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Yes! very much please. Been waiting for an Apple-esque set in KAT profile.
BTW, anyone has insight as to what's the production time for KAT these days?
Good luck, although I'm out of any KAT until they normalize their qc standards.
Why not split alphas and mods like all the other KAT and KAM sets are doing? I like being able to purchase exactly what I want, no more no less.
Good luck, although I'm out of any KAT until they normalize their qc standards.
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the bleed on milkshake looks bad. there's also the lack of communications with macsurfy for KAT refined (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108835.0). he's heard nothing for months and set appears to be stalled. i'm not at all optimistic. doc, i'm a fan of your work. i'm just not convinced KAT is the optimal choice atm. if anyone has different information i would love to hear it.
I'm willing to give a company a chance if they are trying to change production to better their product; however, the lack of communication is what is concerning to me. Additionally, if they have been communication with you for this keyset but ghosting mac - that's even more concerning to me.
I love this set and I'm all in for test base, accents, and inverse - I just hope it actually gets to the point where we can confidently say they're going to be able to run this.
Good luck, although I'm out of any KAT until they normalize their qc standards....
the bleed on milkshake looks bad. there's also the lack of communications with macsurfy for KAT refined (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108835.0). he's heard nothing for months and set appears to be stalled. i'm not at all optimistic. doc, i'm a fan of your work. i'm just not convinced KAT is the optimal choice atm. if anyone has different information i would love to hear it.I'm willing to give a company a chance if they are trying to change production to better their product; however, the lack of communication is what is concerning to me. Additionally, if they have been communication with you for this keyset but ghosting mac - that's even more concerning to me.
I love this set and I'm all in for test base, accents, and inverse - I just hope it actually gets to the point where we can confidently say they're going to be able to run this.
All my communication has been through zFrontier, not Keyreative directly.
Regardless, for the quality/wait time/communication concerns we have some potential solutions. One of those (not confirmed yet btw) is to run this as an in-stock set rather than a traditional GB.
Why not split alphas and mods like all the other KAT and KAM sets are doing? I like being able to purchase exactly what I want, no more no less.
Based on previous GB numbers a pretty big majority of 40% buyers usually buy 60%+ support too, so these kits make it cheapest for these users.
Why not split alphas and mods like all the other KAT and KAM sets are doing? I like being able to purchase exactly what I want, no more no less.
Looking at the numbers for previous GBs it should actually be cheapest for the average buyer this way.
If we have separate alphas and mods, a 40% user would only need alphas + 40%. But the 40% kit would end up being quite a bit bigger to include necessary keys currently available in the base kit (bottom row keys, shifts, etc). This means that people who want to buy kits for 60%+ and 40% support would actually end up with a ton of duplicate keys. Based on previous GB numbers a pretty big majority of 40% buyers usually buy 60%+ support too, so these kits make it cheapest for these users.
Really wish this had an f-row with media legends to match current apple boards. Otherwise I love pretty much everything about it.That would be :thumb:
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Why not split alphas and mods like all the other KAT and KAM sets are doing? I like being able to purchase exactly what I want, no more no less.
Looking at the numbers for previous GBs it should actually be cheapest for the average buyer this way.
If we have separate alphas and mods, a 40% user would only need alphas + 40%. But the 40% kit would end up being quite a bit bigger to include necessary keys currently available in the base kit (bottom row keys, shifts, etc). This means that people who want to buy kits for 60%+ and 40% support would actually end up with a ton of duplicate keys. Based on previous GB numbers a pretty big majority of 40% buyers usually buy 60%+ support too, so these kits make it cheapest for these users.
I'd like to know what statistics or group buys you're examining to draw this conclusion. It's important because the vast majority of "ortho/40s" kits cannot actually support staggered 40s, which forces the purchase of 60+% mods.
Well, yeah—if I have to buy 60+% mods to actually use the set at all, I'm either going to buy them and consider that the cost of entry, or just pass because all in it's too expensive. Just recently I ended up passing on the 40s kit for SA Ramses because after adding in the TKL mods that were required, it was just way too much for a bunch of keys I'd never use.
Forcing ortho users in particular into an entire set of TKL staggered mods is particularly crappy as they won't use the vast majority of these keys. (Even more of those keys will go unused if they're not QWERTY users or use international layouts...)
There are reasons it's so common to separate alphas and mods when the manufacturer/MOQ system allows this. I would urge you to at the very least poll prospective Oblique buyers specifically about the separation of alphas and mods in your IC form.
Why not split alphas and mods like all the other KAT and KAM sets are doing? I like being able to purchase exactly what I want, no more no less.
Looking at the numbers for previous GBs it should actually be cheapest for the average buyer this way.
If we have separate alphas and mods, a 40% user would only need alphas + 40%. But the 40% kit would end up being quite a bit bigger to include necessary keys currently available in the base kit (bottom row keys, shifts, etc). This means that people who want to buy kits for 60%+ and 40% support would actually end up with a ton of duplicate keys. Based on previous GB numbers a pretty big majority of 40% buyers usually buy 60%+ support too, so these kits make it cheapest for these users.
I'd like to know what statistics or group buys you're examining to draw this conclusion. It's important because the vast majority of "ortho/40s" kits cannot actually support staggered 40s, which forces the purchase of 60+% mods.
Well, yeah—if I have to buy 60+% mods to actually use the set at all, I'm either going to buy them and consider that the cost of entry, or just pass because all in it's too expensive. Just recently I ended up passing on the 40s kit for SA Ramses because after adding in the TKL mods that were required, it was just way too much for a bunch of keys I'd never use.
Forcing ortho users in particular into an entire set of TKL staggered mods is particularly crappy as they won't use the vast majority of these keys. (Even more of those keys will go unused if they're not QWERTY users or use international layouts...)
There are reasons it's so common to separate alphas and mods when the manufacturer/MOQ system allows this. I would urge you to at the very least poll prospective Oblique buyers specifically about the separation of alphas and mods in your IC form.
I'll rerun the numbers on this to make sure. I think a lot of people (myself included) generally buy support for multiple layouts so that when a keyset arrives it can be used on whichever board I decide at the time. Regardless, these are still provisional kit layouts so nothing is set in stone.
Since this might end up becoming an in-stock set rather than a GB I will need try to keep the number of kits to a minimum though. I might even have to cut or combine some of the current kits so that the vendors aren't taking too much risk with predicting sales of the child kits. No vendor wants to have a ton of alphas left but no mods or vice-versa. I'll try to see what I can do about optimizing kit layouts for 40%/colevrak users though.
Since this might end up becoming an in-stock set rather than a GB I will need try to keep the number of kits to a minimum though.
Since this might end up becoming an in-stock set rather than a GB I will need try to keep the number of kits to a minimum though.
One easy way to reduce number of kits is to add accents to the mod kits.
I don't understand why the Ortho and colverak options were removed. Keyreative only counts total kits, not moq of individual kits. Sigh.
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Oh man, if the 40's / ortho kits are still going to be made, this is a for sure buy for me. Without that support though, it won't work for me. :-(
Good luck, although I'm out of any KAT until they normalize their qc standards.between that, GMK 2 year waits with terrible last minute communications and some awefule PBT ones good luck, choices are slim now.
Is there any potential for making this in another sculpted profile? I'm sure people would prefer a good sculpted profile in something reliable, and made soon, rather than waiting for KAT to sort out their substandard quality control ;D
Throwing in a vote for Signature Plastics SA in PBT.Is there any potential for making this in another sculpted profile? I'm sure people would prefer a good sculpted profile in something reliable, and made soon, rather than waiting for KAT to sort out their substandard quality control ;D
Yes, Oblique will definitely still happen at some point in a different profile. Will be a while perhaps since I've been super busy with work, but once we have a profile/manufacturer we're confident in I'll post another IC
Hi everyone, it's been a while since the last update.
When I launched this IC I thought many of KAT's previous QC issues had been mainly resolved. However, there were a lot of concerns raised about quality in this thread and especially in the IC form. Since launching this IC, I have also received 2 of my own KAT GB orders, and honestly the dye-sub quality of both left a lot to be desired. So for the time being I'm putting this set on hold since the last thing I want to do is disappoint people with a sub-par product.
This IC has given me some good feedback which will make its way into the next version of Oblique, whether it's in KAT or another profile. Also got lots of good movie, TV, and even one book recommendation in the IC form. Unfortunately quite a few that aren't available on Netflix here in Ireland, but I'm sure I'll be able to watch them all eventually.
In the mean time things look like they might finally start moving again with TA Origins, and I have a few other projects I'm working on which might get revealed soon too
Hi everyone, it's been a while since the last update.
When I launched this IC I thought many of KAT's previous QC issues had been mainly resolved. However, there were a lot of concerns raised about quality in this thread and especially in the IC form. Since launching this IC, I have also received 2 of my own KAT GB orders, and honestly the dye-sub quality of both left a lot to be desired. So for the time being I'm putting this set on hold since the last thing I want to do is disappoint people with a sub-par product.
This IC has given me some good feedback which will make its way into the next version of Oblique, whether it's in KAT or another profile. Also got lots of good movie, TV, and even one book recommendation in the IC form. Unfortunately quite a few that aren't available on Netflix here in Ireland, but I'm sure I'll be able to watch them all eventually.
In the mean time things look like they might finally start moving again with TA Origins, and I have a few other projects I'm working on which might get revealed soon too
Hey, for what it’s worth, I just received my geekark 9009 set (PBT dye sub) and I’m very happy with the results. Definitely worth considering in terms of quality for a potential oblique set.
On another note, I bought a set of XDA Oblique off mechmarket and I’m VERY happy with them - what was the issue with XDA again?
On another note, I bought a set of XDA Oblique off mechmarket and I’m VERY happy with them - what was the issue with XDA again?XDA were pretty bad with communication during the first GB, pretty much telling me it'll be ready in a couple weeks for like 6 months straight ;D .
Besides I don't really think there are that many XDA lovers these days; when it first launched XDA was still new and had some hype but I doubt it would sell as well second time. And I still see XDA Oblique selling on r/mm for not much above GB price, so I don't really see the point tbh
Are there any plans to continue working in this set? maybe in some other profile like DSS