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Title: [GB] GMK CYL 1520
Post by: hark on Tue, 05 March 2024, 22:26:17
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(https://i.imgur.com/bV4nXCy.jpeg)(https://i.imgur.com/NPYMpzX.jpeg)

CYL 1520 will use UV printing as well as double shot ABS.

Kitting


(https://novelkeys.com/cdn/shop/files/1520-Base_1512x.png)

(https://novelkeys.com/cdn/shop/files/1520-Extension_3000x.png)


Renders



(https://i.imgur.com/qeHkDLS.jpeg)(https://i.imgur.com/T3oPOHn.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/LWT1vhP.png)(https://imgur.com/g3pucEF.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/cGh6FCl.jpeg)(https://i.imgur.com/TjIAiQd.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/uWWa4KO.jpeg)(https://i.imgur.com/PdkDqGK.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mL54wtk.jpeg)(https://i.imgur.com/BOPXJS9.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/gj34K6v.jpeg)(https://i.imgur.com/hxtxZVm.jpeg)


Vendors

US: NovelKeys (https://novelkeys.com/products/cyl-1520?)
EU: Oblotzky (https://oblotzky.industries/)
UK: ProtoTypist (https://prototypist.net/collections/live-group-buys/products/group-buy-gmk-cyl-1520)
SEA: ilumkb (https://ilumkb.com/collections/live/products/group-buy-gmk-cyl-1520)
ASIA: zFrontier (https://en.zfrontier.com/)
AU: Daily Clack (https://dailyclack.com/products/gmk-1520)


Pricing

Base - $125 USD
Extension - $40 USD


GB Date

March 1st - March 29th

Signature

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Title: Re: [GB] GMK CYL 1520
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 07 March 2024, 16:04:49
Approved :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] GMK CYL 1520
Post by: AMZ on Sun, 10 March 2024, 00:31:17
Is the numbers will be shared?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK CYL 1520
Post by: NoFace on Sun, 10 March 2024, 06:48:12
Fun fact, shop which is the closest to the factory where keycaps are made, is the most expensive (148,98$ for the base kit, based on current exchange rate, excluding shipping)..
I am wondering, why GMK is not able to give shops in Germany better deals to support their local market.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK CYL 1520
Post by: Nevrest on Mon, 11 March 2024, 16:32:15
Fun fact, shop which is the closest to the factory where keycaps are made, is the most expensive (148,98$ for the base kit, based on current exchange rate, excluding shipping)..
I am wondering, why GMK is not able to give shops in Germany better deals to support their local market.

There's other factors at play here, I don't think GMK charges any more or less for any of the vendors, but you have to factor in the cost of labor.
The vendors that run the GB's do a lot behind the scenes, and that requires labor. Someone who's in Germany will therefor charge a bit more than someone in say Singapore, where the labor prices are lower.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK CYL 1520
Post by: mr_foggy on Mon, 11 March 2024, 20:19:10
Fun fact, shop which is the closest to the factory where keycaps are made, is the most expensive (148,98$ for the base kit, based on current exchange rate, excluding shipping)..
I am wondering, why GMK is not able to give shops in Germany better deals to support their local market.

because VAT

hard to offer good prices if you have to factor in 19 to 25% of the item value in the final price
Title: Re: [GB] GMK CYL 1520
Post by: _rubik on Tue, 12 March 2024, 00:38:58
I bricked a board today and jumped on GH for the first time in months to get help...

If there is a higher power out there, they work in weird ways. I would have missed this if not for my bunk firmware. So happy to see this running!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK CYL 1520
Post by: NoFace on Wed, 13 March 2024, 12:59:43
Quote
There's other factors at play here, I don't think GMK charges any more or less for any of the vendors, but you have to factor in the cost of labor.
The vendors that run the GB's do a lot behind the scenes, and that requires labor. Someone who's in Germany will therefor charge a bit more than someone in say Singapore, where the labor prices are lower.
Quote
because VAT

hard to offer good prices if you have to factor in 19 to 25% of the item value in the final price

All of those are fair points, but from business perspective, it should not happen, that item produced literately next door, is more expensive locally, than the same exported item.
Every seller has to deal with additional costs, but GMK margins are high enough, from my point of view, so they can make sure, that regular price is equal or lower on local market, in comparison to foreign market.

What is the point of publishing pricing, which at the end might be 25% more...
Title: Re: [GB] GMK CYL 1520
Post by: Neely_12 on Wed, 13 March 2024, 15:04:21
Quote
There's other factors at play here, I don't think GMK charges any more or less for any of the vendors, but you have to factor in the cost of labor.
The vendors that run the GB's do a lot behind the scenes, and that requires labor. Someone who's in Germany will therefor charge a bit more than someone in say Singapore, where the labor prices are lower.
Quote
because VAT

hard to offer good prices if you have to factor in 19 to 25% of the item value in the final price

All of those are fair points, but from business perspective, it should not happen, that item produced literately next door, is more expensive locally, than the same exported item.
Every seller has to deal with additional costs, but GMK margins are high enough, from my point of view, so they can make sure, that regular price is equal or lower on local market, in comparison to foreign market.

What is the point of publishing pricing, which at the end might be 25% more...

VAT is legally necessary within Europe for Oblotzky. There is literally nothing they can do about it. If you take off the VAT, and use the current exchange rate, it is actually 80 cents cheaper for the base kit.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK CYL 1520
Post by: Neely_12 on Wed, 13 March 2024, 15:05:24
I bricked a board today and jumped on GH for the first time in months to get help...

If there is a higher power out there, they work in weird ways. I would have missed this if not for my bunk firmware. So happy to see this running!

So happy the Geekhack gods brought you here in time  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] GMK CYL 1520
Post by: SwitchKeys on Wed, 13 March 2024, 15:45:32
Quote
There's other factors at play here, I don't think GMK charges any more or less for any of the vendors, but you have to factor in the cost of labor.
The vendors that run the GB's do a lot behind the scenes, and that requires labor. Someone who's in Germany will therefor charge a bit more than someone in say Singapore, where the labor prices are lower.
Quote
because VAT

hard to offer good prices if you have to factor in 19 to 25% of the item value in the final price

All of those are fair points, but from business perspective, it should not happen, that item produced literately next door, is more expensive locally, than the same exported item.
Every seller has to deal with additional costs, but GMK margins are high enough, from my point of view, so they can make sure, that regular price is equal or lower on local market, in comparison to foreign market.

What is the point of publishing pricing, which at the end might be 25% more...

I think the point you are missing is that in Europe, Australia and several other countries sales tax is reflected in the item price. In the USA however consumers like to get cucked by taxes at checkout instead.

So even though things may appear cheaper from a pricing table perspective, folks in the USA and folks in Europe may end up closer than you think
Title: Re: [GB] GMK CYL 1520
Post by: Nevrest on Wed, 13 March 2024, 16:34:54
Quote
There's other factors at play here, I don't think GMK charges any more or less for any of the vendors, but you have to factor in the cost of labor.
The vendors that run the GB's do a lot behind the scenes, and that requires labor. Someone who's in Germany will therefor charge a bit more than someone in say Singapore, where the labor prices are lower.
Quote
because VAT

hard to offer good prices if you have to factor in 19 to 25% of the item value in the final price

All of those are fair points, but from business perspective, it should not happen, that item produced literately next door, is more expensive locally, than the same exported item.
Every seller has to deal with additional costs, but GMK margins are high enough, from my point of view, so they can make sure, that regular price is equal or lower on local market, in comparison to foreign market.

What is the point of publishing pricing, which at the end might be 25% more...

VAT is legally necessary within Europe for Oblotzky. There is literally nothing they can do about it. If you take off the VAT, and use the current exchange rate, it is actually 80 cents cheaper for the base kit.

This^^, if you select shipping outside the EU you can see the actual cost. For this set for example it cost €113.45 from Oblotzky without VAT. VAT goes the the government, not the vendor/GMK
Title: Re: [GB] GMK CYL 1520
Post by: dvorcol on Wed, 13 March 2024, 16:44:51
More
Quote
There's other factors at play here, I don't think GMK charges any more or less for any of the vendors, but you have to factor in the cost of labor.
The vendors that run the GB's do a lot behind the scenes, and that requires labor. Someone who's in Germany will therefor charge a bit more than someone in say Singapore, where the labor prices are lower.
Quote
because VAT

hard to offer good prices if you have to factor in 19 to 25% of the item value in the final price

All of those are fair points, but from business perspective, it should not happen, that item produced literately next door, is more expensive locally, than the same exported item.
Every seller has to deal with additional costs, but GMK margins are high enough, from my point of view, so they can make sure, that regular price is equal or lower on local market, in comparison to foreign market.

What is the point of publishing pricing, which at the end might be 25% more...

I think the point you are missing is that in Europe, Australia and several other countries sales tax is reflected in the item price. In the USA however consumers like to get cucked by taxes at checkout instead.

So even though things may appear cheaper from a pricing table perspective, folks in the USA and folks in Europe may end up closer than you think

Also, US sales tax varies state-by-state.

(https://i.postimg.cc/1RZ7HKxx/2022-sales-taxes-including-2022-sales-tax-rates-2022-state-and-local-sales-tax-rates.png)
from https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/2022-sales-taxes/
Title: Re: [GB] GMK CYL 1520
Post by: tactilesbad on Fri, 15 March 2024, 05:12:08
So even though things may appear cheaper from a pricing table perspective, folks in the USA and folks in Europe may end up closer than you think

tbf lowest VAT in europe is 19% which is roughly double than the highest sales tax in the US. not to mention some EU states where VAT ramps up to 22-25%. still way rougher for the folks in europe.
Title: Re: [GB] GMK CYL 1520
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 29 March 2024, 23:35:09
i think i got in at the last minute
Title: Re: [GB] GMK CYL 1520
Post by: Trackpoint on Fri, 05 April 2024, 22:48:53
How did this do? NovelKeys says "order placed" so I guess everything hit MOQ?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK CYL 1520
Post by: Neely_12 on Mon, 15 April 2024, 21:18:40
How did this do? NovelKeys says "order placed" so I guess everything hit MOQ?

Novelkeys has transitioned to pre-orders, instead of group buys as they ensure each set they run is made. The set hit MOQ and everything will be made  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] GMK CYL 1520
Post by: keepoto on Tue, 16 April 2024, 09:26:22
How did this do? NovelKeys says "order placed" so I guess everything hit MOQ?

Novelkeys has transitioned to pre-orders, instead of group buys as they ensure each set they run is made. The set hit MOQ and everything will be made  :thumb:

congrats!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK CYL 1520
Post by: Trackpoint on Wed, 17 April 2024, 10:33:15
Novelkeys has transitioned to pre-orders, instead of group buys as they ensure each set they run is made. The set hit MOQ and everything will be made  :thumb:

Nice, good to hear!
Title: Re: [GB] GMK CYL 1520
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 19 April 2024, 12:18:47
How did this do? NovelKeys says "order placed" so I guess everything hit MOQ?

Novelkeys has transitioned to pre-orders, instead of group buys as they ensure each set they run is made. The set hit MOQ and everything will be made  :thumb:

(https://media1.tenor.com/m/xPOyP0cyC2AAAAAC/hell-yeah-rock-and-roll.gif)
Title: Re: [GB] GMK CYL 1520
Post by: chaos2theory on Fri, 19 April 2024, 16:17:04
I cannot believe I missed this after following this keycap set for literally years.

Any chance there will be a second GB?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK CYL 1520
Post by: _rubik on Fri, 19 April 2024, 16:38:08
I cannot believe I missed this after following this keycap set for literally years.

Any chance there will be a second GB?

Damn. I'm sorry that can't feel good. Maybe you'll find look getting some extras in-stock?
Title: Re: [GB] GMK CYL 1520
Post by: Neely_12 on Fri, 19 April 2024, 17:09:17
I cannot believe I missed this after following this keycap set for literally years.

Any chance there will be a second GB?

Vendors will definitely have extras so keep an eye out. Also, Novelkeys usually hosts extras pre-orders.