One obvious advantage of the brown is that you dont annoy people around you.
Its not that I don't like the blue cherries, I think I just like the brown cherries better.
Browns are "relaxing".
Blues are "fun".
I wish I had your clarity of thought. Every time I try the one I think it is better. And then I try the other...
Make that two beers.
That is Blues are "fun" until your significant other throws you "The Look". We call it here, "The Pook Look".
Couldn't resist the rhyme.
Yeah, kinda ironic since it's your wife that has the Das. Why didn't you try and have her use the Filco Blue Cherry? - that must have been a tricky one to get your hands on so I was surprised when you let it go.
I kind of wish I could just pick one and stick with it forever. But I really don't see that happening. : )
These keyboards are like a curse.
I agree. Since I've gotten my HHKB, and learning the layout at home and at work, both of my other keyboards (brown and blue cherries) have been on the back burner. I'm probably going to loan out my Filco, it looks so sad just sitting there :(
the blue cherries are more tactile and louder than the brown cherries, that I know. What about the feel between blue cherries and black alps?
I had to turn around and type on my wifes das. It immediately felt lighter but with a high pitched click. The black alps have a a more solid feel, not as light.
Its early, and hard to describe this.
Just curious - I wonder if Geekhackers would be more naturally "forgiving"of others typing loud since we're used to the sound.
So she must be sitting near you. The sound of the Blue Cherries don't bug you?
Just curious - I wonder if Geekhackers would be more naturally "forgiving"of others typing loud since we're used to the sound.
Blue Cherries definitely feel lighter than the Black Alps. Black Alps don't have a click with them, but the bottoming out of the keys can be heard.
Yeah, that would be about right.
LOL - I was just thinking the same thing. It's the anticipation with a Buckling Spring - there's a lot of random "pings" I can hear a good distance away.
For yuks I just plugged in my son's Sennheiser PXC 450 noise cancelling headphones and they don't do much to dampen the high pitched sounds. I think they are more for the jet engine's low rumbling pitch range.
For yuks I just plugged in my son's Sennheiser PXC 450 noise cancelling headphones and they don't do much to dampen the high pitched sounds. I think they are more for the jet engine's low rumbling pitch range.
Fo Shure (http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=86430&postcount=20)....
Compared to the Sansa Clip it IS a brick.
Ripster: have you tried Cherry browns on a MX-11800 or G80-3000? In one of your earlier posts, you mention the tactility of the browns being difficult to feel on your Filco. I find this not to be case on the Cherry-made 'boards. I am not sure if this is due to the keycaps or plate/PCB mounting differences, but they feel very different.
A Cherry rep once told me they use different switches for their in-house keyboards than the ones they sell for manufacturing. The last time I posted this fact, it caused an uproar by some whiner so bad threads were deleted and he (she (it)) has yet to come back here, so this is all I will say about it. Call Cherry. They speak English too.
And if anyone wishes to bash me about this, grow a spine and PM me, as I don't read the keyboard section very often at all.
A Cherry rep once told me they use different switches for their in-house keyboards than the ones they sell for manufacturing. The last time I posted this fact, it caused an uproar by some whiner so bad threads were deleted and he (she (it)) has yet to come back here, so this is all I will say about it. Call Cherry. They speak English too.
And if anyone wishes to bash me about this, grow a spine and PM me, as I don't read the keyboard section very often at all.
Yeah, I think IntlStln once said he appreciated we don't do the "RTFM" or "just do a search" to the noobies. I try and be ultrapolite until they hit a post count of 10.
I really have no more info than you guys do!!
Daily AM Routine:
1) Coffee
2) Login to email accounts (2). No Elite notices, bah!
3) Fire up film scanner and Lightroom to archive and edit old negatives whirrr....click, click for 5 mins.
4) Post Geekhack
5) Stick another negative in, whirrr.... click, click
5) COMPLAIN ABOUT NO BLUE CHERRY FILCOS!!!!
I guess I'm supposed to keep it secret
Pook calls Blue Cherries "sparkly".Show Image(http://zedomax.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/discoball-costume.jpg)
There, now the thread has COMPLETELY gone full circle and we're back on page one.
Shh.....
lol where do you get all these pics from ripster. It only takes you a min everytime!
Pook calls Blue Cherries "sparkly".Show Image(http://zedomax.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/discoball-costume.jpg)
There, now the thread has COMPLETELY gone full circle and we're back on page one.
I'm wondering if I would have enjoyed the Black Cherries, or maybe even White XM's better.
How's that Topre? ;-)
It's been my first two days with Brown Cherry Filco and so far I can't say my typing speed has increased. Making a lot of mistakes when typing rapidly and getting only 50-55WPM. These switches turned out to be lighter and more sensitive than I anticipated. They are pretty good for fps-gaming, however, I'm wondering if I would have enjoyed the Black Cherries, or even White XM's better.
we're still 'goin at it' ;D
be gentle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sticky_keys)
I gradually moved down in resistance from Model Ms to Alps to Cherry browns. At first I thought the Cherry browns were too light, but after using them for a few days to a week (I type a lot at work, so I get a lot of 'board-time), I got used to them, and now, I find BS and Alps too heavy. It just takes a little time to get used to the switch. They are too light for some folks, though. There are quite a few people here that are die hard Model M users.
For first time after I got my Brown Cherry Filco, I plugged in my old worn-out Logitech Media Elite and gave it a try in Quake and it instantly felt better because of the stiffier keys. I am selling my Filco now and probably getting one with Black Cherries instead.
You may want to check out the Deck Legend Tactile. It has stiffer keys (Cherry whites) along the lines of the Cherry blacks and the tactility of the browns. Basically, it's a Cherry brown switch with a Cherry black spring.
Yeah, it strikes me as odd that they are phasing the white switch out.
Another alternative here would be to get an old board with white SMK switches, which are like stiff Cherry blues.
Link (http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Chicony-KB-5191-FCC-ID-E8H5IKKB-5191-Keyboard_W0QQitemZ120455726327QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Mice_Trackballs?hash=item1c0bb884f7&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14)
They're popular with POS and Industrial applications, where typing feel is nowhere near as important as reliability.
Remember - linear switches were used on just about everything before Buckling Springs came along. Im pretty sure tactile Alps and Cherrys were a response to BS.
Yesterday, I noticed one keyboard for 99 cents in a thrift shop, and the keys seemed to have a nice feel, as well as being made of glossy ABS plastic, so I bought it. It turned out to be a rubber cone keyboard, but at least with individual cones for the keys, like a Keytronics, but with a crisper feel. (Strangely enough, though, the back of the keyboard internals clips on to a curved metal plate, giving much the same appearance as a Model M; the plastic case strongly resembles it as well.) This keyboard was made by the Japanese company Mitsumi.
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I also think that the Cherry-made 'boards with browns have a better tactile-feel than Cherry brown 'boards from other manufacturers (like Filco). This is probably due to the different switch mounting and key cap material.
Unfortunately, I can't really pay for that since $256 means a new gpu for me :D
Thing is though that I play a lot of Valve games, which do require some crouch jumping which hurts my poor little pinky on the Eclipse I after awhile. I don't think L4D would really be fast paced when compared to a game like UT3 but I basically did not want any interruptions for any games I play if I am going to be purchasing a keyboard of this price. My main concern was ghosting which many other "GAMINGGGG" Keyboards claim to have but are usually only placed around WASD and I was worried about any possible ghosting issues when buying a keyboard. N-Key rollover with PS/2 pretty much solves that but then I just need to figure out which switch is best for me. I personally would like to hear from someone who plays valve games and I don't know why I am so picky with the whole light on crouch jumping situation but that's just me I guess. Would you say a game like L4D is as fast paced as UT3? I think I would have gotten Black Linear Tenkeyless but I am going to be doing some typing too and not pure gaming.
$250 keyboard
seems to be worth $200 in 2yrs
and actually still works and is useful after 10yrs (+)
I would just get the blues. Really, almost any keyboard can be used for gaming unless you are a pro. My son is top of the TF2 boards constantly (Ripster [ESG]) and he uses a Unicomp Buckling Spring 2-key rollover board. For gaming you want to spend a lot of time getting the right mouse.And just to elaborate: most buckling spring keyboards are about as stiff as the blacks, yet you need to let the key rise a fair distance before it can be pressed again.
I'm picky though so haven't decided what is "best". The Cherry Clears from Datacal will take a few days to arrive.
my point is this forum needs more arguing over whether or not you need clickiness in games, instead of the best gaming switch
I stuck my Cherry Clear (and Cherry Red for that matter) impressions in the N52 Mod post here. (http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:7425)
Unless you're a pro gamer (and I take pros who make money from their equipment decisions a lot more seriously than any of YOU guys) I would choose a keyboard based on whatever key switch matches your general typing style.
and the key would actuate when resting your fingers on it
I have been getting an artificial audio feedback on the browns. I noticed the difference in no-audio feedback with strong regret when I broke the Kinesis programmable board and the electric click sound stopped working. I hadn't realized I was depending on the ear.
the filco is hands down a better made keyboard. The filco has a quality to it that the scorpius simply does not. [if] you are ok with the overall build quallity, then the scorpius is fine.
Perfect gaming keyboard:
Keys should work reliably. No failed keypresses. No bouncing.
Force. Light as possible without getting accidental presses.
Travel. Shorter the better for gaming performance, if truth be told.
Tactile feedback. Irrelevant if you're mashing keys. Useful if you don't and if it genuinely confirms a keypress that might not otherwise be obvious in-game.
Audible feedback. Same as tactile, unless you are on teamspeak etc, or find the sound distracting.
Hysteresis. Bad for rapid-fire hits, good for slower precision.
Activation point. Much like hysteresis, what's good for rapid-fire is different to slow precision. Bottoming out to make contact gives zero hysteresis and a form of feedback (the worst kind, but feedback nonetheless.)
Now, having said all that, I'm thinking the ideal gaming switch would activate right at the top of the travel. This could be done by using inverse electrical logic. Contact would normally be made when the key is untouched, and broken when the switch moves down. Logic chips would have to reverse the signal as needed. This would make some of the above choices totally irrelevant.
lol, sorry ricercar. eventually you will get a filco. we all do : )
lol, sorry ricercar. eventually you will get a filco. we all do : )
You can't twist an IBM. At all.
lol, sorry ricercar. eventually you will get a filco. we all do : )
Can't twist my Lexmark Model Ms, Alaris Model M, Kinesis Contour, or my Northgate. Am I asking too much?
I guess this begs the question... why are you twisting your keyboards in the first place? :eek:
While cruising the hood I saw Ricercar preparing for the Keyboard Tearing Guiness Record.
do Northgates have double-shot keys?
I saw Ricercar preparing for the Keyboard Tearing Guiness Record.
Dang Ricercar. What's the trick!!!Oh no! That's my monitor!Show Image(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_kTaFrEr_318/SRmvNaTsfdI/AAAAAAAAAYY/d78b4hnZAGs/smash%20and%20break%20computer%20pc%20monitor%20with%20keyboard%5B12%5D.jpg)
Raj, it's the cig that makes that one soooo funny!
Nothing wrong with 60Hz... Oh wait, CRTs...
How could you live without big old monitors?Perfectly fine, it seems.
How could you live without big old monitors?