
I'll wait for pricing of the kits I've drafted up currently (some changes I haven't posted yet because I want to wait for said pricing before settling on those changes since I might discard them after all) before I consider such a change.
is it possible to remove num pad from base kit, this might reduce price of base kit. num pad can be in a separate kit. i seldom see people have full-sized keyboard and most of custom keyboards are TKL.
I'll wait for pricing of the kits I've drafted up currently (some changes I haven't posted yet because I want to wait for said pricing before settling on those changes since I might discard them after all) before I consider such a change.
Thanks for considering this great suggestion!
I think the pricing for Jamon came out really nicely (without numpad). Lot's of us only use 65% or 60% and having a base without the numpads will probably allow us to to buy more other useful kits or multiple base kits.
Would be great to see a RAMA WORKS x Oblivion Artisan key. If this is a possibility?
Would be great to see a RAMA WORKS x Oblivion Artisan key. If this is a possibility?
I'm not normally an artisan keycap kind of guy, but a dark gray aluminum keycap with the Git logo as an orange infill might actually get me to buy one.
I'm not normally an artisan keycap kind of guy, but a dark gray aluminum keycap with the Git logo as an orange infill might actually get me to buy one.
I'm not a Rama guy and I'm definitely not a Rama artisan guy, but that sounds awesome.
Thanks for considering this great suggestion!
I think the pricing for Jamon came out really nicely (without numpad). Lot's of us only use 65% or 60% and having a base without the numpads will probably allow us to to buy more other useful kits or multiple base kits.
ne 2nd tab avail?
A second R2 1.50U Tab key has also been included on this kit. This eccentric addition allows you to potentially reuse some of your extra modifiers on another keyboard. For instance, you’d be able to cover a standard ANSI TKL keyboard and reuse the extra modifiers on an HHKB layout.
in b4 private gbPlease make it happen soon.
I am probably going to proxy for 50+ chinese friends.
weird flex, but ok
I plan on filling 2 boards with oblivion and using hagoromo for one of ‘em. Methinks that’s there’ll be less waste if I only have to buy 1 base kit.ne 2nd tab avail?Out of interest - do you want a second Tab to be able to use the base kit + extra alphas to cover two boards? Is that even a reasonable possibility? I recently saw mention of the idea in Zambumon's GMK Nautilus Nightmares (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97325.0) interest check:Quote from: ZambumonA second R2 1.50U Tab key has also been included on this kit. This eccentric addition allows you to potentially reuse some of your extra modifiers on another keyboard. For instance, you’d be able to cover a standard ANSI TKL keyboard and reuse the extra modifiers on an HHKB layout.Has anyone done this?
I plan on filling 2 boards with oblivion and using hagoromo for one of ‘em. Methinks that’s there’ll be less waste if I only have to buy 1 base kit.ne 2nd tab avail?Out of interest - do you want a second Tab to be able to use the base kit + extra alphas to cover two boards? Is that even a reasonable possibility? I recently saw mention of the idea in Zambumon's GMK Nautilus Nightmares (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97325.0) interest check:Quote from: ZambumonA second R2 1.50U Tab key has also been included on this kit. This eccentric addition allows you to potentially reuse some of your extra modifiers on another keyboard. For instance, you’d be able to cover a standard ANSI TKL keyboard and reuse the extra modifiers on an HHKB layout.Has anyone done this?
is it possible to remove num pad from base kit, this might reduce price of base kit. num pad can be in a separate kit. i seldom see people have full-sized keyboard and most of custom keyboards are TKL.
I'll wait for pricing of the kits I've drafted up currently (some changes I haven't posted yet because I want to wait for said pricing before settling on those changes since I might discard them after all) before I consider such a change.
Thanks for considering this great suggestion!
I think the pricing for Jamon came out really nicely (without numpad). Lot's of us only use 65% or 60% and having a base without the numpads will probably allow us to to buy more other useful kits or multiple base kits.
+1 for separate numpad kit. I'm thinking more and more that separating the Core and the numpad kits is the way of the future. Zambumon = Nostradamus confirmed.
is it possible to remove num pad from base kit, this might reduce price of base kit. num pad can be in a separate kit. i seldom see people have full-sized keyboard and most of custom keyboards are TKL.
I'll wait for pricing of the kits I've drafted up currently (some changes I haven't posted yet because I want to wait for said pricing before settling on those changes since I might discard them after all) before I consider such a change.
Thanks for considering this great suggestion!
I think the pricing for Jamon came out really nicely (without numpad). Lot's of us only use 65% or 60% and having a base without the numpads will probably allow us to to buy more other useful kits or multiple base kits.
+1 for separate numpad kit. I'm thinking more and more that separating the Core and the numpad kits is the way of the future. Zambumon = Nostradamus confirmed.
Please DON'T even remotely consider to split the numpad Oblotzky, please stop this meme before it's spreads, you can be the hero who will say no and will stop the plague.
Jamon base + numpad +ISO is like $177, definetely higher than any base set with the same keys included, like every other set is.
Current Jamon is $115, i would definetely pay +$20/25 for numpad and ISO compatibility (and i'm an ANSI user).
There are already too many kits (some unnecessary, e.g. second base as monochrome and grey mods), splitting even more will definetely kill every sort of MOQ and increase prices even more.
If we keeps going in this path in the future GMK will be all splitted like SA and a full set like it is now will cost $250, and a base 60% kit will still be $100. Just don't, be a hero, kill it before it begins.
Splitting the numpad is a terrible idea because of cost issues.
If the pricing from GMK were the same as for Signature Plastics then having kits for everything would be great and affordable, and the only debate we'd need is over what to include in which kits. Unfortunately that isn't the case for GMK, and until it is I'd really rather keep numpad part of the base.
Splitting the numpad is a terrible idea because of cost issues.
If the pricing from GMK were the same as for Signature Plastics then having kits for everything would be great and affordable, and the only debate we'd need is over what to include in which kits. Unfortunately that isn't the case for GMK, and until it is I'd really rather keep numpad part of the base.
Going off Jamón though, nearly 75% of users aren't using a numpad. That's a lot of people's money just sitting round in closets. Personally, I really like to have a numpad for kits that I buy, just in case I decide I want to move a kit to a full-size or a 1800 board. That said, I don't expect most users to spend more just so that I can have my evidently niche preference covered for a bit less. I think it's fair that I pay a bit more if it means that on net people save money.
Who knows, a cheaper base kit possibly means we hit lower price breaks and save a bit more money there!
Splitting the numpad is a terrible idea because of cost issues.
If the pricing from GMK were the same as for Signature Plastics then having kits for everything would be great and affordable, and the only debate we'd need is over what to include in which kits. Unfortunately that isn't the case for GMK, and until it is I'd really rather keep numpad part of the base.
Going off Jamón though, nearly 75% of users aren't using a numpad. That's a lot of people's money just sitting round in closets. Personally, I really like to have a numpad for kits that I buy, just in case I decide I want to move a kit to a full-size or a 1800 board. That said, I don't expect most users to spend more just so that I can have my evidently niche preference covered for a bit less. I think it's fair that I pay a bit more if it means that on net people save money.
Who knows, a cheaper base kit possibly means we hit lower price breaks and save a bit more money there!
I kind of agree with this. Keeping numpad in the base seems kind of unfair for the overwhelming majority who don't use numpads. Either way a decision like this isn't going to benefit everyone so it makes sense to benefit the vast majority than the few.
Splitting the numpad is a terrible idea because of cost issues.
If the pricing from GMK were the same as for Signature Plastics then having kits for everything would be great and affordable, and the only debate we'd need is over what to include in which kits. Unfortunately that isn't the case for GMK, and until it is I'd really rather keep numpad part of the base.
Going off Jamón though, nearly 75% of users aren't using a numpad. That's a lot of people's money just sitting round in closets. Personally, I really like to have a numpad for kits that I buy, just in case I decide I want to move a kit to a full-size or a 1800 board. That said, I don't expect most users to spend more just so that I can have my evidently niche preference covered for a bit less. I think it's fair that I pay a bit more if it means that on net people save money.
Who knows, a cheaper base kit possibly means we hit lower price breaks and save a bit more money there!
I kind of agree with this. Keeping numpad in the base seems kind of unfair for the overwhelming majority who don't use numpads. Either way a decision like this isn't going to benefit everyone so it makes sense to benefit the vast majority than the few.
That's a good point. I'm one of the people buying a numpad kit with Jamon, and I don't mind it being a little more expensive for me to save the majority of people money on caps they don't want or need.
If this is the route the set takes though then maybe it would be beneficial to get the group buy down to one base kit and split off monochrome mods into their own kit again like in the original sale.
Splitting the numpad is a terrible idea because of cost issues.Numpad is about as popular as split and 40s if you wanna go with jamons numbers. Not including numpad in the base makes the base kit more attractive, which means that more people buy it, hence MOQ marks are hit and the base kit gets cheaper. Numpad might now cost 35 bucks, but the base kit cost reduction just saved you around that same amount, so it evens out for people using numpad at a certain MOQ, say 500 for example. It changes nothing for people who would use numpad, but it reduces the cost for people who wouldn't, which is the majority of buyers.
If the pricing from GMK were the same as for Signature Plastics then having kits for everything would be great and affordable, and the only debate we'd need is over what to include in which kits. Unfortunately that isn't the case for GMK, and until it is I'd really rather keep numpad part of the base.
I don’t think using the split of a terrible meme set to justify splitting other sets is a very smart thing to do.
How many people bought jamon for the meme and didn’t want to spend a lot of money on full kits? How many people only bought the base kit and skipped the numpad kit (or ISO, 40s, novelties, etc), not because they don’t use a numpad (or whatever relevant board), but because they were already spending $120 and didn’t want to spend any extra on the joke?
As others have said, splitting things up is only going to keep prices down temporarily. After a while all the kits will start going up in price and next thing you know you’ll be paying just as much for the jamon style base kit as you already do for the standard GMK base set.
I don’t think using the split of a terrible meme set to justify splitting other sets is a very smart thing to do.
How many people bought jamon for the meme and didn’t want to spend a lot of money on full kits? How many people only bought the base kit and skipped the numpad kit (or ISO, 40s, novelties, etc), not because they don’t use a numpad (or whatever relevant board), but because they were already spending $120 and didn’t want to spend any extra on the joke?
As others have said, splitting things up is only going to keep prices down temporarily. After a while all the kits will start going up in price and next thing you know you’ll be paying just as much for the jamon style base kit as you already do for the standard GMK base set.
Splitting the numpad is a terrible idea because of cost issues.Numpad is about as popular as split and 40s if you wanna go with jamons numbers. Not including numpad in the base makes the base kit more attractive, which means that more people buy it, hence MOQ marks are hit and the base kit gets cheaper. Numpad might now cost 35 bucks, but the base kit cost reduction just saved you around that same amount, so it evens out for people using numpad at a certain MOQ, say 500 for example. It changes nothing for people who would use numpad, but it reduces the cost for people who wouldn't, which is the majority of buyers.
If the pricing from GMK were the same as for Signature Plastics then having kits for everything would be great and affordable, and the only debate we'd need is over what to include in which kits. Unfortunately that isn't the case for GMK, and until it is I'd really rather keep numpad part of the base.
I'd call that a win overall. You could apply the same argument to 40s and split. Although these numbers only really apply to jamon, oblivion v2 has a lot more hype surrounding it then jamon did, and jamon is on its way to 500 MOQ. My only concern for oblivion not hitting 500 moq would be the split base kits.
I don’t think using the split of a terrible meme set to justify splitting other sets is a very smart thing to do.
How many people bought jamon for the meme and didn’t want to spend a lot of money on full kits? How many people only bought the base kit and skipped the numpad kit (or ISO, 40s, novelties, etc), not because they don’t use a numpad (or whatever relevant board), but because they were already spending $120 and didn’t want to spend any extra on the joke?
As others have said, splitting things up is only going to keep prices down temporarily. After a while all the kits will start going up in price and next thing you know you’ll be paying just as much for the jamon style base kit as you already do for the standard GMK base set.
I don’t think using the split of a terrible meme set to justify splitting other sets is a very smart thing to do.
How many people bought jamon for the meme and didn’t want to spend a lot of money on full kits? How many people only bought the base kit and skipped the numpad kit (or ISO, 40s, novelties, etc), not because they don’t use a numpad (or whatever relevant board), but because they were already spending $120 and didn’t want to spend any extra on the joke?
As others have said, splitting things up is only going to keep prices down temporarily. After a while all the kits will start going up in price and next thing you know you’ll be paying just as much for the jamon style base kit as you already do for the standard GMK base set.
Nearly 400 base kits with 12 days to go.. not bad for a terrible meme set. Clearly the pinnacle of keycap development brings out the hater in you.
I don’t think using the split of a terrible meme set to justify splitting other sets is a very smart thing to do.
How many people bought jamon for the meme and didn’t want to spend a lot of money on full kits? How many people only bought the base kit and skipped the numpad kit (or ISO, 40s, novelties, etc), not because they don’t use a numpad (or whatever relevant board), but because they were already spending $120 and didn’t want to spend any extra on the joke?
As others have said, splitting things up is only going to keep prices down temporarily. After a while all the kits will start going up in price and next thing you know you’ll be paying just as much for the jamon style base kit as you already do for the standard GMK base set.
Nearly 400 base kits with 12 days to go.. not bad for a terrible meme set. Clearly the pinnacle of keycap development brings out the hater in you.
Oh yes, the pinnacle of development lol. Never once before have a bunch of people jumped onboard to anything just to be in on the trend or joke, even if it’s not actually good. Just in case you’ve been living under a rock, please, let me direct you to the last 50+ years of pop culture...
Just because people buy in to it doesn’t make it a good idea.
Would get 5 NorDeUk Kits to make it happen....fingers crossed
I don’t think using the split of a terrible meme set to justify splitting other sets is a very smart thing to do.
How many people bought jamon for the meme and didn’t want to spend a lot of money on full kits? How many people only bought the base kit and skipped the numpad kit (or ISO, 40s, novelties, etc), not because they don’t use a numpad (or whatever relevant board), but because they were already spending $120 and didn’t want to spend any extra on the joke?
As others have said, splitting things up is only going to keep prices down temporarily. After a while all the kits will start going up in price and next thing you know you’ll be paying just as much for the jamon style base kit as you already do for the standard GMK base set.
Nearly 400 base kits with 12 days to go.. not bad for a terrible meme set. Clearly the pinnacle of keycap development brings out the hater in you.
Oh yes, the pinnacle of development lol. Never once before have a bunch of people jumped onboard to anything just to be in on the trend or joke, even if it’s not actually good. Just in case you’ve been living under a rock, please, let me direct you to the last 50+ years of pop culture...
Just because people buy in to it doesn’t make it a good idea.
Good day fellow geekhacker,
Please consider buying GMK Jamón.
I don’t think using the split of a terrible meme set to justify splitting other sets is a very smart thing to do.
How many people bought jamon for the meme and didn’t want to spend a lot of money on full kits?
How many people only bought the base kit and skipped the numpad kit (or ISO, 40s, novelties, etc), not because they don’t use a numpad (or whatever relevant board), but because they were already spending $120 and didn’t want to spend any extra on the joke?
As others have said, splitting things up is only going to keep prices down temporarily. After a while all the kits will start going up in price and next thing you know you’ll be paying just as much for the jamon style base kit as you already do for the standard GMK base set.
I think I’ll let the numbers do the talking.
I chose GMK Calm Depths as the reference since both are GMK, dropped recently and offers similar support
GMK Calm Depths Base Kit: 125USD (250)
GMK Jamōn Base Kit: 115USD (250),100USD (500), 90USD (1000)
GMK Jamōn Numpad: 38 USD (100), 33 (150), 30(250), 28 (500)
At Base MOQ, Calm Depths is cheaper (base case scenario)
GMK Jamōn costs 115+38=153 vs Calm Depths 125. Jamon is $28 more expensive.
I think I’ll let the numbers do the talking.
I chose GMK Calm Depths as the reference since both are GMK, dropped recently and offers similar support
GMK Calm Depths Base Kit: 125USD (250)
GMK Jamōn Base Kit: 115USD (250),100USD (500), 90USD (1000)
GMK Jamōn Numpad: 38 USD (100), 33 (150), 30(250), 28 (500)
At Base MOQ, Calm Depths is cheaper (base case scenario)
GMK Jamōn costs 115+38=153 vs Calm Depths 125. Jamon is $28 more expensive.
GMK Calm Depths included ISO support, so add in the Jamon ISO kit to your math and it will be more accurate.
GMK Jamon ISO : 24 USD (100), 21 USD (150), 19 USD (250)
So, GMK Jamon costs 115+62=177 vs 125.
At lowest moq for all the kits, 90+47=137 vs 125.
No matter how you look at it it costs more for the same amount of coverage.
it also means you’re paying more for less coverage
Exactly - the folks who need ISO/numpad support pay for it, rather than everyone in the entire buy subsidizing the additional cost for caps they will never use.
I have a bunch of ANSI keys, i can sell it to you real cheap... :thumb:
I think I’ll let the numbers do the talking.
I chose GMK Calm Depths as the reference since both are GMK, dropped recently and offers similar support
GMK Calm Depths Base Kit: 125USD (250)
GMK Jamōn Base Kit: 115USD (250),100USD (500), 90USD (1000)
GMK Jamōn Numpad: 38 USD (100), 33 (150), 30(250), 28 (500)
At Base MOQ, Calm Depths is cheaper (base case scenario)
GMK Jamōn costs 115+38=153 vs Calm Depths 125. Jamon is $28 more expensive.
GMK Calm Depths included ISO support, so add in the Jamon ISO kit to your math and it will be more accurate.
GMK Jamon ISO : 24 USD (100), 21 USD (150), 19 USD (250)
So, GMK Jamon costs 115+62=177 vs 125.
At lowest moq for all the kits, 90+47=137 vs 125.
No matter how you look at it it costs more for the same amount of coverage
it also means you’re paying more for less coverage
Exactly - the folks who need ISO/numpad support pay for it, rather than everyone in the entire buy subsidizing the additional cost for caps they will never use.
With how gmk pricing works, SA style kits arent feasible. All this is doing is reducing the size of the base kit to fit the needs of the majority of people who use more standard layouts tkl and smaller. There is nothing SA stylized about that, not even remotely.Exactly - the folks who need ISO/numpad support pay for it, rather than everyone in the entire buy subsidizing the additional cost for caps they will never use.
This might the slippery slope toward Alpha, Modifiers, Extension kits and SA pricing.
I don't think this is an issue to be decided sorely based on short term factors.
We all benefited from broad base set coverage and volume pricing. Why we risk shooting ourselves in the foot?
With how gmk pricing works, SA style kits arent feasible. All this is doing is reducing the size of the base kit to fit the needs of the majority of people who use more standard layouts tkl and smaller. There is nothing SA stylized about that, not even remotely.Exactly - the folks who need ISO/numpad support pay for it, rather than everyone in the entire buy subsidizing the additional cost for caps they will never use.
This might the slippery slope toward Alpha, Modifiers, Extension kits and SA pricing.
I don't think this is an issue to be decided sorely based on short term factors.
We all benefited from broad base set coverage and volume pricing. Why we risk shooting ourselves in the foot?
I think I’ll let the numbers do the talking.
I chose GMK Calm Depths as the reference since both are GMK, dropped recently and offers similar support
GMK Calm Depths Base Kit: 125USD (250)
GMK Jamōn Base Kit: 115USD (250),100USD (500), 90USD (1000)
GMK Jamōn Numpad: 38 USD (100), 33 (150), 30(250), 28 (500)
At Base MOQ, Calm Depths is cheaper (base case scenario)
GMK Jamōn costs 115+38=153 vs Calm Depths 125. Jamon is $28 more expensive.
GMK Calm Depths included ISO support, so add in the Jamon ISO kit to your math and it will be more accurate.
GMK Jamon ISO : 24 USD (100), 21 USD (150), 19 USD (250)
So, GMK Jamon costs 115+62=177 vs 125.
At lowest moq for all the kits, 90+47=137 vs 125.
No matter how you look at it it costs more for the same amount of coverage
it also means you’re paying more for less coverage
"Less popular" sets are less popular because, well, either their colorways aren't as attractive as other or some other reasons. Increasing coverage (inherently increasing price) would not push the sale. Sure we get less coverage for the same price and everyone knows that, but I'd rather have that, than paying more for the keys I don't need.
Most of the "less popular" sets that now barely reachs the 150/250 MOQ, will basically disappear.
"Less popular" sets are less popular because, well, either their colorways aren't as attractive as other or some other reasons. Increasing coverage (inherently increasing price) would not push the sale. Sure we get less coverage for the same price and everyone knows that, but I'd rather have that, than paying more for the keys I don't need.
Most of the "less popular" sets that now barely reachs the 150/250 MOQ, will basically disappear.
Sure we get less coverage for the same price and everyone knows that, but I'd rather have that, than paying more for the keys I don't need.
Honestly not sure what you mean...Sorry if wasn't being clear. I was trying to say that I'd rather buy a base kit for $100 without numpad, than paying $120 for a base kit with numpad which I will never end up using.
Here you basically said: "i'd rather have less coverage instead of more coverage for the same price" :eek:
Honestly not sure what you mean...Sorry if wasn't being clear. I was trying to say that I'd rather buy a base kit for $100 without numpad, than paying $120 for a base kit with numpad which I will never end up using.
Here you basically said: "i'd rather have less coverage instead of more coverage for the same price" :eek:
Do we really need to wait until June? Can this drop soon pls.
I have a bunch of ANSI keys, i can sell it to you real cheap... :thumb:
tbh the guy you made fun of got a good point
Do we really need to wait until June? Can this drop soon pls.
You could’ve totally explained that in a non-sarcastic tone, not everyone knows or has seen enough GBs to know what happens when there’s an influx of sets running at the same time.Do we really need to wait until June? Can this drop soon pls.
Yea who wants to wait, hopefully this drops literally tomorrow along with GMK Minimal, Hammerhead, N9-U9, Wavez, Skidata, PBT Sanctuary and right as Jamón is about to end so that each set's sales are completely split because people have to make rational decisions regarding where their money is going and as such, every set sells about 1/5th of what they otherwise would which in turn drives up not only the price of the kits during GB as well as artificially increasing aftermarket prices due to the scarcity created by the mess prior; all the while clogging up GMK's production line and making wait times shoot up from the current 4 ish months to SP levels of a year's wait for sets to come.
Or maybe designers and runners could continue to pace themselves properly in order to maximise client appeasement and retention by maintaining a sane balance between supply and demand whilst also increasing their own profits by allowing higher numbers to come in at a time.
Not every GB is an ALF GB.
You could’ve totally explained that in a non-sarcastic tone, not everyone knows or has seen enough GBs to know what happens when there’s an influx of sets running at the same time.
Do we really need to wait until June? Can this drop soon pls.
It may seem like this could go straight into GB next month, but there's some more stuff to prepare, think over and wait for. Be patient my friend!
Lol, ok friend, you do you.You could’ve totally explained that in a non-sarcastic tone, not everyone knows or has seen enough GBs to know what happens when there’s an influx of sets running at the same time.
Clearly you don't know who I'm responding to.
NOO pls keep the original plan, i need this set, plus canvas is coming next month too. ¿wait if this is going to run in md and canvas too, something like has happen before?
NOO pls keep the original plan, i need this set, plus canvas is coming next month too. ¿wait if this is going to run in md and canvas too, something like that has happen before?, i mean 2 big sets at the same time in md?
Do we really need to wait until June? Can this drop soon pls.
It may seem like this could go straight into GB next month, but there's some more stuff to prepare, think over and wait for. Be patient my friend!
Wow, possibly next month? Amazing!
NOO pls keep the original plan, i need this set, plus canvas is coming next month too. ¿wait if this is going to run in md and canvas too, something like has happen before?
Please help me out here, what change towards the original plan have I changed?
NOO pls keep the original plan, i need this set, plus canvas is coming next month too. ¿wait if this is going to run in md and canvas too, something like has happen before?
Please help me out here, what change towards the original plan have I changed?
NOO pls keep the original plan, i need this set, plus canvas is coming next month too. ¿wait if this is going to run in md and canvas too, something like has happen before?
Please help me out here, what change towards the original plan have I changed?
sorry, just referring to the original date of late Q2
NOO pls keep the original plan, i need this set, plus canvas is coming next month too. ¿wait if this is going to run in md and canvas too, something like has happen before?
Please help me out here, what change towards the original plan have I changed?
sorry, just referring to the original date of late Q2
And it's still heading towards that...?
It appears that "it may seem like" was wildly misunderstood as "it is"
I just want to kiss you sometimes, Virgrith.You could’ve totally explained that in a non-sarcastic tone, not everyone knows or has seen enough GBs to know what happens when there’s an influx of sets running at the same time.
Clearly you don't know who I'm responding to.
In a nutshell, if you start to split, every GMK set succeeding will be only on massdrop most likely (unless it is a very hyped set).
Most of the "less popular" sets that now barely reachs the 150/250 MOQ, will basically disappear.
Exactly - the folks who need ISO/numpad support pay for it, rather than everyone in the entire buy subsidizing the additional cost for caps they will never use.
What kits are essential? How are they costing 200 USD? Let's say jamon stays at 250 MOQ price (it'll prob make it to 500 due to MD buying up sets, vendors, etc) and that you buy both the split/40s kit and the numpad kit. That is ~202 USD. But who is going to buy both? You might as well buy another base kit at that point as well.With how gmk pricing works, SA style kits arent feasible. All this is doing is reducing the size of the base kit to fit the needs of the majority of people who use more standard layouts tkl and smaller. There is nothing SA stylized about that, not even remotely.Exactly - the folks who need ISO/numpad support pay for it, rather than everyone in the entire buy subsidizing the additional cost for caps they will never use.
This might the slippery slope toward Alpha, Modifiers, Extension kits and SA pricing.
I don't think this is an issue to be decided sorely based on short term factors.
We all benefited from broad base set coverage and volume pricing. Why we risk shooting ourselves in the foot?
Nope, there have been many instances of alphas, novelties, adapters, etc. on GMK.
I wouldn't jump into conclusion based on historic pricing policies and kitting trends.
If the problem is price inflation, we should look at that holistically rather that going for easy fix of compromising coverage.
Someone earlier blamed price inflation on base set bloat which is unfounded - all the popular base sets have had 140-150+ keys.
Hate to pick on Jamon (design I like), but if I put some essential kits in the Cart, I'm very close to $200. It sure feels like SA shopping experience. I honestly don't know splitting off numpad will hasten us there, but really don't want that to happen.
We collectively buy far more sets each year, but the price keeps going up. On top of that get less coverage? I don't think so.
Exactly - the folks who need ISO/numpad support pay for it, rather than everyone in the entire buy subsidizing the additional cost for caps they will never use.
ISO needs 4 keys. That's 2.5 USD.
ISO needs 4 keys. That's 2.5 USD.
I appreciate the discussion, but there's a lot of speculation when it comes to pricing and such, so it feels rather pointless to draw it out over another 2 more pages. Personally, I am not a big fan of splitting off the Numpad for this buy. But I will base my final decision on this matter not on feelings, but on data. I intend to do the following:
#1 Analyze sales data of previous drops to determine the average use of Numpads (e.g. SA Oblivion had a ratio of about 1 Numpad per 3 Alphas kit sold, so 33% in this case, I will of course take multiple drops into account for this)
#2 Have pricing calculated for both Base Kit including Numpad, and Base Kit excluding Numpad and a separate Numpad kit
I will then see how much of a difference it actually makes in pricing to remove it, and compare with #1 to see if such a split makes sense.
This will take some time, the drop is still at least a few months off so I wouldn't expect a decision on this in the next week or so, though I do intend to have the first round of pricing done way ahead of the drop so I can adjust things still. Yanbo has to prioritize next months drop of course so this is not something he will jump on immediately.
That is all for now on this matter from me. Thank you for everyone's enthusiasm. :thumb:
Exactly - the folks who need ISO/numpad support pay for it, rather than everyone in the entire buy subsidizing the additional cost for caps they will never use.
ISO needs 4 keys. That's 2.5 USD.
Exactly - the folks who need ISO/numpad support pay for it, rather than everyone in the entire buy subsidizing the additional cost for caps they will never use.
ISO needs 4 keys. That's 2.5 USD.
Let's use Jamon as the example.
391 base kits, with only 16 ISO kits.
If we're presuming ISO adds $2.5 to a base kits, that's $977.50. Only 16 people use those, so maybe those should pay the cost of $61.09 each for everyone to have ISO.
I'd say that's fair :thumb:
Exactly - the folks who need ISO/numpad support pay for it, rather than everyone in the entire buy subsidizing the additional cost for caps they will never use.
ISO needs 4 keys. That's 2.5 USD.
Let's use Jamon as the example.
391 base kits, with only 16 ISO kits.
If we're presuming ISO adds $2.5 to a base kits, that's $977.50. Only 16 people use those, so maybe those should pay the cost of $61.09 each for everyone to have ISO.
I'd say that's fair :thumb:
Exactly - the folks who need ISO/numpad support pay for it, rather than everyone in the entire buy subsidizing the additional cost for caps they will never use.
ISO needs 4 keys. That's 2.5 USD.
Let's use Jamon as the example.
391 base kits, with only 16 ISO kits.
If we're presuming ISO adds $2.5 to a base kits, that's $977.50. Only 16 people use those, so maybe those should pay the cost of $61.09 each for everyone to have ISO.
I'd say that's fair :thumb:
ISO n NorDeUK support is already in a separate kit no? No biggie :)
Comparing to Jamon is a little tough on the rest of the ISO users.. Jamon has a fairly distinguish color scheme and the ISO kit only support 1 country.
I am not sure if the debate is to have UK ISO in the base set. But for me I like the bigger ISO kit with NorDeUK support.
Exactly - the folks who need ISO/numpad support pay for it, rather than everyone in the entire buy subsidizing the additional cost for caps they will never use.
ISO needs 4 keys. That's 2.5 USD.
Let's use Jamon as the example.
391 base kits, with only 16 ISO kits.
If we're presuming ISO adds $2.5 to a base kits, that's $977.50. Only 16 people use those, so maybe those should pay the cost of $61.09 each for everyone to have ISO.
I'd say that's fair :thumb:
ISO n NorDeUK support is already in a separate kit no? No biggie :)
Comparing to Jamon is a little tough on the rest of the ISO users.. Jamon has a fairly distinguish color scheme and the ISO kit only support 1 country.
I am not sure if the debate is to have UK ISO in the base set. But for me I like the bigger ISO kit with NorDeUK support.
GMKs point was that ISO compatibility is low cost and should be in the base kit.
Jamon was used only for approximate numbers of non-ISO vs ISO users.
Exactly - the folks who need ISO/numpad support pay for it, rather than everyone in the entire buy subsidizing the additional cost for caps they will never use.
ISO needs 4 keys. That's 2.5 USD.
Let's use Jamon as the example.
391 base kits, with only 16 ISO kits.
If we're presuming ISO adds $2.5 to a base kits, that's $977.50. Only 16 people use those, so maybe those should pay the cost of $61.09 each for everyone to have ISO.
I'd say that's fair :thumb:
Not every GB is an ALF GB.
Exactly - the folks who need ISO/numpad support pay for it, rather than everyone in the entire buy subsidizing the additional cost for caps they will never use.
Too tired to understand if it was a sarcastic reply to the nosense commment by ninjacore.
To you ninjaduder:
I don't use 40% of the keys, so let everyone else pay for it right?
Who needs the 6u anyway?
Who needs 1489 stepped caps lock keys?
Who needs many other keys?
Let's remove all these minority keys since the majority doesn't use these, let's put all these keys in the same kit which will be called "The Minority Fair Kit", priced $785.
Also Jamon is on Massdrop, ofc ISO kits bought are even less than ISO folks
For people comparing the numpad of the Jamon kit, stop doing it, it's a bad example, Numpad is usually 1/3 of the alphas and x3/x7 of the 40%+plank kit joined, while on jamon "Forties and Split" has the same numbers of the numpad.
Smol update. I'm ignoring the Numpad situation for now, this kit update is with the assumption that I'm keeping it in the base. Regular modifiers are back, Monochrome Base kicked and instead we have Monochrome Modifiers like in V1. Mod kits and Hagoromo alphas can be bought to fill 60%/HHKB, and since someone will be asking: I will not add nav keys&arrows to add 65% to that list. Git Base + 1 Mod Kit + Hagoromo Alphas seem like a great deal to fill a TKL and a 65% for example.
The NorDeUK kit has not been updated yet, regular mods would need to be added to it to stay in its current form, but I'm working out what coverage that kit should end up having first so I don't want to bother updating it right now.
I've updated the first post, but you can check the important kits here:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/OdPWXng.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ceaCVkq.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9itokRy.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/tWPwiRc.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/CuXzNPg.png)
Regular modifiers are backDefinitely in now
That is all, now please tell me,Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/iL9nJoF.png)
I'm a bit disappointed to see the monochrome base go, personally. I'll be on the fence come GB time, as this will likely increase my intended order cost too much for me.
Smol update. I'm ignoring the Numpad situation for now, this kit update is with the assumption that I'm keeping it in the base. Regular modifiers are back, Monochrome Base kicked and instead we have Monochrome Modifiers like in V1. Mod kits and Hagoromo alphas can be bought to fill 60%/HHKB, and since someone will be asking: I will not add nav keys&arrows to add 65% to that list. Git Base + 1 Mod Kit + Hagoromo Alphas seem like a great deal to fill a TKL and a 65% for example.
The NorDeUK kit has not been updated yet, regular mods would need to be added to it to stay in its current form, but I'm working out what coverage that kit should end up having first so I don't want to bother updating it right now.
I've updated the first post, but you can check the important kits here:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/OdPWXng.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ceaCVkq.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9itokRy.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/tWPwiRc.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/CuXzNPg.png)
Smol update.
Smol update. I'm ignoring the Numpad situation for now, this kit update is with the assumption that I'm keeping it in the base. Regular modifiers are back, Monochrome Base kicked and instead we have Monochrome Modifiers like in V1. Mod kits and Hagoromo alphas can be bought to fill 60%/HHKB, and since someone will be asking: I will not add nav keys&arrows to add 65% to that list. Git Base + 1 Mod Kit + Hagoromo Alphas seem like a great deal to fill a TKL and a 65% for example.
The NorDeUK kit has not been updated yet, regular mods would need to be added to it to stay in its current form, but I'm working out what coverage that kit should end up having first so I don't want to bother updating it right now.
I've updated the first post, but you can check the important kits here:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/OdPWXng.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ceaCVkq.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9itokRy.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/tWPwiRc.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/CuXzNPg.png)
Really nice update!
I agree on all the kits and i think you made the best choices to make happy the majority of people, hopefully there will not be a fight for the Hagoromo alphas now.
Thanks for ignoring the numpad kit split meme for now, would be cool if you keep the kits exactly this way, these are just perfect, good job Oblotzky :thumb:
Really liking the update - did you mean that Base + 1 Mod kit + 1 hagomoro alphas can fill TKL and 60?
I’m confused.
Really liking the update - did you mean that Base + 1 Mod kit + 1 hagomoro alphas can fill TKL and 60?
I’m confused.
A base kit can fill any TKL, 60, 65%, etc. He means if you wanted a different set of mods and/or the hagoromo alphas but are missing the arrows from base.
From Oblotzky:
“Git Base + 1 Mod Kit + Hagoromo Alphas seem like a great deal to fill a TKL and a 65% for example.”
I follow his logic, and yours, I just think there’s a typo.
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Is the hagoromo alpha close to WS2 in GMK color or is it a custom white color? Maybe this has been asked and answered before but I can't seem to find it. If it was addressed before, maybe someone can provide a link? Thank you!
+1 on the update. 100% in on Regular mods + Hagoromo :thumb:1+ here too.
Git Base + 1 Mod Kit + Hagoromo Alphas seem like a great deal to fill a TKL and a 65% for example.
Mod kits and Hagoromo alphas can be bought to fill 60%/HHKB, and since someone will be asking: I will not add nav keys&arrows to add 65% to that list.
Smol update. Mainly, I removed the red accents from Monochrome Base Kit. They were overlapping with GMK Honeywell too much.
I will continue keeping this updated and improved upon.
Smol update. Mainly, I removed the red accents from Monochrome Base Kit. They were overlapping with GMK Honeywell too much.
I will continue keeping this updated and improved upon.
Can you consider adding an alternative color to replace the red caps?
Smol update. Mainly, I removed the red accents from Monochrome Base Kit. They were overlapping with GMK Honeywell too much.
I will continue keeping this updated and improved upon.
Can you consider adding an alternative color to replace the red caps?
I am very happy with how the blue accents look with both gray and white alphas, so currently there are no plans for adding other accent colors.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/q5TiPLE.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/GuTm6OP.png)
The blue from the monochrome kit is the same blue with space cadet correct?
Is the hagoromo alpha close to WS2 in GMK color or is it a custom white color? Maybe this has been asked and answered before but I can't seem to find it. If it was addressed before, maybe someone can provide a link? Thank you!
Hagoromo Alphas are CP, a stock color.
Welp, hate to be that guy. :-X
No matter the outcome, I applaud your willingness to listening to feedback. The addition of the Colored Regular Mods in particular is fantastic, but please include a set of arrows and basic nav keys to make Colored Regular Mod Kit + Hagoromo Alphas viable on a 65%.
Having to buy an entire Base Kit just for a set of arrow/nav keys is less than ideal.
Entertaining the idea, would said set of arrows also need to be included on the monochrome mods for people that want those with hagoromo? It would add to the cost of anyone that just wants a base kit with either of the other mod kits, since they need to purchase a kit that has an extra set of arrows now too. Maybe there can be a separate text arrows kit?
Cant wait so long, any possibility of moving up the drop date? GMK Wavez is no longer on MD, this should open up the calendar.
Cant wait so long, any possibility of moving up the drop date? GMK Wavez is no longer on MD, this should open up the calendar.
Heard there’s already replacement for GMK Wavez slot at MD.
Cant wait so long, any possibility of moving up the drop date? GMK Wavez is no longer on MD, this should open up the calendar.
Heard there’s already replacement for GMK Wavez slot at MD.
Now now, share the candy. You cant say something like this and not give details :p
I would gladly purchase a set , when can I expect to be able to purchase these?
When does it start? GB
i’m Ready ;D
I think if enough member bring it up, git mods can be a separrate kit and base comes with original mods (coloured legends). IF Oblotzky feels like it, as he mentioned in his initial posts that this is not a R2 but a V2, with different vision than to just repeat of R1.
Colevrak and NorDeUK: I don't want to really. ... I will talk with GMK and Yanbo, and possibly offer these kits with an MOQ of 50, and if by the time the drop is halfway over and these kits not having hit at least 75% MOQ, I'll probably just cancel them then and there already.
I think if enough member bring it up, git mods can be a separrate kit and base comes with original mods (coloured legends). IF Oblotzky feels like it, as he mentioned in his initial posts that this is not a R2 but a V2, with different vision than to just repeat of R1.
Many people don't know where "Git" inspired from, "Git" is related to programmer/developer, and i think this is what he wanted to express at the beginning of this keyset design as i am pretty sure Oblotzky is a programmer/developer. Anyway, i am 100% thumb up on having Git mod as base kit.
I get the feeling GMK Laser was the last time i am ever going to get a GMK Colemak kit, but something is seriously wrong with me to spend so much money on that small kit when i can touch type Colemak and I usually dual-layout my keyboards if I do need to hunt and peck my keys (for passwords etc).
This is really tight.
We always end up looking like the *******s for wanting the kit; nobody has ever done offered it with smile (maybe mito is the exception). And when it has been produced well below MOQ everyone has been salty about it . I've just about given up hope.I get the feeling GMK Laser was the last time i am ever going to get a GMK Colemak kit, but something is seriously wrong with me to spend so much money on that small kit when i can touch type Colemak and I usually dual-layout my keyboards if I do need to hunt and peck my keys (for passwords etc).
This is really tight.
It does seem that even the big sets (not singling out Oblivion here) are on the fence with Colevrak kits lately, if not just ignoring them entirely. Which is fine, its their sets, but given they always get made anyway, I'm not sure what the big deal is about including them...?
I like that MT3 drops seem to have a big Colevrak kit (with support for a bunch of other layouts too) as standard now.
Don't know if anyone else has mentioned this, but I really dislike the fact that the Harogomo Cadet set isn't a full alpha set. It is somewhat understandable for Oblivion Cadet to be just the letters without the number row since you'd have to pair it with the base kit anyway, but Harogomo Cadet doesn't pair with the base kit -- if anyone wants a Harogomo Cadet board, they will have to buy Harogomo Alphas plus Harogomo Cadet plus either the base kit or a kit of mods.
I totally get where you are coming from in making the Cadet kits kind of like a set of "novelties", I just think in the case of Harogomo it doesn't work right (unless there was a second base kit for Harogomo).
I would gladly purchase a set , when can I expect to be able to purchase these?
Read the very first page of the IC. Massdrop end of Q2 2019.
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The way that these kits are now, if I want the base kit as it was the first round with monochrome mods I have to buy a git base kit, the regular modifiers and then I need to toss in the monochrome mods as well.
I know these are constantly changing, but you just lost any sort of interest I had in purchasing as I'm not buying three kits to get the set I would like to have.
Any way I change the kits, there will always be a person that has to buy an unreasonable amount of kits to get exactly what they want, but it's just not feasible. People that want both regular and monochrome mods with just a single set of alphas are simply too rare. I have to consider what is the best structure for most people, not a very few. Sorry if that means a pass from you.
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The way that these kits are now, if I want the base kit as it was the first round with monochrome mods I have to buy a git base kit, the regular modifiers and then I need to toss in the monochrome mods as well.
I know these are constantly changing, but you just lost any sort of interest I had in purchasing as I'm not buying three kits to get the set I would like to have.
Any way I change the kits, there will always be a person that has to buy an unreasonable amount of kits to get exactly what they want, but it's just not feasible. People that want both regular and monochrome mods with just a single set of alphas are simply too rare. I have to consider what is the best structure for most people, not a very few. Sorry if that means a pass from you.
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The way that these kits are now, if I want the base kit as it was the first round with monochrome mods I have to buy a git base kit, the regular modifiers and then I need to toss in the monochrome mods as well.
I know these are constantly changing, but you just lost any sort of interest I had in purchasing as I'm not buying three kits to get the set I would like to have.
Any way I change the kits, there will always be a person that has to buy an unreasonable amount of kits to get exactly what they want, but it's just not feasible. People that want both regular and monochrome mods with just a single set of alphas are simply too rare. I have to consider what is the best structure for most people, not a very few. Sorry if that means a pass from you.
Thank you Oblotzky for sticking by the decision to have git mods remain in the base kit for the majority average users. The majority satisfied ones are often silent. :thumb:
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The way that these kits are now, if I want the base kit as it was the first round with monochrome mods I have to buy a git base kit, the regular modifiers and then I need to toss in the monochrome mods as well.
I know these are constantly changing, but you just lost any sort of interest I had in purchasing as I'm not buying three kits to get the set I would like to have.
Any way I change the kits, there will always be a person that has to buy an unreasonable amount of kits to get exactly what they want, but it's just not feasible. People that want both regular and monochrome mods with just a single set of alphas are simply too rare. I have to consider what is the best structure for most people, not a very few. Sorry if that means a pass from you.
Any way I change the kits, there will always be a person that has to buy an unreasonable amount of kits to get exactly what they want, but it's just not feasible. People that want both regular and monochrome mods with just a single set of alphas are simply too rare. I have to consider what is the best structure for most people, not a very few. Sorry if that means a pass from you.
Out of curiosity:
Why aren’t the GMK keycap kits more granular? E.g. alphas kit + mods kit + novelties + numpad kit, etc.
That way everyone could just get a set they like. Any particular reason why this isn’t done like the popular DSA/XDA kits?
I really wish I could just offer the kits split up into a more modular system like how it is done with SA/DSA buys, but that's unfortunately not how GMK operates. For GMK Oblivion R1 I initially wanted to do the same (regular mods, monochrome mods, gray alphas and white alphas) but buying one mods + one alphas would have cost 160$, while as single base kits we were able to offer it for 135$.
Agreed, as a programmer I use git and love it as much as the next guy. But, it's just cheesy to have the commands as your keyboard's legends. Those mods should be novelties, and not be forced on everyone as the base kit.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/suF04h3.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9itokRy.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/tWPwiRc.png)
The way that these kits are now, if I want the base kit as it was the first round with monochrome mods I have to buy a git base kit, the regular modifiers and then I need to toss in the monochrome mods as well.
I know these are constantly changing, but you just lost any sort of interest I had in purchasing as I'm not buying three kits to get the set I would like to have.
Any way I change the kits, there will always be a person that has to buy an unreasonable amount of kits to get exactly what they want, but it's just not feasible. People that want both regular and monochrome mods with just a single set of alphas are simply too rare. I have to consider what is the best structure for most people, not a very few. Sorry if that means a pass from you.
I'm guessing the decision to include the git mods as part of the base kit was because you're pretty sure they likely won't hit MOQ as a separate kit. Considering the best structure for most keyboard enthusiasts, they probably have no idea what git is let alone even use it. I use git every day, but it doesn't mean the git cli commands on modifiers are useful. Sure they look great, but what purpose do they serve? I have to specifically reprogram a layer on my firmware to be able to actually use them or string together some macros. I can just use the .bashrc alias instead, which kind of makes the git modifiers pointless.
My assumption is the vocal majority would want the base kit with the colored mods and monochrome / git mods separate just like v1, but apparently the current replies say otherwise.
Sorry if this comes off harsh or too critical, just throwing my opinion out there.
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The way that these kits are now, if I want the base kit as it was the first round with monochrome mods I have to buy a git base kit, the regular modifiers and then I need to toss in the monochrome mods as well.
I know these are constantly changing, but you just lost any sort of interest I had in purchasing as I'm not buying three kits to get the set I would like to have.
Any way I change the kits, there will always be a person that has to buy an unreasonable amount of kits to get exactly what they want, but it's just not feasible. People that want both regular and monochrome mods with just a single set of alphas are simply too rare. I have to consider what is the best structure for most people, not a very few. Sorry if that means a pass from you.
I'm guessing the decision to include the git mods as part of the base kit was because you're pretty sure they likely won't hit MOQ as a separate kit. Considering the best structure for most keyboard enthusiasts, they probably have no idea what git is let alone even use it. I use git every day, but it doesn't mean the git cli commands on modifiers are useful. Sure they look great, but what purpose do they serve? I have to specifically reprogram a layer on my firmware to be able to actually use them or string together some macros. I can just use the .bashrc alias instead, which kind of makes the git modifiers pointless.
My assumption is the vocal majority would want the base kit with the colored mods and monochrome / git mods separate just like v1, but apparently the current replies say otherwise.
Sorry if this comes off harsh or too critical, just throwing my opinion out there.
And I'd guess if there was a poll somewhere, most buyers would just prefer regular mods.
I'm relatively new to the community, and this is the first time I've participated in an IC. Oblivion is exactly the aesthetic I'm going for; I'd buy a V1 set but they're hard to come by and people want a ton for them. I've read the entire thread to try and understand the different factors involved in a GB like this.
My goal is to have an Oblivion set very much like V1 -- with the colored normal (non-git) mods. I know Git, but don't really want it all over my keyboard. Seems like there are a lot of people in the thread who feel this way. The colorway is fantastic though.
So I realize I'll probably have to buy the base kit + the normal modifiers set, given the current design. That's OK I suppose, because it seems like there's plenty of people with V1 that just want the Git mods. I'll sell mine to you!
Any way I change the kits, there will always be a person that has to buy an unreasonable amount of kits to get exactly what they want, but it's just not feasible. People that want both regular and monochrome mods with just a single set of alphas are simply too rare. I have to consider what is the best structure for most people, not a very few. Sorry if that means a pass from you.
Out of curiosity:
Why aren’t the GMK keycap kits more granular? E.g. alphas kit + mods kit + novelties + numpad kit, etc.
That way everyone could just get a set they like. Any particular reason why this isn’t done like the popular DSA/XDA kits?
Easiest to quote myself from earlier in the thread:I really wish I could just offer the kits split up into a more modular system like how it is done with SA/DSA buys, but that's unfortunately not how GMK operates. For GMK Oblivion R1 I initially wanted to do the same (regular mods, monochrome mods, gray alphas and white alphas) but buying one mods + one alphas would have cost 160$, while as single base kits we were able to offer it for 135$.
While for Signature Plastics sets the total price only increases by a few bucks with each split, it's quite a lot more for GMK.
I know Colevrak is a maybe at this point, but could you consider adding mod DH support please - the latest mt3 kit has the necessary keys - it's only a few more.
It's always cited as something that'll be hard to hit MOQ, but this might just be the most popular GMK set we've had in a while, if not now, then when?
I'd buy at least 2 sets if it's offered.
I don't see it as wise to add a niche on what is already a niche of a niche.
Thank you Oblotzky for sticking by the decision to have git mods remain in the base kit for the majority average users. The majority satisfied ones are often silent. :thumb:
+1 Git mods are awesome and repeating v1 is boring.
I'm pretty sure other people have brought this up too, but theres two main points that I saw against yours. First is that the people who do want git modifiers are not saying anything most likely because they are satisfied with the status quo. Second, I believe Oblotzky said somewhere that the point of this run is not to be the same as the first one hence v2. Hence the difference.
Thank you Oblotzky for sticking by the decision to have git mods remain in the base kit for the majority average users. The majority satisfied ones are often silent. :thumb:+1 Git mods are awesome and repeating v1 is boring.I'm pretty sure other people have brought this up too, but theres two main points that I saw against yours. First is that the people who do want git modifiers are not saying anything most likely because they are satisfied with the status quo. Second, I believe Oblotzky said somewhere that the point of this run is not to be the same as the first one hence v2. Hence the difference.
Very much this. I think how the kits are laid out right now is a great middle ground that will satisfy the highest number of people. I wouldn't even call it a compromise — it's just good. Good job, Oblotzky.
That being said, I still have suggestions / am wondering about two keys in the base kit:
- R1 Lock (Scroll Lock) – Consider using Scroll instead?
- R3 Code – Is this key intended to cover anything other than the extra key on Uniqey C70?
i smell something interesting:
GMK Bento include everything in one kit (base, ISO, numpad, novelties), the price is $150
GMK Jamon split everything (base, ISO, numpad, novelties), to combine them all, the total price is $197
i am now vote on keeping numpad in base kit, i dont think the price will drop much if we split numpad.
How much would a base kit and a regular modifiers cost?
i smell something interesting:
GMK Bento include everything in one kit (base, ISO, numpad, novelties), the price is $150
GMK Jamon split everything (base, ISO, numpad, novelties), to combine them all, the total price is $197
i am now vote on keeping numpad in base kit, i dont think the price will drop much if we split numpad.
I think comparing the totals for all the kits misses the point. Only a minority of people are going to buy them all and for that minority, yes the price is higher when kits are split out.
For the majority, who only need the base kit, then prices are:
Bento - $150 (you don't have an option for only base)
Jamon - $100
I can't remember if it was this thread or another one where I commented something along these same lines, but again, I honestly don't care. Put extra kits in with the base, take them out - whatever. When suggestions are presented in these threads, though, it's important to not just present data that seems to support your side - keep all pricing scenarios in perspective.
Majority of Jamon buyers went w/ base and jamonelties... that's total of ~$135-$140
This is based on assumption that jamonelties buyers would also pick up base. it would be good to know, after it's over, how many buyers bought base only though.
Majority of Jamon buyers went w/ base and jamonelties... that's total of ~$135-$140
This is based on assumption that jamonelties buyers would also pick up base. it would be good to know, after it's over, how many buyers bought base only though.
Doesn't MD show the final tally of how many bought each set?
Majority of Jamon buyers went w/ base and jamonelties... that's total of ~$135-$140
This is based on assumption that jamonelties buyers would also pick up base. it would be good to know, after it's over, how many buyers bought base only though.
Doesn't MD show the final tally of how many bought each set?
Final numbers do typically come out, but I don't know if they're grouped like that (showing how many users bought 2+ sets and which sets those were). It would certainly be useful information to plan out future kits.
i smell something interesting:
GMK Bento include everything in one kit (base, ISO, numpad, novelties), the price is $150
GMK Jamon split everything (base, ISO, numpad, novelties), to combine them all, the total price is $197
i am now vote on keeping numpad in base kit, i dont think the price will drop much if we split numpad.
I'm absolutely against splitting off the numpad. I think the idea of a GMK base kit having 30+ extra compatibility keys but not even covering a standard ANSI 104 board is just bizarre and backwards.
Other than that issue, I just want to express my support for this set. I love SA Oblivion and can't want to get a matching GMK set; I'll probably buy both the base kit and Assembly kit to cover my Prime_L.. Depending on how the final kits shake out, I may even consider selling my GMK Space Cadet to get the Hagoromo and/or Space Cadet kits. :D
That being said, I still have suggestions / am wondering about two keys in the base kit:
- R1 Lock (Scroll Lock) – Consider using Scroll instead?
- R3 Code – Is this key intended to cover anything other than the extra key on Uniqey C70?
Just my 2c, but it also serves as a catch all key for 65/70 keyboards that might not want an incorrect legend on that key.
Petition to change "regular modifier" kit into Icon modifier kit! :cool:
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I'm absolutely against splitting off the numpad. I think the idea of a GMK base kit having 30+ extra compatibility keys but not even covering a standard ANSI 104 board is just bizarre and backwards.
Other than that issue, I just want to express my support for this set. I love SA Oblivion and can't want to get a matching GMK set; I'll probably buy both the base kit and Assembly kit to cover my Prime_L.. Depending on how the final kits shake out, I may even consider selling my GMK Space Cadet to get the Hagoromo and/or Space Cadet kits. :D
It's 2019 baby the hobbies evolved. More people have boards without numpads than do now, by a significant enough margin that catering to those people is at least a consideration. Yeah it sucks if you're a numpad user you gotta pay more but it's not any more noble of a payment than people right now who buy GMK base kits and never use their current numpads. There's nothing backwards about it at all.
It's 2019 baby the hobbies evolved. More people have boards without numpads than do now, by a significant enough margin that catering to those people is at least a consideration. Yeah it sucks if you're a numpad user you gotta pay more but it's not any more noble of a payment than people right now who buy GMK base kits and never use their current numpads. There's nothing backwards about it at all.as expected ace is wrong yet again
Sure so GMK will be the next SA.
GMK Oblivion R2 has surpassed my expectations - this set is exciting! I'm in for an Assembly/ErgoPlanck set, maybe Colevrak if it happens, and the Cadet alpha kits are exciting too. Those last two kits are incompatible & I lament missing out on 2018's GMK Space Cadet when all these kits worked together.
How is what he posted wrong?It's 2019 baby the hobbies evolved. More people have boards without numpads than do now, by a significant enough margin that catering to those people is at least a consideration. Yeah it sucks if you're a numpad user you gotta pay more but it's not any more noble of a payment than people right now who buy GMK base kits and never use their current numpads. There's nothing backwards about it at all.as expected ace is wrong yet again
It's 2019 baby the hobbies evolved. More people have boards without numpads than do now, by a significant enough margin that catering to those people is at least a consideration. Yeah it sucks if you're a numpad user you gotta pay more but it's not any more noble of a payment than people right now who buy GMK base kits and never use their current numpads. There's nothing backwards about it at all.as expected ace is wrong yet again
Just check on SA Oblivion how numpad and specialty kits performed against each other.
You guys seem to be forgetting that this set will be sold on Massdrop, not via a Google form in a Geekhack thread where indeed 95% of people entering don’t have a numpad. Just check on SA Oblivion how numpad and specialty kits performed against each other.
You guys seem to be forgetting that this set will be sold on Massdrop, not via a Google form in a Geekhack thread where indeed 95% of people entering don’t have a numpad. Just check on SA Oblivion how numpad and specialty kits performed against each other.
You guys seem to be forgetting that this set will be sold on Massdrop, not via a Google form in a Geekhack thread where indeed 95% of people entering don’t have a numpad. Just check on SA Oblivion how numpad and specialty kits performed against each other.
You guys seem to be forgetting that this set will be sold on Massdrop, not via a Google form in a Geekhack thread where indeed 95% of people entering don’t have a numpad. Just check on SA Oblivion how numpad and specialty kits performed against each other.
Why did so many who bought Jámon not opt for a numpad since it was sold on Massdrop?
Maybe a poll should be setup either here or on Massdrop to help clear up the confusion.
You guys seem to be forgetting that this set will be sold on Massdrop, not via a Google form in a Geekhack thread where indeed 95% of people entering don’t have a numpad. Just check on SA Oblivion how numpad and specialty kits performed against each other.
Why did so many who bought Jámon not opt for a numpad since it was sold on Massdrop?
Maybe a poll should be setup either here or on Massdrop to help clear up the confusion.
What's the MOQ of GMK Minimal and what was the MOQ of GMK Calm Depths? Also, did those sets have the same vendors and designers? I don't think you can make an apples to apples comparison between the two.
30% (250/846) bought a Jamon numpad.
36% (570/1590) bought either a SA Hagoromo or Oblivion numpad.
Both were $30 at the quantities reached. If Jamon's numbers were split into a Hagoromo and an Oblivion numpad that didn't reach 150 orders, that would be $38 per numpad kit. GMK Oblivion with a numpad will be, what, $115-135 after drops? With a split numpad this goes up to the $140-150 range for numpad buyers. Will this price difference affect the average buyer on massdrop?
30% (250/846) bought a Jamon numpad.
36% (570/1590) bought either a SA Hagoromo or Oblivion numpad.
Both were $30 at the quantities reached. If Jamon's numbers were split into a Hagoromo and an Oblivion numpad that didn't reach 150 orders, that would be $38 per numpad kit. GMK Oblivion with a numpad will be, what, $115-135 after drops? With a split numpad this goes up to the $140-150 range for numpad buyers. Will this price difference affect the average buyer on massdrop?
Apart that you are forgetting the ISO which is included in the base kit, sure increasing price to numpad users would affect the drop.
GMK Carbon could be a clear example, introducing r0-r5 and making it more expensive was clearly a bad idea, even the most hyped keyset failed at that price, and that price is what who picks up a splitted base+numpad +iso has to pay (the current base set)
I dont think we need to be too worried as this will be on MD.
30% (250/846) bought a Jamon numpad.
36% (570/1590) bought either a SA Hagoromo or Oblivion numpad.
Both were $30 at the quantities reached. If Jamon's numbers were split into a Hagoromo and an Oblivion numpad that didn't reach 150 orders, that would be $38 per numpad kit. GMK Oblivion with a numpad will be, what, $115-135 after drops? With a split numpad this goes up to the $140-150 range for numpad buyers. Will this price difference affect the average buyer on massdrop?
30% (250/846) bought a Jamon numpad.
36% (570/1590) bought either a SA Hagoromo or Oblivion numpad.
Both were $30 at the quantities reached. If Jamon's numbers were split into a Hagoromo and an Oblivion numpad that didn't reach 150 orders, that would be $38 per numpad kit. GMK Oblivion with a numpad will be, what, $115-135 after drops? With a split numpad this goes up to the $140-150 range for numpad buyers. Will this price difference affect the average buyer on massdrop?
Apart that you are forgetting the ISO which is included in the base kit, sure increasing price to numpad users would affect the drop.
GMK Carbon could be a clear example, introducing r0-r5 and making it more expensive was clearly a bad idea, even the most hyped keyset failed at that price, and that price is what who picks up a splitted base+numpad +iso has to pay (the current base set)
32% (501/1590) bought one of the Extension kits on SA Oblivion.
Yes, lower than 36% for Numpad kits.
If we apply the blind popularity/economics rule, we should be splitting off Extension kits first. Doh!
I'd guess that would face vocal opposition especially in this forum. It would show this forum doesn't represent the buyers overall.
Saving a few bucks shouldn't drive decision making here. 30%+ is very high number and is fully inline with the spirit of broad coverage for GMK base sets. We all benefited from the GMK base set broad coverage and pricing. Plus, we have a nice situation of being able to compare bundle (GMK) and a la carte (SP) pricing. Why start to unravel that?
huh? Don't think thats how gmk moq works. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but what I've seen is standard gmk colors = 150moq, custom colours = 250moq. More keys only affect the price not the moq.
If extra set of arrows were included in the core set, it might encourage users to also get reg mods + hagoromo to make a complete 2nd set... likewise for those who are interested in the reg mods + hagoromo look, to get the core kit and make 2 complete sets. (Complete sets are not waste of money, partial sets are.) Sure this would drive the cost of the core kit (by 4 extra keys) to those who don't intend on getting mods+hagoromo, but it's only 4 keys... Obviously adding arrows to standalone kit, or part of the mod kits would also be welcoming alternatives for many.
You're right... when paired w/ core, it would help complete 65/75%
Let's just split off the numpad and put it with the minivan compatibility kit and the 4th 'b' key.
Looking at Numpad kit take rates in these Massdrop sets, it benefits the majority to offer Numpad as a separate kit.
(http://i.imgur.com/5Nzsq27.png) (https://imgur.com/5Nzsq27)
Looking at Numpad kit take rates in these Massdrop sets, it benefits the majority to offer Numpad as a separate kit.
(http://i.imgur.com/5Nzsq27.png) (https://imgur.com/5Nzsq27)
Looking at Numpad kit take rates in these Massdrop sets, one could argue it benefits the majority to offer Numpad as a separate kit. But as a 104 user, I'm all for including Numpad in Base.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5Nzsq27.png)
Looking at Numpad kit take rates in these Massdrop sets, one could argue it benefits the majority to offer Numpad as a separate kit. But as a 104 user, I'm all for including Numpad in Base.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5Nzsq27.png)
Looking at Numpad kit take rates in these Massdrop sets, one could argue it benefits the majority to offer Numpad as a separate kit. But as a 104 user, I'm all for including Numpad in Base.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5Nzsq27.png)
can't wait to get oblivion for non-rape prices
Looking at Numpad kit take rates in these Massdrop sets, one could argue it benefits the majority to offer Numpad as a separate kit. But as a 104 user, I'm all for including Numpad in Base.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5Nzsq27.png)
MoreNice graph! Love your work everywhere. :thumb:...it's just bunch of numbers without proper interpretation. :p
That said, you know
MoreBased on the graph, one could also argue that numpad pick rate is significantly higher for SA, which doesn't have stupidly high split kit prices like GMK. So it might actually hurt the majority because people that want numpad won't join to pay 40$ premium.It's just data, you can interpret it in myriad of ways ;-)
Looking at Numpad kit take rates in these Massdrop sets, one could argue it benefits the majority to offer Numpad as a separate kit. But as a 104 user, I'm all for including Numpad in Base.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5Nzsq27.png)MoreNice graph! Love your work everywhere. :thumb:...it's just bunch of numbers without proper interpretation. :p
That said, you knowMoreBased on the graph, one could also argue that numpad pick rate is significantly higher for SA, which doesn't have stupidly high split kit prices like GMK. So it might actually hurt the majority because people that want numpad won't join to pay 40$ premium.It's just data, you can interpret it in myriad of ways ;-)
I completely agree that interpretation is key. This graph is just my summary of data for one piece of the puzzle. I only hope it is helpful for those making or discussing future decisions. It's not nearly enough information for me to confidently declare what will always be best for everyone.
Other important factors are not addressed at all. For example, what are the cost differences between integrating and separating? For GMK the cost of a few large kits is significantly less than many small ones, but what are the exact ratios for each manufacturer? I have no idea.
Past performance doesn't predict future results. In general, separate appears to be the best choice with SP (SA and DSA profiles). But did it end up being the best choice for Danger Zone specifically? I don't know.
Also, deciding the cost tipping point for separate versus integrated is entirely subjective. Is it 30% increase for Numpad purchasers vs. 5% savings for Base-only? Or +10%/-10%? Any Base kit cost reduction is best for buyers that don't use Numpad. Conversely, lower Numpad kit cost is best for those who do. Why would an individual care what is best for anyone else?
TL;DR You're right. By itself, a graph summarizing historical data doesn't really say anything. But perhaps it helps some decide what to say for the future.
Sorry if its been brought up, but 15 pages is a lot to read through.
Any possible chance of swapping the GIT modifiers and regular modifiers in the base kit?
Would love to have regular modifiers on the base kit, then the other way around, having to buy the git base kit + regular modifiers.
Sorry if its been brought up, but 15 pages is a lot to read through.
Any possible chance of swapping the GIT modifiers and regular modifiers in the base kit?
Petition to change "regular modifier" kit into Icon modifier kit! :cool:Show Image(https://media.giphy.com/media/12XMGIWtrHBl5e/giphy.gif)
Sorry if its been brought up, but 15 pages is a lot to read through.
Any possible chance of swapping the GIT modifiers and regular modifiers in the base kit?
It was brought up on page 14. Here's Oblotzky's response:Petition to change "regular modifier" kit into Icon modifier kit! :cool:Show Image(https://media.giphy.com/media/12XMGIWtrHBl5e/giphy.gif)
That person was asking for something different, not swapping regular and Git mods like ItsAllen
That person was asking for something different, not swapping regular and Git mods like ItsAllen
Ah. Reading comprehension helps.
Sorry if its been brought up, but 15 pages is a lot to read through.
Any possible chance of swapping the GIT modifiers and regular modifiers in the base kit?
Would love to have regular modifiers on the base kit, then the other way around, having to buy the git base kit + regular modifiers.
Sorry if its been brought up, but 15 pages is a lot to read through.
Any possible chance of swapping the GIT modifiers and regular modifiers in the base kit?
Would love to have regular modifiers on the base kit, then the other way around, having to buy the git base kit + regular modifiers.
I feel the same way. Would rather standard modifiers in the base. I wouldn't be seen dead with the GIT modifiers on my keyboard, so as it stands I'm paying extra money for keys that I won't use.
I think they could manage on their own, but as previously stated, I want to do something different with this round instead of simply repeating the first one. MT3 Godspeed didn't have any regular mods at all and people didn't seem too upset about that either.And I'd guess if there was a poll somewhere, most buyers would just prefer regular mods.
SA Oblivion serves as that poll, 611 Regular vs 418 Git Modifiers. IMO that's a pretty high ratio for 'novelty' modifiers, so I feel confident in putting them straight into the base set for this run.
A suggestion, how about using hagormo alphas with git mods as base kit? Grey alphas can be alt set and rest as is? My personal opinion of course but I am sure it ll please SC participants but also others who think this set pops with hagormo alphas better than grey.
A suggestion, how about using hagormo alphas with git mods as base kit? Grey alphas can be alt set and rest as is? My personal opinion of course but I am sure it ll please SC participants but also others who think this set pops with hagormo alphas better than grey.
Hagoromo Alphas are for an alternative colorway, the primary one will stay untouched.
A suggestion, how about using hagormo alphas with git mods as base kit? Grey alphas can be alt set and rest as is? My personal opinion of course but I am sure it ll please SC participants but also others who think this set pops with hagormo alphas better than grey.
Hagoromo Alphas are for an alternative colorway, the primary one will stay untouched.
Thanks for confirmation, now this deabte can be put to rest (atleast in my mind). It appears that kits are pretty much decided, given some minor changes here and there.
Just wondering, if I go with orig mods only and hagoromo, will I be able to use rest of the mod set from Carbon? The grey appears to be very similar when looking at imges, besides orange legends. I am just trying to keep my cost down due to heavy spend in past few months. However if the colours are not similar then time to start pinching pennies for the kits, will have to go for base+reg mods+hagoromo+hagoromo cadet.
A suggestion, how about using hagormo alphas with git mods as base kit? Grey alphas can be alt set and rest as is? My personal opinion of course but I am sure it ll please SC participants but also others who think this set pops with hagormo alphas better than grey.
Hagoromo Alphas are for an alternative colorway, the primary one will stay untouched.
Thanks for confirmation, now this deabte can be put to rest (atleast in my mind). It appears that kits are pretty much decided, given some minor changes here and there.
Just wondering, if I go with orig mods only and hagoromo, will I be able to use rest of the mod set from Carbon? The grey appears to be very similar when looking at imges, besides orange legends. I am just trying to keep my cost down due to heavy spend in past few months. However if the colours are not similar then time to start pinching pennies for the kits, will have to go for base+reg mods+hagoromo+hagoromo cadet.
Both Oblivion and Carbon used GQM for their modifiers in the SA versions, and as such are using the exact same matched color from GMK for the Cherry versions.
I think they could manage on their own, but as previously stated, I want to do something different with this round instead of simply repeating the first one. MT3 Godspeed didn't have any regular mods at all and people didn't seem too upset about that either.And I'd guess if there was a poll somewhere, most buyers would just prefer regular mods.
SA Oblivion serves as that poll, 611 Regular vs 418 Git Modifiers. IMO that's a pretty high ratio for 'novelty' modifiers, so I feel confident in putting them straight into the base set for this run.
No R1 Delete in the Mod kits kinda kills it for me. I have to imagine that would be a much more useful key over Num lock, or replace the accent Esc key with R1 delete.
I'm also willing to bet that if there was a poll somewhere, most buyers would just prefer regular mods.
I'm also willing to bet that if there was a poll somewhere, most buyers would just prefer regular mods.
Disagree. GIT is a huge deal, for anyone who deals with code.
Besides we should respect designer's direction, especially when he has provided viable path for regular mod lovers.
I'm also willing to bet that if there was a poll somewhere, most buyers would just prefer regular mods.
I think they could manage on their own, but as previously stated, I want to do something different with this round instead of simply repeating the first one. MT3 Godspeed didn't have any regular mods at all and people didn't seem too upset about that either.And I'd guess if there was a poll somewhere, most buyers would just prefer regular mods.
SA Oblivion serves as that poll, 611 Regular vs 418 Git Modifiers. IMO that's a pretty high ratio for 'novelty' modifiers, so I feel confident in putting them straight into the base set for this run.
So why not actually put up a poll and see if your confidence is warranted? 200 modifier kits is a pretty big stretch when it comes to MOQ and there's a big difference between users of SA profile and Cherry profile when it comes to modifiers.
I'm also willing to bet that if there was a poll somewhere, most buyers would just prefer regular mods.
You seem to misunderstand the purpose of the modifier kits. They are not meant to offer layout support, they merely replace the Git keys in the base kit. The R1 Delete key you are looking for is available in that base kit already.
You seem to misunderstand the purpose of the modifier kits. They are not meant to offer layout support, they merely replace the Git keys in the base kit. The R1 Delete key you are looking for is available in that base kit already.
Apparently so. I don't get the point of even offering them (mod kits) a la carte then. I don't want to buy 2-4 kits to make 1, which by this thread is indicating that a lot of people feel the same way. The modifier kits are so close to offering full coverage it makes little sense to not include another cap, or replace a redundant one to finish the coverage. You don't seem to want criticism in this IC though, so why IC it? You knew it would hit MOQ anyways, this seems superfluous if you aren't open to critiques (not mine in particular, just in general it seems your vision takes priority over what people are actually asking for).
You seem to misunderstand the purpose of the modifier kits. They are not meant to offer layout support, they merely replace the Git keys in the base kit. The R1 Delete key you are looking for is available in that base kit already.
Apparently so. I don't get the point of even offering them (mod kits) a la carte then. I don't want to buy 2-4 kits to make 1, which by this thread is indicating that a lot of people feel the same way. The modifier kits are so close to offering full coverage it makes little sense to not include another cap, or replace a redundant one to finish the coverage. You don't seem to want criticism in this IC though, so why IC it? You knew it would hit MOQ anyways, this seems superfluous if you aren't open to critiques (not mine in particular, just in general it seems your vision takes priority over what people are actually asking for).
I'm also willing to bet that if there was a poll somewhere, most buyers would just prefer regular mods.
Disagree. GIT is a huge deal, for anyone who deals with code.
Besides we should respect designer's direction, especially when he has provided viable path for regular mod lovers.
You seem to misunderstand the purpose of the modifier kits. They are not meant to offer layout support, they merely replace the Git keys in the base kit. The R1 Delete key you are looking for is available in that base kit already.
You don't seem to want criticism in this IC though, so why IC it? You knew it would hit MOQ anyways, this seems superfluous if you aren't open to critiques (not mine in particular, just in general it seems your vision takes priority over what people are actually asking for).
You seem to misunderstand the purpose of the modifier kits. They are not meant to offer layout support, they merely replace the Git keys in the base kit. The R1 Delete key you are looking for is available in that base kit already.
You don't seem to want criticism in this IC though, so why IC it? You knew it would hit MOQ anyways, this seems superfluous if you aren't open to critiques (not mine in particular, just in general it seems your vision takes priority over what people are actually asking for).
I especially love everybody white-knighting every time the git mods are mentioned or asking for something to be added or changed. This isn't an interest check at all, it's just "here's some keycaps guise, you'll buy them whatever b'cause Oblivion!"
"Donchoo touch mah git mods! Hurmph!"
Hey Oblotzky, just a thought that I haven't noticed anybody mentioning:
Would a separate add-on kit consisting of just arrows and TKL nav keys be fiscally viable? You could even have fun playing around with colors and legends if that's something you wanted to do.
This is in response to the updated kit distribution. Honestly it probably would struggle to meet MOQ, but depending on price could be an option for those who want to cover a second TKL with the add-on kits.
You seem to misunderstand the purpose of the modifier kits. They are not meant to offer layout support, they merely replace the Git keys in the base kit. The R1 Delete key you are looking for is available in that base kit already.
You don't seem to want criticism in this IC though, so why IC it? You knew it would hit MOQ anyways, this seems superfluous if you aren't open to critiques (not mine in particular, just in general it seems your vision takes priority over what people are actually asking for).
I especially love everybody white-knighting every time the git mods are mentioned or asking for something to be added or changed. This isn't an interest check at all, it's just "here's some keycaps guise, you'll buy them whatever b'cause Oblivion!"
"Donchoo touch mah git mods! Hurmph!"
You seem to misunderstand the purpose of the modifier kits. They are not meant to offer layout support, they merely replace the Git keys in the base kit. The R1 Delete key you are looking for is available in that base kit already.
You don't seem to want criticism in this IC though, so why IC it? You knew it would hit MOQ anyways, this seems superfluous if you aren't open to critiques (not mine in particular, just in general it seems your vision takes priority over what people are actually asking for).
I especially love everybody white-knighting every time the git mods are mentioned or asking for something to be added or changed. This isn't an interest check at all, it's just "here's some keycaps guise, you'll buy them whatever b'cause Oblivion!"
"Donchoo touch mah git mods! Hurmph!"
It's almost as if you didn't read the multiple pages about people arguing with kits and pricing and oblotzky finally starting to change the kits. Git mods fit with the theme of the set, oblotzky even added the original text mods in a separate kit for people who wanted a rehash of R1. It just sounds like to me that you are salty and wanted a rehash of R1 instead of git mods which a lot of people like.You seem to misunderstand the purpose of the modifier kits. They are not meant to offer layout support, they merely replace the Git keys in the base kit. The R1 Delete key you are looking for is available in that base kit already.
You don't seem to want criticism in this IC though, so why IC it? You knew it would hit MOQ anyways, this seems superfluous if you aren't open to critiques (not mine in particular, just in general it seems your vision takes priority over what people are actually asking for).
I especially love everybody white-knighting every time the git mods are mentioned or asking for something to be added or changed. This isn't an interest check at all, it's just "here's some keycaps guise, you'll buy them whatever b'cause Oblivion!"
"Donchoo touch mah git mods! Hurmph!"
It's almost as if you didn't read the multiple pages about people arguing with kits and pricing and oblotzky finally starting to change the kits. Git mods fit with the theme of the set, oblotzky even added the original text mods in a separate kit for people who wanted a rehash of R1. It just sounds like to me that you are salty and wanted a rehash of R1 instead of git mods which a lot of people like.You seem to misunderstand the purpose of the modifier kits. They are not meant to offer layout support, they merely replace the Git keys in the base kit. The R1 Delete key you are looking for is available in that base kit already.
You don't seem to want criticism in this IC though, so why IC it? You knew it would hit MOQ anyways, this seems superfluous if you aren't open to critiques (not mine in particular, just in general it seems your vision takes priority over what people are actually asking for).
I especially love everybody white-knighting every time the git mods are mentioned or asking for something to be added or changed. This isn't an interest check at all, it's just "here's some keycaps guise, you'll buy them whatever b'cause Oblivion!"
"Donchoo touch mah git mods! Hurmph!"
It's almost as if you didn't read the multiple pages about people arguing with kits and pricing and oblotzky finally starting to change the kits. Git mods fit with the theme of the set, oblotzky even added the original text mods in a separate kit for people who wanted a rehash of R1. It just sounds like to me that you are salty and wanted a rehash of R1 instead of git mods which a lot of people like.You seem to misunderstand the purpose of the modifier kits. They are not meant to offer layout support, they merely replace the Git keys in the base kit. The R1 Delete key you are looking for is available in that base kit already.
You don't seem to want criticism in this IC though, so why IC it? You knew it would hit MOQ anyways, this seems superfluous if you aren't open to critiques (not mine in particular, just in general it seems your vision takes priority over what people are actually asking for).
I especially love everybody white-knighting every time the git mods are mentioned or asking for something to be added or changed. This isn't an interest check at all, it's just "here's some keycaps guise, you'll buy them whatever b'cause Oblivion!"
"Donchoo touch mah git mods! Hurmph!"
I am sure that was intended as a jest, don't take it seriously :)
Hey Oblotzky, just a thought that I haven't noticed anybody mentioning:
Would a separate add-on kit consisting of just arrows and TKL nav keys be fiscally viable? You could even have fun playing around with colors and legends if that's something you wanted to do.
This is in response to the updated kit distribution. Honestly it probably would struggle to meet MOQ, but depending on price could be an option for those who want to cover a second TKL with the add-on kits.
Yeah, "joking". Is it white-knighting if you actually want the git mods? You'll run into an almost 50/50 split in preference between git and regular every time. I think it's just the silent 50% voicing their desire to keep the git mods in the base.
Enjoy the fact that you only have to buy a base set and don't have to buy two other kits + because the git mods are completely useless to you.
Enjoy the fact that you only have to buy a base set and don't have to buy two other kits + because the git mods are completely useless to you.
Just throwing out that the git mods will be VERY sellable in the classies here or on mechmarket - likely for more than you'll pay for the regular mods kit.
Enjoy the fact that you only have to buy a base set and don't have to buy two other kits + because the git mods are completely useless to you.
Just throwing out that the git mods will be VERY sellable in the classies here or on mechmarket - likely for more than you'll pay for the regular mods kit.
I'm aware, not going to even bother purchasing these because of entry price and it's unfortunately on Massdrop.
Are the red modifies like the SA set a possibility on Monochrome? I like the blue, but not enough to buy the kit with just the blue. The red add-ons would make it so I'd have to get the monochrome kit, too.
Smol update. Mainly, I removed the red accents from Monochrome Base Kit. They were overlapping with GMK Honeywell too much.
Stop taking everything so serious all the time, it's just plastic and aluminum. If you want the git mods, they obviously aren't going anywhere so getting your panties in a bunch every time a change is brought up or defending the OP's decision to keep them isn't needed. Enjoy the fact that you only have to buy a base set and don't have to buy two other kits + because the git mods are completely useless to you.
I especially love everybody white-knighting every time the git mods are mentioned or asking for something to be added or changed. This isn't an interest check at all, it's just "here's some keycaps guise, you'll buy them whatever b'cause Oblivion!"
"Donchoo touch mah git mods! Hurmph!"
Stop taking everything so serious all the time, it's just plastic and aluminum. If you want the git mods, they obviously aren't going anywhere so getting your panties in a bunch every time a change is brought up or defending the OP's decision to keep them isn't needed. Enjoy the fact that you only have to buy a base set and don't have to buy two other kits + because the git mods are completely useless to you.I especially love everybody white-knighting every time the git mods are mentioned or asking for something to be added or changed. This isn't an interest check at all, it's just "here's some keycaps guise, you'll buy them whatever b'cause Oblivion!"
"Donchoo touch mah git mods! Hurmph!"
If my panties are bunching then you must be wearing a really irritating g-string that is crammed wayyyy up.
Hey Oblotzky, just a thought that I haven't noticed anybody mentioning:
Would a separate add-on kit consisting of just arrows and TKL nav keys be fiscally viable? You could even have fun playing around with colors and legends if that's something you wanted to do.
This is in response to the updated kit distribution. Honestly it probably would struggle to meet MOQ, but depending on price could be an option for those who want to cover a second TKL with the add-on kits.
Seconding this. I'm thinking about getting base + monochrome modifiers + hagoromo alphas, so I can have a full monochrome set, and make use of the colored git mods by combining them with hagoromo alphas. But I would be missing arrow keys (either white or gray or dark gray arrows would be fine).
Hey Oblotzky, just a thought that I haven't noticed anybody mentioning:
Would a separate add-on kit consisting of just arrows and TKL nav keys be fiscally viable? You could even have fun playing around with colors and legends if that's something you wanted to do.
This is in response to the updated kit distribution. Honestly it probably would struggle to meet MOQ, but depending on price could be an option for those who want to cover a second TKL with the add-on kits.
Seconding this. I'm thinking about getting base + monochrome modifiers + hagoromo alphas, so I can have a full monochrome set, and make use of the colored git mods by combining them with hagoromo alphas. But I would be missing arrow keys (either white or gray or dark gray arrows would be fine).
+1
If they wont be included in any of the already planned kits, at least give us a chance to fill several common layouts without having to buy an entire base kit just for arrows/nav keys.
For layout coverage, base + modifier + alphas is pretty generous already. e.g. full size + 65% is possible.
For layout coverage, base + modifier + alphas is pretty generous already. e.g. full size + 65% is possible.
Unfortunately not true.
Only 1 set of arrows/nav keys in all those kits.
For layout coverage, base + modifier + alphas is pretty generous already. e.g. full size + 65% is possible.
Unfortunately not true.
Only 1 set of arrows/nav keys in all those kits.
My bad meant to say 60%
ADD: idk if this helps. If alternate functions kit included text arrows I would buy it.
The base set includes extra 65% nav keys (not all of them).
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For layout coverage, base + modifier + alphas is pretty generous already. e.g. full size + 65% is possible.
Unfortunately not true.
Only 1 set of arrows/nav keys in all those kits.
My bad meant to say 60%
ADD: idk if this helps. If alternate functions kit included text arrows I would buy it.
The base set includes extra 65% nav keys (not all of them).
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Forgive me, I must be missing something... how is a 65% not covered in the base kit?
I Love this set, but I really want a 40s only kit. All my boards are 40%, but I want to get the cadet alphas, so the assembly is a lot of extra money for keys I won’t use. If there was 40% kit, I would be 100% buying this when it comes to GB.Splitting the assembly kit would mean deciding whether planck sticks with the ergo in the vein of various ergoplanck kits, or goes in the 40% kit. Also, when 40% kits are on their own, they pretty much never have alphas so you'd still have to buy the base kit or ergo kit, and at that point you aren't saving any money.
I Love this set, but I really want a 40s only kit. All my boards are 40%, but I want to get the cadet alphas, so the assembly is a lot of extra money for keys I won’t use. If there was 40% kit, I would be 100% buying this when it comes to GB.Splitting the assembly kit would mean deciding whether planck sticks with the ergo in the vein of various ergoplanck kits, or goes in the 40% kit. Also, when 40% kits are on their own, they pretty much never have alphas so you'd still have to buy the base kit or ergo kit, and at that point you aren't saving any money.
The use case at hand is attempting to cover both full size AND 65% with base + modifier + alpha kits.
The base set has no problem covering 65%.
1. About the base kit, can we use normal legend ?
and Git legend is an optional kit ?
2. It’s appreciated to split separated kits,
Let buyers choose what they want for their keyboards
Like current XDA Canvas GB.
Thanks.
Smol update. Mainly, I removed the red accents from Monochrome Base Kit. They were overlapping with GMK Honeywell too much.
With that, I also felt comfortable merging the ISO parts of the Base Kit into the NorDeUK kit, as there's now just 3 ISO returns left instead of 4. This should also increase the likelihood of that kit happening, as people can't cheap out for physical ISO support via the Base Kits now. It's all or nothing now, with less burden on the ANSI folks.
I am now pondering how to solve the 'Monochrome Mods separate pls'-issue. If I counted correctly, that would be a 38 key kit, which is pretty good. More people being merged into the Git Base Kit could also lead to another price break of that, which could be 10-20$. So at higher MOQ's, I could see the Git Base being 119$ or even 109$, and with Monochrome Modifiers on their own for 60$ or so be a solid 180$ish price. My main beef with this however remains that you won't be able to buy just Monochrome Modifiers + Hagoromo Alphas, as you would have to buy the Git Base just for the TKL nav keys (arrows, del/insert/pgup/pgdn/function row etc).
I will continue keeping this updated and improved upon.
What kind of $$$ should I prepare for the Base Kit? Assumptions welcome.
What kind of $$$ should I prepare for the Base Kit? Assumptions welcome.
@Oblotzky Use Scroll instead of Lock pls?
Kinda update:
- Expanded Hagoromo Cadet to be a full alphas kit.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/bnGsJKu.png)
I absolutely hate that there are two white alpha kits, this is a GMK buy and it should be kept condensed. However it makes even less sense to have a partial Cadet kit like it was before because 100% of its buyers would need to buy the Hagoromo Alphas kit and throw away all the latin keys. So I'm putting this update out here as a more "this is where I am currently at in my process of fine tuning the set" so that any future suggestions are based on the current state rather than an outdated one.
Ohhhh I think expanded hagoromo cadet is good ! I think this was mentioned in some of the comments, but are there plans to have maybe an extra arrow kit since there is only one set of arrow in the base kit?
Currently debating on whether to add arrow keys to the mod kits or not. Being able to buy Base + Modifiers + Hagoromo Alphas to fill a 65% alongside a TKL would be nice. 60% and HHKB are already possible. However I don't want to add too much 'standalone' coverage to the Modifier kits as that would lead to competing with myself, and I need to avoid that, and also not bloat the Modifier kits with duplicate keys that people who are looking to fill just one board won't need.
Also I have to add that however unlikely, if you do end up removing numpad from Base, I will buy 2 Base kits on principle. Not much of an incentive I realize, but it would be the least I can do to support such receptiveness to feedback, and forward thinking kit design.
+1 for nav keys and arrow keys for the monochrome and reg mod kits.
I'm joining the gb regardless, but I'd really only consider the mod kits if it had more compatibility than just 60% layouts.
With how popular 65% is right now it would be crazy to not do it. Especially with how well the e6.5 sold.
Kinda update:
- Expanded Hagoromo Cadet to be a full alphas kit.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/bnGsJKu.png)
I absolutely hate that there are two white alpha kits, this is a GMK buy and it should be kept condensed. However it makes even less sense to have a partial Cadet kit like it was before because 100% of its buyers would need to buy the Hagoromo Alphas kit and throw away all the latin keys. So I'm putting this update out here as a more "this is where I am currently at in my process of fine tuning the set" so that any future suggestions are based on the current state rather than an outdated one.@Oblotzky Use Scroll instead of Lock pls?
Not really a fan, Lock is more versatile, can be used elsewhere if a R1 filler key is needed (e.g. TC-V3). A lot more programmable functions you could 'Lock' vs you could 'Scroll'.
I cannot agree with you any more.
Nav and arrow is so important for 65% and TKL, which is most popolar.
PS: I really like what Oblivion V1 is set.
Ohhhh I think expanded hagoromo cadet is good ! I think this was mentioned in some of the comments, but are there plans to have maybe an extra arrow kit since there is only one set of arrow in the base kit?
Currently debating on whether to add arrow keys to the mod kits or not. Being able to buy Base + Modifiers + Hagoromo Alphas to fill a 65% alongside a TKL would be nice. 60% and HHKB are already possible. However I don't want to add too much 'standalone' coverage to the Modifier kits as that would lead to competing with myself, and I need to avoid that, and also not bloat the Modifier kits with duplicate keys that people who are looking to fill just one board won't need.
Ohhhh I think expanded hagoromo cadet is good ! I think this was mentioned in some of the comments, but are there plans to have maybe an extra arrow kit since there is only one set of arrow in the base kit?
Currently debating on whether to add arrow keys to the mod kits or not. Being able to buy Base + Modifiers + Hagoromo Alphas to fill a 65% alongside a TKL would be nice. 60% and HHKB are already possible. However I don't want to add too much 'standalone' coverage to the Modifier kits as that would lead to competing with myself, and I need to avoid that, and also not bloat the Modifier kits with duplicate keys that people who are looking to fill just one board won't need.
Ohhhh I think expanded hagoromo cadet is good ! I think this was mentioned in some of the comments, but are there plans to have maybe an extra arrow kit since there is only one set of arrow in the base kit?
Currently debating on whether to add arrow keys to the mod kits or not. Being able to buy Base + Modifiers + Hagoromo Alphas to fill a 65% alongside a TKL would be nice. 60% and HHKB are already possible. However I don't want to add too much 'standalone' coverage to the Modifier kits as that would lead to competing with myself, and I need to avoid that, and also not bloat the Modifier kits with duplicate keys that people who are looking to fill just one board won't need.
Would be wonderful to have more 65% support. thank you very much.
Ohhhh I think expanded hagoromo cadet is good ! I think this was mentioned in some of the comments, but are there plans to have maybe an extra arrow kit since there is only one set of arrow in the base kit?
Currently debating on whether to add arrow keys to the mod kits or not. Being able to buy Base + Modifiers + Hagoromo Alphas to fill a 65% alongside a TKL would be nice. 60% and HHKB are already possible. However I don't want to add too much 'standalone' coverage to the Modifier kits as that would lead to competing with myself, and I need to avoid that, and also not bloat the Modifier kits with duplicate keys that people who are looking to fill just one board won't need.
Would be wonderful to have more 65% support. thank you very much.
Just thought I'd add that the whole reason why I'm going to pick this set up is for a 65% board. (And not even for myself, it's for a gift! I'm sure I'll regret not getting one for myself when I see it in person.... )
The hagoromo cadet change is huge! Can't wait for the gb; in for Git base, assembly, and both cadet kits.
The hagoromo cadet change is huge! Can't wait for the gb; in for Git base, assembly, and both cadet kits.
cadets are amazing!
The hagoromo cadet change is huge! Can't wait for the gb; in for Git base, assembly, and both cadet kits.
cadets are amazing!
Aint that right. I love em. Got both grey and blue alphas from SC, ordered Carbon Cadet and now Hagoromo. Oblotzky owe us Crimson Cadet :p :p
Currently debating on whether to add arrow keys to the mod kits or not. Being able to buy Base + Modifiers + Hagoromo Alphas to fill a 65% alongside a TKL would be nice. 60% and HHKB are already possible. However I don't want to add too much 'standalone' coverage to the Modifier kits as that would lead to competing with myself, and I need to avoid that, and also not bloat the Modifier kits with duplicate keys that people who are looking to fill just one board won't need.
Currently debating on whether to add arrow keys to the mod kits or not. Being able to buy Base + Modifiers + Hagoromo Alphas to fill a 65% alongside a TKL would be nice. 60% and HHKB are already possible. However I don't want to add too much 'standalone' coverage to the Modifier kits as that would lead to competing with myself, and I need to avoid that, and also not bloat the Modifier kits with duplicate keys that people who are looking to fill just one board won't need.
As some people seem to want arrows and nav for 65, and some for TKL, would a separate nav kit covering both be preferable to adding these keys to the mod kits?
Currently debating on whether to add arrow keys to the mod kits or not. Being able to buy Base + Modifiers + Hagoromo Alphas to fill a 65% alongside a TKL would be nice. 60% and HHKB are already possible. However I don't want to add too much 'standalone' coverage to the Modifier kits as that would lead to competing with myself, and I need to avoid that, and also not bloat the Modifier kits with duplicate keys that people who are looking to fill just one board won't need.
As some people seem to want arrows and nav for 65, and some for TKL, would a separate nav kit covering both be preferable to adding these keys to the mod kits?
I kind of like this idea. If you add arrows and just tkl nav to reg mods then 65% users get left out, and vice versa if you add just 65% nav to reg mods. Adding both to reg mods adds further cost to that kit for users that just want a base kit and regular mods. As a separate kit, you don't penalize users in that last group. Then again, throwing it all into a single mod kit benefits anyone that just wants, say, a cadet or hagoromo alphas kit and regular mods.
In all cases, the numbers from this group buy will provide data for sticking with a full GMK base kit and lower costs, or splitting it up several into several kits for higher cost but more choice.
Adding TKL nav keys seem to amount to offering a la carte kits. Might cause other problems beyond addressing narrow pain points.
How about adding text arrows to the Cadet sets?
I really like them on Space Cadet--me think go nicely with all text mods.
Am I alone in wanting them? Not sure where they belong though... :eek:
I'd personally love text arrows and a full vim kit like what was offered for SA Oblivion. Maybe that vim kit can be done separately with potatowire. Text arrows are just great, fit well with the theme, and would be a nice addition to the arrows in the base kit.potatowire ;D
This post is getting tooooo long haha.Amen! :p
Hope this just drops tomorrow as is.
I'd personally love text arrows and a full vim kit like what was offered for SA Oblivion. Maybe that vim kit can be done separately with potatowire. Text arrows are just great, fit well with the theme, and would be a nice addition to the arrows in the base kit.
I prefer icon arrows to text arrows, but definitely +1 on a vim kit!
With all the posts so far, I think this should drop right after canvas on MD, all the kits as is. We ve had too many tweaks and thanks to Oblotzky for listening and modifying sets to community’s input.
With all the posts so far, I think this should drop right after canvas on MD, all the kits as is. We ve had too many tweaks and thanks to Oblotzky for listening and modifying sets to community’s input.
Dropping after Canvas will be great. Doesn't seem that Canvas is getting that much love anymore (like first 2 rounds).
With all the posts so far, I think this should drop right after canvas on MD, all the kits as is. We ve had too many tweaks and thanks to Oblotzky for listening and modifying sets to community’s input.
Dropping after Canvas will be great. Doesn't seem that Canvas is getting that much love anymore (like first 2 rounds).
I've only just recently gotten my R2 Canvas keys and have been using them on my Tokyo60 since I got them. I feel like its recent enough that I'm still thinking of it as one of my "new" sets. I imagine R3 is good for those who missed out before, but it does seem kinda soon doesn't it?
I really need to slow down on the spending, but I'm going to make Oblivion and Metropolis purchased in any event.
With all the posts so far, I think this should drop right after canvas on MD, all the kits as is. We ve had too many tweaks and thanks to Oblotzky for listening and modifying sets to community’s input.
Dropping after Canvas will be great. Doesn't seem that Canvas is getting that much love anymore (like first 2 rounds).
Dropping after Canvas will be great. Doesn't seem that Canvas is getting that much love anymore (like first 2 rounds).who said anything about it dropping after canvas?
Dropping after Canvas will be great. Doesn't seem that Canvas is getting that much love anymore (like first 2 rounds).who said anything about it dropping after canvas?
Maybe replace the word "will" with "would"?
"Dropping after canvas would be great".
Why in such a hurry? Oblotzky said this will run around June, and that’s perfectly OK. We don’t need to do things in a rush.
In the meantime, there are lots of other nice stuff in the mech world to keep us entertained.
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Why in such a hurry? Oblotzky said this will run around June, and that’s perfectly OK. We don’t need to do things in a rush.
In the meantime, there are lots of other nice stuff in the mech world to keep us entertained.
Would you consider making the Assembly modifiers all upper case or all lower case?I'm fairly indifferent towards this, but I do think that the molds for these legends already exist. If that is the case, then it wouldn't be economical to change them.
Having only the first letter capitalized looks a little weird because no one writes assembly like that, usually all upper or all lower case.
Would you consider making the Assembly modifiers all upper case or all lower case?I'm fairly indifferent towards this, but I do think that the molds for these legends already exist. If that is the case, then it wouldn't be economical to change them.
Having only the first letter capitalized looks a little weird because no one writes assembly like that, usually all upper or all lower case.
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Would you consider making the Assembly modifiers all upper case or all lower case?I'm fairly indifferent towards this, but I do think that the molds for these legends already exist. If that is the case, then it wouldn't be economical to change them.
Having only the first letter capitalized looks a little weird because no one writes assembly like that, usually all upper or all lower case.
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What smurkcity12 said, the molds already exist which I intend to reuse, they were originally created for GMK Space Cadet. I initially intended to make them all uppercase, but ultimately did not because I stuck to Cherry's design rule of having camel case text on modifiers. I think it looks fine:
The version you prefer can be found for SA as it's standard there to use all uppercase letters on modifiers:
Would you consider making the Assembly modifiers all upper case or all lower case?I'm fairly indifferent towards this, but I do think that the molds for these legends already exist. If that is the case, then it wouldn't be economical to change them.
Having only the first letter capitalized looks a little weird because no one writes assembly like that, usually all upper or all lower case.
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What smurkcity12 said, the molds already exist which I intend to reuse, they were originally created for GMK Space Cadet. I initially intended to make them all uppercase, but ultimately did not because I stuck to Cherry's design rule of having camel case text on modifiers. I think it looks fine:
The version you prefer can be found for SA as it's standard there to use all uppercase letters on modifiers:
That's too bad, I think all upper case would look amazing, but I don't know if that's worth making new molds.
Either way, it looks great and I definitely intend to participate in the GB! Thanks for putting this together!
Would you consider making the Assembly modifiers all upper case or all lower case?I'm fairly indifferent towards this, but I do think that the molds for these legends already exist. If that is the case, then it wouldn't be economical to change them.
Having only the first letter capitalized looks a little weird because no one writes assembly like that, usually all upper or all lower case.
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What smurkcity12 said, the molds already exist which I intend to reuse, they were originally created for GMK Space Cadet. I initially intended to make them all uppercase, but ultimately did not because I stuck to Cherry's design rule of having camel case text on modifiers. I think it looks fine:
The version you prefer can be found for SA as it's standard there to use all uppercase letters on modifiers:
That's too bad, I think all upper case would look amazing, but I don't know if that's worth making new molds.
Either way, it looks great and I definitely intend to participate in the GB! Thanks for putting this together!
Recreating all the legends would cost about 6k EUR, so that's not gonna happen I'm afraid even if I wanted to, sorry.
I'm still somewhat new here but I'm definitely interested in at least the base kit and regular modifiers if it drops around the summer time or later. This has been my favorite keycap colorway I've found so far, and not in SA (I dislike typing on SA). I've been hoping this would come back for awhile, but just now stumbled on this thread. I do like the blue enter and escape in the monochrome modifiers, but have no interest in the rest of the monochrome set. Not a deal-killer though. I'm just happy to see this possibly coming back.
I'm 100% in if there is an ISO survival kit.
I'm 100% in if there is an ISO survival kit.
Look of I have done, Oblotzky. Contemplate the aftermath of my work.
I'm 100% in if there is an ISO survival kit.
Look of I have done, Oblotzky. Contemplate the aftermath of my work.
"And lo, the Lord said..."
Is the monochrome base kit no longer happening?
I'm definitely in for the next run
2 issues
1) How can we be notified when it's launched
2) I can only use rounded 1.25U keycaps near the spacebar, when the set has blanks, I file them, make them round/comfortable, so my thumbs don't get destroyed -- is it possible to get 1.25C keycaps too, you included 1.00C, but not 1.25C - I believe 1.25C blanks would be useful too, while not too common, there are people like me
Ah, such a shame, thanks for the info
If you correspond with them actively, can you nudge them to get the molds developed? I have a hunch they could be just waiting a request for it :D
I’ve never used a brass keycap before but since it’s heavier, does/should one try to balance that out with a heavier spring or is it not really a noticeable difference?
RAMA will certainly be busy.
This collaboration should have been easy to predict, some already asked for exactly this earlier in the thread, on reddit or even PM's. So here you go!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/e5SGXWg.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/81P2EUS.png)
This collaboration should have been easy to predict, some already asked for exactly this earlier in the thread, on reddit or even PM's. So here you go!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/e5SGXWg.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/81P2EUS.png)
This collaboration should have been easy to predict, some already asked for exactly this earlier in the thread, on reddit or even PM's. So here you go!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/e5SGXWg.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/81P2EUS.png)
I’ve never used a brass keycap before but since it’s heavier, does/should one try to balance that out with a heavier spring or is it not really a noticeable difference?
RAMA will certainly be busy.
This one will be anodized aluminium with enamel infill.
I'm not familiar with how these collaborations usually work. Will this be on Rama's site?
Any chance of Git Modifiers kit? It would be nice to pair with other sets consider the Git modifiers is something no one thought of..
Would it be possible to add the same light gray 1.5u "\" key from the Base set to the Assembly set? The base set is the only set with it.
There's no \| key at all in the assembly kit and several ergodox + ergo variants + Boardwalk layouts use it. Though I'd prefer the key to be the modifier gray color rather than the alpha gray, so that if I want to use it with hagoromo alphas it won't look off.Would it be possible to add the same light gray 1.5u "\" key from the Base set to the Assembly set? The base set is the only set with it.
i do not understand what use this would have
There's no \| key at all in the assembly kit and several ergodox + ergo variants + Boardwalk layouts use it. Though I'd prefer the key to be the modifier gray color rather than the alpha gray, so that if I want to use it with hagoromo alphas it won't look off.Would it be possible to add the same light gray 1.5u "\" key from the Base set to the Assembly set? The base set is the only set with it.
i do not understand what use this would have
hello sir ne hiragana subs avial?
This collaboration should have been easy to predict, some already asked for exactly this earlier in the thread, on reddit or even PM's. So here you go!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/reGYI3l.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9agmQgx.png)
Any projection when this will come out?June?
So many keysets coming out next 2 weeks
Any projection when this will come out?
So many keysets coming out next 2 weeks
Any projection when this will come out?
So many keysets coming out next 2 weeks
I'm just gonna preemptively address this one as someone will ask about this very soon anyways:
https://www.massdrop.com/talk/22344/massdrop-testing-local-shipping-in-european-union
Massdrop is TESTING local EU shipping through a new warehouse for a SELECTED FEW items. How this will develop in the future remains to be seen. I won't be making any assumptions/predictions about its availability for GMK Oblivion V2. This is a TEST of theirs.
This is such a good IC thread. I'm kind of sad to think about it ending.
Soooo, I just finalized some stuff behind the scenes and there's some exciting changes coming up, stay tuned.
git modifiers on the base kit is an instant buy for me!
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Lol nice April Fools joke... but really, I was thinking that the prices were way too low, and that you were greatly underestimating the labor cost of sorting a GB like this. I'm doing the same thing, except with blanks, so it will be a lot easier.
But can GMK sell by a per-key basis for legended kits?
Have some questions about the regular mods and monochrome mods - the numpad mods and navigation mods are not included in there?
PS. LOL... I introduced this GB to the community of korea, cuz i believed that it's real >:D
Dang, you had to play it by ear at that time kkkkkk
Have some questions about the regular mods and monochrome mods - the numpad mods and navigation mods are not included in there?
PS. LOL... I introduced this GB to the community of korea, cuz i believed that it's real >:D
Dang, you had to play it by ear at that time kkkkkk
hehehe it's april fools day in the west, so it's time to play jokes
It actually upsets me a little myself
Wow what a bummer. Spent a few hours pouring over the boards I have coming and the layouts and compatibility I wanted. Salt level 9000
ppl are really upset over an obvious april fools joke lolll
good job oblo on making it convincing as hell
ppl are really upset over an obvious april fools joke lolll
good job oblo on making it convincing as hell
obviously convincing??
geekhack = massdrop market research platform
nice forum while it lasted, RIP
ppl are really upset over an obvious april fools joke lolll
good job oblo on making it convincing as hell
obviously convincing??
exactly. so obvious it's super convincing lol
this had nothing to do with market research, until it was realized that it might be viable to check out the replies anyway. the IC has existed for months and kits have been redone a few times, that's where all of the "market research" took place
exactly. so obvious it's super convincing lol
this had nothing to do with market research, until it was realized that it might be viable to check out the replies anyway. the IC has existed for months and kits have been redone a few times, that's where all of the "market research" took place
No he said he got valuable data out of it.
exactly. so obvious it's super convincing lol
this had nothing to do with market research, until it was realized that it might be viable to check out the replies anyway. the IC has existed for months and kits have been redone a few times, that's where all of the "market research" took place
exactly. so obvious it's super convincing lol
this had nothing to do with market research, until it was realized that it might be viable to check out the replies anyway. the IC has existed for months and kits have been redone a few times, that's where all of the "market research" took place
exactly. so obvious it's super convincing lol
this had nothing to do with market research, until it was realized that it might be viable to check out the replies anyway. the IC has existed for months and kits have been redone a few times, that's where all of the "market research" took place
Only according to you. All of his posts are consistent with intending to collect data. Making 100 pack screenshots isn't something you do just for the heck of it.
Gathering feedback during the IC phase is a lot different to getting an estimate on sales like this post has done. Sad that a lot of people were tricked in the process, but I very much doubt there was never a plan to gather possible sales estimates from thisexactly. so obvious it's super convincing lol
this had nothing to do with market research, until it was realized that it might be viable to check out the replies anyway. the IC has existed for months and kits have been redone a few times, that's where all of the "market research" took place
Only according to you. All of his posts are consistent with intending to collect data. Making 100 pack screenshots isn't something you do just for the heck of it.
yea i dont talk to oblo so I'm not sure what his motives were
ppl are really upset over an obvious april fools joke lolll
good job oblo on making it convincing as hell
I never thought that the post would be taken as seriously as it has been - honestly, that thing is insanity in GB form, it never would have passed our internal approval system for GB runners to have their threads created in the first place. I am sorry for my contributions to any saltiness or heartache over the thread, and hope we can all have a good laugh about it in the end. :-[
ppl are really upset over an obvious april fools joke lolll
good job oblo on making it convincing as hell
he would have gotten me if i didn't know the MD schedule, it was genius
ppl are really upset over an obvious april fools joke lolll
good job oblo on making it convincing as hell
he would have gotten me if i didn't know the MD schedule, it was genius
Please share with me the MD schedule. PM if you need to
MD doesn't do anything to impact moderation of this site, and in fact their only involvement so far has been to make some massive server improvements that saved the site from going down whenever popular artisan sales would take place. I've been pretty vocal about my desire to keep the moderation team a separate entity from MD, and if they start to influence our decisions or force changes on the site, I will absolutely alert the userbase and step down. Whatever your feelings for Massdrop as a company, they have been really great in that regard.
That was a great joke,dunno why people are so upset over it.It was April fools so i don't really know what they were expecting.
The only bad thing is that the actual gb is going to be run through massdrop which is pretty bad for the international crowd,as far as taxes go at least.....
Oh is that true they are doing that? About time if you ask me.That was a great joke,dunno why people are so upset over it.It was April fools so i don't really know what they were expecting.
The only bad thing is that the actual gb is going to be run through massdrop which is pretty bad for the international crowd,as far as taxes go at least.....
MD EU warehouse tho.. to the time the GB is up they could be ready
Oh is that true they are doing that? About time if you ask me.That was a great joke,dunno why people are so upset over it.It was April fools so i don't really know what they were expecting.
The only bad thing is that the actual gb is going to be run through massdrop which is pretty bad for the international crowd,as far as taxes go at least.....
MD EU warehouse tho.. to the time the GB is up they could be ready
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I think what this highlights to me the most is how much Massdrop-run GMK GBs suck for me as a European and German customer in comparison to something that would indeed be handled domestically. Joking about something EU people have actually wished for for a long time is bound to rub people the wrong way.
Oh you want to buy exactly the keys you need, for a good price and without import costs or unnecessarily hurting the environment by shipping stuff across the Atlantic and back again?
Yes, I would in fact like that.
Oh, but that's just a joke, I will of course run the GB in a for me much more comfortable fashion with higher profit margin which will result in much higher prices for unnecessary keys and unnecessary import for you guys! But I think it's very funny that you would like that.
This joke was harsh since it worked on the sensitive, problematic ares of group buys. Stupid shipping back and forth causing custom fees, not getting required key, getting too many unnecessary keys etc.
People wanted to believe, because this solved what bothered them. No surprise that some are not laughing. I fully understand it was not intended, but that's how it is.
The things that raised doubt to me were the discount and the manual sorting by one person, but my brain chose to ignore it, because what if...
P.S. So i guess a small ortho (preonic, planck etc.) kit is a no go then :(
This joke was harsh since it worked on the sensitive, problematic ares of group buys. Stupid shipping back and forth causing custom fees, not getting required key, getting too many unnecessary keys etc.Well tbf that ordering system has been used before and it failed terribly so even though in theory it looks better than massdrop in reality it would be much much worse
People wanted to believe, because this solved what bothered them. No surprise that some are not laughing. I fully understand it was not intended, but that's how it is.
The things that raised doubt to me were the discount and the manual sorting by one person, but my brain chose to ignore it, because what if...
P.S. So i guess a small ortho (preonic, planck etc.) kit is a no go then :(
This joke was harsh since it worked on the sensitive, problematic ares of group buys. Stupid shipping back and forth causing custom fees, not getting required key, getting too many unnecessary keys etc.Well tbf that ordering system has been used before and it failed terribly so even though in theory it looks better than massdrop in reality it would be much much worse
People wanted to believe, because this solved what bothered them. No surprise that some are not laughing. I fully understand it was not intended, but that's how it is.
The things that raised doubt to me were the discount and the manual sorting by one person, but my brain chose to ignore it, because what if...
P.S. So i guess a small ortho (preonic, planck etc.) kit is a no go then :(
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hope this experiment, would help you figure out the kits, i want my planck kit
ne stats avail
Have some questions about the regular mods and monochrome mods - the numpad mods and navigation mods are not included in there?
PS. LOL... I introduced this GB to the community of korea, cuz i believed that it's real >:D
Dang, you had to play it by ear at that time kkkkkk
QuoteIt actually upsets me a little myself
Just A LITTLE? You gave people so much hope then apologized A LITTLE because your tasteless joke disappointed them?! Do you know what drives people to suicide thoughts here in Eastern Asia? DISAPPOINTMENT!
Promising a 10% discount, make people spent time to choose kits, sure it is a joke, not a f**king SCAM.
I actually like the approach of the meme gb but what can you do?
Wasted a lot of peoples time to get data to make yourself more money and the mods went along with it. Screw you. I guess this is what we can expect now that GH is owned by Massdrop. Garbage company.
exactly. so obvious it's super convincing lol
this had nothing to do with market research, until it was realized that it might be viable to check out the replies anyway. the IC has existed for months and kits have been redone a few times, that's where all of the "market research" took place
Only according to you. All of his posts are consistent with intending to collect data. Making 100 pack screenshots isn't something you do just for the heck of it.
now that we've seen the Navigation Arrows Text - there's no excuse not to include them ;D
Nooooo I forgot about that. I loved the inclusion of text arrows. I hope that happens somehow, as a separate kit at least. It fits the set better, considering Oblivion is a text editor theme.
I think what this highlights to me the most is how much Massdrop-run GMK GBs suck for me as a European and German customer in comparison to something that would indeed be handled domestically. Joking about something EU people have actually wished for for a long time is bound to rub people the wrong way.
Oh you want to buy exactly the keys you need, for a good price and without import costs or unnecessarily hurting the environment by shipping stuff across the Atlantic and back again?
Yes, I would in fact like that.
Oh, but that's just a joke, I will of course run the GB in a for me much more comfortable fashion with higher profit margin which will result in much higher prices for unnecessary keys and unnecessary import for you guys! But I think it's very funny that you would like that.
it got lost on a lot of the newer users, but it was a joke about 7bit's "round" GBs -- run in the same fashion, notorious for extreme delays
massdrop is testing EU-zone shipping as we speak, and oblotzky, as a german himself, is very aware of the issues with massdrop and non-US users
Is there any chance of adding the red accents back into the monochrome mods? I know they were removed to differentiate the set from Honeywell but it would be really swell to see them backhope this experiment, would help you figure out the kits, i want my planck kit
The Assembly kit as it is currently depicted on the first page of this thread will most likely be the version available in the upcoming group buy. It should be affordable considering all the custom legends already exist from GMK Space Cadet. I might revise if necessary once I've received pricing.ne stats avail
Working on it!Have some questions about the regular mods and monochrome mods - the numpad mods and navigation mods are not included in there?
PS. LOL... I introduced this GB to the community of korea, cuz i believed that it's real >:D
Dang, you had to play it by ear at that time kkkkkk
The sole purpose of the Regular Modifiers and Monochrome Modifiers kit is to replace the Git Modifiers of the Base Kit. They are not meant to offer wide support on their own, as such, for the Numpad, only the NumLock and Enter keys are part of that kit as those are the only two keys needing replacement in the Base Kit to convert it into a Regular/Monochrome Base Kit.QuoteIt actually upsets me a little myself
Just A LITTLE? You gave people so much hope then apologized A LITTLE because your tasteless joke disappointed them?! Do you know what drives people to suicide thoughts here in Eastern Asia? DISAPPOINTMENT!Promising a 10% discount, make people spent time to choose kits, sure it is a joke, not a f**king SCAM.I actually like the approach of the meme gb but what can you do?Wasted a lot of peoples time to get data to make yourself more money and the mods went along with it. Screw you. I guess this is what we can expect now that GH is owned by Massdrop. Garbage company.exactly. so obvious it's super convincing lol
this had nothing to do with market research, until it was realized that it might be viable to check out the replies anyway. the IC has existed for months and kits have been redone a few times, that's where all of the "market research" took place
Only according to you. All of his posts are consistent with intending to collect data. Making 100 pack screenshots isn't something you do just for the heck of it.now that we've seen the Navigation Arrows Text - there's no excuse not to include them ;DNooooo I forgot about that. I loved the inclusion of text arrows. I hope that happens somehow, as a separate kit at least. It fits the set better, considering Oblivion is a text editor theme.I think what this highlights to me the most is how much Massdrop-run GMK GBs suck for me as a European and German customer in comparison to something that would indeed be handled domestically. Joking about something EU people have actually wished for for a long time is bound to rub people the wrong way.
Oh you want to buy exactly the keys you need, for a good price and without import costs or unnecessarily hurting the environment by shipping stuff across the Atlantic and back again?
Yes, I would in fact like that.
Oh, but that's just a joke, I will of course run the GB in a for me much more comfortable fashion with higher profit margin which will result in much higher prices for unnecessary keys and unnecessary import for you guys! But I think it's very funny that you would like that.
it got lost on a lot of the newer users, but it was a joke about 7bit's "round" GBs -- run in the same fashion, notorious for extreme delays
massdrop is testing EU-zone shipping as we speak, and oblotzky, as a german himself, is very aware of the issues with massdrop and non-US users
This, I am very much aware EU is at a disatvantage when it comes to Massdrop buys. I really hope this will change with the upcoming EU warehouse. It remains to be seen if this will be available for future keysets or not. The primary reason I am running this keyset through Massdrop is that it enables me to offer much more optional kits, such as the Cadet stuff, alternate function row colors, both regular and git mods on top of monochrome, etc. Most my other projects will continue to run through vendors across NA/EU/ASIA like Calm Depths did.
Also I'm pretty sure I'd make much more money if I did all the sorting myself with no cut going towards another company compared to getting a designer rev share. Would require a lot of labor on my part, but it would pay off.
Will massdrop use the EU warehouse for this group buy? I have been avoiding massdrop because of the extra taxes.
Is there any chance of adding the red accents back into the monochrome mods? I know they were removed to differentiate the set from Honeywell but it would be really swell to see them back
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Have some questions about the regular mods and monochrome mods - the numpad mods and navigation mods are not included in there?
PS. LOL... I introduced this GB to the community of korea, cuz i believed that it's real >:D
Dang, you had to play it by ear at that time kkkkkk
The sole purpose of the Regular Modifiers and Monochrome Modifiers kit is to replace the Git Modifiers of the Base Kit. They are not meant to offer wide support on their own, as such, for the Numpad, only the NumLock and Enter keys are part of that kit as those are the only two keys needing replacement in the Base Kit to convert it into a Regular/Monochrome Base Kit.
Then I need to purchase 3 sets of Git Base to make the Regular Base and Monochrome Base?Have some questions about the regular mods and monochrome mods - the numpad mods and navigation mods are not included in there?
PS. LOL... I introduced this GB to the community of korea, cuz i believed that it's real >:D
Dang, you had to play it by ear at that time kkkkkk
The sole purpose of the Regular Modifiers and Monochrome Modifiers kit is to replace the Git Modifiers of the Base Kit. They are not meant to offer wide support on their own, as such, for the Numpad, only the NumLock and Enter keys are part of that kit as those are the only two keys needing replacement in the Base Kit to convert it into a Regular/Monochrome Base Kit.
So sad.....
How about trying to separate the extra mod kits(monochrome, regular mods) into only mods and numpads, like SA GB that you did?
he would have gotten me if i didn't know the MD schedule, it was genius
Promising a 10% discount, make people spent time to choose kits, sure it is a joke, not a f**king SCAM.
I have collected exactly 0 of any currency. Please elaborate how this qualifies as a Scam.
Cuff him up boys, you're coming with us OblotzkyPromising a 10% discount, make people spent time to choose kits, sure it is a joke, not a f**king SCAM.
I have collected exactly 0 of any currency. Please elaborate how this qualifies as a Scam.
Sure! Checking wiki... oops a SCAM means "an attempt to defraud a person or group after first gaining their confidence", and I believe wiki lies since it DOES NOT mention that person must earns some money.
Sorry I'm wrong, you don't earn any money, defraud and waste our fools' time is no problem and nothing to do with a SCAM.
Promising a 10% discount, make people spent time to choose kits, sure it is a joke, not a f**king SCAM.
I have collected exactly 0 of any currency. Please elaborate how this qualifies as a Scam.
Sure! Checking wiki... oops a SCAM means "an attempt to defraud a person or group after first gaining their confidence", and I believe wiki lies since it DOES NOT mention that person must earns some money.
Sorry I'm wrong, you don't earn any money, defraud and waste our fools' time is no problem and nothing to do with a SCAM.
Cuff him up boys, you're coming with us OblotzkyPromising a 10% discount, make people spent time to choose kits, sure it is a joke, not a f**king SCAM.
I have collected exactly 0 of any currency. Please elaborate how this qualifies as a Scam.
Sure! Checking wiki... oops a SCAM means "an attempt to defraud a person or group after first gaining their confidence", and I believe wiki lies since it DOES NOT mention that person must earns some money.
Sorry I'm wrong, you don't earn any money, defraud and waste our fools' time is no problem and nothing to do with a SCAM.Show Image(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/356/805/8ec.gif)
Ye more like GMK Obliterated V2 amirightCuff him up boys, you're coming with us OblotzkyPromising a 10% discount, make people spent time to choose kits, sure it is a joke, not a f**king SCAM.
I have collected exactly 0 of any currency. Please elaborate how this qualifies as a Scam.
Sure! Checking wiki... oops a SCAM means "an attempt to defraud a person or group after first gaining their confidence", and I believe wiki lies since it DOES NOT mention that person must earns some money.
Sorry I'm wrong, you don't earn any money, defraud and waste our fools' time is no problem and nothing to do with a SCAM.Show Image(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/356/805/8ec.gif)
So oblotzky is banned from GH now right?
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Promising a 10% discount, make people spent time to choose kits, sure it is a joke, not a f**king SCAM.
I have collected exactly 0 of any currency. Please elaborate how this qualifies as a Scam.
Sure! Checking wiki... oops a SCAM means "an attempt to defraud a person or group after first gaining their confidence", and I believe wiki lies since it DOES NOT mention that person must earns some money.
Sorry I'm wrong, you don't earn any money, defraud and waste our fools' time is no problem and nothing to do with a SCAM.
illegally obtain money from (someone) by deception.
text arrows are bad
thank you
tfw oblo quotes you too fasttext arrows are bad
thank you
+1 I agree.
How would you guys feel about base kit arrows being text, but a 4-key Icon Arrow kit available? Downside: Adds a few bucks (like 6.99$ or something like that?) to those that wanted Icon Arrows from the start, but upside: adds text arrows to the set that would otherwise not be available at all. Plus Base Kit + One Modifiers Kit + Hagoromo Alphas + Icon Arrows = coverage for two boards (TKL/Fullsize + 65%).
How would you guys feel about base kit arrows being text, but a 4-key Icon Arrow kit available? Downside: Adds a few bucks (like 6.99$ or something like that?) to those that wanted Icon Arrows from the start, but upside: adds text arrows to the set that would otherwise not be available at all. Plus Base Kit + One Modifiers Kit + Hagoromo Alphas + Icon Arrows = coverage for two boards (TKL/Fullsize + 65%).
How would you guys feel about base kit arrows being text, but a 4-key Icon Arrow kit available? Downside: Adds a few bucks (like 6.99$ or something like that?) to those that wanted Icon Arrows from the start, but upside: adds text arrows to the set that would otherwise not be available at all. Plus Base Kit + One Modifiers Kit + Hagoromo Alphas + Icon Arrows = coverage for two boards (TKL/Fullsize + 65%).
tfw oblo quotes you too fasttext arrows are bad
thank you
+1 I agree.
How would you guys feel about base kit arrows being text, but a 4-key Icon Arrow kit available? Downside: Adds a few bucks (like 6.99$ or something like that?) to those that wanted Icon Arrows from the start, but upside: adds text arrows to the set that would otherwise not be available at all. Plus Base Kit + One Modifiers Kit + Hagoromo Alphas + Icon Arrows = coverage for two boards (TKL/Fullsize + 65%).
How would you guys feel about base kit arrows being text, but a 4-key Icon Arrow kit available? Downside: Adds a few bucks (like 6.99$ or something like that?) to those that wanted Icon Arrows from the start, but upside: adds text arrows to the set that would otherwise not be available at all. Plus Base Kit + One Modifiers Kit + Hagoromo Alphas + Icon Arrows = coverage for two boards (TKL/Fullsize + 65%).
tfw oblo quotes you too fasttext arrows are bad
thank you
+1 I agree.
How would you guys feel about base kit arrows being text, but a 4-key Icon Arrow kit available? Downside: Adds a few bucks (like 6.99$ or something like that?) to those that wanted Icon Arrows from the start, but upside: adds text arrows to the set that would otherwise not be available at all. Plus Base Kit + One Modifiers Kit + Hagoromo Alphas + Icon Arrows = coverage for two boards (TKL/Fullsize + 65%).
i love oblivion
Promising a 10% discount, make people spent time to choose kits, sure it is a joke, not a f**king SCAM.
I have collected exactly 0 of any currency. Please elaborate how this qualifies as a Scam.
Sure! Checking wiki... oops a SCAM means "an attempt to defraud a person or group after first gaining their confidence", and I believe wiki lies since it DOES NOT mention that person must earns some money.
Sorry I'm wrong, you don't earn any money, defraud and waste our fools' time is no problem and nothing to do with a SCAM.
Have you started to analyze the data?
Have you started to analyze the data?
Over or under: ISO accounts for 4.69% of total base set orders.
Have you started to analyze the data?
Wow,scamming people out of their valuable minutes so you can afford rtx cards to sell our personal data to the massdrop corporate overlords so you can make more money.Truly a sad day we live in......Have you started to analyze the data?Show Image(https://media.giphy.com/media/YQitE4YNQNahy/giphy-downsized-large.gif)
My Quad-Linked RTX Titan cards are working overtime running those machine learning cores, I hope the graphs will be done generating before the weekend.
Have you started to analyze the data?Show Image(https://media.giphy.com/media/YQitE4YNQNahy/giphy-downsized-large.gif)
My Quad-Linked RTX Titan cards are working overtime running those machine learning cores, I hope the graphs will be done generating before the weekend.
Truly a sad day we live in......Have you started to analyze the data?Show Image(https://media.giphy.com/media/YQitE4YNQNahy/giphy-downsized-large.gif)
My Quad-Linked RTX Titan cards are working overtime running those machine learning cores, I hope the graphs will be done generating before the weekend.
tfw oblo quotes you too fasttext arrows are bad
thank you
+1 I agree.
How would you guys feel about base kit arrows being text, but a 4-key Icon Arrow kit available? Downside: Adds a few bucks (like 6.99$ or something like that?) to those that wanted Icon Arrows from the start, but upside: adds text arrows to the set that would otherwise not be available at all. Plus Base Kit + One Modifiers Kit + Hagoromo Alphas + Icon Arrows = coverage for two boards (TKL/Fullsize + 65%).
Please no. Text arrows bad.
+100 to anything that would get me Icon + Text or Icon mods in general. I wish I tolerated Text Mods (except bottom row and the usual OG stuff) better, but the more I see them, the less I've liked them, quite unfortunately. :(
While I realized it was most likely an April Fool's joke, the more I thought about such a setup for a GB, the more intrigued I got....
While I realized it was most likely an April Fool's joke, the more I thought about such a setup for a GB, the more intrigued I got....
Have fun...
https://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=6732
Promising a 10% discount, make people spent time to choose kits, sure it is a joke, not a f**king SCAM.
I have collected exactly 0 of any currency. Please elaborate how this qualifies as a Scam.
Sure! Checking wiki... oops a SCAM means "an attempt to defraud a person or group after first gaining their confidence", and I believe wiki lies since it DOES NOT mention that person must earns some money.
Sorry I'm wrong, you don't earn any money, defraud and waste our fools' time is no problem and nothing to do with a SCAM.
Promising a 10% discount, make people spent time to choose kits, sure it is a joke, not a f**king SCAM.
I have collected exactly 0 of any currency. Please elaborate how this qualifies as a Scam.
Sure! Checking wiki... oops a SCAM means "an attempt to defraud a person or group after first gaining their confidence", and I believe wiki lies since it DOES NOT mention that person must earns some money.
Sorry I'm wrong, you don't earn any money, defraud and waste our fools' time is no problem and nothing to do with a SCAM.
are you ok
Please replace regular alpha with cadet in base kit.
Some of y'all fo' realShow Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190402/d09f564688adf32667216f1d9a568fee.jpg)
Space Cadet symbols are like weeb legends: not in my keyset
Space Cadet symbols are like weeb legends: not in my keyset
Serika doe
Space Cadet symbols are like weeb legends: not in my keyset
Serika doe
:gottem:Space Cadet symbols are like weeb legends: not in my keyset
Serika doe
I don't know what you are talking about, sir.
hello sir, does this mean you will add hiragana alphas as an option
How will this provide any useful data points? :thinking:
I know I only added a couple sets as a placeholder - I'm sure most others did the same or just made a placeholder post. Certainly doesn't represent what I would have actually ordered in the end. Several people were also just posting bad data.
I would take any "analysis" with a heavy grain of salt, OP. I'd hate to see kits changed based off of unrealistic information.
How will this provide any useful data points? :thinking:
I know I only added a couple sets as a placeholder - I'm sure most others did the same or just made a placeholder post. Certainly doesn't represent what I would have actually ordered in the end. Several people were also just posting bad data.
I would take any "analysis" with a heavy grain of salt, OP. I'd hate to see kits changed based off of unrealistic information.
Even if your order wasn't final, why would you post Hagoromo over Oblivion alphas though for example for your initial one?
I think GMK Oblivion V1's kit set is better than V2.
As you said, splitting a base kit into mods and alphas for production and then buying them together to create a base kit again will add about 20-25$.
So what about 2 or 3 base kit like GMK carbon R2. It is better choice for TKL or 65%.
How will this provide any useful data points? :thinking:Most people took the 5 minutes it required to find the kits they actually wanted so even if it was a "placeholder" post it was most likely based on their actual preferences thus providing the needed data.
I know I only added a couple sets as a placeholder - I'm sure most others did the same or just made a placeholder post. Certainly doesn't represent what I would have actually ordered in the end. Several people were also just posting bad data.
I would take any "analysis" with a heavy grain of salt, OP. I'd hate to see kits changed based off of unrealistic information.
Promising a 10% discount, make people spent time to choose kits, sure it is a joke, not a f**king SCAM.
I have collected exactly 0 of any currency. Please elaborate how this qualifies as a Scam.
Sure! Checking wiki... oops a SCAM means "an attempt to defraud a person or group after first gaining their confidence", and I believe wiki lies since it DOES NOT mention that person must earns some money.
Sorry I'm wrong, you don't earn any money, defraud and waste our fools' time is no problem and nothing to do with a SCAM.
are you ok
he probably wants his money back.
tfw oblo quotes you too fasttext arrows are bad
thank you
+1 I agree.
How would you guys feel about base kit arrows being text, but a 4-key Icon Arrow kit available? Downside: Adds a few bucks (like 6.99$ or something like that?) to those that wanted Icon Arrows from the start, but upside: adds text arrows to the set that would otherwise not be available at all. Plus Base Kit + One Modifiers Kit + Hagoromo Alphas + Icon Arrows = coverage for two boards (TKL/Fullsize + 65%).
I honestly think putting the arrows in their own kit for, say, 7 bucks or something is actually better than having them in the base kit - people who are buying monochrome + alternative alphas might want icon arrows too, as well as people buying the smaller ergo/40% kits. I think it'd be fairer to make the icon arrows widely available because of how hated text arrows are.
text arrows good considering all other mods are text only
if the mods were icon+text or icon only, then i would rather see icon arrows
icon arrow + text only mod doesn't make sense
So.. do I still get the 10% discount?This, I want my discount too. Anyone else crying about their time and data.....grow up, its a forum and everyone has plenty of their data on it already, not sure how this data set will help due to constrain GMK put but I feel like GMK drop should follow this format and everyone will be happy to get what they exclusively want.
So.. do I still get the 10% discount?
So.. do I still get the 10% discount?
no
Has anyone got an invoice?
WOW already? That's what i call German efficiency!!!Has anyone got an invoice?
Paid mine already and got my tracking no.
Has anyone got an invoice?Oblotzky already overnighted me mine.
Has anyone got an invoice?Oblotzky already overnighted me mine.
Has anyone got an invoice?Oblotzky already overnighted me mine.
Fake set, clearly a round 1 because of the Pg Up and Pg Down.
+1text arrows good considering all other mods are text only
if the mods were icon+text or icon only, then i would rather see icon arrows
icon arrow + text only mod doesn't make sense
Exactly
Now we have a nice catalog of who the small brains are in the community :thumb:
text arrows good considering all other mods are text only
if the mods were icon+text or icon only, then i would rather see icon arrows
icon arrow + text only mod doesn't make sense
I'm wondering what the ratio was of Regular Mods : Git Mods in the fake GB thread.
Just put the text arrows in another kit so the minority could reach maybe the moq to buy it if they want (pretty sure it will make the MOQ).
FREE_OBLIVIONV2_AND_A_BLOWJOB 9000
oblotzky fulfill my order plz
FREE_OBLIVIONV2_AND_A_BLOWJOB 9000
oblotzky fulfill my order plz
Oh crap! I didn't see that option. I need to update.
Very disappointed about the "joke" it wasn't cool man...
And i don't agree to using my order data for analyzing.
Very disappointed about the "joke" it wasn't cool man...
And i don't agree to using my order data for analyzing.
If you're really that upset about the joke/using your order as data, you can always stick it to him by not joining the GB whenever it actually goes live. But lets be real here: you're still going to join regardless of what happened LMAO.
Very disappointed about the "joke" it wasn't cool man...
And i don't agree to using my order data for analyzing.
If you're really that upset about the joke/using your order as data, you can always stick it to him by not joining the GB whenever it actually goes live. But lets be real here: you're still going to join regardless of what happened LMAO.
No, I Won't.
I don't get how anybody can see the 7bit method and don't realise that was a joke. The amount of salt here is a bit ridiculous.Even if they didn't realize it was a joke(i fell for it too for the first 5 minutes cause damn i was hopeful) for the x or y reason why would you be salty over an April fools joke? People are acting plain stupid saying **** like : April fools huh? Are you gonna give me the time i spent selecting all the kits back?
Very disappointed about the "joke" it wasn't cool man...
And i don't agree to using my order data for analyzing.
Very disappointed about the "joke" it wasn't cool man...
And i don't agree to using my order data for analyzing.
Very disappointed about the "joke" it wasn't cool man...
And i don't agree to using my order data for analyzing.
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data now excluded from analysis
you're welcome
The Assembly kit as it is currently depicted on the first page of this thread will most likely be the version available in the upcoming group buy. It should be affordable considering all the custom legends already exist from GMK Space Cadet. I might revise if necessary once I've received pricing.
I don't get how anybody can see the 7bit method and don't realise that was a joke. The amount of salt here is a bit ridiculous.
Didn’t the April Fools GB have text arrows by default? I didn’t see anyone complain.
Same deal with the Space Cadet set. It was like 600 base set with text arrows. Less than 100 went for Icon Mod kit with arrows.
There are a lot of acquired taste in this game so I understand skepticism toward text arrows, but you won’t notice after a while since it is consistent and natural with the rest of the set.
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.Just put the text arrows in another kit so the minority could reach maybe the moq to buy it if they want (pretty sure it will make the MOQ).
I'm ok with icon or text arrows in either base or separate kit since I already know I'm getting both, but is it really the minority that wants text arrows? 436 buyers out of the entire SA Oblivion run got the icon arrows kit, which looks like it is less than a majority. The data from the OBLIVION_V2_GROUP_BUY will probably shed some light on this question too.
The real decision will probably boil down to cost, I'd imagine. Since icon legends are the default gmk option, won't text arrows add to the cost of the base kit? For that reason I'd advocate for keeping icons in the base kit. Otherwise the theme of the set is way more consistent with text arrows.
Vote for your preferred arrow style:
https://www.strawpoll.me/17736353
Vote for your preferred arrow style:
https://www.strawpoll.me/17736353
Is this taking into account where we prefer said arrow style? As in, preferred arrow style for the base kit, or just in general?
Imho is more consistent with icon arrows due the theme of the set, even tho there are no other icons, it is just more aesthetic.
Regarding which one is more popular, no doubt about icons arrow , which was always the standard and most used arrows in GMK
In the context of this set, text makes sense, but you should also fix the numpad icons if you change the arrows.
I can see why text arrows on Space Cadet pose a problem. At minimum the legends could have been white to add contrast to the arrow cluster, for compact layouts.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/I2aF7K2.png)
I think isolated arrow clusters look fine with text, too, but again it depends on preference.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/oAU4fWA.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/oJ39DdX.png)In the context of this set, text makes sense, but you should also fix the numpad icons if you change the arrows.
Which numpad icons need to be adjusted? The mathematical symbols like + and *? There aren't any arrow icons on the 2/4/6/8 numpad keys, so that wouldn't clash. The numpad's math symbols are no different from the number row symbols between backspace and ~, so those symbols shouldn't cause any issues either.
Vote for your preferred arrow style:
https://www.strawpoll.me/17736353
I knew the GB thread was 1 April joke but as I've seen all the serious replies, I was on the fence to believe it's real Haha.Sheet, I didn‘t / couldn‘t join the carbon drop but wanted to go for only this salty set. Then totally forgot about it. WHY did you have to show that here?? Now I‘m salty as well..! ;P
Anyway the salt is real.Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190403/d089ee32365e413d6b0c5981da463fb9.jpg)
Probably available in the next recap sale (aka Yanbo's salt mine because it produces salt too :)) )
Next MD Recap in June/July should have this kit, I think.I knew the GB thread was 1 April joke but as I've seen all the serious replies, I was on the fence to believe it's real Haha.Sheet, I didn‘t / couldn‘t join the carbon drop but wanted to go for only this salty set. Then totally forgot about it. WHY did you have to show that here?? Now I‘m salty as well..! ;P
Anyway the salt is real.Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190403/d089ee32365e413d6b0c5981da463fb9.jpg)
Probably available in the next recap sale (aka Yanbo's salt mine because it produces salt too :)) )
Am I blind? Where is the poll? I need to vote no on those Fugly text arrows.
Thanks!
Vote for your preferred arrow style:
https://www.strawpoll.me/17736353
sort of want icons in a kit so I could just buy as many as I needed to cover all the kits I order.
sort of want icons in a kit so I could just buy as many as I needed to cover all the kits I order.
[laughs in kit split costs]
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Played around with animation, Oblivion V360
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Played around with animation, Oblivion V360
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Played around with animation, Oblivion V360
wao pogchamp
Is that an lz cls or just a random tkl?Show Image(https://giant.gfycat.com/DishonestFailingFoxterrier.gif)
Played around with animation, Oblivion V360
wao pogchamp
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Is that an lz cls or just a random tkl?Show Image(https://giant.gfycat.com/DishonestFailingFoxterrier.gif)
Played around with animation, Oblivion V360
wao pogchamp
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Jane V2, higher res attached below
Is that an lz cls or just a random tkl?Show Image(https://giant.gfycat.com/DishonestFailingFoxterrier.gif)
Played around with animation, Oblivion V360
wao pogchamp
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Jane V2, higher res attached below
Hypnotizingly beautiful.
Any chance of getting some Assembly Board Renders? Planck/Preonic, UniGo66, Pearl, ect.?
Vote is over, 72% want Icon Arrows, 21% want Text Arrows, 7% don't give a ****.
Therefor:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9gFwywu.png)
Why: Pleases both sides, and now enables the purchase of Base Kit + Modifier Kit + Hagoromo Alphas to fill a 104key/TKL and a 65% simultaneously. Also 1u keys are cheapo. Base Kit now has 148 keys, pretty good still.
Vote is over, 72% want Icon Arrows, 21% want Text Arrows, 7% don't give a ****.
Therefor:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9gFwywu.png)
Why: Pleases both sides, and now enables the purchase of Base Kit + Modifier Kit + Hagoromo Alphas to fill a 104key/TKL and a 65% simultaneously. Also 1u keys are cheapo. Base Kit now has 148 keys, pretty good still.
Vote is over, 72% want Icon Arrows, 21% want Text Arrows, 7% don't give a ****.
Therefor:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9gFwywu.png)
Why: Pleases both sides, and now enables the purchase of Base Kit + Modifier Kit + Hagoromo Alphas to fill a 104key/TKL and a 65% simultaneously. Also 1u keys are cheapo. Base Kit now has 148 keys, pretty good still.
Vote is over, 72% want Icon Arrows, 21% want Text Arrows, 7% don't give a ****.
Therefor:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9gFwywu.png)
Why: Pleases both sides, and now enables the purchase of Base Kit + Modifier Kit + Hagoromo Alphas to fill a 104key/TKL and a 65% simultaneously. Also 1u keys are cheapo. Base Kit now has 148 keys, pretty good still.
Includes 2 sets of arrows but doesn't include ISO in base set. I'm clueless now...Yeah I use iso and found this a little disappointing, still looking forward to the set though!
(I personally don't use it, but it just doesn't make sense to me :P)
With the currently proposed kits, is it possible to have regular modifiers with ISO-UK support? It seems neither the Regular Modifiers kit or the NorDeUK kit contain the regular (non-monochrome) modifiers to achieve this. Return, LShift and AltGr come to mind.
Includes 2 sets of arrows but doesn't include ISO in base set. I'm clueless now...
(I personally don't use it, but it just doesn't make sense to me :P)
However due to the additional cost of having to buy Regular Modifiers separately I don't expect them to come even close to half the units of the Base Kit. Probably 25-30% of the Base Kit units while Monochrome makes up another 15-20%.
However due to the additional cost of having to buy Regular Modifiers separately I don't expect them to come even close to half the units of the Base Kit. Probably 25-30% of the Base Kit units while Monochrome makes up another 15-20%.
In the first part of that statement, are you saying that due to the additional cost of the Regular Modifiers kit that a good portion of people aren't going to purchase it? If so, that's probably true. If the Base Kit comes with the Git Modifiers, that will be what I purchase.
Is there any chance we can get basic iso support in the main kit?
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However due to the additional cost of having to buy Regular Modifiers separately I don't expect them to come even close to half the units of the Base Kit. Probably 25-30% of the Base Kit units while Monochrome makes up another 15-20%.
In the first part of that statement, are you saying that due to the additional cost of the Regular Modifiers kit that a good portion of people aren't going to purchase it? If so, that's probably true. If the Base Kit comes with the Git Modifiers, that will be what I purchase.
Yes, people that would normally go for Regular Modifiers will settle on the Git Modifiers because they are in the Base Kit, as they do not want to spend the extra money on the Regular Modifiers Kit in addition to the Git Base Kit.
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Thank you for patiently awaiting the results of the data analysis. I curated the posts to sort out meme replies and a couple unrealistic/nonsensical orders (sorry mike, you'd probably order quite a few base kits for retail indeed, but I removed your order of 480 of them). Here are the results, which I deem fairly accurate:
Total order posts: 632Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/fWUkj6N.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/5AaPbqb.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/MxcD3qY.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ePItR4Q.png)
Full spread sheet with all kit quantities here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bB9cWPiPfLxQJJRZyQrTcFXt4bmpbrrNA6wKmVcUYBo/edit?usp=sharing
My takeaway: The current lineup of kits as proposed in the first pose are spot on. Git outweighed Regular Modifiers by a good bit, which surprises me. Possible factors for this: #1 R1 already exists with Regular Modifiers, so Git is new #2 Massdrop (where I took the 60% Regular and 40% Git number from the SA Oblivion group buy) consists of more 'normies', less enthusiasts who prefer something different. So if taken all future buyers into account, the preference might be more evened out. However due to the additional cost of having to buy Regular Modifiers separately I don't expect them to come even close to half the units of the Base Kit. Probably 25-30% of the Base Kit units while Monochrome makes up another 15-20%.
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/k6KtiVx.png)
Thank you for patiently awaiting the results of the data analysis. I curated the posts to sort out meme replies and a couple unrealistic/nonsensical orders (sorry mike, you'd probably order quite a few base kits for retail indeed, but I removed your order of 480 of them). Here are the results, which I deem fairly accurate:
Total order posts: 632Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/fWUkj6N.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/5AaPbqb.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/MxcD3qY.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ePItR4Q.png)
Full spread sheet with all kit quantities here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bB9cWPiPfLxQJJRZyQrTcFXt4bmpbrrNA6wKmVcUYBo/edit?usp=sharing
My takeaway: The current lineup of kits as proposed in the first pose are spot on. Git outweighed Regular Modifiers by a good bit, which surprises me. Possible factors for this: #1 R1 already exists with Regular Modifiers, so Git is new #2 Massdrop (where I took the 60% Regular and 40% Git number from the SA Oblivion group buy) consists of more 'normies', less enthusiasts who prefer something different. So if taken all future buyers into account, the preference might be more evened out. However due to the additional cost of having to buy Regular Modifiers separately I don't expect them to come even close to half the units of the Base Kit. Probably 25-30% of the Base Kit units while Monochrome makes up another 15-20%.
It's obviously more work, but ideally you'd look at the most frequent combinations, not just the most frequent kits.
In the assembly section, can you clarify what you mean by Ergodox? I remember that there was an Assembly option that included Ergodox keys as well as some more r4 keys for boards with a more traditional r4 layout like the Boardwalk PCB. Does the Ergodox section in the pie chart also contain these Assembly orders? Thanks!
de·fraudPromising a 10% discount, make people spent time to choose kits, sure it is a joke, not a f**king SCAM.
I have collected exactly 0 of any currency. Please elaborate how this qualifies as a Scam.
Sure! Checking wiki... oops a SCAM means "an attempt to defraud a person or group after first gaining their confidence", and I believe wiki lies since it DOES NOT mention that person must earns some money.
Sorry I'm wrong, you don't earn any money, defraud and waste our fools' time is no problem and nothing to do with a SCAM.
One caveat to go with the data is that it doesn't include responses from the big-brained people who weren't fooled by the post. I think it's fair to assume that those big-brained people would all purchase regular modifiers. That is all, thanks.
i think we all know that MD and big braned don't belong in the same sentenceOne caveat to go with the data is that it doesn't include responses from the big-brained people who weren't fooled by the post. I think it's fair to assume that those big-brained people would all purchase regular modifiers. That is all, thanks.
Basically this. Maybe start a poll on MD- after all that’s where this is gonna be sold
One caveat to go with the data is that it doesn't include responses from the big-brained people who weren't fooled by the post. I think it's fair to assume that those big-brained people would all purchase regular modifiers. That is all, thanks.
One caveat to go with the data is that it doesn't include responses from the big-brained people who weren't fooled by the post. I think it's fair to assume that those big-brained people would all purchase regular modifiers. That is all, thanks.
It would be balanced out by all the galaxy-brained git mods people who weren't fooled by the joke so put regular mods.
Git outweighed Regular Modifiers by a good bit, which surprises me. Possible factors for this: #1 R1 already exists with Regular Modifiers, so Git is new #2 Massdrop (where I took the 60% Regular and 40% Git number from the SA Oblivion group buy) consists of more 'normies', less enthusiasts who prefer something different.
You shouldn't be too surprised :) You've made clear that Git modifiers would be used the in set for quite a while now. A number of people who don't like Git modifiers would have stopped following/visting the threads for this set a long time ago, and would not have voted in this poll. This surely accounts for some of the difference?
One caveat to go with the data is that it doesn't include responses from the big-brained people who weren't fooled by the post. I think it's fair to assume that those big-brained people would all purchase regular modifiers. That is all, thanks.
Were mod coloured tilde and pipe considered for the Monochrome and Regular kits? I know they're technically not mods but it would allow people to use them with Hagoromo alphas/cadet if they prefer those keys to be the same colour as mods.Good catch. I would also like this.
Can we buy this set already
what about two base?
However due to the additional cost of having to buy Regular Modifiers separately I don't expect them to come even close to half the units of the Base Kit. Probably 25-30% of the Base Kit units while Monochrome makes up another 15-20%.
In the first part of that statement, are you saying that due to the additional cost of the Regular Modifiers kit that a good portion of people aren't going to purchase it? If so, that's probably true. If the Base Kit comes with the Git Modifiers, that will be what I purchase.
Yes, people that would normally go for Regular Modifiers will settle on the Git Modifiers because they are in the Base Kit, as they do not want to spend the extra money on the Regular Modifiers Kit in addition to the Git Base Kit.
However due to the additional cost of having to buy Regular Modifiers separately I don't expect them to come even close to half the units of the Base Kit. Probably 25-30% of the Base Kit units while Monochrome makes up another 15-20%.
In the first part of that statement, are you saying that due to the additional cost of the Regular Modifiers kit that a good portion of people aren't going to purchase it? If so, that's probably true. If the Base Kit comes with the Git Modifiers, that will be what I purchase.
Yes, people that would normally go for Regular Modifiers will settle on the Git Modifiers because they are in the Base Kit, as they do not want to spend the extra money on the Regular Modifiers Kit in addition to the Git Base Kit.
But we'll do a poll for text arrows and make other additions to the set, but still no budge on forcing those git modifiers in the base kit.
Nothing like having to settle on a $150+ set with mods you don't want when your other options are $250+ on mechmarket or just buy all the mod kits in this drop.
Iono why people are complaining so much. No one is going to really look at the words on their modifiers and obsess over it after day 1. At that point you probably have some weird psychological disorder called first world problem syndrome. It's the same damn colors.
One caveat to go with the data is that it doesn't include responses from the big-brained people who weren't fooled by the post. I think it's fair to assume that those big-brained people would all purchase regular modifiers. That is all, thanks.
However due to the additional cost of having to buy Regular Modifiers separately I don't expect them to come even close to half the units of the Base Kit. Probably 25-30% of the Base Kit units while Monochrome makes up another 15-20%.
In the first part of that statement, are you saying that due to the additional cost of the Regular Modifiers kit that a good portion of people aren't going to purchase it? If so, that's probably true. If the Base Kit comes with the Git Modifiers, that will be what I purchase.
Yes, people that would normally go for Regular Modifiers will settle on the Git Modifiers because they are in the Base Kit, as they do not want to spend the extra money on the Regular Modifiers Kit in addition to the Git Base Kit.
But we'll do a poll for text arrows and make other additions to the set, but still no budge on forcing those git modifiers in the base kit.
Nothing like having to settle on a $150+ set with mods you don't want when your other options are $250+ on mechmarket or just buy all the mod kits in this drop.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/fWUkj6N.png)
However due to the additional cost of having to buy Regular Modifiers separately I don't expect them to come even close to half the units of the Base Kit. Probably 25-30% of the Base Kit units while Monochrome makes up another 15-20%.
In the first part of that statement, are you saying that due to the additional cost of the Regular Modifiers kit that a good portion of people aren't going to purchase it? If so, that's probably true. If the Base Kit comes with the Git Modifiers, that will be what I purchase.
Yes, people that would normally go for Regular Modifiers will settle on the Git Modifiers because they are in the Base Kit, as they do not want to spend the extra money on the Regular Modifiers Kit in addition to the Git Base Kit.
But we'll do a poll for text arrows and make other additions to the set, but still no budge on forcing those git modifiers in the base kit.
Nothing like having to settle on a $150+ set with mods you don't want when your other options are $250+ on mechmarket or just buy all the mod kits in this drop.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/fWUkj6N.png)
A pie chart from an April fool's joke? Surely that's valid data.
However due to the additional cost of having to buy Regular Modifiers separately I don't expect them to come even close to half the units of the Base Kit. Probably 25-30% of the Base Kit units while Monochrome makes up another 15-20%.
In the first part of that statement, are you saying that due to the additional cost of the Regular Modifiers kit that a good portion of people aren't going to purchase it? If so, that's probably true. If the Base Kit comes with the Git Modifiers, that will be what I purchase.
Yes, people that would normally go for Regular Modifiers will settle on the Git Modifiers because they are in the Base Kit, as they do not want to spend the extra money on the Regular Modifiers Kit in addition to the Git Base Kit.
But we'll do a poll for text arrows and make other additions to the set, but still no budge on forcing those git modifiers in the base kit.
Nothing like having to settle on a $150+ set with mods you don't want when your other options are $250+ on mechmarket or just buy all the mod kits in this drop.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/fWUkj6N.png)
A pie chart from an April fool's joke? Surely that's valid data.
oblotzky big gay
One caveat to go with the data is that it doesn't include responses from the big-brained people who weren't fooled by the post. I think it's fair to assume that those big-brained people would all purchase regular modifiers. That is all, thanks.
Big brained people goes for git modifiers because there is an high chance that they are developers and use GIT everyday. In general, a good amount of the keeb nerds here are into IT/developer jobs and/or had to do anything with GIT.
Basically every other set has regular mods, this doesn't, and apparently the majority wants git modifiers.
Personally can't understand why you would want git commands as modifiers, it's not like the keys they are mapped to even correspond to the commands but it seems like there are a decent amount of people that like it so fair enough (I guess it's something different).
Personally can't understand why you would want git commands as modifiers, it's not like the keys they are mapped to even correspond to the commands but it seems like there are a decent amount of people that like it so fair enough (I guess it's something different).
Mostly A E S T H E T I C S and theme. Ultimately they are a novelty kit for touch typists who don't need to look at what modifiers keys they're pressing, or for unconventional layouts that benefit from non-standard/ambiguous labeling. Which is why I've never minded the idea of git mods as a separate kit aside from the fact I have zero use for regular mods. (Which is the opposite story for regular mods people like yourself that have no use for git mods.)
I guess it's time to repeat pages 1-10 of this thread where we decide on regular or git mods in the base kit. The regular mods people have started posting their votes, with some backlash from git mods advocates. Can we get more of the silent git mods folks to voice their desire for git mods in the base kit? A simple "+1 for git mods" seemed to work well before.
<-- +1 for idgaf, with a slight bias for git mods in the base kit since I have zero use for regular mods. As long as I get me some git mods one way or another.
e: Or we can just, you know, go with the data in both SA Oblivion and in OBLIVION_V2.
However due to the additional cost of having to buy Regular Modifiers separately I don't expect them to come even close to half the units of the Base Kit. Probably 25-30% of the Base Kit units while Monochrome makes up another 15-20%.
In the first part of that statement, are you saying that due to the additional cost of the Regular Modifiers kit that a good portion of people aren't going to purchase it? If so, that's probably true. If the Base Kit comes with the Git Modifiers, that will be what I purchase.
Yes, people that would normally go for Regular Modifiers will settle on the Git Modifiers because they are in the Base Kit, as they do not want to spend the extra money on the Regular Modifiers Kit in addition to the Git Base Kit.
But we'll do a poll for text arrows and make other additions to the set, but still no budge on forcing those git modifiers in the base kit.
Nothing like having to settle on a $150+ set with mods you don't want when your other options are $250+ on mechmarket or just buy all the mod kits in this drop.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/fWUkj6N.png)
A pie chart from an April fool's joke? Surely that's valid data.
Why would it be so invalid? Sure, it's not perfect, but I assume people still picked their preferred modifiers/alphas/cadet or normal alphas. Even if you were aware that it was a april fools, why would you 'order' Monochrome mods instead of the Regular mods you're going to actually buy later? Strawpolls are at least just as flawed due to vocal minorities that might skew a poll in their favor.
No, we've already been there and GIT mods was the majority, how many gh pages this IC needs, 40?
No, we've already been there and GIT mods was the majority, how many gh pages this IC needs, 40?
I'd rather fight it out for 40 more pages. Gotta pass the time somehow. OBLIVION_V2 gave this IC the kickstart it needed to become a comprehensive immortal arena thread in which there can be only one standing in the final post.
One caveat to go with the data is that it doesn't include responses from the big-brained people who weren't fooled by the post. I think it's fair to assume that those big-brained people would all purchase regular modifiers. That is all, thanks.
Big brained people goes for git modifiers because there is an high chance that they are developers and use GIT everyday. In general, a good amount of the keeb nerds here are into IT/developer jobs and/or had to do anything with GIT.
Basically every other set has regular mods, this doesn't, and apparently the majority wants git modifiers.
Any chance for some Vim keys to accompany the programming theme?
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Any chance for some Vim keys to accompany the programming theme?
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wait they're not already there?
Any chance for some Vim keys to accompany the programming theme?
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wait they're not already there?
The cadet arrows are on ghjk + aren't in the right order to work for VIM and there doesn't seem to be any other VIM kits I can spot. I'd be awfully tempted by one tho
Aside from that, and to keep rehashing the git mods, I really like the range of colours but hate the git terms (speaking as someone who also uses it everyday). Didn't get my order in on time in the April Fools GB to impact the numbers either :(
I do like the Assembly mods however, so I might just grab that by itself
they should be added in their own kit for the massdrop gb
i'll harass oblotzky about it until he eventually caves or politely asks me to stop
There's a huge bias when something is presented as the default choice so the data might not mean much.
Any chance for some Vim keys to accompany the programming theme?
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wait they're not already there?
The cadet arrows are on ghjk + aren't in the right order to work for VIM and there doesn't seem to be any other VIM kits I can spot. I'd be awfully tempted by one tho
Aside from that, and to keep rehashing the git mods, I really like the range of colours but hate the git terms (speaking as someone who also uses it everyday). Didn't get my order in on time in the April Fools GB to impact the numbers either :(
I do like the Assembly mods however, so I might just grab that by itself
they should be added in their own kit for the massdrop gb
i'll harass oblotzky about it until he eventually caves or politely asks me to stop
There's a huge bias when something is presented as the default choice so the data might not mean much.
All modifier and alpha colors/types were equally represented in the april fools GB. There was no forced Git Base to build upon as it is going to be for the MD buy.Any chance for some Vim keys to accompany the programming theme?
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wait they're not already there?
The cadet arrows are on ghjk + aren't in the right order to work for VIM and there doesn't seem to be any other VIM kits I can spot. I'd be awfully tempted by one tho
Aside from that, and to keep rehashing the git mods, I really like the range of colours but hate the git terms (speaking as someone who also uses it everyday). Didn't get my order in on time in the April Fools GB to impact the numbers either :(
I do like the Assembly mods however, so I might just grab that by itself
they should be added in their own kit for the massdrop gb
i'll harass oblotzky about it until he eventually caves or politely asks me to stop
I had one in the lineup initially before I opened the IC, but I chose to discard it in fear of Carbon-syndrome where people overload their cart and then back out because "this set is way too expensive if I try to buy everything". Maybe I'll bring it back though.
Pie chart shows 52% want non-git and 48% want git :thinking:
Pie chart shows 52% want non-git and 48% want git :thinking:
So then we should have combined monochrome/regular mods in the base kit. :confused:
Pie chart shows 52% want non-git and 48% want git :thinking:
So then we should have combined monochrome/regular mods in the base kit. :confused:
Would need to look at second preferences. Suspect monochrome preferences will flow to regular.
Pie chart shows 52% want non-git and 48% want git :thinking:
So then we should have combined monochrome/regular mods in the base kit. :confused:
Would need to look at second preferences. Suspect monochrome preferences will flow to regular.
wut? Let it go man...
Pie chart shows 52% want non-git and 48% want git :thinking:
So then we should have combined monochrome/regular mods in the base kit. :confused:
Would need to look at second preferences. Suspect monochrome preferences will flow to regular.
wut? Let it go man...
I think OP wanting the git mods inthe base is enough to end the discussion on it, but if it’s going to be discussed, his point is valid. Were there no monochrome option, it would be >50% wanting regular mod legends vs <50% wanting git mods.
I think OP wanting the git mods inthe base is enough to end the discussion on it, but if it’s going to be discussed, his point is valid. Were there no monochrome option, it would be >50% wanting regular mod legends vs <50% wanting git mods.
I suggest we run the poll again with the choice of:
GIT mods,
monochrome GIT mods,
regular mods,
monochrome mods,
colored icon mods,
monochrome icon mods,
colored traditional Cherry mods,
monochrome traditional Cherry mods.
:p
And Oblotzky accepts the outcome, completely ignoring his preferences.
Big-brained people also do not need to flaunt their knowledge and that they know how to use git. There are also a good amount of people and devs here who do not need to be constantly reminded of git and would appreciate simple mods.
Pie chart shows 52% want non-git and 48% want git :thinking:
So then we should have combined monochrome/regular mods in the base kit. :confused:
Would need to look at second preferences. Suspect monochrome preferences will flow to regular.
wut? Let it go man...
I think OP wanting the git mods inthe base is enough to end the discussion on it, but if it’s going to be discussed, his point is valid. Were there no monochrome option, it would be >50% wanting regular mod legends vs <50% wanting git mods.
So people are going to be pissed off no matter what Oblotzky chooses to be in the base kit, so he should just choose what he wants. Am I reading that right? :D
So people are going to be pissed off no matter what Oblotzky chooses to be in the base kit, so he should just choose what he wants. Am I reading that right? :D
Oblotzky needs to obtain the Time Stone and see 14,000,605 possibilities.
Them he may find one possible path to keep everyone happy. :p
You both seem to have forgotten the scenario where Monochrome people would just not buy anything at all if there was no Monochrome option.
You both seem to have forgotten the scenario where Monochrome people would just not buy anything at all if there was no Monochrome option.
That's a fair point. I also wonder if some of the "monochrome regular" participants would have gone with "monochrome git" if that were an option.
I've been in for git mods from the beginning, so I'm certainly not upset that I have to buy fewer kits.
I don't think it's ridiculous to have the same discussion several times in a 20+ page thread, however. People ***** about similar questions being asked in IC threads often and that could easily be solved by the OP adding relevant answers to an FAQ section in the first post. Had I just came upon this thread, there's no way I'd be reading 20+ pages of mostly sarcastic bull**** to try to find an answer to a question.
Even before the april joke was clear (from people responses in this thread) that GIT mods were wanted more than regular mods.
I guess it's time to repeat pages 1-10 of this thread where we decide on regular or git mods in the base kit. The regular mods people have started posting their votes, with some backlash from git mods advocates. Can we get more of the silent git mods folks to voice their desire for git mods in the base kit? A simple "+1 for git mods" seemed to work well before.
People just want Oblivion, they dgaf if the novelties are part of the base set and I have a feeling that if they aren't part of the base set that you know they won't sell very well despite using data from an entirely different user base and profile (SA) buy, data from an April fool's joke thread and the few vocal minorities that keep angrily defending the decision throughout this IC.
People that already have Oblivion probably aren't going to buy another entire base set just to get the git novelties. They aren't going to buy a colored mod kit since they already have them. They will buy the git mod kit and the monochrome mods separately.
You've already stated that people are just going to default to the git mods because they aren't going to spring for the colored mods or other mod kits. If you're so g-darn sure because of your "data" that the git mods will sell so well, then why not put them in a separate kit, you know like most keysets do with the "novelties" and make an actual base kit with the colored mods?
Even before the april joke was clear (from people responses in this thread) that GIT mods were wanted more than regular mods.
Despite what you have decided to acknowledge, there are pages and pages of people asking for regular mods in the base, and git only being defended by the same few people over and over (including the designer unfortunately, haha!)I guess it's time to repeat pages 1-10 of this thread where we decide on regular or git mods in the base kit. The regular mods people have started posting their votes, with some backlash from git mods advocates. Can we get more of the silent git mods folks to voice their desire for git mods in the base kit? A simple "+1 for git mods" seemed to work well before.
So far those asking for regular mods have far outweighed those advocating for git. For instance, since your post there have been 3 or so defending git, and 7+ advocating for regular mods.
All of which is moot, considering the decision ultimately lies with the designer, and his mind is all but made up.
One caveat to go with the data is that it doesn't include responses from the big-brained people who weren't fooled by the post. I think it's fair to assume that those big-brained people would all purchase regular modifiers. That is all, thanks.
Big brained people goes for git modifiers because there is an high chance that they are developers and use GIT everyday. In general, a good amount of the keeb nerds here are into IT/developer jobs and/or had to do anything with GIT.
Basically every other set has regular mods, this doesn't, and apparently the majority wants git modifiers.
The git people (heh, git) will speak up if OP announces that R2 will be an exact clone of R1 with standard mods and all.
So far those asking for regular mods have far outweighed those advocating for git. For instance, since your post there have been 3 or so defending git, and 7+ advocating for regular mods.
All of which is moot, considering the decision ultimately lies with the designer, and his mind is all but made up.
The git people (heh, git) will speak up if OP announces that R2 will be an exact clone of R1 with standard mods and all.
So far those asking for regular mods have far outweighed those advocating for git. For instance, since your post there have been 3 or so defending git, and 7+ advocating for regular mods.
All of which is moot, considering the decision ultimately lies with the designer, and his mind is all but made up.
Otherwise, what do we care? We’re getting exactly what we want already.
We’re busy enough saving money for all the teh kits.
The git people (heh, git) will speak up if OP announces that R2 will be an exact clone of R1 with standard mods and all.
So far those asking for regular mods have far outweighed those advocating for git. For instance, since your post there have been 3 or so defending git, and 7+ advocating for regular mods.
All of which is moot, considering the decision ultimately lies with the designer, and his mind is all but made up.
Otherwise, what do we care? We’re getting exactly what we want already.
We’re busy enough saving money for all the teh kits.
Yup. I want git, didn't feel a need to voice.
git gud
Would definitely prefer regular mods instead of git mods personally. Maybe a poll or such is in order?
Would definitely prefer regular mods instead of git mods personally. Maybe a poll or such is in order?
I think the April Fool's "group buy" is pretty strong data for the population of geekhack users that follow this IC, because everyone who made a serious reply was under the assumption that "this is it. It's finally happening." And we were all given our own choices into specific, targeted mod kits. Is that sample representative of all people that will participate in this group buy? No, since the group buy will be on massdrop, and not everyone made a post. A sample size of 632 is pretty damn big, though; the real question is the reliability of the data collection.
If you put up a poll here you'll run into similar issues in the data collection, since it is voluntary responses no matter which way you cut it. Only people who follow the IC, on geekhack, who care about this debate enough to want to shift or reaffirm the designer's vision of Oblivion V2, will care enough to respond. And it isn't at the level of "putting money down", which to me is much more reliable data than answering the hypothetical "What would you buy?" Voting with your wallet is way more significant than simple talk. That's why I keep referring back to the April Fool's and SA Oblivion data. It's the strongest indicator.
e: There's an implication in your suggestion to do a poll that I agree with: simply using replies to this thread is not a good way to answer the question of whether or not more people prefer git mods to regular mods.
+1 to git as well.A second 2 unit spacebar would be really useful for me as well
Also, it's probably a long shot, but is there any chance of having a duplicate 2u convex spacebar in either the assembly kit or the spacekeys kit? Some keyboards like Boardwalk or Planck/Preonic variants use two 2u spacebars.
Can we please stop with the +1 [insert mod preference here] posts since we've already done this once ITT
Can we please stop with the +1 [insert mod preference here] posts since we've already done this once ITT
Can we please stop with the +1 [insert mod preference here] posts since we've already done this once ITT
Just top reading the thread and you'll be fine.
Not enough love for the Norde kit recently, just saying!Why a norde kit would be great, basic support would be great to!
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april fools was 2 weeks ago
Any update on the colevrak kit? I know it isn't widely adopted, but it'd be the one thing holding me back from a true endgame. Please, help me get out!
Any update on the colevrak kit? I know it isn't widely adopted, but it'd be the one thing holding me back from a true endgame. Please, help me get out!
Ha! No one simply gets out of endgame!!
But I'm actually curious about this too.
Is this assembly kit the only GMK set to have an R1 1.5u? Either I’m not looking hard enough or this is a unicorn key.
Just sent all the kits to CK for pricing (already got an automated reply though that he's out of the office until Friday, but not a problem). I've also spoken with Yanbo last night and we have a firm launch date now, I will be sharing that with you very soon. We're almost there bois.
Is this assembly kit the only GMK set to have an R1 1.5u? Either I’m not looking hard enough or this is a unicorn key.
Only Ergodox kits offer R1 1.5u keys as far as I can remember. So yeah this Assembly kit would be one of very very few. GMK Carbon, GMK Nautilus, GMK Laser, GMK Calm Depths, GMK Space Cadet, GMK Red Samurai all had Ergodox support, might be forgetting a few.
Is this assembly kit the only GMK set to have an R1 1.5u? Either I’m not looking hard enough or this is a unicorn key.
Only Ergodox kits offer R1 1.5u keys as far as I can remember. So yeah this Assembly kit would be one of very very few. GMK Carbon, GMK Nautilus, GMK Laser, GMK Calm Depths, GMK Space Cadet, GMK Red Samurai all had Ergodox support, might be forgetting a few.
Thanks for that info! Good to know!
That’s going to be one expensive keycap but I’m just not a fan of DSA/XDA.
Is this assembly kit the only GMK set to have an R1 1.5u? Either I’m not looking hard enough or this is a unicorn key.
Only Ergodox kits offer R1 1.5u keys as far as I can remember. So yeah this Assembly kit would be one of very very few. GMK Carbon, GMK Nautilus, GMK Laser, GMK Calm Depths, GMK Space Cadet, GMK Red Samurai all had Ergodox support, might be forgetting a few.
Thanks for that info! Good to know!
That’s going to be one expensive keycap but I’m just not a fan of DSA/XDA.
R1 1.5u is a hella unicorn sculpted keycap. I had to buy an entire ergodox kit to put SA Oblivion on my Ultimate Hacking Keyboard, and would have to buy this assembly kit if I didn't already finish that board.
Please make Colevrak happen.Yes! Please T_T
Did Vim keys make the cut?
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They were in GMK Carbon R2 so maybe T0mb3ry would know?
Did Vim keys make the cut?
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I'm trying to figure out who the originator of the VIM molds is so I can get in contact with them for permission. If anyone know who specifically it is, I'd appreciate the info. I poked potatowire on Skype but he hasn't gotten back to me yet.
Did Vim keys make the cut?
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I'm trying to figure out who the originator of the VIM molds is so I can get in contact with them for permission. If anyone know who specifically it is, I'd appreciate the info. I poked potatowire on Skype but he hasn't gotten back to me yet.
Probably you know, but admgc's SA Green Screen had icon modifiers in it's VIM kit. Is admgc aka potatowire on Skype?
R1 1U SYS KEY WHEN??
Ne f13 key avail?
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Soooo can I get that R1 1u system key for my Jane CE?
R1 1U SYS KEY WHEN??Ne f13 key avail?
Sent from my Pixel 3 using TapatalkSoooo can I get that R1 1u system key for my Jane CE?
Banned from GB
Man this set is so beautifuk :eek:Looks like no 2x shift.
NorDeUk ;D
I would really like to have a 2U shift. Some kits have that. Am i just blind? :-\ I don't really care whats printed on it as long as I don't have to use the numpad zero for that and no blank key.^^
Haven't read since page 2 and i don't intend to read the 24 pages after... just want to let a "+1 for non git mods in base kit" here...
Have a nice day and see you in the groupbuy... or not :)
ISO enter in base? Pretty please? At least if you have it separately, have it as a 1 (one) key, so I don't have to buy the whole EU set along with it.
NORDE ♥
ISO enter in base? Pretty please? At least if you have it separately, have it as a 1 (one) key, so I don't have to buy the whole EU set along with it.
Then most people will skip NorDeUK kit and it won't hit MOQ.
ISO enter in base? Pretty please? At least if you have it separately, have it as a 1 (one) key, so I don't have to buy the whole EU set along with it.
Then most people will skip NorDeUK kit and it won't hit MOQ.
By that logic, you should put the ISO enter in the base set, since NORDEUK isn't guaranteed to meet MOQ. Right?
I only need a few iso keys for my UK layoutISO enter in base? Pretty please? At least if you have it separately, have it as a 1 (one) key, so I don't have to buy the whole EU set along with it.
Then most people will skip NorDeUK kit and it won't hit MOQ.
By that logic, you should put the ISO enter in the base set, since NORDEUK isn't guaranteed to meet MOQ. Right?
Seems right to me aswell... Even more if MOST people wouldn't get it because they only need the ISO enter, seems logic to not make these people buy keys they don't need..
ISO enter in base? Pretty please? At least if you have it separately, have it as a 1 (one) key, so I don't have to buy the whole EU set along with it.
Then most people will skip NorDeUK kit and it won't hit MOQ.
By that logic, you should put the ISO enter in the base set, since NORDEUK isn't guaranteed to meet MOQ. Right?
ISO enter in base? Pretty please? At least if you have it separately, have it as a 1 (one) key, so I don't have to buy the whole EU set along with it.
Then most people will skip NorDeUK kit and it won't hit MOQ.
By that logic, you should put the ISO enter in the base set, since NORDEUK isn't guaranteed to meet MOQ. Right?
I think theres enough demand for it to meet MOQ, especially with how anticipated the set is, I'm just hoping that its some time after SA laser, so that I can afford both.
It wasn't removed from the NorDeUK kit afaik.ISO enter in base? Pretty please? At least if you have it separately, have it as a 1 (one) key, so I don't have to buy the whole EU set along with it.
Then most people will skip NorDeUK kit and it won't hit MOQ.
By that logic, you should put the ISO enter in the base set, since NORDEUK isn't guaranteed to meet MOQ. Right?
I think theres enough demand for it to meet MOQ, especially with how anticipated the set is, I'm just hoping that its some time after SA laser, so that I can afford both.
Yes, but I'm pointing out the double standard of pulling ISO enter out of base, and now pulling it out of NORDEUK
Would you consider adding a r4 1.25u spacebar and/or a r4 1.75u spacebar please? Lots of splits builds now and the 40's community would also appreciate it greatly! I think Oblivion will sell enough to be able to make MOQ for this.
Would you consider adding a r4 1.25u spacebar and/or a r4 1.75u spacebar please? Lots of splits builds now and the 40's community would also appreciate it greatly! I think Oblivion will sell enough to be able to make MOQ for this.
I think you missed the Spacekeys kit?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Xr8ecbz.png)
Would you consider adding a r4 1.25u spacebar and/or a r4 1.75u spacebar please? Lots of splits builds now and the 40's community would also appreciate it greatly! I think Oblivion will sell enough to be able to make MOQ for this.
I think you missed the Spacekeys kit?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Xr8ecbz.png)
If nasp is looking for convex versions of R4 1.25U and 1.75U the problem is GMK doesn't have tooling for these yet, right? What would it take for them to make the tooling?
Would you consider adding a r4 1.25u spacebar and/or a r4 1.75u spacebar please? Lots of splits builds now and the 40's community would also appreciate it greatly! I think Oblivion will sell enough to be able to make MOQ for this.
I think you missed the Spacekeys kit?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Xr8ecbz.png)
If nasp is looking for convex versions of R4 1.25U and 1.75U the problem is GMK doesn't have tooling for these yet, right? What would it take for them to make the tooling?
Yes, that is correct. Spacebars and not space keys.
1.25u convex spacebars were in the GMK Blanks GB, so hopefully they do in fact have those molds.
i should have mentioned this in the update, but the 1.25u spacebar is definitely not happening, so if you're one of the people with those still on your order please remove them.
1.25u convex spacebars were in the GMK Blanks GB, so hopefully they do in fact have those molds.
Five days ago scud80 posted that the 1.25 convex was a no-go (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100031.msg2753873#msg2753873).i should have mentioned this in the update, but the 1.25u spacebar is definitely not happening, so if you're one of the people with those still on your order please remove them.
Hey man, loving this set
Just got one minor question regarding the kits
Assuming that I purchase
1x base set
1x regular modifiers
1x monochrome modifiers
2x hagomoro alphas
2x alternative function rows
There'll be certain keys that are only in base which are not present in any other keycap set to make this up to three 100% compatible sets, things like the navigation cluster, print, lock, pause, one set of arrow keys (As base includes 2) and the keys surrounding the numpad (With notable exceptions of Enter and Numlock).
Would it make sense to have a set which includes some of these keys so people can effectively build your own fullsize compat if they so wish from Hago alphas, modifier set, the theoretical makeup to 100% set?
Any updates now that GMK Eclipse is done?
So excited! Can't wait to match it with my PC Think6.5 :)
Going for base+regular mods+hagoromo alphas.
Go Oblotzky!
I know the NorDeUk kit is a maybe but what size is the shift/rebase button? Is it 1.25 or 1.75 :)
Thanks so much. This kit is beautiful. Hope NorDeUk kit will make it.
Could this be right after SA Laser? Fingers crossed! :thumb:
SA Laser starts in a few hours, then Oblivion in June, then Pulse, then Serika.
Doesn't sound good on my wallet though.SA Laser starts in a few hours, then Oblivion in June, then Pulse, then Serika.
Music to my ears :thumb:
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Update time: GMK Oblivion V2 will be available on Drop.com in June, right after SA Laser! I've requested pricing for all the kits from GMK and expect to have GB pricing available internally very soon for me to review. Colevrak and International (formerly known as NorDeUK) have been moved out of maybe and I expect these to be available in the drop. I might remove the Alt Graph keys from the International kit though (I requested pricing for with and without and will decide if the price difference is worth it). The MOQ for Colevrak and International will probably start at 75 units, so EU/weirdos, prepare your wallets please and prove to me that there is still enough demand for these layouts!
I will soon be adding Assembly based renders too (Ergodox/Planck).
Regarding VIM, I've added it for now, but am still trying to figure out who originated the molds. I'll be offering this kit once I've made sure I have proper permission to run it. So this one is technically a MAYBE kit.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/3baFOKP.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/PiRYVpn.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rHkUmkW.png)
Any news on using Drops EU warehouse to avoid +30% customs?
Any news on using Drops EU warehouse to avoid +30% customs?
(Mass)Drop prices are VAT exclusive, you wouldn't be avoiding VAT with a EU warehouse, they'd charge it additional then. You only save the slightly cheaper shipping (16$ from US is pretty good, you'd pay like 10$ within EU still), and whatever processing fee your customs office charges for handling the package. You wouldn't be saving 30%.
so EU/weirdos, prepare your wallets please and prove to me that there is still enough demand for these layouts!
Any news on using Drops EU warehouse to avoid +30% customs?
(Mass)Drop prices are VAT exclusive, you wouldn't be avoiding VAT with a EU warehouse, they'd charge it additional then. You only save the slightly cheaper shipping (16$ from US is pretty good, you'd pay like 10$ within EU still), and whatever processing fee your customs office charges for handling the package. You wouldn't be saving 30%.
lol euros
Could you post some information about the hagoromo colors?
I'm considering getting a set of those by themselves and match them up with modifiers from a different set.
Could you post some information about the hagoromo colors?
I'm considering getting a set of those by themselves and match them up with modifiers from a different set.
Drop the numpad and make it a kit. Get that base price down boi. :)
Being a comparative newcomer to this hobby, I wasn't familiar with this keyset in any detail prior to the April Fools post. Despite it being a purposeless exercise the motivation for which still perplexes me, I at least assumed that someone wouldn't fabricate something that complex unless, at the very least, it provided a accurate representation and preview of what the drop was really going to offer. I was very pleased to see that there was an option that would allow me to outfit a Preonic without spending lots of money on keycaps I would never use, and have waited for information on the proper group buy. Now, I see that the previous 'joke' was not only a pointless exercise, but it in no way accurately represented what I would be able to do in regard to my Preonic. Yeah, sure it was a 'joke', so I shouldn't have based my expectations on it, but it still boggles my mind that someone would go through all that effort just to produce a representation of a GB that makes the real group buy disappointing in comparison. Having to justify the time and expense that goes into fixating on little pieces of plastic that go on a keyboard is enough work given all the more serious concerns in life, but this just makes me truly wonder why I bother.
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Just like how tech companies ignore the technological limits of today and dream up Holodeck projects or otherwise unrealistic products.
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Just like how tech companies ignore the technological limits of today and dream up Holodeck projects or otherwise unrealistic products.
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Being a comparative newcomer to this hobby, I wasn't familiar with this keyset in any detail prior to the April Fools post. Despite it being a purposeless exercise the motivation for which still perplexes me, I at least assumed that someone wouldn't fabricate something that complex unless, at the very least, it provided a accurate representation and preview of what the drop was really going to offer. I was very pleased to see that there was an option that would allow me to outfit a Preonic without spending lots of money on keycaps I would never use, and have waited for information on the proper group buy. Now, I see that the previous 'joke' was not only a pointless exercise, but it in no way accurately represented what I would be able to do in regard to my Preonic. Yeah, sure it was a 'joke', so I shouldn't have based my expectations on it, but it still boggles my mind that someone would go through all that effort just to produce a representation of a GB that makes the real group buy disappointing in comparison. Having to justify the time and expense that goes into fixating on little pieces of plastic that go on a keyboard is enough work given all the more serious concerns in life, but this just makes me truly wonder why I bother.
Being a comparative newcomer to this hobby, I wasn't familiar with this keyset in any detail prior to the April Fools post. Despite it being a purposeless exercise the motivation for which still perplexes me, I at least assumed that someone wouldn't fabricate something that complex unless, at the very least, it provided a accurate representation and preview of what the drop was really going to offer. I was very pleased to see that there was an option that would allow me to outfit a Preonic without spending lots of money on keycaps I would never use, and have waited for information on the proper group buy. Now, I see that the previous 'joke' was not only a pointless exercise, but it in no way accurately represented what I would be able to do in regard to my Preonic. Yeah, sure it was a 'joke', so I shouldn't have based my expectations on it, but it still boggles my mind that someone would go through all that effort just to produce a representation of a GB that makes the real group buy disappointing in comparison. Having to justify the time and expense that goes into fixating on little pieces of plastic that go on a keyboard is enough work given all the more serious concerns in life, but this just makes me truly wonder why I bother.
put your thesaurus away
Being a comparative newcomer to this hobby, I wasn't familiar with this keyset in any detail prior to the April Fools post. Despite it being a purposeless exercise the motivation for which still perplexes me, I at least assumed that someone wouldn't fabricate something that complex unless, at the very least, it provided a accurate representation and preview of what the drop was really going to offer. I was very pleased to see that there was an option that would allow me to outfit a Preonic without spending lots of money on keycaps I would never use, and have waited for information on the proper group buy. Now, I see that the previous 'joke' was not only a pointless exercise, but it in no way accurately represented what I would be able to do in regard to my Preonic. Yeah, sure it was a 'joke', so I shouldn't have based my expectations on it, but it still boggles my mind that someone would go through all that effort just to produce a representation of a GB that makes the real group buy disappointing in comparison. Having to justify the time and expense that goes into fixating on little pieces of plastic that go on a keyboard is enough work given all the more serious concerns in life, but this just makes me truly wonder why I bother.
put your thesaurus away
Now now. No need to be contumelious.
Hey Oblotzky, would you consider changing the Page↵Up and Page↵Down legends to Pg Up and Pg Dn? With this small change, all the legends in the Git base kit would be single-line, which looks cleaner imo.
The Regular mods kit has Num↵Lock and Caps↵Lock (stepped). You could replace these legends with Num and Caps, respectively, to be consistent with the above changes. Finally, while you're at it, consider using Scroll instead of Lock, since the latter is a bit ambiguous: there are three Locks on the board, but only one Scroll Lock.
This is how Janglad did the legends on his recent sets, and I think it works and looks great.
Minor semantic quibble: "VIM" is more correctly written "Vim", even though it's technically a contraction, like "scuba", "radar", and "laser".
Writing "VIM" is like writing "Alps" as "ALPS" or "ALPs".
Are these looking to drop early june? :-X
Alt Gr is a must.
Alt Gr is a must.
but it does the same thing whether or not you have the legend
Alt Gr is a must.
but it does the same thing whether or not you have the legend
Then what's the point of custom keysets at all.
Alt Gr is a must.
but it does the same thing whether or not you have the legend
@Oblotzky do you already know if there will be moq's on the kits? Cause Mito from SA Laser said that his kit that's currently on sale doesn't have any MOQ's to reach. Every kit is going to be produced regardless of the quantity.
@Oblotzky do you already know if there will be moq's on the kits? Cause Mito from SA Laser said that his kit that's currently on sale doesn't have any MOQ's to reach. Every kit is going to be produced regardless of the quantity.
MOQ's do exist even for Laser, it's just obvious on that set that all kits are hitting theirs so there's no need to seed doubt in peoples minds that something might actually get canceled. (Mass)Drop helps out here and there if it makes financial sense, but there have been kits in the past that had to be removed (e.g. 40s and Ergodox kits on SA Green Screen).
GMK Oblivion V2 will have MOQ's.
Thanks for the graphs dvorcol, it's nice to see data on previous sets.
The MOQ for Colevrak and International will probably start at 75 units, so EU/weirdos, prepare your wallets please and prove to me that there is still enough demand for these layouts!75 for the International is tough. But then again this kit will be insanely popular... Anyways, I'm prepared to order a few of those International kits, if it gets too close :-P
Could you sell the individual keys according to the request when this GB opened?
You will only be able to purchase the kits as shown in the first post. Offering single keys would be a logistical nightmare.
You will only be able to purchase the kits as shown in the first post. Offering single keys would be a logistical nightmare.
It seemed to have worked back in April; you just gotta believe. We need a second round of the OBLIVION_V2 Group Buy.
Good day. Please add 8U spacebar support so I can use it with my Reuters 9009. Thanks a lot.Show Image(https://archive.org/download/youtube-N8FXw_QelQc/youtube-N8FXw_QelQc.thumbs/Cherry_G80-9009_HAG_review_Cherry_MX_Clear-N8FXw_QelQc_000031.jpg)Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/388851793637146624/577069375006310411/unknown.png)
Good day. Please add 8U spacebar support so I can use it with my Reuters 9009. Thanks a lot.Show Image(https://archive.org/download/youtube-N8FXw_QelQc/youtube-N8FXw_QelQc.thumbs/Cherry_G80-9009_HAG_review_Cherry_MX_Clear-N8FXw_QelQc_000031.jpg)Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/388851793637146624/577069375006310411/unknown.png)
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You will only be able to purchase the kits as shown in the first post. Offering single keys would be a logistical nightmare.
It seemed to have worked back in April; you just gotta believe. We need a second round of the OBLIVION_V2 Group Buy.
OBLIVION_V2_R2 confirmed
Would it be possible to split international and make ISO UK kit?Yes please!
Now that this set is happening very soon...finally. When can we expect SA Oblivion R2/V2??
Would it be possible to split international and make ISO UK kit?Yes please!
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I do understand the issues with mow and how it we split it up they will never hit the required, more of a pipe dream if anything, really looking forward to this set still!Would it be possible to split international and make ISO UK kit?Yes please!
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You guys seem completely oblivious (heh) to the MOQ issue that ISO kits are facing, and you want to split up the buyers for those kits up even more now? There's literally 0 chance of either of the kits hitting 75 units if we split them into UK and NorDe as well now...
In other news, Git Base Kit fills Jane v2 CE nicelyShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/vMWVPqL.png)
In more other news: VIM kit confirmedShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/M7Oea7x.png)
2 weeks left, get hyped?
In other news, Git Base Kit fills Jane v2 CE nicely
https://i.imgur.com/vMWVPqL.png (https://i.imgur.com/vMWVPqL.png)
I see that the OP doesn't have an 8Bit Upgrade kit. Dissapointed.
$20 says ISO kit doesn't hit MOQ without Drop buying them out lul
and also the keycap bazaar will have dead stock of them for years to come
Would it be possible to split international and make ISO UK kit?Yes please!
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You guys seem completely oblivious (heh) to the MOQ issue that ISO kits are facing, and you want to split up the buyers for those kits up even more now? There's literally 0 chance of either of the kits hitting 75 units if we split them into UK and NorDe as well now...
llet‘s talk about Andromeda, I have never seen it except in renders
Will it be too much to ask to get Hello World key added to regular mods?
Received pricing for the current lineup today. Gonna make some changes. Stay tuned.
Please please please - 2U shift/rebase key somewhere.
hope im not too late but would be great if you could make the blue accent keys available on their own or in the base setYou’re definitely too late.
I know it's a bit late but, Any chance of adding a Ñ letter to the international kit?Sorry, I must ask again
hope im not too late but would be great if you could make the blue accent keys available on their own or in the base set
I know it's a bit late but, Any chance of adding a Ñ letter to the international kit?Sorry, I must ask again
Bummed out that I have to buy an extra kit on top of assembly to get 2 row 4 1.5u mods but I think it will be easy enough to find the rest of the kit a new home.
Either way, very excited to have a GMK set that supports ergo layouts and is in my favourite colourway :cool:
How much will it cost for a git base and a regular modifiers?
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Spanish layout support would require way too many keys to be added to the kit. And out of the 37 international kits that were sold for SA The Amazing Chocolatier, only one shipped to Spain, so demand for that language is probably just you and 2 others for Oblivion. Sorry.
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Spanish layout support would require way too many keys to be added to the kit. And out of the 37 international kits that were sold for SA The Amazing Chocolatier, only one shipped to Spain, so demand for that language is probably just you and 2 others for Oblivion. Sorry.
Thanks for your answer. In fact you only need the Ñ to cover the Spanish Layout. The International kit has already everything I need except for the Ñ. Anyway, I'm aware that all is about demand, but I had to try :) . If I decided, I would go for the Assembly + International + Space keys
It might not be correct, but one of those keys is significantly more "important" than the rest. People make due substituting 'alt' for alt graph and juggle slashes and backslashes, so I suspect many are more concerned with "covering all letters" (in this case Ñ and maybe Ç?) than matching number row sub-legends or punctuation marks. Ortho users still pay for 40s/ergo kits that feature 5 different enters and 4 escapes despite the fact that some don't use any of them, so it seems reasonable that most prefer some coverage to nothing, even if said coverage isn't perfect.
Spanish layout support would require way too many keys to be added to the kit. And out of the 37 international kits that were sold for SA The Amazing Chocolatier, only one shipped to Spain, so demand for that language is probably just you and 2 others for Oblivion. Sorry.
Thanks for your answer. In fact you only need the Ñ to cover the Spanish Layout. The International kit has already everything I need except for the Ñ. Anyway, I'm aware that all is about demand, but I had to try :) . If I decided, I would go for the Assembly + International + Space keys
Counting with the previous kits already in the kit:
For ISO-ES it would be required to add 11 additional keys (as Oblotzky is including Alt Gr):
R1: º ª \, 1 ! |, 3 · #, 6 & ¬, ' ?, ¡ ¿,
R2: ` ^ [, + * ]
R3: Ñ, ´ ¨, Ç
For LATAM-ES, it would be 7 keys:
R1: \ º ¬, ' ? \, ¿ ¡ (this last is different from the one used by ISO-ES!)
R2: ´ ¨
R3: Ñ, {[^, }]`
Adding just Ñ is not enough, or correct.
If a language is going to be supported, it has to be properly supported. Incomplete layout support is not an option, and when people get their kits after the set ships just to find out that those keys are missing (because most people trust the designer when saying that it supports Spanish or see one or two keys of their layout), Drop will get some heated complains and Oblotzky will get the blame.It might not be correct, but one of those keys is significantly more "important" than the rest. People make due substituting 'alt' for alt graph and juggle slashes and backslashes, so I suspect many are more concerned with "covering all letters" (in this case Ñ and maybe Ç?) than matching number row sub-legends or punctuation marks. Ortho users still pay for 40s/ergo kits that feature 5 different enters and 4 escapes despite the fact that some don't use any of them, so it seems reasonable that most prefer some coverage to nothing, even if said coverage isn't perfect.
Spanish layout support would require way too many keys to be added to the kit. And out of the 37 international kits that were sold for SA The Amazing Chocolatier, only one shipped to Spain, so demand for that language is probably just you and 2 others for Oblivion. Sorry.
Thanks for your answer. In fact you only need the Ñ to cover the Spanish Layout. The International kit has already everything I need except for the Ñ. Anyway, I'm aware that all is about demand, but I had to try :) . If I decided, I would go for the Assembly + International + Space keys
Counting with the previous kits already in the kit:
For ISO-ES it would be required to add 11 additional keys (as Oblotzky is including Alt Gr):
R1: º ª \, 1 ! |, 3 · #, 6 & ¬, ' ?, ¡ ¿,
R2: ` ^ [, + * ]
R3: Ñ, ´ ¨, Ç
For LATAM-ES, it would be 7 keys:
R1: \ º ¬, ' ? \, ¿ ¡ (this last is different from the one used by ISO-ES!)
R2: ´ ¨
R3: Ñ, {[^, }]`
Adding just Ñ is not enough, or correct.
That said I don't know what the demand would be for a language kit that offered partial coverage for more layouts instead of more in-depth coverage for fewer, and there's a good chance the current arrangement is the best... I just wanted to insist that SOME COVERAGE > NO COVERAGE despite what a handful of perfectionists say.
Counting with the previous kits already in the kit:
For ISO-ES it would be required to add 11 additional keys (as Oblotzky is including Alt Gr):
R1: º ª \, 1 ! |, 3 · #, 6 & ¬, ' ?, ¡ ¿,
R2: ` ^ [, + * ]
R3: Ñ, ´ ¨, Ç
For LATAM-ES, it would be 7 keys:
R1: \ º ¬, ' ? \, ¿ ¡ (this last is different from the one used by ISO-ES!)
R2: ´ ¨
R3: Ñ, {[^, }]`
Adding just Ñ is not enough, or correct.
It's not entirely correct but it's enough if you use QMK.
Anyways, I think it's most likely reaching the MOQ without "Alt Gr" legends and with real International support.
So should these kits end up in the GB, consider this your only chance to ever buy a GMK Oblivion set with Colevrak/NorDeUK support. Sorry if that sounds like a threat or so, but you are an endangered species. Thank you.Thanks for thinking of us, daddy. I'm in
With that approach... you can just use what's in the base kit.
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For the exact Git mods, yes.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/OAgiCqy.png)
Would we be able to buy this exact color combo as a kit or will we have to mix and match the hagomoro with the base kit?
For the exact Git mods, yes.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/OAgiCqy.png)
Would we be able to buy this exact color combo as a kit or will we have to mix and match the hagomoro with the base kit?
If you can abide with regular mods, you’ll save some money.
For the exact Git mods, yes.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/OAgiCqy.png)
Would we be able to buy this exact color combo as a kit or will we have to mix and match the hagomoro with the base kit?
If you can abide with regular mods, you’ll save some money.
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I wonder if the Vim kit will be a breakout hit. I’m mostly a PBT fan, but those Vim keycap tho.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/jNff1dw.png)
For the exact Git mods, yes.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/OAgiCqy.png)
Would we be able to buy this exact color combo as a kit or will we have to mix and match the hagomoro with the base kit?
If you can abide with regular mods, you’ll save some money.
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I wonder if the Vim kit will be a breakout hit. I’m mostly a PBT fan, but those Vim keycap tho.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/jNff1dw.png)
I don't mind Git vs Regular, just really like the color contrast with black/white. Thanks for the reply!
Bummed out that I have to buy an extra kit on top of assembly to get 2 row 4 1.5u mods but I think it will be easy enough to find the rest of the kit a new home.
Either way, very excited to have a GMK set that supports ergo layouts and is in my favourite colourway :cool:
What board are you building?
What's the lead time gonna be for this because I think it's going to sell a lot of units.
Just curious, but any pricing details yet?
Big update. I received the pricing of the kits last week, went over the spreadsheet and played out different scenarios in my head for the average consumer. I just wasn't happy with the total that too many people would end up having to pay. The Git Base Kit is solid with a very good entry price at 250 units, and so is the Assembly Kit at 100 units already. However if your preference was on Regular/Monochrome Modifiers, you'd easily break 200$ at initial price points already, and that's a price that should be reserved for aftermarket if anything. And people that wanted Regular Mods with Hagoromo Alphas on a TKL had a even worse time since they had to buy the Base Kit just for the Nav keys. Obviously I knew this was coming, it was easy to predict these pricing with old GB's for reference, it was just different now seeing the actual prices in the spreadsheet and tallying them up in my head and I wasn't happy. Therefor, I am making the following changes:
- I've removed the Regular and Monochrome Modifier Addon kits, instead they are now simply full Base Kits. Git Base Kit and Regular Base Kit will have an MOQ of 250 each, the Monochrome Base Kit I will start at an MOQ of 150 to play it safe (going by April Fools Data, which showed a split of 48%/34%/18% between the three Modifiers, Git and Regular would need to hit a combined units of 1400 for Monochrome to hit 250. Not impossible, but too high to bet on).
- Removed Text-Arrows, they were mainly introduced in addition to the Icon-Arrows to allow TKL+65% coverage when buying Base + Modifiers + Alphas.
- In the Monochrome Base Kit, I've changed the Code legend to Super to be more in line with the vintage aesthetic that this kit is trying to achieve. I probably won't update the keyboard renders in this IC, I will however try to bring this change to the renders that will be on the store page.
- I've moved the ISO-Return/Shift keys and pipe keys to the respective Base Kits, the International Kit was too pricey, you don't even wanna know how much. MOQ will start at 50 with the new kit. Base Kits now support ISO-US/ISO-Physical. International Kit now has just the 1.5u, 1.25u and 1u Alt Graph keys as modifiers.
- Added R3 and R4 1u Pipe Keys to Hagoromo Alphas to allow physical Hagoromo ISO with the Base Kits
- Assembly Kit has been renamed to Assembly Base Kit to signify that it's a starting point in dressing your keyboard before moving onto other kits.
I am aware that there was a small group of people that benefited from the old setup, for example Regular/Monochrome Modifiers + Hagoromo Alphas covered HHKB/60%, or Base + Modifiers + Hagoromo would cover a TKL/Fullsize and a 65%, however I believe more people will benefit from this change. There's more people that either need more keys beyond just the Modifiers or simply just want to outfit one board with Regular/Monochrome. Every change will always favor one group while putting another at a disadvantage, for this scenario, I feel the people that benefit vastly outweigh those that don't.
The thought of having the Git Base Kit hitting 1000 units for a juicy 10$+ price drop over 500 units price was nice, but it's nicer to have more people save 60-70$ by not having to buy Modifier addon kits on top of the Base Kit.
MOQ's of 250/250/150 for the three Base Kits don't worry me at all, they'll get there easily seeing that Round 1 already had 450 Gray and 270 White units sold, and that was in a time where Oblivion only existed in renders, even the SA version was yet to get to the group buy stage. Question is just if they'll also hit 500/500/250, many will probably say "duh ez pez it's oblivion dude", but I'd like to remind myself that Space Cadet "only" got to 590 units (of which 50 were Novelkeys extras so really just 540 individual sales), which was less than I expected after the rather successful IC phase. Not that I wasn't happy with that result, I just want to not expect too much and then not hit MOQ targets due to overconfidence.
The kits that changed most below, the entire lineup of all kits in first post.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/OSrvmi9.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/NzJy4NG.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Yt2y2VC.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/MgkagnK.png)
It's a good change. I'm surprised that with three base kits, they're all using the same alphas. What would you think of having the monochrome base kit use the Hagoromo alphas?
Me too!It's a good change. I'm surprised that with three base kits, they're all using the same alphas. What would you think of having the monochrome base kit use the Hagoromo alphas?
This would also solve my problem, since I'm planning to buy hagoromo alphas and the hagoromo cadet alphas. Like all decisions, that would negatively impact at least one group, in this case the monochrome users that wanted grey oblivion alphas in that base kit.
Me too!It's a good change. I'm surprised that with three base kits, they're all using the same alphas. What would you think of having the monochrome base kit use the Hagoromo alphas?
This would also solve my problem, since I'm planning to buy hagoromo alphas and the hagoromo cadet alphas. Like all decisions, that would negatively impact at least one group, in this case the monochrome users that wanted grey oblivion alphas in that base kit.
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What if you just didn’t offer a base kit or just 1 single definitive base kit and split all alphas and mods similar to what’s happening with the SA Laser Gb right now?
SA Laser is a Signature Plastics groupbuy, not a GMK groupbuy. The two companies are distinct in how they charge for their services; specifically, GMK charges a lot more for splitting up kits than SP does.What if you just didn’t offer a base kit or just 1 single definitive base kit and split all alphas and mods similar to what’s happening with the SA Laser Gb right now?
I've also wondered this. Maybe it was just such a no-brainer that every kit in SA Laser would hit MOQ? I'm not too sure about picking up anything in the set, but I do like how modular the buy is.
Playing devils advocate to my own question I am basically experiencing overchoice on that one https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overchoice and this GB too a little bitHuh. Never knew there was a term for that experience. Neat.
+1Me too!It's a good change. I'm surprised that with three base kits, they're all using the same alphas. What would you think of having the monochrome base kit use the Hagoromo alphas?
This would also solve my problem, since I'm planning to buy hagoromo alphas and the hagoromo cadet alphas. Like all decisions, that would negatively impact at least one group, in this case the monochrome users that wanted grey oblivion alphas in that base kit.
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Not sure why the color of alphas are the same if there are 3 base kits offered. Would be nice if one of it (monochrome) would have hagoromo alphas instead. Wouldn’t this benefit new buyers (those who don’t have r1 oblivion) by providing more variety than normal base kit (diff mods, diff alphas) as well as most r1 joiners who got the grey alpha base kits?
Have hex/pantone colour codes for Oblivion ever been published? Trying to figure out what the true colour of the alphas is so I can compare it with some other sets currently in IC on geekhack.
Could you post some information about the hagoromo colors?
I'm considering getting a set of those by themselves and match them up with modifiers from a different set.
The set is color matched to these Signature Plastics colorchips, except Hagaromo, which is GMK's CP
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What happened to those texted arrows? :(
Big update.MoreI received the pricing of the kits last week, went over the spreadsheet and played out different scenarios in my head for the average consumer. I just wasn't happy with the total that too many people would end up having to pay. The Git Base Kit is solid with a very good entry price at 250 units, and so is the Assembly Kit at 100 units already. However if your preference was on Regular/Monochrome Modifiers, you'd easily break 200$ at initial price points already, and that's a price that should be reserved for aftermarket if anything. And people that wanted Regular Mods with Hagoromo Alphas on a TKL had a even worse time since they had to buy the Base Kit just for the Nav keys. Obviously I knew this was coming, it was easy to predict these pricing with old GB's for reference, it was just different now seeing the actual prices in the spreadsheet and tallying them up in my head and I wasn't happy. Therefor, I am making the following changes:
- I've removed the Regular and Monochrome Modifier Addon kits, instead they are now simply full Base Kits. Git Base Kit and Regular Base Kit will have an MOQ of 250 each, the Monochrome Base Kit I will start at an MOQ of 150 to play it safe (going by April Fools Data, which showed a split of 48%/34%/18% between the three Modifiers, Git and Regular would need to hit a combined units of 1400 for Monochrome to hit 250. Not impossible, but too high to bet on).
- Removed Text-Arrows, they were mainly introduced in addition to the Icon-Arrows to allow TKL+65% coverage when buying Base + Modifiers + Alphas.More- In the Monochrome Base Kit, I've changed the Code legend to Super to be more in line with the vintage aesthetic that this kit is trying to achieve. I probably won't update the keyboard renders in this IC, I will however try to bring this change to the renders that will be on the store page.
- I've moved the ISO-Return/Shift keys and pipe keys to the respective Base Kits, the International Kit was too pricey, you don't even wanna know how much. MOQ will start at 50 with the new kit. Base Kits now support ISO-US/ISO-Physical. International Kit now has just the 1.5u, 1.25u and 1u Alt Graph keys as modifiers.
- Added R3 and R4 1u Pipe Keys to Hagoromo Alphas to allow physical Hagoromo ISO with the Base Kits
- Assembly Kit has been renamed to Assembly Base Kit to signify that it's a starting point in dressing your keyboard before moving onto other kits.
I am aware that there was a small group of people that benefited from the old setup, for example Regular/Monochrome Modifiers + Hagoromo Alphas covered HHKB/60%, or Base + Modifiers + Hagoromo would cover a TKL/Fullsize and a 65%, however I believe more people will benefit from this change. There's more people that either need more keys beyond just the Modifiers or simply just want to outfit one board with Regular/Monochrome. Every change will always favor one group while putting another at a disadvantage, for this scenario, I feel the people that benefit vastly outweigh those that don't.
The thought of having the Git Base Kit hitting 1000 units for a juicy 10$+ price drop over 500 units price was nice, but it's nicer to have more people save 60-70$ by not having to buy Modifier addon kits on top of the Base Kit.
MOQ's of 250/250/150 for the three Base Kits don't worry me at all, they'll get there easily seeing that Round 1 already had 450 Gray and 270 White units sold, and that was in a time where Oblivion only existed in renders, even the SA version was yet to get to the group buy stage. Question is just if they'll also hit 500/500/250, many will probably say "duh ez pez it's oblivion dude", but I'd like to remind myself that Space Cadet "only" got to 590 units (of which 50 were Novelkeys extras so really just 540 individual sales), which was less than I expected after the rather successful IC phase. Not that I wasn't happy with that result, I just want to not expect too much and then not hit MOQ targets due to overconfidence.
The kits that changed most below, the entire lineup of all kits in first post.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/OSrvmi9.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/NzJy4NG.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Yt2y2VC.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/MgkagnK.png)
+1Me too!It's a good change. I'm surprised that with three base kits, they're all using the same alphas. What would you think of having the monochrome base kit use the Hagoromo alphas?
This would also solve my problem, since I'm planning to buy hagoromo alphas and the hagoromo cadet alphas. Like all decisions, that would negatively impact at least one group, in this case the monochrome users that wanted grey oblivion alphas in that base kit.
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Not sure why the color of alphas are the same if there are 3 base kits offered. Would be nice if one of it (monochrome) would have hagoromo alphas instead. Wouldn’t this benefit new buyers (those who don’t have r1 oblivion) by providing more variety than normal base kit (diff mods, diff alphas) as well as most r1 joiners who got the grey alpha base kits?
SA Laser is a Signature Plastics groupbuy, not a GMK groupbuy. The two companies are distinct in how they charge for their services; specifically, GMK charges a lot more for splitting up kits than SP does.What if you just didn’t offer a base kit or just 1 single definitive base kit and split all alphas and mods similar to what’s happening with the SA Laser Gb right now?
I've also wondered this. Maybe it was just such a no-brainer that every kit in SA Laser would hit MOQ? I'm not too sure about picking up anything in the set, but I do like how modular the buy is.
Playing devils advocate to my own question I am basically experiencing overchoice on that one https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overchoice and this GB too a little bit
First, still missing f13 renders.
Second, i really hope that one of the vase sets will hagoromo alphas. Buying 3 or 4 different base sets to get the mods just to have sets of the same alphas is pretty rough. I knew i was going to
Benin over $400 but with this setup i think its gonna be far over that. I know the combinatorics of all the possibilities and demographics make any decision daunting, but I do hope you can include hagoromo alphas in one basekit to help the whales.
Fair enough. I was under the assumption that most people that already have Oblivion have the Oblivion Alphas instead of Hagoromo Alphas. I realised that the point is moot especially in light that the community has been growing immensely since R1. It would make sense to set all Alphas to the different base kits I guess.+1Me too!It's a good change. I'm surprised that with three base kits, they're all using the same alphas. What would you think of having the monochrome base kit use the Hagoromo alphas?
This would also solve my problem, since I'm planning to buy hagoromo alphas and the hagoromo cadet alphas. Like all decisions, that would negatively impact at least one group, in this case the monochrome users that wanted grey oblivion alphas in that base kit.
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Not sure why the color of alphas are the same if there are 3 base kits offered. Would be nice if one of it (monochrome) would have hagoromo alphas instead. Wouldn’t this benefit new buyers (those who don’t have r1 oblivion) by providing more variety than normal base kit (diff mods, diff alphas) as well as most r1 joiners who got the grey alpha base kits?
I can see why people suggest this, but really it makes no sense IMO. If I did that, then how are you going to get a Monochrome Kit with Oblivion Alphas? You'd have to buy a Git/Regular Base kit to get those. Also, would this mean the removal of Hagoromo Alphas? If so, then you'd have the same with Git/Regular people needing to buy the Monochrome Base Kit to get the Hagoromo Alphas. This change would only benefit those looking to pick up multiple base Kits, which is a minority.
Oblivion Alphas will remain the default choice as it is #1 the primary colorway and #2 the more popular choice. After picking out your preferred modifier type, you move through the rest of the kits for optional customization.SA Laser is a Signature Plastics groupbuy, not a GMK groupbuy. The two companies are distinct in how they charge for their services; specifically, GMK charges a lot more for splitting up kits than SP does.What if you just didn’t offer a base kit or just 1 single definitive base kit and split all alphas and mods similar to what’s happening with the SA Laser Gb right now?
I've also wondered this. Maybe it was just such a no-brainer that every kit in SA Laser would hit MOQ? I'm not too sure about picking up anything in the set, but I do like how modular the buy is.
This. Current Base Kit prices would increase by 25-30$ if split into Mods/Alphas to get the same kit.Playing devils advocate to my own question I am basically experiencing overchoice on that one https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overchoice and this GB too a little bit
Very much aware of this phenomenon, we saw how it affected GMK Carbon R2. I ****ed myself by inventing Monochrome Modifiers and Hagoromo Alphas back when I was designing SA Oblivion, having those two choices as part of Oblivion is a big issue when designing this set around GMK production/pricing. I keep telling myself that Carbon suffered mostly from it because it offered more criss-cross kit combinations (Base + Beezarre Alphas, Bone Base + Boneyard Alphas, Base + Umka Modifiers, Umka + Boneyard Alphas, Umka Modifiers + Beezarre Alphas, all very viable combinations), while Oblivion is more top to bottom. You start with a Base Kit (essentially you choose between your preferred modifier type while Oblivion Alphas are default) and then move on to maybe add Hagoromo Alphas and then that's it in terms of 'colorway' decision. The remaining kits are just decoration (Alternate Function Colors, Vim) or layout options (Spacekeys&bars/Colevrak/International). We'll see how it'll play out.First, still missing f13 renders.
Second, i really hope that one of the vase sets will hagoromo alphas. Buying 3 or 4 different base sets to get the mods just to have sets of the same alphas is pretty rough. I knew i was going to
Benin over $400 but with this setup i think its gonna be far over that. I know the combinatorics of all the possibilities and demographics make any decision daunting, but I do hope you can include hagoromo alphas in one basekit to help the whales.
#1 There is no F13, I would only consider this key if there was half a dozen TKL's in IC/GB atm that needed it, but there's no signs that another designer is following suit. The Git Base Kit however works perfectly on the CEShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/vMWVPqL.png)
#2 As mentioned above, moving Hagoromo Alphas into one of the Base Kits (Monochrome Base Kit would be the logical choice IF I were to do that, which I don't consider to) would force people that want the Monochrome Modifiers with Oblivion Alphas to pick up a Git/Regular Base Kit. Yes it would be ideal for those that want to buy Git or Regular Base Kit and Monochrome Base Kit while having both Alpha types, but make it really difficult for a lot of other people. I believe this change would make things worse for a bigger group of people.
Can anyone offer some insight into how bright the white is on the hago alphas? I'm thinking about joining to use on a white CA66 but from the photos the keeb looks very bright white and these keys look kinda off-white.
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Thanks for that! I'll need to have a think about itCan anyone offer some insight into how bright the white is on the hago alphas? I'm thinking about joining to use on a white CA66 but from the photos the keeb looks very bright white and these keys look kinda off-white.
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I think this image illustrates them nicely. They are slightly off-white. Color code is CP from GMK's colorring, WS1 would be absolute bright white.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/JxKNAuN.jpg)
Here's a flowchart of how you would go through the kits when deciding on what kits to get for your board. There's no crisscrossing like Carbon, it's very top to bottom, which is why I feel comfortable with this approach.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/sUJl2S2.png)
Hmmm, according to your flowchart I need to pick up a second set of alpha's before I'm allowed to get the spacebar kit :P
I would just like to add my 2 cents. This is how I would like to see the base kits:
- Oblivion Alphas with Git Mods
- Hagoromo Alphas with Reg Mods
Anyone that wants Monochrome Mods should have bought Modern Dolch or Honeywell. There I said it. XD
This is semi joking/semi real,
How much would and f13 kit be? Say 2 keys (both colorways) and MOQ of say 25? Not asking for it to be offered, just wondering what the price would be.
Second, how am I supposed to have all the mods? Now I have to buy 3.75 kits?
But say i want 3 sets of modifiers and hagoromo + maybe a cadet set?
Same reason i have 3 sets if rims for 1 car. Choices. This isnt the hobby of practicality.
>tfw you want the Git Base Kit PLUS the blue Enter key from the Monochrome Base Kit.
Decisions, decisions...
I honestly don't know if the blue keys were heavily requested for the Monochrome kit or not,
But is there any chance of:
1. Keeping the Enter + Esc in the Monochrome kit... monochrome, and--
2. Moving the blue keys to the Vim kit, making it a Novelty kit instead?
Anyway, thanks for working so hard on these kit configurations.
are the cadet sublegends also doubleshot? or some sort of other printing method?
I would also be interested in seeing it. I feel like the Blue won’t look great amongst y’all the other color, but would be curious to see how it turns out.>tfw you want the Git Base Kit PLUS the blue Enter key from the Monochrome Base Kit.
Decisions, decisions...
I honestly don't know if the blue keys were heavily requested for the Monochrome kit or not,
But is there any chance of:
1. Keeping the Enter + Esc in the Monochrome kit... monochrome, and--
2. Moving the blue keys to the Vim kit, making it a Novelty kit instead?
Anyway, thanks for working so hard on these kit configurations.
I honestly don't believe that the blue accents will go well with anything but the Monochrome colorway, hence I decided to keep them in that kit. I could maybe make a render in the coming week to try and prove that.
Kinda surprsied that in all 3 bases now there is no hago option. You're right that you can't please everyone, but still surprising to see.
Kinda surprsied that in all 3 bases now there is no hago option. You're right that you can't please everyone, but still surprising to see.Yep, interesting development.
I was in the 'Base + Modifiers + Hagoromo to cover a TKL/Fullsize and a 65%' camp, so this change has me down to just a regular base kit, as I cant justify buying an entire second base kit just to complete a set with Hagoromo alphas. Probably better off for my wallet anyway!
I could've sworn that I saw a 3u spacebar at one point?
Is there any chance at having one in the drop?
I would really love one.
Did you end up collaborating to design a deskpad? Anything you can show?
No info on the price yet?
These new kits layouts are super dope :thumb:
Thanks Oblotzky, looking forward to pick Oblivion up!
FeelsEuMan stocked for customs and shipping. Just kidding tanking it and joining anywaysNo info on the price yet?
I can't confirm pricing at this time as I did the Base Kit changes, but from previous pricing I can say that Git Base Kit will be 135(+-5)$ for 250 units, 125(+-5)$ for 500 units. The Regular Base Kit does not need custom legends made, however it has 4 keys more than the Git Base Kit (148 Git Base, 152 Regular Base), so I would estimate it to be 5$ cheaper than Git Base Kit. The Monochrome Base Kit I'm not entirely sure, it has one key less than Regular Base Kit, doesn't need as many color changes for the legends, however has one base color change (not sure how changing a legend color compares to changing a base color) and also the lower MOQ by starting at 150 units. So also in the 130-140$ range I assume.
Please note that these are estimates and not binding, wait for June 1st when the page goes up to see final pricing and shipping date, and orders will open on the 4th.These new kits layouts are super dope :thumb:
Thanks Oblotzky, looking forward to pick Oblivion up!
Thanks,
I'd like to take this moment and break some sad news to you and other EU folks. GMK Oblivion V2 will not be available through their EU warehouse. Other items will keep coming through it, but mostly just single SKU drops. Keyset drops are logistically more complicated so they are currently only being fulfilled through the NA warehouse. Sorry but it's gotta be like that I'm afraid.
At this point even splitting the modifiers was an option... with 3 base kits there is no way to pay less for a big amount of the same keycaps (in this case, gray alphas)
Hagoromo international kits aren't gonna be a thing?
No info on the price yet?
I can't confirm pricing at this time as I did the Base Kit changes, but from previous pricing I can say that Git Base Kit will be 135(+-5)$ for 250 units, 125(+-5)$ for 500 units. The Regular Base Kit does not need custom legends made, however it has 4 keys more than the Git Base Kit (148 Git Base, 152 Regular Base), so I would estimate it to be 5$ cheaper than Git Base Kit. The Monochrome Base Kit I'm not entirely sure, it has one key less than Regular Base Kit, doesn't need as many color changes for the legends, however has one base color change (not sure how changing a legend color compares to changing a base color) and also the lower MOQ by starting at 150 units. So also in the 130-140$ range I assume.
Please note that these are estimates and not binding, wait for June 1st when the page goes up to see final pricing and shipping date, and orders will open on the 4th.These new kits layouts are super dope :thumb:
Thanks Oblotzky, looking forward to pick Oblivion up!
Thanks,
I'd like to take this moment and break some sad news to you and other EU folks. GMK Oblivion V2 will not be available through their EU warehouse. Other items will keep coming through it, but mostly just single SKU drops. Keyset drops are logistically more complicated so they are currently only being fulfilled through the NA warehouse. Sorry but it's gotta be like that I'm afraid.
At this point even splitting the modifiers was an option... with 3 base kits there is no way to pay less for a big amount of the same keycaps (in this case, gray alphas)
At this point even splitting the modifiers was an option... with 3 base kits there is no way to pay less for a big amount of the same keycaps (in this case, gray alphas)
I understand that this approach makes it more expensive for people that want a second set of modifiers to swap between, however I believe this to be a minority, the majority will want to purchase one set of modifiers only, and for them this approach is more beneficial in most cases (exception being those that wanted Regular/Monochrome with Hagoromo Alphas on a HHKB/60% which was doable with the Modifier addon kits before). So I chose to favor what I believe to be the majority of buyers, sorry if it's unfavorable for you.Hagoromo international kits aren't gonna be a thing?
I'm afraid not, MOQ of 50 for Oblivion Alphas will be hard enough already, Hagoromo will have to make due with physical ISO support which is now offered with the updated kits.
>tfw you want the Git Base Kit PLUS the blue Enter key from the Monochrome Base Kit.
Decisions, decisions...
I honestly don't know if the blue keys were heavily requested for the Monochrome kit or not,
But is there any chance of:
1. Keeping the Enter + Esc in the Monochrome kit... monochrome, and--
2. Moving the blue keys to the Vim kit, making it a Novelty kit instead?
Anyway, thanks for working so hard on these kit configurations.
I honestly don't believe that the blue accents will go well with anything but the Monochrome colorway, hence I decided to keep them in that kit. I could maybe make a render in the coming week to try and prove that.
I think Oblotzky is absolutely doing the right thing in having complete base kits for the different sets of mods. Take a look at what happened with the last GMK Carbon drop and its pricing. You ended up with a $160 base kit, with child kit mods in an alternate color for $160 just for the mods (yes, I realize that the quantities were lower and that prices could potentially have dropped with enough additional orders for the mods, but if overall numbers had gone up enough to do that, the base kit would have dropped in price as well, and the relative prices for mods vs. base would most likely still have been ridiculous). Personally, I think if you're going to pay base kit prices, you should get a complete kit for your money. Clearly Oblotzky wants to give us more options, but with the way GMK penalizes you in the child kit pricing, there's no good way to do this.
Perhaps the next time Oblivion runs, it can be in doubleshot MT3. :)
While it may not look great together, both sets are just>tfw you want the Git Base Kit PLUS the blue Enter key from the Monochrome Base Kit.
Decisions, decisions...
I honestly don't know if the blue keys were heavily requested for the Monochrome kit or not,
But is there any chance of:
1. Keeping the Enter + Esc in the Monochrome kit... monochrome, and--
2. Moving the blue keys to the Vim kit, making it a Novelty kit instead?
Anyway, thanks for working so hard on these kit configurations.
I honestly don't believe that the blue accents will go well with anything but the Monochrome colorway, hence I decided to keep them in that kit. I could maybe make a render in the coming week to try and prove that.
I don't see itShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/bOsJsum.png)
I don't see itShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/bOsJsum.png)
Sad to see the reg coloured mods only kit go. While I understand that it may cost more, I am sure there are folks (like me) who will pay for such mod kit. Is there any possibility to have it avialable anyway? If it doesnt meet the MOQ, it wouldn't be made anyway. Not trying to rain over your decision, as I understand that you are trying to provide best best cost/coverage option for most.
For the exact Git mods, yes.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/OAgiCqy.png)
Would we be able to buy this exact color combo as a kit or will we have to mix and match the hagomoro with the base kit?
If you can abide with regular mods, you’ll save some money.
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I wonder if the Vim kit will be a breakout hit. I’m mostly a PBT fan, but those Vim keycap tho.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/jNff1dw.png)
I don't mind Git vs Regular, just really like the color contrast with black/white. Thanks for the reply!
What keyboard are you planning to use it on? If you just get hagoromo and regular mods, you'll be missing the navigation keys from the base kit. If you were planning on using this on a tenkeyless keyboard like in that render, you'd be missing the arrow keys and the six keys above them.
Just to clarify, if you want hagoromo alphas (or any alphas other than grey), you will need to purchase the grey base with modifiers of your choice, then add the alphas you want on top of that. If you purchase any base, you will get arrowsFor the exact Git mods, yes.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/OAgiCqy.png)
Would we be able to buy this exact color combo as a kit or will we have to mix and match the hagomoro with the base kit?
If you can abide with regular mods, you’ll save some money.
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I wonder if the Vim kit will be a breakout hit. I’m mostly a PBT fan, but those Vim keycap tho.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/jNff1dw.png)
I don't mind Git vs Regular, just really like the color contrast with black/white. Thanks for the reply!
What keyboard are you planning to use it on? If you just get hagoromo and regular mods, you'll be missing the navigation keys from the base kit. If you were planning on using this on a tenkeyless keyboard like in that render, you'd be missing the arrow keys and the six keys above them.
I want to use it on the Massdrop CTRL, what combination would I need to fit that?
Just to clarify, if you want hagoromo alphas (or any alphas other than grey), you will need to purchase the grey base with modifiers of your choice, then add the alphas you want on top of that. If you purchase any base, you will get arrowsFor the exact Git mods, yes.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/OAgiCqy.png)
Would we be able to buy this exact color combo as a kit or will we have to mix and match the hagomoro with the base kit?
If you can abide with regular mods, you’ll save some money.
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I wonder if the Vim kit will be a breakout hit. I’m mostly a PBT fan, but those Vim keycap tho.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/jNff1dw.png)
I don't mind Git vs Regular, just really like the color contrast with black/white. Thanks for the reply!
What keyboard are you planning to use it on? If you just get hagoromo and regular mods, you'll be missing the navigation keys from the base kit. If you were planning on using this on a tenkeyless keyboard like in that render, you'd be missing the arrow keys and the six keys above them.
I want to use it on the Massdrop CTRL, what combination would I need to fit that?
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Any chance of getting the Space Cadet symbols?
How about adding text arrows to Cadet alpha kits?
The OBLIVIONV2_ASSEMBLY_ERGODOX_OBLIVIONCADET i've been dreaming about since April is coming soon!
Guess i'll be building an ergodox this summer!
I'd like to find tenkeyless.asm or macros.asm from last drop if anybody has some...
@Oblotzky You're my hero and I love you.
OBLIVIONV2_ALPHAS_OBLIVIONCADET_625
OBLIVIONV2_MODIFIERS_SIXTY_GIT
OBLIVIONV2_MODIFIERS_NAVIGATION_COLUMN
OBLIVIONV2_MODIFIERS_NAVIGATION_ARROWS_TEXT
OBLIVIONV2_MODIFIERS_GIT_R4_175_CHECKOUT
OBLIVIONV2_BASE_GIT_OBLIVION
OBLIVIONV2_RAMA_WORKS_R1_100_GIT_LOGO
OBLIVIONV2_BASE_GIT_HAGOROMO
OBLIVIONV2_ASSEMBLY_ORTHOLINEAR_HAGOROMOCADET
OBLIVIONV2_ALPHAS_F1_TO_F12_HAGOROMO
OBLIVIONV2_SPACEKEY_HAGOROMO_175 2
OBLIVIONV2_SPACEBAR_HAGOROMO_600_OFFCENTERED
OBLIVIONV2_MODIFIERS_NAVIGATION_ARROWS_ICON
OBLIVIONV2_RAMA_WORKS_R1_100_GIT_LOGO
Regular mods in a base kit makes me happy, as I wasn't big on the Git mods. This will allow me to get the Hagoromo alphas at, hopefully, a cheaper overall price than what I was initially expecting.
Will the page still go up today on MD? Not seeing it when I search.I think it goes live on June 4th
Will the page still go up today on MD? Not seeing it when I search.I think it goes live on June 4th
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Will the page still go up today on MD? Not seeing it when I search.I think it goes live on June 4th
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To purchase on June 4th but he said June 1st for pricing.
Will the page still go up today on MD? Not seeing it when I search.I think it goes live on June 4th
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To purchase on June 4th but he said June 1st for pricing.
New drops and updates usually happen at 08:00am CST.
Though sometimes the “coming soon” announcements are in the random afternoon
Will the kits be able to cover the xd75 all 1u layout?
Will the kits be able to cover the xd75 all 1u layout?
We're pre-launching on Monday instead as Yanbo is away for Keycon and the page needs a bit more work. But this doesn't change the launch date so nothing to worry about or so.
Will the kits be able to cover the xd75 all 1u layout?
New to this so I want to confirm: the RAMA Git aluminum key is not included in the core kit, right? That's just an alternate 1u R1?
New to this so I want to confirm: the RAMA Git aluminum key is not included in the core kit, right? That's just an alternate 1u R1?
That is correct. The Rama keycap is a separate purchase.
Prices?
A separate drop to be precise that will run in parallel. Unfortunately due to being part of a different supply chain, it will have it's own store entry and not be part of the keyset drop itself. I am aware that this the cherry on top for international buyers that have to deal with import fees on a per-package basis. Wish it wasn't so but I tried to have it included.
Just over 24 hours now!
Is there gonna be a black top row 1u pipe keycap?
Is there gonna be a black top row 1u pipe keycap?
The Kits on the Main Page are the kits being made. Take A look at the kits offered and see if the key you're looking for is in one of those.
I would have preferred separate alphas and mods, but especially considering this is going to run on (mass)drop I understand the current choice.
A lot of people there don't know what kits to buy for their keyboard while 99% of the times asked it's just alphas and mods. This is why they are currently running complete kits for GMK Red Samurai, MT3 /dev/tty and XDA Canvas. Just pick a kit and go.
The current kit setup fits in that line of offering.
Pricing is up on Drop.Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/drop-oblotzky-gmk-oblivion-v2-custom-keycap-set/FP/wfmcyHgS2qfRIHPj9NJT_community.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=fill&w=820&h=547&bg=f0f0f0&dpr=2)
Is the $10 difference in base sets due to licensing for the Git logo?
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Is the $10 difference in base sets due to licensing for the Git logo?
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Maybe the different legends? If GIT bases reaches 500 units, it has the bigger drop tho ($145> $125). At 125 is a really good price.
Is the $10 difference in base sets due to licensing for the Git logo?
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Maybe the different legends? If GIT bases reaches 500 units, it has the bigger drop tho ($145> $125). At 125 is a really good price.
And no doubt that it will... just curious.
In for Git base + Hagoromo + Vim!
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Is the $10 difference in base sets due to licensing for the Git logo?
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Is the $10 difference in base sets due to licensing for the Git logo?
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No, Git Base Kit requires 34 new legend plates made at about 150 EUR a pop. Hence the price difference going down to 5$ at MOQ 500 due to that cost being spread across more buyers.
It would have reached 500 without any doubt if it was just a kit, with all these base kits idk, but i hope!
Assembly renders! Percebe, Pearl and Bullet case.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/yPHIjMv.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/lWBMWND.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/LN0qy3u.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/LO96h4a.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/84apkKR.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/RaRTKYf.png)
This keycap set + the Fjell re-releasing this month = match made in heaven.
I just wish a 2U Shift was offered so that 60% boards with this layout would be supported:Show Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1473/3902/files/3_01_a12d7236-add5-49bc-ae01-faf2a421eff0.jpg?v=1506999488)
But can't complain. The stars are aligning.
Edit: Just realized a 1U shift for the right isn't included either, but I woulda replaced it with Fn anyways.
This keycap set + the Fjell re-releasing this month = match made in heaven.
I just wish a 2U Shift was offered so that 60% boards with this layout would be supported:Show Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1473/3902/files/3_01_a12d7236-add5-49bc-ae01-faf2a421eff0.jpg?v=1506999488)
But can't complain. The stars are aligning.
Edit: Just realized a 1U shift for the right isn't included either, but I woulda replaced it with Fn anyways.
we as a community shouldn't encourage bad layouts
This keycap set + the Fjell re-releasing this month = match made in heaven.
I just wish a 2U Shift was offered so that 60% boards with this layout would be supported:Show Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1473/3902/files/3_01_a12d7236-add5-49bc-ae01-faf2a421eff0.jpg?v=1506999488)
But can't complain. The stars are aligning.
Edit: Just realized a 1U shift for the right isn't included either, but I woulda replaced it with Fn anyways.
we as a community shouldn't encourage bad layouts
Blasphemy...and that's from someone who uses the HHKB layout as my daily driver. Different =/= bad.
Searched for it on Google and on Drop, doesn't come up. Thanks for your help though, can't wait for this and a RAMA Kuyo, WOoot wooot!
Searched for it on Google and on Drop, doesn't come up. Thanks for your help though, can't wait for this and a RAMA Kuyo, WOoot wooot!
How is this page live? you can't pre order anything. Its an interest check placeholder from the previous drop. 9pm its still not available :/
How is this page live? you can't pre order anything. Its an interest check placeholder from the previous drop. 9pm its still not available :/
To be fair it does take a big brane to understand the benefits of the Shifted ZXCV layout.This keycap set + the Fjell re-releasing this month = match made in heaven.
I just wish a 2U Shift was offered so that 60% boards with this layout would be supported:Show Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1473/3902/files/3_01_a12d7236-add5-49bc-ae01-faf2a421eff0.jpg?v=1506999488)
But can't complain. The stars are aligning.
Edit: Just realized a 1U shift for the right isn't included either, but I woulda replaced it with Fn anyways.
we as a community shouldn't encourage bad layouts