Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 27 January 2015, 10:36:31
Now that everyone's seen the goodness of Gateron switches, I decided it was time to at least gauge interest for a Gateron GB. At
Blacks - 50g Linear
Blues - 55g Clicky
Clears - 35g Linear
Browns - 45g Tactile
Reds - 45g Linear
For more info on Gaterons:
Teardown and Review (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68113.0)
Review (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68145.msg1639775#msg1639775)
Build log using Gateron Clears (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68061.0)
Our numbers:
Clears: 11,000
Blacks: 4100
Blues: 8000
Browns: 8200
Reds: 1500
Post by: azhdar on Tue, 27 January 2015, 10:43:21
Now that everyone's seen the goodness of Gateron switches, I decided it was time to at least gauge interest for a Gateron GB. This would be a while in the future considering I haven't found any independent seller that could support a GB and don't know how exactly to go about contacting Gateron (though to have someone who could speak chinese wouldn't hurt). From Taobao, they cost ¥1.30 per, but I'm not sure what kind of pricing we could get for a bulk order. Right now, Gateron offers switches in these flavors:
Blacks - 50g Linear
Blues - 55g Clicky
Clears - 35g Linear
Browns - 45g Tactile
Reds - unknown, maybe someone could translate this (http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.3.Z6qzZ7&id=39950103483&ns=1&abbucket=18#detail) page?
the horrible google translate seems too say "same accentuation point that cherry red "
Post by: frosty on Tue, 27 January 2015, 10:44:00
Post by: justnits on Tue, 27 January 2015, 10:48:43
the only different ones is the gateron clear which is a featherweight linear as opposed to cherry's tactile clear.
Post by: ideus on Tue, 27 January 2015, 10:55:27
Post by: justnits on Tue, 27 January 2015, 11:02:48
Now that everyone's seen the goodness of Gateron switches, I decided it was time to at least gauge interest for a Gateron GB. This would be a while in the future considering I haven't found any independent seller that could support a GB and don't know how exactly to go about contacting Gateron (though to have someone who could speak chinese wouldn't hurt). From Taobao, they cost ¥1.30 per, but I'm not sure what kind of pricing we could get for a bulk order. Right now, Gateron offers switches in these flavors:
Blacks - 50g Linear
Blues - 55g Clicky
Clears - 35g Linear
Browns - 45g Tactile
Reds - unknown, maybe someone could translate this (http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.3.Z6qzZ7&id=39950103483&ns=1&abbucket=18#detail) page?
i've heard from people who tried gaterons before mentions that the gateron clicky blues have a lot of inconsistency in terms of clickiness. same goes to 2nd generations (the one that you linked is 2nd generation gateron)
i only heard the stock linear switches is buttery smooth when compared to stock cherry linears, don't know much about their browns though...
Post by: Sygaldry on Tue, 27 January 2015, 11:05:29
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 27 January 2015, 11:07:59
Post by: evolveS on Tue, 27 January 2015, 11:18:53
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 27 January 2015, 11:20:36
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 27 January 2015, 11:20:50
Just for clarity (haha, pun intended), Gateron clears are light linear switches, as stated in the OP...correct?yep
Post by: byker on Tue, 27 January 2015, 11:21:00
Post by: justnits on Tue, 27 January 2015, 11:21:32
Just for clarity (haha, pun intended), Gateron clears are light linear switches, as stated in the OP...correct?
correct, they are suppose to be lighter than cherry linear red
Post by: hjc1710 on Tue, 27 January 2015, 11:22:04
EDIT: Filled out interest form.
Post by: hjc1710 on Tue, 27 January 2015, 11:29:08
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 27 January 2015, 11:31:51
Wait, does Gateron do PCB mount switches? If so, I might be more interested and get a full 115 clears.
Yes, but you must shave/sand off the friction points on the PCB mounted switches. Else you're going to have a really sore thumb from trying to force them all in.
Post by: Karura on Tue, 27 January 2015, 11:36:25
Only potential issue I see is that: they are untested for durability, perhaps the smoothness felt in the switches might be attributed to lower durability, and the wearing away of the slider... we won't know unless someone uses it for a year or two and reports back.
tl;dr: It is solid as can be.
Gaterons are going to be the next big thing on GH.
Post by: hjc1710 on Tue, 27 January 2015, 11:37:08
Hmmmmm... I can live with that, thanks for the heads up though!Wait, does Gateron do PCB mount switches? If so, I might be more interested and get a full 115 clears.
Yes, but you must shave/sand off the friction points on the PCB mounted switches. Else you're going to have a really sore thumb from trying to force them all in.
Lemme know if this IC ever separates into plate mount and PCB mount, my current form entry assumes plate mount.
Post by: Karura on Tue, 27 January 2015, 11:38:40
Wait, does Gateron do PCB mount switches? If so, I might be more interested and get a full 115 clears.
Yes, but you must shave/sand off the friction points on the PCB mounted switches. Else you're going to have a really sore thumb from trying to force them all in.
We were able to force an unmodded (was it? I forgot) one in right? Then afterwards it was tight to the point of not ever being pulled out?
Post by: Fire Brand on Tue, 27 January 2015, 11:38:59
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 27 January 2015, 12:05:31
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 27 January 2015, 12:10:28
Well, on my dolch I had to press it down a little harder, but i could do it fine without sandingWait, does Gateron do PCB mount switches? If so, I might be more interested and get a full 115 clears.
Yes, but you must shave/sand off the friction points on the PCB mounted switches. Else you're going to have a really sore thumb from trying to force them all in.
We were able to force an unmodded (was it? I forgot) one in right? Then afterwards it was tight to the point of not ever being pulled out?
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 27 January 2015, 12:12:34
I have tested out the switches in person (thanks to Zeal!), and I can confirm that these are the real deal, we had vintage blacks to compare to, and the clear (linear) Gateron was better in all aspects: smoother, slicker, tighter switch top, tighter PCB mount when compared to Cherry MX.
Only potential issue I see is that: they are untested for durability, perhaps the smoothness felt in the switches might be attributed to lower durability, and the wearing away of the slider... we won't know unless someone uses it for a year or two and reports back.
tl;dr: It is solid as can be.Gaterons are going to be the next big thing on GH.
^^^Very nice write up!damn straight yo
Gaterons for the Corsa it is :p
Everyone joining the bandwagon. Chu chuu~~
#LinearGaterons2k15
Well, on my dolch I had to press it down a little harder, but i could do it fine without sandingWait, does Gateron do PCB mount switches? If so, I might be more interested and get a full 115 clears.
Yes, but you must shave/sand off the friction points on the PCB mounted switches. Else you're going to have a really sore thumb from trying to force them all in.
We were able to force an unmodded (was it? I forgot) one in right? Then afterwards it was tight to the point of not ever being pulled out?
Could it be that your Dolch PCB already had "widened" PCB holes? The ones I tested on were brand new PCBs.
Post by: n0rvig on Tue, 27 January 2015, 12:13:42
Post by: justnits on Tue, 27 January 2015, 12:32:43
Wait, does Gateron do PCB mount switches? If so, I might be more interested and get a full 115 clears.
Yes, but you must shave/sand off the friction points on the PCB mounted switches. Else you're going to have a really sore thumb from trying to force them all in.
zeal, you referring to first generation gateron switch or second generation or it's actually a gateron problem?
i heard the first generation gateron switch has slightly larger stem size, whereas the second generation design is almost identical to cherry mx switch.
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 27 January 2015, 12:38:46
Sourcing off Taobao for a GB is pretty silly.OK. And I guess taobao is the only possible source for them right now even at larger quantities. Fair enough.
Swill, the only tactile switch they have are browns.
Is anyone working on trying to find a more reliable source for them yet or is everyone still just seeing if they are any good?
I'm thinking about giving them a long distance call...Gimme some time ;)
Will most likely contact Gateron by phone sometime in Feb. Since EMS price spikes up at shipments over 10-20kg, I'd like to use my DHL discount by setting up an import w/ the manufacture.
Btw, for anyone that's curious about Gateron, they're a Taiwanese founded company in China (like Foxconn), and also use imported plastics (PA12) from Switzerland. They make household/industrial appliance switches, vehincle / waterproof / dustproof switches, and mechanical (Gateron) switches. etc..
Their manufacturing plant is capable of 3 million switches / month.
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 27 January 2015, 14:51:49
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 27 January 2015, 15:34:36
Is there a way to see the total number of orders of each type? Like a script or something to add them all up
If you set up your IC response form in columns, it should be easy to just sum up the columns.
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 27 January 2015, 15:43:12
but that takes, like, work and stuffIs there a way to see the total number of orders of each type? Like a script or something to add them all up
If you set up your IC response form in columns, it should be easy to just sum up the columns.
Post by: FrostyToast on Tue, 27 January 2015, 15:45:17
Post by: Joey Quinn on Tue, 27 January 2015, 17:57:31
Post by: swill on Tue, 27 January 2015, 18:20:25
Post by: Vintage on Tue, 27 January 2015, 18:39:53
Post by: Joey Quinn on Tue, 27 January 2015, 18:42:48
I will fill in the form later tonight. Has anyone tested the browns? Any details at all on them. Are they really close to exact clones of cherry browns?
Are reds or browns softer than cherry tactile switches? I'm also interested in this.
Post by: FunkMasterJ on Tue, 27 January 2015, 18:48:22
Post by: strict on Tue, 27 January 2015, 19:01:05
Post by: jacobolus on Tue, 27 January 2015, 19:18:26
Post by: Sent on Tue, 27 January 2015, 19:22:39
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 27 January 2015, 19:23:07
You guys should talk to MassDrop about this. I suspect they’d be interested, and can probably get a bigger number of orders (= better bulk discounts), as well as handling all the hassle of distribution.I hate massdrop with a passion. Pass
Post by: byker on Tue, 27 January 2015, 19:58:46
You guys should talk to MassDrop about this. I suspect they’d be interested, and can probably get a bigger number of orders (= better bulk discounts), as well as handling all the hassle of distribution.I hate massdrop with a passion. Pass
Samesies ^-^
Post by: strict on Tue, 27 January 2015, 20:02:15
You guys should talk to MassDrop about this. I suspect they�d be interested, and can probably get a bigger number of orders (= better bulk discounts), as well as handling all the hassle of distribution.I hate massdrop with a passion. Pass
Samesies ^-^
+2
Post by: exitfire401 on Tue, 27 January 2015, 20:18:23
Time to get a set of cherrys to swap out the leafs!
Post by: billnye on Tue, 27 January 2015, 20:21:10
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 27 January 2015, 20:22:39
pm sent to you my sir!PM'd replied
Post by: Kira on Tue, 27 January 2015, 20:30:20
Post by: billnye on Tue, 27 January 2015, 20:35:38
If you support fake Cherry switches, that is basically the same as supporting k3kc..... counterfeiters can gtfo :mad:
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 27 January 2015, 20:41:35
No thanks I'll be passing on thisThey aren't fakes. They are cherry compatible. Didn't you read the official thread on this?
If you support fake Cherry switches, that is basically the same as supporting k3kc..... counterfeiters can gtfo :mad:
Post by: Vintage on Tue, 27 January 2015, 20:42:24
And the "softer" feel these are supposed to have intrigues me.
Post by: jacobolus on Tue, 27 January 2015, 20:47:54
If you support fake Cherry switches, that is basically the same as supporting k3kc..... counterfeiters can gtfo :mad:If every product you buy must be a unique invention and not an imitation of someone else’s design, you must have a pretty spartan lifestyle. For instance, I’m pretty sure most of the parts on your car, your TV, your computer, not to mention your plumbing and electrical system, your furniture, your floor and walls and roof, all your clothing, and basically every other artifact you own is full of copied designs, going right back to the invention of the wheel.
Why single out riffs on long-out-of-patent keyswitch designs?
Post by: billnye on Tue, 27 January 2015, 20:51:46
Getaron switches are clearly Cherry fakes. They don't have Gold Crosspoint Technology (TM) which clearly means they are not authentic Cherry.
As a world-tier Cherry connesuir, I cannot endorse the sale of these switches.
We must work together as a community to end Gatorade tyranny
Post by: base_on_base on Tue, 27 January 2015, 20:53:00
Post by: billnye on Tue, 27 January 2015, 20:57:48
Thanks
Cheers
Regards
Bill
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 27 January 2015, 20:58:43
Yes my friends you must see the whole situation
Getaron switches are clearly Cherry fakes. They don't have Gold Crosspoint Technology (TM) which clearly means they are not authentic Cherry.
As a world-tier Cherry connesuir, I cannot endorse the sale of these switches.
We must work together as a community to end Gatorade tyranny
But you see Bill, it does have Gold Crosspoint Technology (TM)! ;)
(http://puu.sh/f7VhJ/b58bb9067c.jpg)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 27 January 2015, 20:58:58
If I send you $100 will you please stop selling illegitimate products on this forum?Show him the light. Send him some cherry boards.
Thanks
Cheers
Regards
Bill
Post by: jacobolus on Tue, 27 January 2015, 21:02:08
Getaron switches are clearly Cherry fakes [...] they are not authentic Cherry.Except no one thinks they are Cherry MX switches... they’re clearly labeled “Gateron”, are made with different materials (different plastics, different metal leaves as you mentioned), and have different slider shape and slightly different housing shape.
Quote
As a world-tier Cherry connesuir, I cannot endorse the sale of these switches. We must work together as a community to end Gatorade tyrannyIs this a joke? Why should the rest of us care what you endorse?
Post by: billnye on Tue, 27 January 2015, 21:02:44
hmm mr zelio sir it seems you have misunderstand
Gatorate switch (as seen on the right) clearly does not have as much girth as official Cherry Crosspoint Technology (TM)
(http://i.imgur.com/5MWyN1M.jpg)
This lack of girth (common in Asia region) means that Geterone switch simply cannot handle intensive use of 50 million clicks.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 27 January 2015, 21:03:37
Getaron switches are clearly Cherry fakes [...] they are not authentic Cherry.Except no one thinks they are Cherry MX switches... they’re clearly labeled “Gateron”, are made with different materials (different plastics, different contacts as you mentioned), and have different slider shape and slightly different housing shape.QuoteAs a world-tier Cherry connesuir, I cannot endorse the sale of these switches. We must work together as a community to end Gatorade tyrannyIs this a joke? Why should the rest of us care what you endorse?
I wish the communist reign of Gatorade was a joke.
Post by: jacobolus on Tue, 27 January 2015, 21:05:27
This lack of girth (common in Asia region) means that Geterone switch simply cannot handle intensive use of 50 million clicks.Can you put the dumb jokes in a new thread in the off topic section? They don’t make much sense, and don’t belong here.
Post by: PunksDead on Tue, 27 January 2015, 21:12:51
Post by: billnye on Tue, 27 January 2015, 21:15:10
65 blacks, come on hwood!he is from Virginia :rolleyes:
Post by: PunksDead on Tue, 27 January 2015, 21:17:25
65 blacks, come on hwood!he is from Virginia :rolleyes:
one of the most "girthiest" states in the Continental US
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 27 January 2015, 21:18:09
What machinery have you used to test said girth durability?
hmm mr zelio sir it seems you have misunderstand
Gatorate switch (as seen on the right) clearly does not have as much girth as official Cherry Crosspoint Technology (TM)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5MWyN1M.jpg)
This lack of girth (common in Asia region) means that Geterone switch simply cannot handle intensive use of 50 million clicks.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 27 January 2015, 21:22:18
What machinery have you used to test said girth durability?
hmm mr zelio sir it seems you have misunderstand
Gatorate switch (as seen on the right) clearly does not have as much girth as official Cherry Crosspoint Technology (TM)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5MWyN1M.jpg)
This lack of girth (common in Asia region) means that Geterone switch simply cannot handle intensive use of 50 million clicks.
Yeah, were these lubricated or not? I get the feeling that would be crucial to properly test the rigors or repetitive use.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 27 January 2015, 21:26:32
Didn't hwood get a free sample of astroglide? Maybe he can compare.What machinery have you used to test said girth durability?
hmm mr zelio sir it seems you have misunderstand
Gatorate switch (as seen on the right) clearly does not have as much girth as official Cherry Crosspoint Technology (TM)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5MWyN1M.jpg)
This lack of girth (common in Asia region) means that Geterone switch simply cannot handle intensive use of 50 million clicks.
Yeah, were these lubricated or not? I get the feeling that would be crucial to properly test the rigors or repetitive use.
Post by: billnye on Tue, 27 January 2015, 21:28:17
What machinery have you used to test said girth durability?
hmm mr zelio sir it seems you have misunderstand
Gatorate switch (as seen on the right) clearly does not have as much girth as official Cherry Crosspoint Technology (TM)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5vxWbEg.jpg)
This lack of girth (common in Asia region) means that Geterone switch simply cannot handle intensive use of 50 million clicks.
Well mr wood,
As you can see from your own image
(http://puu.sh/f7ZWR/d5687d1763.jpg)
The circled hole is clearly entrance point of girth. Through repeated insertions of Goetren, I have hypothesized that a smaller amout of girth will not last as long as Cherry Crosspoint Technology (TM)
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 27 January 2015, 21:31:44
Well first I must ask what formula are you using to calculate girth? And are you taking into account factors like wind resistance and chill level?What machinery have you used to test said girth durability?
hmm mr zelio sir it seems you have misunderstand
Gatorate switch (as seen on the right) clearly does not have as much girth as official Cherry Crosspoint Technology (TM)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5MWyN1M.jpg)
This lack of girth (common in Asia region) means that Geterone switch simply cannot handle intensive use of 50 million clicks.
Well mr wood,
As you can see from your own imageShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/MY7a5yg.jpg)
The circled hole is clearly entrance point of girth. Through repeated insertions of Goetren, I have hypothesized that a smaller amout of girth will not last as long as Cherry Crosspoint Technology (TM)
Post by: billnye on Tue, 27 January 2015, 21:39:46
Well first I must ask what formula are you using to calculate girth? And are you taking into account factors like wind resistance and chill level?What machinery have you used to test said girth durability?
hmm mr zelio sir it seems you have misunderstand
Gatorate switch (as seen on the right) clearly does not have as much girth as official Cherry Crosspoint Technology (TM)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5MWyN1M.jpg)
This lack of girth (common in Asia region) means that Geterone switch simply cannot handle intensive use of 50 million clicks.
Well mr wood,
As you can see from your own imageShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/MY7a5yg.jpg)
The circled hole is clearly entrance point of girth. Through repeated insertions of Goetren, I have hypothesized that a smaller amout of girth will not last as long as Cherry Crosspoint Technology (TM)
I'll let you know I am top of my high school physics class and have a scholarship to NASA
(http://puu.sh/f80TX/5c3949bb51.jpg)
Post by: Hak Foo on Tue, 27 January 2015, 21:50:42
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 27 January 2015, 21:52:19
Well first I must ask what formula are you using to calculate girth? And are you taking into account factors like wind resistance and chill level?What machinery have you used to test said girth durability?
hmm mr zelio sir it seems you have misunderstand
Gatorate switch (as seen on the right) clearly does not have as much girth as official Cherry Crosspoint Technology (TM)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5MWyN1M.jpg)
This lack of girth (common in Asia region) means that Geterone switch simply cannot handle intensive use of 50 million clicks.
Well mr wood,
As you can see from your own imageShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/MY7a5yg.jpg)
The circled hole is clearly entrance point of girth. Through repeated insertions of Goetren, I have hypothesized that a smaller amout of girth will not last as long as Cherry Crosspoint Technology (TM)
I'll let you know I am top of my high school physics class and have a scholarship to NASAShow Image(http://puu.sh/f80TX/5c3949bb51.jpg)
10/10 would calculate
Post by: VesperSAINT on Tue, 27 January 2015, 22:45:38
If I send you $100 will you please stop selling illegitimate products on this forum?
Thanks
Cheers
Regards
Bill
Send the money to me. I'll stop this bullsheet.
Clearly Razer has already optimized the Cherry switch. Why imitate the Cherry switch when you can improve it?
Can we get an interest check for some of these?
Look at how they glow. Higher actuation point for more efficient and faster response. Evolution of Cherry switches. You don't even need to bottom out, if you don't want to. Less press means less energy spent and less time spent. A true gaming and typing revolution.
(http://www.neowin.net/images/uploaded/razer-mechanical-switches-banner-1.jpg)
If you don't like the click, they have a Stealth version too in rad Orange/Brown.
Post by: Fire Brand on Wed, 28 January 2015, 07:04:19
Vesper I need those Rad Awesome Orange Stems (I actually would love them they look cool) :p FYI the green stems look like they are made out of those apple flavored stick sweets with the white fluffy bit running down the middle...I'm not hungry :x
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 28 January 2015, 07:39:06
What machinery have you used to test said girth durability?
hmm mr zelio sir it seems you have misunderstand
Gatorate switch (as seen on the right) clearly does not have as much girth as official Cherry Crosspoint Technology (TM)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5MWyN1M.jpg)
This lack of girth (common in Asia region) means that Geterone switch simply cannot handle intensive use of 50 million clicks.
Is this a joke or a real IC?
Post by: hwood34 on Wed, 28 January 2015, 07:40:02
Yeah it's real there was just a little trolling.What machinery have you used to test said girth durability?
hmm mr zelio sir it seems you have misunderstand
Gatorate switch (as seen on the right) clearly does not have as much girth as official Cherry Crosspoint Technology (TM)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5MWyN1M.jpg)
This lack of girth (common in Asia region) means that Geterone switch simply cannot handle intensive use of 50 million clicks.
Is this a joke or a real IC?
Post by: hwood34 on Wed, 28 January 2015, 07:40:19
Wait that was all a joke right, because if not I'm confused I just want them for clear casings, and possibly the low weight :x (And because I love black stems because they fit with everything :x )Yeah all of it
Vesper I need those Rad Awesome Orange Stems (I actually would love them they look cool)
Post by: swill on Wed, 28 January 2015, 08:15:25
Post by: VesperSAINT on Wed, 28 January 2015, 13:21:49
Wait that was all a joke right, because if not I'm confused I just want them for clear casings, and possibly the low weight :x (And because I love black stems because they fit with everything :x )
Vesper I need those Rad Awesome Orange Stems (I actually would love them they look cool) :p FYI the green stems look like they are made out of those apple flavored stick sweets with the white fluffy bit running down the middle...I'm not hungry :x
I'm pretty interested in these Gaterons too because I'm hearing they're smoooooth, but I don't have a keyboard to throw them in right now :(
Also, I actually tried out both Razer switches... they were actually not bad. The orange one was pretty much browns but higher tactile bump, but the stock caps made them feel like sheet. They're pretty, but nothing to hype about :P Also, paying $160 for a Razer board is crazy.
Post by: Fire Brand on Wed, 28 January 2015, 13:55:33
Wait that was all a joke right, because if not I'm confused I just want them for clear casings, and possibly the low weight :x (And because I love black stems because they fit with everything :x )
Vesper I need those Rad Awesome Orange Stems (I actually would love them they look cool) :p FYI the green stems look like they are made out of those apple flavored stick sweets with the white fluffy bit running down the middle...I'm not hungry :x
I'm pretty interested in these Gaterons too because I'm hearing they're smoooooth, but I don't have a keyboard to throw them in right now :(
Also, I actually tried out both Razer switches... they were actually not bad. The orange one was pretty much browns but higher tactile bump, but the stock caps made them feel like sheet. They're pretty, but nothing to hype about :P Also, paying $160 for a Razer board is crazy.
Aww thats no fun, but you might as well get them encase you know :)
I was just saying I wouldn't mind having just the stems because they are nice colours :p
Post by: 00zeRO on Wed, 28 January 2015, 15:20:08
Interest form filled out to the max, yo
Post by: VesperSAINT on Wed, 28 January 2015, 15:27:07
Aww thats no fun, but you might as well get them encase you know :)
I was just saying I wouldn't mind having just the stems because they are nice colours :p
It's true~ They're both pretty colors :'(
Post by: ideus on Wed, 28 January 2015, 15:34:50
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 28 January 2015, 15:55:20
I just recalled the first time someone at GH wrote about these SW clones when a vendor began selling them and many GH members crucified him, now even a GB is getting started with the blessing of some of the elders around, it is amazing, and confusing.
Different situation though. Those switches were not explicitly mentioned as Kailh / desoldered Cherry switches. This IC explicitly states they're Gateron Switches, and a few of us have reviewed them and found the linears to be surprisingly smooth.
Post by: jacobolus on Wed, 28 January 2015, 16:41:40
I just recalled the first time someone at GH wrote about these SW clones when a vendor began selling them and many GH members crucified him,Have a link? Some geekhackers are very reactionary and tribal and love to dog-pile people. Not too surprising that someone selling MX clones could trigger an unreasonable response. What’s “SW”?
Edit: nevermind. Apparently was when a vendor started selling “red” and “brown” keyswitches that looked very similar to MX, without explicitly pointing out that they were knockoffs. Seller got crucified because people rightly thought it was shady. [I wasn’t paying attention to this topic, so I have no comment on whether the reaction was proportionate.]
Post by: ideus on Wed, 28 January 2015, 16:44:27
I just recalled the first time someone at GH wrote about these SW clones when a vendor began selling them and many GH members crucified him,Have a link? Some geekhackers are very reactionary and tribal and love to dog-pile people. Not too surprising that someone selling MX clones could trigger an unreasonable response. What�s �SW�?
We all know the vendor, and I do not have the intention to get that fire up again. What called my attention is how good at it the community is now.
Post by: jacobolus on Wed, 28 January 2015, 17:27:05
What called my attention is how good at it the community is now.How good at what the community is now? Accepting gateron/gaote/kaihua switches?
Post by: hwood34 on Wed, 28 January 2015, 17:56:30
Post by: 00zeRO on Wed, 28 January 2015, 21:25:18
I think that cost is the hot button at backside of this question...most people, myself included, have a problem with an alledged knockoff that is the same cost, not lower, as the original, am I wrong?What called my attention is how good at it the community is now.How good at what the community is now? Accepting gateron/gaote/kaihua switches?
Post by: ideus on Wed, 28 January 2015, 21:42:38
I think that cost is the hot button at backside of this question...most people, myself included, have a problem with an alledged knockoff that is the same cost, not lower, as the original, am I wrong?What called my attention is how good at it the community is now.How good at what the community is now? Accepting gateron/gaote/kaihua switches?
I do not have anything against clones, their availability will make the prices of switches to get down, eventually. The patent is already lapsed so any company with the proper resources can make some MX'es. Different alternatives and sources are good for keyboard enthusiasts so I do not see any harm in that side in my humble opinion.
What seems to be like a double politics is now "us" cheering up for a switch clone GB while some of the same members criticized a vendor who offered some other clones just a few months ago. In the other hand is a good thing that GH is now more open to these new alternatives in the keyboard switch market.
Post by: 00zeRO on Wed, 28 January 2015, 21:49:24
Hear, hearI think that cost is the hot button at backside of this question...most people, myself included, have a problem with an alledged knockoff that is the same cost, not lower, as the original, am I wrong?What called my attention is how good at it the community is now.How good at what the community is now? Accepting gateron/gaote/kaihua switches?
I do not have anything against clones, their availability will make the prices of switches to get down, eventually. The patent is already lapsed so any company with the proper resources can make some MX'es. Different alternatives and sources are good for keyboard enthusiasts so I do not see any harm in that side in my humble opinion.
What seems to be like a double politics is now "us" cheering up for a switch clone GB while some of the same members criticized a vendor who offered some other clones just a few months ago. In the other hand is a good thing that GH is now more open to these new alternatives in the keyboard switch market.
Post by: hwood34 on Wed, 28 January 2015, 21:51:17
I think that cost is the hot button at backside of this question...most people, myself included, have a problem with an alledged knockoff that is the same cost, not lower, as the original, am I wrong?What called my attention is how good at it the community is now.How good at what the community is now? Accepting gateron/gaote/kaihua switches?
I do not have anything against clones, their availability will make the prices of switches to get down, eventually. The patent is already lapsed so any company with the proper resources can make some MX'es. Different alternatives and sources are good for keyboard enthusiasts so I do not see any harm in that side in my humble opinion.
What seems to be like a double politics is now "us" cheering up for a switch clone GB while some of the same members criticized a vendor who offered some other clones just a few months ago. In the other hand is a good thing that GH is now more open to these new alternatives in the keyboard switch market.
Apparently was when a vendor started selling “red” and “brown” keyswitches that looked very similar to MX, without explicitly pointing out that they were knockoffs. Seller got crucified because people rightly thought it was shady.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 28 January 2015, 22:05:00
Post by: hwood34 on Wed, 28 January 2015, 22:16:11
We are good pharisees, more devoted than the pope, and armed with stones to hit any sinner at sight, not able to see the log in our own eye :'((http://riverofhopehutchinson.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/wait-what-gif.gif)
Post by: pichu23 on Wed, 28 January 2015, 22:23:06
Post by: hwood34 on Wed, 28 January 2015, 23:22:25
If we can get a bulk order price then I'm in for 90 gateron clears. :)right now, once we hit 10k of a switch, it becomes 0.99 yuan/switch.
Post by: rand77 on Wed, 28 January 2015, 23:59:40
Post by: jabbon on Thu, 29 January 2015, 00:41:15
I would be in for 200 clears. I would really enjoy a soft linear switch which is smoother than Cherry.
+1
Would want, if the price shipped to europe is right, 200 clears
Post by: 2TallTim on Thu, 29 January 2015, 08:13:04
Post by: hking0036 on Thu, 29 January 2015, 08:32:26
pm sent to you my sir!PM'd replied
Yes my friends you must see the whole situation
Getaron switches are clearly Cherry fakes. They don't have Gold Crosspoint Technology (TM) which clearly means they are not authentic Cherry.
As a world-tier Cherry connesuir, I cannot endorse the sale of these switches.
We must work together as a community to end Gatorade tyranny
What did you say to them wood? Completely flipped in 30 minutes.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 29 January 2015, 09:03:39
pm sent to you my sir!PM'd repliedYes my friends you must see the whole situation
Getaron switches are clearly Cherry fakes. They don't have Gold Crosspoint Technology (TM) which clearly means they are not authentic Cherry.
As a world-tier Cherry connesuir, I cannot endorse the sale of these switches.
We must work together as a community to end Gatorade tyranny
What did you say to them wood? Completely flipped in 30 minutes.
billnye is trolling, don't worry about that.
I think that cost is the hot button at backside of this question...most people, myself included, have a problem with an alledged knockoff that is the same cost, not lower, as the original, am I wrong?What called my attention is how good at it the community is now.How good at what the community is now? Accepting gateron/gaote/kaihua switches?
I do not have anything against clones, their availability will make the prices of switches to get down, eventually. The patent is already lapsed so any company with the proper resources can make some MX'es. Different alternatives and sources are good for keyboard enthusiasts so I do not see any harm in that side in my humble opinion.
What seems to be like a double politics is now "us" cheering up for a switch clone GB while some of the same members criticized a vendor who offered some other clones just a few months ago. In the other hand is a good thing that GH is now more open to these new alternatives in the keyboard switch market.Apparently was when a vendor started selling �red� and �brown� keyswitches that looked very similar to MX, without explicitly pointing out that they were knockoffs. Seller got crucified because people rightly thought it was shady.
Yeah, the whole issue there was that they were marketed as Cherry MX. And unless I'm mistaken and this is a completely unrelated situation, this thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56405.0) should be relevant. I don't recall seeing anyone up in arms about the existence of clones (it's perfectly acceptable, now that the patent has expired). The issue was marketing (or potentially marketing) them as legitimate.
But again, it's possible that the situation in question is different from what I'm referring to.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 29 January 2015, 09:18:39
Yeah, the whole issue there was that they were marketed as Cherry MX. And unless I'm mistaken and this is a completely unrelated situation, this thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56405.0) should be relevant.
This thread is what you want https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56406.0
Post by: ccc24 on Sat, 31 January 2015, 14:27:11
Post by: monotagary on Sat, 31 January 2015, 18:52:00
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 31 January 2015, 19:09:53
What is the difference between these versions and "Kailh" switches?
Remembered a few months back everyone was booing and hissing at them when they started filling up Razer, Noppoo and various other Chinese made keyboards. NO one wanted them then suddenly I see everyone here including a few older members, chaffing at the bit to buy some suspect Chinese made copies of our favourite CherryMX switch.
Why don't you guys stick with the Original CherryMX switch rather than go blind into buying various other poorly made copies (just presuming that all copies are inferior to the original)?
Post by: ideus on Sat, 31 January 2015, 19:22:33
This is a simple question to those lusting after these so-called "Gateron" switches;
What is the difference between these versions and "Kailh" switches?
Remembered a few months back everyone was booing and hissing at them when they started filling up Razer, Noppoo and various other Chinese made keyboards. NO one wanted them then suddenly I see everyone here including a few older members, chaffing at the bit to buy some suspect Chinese made copies of our favourite CherryMX switch.
Why don't you guys stick with the Original CherryMX switch rather than go blind into buying various other poorly made copies (just presuming that all copies are inferior to the original)?
Some have reported that these are very smooth, I think that report has fueled the interest in these, I agree that we should prefer the originals while they last; with these new prices if people get moving to the cheaper copies I think Cherry will eventually stop to manufacture their own switches. That may mean our boards with original Cherry will become all collector's items, but I think that may damage the keyboard aficionado communities. I really hope that scenario to be far in time, meanwhile I am buying the Cherry switches I need to have my own stock for my keyboards. I will let the crowd to go and buy the copies.
Post by: Findecanor on Sat, 31 January 2015, 19:45:20
I will fill in the form later tonight. Has anyone tested the browns? Any details at all on them. Are they really close to exact clones of cherry browns?Yesterday, I saw a post that linked to Gateron's official force graphs for brown and blue. Today, I can't find it... Anyone know what I am talking about?
Post by: monotagary on Sat, 31 January 2015, 20:24:08
This is a simple question to those lusting after these so-called "Gateron" switches;
What is the difference between these versions and "Kailh" switches?
Remembered a few months back everyone was booing and hissing at them when they started filling up Razer, Noppoo and various other Chinese made keyboards. NO one wanted them then suddenly I see everyone here including a few older members, chaffing at the bit to buy some suspect Chinese made copies of our favourite CherryMX switch.
Why don't you guys stick with the Original CherryMX switch rather than go blind into buying various other poorly made copies (just presuming that all copies are inferior to the original)?
Always eloquent Elrick. ;D
Supposedly the linear switches are as smooth as or smoother than vintage blacks, which I think is the biggest draw to these.
Post by: Hak Foo on Sat, 31 January 2015, 21:26:36
Post by: hwood34 on Sat, 31 January 2015, 21:57:22
This is a simple question to those lusting after these so-called "Gateron" switches;I hope your trolling?
What is the difference between these versions and "Kailh" switches?
Remembered a few months back everyone was booing and hissing at them when they started filling up Razer, Noppoo and various other Chinese made keyboards. NO one wanted them then suddenly I see everyone here including a few older members, chaffing at the bit to buy some suspect Chinese made copies of our favourite CherryMX switch.
Why don't you guys stick with the Original CherryMX switch rather than go blind into buying various other poorly made copies (just presuming that all copies are inferior to the original)?
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 31 January 2015, 21:58:38
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 31 January 2015, 22:00:42
This is a simple question to those lusting after these so-called "Gateron" switches;I hope your trolling?
What is the difference between these versions and "Kailh" switches?
Remembered a few months back everyone was booing and hissing at them when they started filling up Razer, Noppoo and various other Chinese made keyboards. NO one wanted them then suddenly I see everyone here including a few older members, chaffing at the bit to buy some suspect Chinese made copies of our favourite CherryMX switch.
Why don't you guys stick with the Original CherryMX switch rather than go blind into buying various other poorly made copies (just presuming that all copies are inferior to the original)?
It's alright. If they don't want to enjoy the great feeling of linear gaterons, then so be it. ;)
Plus Gateron was founded in Taiwan, just their plant is in China. Plastics are imported from Switzerland. I have faith in Taiwanese tech (totally not biased ;)).
Elrick, if you'd like to read more about these gaterons, I made a mini build log here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68061.0
Post by: hwood34 on Sat, 31 January 2015, 22:05:54
Also: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68113.0This is a simple question to those lusting after these so-called "Gateron" switches;I hope your trolling?
What is the difference between these versions and "Kailh" switches?
Remembered a few months back everyone was booing and hissing at them when they started filling up Razer, Noppoo and various other Chinese made keyboards. NO one wanted them then suddenly I see everyone here including a few older members, chaffing at the bit to buy some suspect Chinese made copies of our favourite CherryMX switch.
Why don't you guys stick with the Original CherryMX switch rather than go blind into buying various other poorly made copies (just presuming that all copies are inferior to the original)?
It's alright. If they don't want to enjoy the great feeling of linear gaterons, then so be it. ;)
Plus Gateron was founded in Taiwan, just their plant is in China. Plastics are imported from Switzerland. I have faith in Taiwanese tech (totally not biased ;)).
Elrick, if you'd like to read more about these gaterons, I made a mini build log here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68061.0
Post by: jacobolus on Sat, 31 January 2015, 23:08:42
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 01 February 2015, 01:25:51
Plus Gateron was founded in Taiwan, just their plant is in China. Plastics are imported from Switzerland. I have faith in Taiwanese tech (totally not biased ;) ).
Elrick, if you'd like to read more about these gaterons, I made a mini build log here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68061.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68061.0)
Get the feeling from all the pictures I've seen of these Gateron's, that they seem to come in CLEAR switch casings, is that why you are all so more excited about owning?
They are definitely new and look exactly like our traditional CherryMX switches BUT are you sure they can last 50 million times when used?
Post by: Nai_Calus on Sun, 01 February 2015, 04:54:52
I got to play with some loose Gaterons at the bay area meetup. They all seemed nice. The clicky ones have a slightly different sounding click than loose MX blue switches, but it’s hard to get a good sense of them outside the context of a keyboard. The linear ones are definitely smoother than recent linear MX switches. Again it’s a bit hard to judge the feel or stiffness of loose switches.
Yeah, the board that the blues got put into for demonstration purposes sounded different and felt a little different than my MX Blues here at home. As for the clears... *steals mini USB cable from PS3 contoller and plugs in board* They're super, super light and very smooth, it takes almost no force at all to type on them. It's actually a little awkward, I'm getting a ton of errors typing this because they activate so easily. Like, almost no resistance at all. Kind of nice actually, like typing on a cloud.
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 01 February 2015, 06:00:17
Plus Gateron was founded in Taiwan, just their plant is in China. Plastics are imported from Switzerland. I have faith in Taiwanese tech (totally not biased ;) ).
Elrick, if you'd like to read more about these gaterons, I made a mini build log here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68061.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68061.0)
Get the feeling from all the pictures I've seen of these Gateron's, that they seem to come in CLEAR switch casings, is that why you are all so more excited about owning?
They are definitely new and look exactly like our traditional CherryMX switches BUT are you sure they can last 50 million times when used?
The smoothness of their linears is what attracts my attention. The translucent whitish housing is just a Cherry on top (no pun intended)!
Only time will tell regarding durability ;)
Post by: whentheclouds on Sun, 01 February 2015, 06:04:33
Only time will tell regarding durability ;)early adopter risk, as i see it.
i didn't fill the form because i'd just buy from Zeal when he stocks them
Post by: strict on Sun, 01 February 2015, 07:53:08
The smoothness of their linears is what attracts my attention. The translucent whitish housing is just a Cherry on top (no pun intended)!
Only time will tell regarding durability ;)
+1
I think what caught most peoples attention was that these are supposedly as smooth or smoother than vintage/nixdorf blacks. The opaque housing is certainly neat but not enough on its own to drive this kind of interest. I'm more than willing to take the risk of questionable durability. If they are trash and die its not like they would damage a PCB or anything. The worst thing you would have to deal with are dead switches and that can be fixed easily and quickly.
Post by: hwood34 on Sun, 01 February 2015, 09:11:43
Well, it mostly has to do with the smooth stems, with the clear casing being a plus. And at this point, I see absolutely no reason why the would last for the rated amount of time.Plus Gateron was founded in Taiwan, just their plant is in China. Plastics are imported from Switzerland. I have faith in Taiwanese tech (totally not biased ;) ).
Elrick, if you'd like to read more about these gaterons, I made a mini build log here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68061.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68061.0)
Get the feeling from all the pictures I've seen of these Gateron's, that they seem to come in CLEAR switch casings, is that why you are all so more excited about owning?
They are definitely new and look exactly like our traditional CherryMX switches BUT are you sure they can last 50 million times when used?
Post by: snipars on Sun, 01 February 2015, 10:26:15
people who have used them, which of the linear switches did you enjoy using the most?
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Mon, 02 February 2015, 21:44:38
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 02 February 2015, 21:50:49
btw gateron has an email (redacted) you should just try contacting them :thumb:
:rolleyes:
Post by: Kira on Mon, 02 February 2015, 22:11:50
Post by: Oobly on Tue, 03 February 2015, 01:37:34
This is a simple question to those lusting after these so-called "Gateron" switches;
What is the difference between these versions and "Kailh" switches?
Remembered a few months back everyone was booing and hissing at them when they started filling up Razer, Noppoo and various other Chinese made keyboards. NO one wanted them then suddenly I see everyone here including a few older members, chaffing at the bit to buy some suspect Chinese made copies of our favourite CherryMX switch.
Why don't you guys stick with the Original CherryMX switch rather than go blind into buying various other poorly made copies (just presuming that all copies are inferior to the original)?
After Cherry got bought by the ZF group, the quality control has not been as good as in the past. They also seem to be rushing the process a bit and this results in more prominent mold lines on the stems, making them all "scratchy". It takes a LONG time for these newer ones to wear in and the scratchiness to fade. They are also, contrary to their catchy marketing-speak, NOT innovating anything in their MX line, whereas companies like Kaihua and Gateron are doing something a little different (higher actuation point on Razer versions, 35g springs on Gateron "Clears", etc.). The linear sliders of these are apparently really smooth (like a new Cherry MX should be, but isn't).
As long as they don't brand them as Cherry MX switches, there isn't a legal issue here and ethically it's acceptable for most since they're doing more than just making clones, but "improving" the design in their own way.
If Cherry doesn't wake up soon, they're going to lose a big chunk of their market to these "clones". If I were Cherry (or even a clone maker) I would change the range to all 62g springs (measured like Korean springs) and just one of each type (clicky, tactile, linear), with the tactile using Clear stems.
Post by: 00zeRO on Tue, 03 February 2015, 09:01:27
This is a simple question to those lusting after these so-called "Gateron" switches;
What is the difference between these versions and "Kailh" switches?
Remembered a few months back everyone was booing and hissing at them when they started filling up Razer, Noppoo and various other Chinese made keyboards. NO one wanted them then suddenly I see everyone here including a few older members, chaffing at the bit to buy some suspect Chinese made copies of our favourite CherryMX switch.
Why don't you guys stick with the Original CherryMX switch rather than go blind into buying various other poorly made copies (just presuming that all copies are inferior to the original)?
After Cherry got bought by the ZF group, the quality control has not been as good as in the past. They also seem to be rushing the process a bit and this results in more prominent mold lines on the stems, making them all "scratchy". It takes a LONG time for these newer ones to wear in and the scratchiness to fade. They are also, contrary to their catchy marketing-speak, NOT innovating anything in their MX line, whereas companies like Kaihua and Gateron are doing something a little different (higher actuation point on Razer versions, 35g springs on Gateron "Clears", etc.). The linear sliders of these are apparently really smooth (like a new Cherry MX should be, but isn't).
As long as they don't brand them as Cherry MX switches, there isn't a legal issue here and ethically it's acceptable for most since they're doing more than just making clones, but "improving" the design in their own way.
If Cherry doesn't wake up soon, they're going to lose a big chunk of their market to these "clones". If I were Cherry (or even a clone maker) I would change the range to all 62g springs (measured like Korean springs) and just one of each type (clicky, tactile, linear), with the tactile using Clear stems.
Don't forget the ability to still use MX-stemmed keycaps to customize your keyboard. Win all around, I say.
Post by: snipars on Wed, 04 February 2015, 02:01:06
Post by: jacobolus on Wed, 04 February 2015, 02:06:40
Post by: 00zeRO on Wed, 04 February 2015, 08:47:42
It seems odd to me that a lot of people are wanting to buy the gateron clears which are lighter than MX red, since most people on here tend to complain about MX red being too light
New shiny things...we are kind of like fish or ravens in that respect.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 04 February 2015, 08:54:22
The Blues feel like they took a Kailh Blue (which feels pretty much like an MX Blue (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=62357.0)) and moved the actuation point up to about where an Alps switch would be. Not my favorite to be honest. If I want clicky Alps, I'll use clicky Alps :).
But the Gateron Blacks I've been comparing to a Nixdorf Black and stock worn-in/old MX Black. I think it's smoother than the old MX Black. And compares very favorably to the Nixdorfs. The Nixdorfs are still a touch lighter but about the same smoothness I think. I'll have to play some more. But I'm hoping that if I just grab Gateron Blacks and swap the springs, I can get a Nixdorf-esque feeling without the Nixdorf hunt and prices. More impressions as I keep playing.
Shoutouts to hwood34 for loaning me some Gatorade.
Edit: Initial impressions (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=33130.msg1619704#msg1619704)
Post by: snipars on Wed, 04 February 2015, 09:34:24
FWIW, I've been playing with these for a few days in keychains. I've got the Gateron Blacks and Blues. I'm more interested in the Blacks.
The Blues feel like they took a Kailh Blue (which feels pretty much like an MX Blue (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=62357.0)) and moved the actuation point up to about where an Alps switch would be. Not my favorite to be honest. If I want clicky Alps, I'll use clicky Alps :).
But the Gateron Blacks I've been comparing to a Nixdorf Black and stock worn-in/old MX Black. I think it's smoother than the old MX Black. And compares very favorably to the Nixdorfs. The Nixdorfs are still a touch lighter but about the same smoothness I think. I'll have to play some more. But I'm hoping that if I just grab Gateron Blacks and swap the springs, I can get a Nixdorf-esque feeling without the Nixdorf hunt and prices. More impressions as I keep playing.
Shoutouts to hwood34 for loaning me some Gatorade.
Edit: Initial impressions (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=33130.msg1619704#msg1619704)
It's great to be hearing that these are good, although do you know anything aobut how durable they might be?
Post by: monotagary on Wed, 04 February 2015, 09:36:29
FWIW, I've been playing with these for a few days in keychains. I've got the Gateron Blacks and Blues. I'm more interested in the Blacks.
The Blues feel like they took a Kailh Blue (which feels pretty much like an MX Blue (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=62357.0)) and moved the actuation point up to about where an Alps switch would be. Not my favorite to be honest. If I want clicky Alps, I'll use clicky Alps :) .
But the Gateron Blacks I've been comparing to a Nixdorf Black and stock worn-in/old MX Black. I think it's smoother than the old MX Black. And compares very favorably to the Nixdorfs. The Nixdorfs are still a touch lighter but about the same smoothness I think. I'll have to play some more. But I'm hoping that if I just grab Gateron Blacks and swap the springs, I can get a Nixdorf-esque feeling without the Nixdorf hunt and prices. More impressions as I keep playing.
Shoutouts to hwood34 for loaning me some Gatorade.
Edit: Initial impressions (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=33130.msg1619704#msg1619704)
It's great to be hearing that these are good, although do you know anything aobut how durable they might be?
It's probably too early to tell. Until a few people start getting full boards of these and using them daily, I don't think their durability can be gauged.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 04 February 2015, 09:37:00
It's the same issue with Kailhs. Except I actually own a Kailh board so maybe I should transplant them and start typing.
Post by: snipars on Wed, 04 February 2015, 09:48:22
Um I mean I could buy some and do some destructive tests to them but I don't think anyone in the community has had enough time on them. Let me build me build a board with Gaterons and type on it in a year. I'll let you know then.
It's the same issue with Kailhs. Except I actually own a Kailh board so maybe I should transplant them and start typing.
I think if i build an ergodox or a GON i'll use gaterons
Post by: Sygaldry on Wed, 04 February 2015, 09:51:43
It seems odd to me that a lot of people are wanting to buy the gateron clears which are lighter than MX red, since most people on here tend to complain about MX red being too lightNot sure if many think reds are too light since there is a whole camp of us that like Blacks with super light (50 or 55g) springs. I think it's more likely that people here tend to avoid reds because blacks are supposedly better than reds even with the same springs.
Post by: snipars on Wed, 04 February 2015, 09:53:26
It seems odd to me that a lot of people are wanting to buy the gateron clears which are lighter than MX red, since most people on here tend to complain about MX red being too lightNot sure if many think reds are too light since there is a whole camp of us that like Blacks with super light (50 or 55g) springs. I think it's more likely that people here tend to avoid reds because blacks are supposedly better than reds even with the same springs.
oh so the stems are supposedly better? i assumed they were the same
Post by: hwood34 on Wed, 04 February 2015, 09:54:02
That's the spirit :thumb:Um I mean I could buy some and do some destructive tests to them but I don't think anyone in the community has had enough time on them. Let me build me build a board with Gaterons and type on it in a year. I'll let you know then.
It's the same issue with Kailhs. Except I actually own a Kailh board so maybe I should transplant them and start typing.
I think if i build an ergodox or a GON i'll use gaterons
Post by: 00zeRO on Wed, 04 February 2015, 10:56:19
My goal is to do this with my Phantom build...That's the spirit :thumb:Um I mean I could buy some and do some destructive tests to them but I don't think anyone in the community has had enough time on them. Let me build me build a board with Gaterons and type on it in a year. I'll let you know then.
It's the same issue with Kailhs. Except I actually own a Kailh board so maybe I should transplant them and start typing.
I think if i build an ergodox or a GON i'll use gaterons
Post by: Fnzzy on Fri, 06 February 2015, 12:09:47
It seems odd to me that a lot of people are wanting to buy the gateron clears which are lighter than MX red, since most people on here tend to complain about MX red being too light
I don't care about the weight, I have my own springs laying around. I want the switches for their nice looking housing and for having "linear clears". I like to have 62g clears for the alphas and then linear switches for the modifiers, and with Gateron Clears I can have that setup and the switches will all look the same! Also, I want to try those 35g springs with browns to see if it increases the tactile feel.
With that said, 110 Gateron clears please!
EDIT: Filled out the form and accidentally put "ß" in the field for blacks, please ignore that. I am only interested in 110 clears :)
Post by: snipars on Fri, 06 February 2015, 12:26:42
It seems odd to me that a lot of people are wanting to buy the gateron clears which are lighter than MX red, since most people on here tend to complain about MX red being too light
I don't care about the weight, I have my own springs laying around. I want the switches for their nice looking housing and for having "linear clears". I like to have 62g clears for the alphas and then linear switches for the modifiers, and with Gateron Clears I can have that setup and the switches will all look the same! Also, I want to try those 35g springs with browns to see if it increases the tactile feel.
With that said, 110 Gateron clears please!
EDIT: Filled out the form and accidentally put "ß" in the field for blacks, please ignore that. I am only interested in 110 clears :)
are the gateron clears the only ones to have transparent housing?
Post by: monotagary on Fri, 06 February 2015, 12:29:34
It seems odd to me that a lot of people are wanting to buy the gateron clears which are lighter than MX red, since most people on here tend to complain about MX red being too light
I don't care about the weight, I have my own springs laying around. I want the switches for their nice looking housing and for having "linear clears". I like to have 62g clears for the alphas and then linear switches for the modifiers, and with Gateron Clears I can have that setup and the switches will all look the same! Also, I want to try those 35g springs with browns to see if it increases the tactile feel.
With that said, 110 Gateron clears please!
EDIT: Filled out the form and accidentally put "ß" in the field for blacks, please ignore that. I am only interested in 110 clears :)
are the gateron clears the only ones to have transparent housing?
Nope, all of the Gaterons should have clear housing.
Post by: Ngt on Fri, 06 February 2015, 16:47:15
Post by: sethk_ on Fri, 06 February 2015, 16:49:47
I'm not sure if I want to order some. Will I be able to participate in the GB even though I don't register in the IC?Yeah, these are to just see if it is worth it to run the GB's and see what price point they will most likely hit.
Post by: Ngt on Fri, 06 February 2015, 16:51:32
OK thanks.I'm not sure if I want to order some. Will I be able to participate in the GB even though I don't register in the IC?Yeah, these are to just see if it is worth it to run the GB's and see what price point they will most likely hit.
Post by: monotagary on Sat, 07 February 2015, 02:49:51
Intrest form filled out, let's make this IC into a reality.
Post by: Sniping on Sat, 07 February 2015, 02:56:13
Ignore the black switch housing, that's a Gateron clear stem.
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 07 February 2015, 05:23:26
I want to let everyone know that Gateron clears are tactile. I think there's a LOT of confusion about the clears.
Ignore the black switch housing, that's a Gateron clear stem.
Can't tell if troll or troll.
Post by: Paranoid on Sat, 07 February 2015, 06:01:32
Post by: Ngt on Sat, 07 February 2015, 08:04:58
I want to let everyone know that Gateron clears are tactile. I think there's a LOT of confusion about the clears.It looks like the clear has a threshold to pass like tactile stem has, however the test is not the best I have seen.
Ignore the black switch housing, that's a Gateron clear stem.
Post by: Findecanor on Sat, 07 February 2015, 08:18:01
Has anybody tried the browns?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 07 February 2015, 08:22:04
I am interested in white switches for my white keyboard. I wish that there were white Cherry stabilisers also, but I suppose that I could paint those.I've seen white stabilizers before from an old board.
Has anybody tried the browns?
Post by: Sniping on Sat, 07 February 2015, 11:02:55
I want to let everyone know that Gateron clears are tactile. I think there's a LOT of confusion about the clears.
Ignore the black switch housing, that's a Gateron clear stem.
Can't tell if troll or troll.
It's not an MX clear if that's what you're trying to say. The bump is WAY too low in the keystroke to be an MX clear.
Post by: Sniping on Sat, 07 February 2015, 11:23:52
I swapped the Gateron red and black stem into a Cherry MX housing (black), and they seem to do the same thing as the clear did.
Post by: Ngt on Sat, 07 February 2015, 11:27:49
Sorry guys, I'm wrong.
I swapped the Gateron red and black stem into a Cherry MX housing (black), and they seem to do the same thing as the clear did.
Do you mean the test is worthless?
Post by: hwood34 on Sat, 07 February 2015, 11:46:54
Clears: 6006
Blacks: 3836
Blues: 2864
Browns: 2561
Reds: 1386
Post by: snipars on Sat, 07 February 2015, 11:51:00
Sorry guys, I'm wrong.
I swapped the Gateron red and black stem into a Cherry MX housing (black), and they seem to do the same thing as the clear did.
I'm not sure I understand, are the gateron clears linear or tactile?
Post by: Sniping on Sat, 07 February 2015, 12:02:25
Post by: Ngt on Sat, 07 February 2015, 12:13:41
Alright, numbers are looking good so far. With the MOQ I'm now getting from Gateron, unless we can come up with another 15k orders per switch :p , the buy is going to have to come from a vendor. It shouldn't be too hard to find one with the numbers we have so far:
Clears: 6006
Blacks: 3836
Blues: 2864
Browns: 2561
Reds: 1386
Does it mean the vendor will have to order the 15k missing for each type of switch? Or are so limitations only for order that are not made by professionals?
Post by: hwood34 on Sat, 07 February 2015, 12:17:52
Well, since these vendors already have to order the 20k switches, they should have enough to be able to accommodate our needs alreadyAlright, numbers are looking good so far. With the MOQ I'm now getting from Gateron, unless we can come up with another 15k orders per switch :p , the buy is going to have to come from a vendor. It shouldn't be too hard to find one with the numbers we have so far:
Clears: 6006
Blacks: 3836
Blues: 2864
Browns: 2561
Reds: 1386
Does it mean the vendor will have to order the 15k missing for each type of switch? Or are so limitations only for order that are not made by professionals?
Post by: Ngt on Sat, 07 February 2015, 12:39:54
Well, since these vendors already have to order the 20k switches, they should have enough to be able to accommodate our needs alreadyAlright, numbers are looking good so far. With the MOQ I'm now getting from Gateron, unless we can come up with another 15k orders per switch :p , the buy is going to have to come from a vendor. It shouldn't be too hard to find one with the numbers we have so far:
Clears: 6006
Blacks: 3836
Blues: 2864
Browns: 2561
Reds: 1386
Does it mean the vendor will have to order the 15k missing for each type of switch? Or are so limitations only for order that are not made by professionals?
So we only need to wait for one of these vendors to stock up and make a massive buy to them?
Post by: monotagary on Sat, 07 February 2015, 13:03:06
Well, since these vendors already have to order the 20k switches, they should have enough to be able to accommodate our needs alreadyAlright, numbers are looking good so far. With the MOQ I'm now getting from Gateron, unless we can come up with another 15k orders per switch :p , the buy is going to have to come from a vendor. It shouldn't be too hard to find one with the numbers we have so far:
Clears: 6006
Blacks: 3836
Blues: 2864
Browns: 2561
Reds: 1386
Does it mean the vendor will have to order the 15k missing for each type of switch? Or are so limitations only for order that are not made by professionals?
So we only need to wait for one of these vendors to stock up and make a massive buy to them?
That's what it sounds like to me. And I'm sure with this volume any third party vendor would be willing to help us out.
Post by: csnickba on Sat, 07 February 2015, 13:13:57
Post by: Ngt on Sat, 07 February 2015, 13:17:23
If you guys are still taking orders I'm down for 61 clears
AFAIK, it is only an interest check and not a GB.
Post by: Fnzzy on Sat, 07 February 2015, 13:20:33
Post by: csnickba on Sat, 07 February 2015, 13:21:33
They still need a count on how many they will need if they go through with a group buy. I misread though so that's my bad.If you guys are still taking orders I'm down for 61 clears
AFAIK, it is only an interest check and not a GB.
Post by: hwood34 on Sat, 07 February 2015, 13:27:34
I am guessing the gaterongs are compatible with cherry top housing?Yep, every Gateron part is compatible with every Cherry part and vice-versa
Well, right now there's only one or two vendors selling Gaterons, so I'm trying to get in touch with them to gauge their stockWell, since these vendors already have to order the 20k switches, they should have enough to be able to accommodate our needs alreadyAlright, numbers are looking good so far. With the MOQ I'm now getting from Gateron, unless we can come up with another 15k orders per switch :p , the buy is going to have to come from a vendor. It shouldn't be too hard to find one with the numbers we have so far:
Clears: 6006
Blacks: 3836
Blues: 2864
Browns: 2561
Reds: 1386
Does it mean the vendor will have to order the 15k missing for each type of switch? Or are so limitations only for order that are not made by professionals?
So we only need to wait for one of these vendors to stock up and make a massive buy to them?
That's what it sounds like to me. And I'm sure with this volume any third party vendor would be willing to help us out.
Post by: monotagary on Sat, 07 February 2015, 13:44:26
I am guessing the gaterongs are compatible with cherry top housing?Yep, every Gateron part is compatible with every Cherry part and vice-versaWell, right now there's only one or two vendors selling Gaterons, so I'm trying to get in touch with them to gauge their stockWell, since these vendors already have to order the 20k switches, they should have enough to be able to accommodate our needs alreadyAlright, numbers are looking good so far. With the MOQ I'm now getting from Gateron, unless we can come up with another 15k orders per switch :p , the buy is going to have to come from a vendor. It shouldn't be too hard to find one with the numbers we have so far:
Clears: 6006
Blacks: 3836
Blues: 2864
Browns: 2561
Reds: 1386
Does it mean the vendor will have to order the 15k missing for each type of switch? Or are so limitations only for order that are not made by professionals?
So we only need to wait for one of these vendors to stock up and make a massive buy to them?
That's what it sounds like to me. And I'm sure with this volume any third party vendor would be willing to help us out.
Sounds great! Thanks for working to put this whole thing together hwood.
Post by: hwood34 on Sat, 07 February 2015, 14:03:25
np :thumb: The masses need to experience the joy of GateronsI am guessing the gaterongs are compatible with cherry top housing?Yep, every Gateron part is compatible with every Cherry part and vice-versaWell, right now there's only one or two vendors selling Gaterons, so I'm trying to get in touch with them to gauge their stockWell, since these vendors already have to order the 20k switches, they should have enough to be able to accommodate our needs alreadyAlright, numbers are looking good so far. With the MOQ I'm now getting from Gateron, unless we can come up with another 15k orders per switch :p , the buy is going to have to come from a vendor. It shouldn't be too hard to find one with the numbers we have so far:
Clears: 6006
Blacks: 3836
Blues: 2864
Browns: 2561
Reds: 1386
Does it mean the vendor will have to order the 15k missing for each type of switch? Or are so limitations only for order that are not made by professionals?
So we only need to wait for one of these vendors to stock up and make a massive buy to them?
That's what it sounds like to me. And I'm sure with this volume any third party vendor would be willing to help us out.
Sounds great! Thanks for working to put this whole thing together hwood.
Post by: jacobolus on Sat, 07 February 2015, 14:27:12
Post by: Findecanor on Sat, 07 February 2015, 15:43:45
I've seen white stabilizers before from an old board.Cherry-style?
I have some SMK stabilisers that are white - and those are interchangeable with Costar stabilisers - but the plastic has deteriorated so they are a bit brittle. I would also much rather have Cherry stabs so that I wouldn't have to disassemble the entire keyboard and fiddle with tweezers and screwdrivers when changing a keycap.
Post by: hwood34 on Sat, 07 February 2015, 16:05:26
If you’re willing to use MassDrop for the distribution, I’m pretty sure they’d be interested in running a “drop” of various Gaterons. Even though they typically aren’t the fastest turnaround, it would be a lot less organizing work than managing a group buy as a community project, and they can probably hit pretty good price points, as they have decent marketing/visibility.Running something through Massdrop would be pretty low down on things I want to do. The pricing they get isn't ever really stellar, and the times can often be pretty ridiculous, something I fear could happen to a buy like this.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 07 February 2015, 16:06:25
Here you can see white insertsI've seen white stabilizers before from an old board.Cherry-style?
I have some SMK stabilisers that are white - and those are interchangeable with Costar stabilisers - but the plastic has deteriorated so they are a bit brittle. I would also much rather have Cherry stabs so that I wouldn't have to disassemble the entire keyboard and fiddle with tweezers and screwdrivers when changing a keycap.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34909.msg1064406.msg#1064406
And I know another member had some/was going to have more white ones (both pieces white) made to sell but I'm not sure what happened with those.
Post by: PunksDead on Sat, 07 February 2015, 16:27:14
Post by: Ngt on Sat, 07 February 2015, 17:11:11
They still need a count on how many they will need if they go through with a group buy. I misread though so that's my bad.If you guys are still taking orders I'm down for 61 clears
AFAIK, it is only an interest check and not a GB.
I asked previously if we could take part in the group buy even though we didn't take part in the IC and the answer was positive IIRC.
Post by: greath on Sat, 07 February 2015, 17:24:53
Post by: hwood34 on Sat, 07 February 2015, 17:51:20
CorrectThey still need a count on how many they will need if they go through with a group buy. I misread though so that's my bad.If you guys are still taking orders I'm down for 61 clears
AFAIK, it is only an interest check and not a GB.
I asked previously if we could take part in the group buy even though we didn't take part in the IC and the answer was positive IIRC.
Has anyone done a review on a tactile version of the gaterons (like mx browns, not clicky like mx blues)?I actually haven't seen a review yet for a tactile variant. I had blues and blacks, Zeal had clears, and some guy on reddit had blues, clears, and yellows. Haven't seen someone that bought browns
Post by: greath on Sat, 07 February 2015, 17:58:06
One of clears and one of browns.
Post by: Ngt on Sat, 07 February 2015, 17:59:56
CorrectThey still need a count on how many they will need if they go through with a group buy. I misread though so that's my bad.If you guys are still taking orders I'm down for 61 clears
AFAIK, it is only an interest check and not a GB.
I asked previously if we could take part in the group buy even though we didn't take part in the IC and the answer was positive IIRC.Has anyone done a review on a tactile version of the gaterons (like mx browns, not clicky like mx blues)?I actually haven't seen a review yet for a tactile variant. I had blues and blacks, Zeal had clears, and some guy on reddit had blues, clears, and yellows. Haven't seen someone that bought browns
I ordered the varmilio switch tester from massdrop with the Gateron switch. I think it is supposed to include the brown. When I'll receive it I will be able to tell you more.
Post by: hwood34 on Sat, 07 February 2015, 18:28:13
Oh yeah, that. Hopefully we get some more reviews once people start getting themCorrectThey still need a count on how many they will need if they go through with a group buy. I misread though so that's my bad.If you guys are still taking orders I'm down for 61 clears
AFAIK, it is only an interest check and not a GB.
I asked previously if we could take part in the group buy even though we didn't take part in the IC and the answer was positive IIRC.Has anyone done a review on a tactile version of the gaterons (like mx browns, not clicky like mx blues)?I actually haven't seen a review yet for a tactile variant. I had blues and blacks, Zeal had clears, and some guy on reddit had blues, clears, and yellows. Haven't seen someone that bought browns
I ordered the varmilio switch tester from massdrop with the Gateron switch. I think it is supposed to include the brown. When I'll receive it I will be able to tell you more.
Post by: Hak Foo on Sat, 07 February 2015, 22:31:43
Post by: jonathanyu on Sat, 07 February 2015, 22:34:47
Not sure why I am not able to open the Google form right now..
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sat, 07 February 2015, 22:37:08
Post by: FrostyToast on Sat, 07 February 2015, 22:46:25
What is this even?
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sat, 07 February 2015, 22:47:51
So how about that girth? Yo. dwag. Swag. YOLO.
What is this even?
Bro I dont know If I can even support switches that dont have the necessary girth to maintain significant actuation force over time.
Post by: swornxin on Sat, 07 February 2015, 22:48:38
Post by: FrostyToast on Sat, 07 February 2015, 22:48:58
Stop supporting those Gatorade knockoff switches.So how about that girth? Yo. dwag. Swag. YOLO.
What is this even?
Bro I dont know If I can even support switches that dont have the necessary girth to maintain significant actuation force over time.
What are they called again? Cherry MX or something?
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sat, 07 February 2015, 22:50:09
Stop supporting those Gatorade knockoff switches.So how about that girth? Yo. dwag. Swag. YOLO.
What is this even?
Bro I dont know If I can even support switches that dont have the necessary girth to maintain significant actuation force over time.
What are they called again? Cherry MX or something?
No bro Cherry MY is the real competition.
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 07 February 2015, 23:08:02
Post by: monotagary on Sat, 07 February 2015, 23:27:54
Stop supporting those Gatorade knockoff switches.So how about that girth? Yo. dwag. Swag. YOLO.
What is this even?
Bro I dont know If I can even support switches that dont have the necessary girth to maintain significant actuation force over time.
What are they called again? Cherry MX or something?
No bro Cherry MY is the real competition.
Who even wants switches named after a stupid fruit when you could have glorious GatorGolf switches instead?
Post by: Moralless on Sat, 07 February 2015, 23:33:01
Post by: hwood34 on Sun, 08 February 2015, 00:28:22
Put me down for 100 blacks, clears and browns :-* Really want to try these out.You can put yourself down :p :thumb:
Post by: Moralless on Sun, 08 February 2015, 00:37:38
Put me down for 100 blacks, clears and browns :-* Really want to try these out.You can put yourself down :p :thumb:
I did, just couldn't see where I was suppose to put my name :-[
Post by: hwood34 on Sun, 08 February 2015, 00:47:18
Oh sorry, no where for now, at this point it's just a numbers gamePut me down for 100 blacks, clears and browns :-* Really want to try these out.You can put yourself down
I did, just couldn't see where I was suppose to put my name :-[
Post by: Moralless on Sun, 08 February 2015, 00:54:32
Oh sorry, no where for now, at this point it's just a numbers gamePut me down for 100 blacks, clears and browns :-* Really want to try these out.You can put yourself down
I did, just couldn't see where I was suppose to put my name :-[
Fair enough, shouldn't be too much of a problem reaching MOQ with the price it's at if the reviews by you and Zeal are true :thumb:
Post by: Evo_Spec on Sun, 08 February 2015, 19:16:31
Fair enough, shouldn't be too much of a problem reaching MOQ with the price it's at if the reviews by you and Zeal are true :thumb:
Maybe their reviews are lies! they've been bought out by Gateron, sell outs i tell you!
Post by: Cottonsox on Sun, 08 February 2015, 19:22:58
Post by: monotagary on Sun, 08 February 2015, 21:41:35
When this Gatorade gb goes ahead, would it be possible to add some lube as an addon to the group buy? Even if it is at cost, the saving on shipping alone could be beneficial to alot of people
I would love to lube up my Gatorade.
Post by: greath on Sun, 08 February 2015, 22:55:06
When this Gatorade gb goes ahead, would it be possible to add some lube as an addon to the group buy? Even if it is at cost, the saving on shipping alone could be beneficial to alot of people
I would love to lube up my Gatorade.
(http://i.imgur.com/ea8O4Zp.jpg)
Post by: hwood34 on Mon, 09 February 2015, 18:48:19
When this Gatorade gb goes ahead, would it be possible to add some lube as an addon to the group buy? Even if it is at cost, the saving on shipping alone could be beneficial to alot of peopledefinite maybe. If we could source tons of lube, which could present a problem
Post by: Cottonsox on Mon, 09 February 2015, 18:58:31
When this Gatorade gb goes ahead, would it be possible to add some lube as an addon to the group buy? Even if it is at cost, the saving on shipping alone could be beneficial to alot of peopledefinite maybe. If we could source tons of lube, which could present a problem
Happy enough to source my own, Seems something that alot of people getting in on this gb would be looking at also.
Post by: greath on Mon, 09 February 2015, 23:00:16
Post by: Fnzzy on Tue, 10 February 2015, 14:20:03
I doubt springs will happen though. Sprit's GB just ended recently.
Post by: strict on Tue, 10 February 2015, 14:38:05
This slowly turns into a Switch + basic switch modding bundle GB if we keep trying to add stuff :D
I doubt springs will happen though. Sprit's GB just ended recently.
My vote is to keep this simple and offer only switches. If you want lube/springs/tops/whatever there are enough places around that sell that stuff. From the sounds of it, lube really isnt even worthwhile on gatorades.
Post by: ideus on Tue, 10 February 2015, 14:39:06
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 10 February 2015, 17:28:18
While I agree that we should keep this simple, lubed Gateron linears is finger sexThis slowly turns into a Switch + basic switch modding bundle GB if we keep trying to add stuff :D
I doubt springs will happen though. Sprit's GB just ended recently.
My vote is to keep this simple and offer only switches. If you want lube/springs/tops/whatever there are enough places around that sell that stuff. From the sounds of it, lube really isnt even worthwhile on gatorades.
Post by: Lastpilot on Tue, 10 February 2015, 17:30:01
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 10 February 2015, 18:19:21
While I agree that we should keep this simple, lubed Gateron linears is finger sexThis slowly turns into a Switch + basic switch modding bundle GB if we keep trying to add stuff :D
I doubt springs will happen though. Sprit's GB just ended recently.
My vote is to keep this simple and offer only switches. If you want lube/springs/tops/whatever there are enough places around that sell that stuff. From the sounds of it, lube really isnt even worthwhile on gatorades.
Can confirm. Lubed linear Gaterons are sex for your fingertips.
Post by: Fnzzy on Tue, 10 February 2015, 18:24:38
While I agree that we should keep this simple, lubed Gateron linears is finger sexThis slowly turns into a Switch + basic switch modding bundle GB if we keep trying to add stuff :D
I doubt springs will happen though. Sprit's GB just ended recently.
My vote is to keep this simple and offer only switches. If you want lube/springs/tops/whatever there are enough places around that sell that stuff. From the sounds of it, lube really isnt even worthwhile on gatorades.
Can confirm. Lubed linear Gaterons are sex for your fingertips.
brb getting thin formular off techkeys.
Post by: monotagary on Tue, 10 February 2015, 19:43:18
While I agree that we should keep this simple, lubed Gateron linears is finger sexThis slowly turns into a Switch + basic switch modding bundle GB if we keep trying to add stuff :D
I doubt springs will happen though. Sprit's GB just ended recently.
My vote is to keep this simple and offer only switches. If you want lube/springs/tops/whatever there are enough places around that sell that stuff. From the sounds of it, lube really isnt even worthwhile on gatorades.
While I agree that we should keep this simple, lubed Gateron linears is finger sexThis slowly turns into a Switch + basic switch modding bundle GB if we keep trying to add stuff :D
I doubt springs will happen though. Sprit's GB just ended recently.
My vote is to keep this simple and offer only switches. If you want lube/springs/tops/whatever there are enough places around that sell that stuff. From the sounds of it, lube really isnt even worthwhile on gatorades.
I need finger sex pls. Gatorade keeps enticing me.
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 10 February 2015, 19:48:28
Post by: swill on Tue, 10 February 2015, 20:47:43
I agree with this. Based on the numbers it is looking like this will fetch, he is going to have a hard enough time just getting everything sorted and shipped. Don't complicate his life with things we can easily get elsewhere (unless of course he can get a great deal and is up for the huge amount of additional work).This slowly turns into a Switch + basic switch modding bundle GB if we keep trying to add stuff :D
I doubt springs will happen though. Sprit's GB just ended recently.
My vote is to keep this simple and offer only switches. If you want lube/springs/tops/whatever there are enough places around that sell that stuff. From the sounds of it, lube really isnt even worthwhile on gatorades.
Post by: swill on Tue, 10 February 2015, 20:49:27
Soon. ;)I have not been following this as closely as I should. Is there an estimated timeline for this of any kind?
Post by: ideus on Tue, 10 February 2015, 21:07:12
Soon. ;)I have not been following this as closely as I should. Is there an estimated timeline for this of any kind?
I do not think so. When it turns into a GB it should have some dead lines.
Post by: swill on Tue, 10 February 2015, 21:10:28
Cool thanks. I have not been nearly as active recently due to craziness in RL, so I am trying to get a quick feel for were all the things I am interested in are. :)Soon. ;)I have not been following this as closely as I should. Is there an estimated timeline for this of any kind?
I do not think so. When it turns into a GB it should have some dead lines.
Post by: phishy on Tue, 10 February 2015, 22:16:03
Post by: Ngt on Wed, 11 February 2015, 10:39:07
(http://i.imgur.com/fjpqZWt.jpg)
Does anyone have questions about difference between the MX and their Gateron counterpart? It has Gateron switches (Red, Black, Brown, Blue, Clear [35 g]) and Cherry MX Red, Brown, Blue, Black. It comes with thick PBT caps.
However this is a mistake as it was supposed to have these Cherry MX: Linear Grey, Tactile Grey, Milk , Green.
Post by: hwood34 on Wed, 11 February 2015, 11:03:55
The only thing that's stopping this thing from starting is sourcing the switches. The vendor route isn't looking promising, so we're again pursuing the Gateron route.Soon. ;)I have not been following this as closely as I should. Is there an estimated timeline for this of any kind?
I do not think so. When it turns into a GB it should have some dead lines.
Post by: swill on Wed, 11 February 2015, 11:48:23
The only thing that's stopping this thing from starting is sourcing the switches. The vendor route isn't looking promising, so we're again pursuing the Gateron route.Soon. ;)I have not been following this as closely as I should. Is there an estimated timeline for this of any kind?
I do not think so. When it turns into a GB it should have some dead lines.
Cool. Thanks for the update. :)
Post by: monotagary on Wed, 11 February 2015, 12:21:36
The only thing that's stopping this thing from starting is sourcing the switches. The vendor route isn't looking promising, so we're again pursuing the Gateron route.Soon. ;)I have not been following this as closely as I should. Is there an estimated timeline for this of any kind?
I do not think so. When it turns into a GB it should have some dead lines.
In hwood we trust. Lead us unto the promised Gatorade lands. :))
Post by: greath on Wed, 11 February 2015, 12:46:28
I just received my Varmilo switch tester.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fjpqZWt.jpg)
Does anyone have questions about difference between the MX and their Gateron counterpart? It has Gateron switches (Red, Black, Brown, Blue, Clear [35 g]) and Cherry MX Red, Brown, Blue, Black. It comes with thick PBT caps.
However this is a mistake as it was supposed to have these Cherry MX: Linear Grey, Tactile Grey, Milk , Green.
I'd love to hear your opinion on how the browns feel. Tacticle bump and smoothness vs MX Browns/MX Clears.
Post by: Ngt on Wed, 11 February 2015, 16:12:41
I just received my Varmilo switch tester.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fjpqZWt.jpg)
Does anyone have questions about difference between the MX and their Gateron counterpart? It has Gateron switches (Red, Black, Brown, Blue, Clear [35 g]) and Cherry MX Red, Brown, Blue, Black. It comes with thick PBT caps.
However this is a mistake as it was supposed to have these Cherry MX: Linear Grey, Tactile Grey, Milk , Green.
I'd love to hear your opinion on how the browns feel. Tacticle bump and smoothness vs MX Browns/MX Clears.
Alright. I won't do it tonight but I'll see what I can do tomorrow. Azhdar will come to my place tomorrow. I'll ask his point of view as well so you get more feedbacks. ;)
Post by: Vintage on Wed, 11 February 2015, 16:25:03
Post by: hwood34 on Wed, 11 February 2015, 22:15:30
Post by: Willyc277 on Wed, 11 February 2015, 22:40:34
Prepare for a big update coming the 21st
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Post by: monotagary on Wed, 11 February 2015, 22:54:58
Prepare for a big update coming the 21st
Gatorade God. :o
Post by: ImBZppl on Fri, 13 February 2015, 01:26:58
Prepare for a big update coming the 21st
sweet. I will probably get a little more than that I stated I was interested in. I hope that is okay.
Post by: ccc24 on Fri, 13 February 2015, 01:41:40
I know there's an update coming but maybe this could be backup.
Post by: rand77 on Fri, 13 February 2015, 02:22:27
Prepare for a big update coming the 21st
Looking forward to it!
Post by: greath on Fri, 13 February 2015, 07:53:43
Alright. I won't do it tonight but I'll see what I can do tomorrow. Azhdar will come to my place tomorrow. I'll ask his point of view as well so you get more feedbacks. ;)
Prepare for a big update coming the 21st
(http://i.imgur.com/ny1LF5I.gif)
Post by: hwood34 on Fri, 13 February 2015, 07:55:21
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 13 February 2015, 07:56:23
Post by: billnye on Fri, 13 February 2015, 07:57:55
So regarding the 21st update, the original big announcement has been changed to "variable." But as compensation, whether the big one comes sooner or later, there will still be a nice little surprise on the 21st/22nd(http://puu.sh/fRveP/19c2ee025a.png)
Post by: hwood34 on Fri, 13 February 2015, 07:58:27
Less hype, more Gatorade.I'm trying mang ;)
Post by: Ngt on Fri, 13 February 2015, 10:33:09
I am very interested to hear your impressions of the Gaterons as well. Kinda wishing I jumped on that massdrop buy now that this buy may happen.
I just received my Varmilo switch tester.
(http://i.imgur.com/fjpqZWt.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/fjpqZWt.jpg)
Does anyone have questions about difference between the MX and their Gateron counterpart? It has Gateron switches (Red, Black, Brown, Blue, Clear [35 g]) and Cherry MX Red, Brown, Blue, Black. It comes with thick PBT caps.
However this is a mistake as it was supposed to have these Cherry MX: Linear Grey, Tactile Grey, Milk , Green.
I'd love to hear your opinion on how the browns feel. Tacticle bump and smoothness vs MX Browns/MX Clears.
Alright so Azhdar and I tried those little gaterons a bit side by side with their counterparts. We didn't have any MX clear so we cannot compare to them directly unfortunately. I don't have any nickel so I can't do the strength test sorry.
Regarding the gateron linears switches:
- MX Black vs Gateron Black: The gateron black felt definitely smoother than the MX black. On the MX black I have on the tester you can feel the plastic friction which makes them not as smooth as we would like to. I have a worn out black
(or vintage)that Azhdar gave me so I put on the switch tester to compare them side by side. I'd say they are quite equivalent. I'm not sure that I have try real vintage black so I can't talk about it. I think if you lube the gateron it can indeed be really nice. I don't have any lube on hand atm, it should arrive next week. I can't tell you right now how it feels. In terms of strength the gateron felt lighter than the MX Black Azhdar gave me but compared to the stock MX Black it is hard to know. - MX Red vs Gateron Red: The gateron is smoother than the stock MX. But I can still feel some friction but they are quieter. I feel that the Gateron is a bit lighter than the MX counterpart.
- The Clear Gateron: Damn 30g is definitely way too light for me. I want to press it but you already are bottoming out. I guess some people might like it. It is smoother than a MX red but I can still feel some friction.
Regarding the tactile switches:
- MX Brown vs Gateron Brown: as the other comparison I made about gateron vs MX, it seems that the gateron has a bit more smoothness in them. This the time where I wish I had some clears on hand so I could compare with the Brown. I don't remember them. I tried clears a long time ago and my taste in keyboard wasn't so developed (it was new to me). I think I might like them again but I'm not sure. I feel that their tactility is about the same between this two browns and it is inferior to my Topre board. If I had to take an equivalent in MX for Topre, it wouldn't be Browns for sure.
- MX Blue vs Gateron Blue: on this one I'd say Gateron blue > MX Blue. The tactile point seems snappier, deeper or more pronounced. The noise is different. I don't have any proper recording settings so I don't think it could be valuable for you guys but if someone is still interested I could try to register something.
Post by: greath on Fri, 13 February 2015, 10:41:03
I am very interested to hear your impressions of the Gaterons as well. Kinda wishing I jumped on that massdrop buy now that this buy may happen.I just received my Varmilo switch tester.
(http://i.imgur.com/fjpqZWt.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/fjpqZWt.jpg)
Does anyone have questions about difference between the MX and their Gateron counterpart? It has Gateron switches (Red, Black, Brown, Blue, Clear [35 g]) and Cherry MX Red, Brown, Blue, Black. It comes with thick PBT caps.
However this is a mistake as it was supposed to have these Cherry MX: Linear Grey, Tactile Grey, Milk , Green.
I'd love to hear your opinion on how the browns feel. Tacticle bump and smoothness vs MX Browns/MX Clears.
Alright so Azhdar and I tried those little gaterons a bit side by side with their counterparts. We didn't have any MX clear so we cannot compare to them directly unfortunately. I don't have any nickel so I can't do the strength test sorry.
Regarding the gateron linears switches:As a conclusion to the linear gateron I'd say that I'm thinking of registering in the IC for 100 blacks. However no matter if it is MX or Gateron, I think they need some lube.
- MX Black vs Gateron Black: The gateron black felt definitely smoother than the MX black. On the MX black I have on the tester you can feel the plastic friction which makes them not as smooth as we would like to. I have a worn out black (or vintage) that Azhdar gave me so I put on the switch tester to compare them side by side. I'd say they are quite equivalent. I'm not sure that I have try real vintage black so I can't talk about it. I think if you lube the gateron it can indeed be really nice. I don't have any lube on hand atm, it should arrive next week. I can't tell you right now how it feels. In terms of strength the gateron felt lighter than the MX Black Azhdar gave me but compared to the stock MX Black it is hard to know.
- MX Red vs Gateron Red: The gateron is smoother than the stock MX. But I can still feel some friction but they are quieter. I feel that the Gateron is a bit lighter than the MX counterpart.
- The Clear Gateron: Damn 30g is definitely way too light for me. I want to press it but you already are bottoming out. I guess some people might like it. It is smoother than a MX red but I can still feel some friction.
Regarding the tactile switches:Well I think that's all I have to say. Please keep in mind that it is only my point of view. I might have described it wrong, or not good enough. I don't know if my insights will help you guys but at least I tried. It was my first time doing such a thing as well, so bear with me but it was fun nonetheless.
- MX Brown vs Gateron Brown: as the other comparison I made about gateron vs MX, it seems that the gateron has a bit more smoothness in them. This the time where I wish I had some clears on hand so I could compare with the Brown. I don't remember them. I tried clears a long time ago and my taste in keyboard wasn't so developed (it was new to me). I think I might like them again but I'm not sure. I feel that their tactility is about the same between this two browns and it is inferior to my Topre board. If I had to take an equivalent in MX for Topre, it wouldn't be Browns for sure.
- MX Blue vs Gateron Blue: on this one I'd say Gateron blue > MX Blue. The tactile point seems snappier, deeper or more pronounced. The noise is different. I don't have any proper recording settings so I don't think it could be valuable for you guys but if someone is still interested I could try to register something.
Thanks for the write up! :)
I've had MX Browns feel a bit sandy to me. Do the gateron browns feel smoother than mx browns to you or about the same?
Post by: whentheclouds on Fri, 13 February 2015, 10:43:19
Post by: Ngt on Fri, 13 February 2015, 10:48:41
I am very interested to hear your impressions of the Gaterons as well. Kinda wishing I jumped on that massdrop buy now that this buy may happen.I just received my Varmilo switch tester.
(http://i.imgur.com/fjpqZWt.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/fjpqZWt.jpg)
Does anyone have questions about difference between the MX and their Gateron counterpart? It has Gateron switches (Red, Black, Brown, Blue, Clear [35 g]) and Cherry MX Red, Brown, Blue, Black. It comes with thick PBT caps.
However this is a mistake as it was supposed to have these Cherry MX: Linear Grey, Tactile Grey, Milk , Green.
I'd love to hear your opinion on how the browns feel. Tacticle bump and smoothness vs MX Browns/MX Clears.
Alright so Azhdar and I tried those little gaterons a bit side by side with their counterparts. We didn't have any MX clear so we cannot compare to them directly unfortunately. I don't have any nickel so I can't do the strength test sorry.
Regarding the gateron linears switches:As a conclusion to the linear gateron I'd say that I'm thinking of registering in the IC for 100 blacks. However no matter if it is MX or Gateron, I think they need some lube.
- MX Black vs Gateron Black: The gateron black felt definitely smoother than the MX black. On the MX black I have on the tester you can feel the plastic friction which makes them not as smooth as we would like to. I have a worn out black (or vintage) that Azhdar gave me so I put on the switch tester to compare them side by side. I'd say they are quite equivalent. I'm not sure that I have try real vintage black so I can't talk about it. I think if you lube the gateron it can indeed be really nice. I don't have any lube on hand atm, it should arrive next week. I can't tell you right now how it feels. In terms of strength the gateron felt lighter than the MX Black Azhdar gave me but compared to the stock MX Black it is hard to know.
- MX Red vs Gateron Red: The gateron is smoother than the stock MX. But I can still feel some friction but they are quieter. I feel that the Gateron is a bit lighter than the MX counterpart.
- The Clear Gateron: Damn 30g is definitely way too light for me. I want to press it but you already are bottoming out. I guess some people might like it. It is smoother than a MX red but I can still feel some friction.
Regarding the tactile switches:Well I think that's all I have to say. Please keep in mind that it is only my point of view. I might have described it wrong, or not good enough. I don't know if my insights will help you guys but at least I tried. It was my first time doing such a thing as well, so bear with me but it was fun nonetheless.
- MX Brown vs Gateron Brown: as the other comparison I made about gateron vs MX, it seems that the gateron has a bit more smoothness in them. This the time where I wish I had some clears on hand so I could compare with the Brown. I don't remember them. I tried clears a long time ago and my taste in keyboard wasn't so developed (it was new to me). I think I might like them again but I'm not sure. I feel that their tactility is about the same between this two browns and it is inferior to my Topre board. If I had to take an equivalent in MX for Topre, it wouldn't be Browns for sure.
- MX Blue vs Gateron Blue: on this one I'd say Gateron blue > MX Blue. The tactile point seems snappier, deeper or more pronounced. The noise is different. I don't have any proper recording settings so I don't think it could be valuable for you guys but if someone is still interested I could try to register something.
Thanks for the write up! :)
I've had MX Browns feel a bit sandy to me. Do the gateron browns feel smoother than mx browns to you or about the same?
I'd say they feel smoother, just a bit but they have the same weird tactility.
Post by: Ngt on Fri, 13 February 2015, 10:50:28
Post by: hwood34 on Fri, 13 February 2015, 11:15:43
Thanks for the write up :thumb:I am very interested to hear your impressions of the Gaterons as well. Kinda wishing I jumped on that massdrop buy now that this buy may happen.I just received my Varmilo switch tester.
(http://i.imgur.com/fjpqZWt.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/fjpqZWt.jpg)
Does anyone have questions about difference between the MX and their Gateron counterpart? It has Gateron switches (Red, Black, Brown, Blue, Clear [35 g]) and Cherry MX Red, Brown, Blue, Black. It comes with thick PBT caps.
However this is a mistake as it was supposed to have these Cherry MX: Linear Grey, Tactile Grey, Milk , Green.
I'd love to hear your opinion on how the browns feel. Tacticle bump and smoothness vs MX Browns/MX Clears.
Alright so Azhdar and I tried those little gaterons a bit side by side with their counterparts. We didn't have any MX clear so we cannot compare to them directly unfortunately. I don't have any nickel so I can't do the strength test sorry.
Regarding the gateron linears switches:As a conclusion to the linear gateron I'd say that I'm thinking of registering in the IC for 100 blacks. However no matter if it is MX or Gateron, I think they need some lube.
- MX Black vs Gateron Black: The gateron black felt definitely smoother than the MX black. On the MX black I have on the tester you can feel the plastic friction which makes them not as smooth as we would like to. I have a worn out black (or vintage) that Azhdar gave me so I put on the switch tester to compare them side by side. I'd say they are quite equivalent. I'm not sure that I have try real vintage black so I can't talk about it. I think if you lube the gateron it can indeed be really nice. I don't have any lube on hand atm, it should arrive next week. I can't tell you right now how it feels. In terms of strength the gateron felt lighter than the MX Black Azhdar gave me but compared to the stock MX Black it is hard to know.
- MX Red vs Gateron Red: The gateron is smoother than the stock MX. But I can still feel some friction but they are quieter. I feel that the Gateron is a bit lighter than the MX counterpart.
- The Clear Gateron: Damn 30g is definitely way too light for me. I want to press it but you already are bottoming out. I guess some people might like it. It is smoother than a MX red but I can still feel some friction.
Regarding the tactile switches:Well I think that's all I have to say. Please keep in mind that it is only my point of view. I might have described it wrong, or not good enough. I don't know if my insights will help you guys but at least I tried. It was my first time doing such a thing as well, so bear with me but it was fun nonetheless.
- MX Brown vs Gateron Brown: as the other comparison I made about gateron vs MX, it seems that the gateron has a bit more smoothness in them. This the time where I wish I had some clears on hand so I could compare with the Brown. I don't remember them. I tried clears a long time ago and my taste in keyboard wasn't so developed (it was new to me). I think I might like them again but I'm not sure. I feel that their tactility is about the same between this two browns and it is inferior to my Topre board. If I had to take an equivalent in MX for Topre, it wouldn't be Browns for sure.
- MX Blue vs Gateron Blue: on this one I'd say Gateron blue > MX Blue. The tactile point seems snappier, deeper or more pronounced. The noise is different. I don't have any proper recording settings so I don't think it could be valuable for you guys but if someone is still interested I could try to register something.
I'll have to link that one with the others in the OP
Post by: Fnzzy on Fri, 13 February 2015, 12:12:32
Post by: azhdar on Fri, 13 February 2015, 13:06:33
Blacks: feel fantastic stock, slightly lighter than mx black and way smoother, with spring+lube should feel amazing.
Browns : Hardly better than mx poop, I'd say tactility is about the same but I didn't feel the "sandy/scratchy" feeling you get around activation point on mx brown so not sure is better.
Clears: Way too light, they felt even smotther than black but I couldn't tell if it was due to their spring weight or if they are different.
Reds&Blues: I had very few interest in those and they felt almost similar to Cherries.
I really hope that we can take Zeal Seal of approval about the quality of those seriously, because those Gateron linears are really dope.
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 13 February 2015, 13:35:40
My impressions on Gaterons:
Blacks: feel fantastic stock, slightly lighter than mx black and way smoother, with spring+lube should feel amazing.
Browns : Hardly better than mx poop, I'd say tactility is about the same but I didn't feel the "sandy/scratchy" feeling you get around activation point on mx brown so not sure is better.
Clears: Way too light, they felt even smotther than black but I couldn't tell if it was due to their spring weight or if they are different.
Reds&Blues: I had very few interest in those and they felt almost similar to Cherries.
I really hope that we can take Zeal Seal of approval about the quality of those seriously, because those Gateron linears are really dope.
My board is still typing perfectly fine so far. :))
I should have a small batch of Gateron clears available next week for those that want to jump on the train early...
Post by: elton5354 on Fri, 13 February 2015, 13:50:19
My impressions on Gaterons:
Blacks: feel fantastic stock, slightly lighter than mx black and way smoother, with spring+lube should feel amazing.
Browns : Hardly better than mx poop, I'd say tactility is about the same but I didn't feel the "sandy/scratchy" feeling you get around activation point on mx brown so not sure is better.
Clears: Way too light, they felt even smotther than black but I couldn't tell if it was due to their spring weight or if they are different.
Reds&Blues: I had very few interest in those and they felt almost similar to Cherries.
I really hope that we can take Zeal Seal of approval about the quality of those seriously, because those Gateron linears are really dope.
My board is still typing perfectly fine so far. :))
I should have a small batch of Gateron clears available next week for those that want to jump on the train early...
Get some Blues ! :D
Post by: strict on Fri, 13 February 2015, 14:07:55
My impressions on Gaterons:
Blacks: feel fantastic stock, slightly lighter than mx black and way smoother, with spring+lube should feel amazing.
Browns : Hardly better than mx poop, I'd say tactility is about the same but I didn't feel the "sandy/scratchy" feeling you get around activation point on mx brown so not sure is better.
Clears: Way too light, they felt even smotther than black but I couldn't tell if it was due to their spring weight or if they are different.
Reds&Blues: I had very few interest in those and they felt almost similar to Cherries.
I really hope that we can take Zeal Seal of approval about the quality of those seriously, because those Gateron linears are really dope.
My board is still typing perfectly fine so far. :))
I should have a small batch of Gateron clears available next week for those that want to jump on the train early...
Dibs on 90-100 of them please :)
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 13 February 2015, 14:13:27
My impressions on Gaterons:
Blacks: feel fantastic stock, slightly lighter than mx black and way smoother, with spring+lube should feel amazing.
Browns : Hardly better than mx poop, I'd say tactility is about the same but I didn't feel the "sandy/scratchy" feeling you get around activation point on mx brown so not sure is better.
Clears: Way too light, they felt even smotther than black but I couldn't tell if it was due to their spring weight or if they are different.
Reds&Blues: I had very few interest in those and they felt almost similar to Cherries.
I really hope that we can take Zeal Seal of approval about the quality of those seriously, because those Gateron linears are really dope.
My board is still typing perfectly fine so far. :))
I should have a small batch of Gateron clears available next week for those that want to jump on the train early...
Get some Blues ! :D
I read in the Octagon thread you're short on some MX Blues. I've got about 30 super clicky PCB mount blues left. (not the dampened type like some batches).
@Strict
Stay tuned. I'll prob announce when they'll be "out for delivery" in my vendor forum. Then it's first come first serve once I post the link to buy :P
Post by: Ngt on Fri, 13 February 2015, 14:48:06
Thanks for the write up :thumb:I am very interested to hear your impressions of the Gaterons as well. Kinda wishing I jumped on that massdrop buy now that this buy may happen.I just received my Varmilo switch tester.
(http://i.imgur.com/fjpqZWt.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/fjpqZWt.jpg)
Does anyone have questions about difference between the MX and their Gateron counterpart? It has Gateron switches (Red, Black, Brown, Blue, Clear [35 g]) and Cherry MX Red, Brown, Blue, Black. It comes with thick PBT caps.
However this is a mistake as it was supposed to have these Cherry MX: Linear Grey, Tactile Grey, Milk , Green.
I'd love to hear your opinion on how the browns feel. Tacticle bump and smoothness vs MX Browns/MX Clears.
Alright so Azhdar and I tried those little gaterons a bit side by side with their counterparts. We didn't have any MX clear so we cannot compare to them directly unfortunately. I don't have any nickel so I can't do the strength test sorry.
Regarding the gateron linears switches:As a conclusion to the linear gateron I'd say that I'm thinking of registering in the IC for 100 blacks. However no matter if it is MX or Gateron, I think they need some lube.
- MX Black vs Gateron Black: The gateron black felt definitely smoother than the MX black. On the MX black I have on the tester you can feel the plastic friction which makes them not as smooth as we would like to. I have a worn out black (or vintage) that Azhdar gave me so I put on the switch tester to compare them side by side. I'd say they are quite equivalent. I'm not sure that I have try real vintage black so I can't talk about it. I think if you lube the gateron it can indeed be really nice. I don't have any lube on hand atm, it should arrive next week. I can't tell you right now how it feels. In terms of strength the gateron felt lighter than the MX Black Azhdar gave me but compared to the stock MX Black it is hard to know.
- MX Red vs Gateron Red: The gateron is smoother than the stock MX. But I can still feel some friction but they are quieter. I feel that the Gateron is a bit lighter than the MX counterpart.
- The Clear Gateron: Damn 30g is definitely way too light for me. I want to press it but you already are bottoming out. I guess some people might like it. It is smoother than a MX red but I can still feel some friction.
Regarding the tactile switches:Well I think that's all I have to say. Please keep in mind that it is only my point of view. I might have described it wrong, or not good enough. I don't know if my insights will help you guys but at least I tried. It was my first time doing such a thing as well, so bear with me but it was fun nonetheless.
- MX Brown vs Gateron Brown: as the other comparison I made about gateron vs MX, it seems that the gateron has a bit more smoothness in them. This the time where I wish I had some clears on hand so I could compare with the Brown. I don't remember them. I tried clears a long time ago and my taste in keyboard wasn't so developed (it was new to me). I think I might like them again but I'm not sure. I feel that their tactility is about the same between this two browns and it is inferior to my Topre board. If I had to take an equivalent in MX for Topre, it wouldn't be Browns for sure.
- MX Blue vs Gateron Blue: on this one I'd say Gateron blue > MX Blue. The tactile point seems snappier, deeper or more pronounced. The noise is different. I don't have any proper recording settings so I don't think it could be valuable for you guys but if someone is still interested I could try to register something.
I'll have to link that one with the others in the OP
No problem. Since I dreamed of you and other geekhacks the other night, I had to do it (it was SFW I assure you haha). And I promised to some people in this thread too.
Post by: monotagary on Fri, 13 February 2015, 16:36:41
My impressions on Gaterons:
Blacks: feel fantastic stock, slightly lighter than mx black and way smoother, with spring+lube should feel amazing.
Browns : Hardly better than mx poop, I'd say tactility is about the same but I didn't feel the "sandy/scratchy" feeling you get around activation point on mx brown so not sure is better.
Clears: Way too light, they felt even smotther than black but I couldn't tell if it was due to their spring weight or if they are different.
Reds&Blues: I had very few interest in those and they felt almost similar to Cherries.
I really hope that we can take Zeal Seal of approval about the quality of those seriously, because those Gateron linears are really dope.
My board is still typing perfectly fine so far. :))
I should have a small batch of Gateron clears available next week for those that want to jump on the train early...
Get some Blues ! :D
I read in the Octagon thread you're short on some MX Blues. I've got about 30 super clicky PCB mount blues left. (not the dampened type like some batches).
@Strict
Stay tuned. I'll prob announce when they'll be "out for delivery" in my vendor forum. Then it's first come first serve once I post the link to buy :p
Ahhhh I might have to watch for those clears... I want to get my Simply 60 build done ASAP!!!!
Post by: Vintage on Fri, 13 February 2015, 21:13:27
Post by: hwood34 on Fri, 13 February 2015, 21:31:46
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 13 February 2015, 21:43:09
In case you haven't seen it already :
OPTIMAL GIRTH. MAXIMUM GIRTH!
Post by: tbc on Fri, 13 February 2015, 21:51:59
gclears >>> greds > mx reds
i used to think mx reds were smooth but not as smooth as topre.
gclears easily match topre smoothness (aside from the actual mechanical actuation) and for the first time, i feel the mx red grittiness people complain about
Post by: Moralless on Fri, 13 February 2015, 21:59:33
In case you haven't seen it already :
HAHAHAHA Yes! Love based Tyrone.
Post by: billnye on Sat, 14 February 2015, 08:22:49
Post by: Ngt on Sat, 14 February 2015, 09:22:35
Post by: snipars on Sat, 14 February 2015, 09:36:33
Post by: greath on Sat, 14 February 2015, 09:48:17
I wondered if the gateron clear stem is smoother than the gateron black stem. I harvested the spring of the MX black and transplant it into the gateron clears to see if it feels smooth only due to the light spring or if the stem was smoother as well. The gateron black is smoother than the 60g gateron clear I just made. However I wonder if by opening the switch and manipulating the stem, I didn't remove the stock lube they put on it (if there is some). If it is the case, then my experiment is worth nothing.
Maybe clean them both, then add the same amount of the same type of lube (if any)?
Post by: Ngt on Sat, 14 February 2015, 09:57:03
I wondered if the gateron clear stem is smoother than the gateron black stem. I harvested the spring of the MX black and transplant it into the gateron clears to see if it feels smooth only due to the light spring or if the stem was smoother as well. The gateron black is smoother than the 60g gateron clear I just made. However I wonder if by opening the switch and manipulating the stem, I didn't remove the stock lube they put on it (if there is some). If it is the case, then my experiment is worth nothing.
Maybe clean them both, then add the same amount of the same type of lube (if any)?
Yeah that'd be the way to do it. However I haven't received my package from EK yet so I don't have any lub on hand. I'll have to wait for it. Do you need a special solvent to clean them or just soap and water is enough?
Post by: jacobolus on Sat, 14 February 2015, 10:21:27
Post by: Ngt on Sat, 14 February 2015, 10:48:11
I’m pretty sure the scratchy part of MX linear switches is the bottom housing, not the stem.
You're probably right.
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 14 February 2015, 11:04:29
Post by: foopod on Tue, 17 February 2015, 04:02:21
Post by: meow a cat on Wed, 18 February 2015, 08:01:44
Post by: monotagary on Wed, 18 February 2015, 08:32:37
Post by: hwood34 on Wed, 18 February 2015, 08:37:00
Post by: Ngt on Wed, 18 February 2015, 08:41:56
Post by: hwood34 on Wed, 18 February 2015, 08:44:23
Shall we redirect to massdrop or are you still going to do a GB?Still doing the buy, the post is just waiting on mod approval. These will, as you can see, be cheaper than Massdrop's, and at this point it's hard to trust their expected ship dates
Post by: Fire Brand on Wed, 18 February 2015, 08:45:34
Shall we redirect to massdrop or are you still going to do a GB?
Comment invalid just after I posted it :p
Post by: monotagary on Wed, 18 February 2015, 08:48:14
Yep, just saw that. so GB starting now
Good job Hwood! at least a week ahead of schedule. :))
Post by: Moralless on Wed, 18 February 2015, 08:48:46
Shall we redirect to massdrop or are you still going to do a GB?I was just going to ask that also, should be hang o for a GB here or go to massdrop :x also massdrops shipping is never great :/
Comment invalid just after I posted it :p
I'd recommend to just participate in this GB. Given the horrible shipping history of MD, you'd probably end up getting the switches from this GB first
Post by: Ngt on Wed, 18 February 2015, 08:49:51
Yeah it is definitely cheaper here.Shall we redirect to massdrop or are you still going to do a GB?Still doing the buy, the post is just waiting on mod approval. These will, as you can see, be cheaper than Massdrop's, and at this point it's hard to trust their expected ship dates
Plus it would be a shame to let you down after all the hard work you dedicated to it.
Post by: Ngt on Wed, 18 February 2015, 08:50:33
Yeah my switch tester took 4 months to arrive. Well there was time for it to be made but still.Shall we redirect to massdrop or are you still going to do a GB?I was just going to ask that also, should be hang o for a GB here or go to massdrop :x also massdrops shipping is never great :/
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I'd recommend to just participate in this GB. Given the horrible shipping history of MD, you'd probably end up getting the switches from this GB first
Post by: Moralless on Wed, 18 February 2015, 08:50:34
Post by: Lpwl on Wed, 18 February 2015, 08:54:25
EDIT :
$34.99 (without shipping)
Blacks - 50g Linear
Blues - 55g Clicky
Clears - 35g Linear
Browns - 45g Tactile
Reds - 45g Linear
Estimated ship date is March 20, 2015.
Post by: strict on Wed, 18 February 2015, 08:59:07
Post by: Fire Brand on Wed, 18 February 2015, 08:59:56
Post by: honoka on Wed, 18 February 2015, 09:01:20
Massdrop was quicker than us (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/gateron-switches?mode=guest_open) !
EDIT :
130 pcs per bag
$34.99 (without shipping)
Blacks - 50g Linear
Blues - 55g Clicky
Clears - 35g Linear
Browns - 45g Tactile
Reds - 45g Linear
Estimated ship date is March 20, 2015.
Seems expensive, and with shipping to Sweden the price is almost the same as Cherry switches.
I wish I was in 'merica =(
Post by: Joey Quinn on Wed, 18 February 2015, 09:08:23
Post by: hwood34 on Wed, 18 February 2015, 09:28:18
Do gaterons lose smoothness if you swap the top half of the casing for cherry? I ask because my build will look a lot better with black switch tops. Also will this GB start dyspite MD?It's a mild difference yes. And yes, the buy is starting now, just waiting for the thread to be approved by mods
Post by: Sygaldry on Wed, 18 February 2015, 09:28:32
Well ****... I just bought 110 for about 65 USD.Massdrop was quicker than us (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/gateron-switches?mode=guest_open) !
EDIT :
130 pcs per bag
$34.99 (without shipping)
Blacks - 50g Linear
Blues - 55g Clicky
Clears - 35g Linear
Browns - 45g Tactile
Reds - 45g Linear
Estimated ship date is March 20, 2015.
Seems expensive, and with shipping to Sweden the price is almost the same as Cherry switches.
I wish I was in 'merica =(
Lesson learned in patience...
Anyhow... is the consensus out on whether the linear Gateronies need lube?
Post by: hwood34 on Wed, 18 February 2015, 09:34:36
And Sygaldry, the Gaterons are really smooth without lube, but lubing them really is an experience. And you know, you can always cancel a massdrop order ;)
Post by: Sygaldry on Wed, 18 February 2015, 09:41:14
GB here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68943.0Hmm well I guess ill be spending a few hours today or tomorrow (or the weekend... or whenever) lubing, stickering, and spring swapping (62g gold) the Gateronie Clears ill be getting from Zeal today. Then ill put the switches back in the bag to wait for a suitable keyboard to put them on.
And Sygaldry, the Gaterons are really smooth without lube, but lubing them really is an experience. And you know, you can always cancel a massdrop order ;)
Post by: Synjin on Wed, 18 February 2015, 11:53:53
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 18 February 2015, 11:57:35
Just curious if anyone has any idea how the contact on it will last since it looks like it is made of copper instead of gold plated like Cherry's? Patina might affect the feel overtime once the copper starts oxidizing.
Both Cherry & Gateron use gold crosspoint technology.