[IC] GMK Handarbeit+ [GB approved]

[theseusanime]

i do understand that ANSI is a necessity (i want it myself) and that ISO DE support must be there too for historic reasons. Also most people prefer qwerty, shouldnt be too hard to just add the additional qwertz keys.

But why do we need the characters/font in english? We buy different language kits the whole time, cyrilic, hangul, japanese etc. People buy them without speaking any of these languges, for ALPS the AEK Japanese kits are a bestseller...

Why not ANSI+ISO support with german font in the basekit?

I dont see why we need english fonts here offered on an replica of something that was only available in german anyway - sounds way easier to hit MOQ.

However if you want to make it cheaper, i think most people here dont need numpad keys in the base set, most boards used seem to be TKL or less.

99% of the GMK sets have English legends, excluding those beige ones

[theseusanime]

Write to them and call them again and again.

What a wonderful idea!  All of us should call again and again, to demand $99 pricing 

Most of the time, the person who has to make the quotation is on holiday. So I called and another one made the calculation

[le_wraith]

Welp thats a pass from me

Back to the Black Lodge for you. And I can be with Bob again.

[cocobrais]

Generally GB price will be decided by GMK Quotation, Shipping cost(GMK=>Proxy), proxy costs, currency conversions, tax, boxing, bank transfer fee(proxy to GMK). Also paypal fee and domestic shipping cost.
So many cost have to be considered.



 

[cocobrais]

Today I make the layout.
I saw many reply about Ansi or OG ISO DE.
Just I decide to make below.
- Basically 2 main kits will be prepared.
    - Handarbeit+M Kit : OG Modified kit (Ansi based, additional key will be added, Also ISO enter will be added)
    - Handarbeit+R Kit : OG Replica kit (No additional key. Only OG replica 102key)

I don't know, each main kits will be reached or not to MOQ 150. Specially R kit.....
But I'd like to inform that I do my best to also consider the OG manias.
I will make layouts and request the key layout rendering to GMK.
Maybe next week we can see the modified kits.

Have a nice weekend! (KR is now weekend)

[cocobrais]

Today I make the layout.
I saw many reply about Ansi or OG ISO DE.
Just I decide to make below.
- Basically 2 main kits will be prepared.
    - Handarbeit+M Kit : OG Modified kit (Ansi based, additional key will be added, Also ISO enter will be added)
    - Handarbeit+R Kit : OG Replica kit (No additional key. Only OG replica 102key)

I don't know, each main kits will be reached or not to MOQ 150. Specially R kit.....
But I'd like to inform that I do my best to also consider the OG manias.
I will make layouts and request the key layout rendering to GMK.
Maybe next week we can see the modified kits.

Have a nice weekend! (KR is now weekend)

Also Icon modi kit with HHKB 4key and 4 led keys will added.

[LightningXI]

Today I make the layout.
I saw many reply about Ansi or OG ISO DE.
Just I decide to make below.
- Basically 2 main kits will be prepared.
    - Handarbeit+M Kit : OG Modified kit (Ansi based, additional key will be added, Also ISO enter will be added)
    - Handarbeit+R Kit : OG Replica kit (No additional key. Only OG replica 102key)

I don't know, each main kits will be reached or not to MOQ 150. Specially R kit.....
But I'd like to inform that I do my best to also consider the OG manias.
I will make layouts and request the key layout rendering to GMK.
Maybe next week we can see the modified kits.

Have a nice weekend! (KR is now weekend)

Also Icon modi kit with HHKB 4key and 4 led keys will added.

nice

I suppose I will be interested in the +M kit since it at least has some compatibility vs +R (shame, even though I suggested ISO DE modifiers).

[hansichen]

The German kit sounds nice but I would suggest to add a few more keys. First of all I would add Ansi-de support cause not everybody likes iso and some people like german mods. I would suggest to add a 2,25u shift key, 2,25u enter key and a 1,5u # ' key as you can see in HADapter: https://i.imgur.com/YLynNu0.png
I would also consider adding a 1,75u shift key so that many 60%/80% and fullsize boards can be covered. In total that should add maybe 5$ but I think it would be a good addition

[cocobrais]

Hey guys.

Layout was updated.
As I mentioned before, 3 kits were designed.
Yesterday I received this renders from GMK and 4 small change will be done.
- M kit : R2 \| key design
- R Kit : missed Arrow in Rollen key / 2 key color....blue=>red
Already requested and soon updated.

So Just refer to layout.


- Handarbeit+ M kit




- Handarbeit+ R kit



- Icon modi + LED kit



See you soon with updated renders.
Have a nice weekend!




 

[Theswetiyeti]

+1 M kit
+1 icon mods
I hope this happens I need this in my life 

[cocobrais]

All revised kits were updated. 

[hansichen]

The German kit should probably have a stepped capslock key, else it looks good 

[avid]

Cant wait until this enter GB stage. My favourite set this year.

[cocobrais]

The German kit should probably have a stepped capslock key, else it looks good 

Oh....you are right... I missed this. Will update this.. thanks

[ninjadoc]

I'll be in for one, possibly 2. This set you either love or hate - no in between.
Good luck, I hope you can get it produced.

[kokokoy]

That R kit is beautiful. Though agree with this at least these 3 should be added

The German kit sounds nice but I would suggest to add a few more keys. First of all I would add Ansi-de support cause not everybody likes iso and some people like german mods. I would suggest to add a 2,25u shift key, 2,25u enter key and a 1,5u # ' key as you can see in HADapter: https://i.imgur.com/YLynNu0.png

[theseusanime]

Nice, but there are two identical keys? You've got /| on r1 and r4. In the first kit.

Personally I'd remove the double 2" 3£ keys from the first kit.

On the first kit, what's the point of having the R1 `- key? The one drawn beside the extra 2 and 3.

For both sets, in the numpad 5, I'd replace the nipple with a bar. Much nicer and easier on the fingers

[theseusanime]

As a small variation, after removing the three keys above, I'd add the fj5 in red, with homing bars.

[hansichen]

Nice, but there are two identical keys? You've got /| on r1 and r4. In the first kit.

Personally I'd remove the double 2" 3£ keys from the first kit.

On the first kit, what's the point of having the R1 `- key? The one drawn beside the extra 2 and 3.

For both sets, in the numpad 5, I'd replace the nipple with a bar. Much nicer and easier on the fingers

`¬, 2 and 3 are iso uk keys, same for R4 /|. R1 /| is for hhkb support. The nipple on 5 is og and should be part of this set. And adding another set of F&J keys make the set more expensive and don't fit the og look.

[theseusanime]

Nice, but there are two identical keys? You've got /| on r1 and r4. In the first kit.

Personally I'd remove the double 2" 3£ keys from the first kit.

On the first kit, what's the point of having the R1 `- key? The one drawn beside the extra 2 and 3.

For both sets, in the numpad 5, I'd replace the nipple with a bar. Much nicer and easier on the fingers

`¬, 2 and 3 are iso uk keys, same for R4 /|. R1 /| is for hhkb support. The nipple on 5 is og and should be part of this set. And adding another set of F&J keys make the set more expensive and don't fit the og look.

Nothing is OG since ANSI isn't OG.
The numpad nipple is horrible. Nobody likes nipples except in real life.
About the hhkb key, that's used on ansi hhkb, not in the ISO generic or Japanese.

American iso would be more appwaling thanuk iso.

[theseusanime]

About the r kit, if you add a r2 y and a r4 z, they could probably be enough for the 70% of the European market

[OracleKev]

Nice, but there are two identical keys? You've got /| on r1 and r4. In the first kit.

Personally I'd remove the double 2" 3£ keys from the first kit.

On the first kit, what's the point of having the R1 `- key? The one drawn beside the extra 2 and 3.

For both sets, in the numpad 5, I'd replace the nipple with a bar. Much nicer and easier on the fingers

`¬, 2 and 3 are iso uk keys, same for R4 /|. R1 /| is for hhkb support. The nipple on 5 is og and should be part of this set. And adding another set of F&J keys make the set more expensive and don't fit the og look.

this

[Theswetiyeti]

Iv never used iso layout before but that R kit looks so good I might have to get  both M and R if this runs just for that OG look. But at this point I don't even how you get the @ symbol on iso.  Sorry if that's a dumb question. Also I have to agree with the other people about the nipple on the number pad. Good luck I hope this goes to Group buy soon. 

[darthzero]

For 2+ legends on a key: top left = shift; bottom right = alt.

[hansichen]

For 2+ legends on a key: top left = shift; bottom right = alt.

To be more precise: bottom right = altgr + eg:q = @  (also known as right alt in the ansi world, that's why this legend is different)

[ArchDill]

Wait, is this REALLY happening?

Guys, remember what happen to the last joke that we let run too long?

he ended up being our President...

[cocobrais]

Wait, is this REALLY happening?

Guys, remember what happen to the last joke that we let run too long?

he ended up being our President...

I am not a joke. Soon meet.

[LightningXI]

Wait, is this REALLY happening?

Guys, remember what happen to the last joke that we let run too long?

he ended up being our President...

You don't have to be condescending. If you don't like it, why bother? People will vote with their wallets anyway. It's been said, people will buy it for the history (that inspired this IC). And it's a love or hate kind of thing, but we could all benefit from a hate free forum.

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[theseusanime]

Wait, is this REALLY happening?

Guys, remember what happen to the last joke that we let run too long?

he ended up being our President...

I am not a joke. Soon meet.

Thank you for considering the option on doing a rendering, but what's the point of it? We already have the actual photos of the actual set. What is there to render? It exists.

[theseusanime]

http://pinchocodia.tistory.com/17


https://www.instagram.com/p/BE2eSKIhfug

[cocobrais]

http://pinchocodia.tistory.com/17


https://www.instagram.com/p/BE2eSKIhfug

I know. Just I'd like to show if it will be assembled in custom kbd, how feel it.

[Theswetiyeti]

I don't think that renders ever hurt an interest check. I wonder how many people glanced at the color way without clicking on the link to the actual photos. I know I'm guilty of it.  the first time I looked at this interest check I just glanced at the colorway said hard pass and moved on.  But there was something about the set that brought me back for a second look I saw the photos and  than it was a must-have. With all the good sets coming out I honestly think this is the one I am looking forward to the most.  People like to see what the set will look like on different color boards, on different layouts, different custom boards.  With so many interest checks and other things to look at these days First Impressions play a big part helping peolpe decide whether or not to spend the time to take a closer look.  That being said those photos do look amazing. 

[theseusanime]

I don't think that renders ever hurt an interest check. I wonder how many people glanced at the color way without clicking on the link to the actual photos. I know I'm guilty of it.  the first time I looked at this interest check I just glanced at the colorway said hard pass and moved on.  But there was something about the set that brought me back for a second look I saw the photos and  than it was a must-have. With all the good sets coming out I honestly think this is the one I am looking forward to the most.  People like to see what the set will look like on different color boards, on different layouts, different custom boards.  With so many interest checks and other things to look at these days First Impressions play a big part helping peolpe decide whether or not to spend the time to take a closer look.  That being said those photos do look amazing. 

Please post the pictures then. I'd do it but I'm not at my computer.

The renderings hurt because they just take too long. They're just a way to delay the decisive moment.

[OracleKev]

I want ah, ooh moments with fancy renderings.  Especially with layouts other than full ISO-DE.

Keycap IC/GB without renderings?  Someone is out of his mind. 

[avid]

Renders is good. Yes the set exists, but most people are not going to use it on an old cherry-style board 

[Jae-3soteric]

I don't think that renders ever hurt an interest check. I wonder how many people glanced at the color way without clicking on the link to the actual photos. I know I'm guilty of it.  the first time I looked at this interest check I just glanced at the colorway said hard pass and moved on.  But there was something about the set that brought me back for a second look I saw the photos and  than it was a must-have. With all the good sets coming out I honestly think this is the one I am looking forward to the most.  People like to see what the set will look like on different color boards, on different layouts, different custom boards.  With so many interest checks and other things to look at these days First Impressions play a big part helping peolpe decide whether or not to spend the time to take a closer look.  That being said those photos do look amazing. 

Please post the pictures then. I'd do it but I'm not at my computer.

The renderings hurt because they just take too long. They're just a way to delay the decisive moment.

Renders are part of the process. You go from complaining about the price, lying to try and trick the OP into a different price, not taking anything on the costing side into consideration - to now wanting to hurry the thing up and skip renders, which will be an essential part of this sets success.

This isn’t a set that would do well traditionally - it’s something that needs to be nurtured to get over the line. Rushing it through will help no one except those that want the set to fail.

You are impatient and petulant and need to add either constructive feedback or hold off from posting. Let OP do his thing.


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[Jae-3soteric]

Please tell me what I've lied about here... You actively admitted it.

It isn't your decision to run the set via massdrop - whether or not they own the site. Thats up to OP. He is doing a great job. As i said before you are being impatient and petulant. Even Massdrop would struggle to get this set to $99 (or a small amount more). Either you are new to the community, or have little understanding of the GB process, or you dont understand the financials that have to be taken into consideration, OR, as I said once before you are just trolling.

Most sets with a couple of custom colours don't even get as low as $130, never mind one that has this many.

In the one month you reference, the OP has updated the kits, added renders, discussed the layout options and given explanations on what may drive the price. This may surprise you but the OP has a life outside of this IC and potential GB. GBs are sometimes slow moving. So as I said before - chill out, let the OP do his thing, and stop trolling this thread.

[meiosis]

Wait, is this REALLY happening?

Guys, remember what happen to the last joke that we let run too long?

he ended up being our President...

I am not a joke. Soon meet.

Checking in again, really glad all this progress is coming along . 

There have been so many people waiting for this set, make sure its the best it can be because this might really be once in a lifetime haha

[cocobrais]

[29.09.2018] GMK Rendering Update.

1) Capslock in R kit was revised. (Old normal Capslock ==> New Stepped Capslock for OG fit)
2) M kit and Icon modi kit are same as last update

Maybe 3D renderings will be updated next week.
1) M kit : 1800 layout
2) M kit + Icon Modi kit : 1800 layout
3) R kit : 3000 winkeyless layout

Also quotations were requested to GMK and currently I am setting the proxies.

[rowdy]

I've been looking for this set for years.

I gave up about four and a half years ago and made Rowdybeit instead.



I was surprised to find how easy it was to type on such a chaotic layout.

I would say interested, but money is a bit tight at the moment

[cocobrais]

I've been looking for this set for years.

I gave up about four and a half years ago and made Rowdybeit instead.

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I was surprised to find how easy it was to type on such a chaotic layout.

I would say interested, but money is a bit tight at the moment

wow. Your passion is best. I think that you can expect good price....maybe in your wallet. Haha

[mike52787]

lmfao im in just to see how I feel about it irl


the strangest og set ever is now being reproduced, we have certainly hit a point of no return in this hobby  ) ) ) )

[cocobrais]

[Status]
- 3D rendering : Still wait.
- MOQ :
   M kit : Starting point is 150 MOQ
   R Kit(Replica, DE 102key) will be started with 100 MOQ. I hope that it will be helpful to reach the MOQ.
   Modi and LED kit : Starting point 100 MOQ
- Proxies have been setting. Soon fixed.
- Schedule will be fixed and it will be opened in this month.

[Jae-3soteric]

[Status]
- 3D rendering : Still wait.
- MOQ :
   M kit : Starting point is 150 MOQ
   R Kit(Replica, DE 102key) will be started with 100 MOQ. I hope that it will be helpful to reach the MOQ.
   Modi and LED kit : Starting point 100 MOQ
- Proxies have been setting. Soon fixed.
- Schedule will be fixed and it will be opened in this month.

awesome - glad to see stuff is moving. Can't wait to see those renders!!

[cocobrais]

[Status]
- 3D rendering : Still wait.
- MOQ :
   M kit : Starting point is 150 MOQ
   R Kit(Replica, DE 102key) will be started with 100 MOQ. I hope that it will be helpful to reach the MOQ.
   Modi and LED kit : Starting point 100 MOQ
- Proxies have been setting. Soon fixed.
- Schedule will be fixed and it will be opened in this month.

3D renderings were updated and GB will be launched on October 20th hopfully.


awesome - glad to see stuff is moving. Can't wait to see those renders!!

[lazyfart]

Its funny..the more i look at this set, and taking the time to read what the OP has done to make this come true has really made me want to buy it. lol Really love the THICC double shots of the OG set though. that korean dude was lucky af

[appaboy]

Even if this set is silly as hell, i cant stop myself from buying all og cherry reproduction sets

[kinglukas38]

Its funny..the more i look at this set, and taking the time to read what the OP has done to make this come true has really made me want to buy it. lol Really love the THICC double shots of the OG set though. that korean dude was lucky af

I doubt there will be any difference in the thickness of the caps compared to the og set

[lazyfart]

Its funny..the more i look at this set, and taking the time to read what the OP has done to make this come true has really made me want to buy it. lol Really love the THICC double shots of the OG set though. that korean dude was lucky af

I doubt there will be any difference in the thickness of the caps compared to the og set

There will be. That kinda thickness exceeds gmks usual  manufacturing.

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[kinglukas38]

Its funny..the more i look at this set, and taking the time to read what the OP has done to make this come true has really made me want to buy it. lol Really love the THICC double shots of the OG set though. that korean dude was lucky af

I doubt there will be any difference in the thickness of the caps compared to the og set

There will be. That kinda thickness exceeds gmks usual  manufacturing.

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looks like the same thickness as a gmk cap