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Title: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | GB Ends November 15th!
Post by: Dotnick on Sat, 18 September 2021, 09:37:48

(https://i.imgur.com/0xtezRS.jpg)

GMK Chaos Theory

Hey everyone,

It has been a long time coming but here it finally is, GMK Chaos Theory! I have been really inspired recently by the topic of chaos theory and everything that is involved including parallel dimensions, multiple universes, the duality of chaos and order, and the math/physics that underpins all of this as well. These are pretty abstract concepts to distill into a keycap set, but I hope you all find something to enjoy out of it!

Vendors

US: Mekibo (https://mekibo.com/)
CA: Ashkeebs (https://www.ashkeebs.com/gmk-chaos-theory/)
SA: Fancy Customs (https://fancycustoms.com/)
EU: CandyKeys (https://candykeys.com/)
UK: proto[Typist] (https://prototypist.net/collections/gmk-chaos-theory)
OCE: SwitchKeys (https://www.switchkeys.com.au/products/gmk-chaos-theory)
SEA: iLumkb (https://ilumkb.com/products/gmk-chaos-theory)
PHI: Zion Studios (https://zionstudios.ph/product/groupbuy-gmk-chaos-theory/)
S. Korea: KLC Playground (https://klc-playground.co.kr/?idx=13)
CN/Int'l: KBDFans (https://kbdfans.com/collections/group-buy/products/ic-gmk-chaos-theory)

GB will run from October 8, 2021 to November 15, 2021.

Expected delivery: Q4 2022

Pricing

(https://i.imgur.com/54719I5.jpg)

Colors

I was going through my late father's comics collection when I stumbled upon a box of old sci-fi artwork from the 70s and 80s that absolutely stunned me. While it is hard to put colors to the abstract themes of chaos theory, I found that these comics and the dystopian or sometimes euphoric scenes that they depict did a wonderful job of synthesizing the concepts of parallel dimensions, alternate realities, and much more into lush color palettes.

This first unnamed piece by Yoshihisa Sadamatsu inspired the fundamental colors of the set.

(https://i.imgur.com/ofAADAz.jpg)

I pulled much of the inspiration for the accent colors around the three fundamental colors of the set from these pieces:

(https://i.imgur.com/DNBnr7V.jpg) 1) Unnamed piece by Anton Brzezinski

(https://i.imgur.com/9Icn2Mv.jpg) 2) Plains of Tartarus by Bruce Pennington

(https://i.imgur.com/DfNLaVH.jpg) 3) Colonies in Space by TA Heppenheimer (1977)

(https://i.imgur.com/6JylOVu.jpg) 4) Lost World, vol. 1 by Bruce Pennington

These last two pieces guided me artistically:

(https://i.imgur.com/Wcg3RSl.jpg) 5) Unnamed piece by Hiroshi Manabe (early 70s)

(https://i.imgur.com/aTkrRKR.jpg) 6) The Man in the Maze by Bruce Pennington

Kits

(https://i.imgur.com/NPxdCxV.png)

The Order and Chaos base kits provide support for 60%, 65%, 75%, and TKL layouts for terminal ISO and ANSI layouts. There is also support for ergonomic/split keyboard layouts (split space bars and a second B). The R4 2.25U shift supports 660-like and type K layouts. F13 requiring boards and 40% keyboards (R3 1.50U Enter, R3 1.25U Tab, R2 1.75U Backspace) are also supported.

(https://i.imgur.com/iCmrmSf.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/JGDJ8wk.png)

Novelties explainer:

The main novelty that repeats in the accent colors is the symbol of chaos.

The concepts of ordered and disordered systems are two commonly studied and connected topics within chaos theory that I wanted to represent artistically in the novelties. In the paired columns of novelties, the symbol of chaos and the symbol of extropy (the extent of a living or organizational system's capacity and drive for improvement and growth) are featured. Continuing down from R2-R4, two columns of novelties depict fundamental shapes (hexagon, square, triangle, and circle/spiral) in ordered and disordered forms.

The ISO enter novelty is an abstract rendition of the nautilus shell/logarithmic spiral motif (for anyone interested in what exactly the spiral ratio is, I recommend reading this (https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Clement-Falbo-2/publication/247892441_The_Golden_Ratio-A_Contrary_Viewpoint/links/55a2d56008aea815dffd29c4/The-Golden-Ratio-A-Contrary-Viewpoint.pdf) and this (https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00004-018-0419-3)).

Two R4 1.25U and 1.50U text novelties commemorate famous scientists who have contributed significantly to the field of chaos theory.

(https://i.imgur.com/O4VYbEW.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/isPafE7.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/CkplmbX.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/9qDpGiE.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/aPVOxmj.png)

Candykeys has guaranteed that this kit will be made.

Renders

618 by Zepsody (https://discord.gg/WAmEfCKT9S)

(https://i.imgur.com/ioSCIii.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/DY3ozkv.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/cqtqad0.jpg)

Void by MISFIT

(https://i.imgur.com/8QQ6K7s.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/bQ74vUJ.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/GBRCYAc.jpg)

Pulsar by Zepsody (https://discord.gg/WAmEfCKT9S)

(https://i.imgur.com/lOULMrb.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/nnsYC9l.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/8udUouG.jpg)

Other

Deskpads

Minimal shapes deskpad
(https://i.imgur.com/WhQhB5F.png)

Butterfly effect deskpad by Tabijey (https://www.instagram.com/tabijey/)
(https://i.imgur.com/qOLF9k4.jpg)

Metal Artisan by Keylabs Crucible

(https://i.imgur.com/cI50uW0.gif)

Aluminum base anodized to match the modifiers dark purple and randomly infilled with a combination of two of the pink, green, purple, yellow, and red accent colors from the set.

There are 20 possible combinations, please forgive the lack of static renders.

Metal Artisan by HIBI

(https://i.imgur.com/cYfuvMr.gif)

Brass base with colorful PVD coating and a luminous glow enamel fill.

This design is a depiction of the Lorenz attractor butterfly motif.

Static angles:

(https://i.imgur.com/JOIJiAN.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/rUU6k8W.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/LfjxLLZ.png)

Singularity switches

(https://i.imgur.com/xfBvdss.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/9hsRCLo.jpg)

More information:

Switch specs:
Manufacturer is Tecsee
Rainbow aluminum-plated full nylon housings
Linear long pole POM stem (3.4mm travel) color matched to the pink accent of GMK Chaos Theory
68g 15mm standard gold springs
Each switch's rainbow metal plating will be different and appear differently.

These will be reviewed by Sampakpak (https://www.twitch.tv/sampakpak) and Shoobs (https://www.youtube.com/c/ShoobsTube/featured) sometime in October, so look out for that!

This specific colorway of Tecsee's metal plated switches will only run for the GMK Chaos Theory GB and will not be made again.

EVERY SWITCH WILL LOOK DIFFERENT AS A CONSEQUENCE OF THE PLATING PROCESS
please open up the second more tab to see the variance:

(https://i.imgur.com/tKsnKZ8.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/qIUrldR.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/IrEyE0x.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/GEie1U7.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/kjcZbOc.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/nJjnQhE.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/o3XhAYc.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/ouZ7Wa7.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/IbmsdXK.jpg)

Space Cables Collaboration

(https://i.imgur.com/rYPpdDY.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/QmIKQWx.jpg)

Artisans collaborations

Archetype
Dreadkeys
Winkeys
GooeyKeys
DestroyerCaps
SodieCaps
PiterKiwi Keycaps
Keylabs
SludgeKidd
TinyMakesThings
PrimeCaps
LividityCaps

American Haptics - workmat

I am welcome to any other makers, please just message me on discord!

Easily answered questions

1) Will the metal switches be expensive?

They will be on the higher end of switch prices because the aluminum plating process is very expensive as is, but I have fronted the injection molding cost myself and will be making zero profit off of these. The vendors will be running these at largely break-even costs with profits from the caps sales helping to offset any losses. So these will be as affordable as physically possible.

2) Numpad is separate again, why?

With this as well, I wanted to put as much compatibility into the base kit as possible while keeping the price around the $110-$115USD price range, which I could not achieve with numpad in the base kit.

Hence, I broke out numpad into a child kit. I will not be taking profit from the numpad kit, so it will be slightly cheaper than usual for this reason. I hope this helps.

3) There are so many colors, won't that make colormatching take a long time?

I totally understand this concern with GMK sets particularly.

In order to mitigate the time required for colormatching and to help with the precision of these colors, all colors for this set are Pantone-referenced colors and four out of the seven of them have previously been color matched by GMK for other sets (deltaE values below 3). I thankfully have permission to use these references.

While there are a few more factors to consider with colormatching such as the stock color of the sourced plastic used differing from batch to batch, having pre-colormatched samples should certainly help in the long run.

4) Why only backwards alphas and not everything else?

That was not financially feasible in just this single project. So we split this project up into two parts, this first part accomplishes getting molds for the alphas and a follow-up project (GMK Pure Chaos) will accomplish getting molds for the modifiers (yes, I will only be doing this for backwards icon mods as of now).

5) This looks like GMK _________, where's the comparison?

Color comparisons are on the way for all the sets that people have shown interest in seeing comparisons for (Cojiro, 8008, Future Funk, Olivia, and Moondust).

6) Did you consider taking a more mathematical approach to the novelties?

I definitely did, I actually spent two months studying chaos theory out of personal interest.

I tried initially to depict things like the Mandelbrot set, a bifurcation plot, or a strange attractor in the novelties, but it became difficult due to the expanding nature of these figures. Something else I considered was featuring some key equations on novelties but I did not like the look of writing out complex equations on a keycap, not to mention that most of them did not fit within the length of the cap unless the print was extremely fine, which became visually very unbalanced and hard to read (something that dye sublimation would not have helped).

It became increasingly apparent the more that I tried that it would be simpler and classier to pay homage to some of the famous scientists by featuring their names as text novelties (permitting that their names fit the length of the caps).

I made a metal artisan design of a Lorenz attractor that I may run separately as it wasn't possible to fit it into this groupbuy. We will see.

7) Why did you decide to go with doubleshot for this project as opposed to dye sublimation?

If CRP was an option, I would be throwing this project at them without hesitation.

However, with the currently accessible manufacturers for dye-sublimated PBT keycaps, I was worried about some of the colors and novelties of this set not being achieved as precisely as I would like. While the dye-sublimation restrictions for novelties designs would have allowed more detailed iconography, ink bleed and legend crispness remains a major concern with this manufacturing process.

GMK colormatching is not perfect. But, for saturated colors like the ones I have chosen, it has a better shot of achieving them than dye-sublimation does.

If you have any more questions, please join my server and I would be more than happy to answer your questions!

Credits

Pikku-allu
Ray (rkristia)
ZTMD
Everyone in my discord server

Thank you for your support. Please join my discord for updates on this set and artisan collaborations!

(https://i.imgur.com/zru4DhD.png) (https://discord.gg/dotnick)

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Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: of_sam on Sat, 18 September 2021, 10:41:20

No.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: Dotnick on Sat, 18 September 2021, 10:43:05

Quote from: of_sam on Sat, 18 September 2021, 10:41:20

No.

Maybe

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: Fraaaan on Sat, 18 September 2021, 10:43:12

ne iso enter accent?

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: Entity. on Sat, 18 September 2021, 10:43:36

Nice

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 18 September 2021, 10:45:55

very sad that i'm allergic to icon only mods; that oscillations pack is hot. would buy multiple if icon+text.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: Bub on Sat, 18 September 2021, 10:46:35

Quote from: Dotnick on Sat, 18 September 2021, 10:43:05

Quote from: of_sam on Sat, 18 September 2021, 10:41:20
No.

Maybe

Mostly

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: Afresh on Sat, 18 September 2021, 10:55:49

Quote from: Bub on Sat, 18 September 2021, 10:46:35

Quote from: Dotnick on Sat, 18 September 2021, 10:43:05
Quote from: of_sam on Sat, 18 September 2021, 10:41:20
No.

Maybe

Mostly

Usually

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: totalemon on Sat, 18 September 2021, 10:58:10

really pretty, this is gonna go great on silver boards and I'm looking forward to the GB! :thumb:

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: Bachoo on Sat, 18 September 2021, 11:02:54

Quote from: Afresh on Sat, 18 September 2021, 10:55:49

Quote from: Bub on Sat, 18 September 2021, 10:46:35
Quote from: Dotnick on Sat, 18 September 2021, 10:43:05
Quote from: of_sam on Sat, 18 September 2021, 10:41:20
No.

Maybe

Mostly

Usually

conceivably

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: Dotnick on Sat, 18 September 2021, 11:06:01

Added Space Cables collaboration.

(https://i.imgur.com/rYPpdDY.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/QmIKQWx.jpg)

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: Bachoo on Sat, 18 September 2021, 11:15:52

Hello Mr. Dotnick,

I am writing to you to inquire where pricing is located on your GB thread. Unless you posted this to the wrong location.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: Dotnick on Sat, 18 September 2021, 11:16:47

Quote from: Bachoo on Sat, 18 September 2021, 11:15:52

Hello Mr. Dotnick,

I am writing to you to inquire where pricing is located on your GB thread. Unless you posted this to the wrong location.

Pricing coming around the end of the week.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: KneeDeep on Sat, 18 September 2021, 11:19:04

You’ve successfully tapped into my psychonaut side! I dig this and probably in for two accent kits.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: denibhoxha on Sat, 18 September 2021, 11:48:48

Consider the F5 to F8 keys on the backwards alphas kit as well, so it can work to fill out 2 boards fully, would also look cool to have everything backwards and not just 4 keys be normal.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: norb on Sat, 18 September 2021, 12:42:21

damn, you had me at the backwards alphas. but you forgot a few, the M, W and T are normal :))

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: Ella on Sat, 18 September 2021, 12:57:44

Quote from: of_sam on Sat, 18 September 2021, 10:41:20

No.

deez

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: Skok on Sat, 18 September 2021, 13:06:28

2nd deskmat is heat

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: notquant on Sat, 18 September 2021, 14:04:31

Is there a sock collab too

Title: Re: [GB] GMK Chaos Theory
Post by: konstantin on Sat, 18 September 2021, 14:59:14

Why wasn't this posted as an interest check first? Now you literally have no time to take user feedback or address any potential issues that might rear their head before the GB.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: Infrared on Sat, 18 September 2021, 15:54:03

Those switches are sexy o.O

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: AASH on Sat, 18 September 2021, 19:57:22

Quote from: konstantin on Sat, 18 September 2021, 14:59:14

Why wasn't this posted as an interest check first? Now you literally have no time to take user feedback or address any potential issues that might rear their head before the GB.

This. I would also like to bring up that although kitting looks pretty darn good to me, the chaos alphas will cost a lot due to the cost of now molds. I would have loved to see this happen in dyesub, leaving opportunities for even more cool/crazy ideas while being overall way cheaper. Please consider making an IC next time, and not defaulting to GMK.
Great set, great theme, awesome renders, glwgb

40s, with love

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: HungHingDaiLo on Sat, 18 September 2021, 20:00:06

Let's go, GLWGB Nick! Sick renders, pikku-allu!

Title: Re: [GB] GMK Chaos Theory
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Sat, 18 September 2021, 21:33:52

Quote from: konstantin on Sat, 18 September 2021, 14:59:14

Why wasn't this posted as an interest check first? Now you literally have no time to take user feedback or address any potential issues that might rear their head before the GB.

I’d forgotten this -wasn’t- on geekhack having seen it for a while on discord

Love the artisans.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: novelflyer on Sat, 18 September 2021, 23:20:46

The accents and novelties looks great! GLWGB :thumb:

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: kukkurovaca on Sun, 19 September 2021, 01:33:24

Chaos alphas demand a Keebio WTF60 render.

Also, shame that there isn’t also a reversed numpad at least; will this be included in the future “pure chaos” version?

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: Kokaloo on Sun, 19 September 2021, 02:11:45

Wow how come you decided to include mod pipe and tilde in this set but not Lavender which you were pretty adamant on not including them on?

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: scoopbb on Sun, 19 September 2021, 02:47:00

40s kit would be excellent but prolly wont happen i take it

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: hekt1k on Sun, 19 September 2021, 03:56:31

Quote from: norb on Sat, 18 September 2021, 12:42:21

damn, you had me at the backwards alphas. but you forgot a few, the M, W and T are normal :))

I'm embarrassed to say I didn't even notice the alphas are backwards. LOL

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: Dotnick on Sun, 19 September 2021, 08:16:28

Quote from: scoopbb on Sun, 19 September 2021, 02:47:00

40s kit would be excellent but prolly wont happen i take it

I gave 40s a chance in GMK Lavender by making it it's own kit. With 3850 base kit sales after extras, it narrowly met MOQ of 100.

Three-key support for 40s in GMK sets seems the more fruitful approach for guaranteeing production of 40% keys.

tl;dr - if the 40s community bought GMK 40s kits better, I definitely would have considered it.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: namidettje on Sun, 19 September 2021, 10:46:09

On the edge. Really interesting set, altough not sure about the predominant white. Would have tried some lavenderish or pinkish but overall I dig it.

What's undiggable is the more than a year of waiting time (and even more) for the set to arrive.

GLWGB

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: CookieFlow on Sun, 19 September 2021, 11:16:28

There is something very cool and unique about this set.

But I told myself that I woudn't join a GMK set anymore until they are able to catch up on their queue faster. 2023 feels so far away, and Q1 is probably the most optimistic case.
I'll try my luck on extras or pay aftermarket in 2 years.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: brunosan_. on Sun, 19 September 2021, 14:32:17

Mindblowing set.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: Kokaloo on Sun, 19 September 2021, 14:38:02

Quote from: Dotnick on Sun, 19 September 2021, 08:16:28

Quote from: scoopbb on Sun, 19 September 2021, 02:47:00
40s kit would be excellent but prolly wont happen i take it

I gave 40s a chance in GMK Lavender by making it it's own kit. With 3850 base kit sales after extras, it narrowly met MOQ of 100.

Three-key support for 40s in GMK sets seems the more fruitful approach for guaranteeing production of 40% keys.

tl;dr - if the 40s community bought GMK 40s kits better, I definitely would have considered it.

While 3 key is perfectly fine and I'm happy to see it considered for most new sets, where is 3850 coming from? Looking at the chart in the GB page it ended around 1500 base sold before extras, then it topped out at below 3000. That's still a little under 10% attachment rate for 40s which performed better than the international kit in that set, yet you still have international here? The reason I compare these two common child kits is because one is purely a language kit, while the other offers physical compatibility for keyboards, meaning skipping out on physical compat leads some boards to straight up not be compatible with sets.

We are at a point where child kits are getting extremely pricey to the point of offering two base kits rather than one and an alt alphas set. If there is enough demand for a set the child kits should scale with it, but if there isn't enough confidence in a set it's understandable to scale down child kits. 40s getting slashed here in favor of.... All the other child kits you have here is odd. If you want to pull numbers there could at least be a reliable source of information if dvorcools chart is to not be used.

Title: Re: [GB] GMK Chaos Theory
Post by: _rubik on Sun, 19 September 2021, 15:02:26

Quote from: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Sat, 18 September 2021, 21:33:52

Quote from: konstantin on Sat, 18 September 2021, 14:59:14
Why wasn't this posted as an interest check first? Now you literally have no time to take user feedback or address any potential issues that might rear their head before the GB.

I’d forgotten this -wasn’t- on geekhack having seen it for a while on discord

I like the set, but it really did come out of nowhere. Trouble with discord is not everyone can monitor all servers at all times -- GH is a good place to centralize ICs.

Not to mention that chat platforms like discord and slack are designed to be ephemeral, but forum posts are far more permanent.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: Dotnick on Sun, 19 September 2021, 15:23:34

Quote from: Kokaloo on Sun, 19 September 2021, 14:38:02

Quote from: Dotnick on Sun, 19 September 2021, 08:16:28
Quote from: scoopbb on Sun, 19 September 2021, 02:47:00
40s kit would be excellent but prolly wont happen i take it

I gave 40s a chance in GMK Lavender by making it it's own kit. With 3850 base kit sales after extras, it narrowly met MOQ of 100.

Three-key support for 40s in GMK sets seems the more fruitful approach for guaranteeing production of 40% keys.

tl;dr - if the 40s community bought GMK 40s kits better, I definitely would have considered it.

While 3 key is perfectly fine and I'm happy to see it considered for most new sets, where is 3850 coming from? Looking at the chart in the GB page it ended around 1500 base sold before extras, then it topped out at below 3000. That's still a little under 10% attachment rate for 40s which performed better than the international kit in that set, yet you still have international here? The reason I compare these two common child kits is because one is purely a language kit, while the other offers physical compatibility for keyboards, meaning skipping out on physical compat leads some boards to straight up not be compatible with sets.

We are at a point where child kits are getting extremely pricey to the point of offering two base kits rather than one and an alt alphas set. If there is enough demand for a set the child kits should scale with it, but if there isn't enough confidence in a set it's understandable to scale down child kits. 40s getting slashed here in favor of.... All the other child kits you have here is odd. If you want to pull numbers there could at least be a reliable source of information if dvorcools chart is to not be used.

1. There are two base kits for GMK Lavender, please look at both of them.

2. International Kit is guaranteed to hit MOQ by Candykeys because it helps sales in the UK/EU region. International was also guaranteed to hit MOQ by Candykeys for GMK Lavender. There isn't this guarantee with the 40s kit, so this is an apples to oranges comparison.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: Prelim on Sun, 19 September 2021, 15:36:00

Are the alphas WS1/CR color?

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: Dotnick on Sun, 19 September 2021, 15:36:34

Quote from: Prelim on Sun, 19 September 2021, 15:36:00

Are the alphas WS1/CR color?

They are two custom Pantones!

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: Kokaloo on Sun, 19 September 2021, 15:40:20

Quote from: Dotnick on Sun, 19 September 2021, 15:23:34

1. There are two base kits for GMK Lavender, look at both of them.

2. International Kit is guaranteed to hit MOQ by Candykeys because it helps sales in the UK/EU region. International was also guaranteed to hit MOQ by Candykeys for GMK Lavender. There isn't this guarantee with the 40s kit, this is an apples to oranges comparison.

Bringing up lavenders two base kits only makes the high amount of child kits here more confusing. I would have also preferred an explanation on the numbers you had for lavendar, but you're not obligated to explain of course.

Its interesting that your set confidence rides on the guarentees of vendors. Another pro for not posting an IC or taking feedback whatsoever. Good luck!

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: JQ27 on Sun, 19 September 2021, 18:08:47

Quote from: Fraaaan on Sat, 18 September 2021, 10:43:12

ne iso enter accent?

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: scoopbb on Sun, 19 September 2021, 19:15:40

Quote from: Dotnick on Sun, 19 September 2021, 08:16:28

Quote from: scoopbb on Sun, 19 September 2021, 02:47:00
40s kit would be excellent but prolly wont happen i take it

I gave 40s a chance in GMK Lavender by making it it's own kit. With 3850 base kit sales after extras, it narrowly met MOQ of 100.

Three-key support for 40s in GMK sets seems the more fruitful approach for guaranteeing production of 40% keys.

tl;dr - if the 40s community bought GMK 40s kits better, I definitely would have considered it.

lol so if i thought 1 set was not to my taste i should be punished for liking another? narrowly making moq seems like still making moq to me. why even bring up extra buys from vendors as a count of base kits sold, they obviously arent going to buy buying 1000s of 40s child kits.

do you simply mean "there isnt enough profit in it for me to bother?"

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: Surostu on Sun, 19 September 2021, 20:08:14

A lot of sets lately, including Lavender have either barely hit moq for 40s kits, not hit and required SIGNIFICANT buy out from vendors (on a not popular kit) or are no where even near close and get cancelled early in the buy. In that case it results in refunds that require admin time, have an associated refund fee cost and many people who bought the base as well, then cancel their order entirely. Many of the sets that have had 40s cancelled or hit low numbers had long running I.Cs as well.

If the 40s community wants this to change, it needs to start buying on day one to prevent this. So as a work around, this set and others are including the '3 keys' solution so there is atleast some support. This isn't the only set doing it. Its a by product of a changing market. In the same way alice boards are increasing in popularity, having bars in base. In contrast, "to numpad in base or not" is another thats debated a lot currently, so its not just 40s that is being affected by how the hobby is changing. The hobbys kitting demands shift as per the need of the way boards are designed, and unfortunately in this case, the way the community spends it money.

Optimising kitting in ways that allows for the most value possible, to give as much compat as possible, for as many people as possible without increasing cost sigificantly is something that will never go away in this hobby because everyone wants different things. And thats ok. Designers like Nick are just doing what the current market, their community and vendors are advising them to do.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: Dotnick on Sun, 19 September 2021, 20:21:53

Quote from: scoopbb on Sun, 19 September 2021, 19:15:40

Quote from: Dotnick on Sun, 19 September 2021, 08:16:28
Quote from: scoopbb on Sun, 19 September 2021, 02:47:00
40s kit would be excellent but prolly wont happen i take it

I gave 40s a chance in GMK Lavender by making it it's own kit. With 3850 base kit sales after extras, it narrowly met MOQ of 100.

Three-key support for 40s in GMK sets seems the more fruitful approach for guaranteeing production of 40% keys.

tl;dr - if the 40s community bought GMK 40s kits better, I definitely would have considered it.

lol so if i thought 1 set was not to my taste i should be punished for liking another? narrowly making moq seems like still making moq to me. why even bring up extra buys from vendors as a count of base kits sold, they obviously arent going to buy buying 1000s of 40s child kits.

do you simply mean "there isnt enough profit in it for me to bother?"

The reason I bring up the extras numbers is because the 40s kit did not meet MOQ organically in the GB and extras had to be bought to meet MOQ. I really dont mean the 40s kit exclusion personally at all, I just dont believe it will make MOQ based on the evidence of previous GMK sets with all lengths of IC that have had 40s kits cancelled.

Alternatively, recently separate numpad kits have been reaching MOQ, so it made sense for me to break this out in favor of alice bar support, the extra 660 layout shift key, and three-key 40s support (where I can guarantee the 40s community some level of baked in compatibility). I was also given information from vendors who have run separate macros kits that they meet MOQ organically given the influx of boards in the hobby requiring those layouts.

Even though there was no interest check for this set, I did not make this set under a rock, I was advised by vendors, my discord community and fellow designers.

Also, I clearly am not just all about the profit if I'm not taking numpad profits or profits from the switches. It's honestly just rude to jump straight to that. I'm just trying to make something cool and fun because I enjoy doing so.

Quote from: JQ27 on Sun, 19 September 2021, 18:08:47

Quote from: Fraaaan on Sat, 18 September 2021, 10:43:12
ne iso enter accent?

I am going to figure out how to fit this in, guaranteed.

Title: Re: [GB] GMK Chaos Theory
Post by: konstantin on Sun, 19 September 2021, 21:33:28

1. Consider using Meta instead of Fn for the R4 1.25u key.
The Fn legend looks to narrow next to System — Meta would fit in better. Meta kinda also fits the theme of the set better :P

2. Also consider changing the R3 1.75u Control key to use an icon legend.
This aids with visual consistency, as the text legend has a habit of looking out of place in the middle of icon mods (comparison (https://imgur.com/ngbaQa9), example in kit (https://i.imgur.com/4M23EGw)).

3. 6c centered stem is more common than 6c off-centered stem. I suggest changing it to the former.

4. Speaking of spacebars, 2c should probably be in the base kit together with 2.25c and 2.75c.
2c and 2.25c spacekeys are used about equally as commonly. But I get that you're reluctant to add any more keys to base.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: JomiKarloz on Sun, 19 September 2021, 22:50:50

I love the colors, and as a math nerd, i love all the representations of chaos. I thought i would see some sort of butterfly novelty

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: Dotnick on Sun, 19 September 2021, 23:14:25

Quote from: JomiKarloz on Sun, 19 September 2021, 22:50:50

I love the colors, and as a math nerd, i love all the representations of chaos. I thought i would see some sort of butterfly novelty

I was working on a novelty with RAMAworks that was a Lorenz Attractor design (essentially the butterfly). But had to pivot last minute as RAMA stopped responding. I will likely do a buy for a rainbow PVD metal artisan with this design some time down the line for discord server members.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: Vorge on Mon, 20 September 2021, 00:53:20

This is really nice, would've liked this to be an IC to ask more about the missing F-row Chaos Alphas, but either way I really like this and hope you don't make me poor... poorer :thumb:

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: Sax_______ on Mon, 20 September 2021, 05:30:29

God damn I had told myself no more sets for the rest of the year.

Last one I swear.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: Jr.Mars on Mon, 20 September 2021, 09:28:30

What's the colorway of alpha legend?

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: norb on Mon, 20 September 2021, 11:12:39

Quote from: Vorge on Mon, 20 September 2021, 00:53:20

This is really nice, would've liked this to be an IC to ask more about the missing F-row Chaos Alphas, but either way I really like this and hope you don't make me poor... poorer :thumb:

my uneducated guess would be, to keep the order in the chaos. all alpha colored keys are mirrored and all the mod colored ones are correctly aligned.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: Dotnick on Mon, 20 September 2021, 13:55:27

Quote from: ElvisXSS on Mon, 20 September 2021, 09:28:30

What's the colorway of alpha legend?

It is a frosted white base with the dark indigo/purple modifiers base as the legends color.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: Auracity on Mon, 20 September 2021, 18:14:35

Mod tilde and pipe in chaos alphas please!

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | accent ISO enter added to base kit!
Post by: Dotnick on Mon, 20 September 2021, 19:27:27

bump for accent ISO enter addition to the base kit!

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: scoopbb on Tue, 21 September 2021, 02:25:39

Quote from: Dotnick on Sun, 19 September 2021, 20:21:53

The reason I bring up the extras numbers is because the 40s kit did not meet MOQ organically in the GB and extras had to be bought to meet MOQ. I really dont mean the 40s kit exclusion personally at all, I just dont believe it will make MOQ based on the evidence of previous GMK sets with all lengths of IC that have had 40s kits cancelled.

My issue in all this is when vendors are comfortably buying 1000 extras of base kits there is literally no worry for them to buy out 25 40s kits. They always sell out anyway afterwards. Also yes it was rude but its pretty common as hobbies grow into big businesses and the profits become huge that no one gives a **** about the community. It seems more and more common in this "hobby"

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: Runningtarrens on Tue, 21 September 2021, 06:28:21

Quote from: norb on Sat, 18 September 2021, 12:42:21

damn, you had me at the backwards alphas. but you forgot a few, the M, W and T are normal :))

those should be upside down for ultimate chaos!

Title: Re: [GB] GMK Chaos Theory
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 21 September 2021, 11:35:24

Quote from: Dotnick on Mon, 20 September 2021, 19:27:27

bump for accent ISO enter addition to the base kit!

w/a these?

Quote from: konstantin on Sun, 19 September 2021, 21:33:28

2. Also consider changing the R3 1.75u Control key to use an icon legend.
This aids with visual consistency, as the text legend has a habit of looking out of place in the middle of icon mods (comparison (https://imgur.com/ngbaQa9), example in kit (https://i.imgur.com/4M23EGw)).

3. 6c centered stem is more common than 6c off-centered stem. I suggest changing it to the former.

Title: Re: [GB] GMK Chaos Theory
Post by: Dotnick on Tue, 21 September 2021, 11:53:35

Quote from: konstantin on Tue, 21 September 2021, 11:35:24

Quote from: Dotnick on Mon, 20 September 2021, 19:27:27
bump for accent ISO enter addition to the base kit!

w/a these?
Quote from: konstantin on Sun, 19 September 2021, 21:33:28
2. Also consider changing the R3 1.75u Control key to use an icon legend.
This aids with visual consistency, as the text legend has a habit of looking out of place in the middle of icon mods (comparison (https://imgur.com/ngbaQa9), example in kit (https://i.imgur.com/4M23EGw)).

3. 6c centered stem is more common than 6c off-centered stem. I suggest changing it to the former.

won't be changing the r3 control key, but will be changing the 6U to centered.

:thumb:

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | accent ISO enter added to base kit!
Post by: andreiborisov on Tue, 21 September 2021, 13:56:25

Do you plan to hold on to the new alphas?

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | accent ISO enter added to base kit!
Post by: Mr Chrome on Tue, 21 September 2021, 14:36:14

I like the colorway. I agree with some others that since the backwards alphas are really what sets this set apart, it probably would’ve been better to run in ePBT or something for cheaper, and with more child kit freedom.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | accent ISO enter added to base kit!
Post by: Dotnick on Tue, 21 September 2021, 14:42:55

Quote from: Mr Chrome on Tue, 21 September 2021, 14:36:14

I like the colorway. I agree with some others that since the backwards alphas are really what sets this set apart, it probably would’ve been better to run in ePBT or something for cheaper, and with more child kit freedom.

I did think of dyesub for this set. But ultimately, I wasn't content with any of the uncoated Pantone colors I would have to use in order to make this in dyesub. I much preferred the saturation and brightness of the coated Pantones for GMK in the context of the theme of this set.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | accent ISO enter added to base kit!
Post by: Complexsy on Tue, 21 September 2021, 19:59:06

Cool idea behind the set, really interesting colour scheme and I love the accent kits! GL with GB!

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | accent ISO enter added to base kit!
Post by: Mr Chrome on Tue, 21 September 2021, 21:46:44

Quote from: Dotnick on Tue, 21 September 2021, 14:42:55

I did think of dyesub for this set. But ultimately, I wasn't content with any of the uncoated Pantone colors I would have to use in order to make this in dyesub. I much preferred the saturation and brightness of the coated Pantones for GMK in the context of the theme of this set.

Fair enough. The vibrant colours do look really good here, especially on the mods! Good luck with GB!

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | accent ISO enter added to base kit!
Post by: Dotnick on Wed, 22 September 2021, 13:12:53

bump:

updated Singularity switch description with pictures and disclaimer about colorway.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | accent ISO enter added to base kit!
Post by: kiyoboard on Wed, 22 September 2021, 21:08:08

Colorway is not bad, but I don't think it is very interesting either. That said Chaos Alphas are very unique in my opinion and they are the thing that makes this set stand out. So, I kinda wish they were the base kit, or had separate base kit. With the current kiting, I would only be in if Chaos Alpha kit was cheap, which I doubt it will be.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | accent ISO enter added to base kit!
Post by: RoyalOak88 on Thu, 23 September 2021, 04:37:10

Agree with the Chaos Alphas being on the base kit. Those alphas make the set

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | accent ISO enter added to base kit!
Post by: Dotnick on Thu, 23 September 2021, 13:08:40

We have decided to make a second base kit for the chaos alphas. It is likely it will cost slightly more than the standard base kit because of the molds cost, I will do my best to work with the vendors on pricing for it.

I would agree with what people are saying here and on reddit/instagram/my discord server/my private messages. The chaos alphas seem to be the biggest draw for people at the moment. That's something I really didn't think would happen, I actually thought people wouldn't really like them. That was the thought that drove the decision to initially make them a child kit. But the overwhelming positive reaction on reddit, this thread, instagram, and my discord server has pointed to the decision to try and make it its own base kit. Putting myself in the shoes of someone buying this set, I would also much rather pay $115-125 if I could for chaos base kit than what would be $195. I think it will allow everyone to get what they want out of the set for less money.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | accent ISO enter added to base kit!
Post by: kiyoboard on Thu, 23 September 2021, 13:42:53

Quote from: Dotnick on Thu, 23 September 2021, 13:08:40

We have decided to make a second base kit for the chaos alphas. It is likely it will cost slightly more than the standard base kit because of the molds cost, I will do my best to work with the vendors on pricing for it.

I would agree with what people are saying here and on reddit/instagram/my discord server/my private messages. The chaos alphas seem to be the biggest draw for people at the moment. That's something I really didn't think would happen, I actually thought people wouldn't really like them. That was the thought that drove the decision to initially make them a child kit. But the overwhelming positive reaction on reddit, this thread, instagram, and my discord server has pointed to the decision to try and make it its own base kit. Putting myself in the shoes of someone buying this set, I would also much rather pay $115-125 if I could for chaos base kit than what would be $195. I think it will allow everyone to get what they want out of the set for less money.

In :D Jokes aside, thanks for listening this feedback and making this happen. Other than just being too expensive, I found myself almost never using one of the alpha kits, if there are 2. So, at that point it becomes not just expensive, it turns into wasted money for me. I will be grabbing Chaos base and novelties!

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | accent ISO enter added to base kit!
Post by: norb on Thu, 23 September 2021, 13:45:43

Quote from: Dotnick on Thu, 23 September 2021, 13:08:40

We have decided to make a second base kit for the chaos alphas. It is likely it will cost slightly more than the standard base kit because of the molds cost, I will do my best to work with the vendors on pricing for it.

I would agree with what people are saying here and on reddit/instagram/my discord server/my private messages. The chaos alphas seem to be the biggest draw for people at the moment. That's something I really didn't think would happen, I actually thought people wouldn't really like them. That was the thought that drove the decision to initially make them a child kit. But the overwhelming positive reaction on reddit, this thread, instagram, and my discord server has pointed to the decision to try and make it its own base kit. Putting myself in the shoes of someone buying this set, I would also much rather pay $115-125 if I could for chaos base kit than what would be $195. I think it will allow everyone to get what they want out of the set for less money.

great decision! looking forward to gb! :thumb: :thumb:

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | Second Base Kit!
Post by: kukkurovaca on Thu, 23 September 2021, 13:59:11

Definitely in favor of chaos alphas base kit!

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | Second Base Kit!
Post by: _rubik on Thu, 23 September 2021, 16:08:04

Quote from: kukkurovaca on Thu, 23 September 2021, 13:59:11

Definitely in favor of chaos alphas base kit!

Chaos base set took this from a ~maybe~ to a _hell yes_. Great decision Dotnick!

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | Second Base Kit!
Post by: ideus on Thu, 23 September 2021, 18:04:49

Would it be more cost-efficient to offer an only alpha "Order" kit instead of a full TKL one? or maybe a modular kitting with three kits: "Order," "Chaos," and Mods?

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | Second Base Kit!
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Thu, 23 September 2021, 18:40:56

Quote from: ideus on Thu, 23 September 2021, 18:04:49

Would it be more cost-efficient to offer an only alpha "Order" kit instead of a full TKL one? or maybe a modular kitting with three kits: "Order," "Chaos," and Mods?

the latter was tried with Oblotzky for Oblivion 2 for oblivion, hagoromo, oblv cadet, hag cadet alphas and then git, reg , and monochrome mods, with big numbers (at the time for the hobby) and after quotes...it didn't work. for those who might buy a few kits worth it might help but due to GMK's price drops with higher MOQ apparently it didn't make sense.

might be hard to interpret without Dotnick's IC data-while not formal on GH this was on discord a while

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | Second Base Kit!
Post by: Dotnick on Fri, 24 September 2021, 01:23:53

Monkeytype theme added!!

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Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | accent ISO enter added to base kit!
Post by: Fnzzy on Fri, 24 September 2021, 10:18:11

Quote from: Dotnick on Thu, 23 September 2021, 13:08:40

We have decided to make a second base kit for the chaos alphas. It is likely it will cost slightly more than the standard base kit because of the molds cost, I will do my best to work with the vendors on pricing for it.

I would agree with what people are saying here and on reddit/instagram/my discord server/my private messages. The chaos alphas seem to be the biggest draw for people at the moment. That's something I really didn't think would happen, I actually thought people wouldn't really like them. That was the thought that drove the decision to initially make them a child kit. But the overwhelming positive reaction on reddit, this thread, instagram, and my discord server has pointed to the decision to try and make it its own base kit. Putting myself in the shoes of someone buying this set, I would also much rather pay $115-125 if I could for chaos base kit than what would be $195. I think it will allow everyone to get what they want out of the set for less money.

damn, what a shame. Would've gotten the alphas but I am not buying two base kits just to get them. I would much rather pay $195 to have options instead of $250 to get the same options with a ton of unnecessary keys. I agree with the other suggestions. What would a separate normal alpha kit cost?

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | Monkeytype theme added!
Post by: slg1993 on Fri, 24 September 2021, 11:09:34

some of y'all will just never be satisfied, lol

nick has:

-included 3-key 40s support and basic alice support in base, as well as added accented iso, and is still getting yelled at about compatibility

-run a set with ridiculously vivid colors and is still being asked 'y not pbt??"

-listened to the majority of people asking for the chaos alphas to be a fully-fleshed out base kit, and now people are mad about that too

can't please all of the people all of the time, ofc, but jesus have some self-awareness and look at how responsive he's been to feedback. now I understand why oblotzky just stonewalls that ****, at least then it's only the SAME people whining to him lol

I guess, to play devil's advocate, because nick sorta skipped the IC thread and went straight to GB everyone is cramming to get their feedback in as quickly as possible, but still

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | Monkeytype theme added!
Post by: Fnzzy on Fri, 24 September 2021, 11:54:40

Quote from: slg1993 on Fri, 24 September 2021, 11:09:34

some of y'all will just never be satisfied, lol

nick has:

-listened to the majority of people asking for the chaos alphas to be a fully-fleshed out base kit, and now people are mad about that too

Can't speak to the other two points since I only found out about this set a day or two ago. I am not against a base kit with chaos alphas, I am disappointed that I am expected to buy two base kits at probably $120 a pop to get both, a normal base kit and a quirky novelty.

Quote from: slg1993 on Fri, 24 September 2021, 11:09:34

I guess, to play devil's advocate, because nick sorta skipped the IC thread and went straight to GB everyone is cramming to get their feedback in as quickly as possible, but still

I guess that's why people IC, if only to actually have pricing when opening a GB thread.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | Monkeytype theme added!
Post by: copper4eva on Fri, 24 September 2021, 16:29:45

Quote from: Dotnick on Sat, 18 September 2021, 09:37:48

Renders

618 by Zepsody

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What layout is this? Looks like exploded 1800 with left side function keys, which is awesome.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | Monkeytype theme added!
Post by: euphxenos on Fri, 24 September 2021, 17:27:51

I like the decision to offer a base kit with the reversed alphas. To me, that's the big draw of this set.

You said that some of the colors have been matched through other sets. Is the purple for the mods and alpha legends one that was already used in another set? If so, which one? I've been frustrated that lots of sets with a dark purple delivered something that was disappointingly close to black.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | Monkeytype theme added!
Post by: Dotnick on Fri, 24 September 2021, 19:06:22

Quote from: copper4eva on Fri, 24 September 2021, 16:29:45

Quote from: Dotnick on Sat, 18 September 2021, 09:37:48

Renders

618 by Zepsody

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/cqtqad0.jpg)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ioSCIii.jpg)

More
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(https://i.imgur.com/DY3ozkv.jpg)

What layout is this? Looks like exploded 1800 with left side function keys, which is awesome.

Hey so 618 is a new layout that we are calling "compact 1800XT"!

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫
Post by: FredNeverDead on Fri, 24 September 2021, 20:51:47

Quote from: Bachoo on Sat, 18 September 2021, 11:02:54

Quote from: Afresh on Sat, 18 September 2021, 10:55:49
Quote from: Bub on Sat, 18 September 2021, 10:46:35
Quote from: Dotnick on Sat, 18 September 2021, 10:43:05
Quote from: of_sam on Sat, 18 September 2021, 10:41:20
No.

Maybe
Mostly

Usually

conceivably

Yes? I think so

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | Monkeytype theme added!
Post by: copper4eva on Fri, 24 September 2021, 21:42:11

Quote from: Dotnick on Fri, 24 September 2021, 19:06:22

Hey so 618 is a new layout that we are calling "compact 1800XT"!

Cool, are there any keyboards with this layout yet? And what upcoming keyboards are gonna have it? Googling 618 keyboard or compact 1800XT doesn't yield anything for me.

I assume that the 618 is a keyboard that'll be released in the future. Very cool layout idea. A lot like the vintage Omnikey ultra, except more compact and no true nav cluster.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | Monkeytype theme added!
Post by: Dotnick on Fri, 24 September 2021, 21:51:08

Quote from: copper4eva on Fri, 24 September 2021, 21:42:11

Quote from: Dotnick on Fri, 24 September 2021, 19:06:22
Hey so 618 is a new layout that we are calling "compact 1800XT"!

Cool, are there any keyboards with this layout yet? And what upcoming keyboards are gonna have it? Googling 618 keyboard or compact 1800XT doesn't yield anything for me.

I assume that the 618 is a keyboard that'll be released in the future. Very cool layout idea. A lot like the vintage Omnikey ultra, except more compact and no true nav cluster.

There are no keyboards coming out soon with this exact layout besides 618, we will be receiving our second prototype soon, which shouldn't be more than a couple tweaks away from being final. So expect to see it sooner than you think!

What is interesting about the compact 1800XT layout we've come up with for 618 (has never been done before) is that it also functions as a compact full size XT because the four keys above the numpad with the two keys above the two macro columns can function as your six nav cluster keys. Seeing as though most keycap sets offer R1 versions of the nav cluster keys, this should be fairly easy to find in most sets. What will be a challenge is finding sets with extra keys to put on the macro columns.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | Monkeytype theme added!
Post by: -boxes- on Sat, 25 September 2021, 15:41:55

Whoa, this set just came out of nowhere ... but I am loving the chaos alphas and the novelties!! Didn't know I needed a Laplace keycap until now. And I thought I didn't have anything to buy in October......

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | More collaborations announced!
Post by: Dotnick on Wed, 29 September 2021, 22:08:17

Several new collaborations to announce:

PiterKiwi Keycaps
TinyMakesThings
PrimeCaps
LividityCaps

American Haptics workmat

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | More collaborations announced!
Post by: Evasive on Thu, 30 September 2021, 15:23:54

I really like the addition of the chaos basekit, having to buy a normal basekit + the chaos alphas kits would have been too expensive for me.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | HIBI collab + update to Keylabs collab!
Post by: Dotnick on Sat, 02 October 2021, 20:45:40

HIBI collaboration announced + modified Keylabs Crucible collaboration to include only the "chaos" option!

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | HIBI collab + update to Keylabs collab!
Post by: haystack on Sat, 02 October 2021, 22:27:31

Quote from: Dotnick on Sat, 02 October 2021, 20:45:40

HIBI collaboration announced + modified Keylabs Crucible collaboration to include only the "chaos" option!

A simple question from someone who has never joined a Discord ever and doesn't speak Australian: is Hibi just Rama's customization business with a new name, or something else? It would be reassuring to make this clear.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | HIBI collab + update to Keylabs collab
Post by: Dotnick on Sun, 03 October 2021, 17:04:37

HIBI is operated independently of RAMA by Kate, who was previously doing the cap collaborations for RAMA.

Basically it's the same caps, same person, different company name.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | HIBI collab + update to Keylabs collab
Post by: ryulinho on Tue, 05 October 2021, 22:17:53

I would have loved to have text on mods, and that text reversed as well in the Chaos set :P I would have bought that for sure.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | Pricing posted
Post by: Dotnick on Wed, 06 October 2021, 23:14:56

Pricing announced

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | Pricing posted
Post by: euphxenos on Thu, 07 October 2021, 01:41:37

I really like the Chaos base, but I just realized that in addition to the alphanumeric characters, the brackets, curly braces, angle brackets, and parentheses are also reversed. As a programmer, I might have to get both bases so I can get the normal keys for those. Not sure I can handle having those backwards. With most of the flipped characters, it looks like a flipped character, but when you flip those, you turn them into the character on a different, adjacent key. That's going to be interesting to type on.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | Pricing posted
Post by: s3vv4 on Thu, 07 October 2021, 03:07:21

Quote from: euphxenos on Thu, 07 October 2021, 01:41:37

I really like the Chaos base, but I just realized that in addition to the alphanumeric characters, the brackets, curly braces, angle brackets, and parentheses are also reversed. As a programmer, I might have to get both bases so I can get the normal keys for those. Not sure I can handle having those backwards. With most of the flipped characters, it looks like a flipped character, but when you flip those, you turn them into the character on a different, adjacent key. That's going to be interesting to type on.

brackets, curly & angle brackets can just be swapped out within the chaos base, or not?

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | Pricing posted
Post by: nvh2092 on Thu, 07 October 2021, 03:15:52

Quote from: euphxenos on Thu, 07 October 2021, 01:41:37

I really like the Chaos base, but I just realized that in addition to the alphanumeric characters, the brackets, curly braces, angle brackets, and parentheses are also reversed. As a programmer, I might have to get both bases so I can get the normal keys for those. Not sure I can handle having those backwards. With most of the flipped characters, it looks like a flipped character, but when you flip those, you turn them into the character on a different, adjacent key. That's going to be interesting to type on.

Get the normal base for your long term sanity

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | Pricing posted
Post by: andreiborisov on Thu, 07 October 2021, 05:36:02

Quote from: euphxenos on Thu, 07 October 2021, 01:41:37

I really like the Chaos base, but I just realized that in addition to the alphanumeric characters, the brackets, curly braces, angle brackets, and parentheses are also reversed. As a programmer, I might have to get both bases so I can get the normal keys for those. Not sure I can handle having those backwards. With most of the flipped characters, it looks like a flipped character, but when you flip those, you turn them into the character on a different, adjacent key. That's going to be interesting to type on.

Touch-typing?

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | Launches Oct. 8!
Post by: Dotnick on Thu, 07 October 2021, 12:39:08

iLumKB pricing posted for HIBI and Keylabs artisans, as well as the Singularity switches.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | LIVE
Post by: Dotnick on Thu, 07 October 2021, 23:58:12

SwitchKeys is live for the OCE community!!

https://www.switchkeys.com.au/products/gmk-chaos-theory
https://www.switchkeys.com.au/products/singularity-switches-gmk-chaos-theory-group-buy

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | LIVE
Post by: Dotnick on Fri, 08 October 2021, 07:22:36

Ashkeebs (CA), iLumkb (SEA), proto[Typist], KLC Playground (South Korea), and Zion Studios (PH) are all live!

https://www.ashkeebs.com/gmk-chaos-theory/
https://ilumkb.com/products/gmk-chaos-theory
https://prototypist.net/collections/gmk-chaos-theory
https://klc-playground.co.kr/?idx=13
https://zionstudios.ph/product/groupbuy-gmk-chaos-theory/

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | LIVE
Post by: Dotnick on Fri, 08 October 2021, 14:44:20

All vendors are live now!

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | All vendors live!
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Sat, 09 October 2021, 00:07:32

I don’t even remotely matter but if it’s not too much trouble could the dvorcol graph for the set have Chaos extending from right to left?

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | All vendors live!
Post by: copper4eva on Sat, 09 October 2021, 02:00:39

Cool to see that prices are live. Sorry if this has been specified somewhere, but what are the dimensions of the deskmats? I didn't see that info anywhere. I really like the butterfly effect one.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | All vendors live!
Post by: Dotnick on Sat, 09 October 2021, 10:06:56

Quote from: copper4eva on Sat, 09 October 2021, 02:00:39

Cool to see that prices are live. Sorry if this has been specified somewhere, but what are the dimensions of the deskmats? I didn't see that info anywhere. I really like the butterfly effect one.

The deskmats are 900x400x4mm !

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | All vendors live!
Post by: Jay_dez on Tue, 12 October 2021, 11:06:26

Can't wait till early 2023 lol. Seriously though, I got all kits except for the numpad and macros - I really like this set, great work and thank you!

Are you going to release the sale numbers? Would be pretty interesting to see. I could imagine that this set is super popular.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | All vendors live!
Post by: Dotnick on Wed, 13 October 2021, 14:28:13

Quote from: Jay_dez on Tue, 12 October 2021, 11:06:26

Can't wait till early 2023 lol. Seriously though, I got all kits except for the numpad and macros - I really like this set, great work and thank you!

Are you going to release the sale numbers? Would be pretty interesting to see. I could imagine that this set is super popular.

Thanks for the support! Will not be releasing numbers for this set, but things are moving along very nicely so far :thumb:

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | All vendors live!
Post by: Skok on Wed, 13 October 2021, 17:37:02

Quote from: Dotnick on Wed, 13 October 2021, 14:28:13

Thanks for the support! Will not be releasing numbers for this set, but things are moving along very nicely so far :thumb:

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | All vendors live!
Post by: SuddenlyDonkey on Thu, 14 October 2021, 23:00:38

Quote from: Dotnick on Wed, 13 October 2021, 14:28:13

Quote from: Jay_dez on Tue, 12 October 2021, 11:06:26
Can't wait till early 2023 lol. Seriously though, I got all kits except for the numpad and macros - I really like this set, great work and thank you!

Are you going to release the sale numbers? Would be pretty interesting to see. I could imagine that this set is super popular.

Thanks for the support! Will not be releasing numbers for this set, but things are moving along very nicely so far :thumb:

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | All vendors live!
Post by: Ella on Fri, 15 October 2021, 15:14:33

No numbers released, cringe

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | All vendors live!
Post by: jfc.umai on Fri, 15 October 2021, 17:17:35

$$$ n fomo

https://imgur.com/a/iSAF6Q6

Idk what that response gotta do with those expensive switches as a consumer.

“…Important to keep in mind.” ???

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | All vendors live!
Post by: digitalfrost on Sat, 16 October 2021, 13:18:52

I love this, but it's sad the NORDEUK keys don't come in a flipped chaos variant.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | All vendors live!
Post by: Adqam64 on Wed, 20 October 2021, 17:18:18

Quote from: digitalfrost on Sat, 16 October 2021, 13:18:52

I love this, but it's sad the NORDEUK keys don't come in a flipped chaos variant.

Same here - just pricing up my purchase and I've realised that I either have to buy the normal basekit or accept some keys are going to be back-to-front wrt the chaos base kit. Doubt that a flipped international kit would have made MOQ, however.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | All vendors live!
Post by: jellfreaks on Thu, 21 October 2021, 13:54:16

What was keyboard is the 618 keyboard by Zepsody? Is it really called 618? Or just name of the render? Sorry newbie

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | All vendors live!
Post by: slg1993 on Thu, 21 October 2021, 20:33:37

it's a board that doesn't exist yet and is still in the prototyping phase, and yeah it's called the 618

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | All vendors live!
Post by: lewisflude on Sat, 23 October 2021, 03:05:26

Honestly, a beautiful set with great execution

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | All vendors live!
Post by: robybert on Sat, 23 October 2021, 17:40:07

WOW nice set man, just ordered it.
what are the MOQ and is the GB confirmed to go into production?

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | All vendors live!
Post by: Dotnick on Wed, 27 October 2021, 12:10:33

Quote from: jellfreaks on Thu, 21 October 2021, 13:54:16

What was keyboard is the 618 keyboard by Zepsody? Is it really called 618? Or just name of the render? Sorry newbie

If you click on Zepsody's name, it will link you to his discord where you can get a lot more information and follow the 618 project.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | All vendors live!
Post by: spingo on Sun, 31 October 2021, 21:44:31

:-X Bruh,
I just ordered so many things from this group buy. I think I found my dream build.
I wish someone made a beautiful anodized keyboard case with a blue/pink/green multi-color effect like the artisan butterfly key cap.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | All vendors live!
Post by: Thockologist on Sat, 06 November 2021, 00:56:41

I know that it's hard to say given that GB is still open and it's fairly early but do you think there'd be a chance you'll consider a 2nd run if this one goes well?

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | GB Ends November 15th!
Post by: Dotnick on Sun, 07 November 2021, 19:50:08

GB ends Nov 15th!

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | GB Ends November 15th!
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Mon, 08 November 2021, 19:19:44

For USA buyers-the Mekibo page here still says closing today. What to make of that, unclear.

https://mekibo.com/collections/group-buy/products/gmk-chaos-theory-group-buy

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | GB Ends November 15th!
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Tue, 09 November 2021, 13:06:26

Never mind it’s updated to the 14th. Happy chaos!

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | Monkeytype theme added!
Post by: MistaTwist on Sun, 14 November 2021, 12:03:41

Quote from: Dotnick on Fri, 24 September 2021, 21:51:08

Quote from: copper4eva on Fri, 24 September 2021, 21:42:11
Quote from: Dotnick on Fri, 24 September 2021, 19:06:22
Hey so 618 is a new layout that we are calling "compact 1800XT"!

Cool, are there any keyboards with this layout yet? And what upcoming keyboards are gonna have it? Googling 618 keyboard or compact 1800XT doesn't yield anything for me.

I assume that the 618 is a keyboard that'll be released in the future. Very cool layout idea. A lot like the vintage Omnikey ultra, except more compact and no true nav cluster.

There are no keyboards coming out soon with this exact layout besides 618, we will be receiving our second prototype soon, which shouldn't be more than a couple tweaks away from being final. So expect to see it sooner than you think!

What is interesting about the compact 1800XT layout we've come up with for 618 (has never been done before) is that it also functions as a compact full size XT because the four keys above the numpad with the two keys above the two macro columns can function as your six nav cluster keys. Seeing as though most keycap sets offer R1 versions of the nav cluster keys, this should be fairly easy to find in most sets. What will be a challenge is finding sets with extra keys to put on the macro columns.

Is there somewhere I can follow the progress of this board layout please? I LOVE the look of this!

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | GB Ends November 15th!
Post by: euphxenos on Mon, 15 November 2021, 03:08:03

Did Mekibo close a day before the other vendors?

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | GB Ends November 15th!
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Mon, 15 November 2021, 11:28:55

Yes. To be fair to them, they had on their page they’d close on the 14th.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | GB Ends November 15th!
Post by: Lazy_Borzoi on Mon, 15 November 2021, 21:06:42

Wait, that's not fair. I was going by what this GH page said and now I can't place my order...

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | GB Ends November 15th!
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Mon, 15 November 2021, 22:35:16

Canada and AUS will add 10-15$. It’s not aftermarket. Also at least the second time Mekibo (previously TX) closed on a different day than the rest of the GB.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | GB Ends November 15th!
Post by: norb on Wed, 19 July 2023, 12:48:04

y'all got any more of them updates?

...plz?

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | GB Ends November 15th!
Post by: ppatches24 on Thu, 20 July 2023, 09:24:57

i was lost, ignore pls

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | GB Ends November 15th!
Post by: popkorn62 on Thu, 20 July 2023, 11:13:20

Quote from: norb on Wed, 19 July 2023, 12:48:04

y'all got any more of them updates?

...plz?

We are still in color-matching process. The samples (hopefully the last ones) are expected to be here in 2 weeks.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | GB Ends November 15th!
Post by: TyPo.mk on Thu, 20 July 2023, 12:14:54

Quote from: ppatches24 on Thu, 20 July 2023, 09:24:57

Quote from: norb on Wed, 19 July 2023, 12:48:04
y'all got any more of them updates?

...plz?

From Discord this morning.

pwade3: No IRL pics yet, I just paid the shipping invoice from SP yesterday though, so soon!

Buddy I think you’re lost

Title: Re: [GB] GMK Chaos Theory
Post by: Burt888 on Sat, 19 August 2023, 08:03:50

Quote from: Dotnick on Tue, 21 September 2021, 11:53:35

Quote from: konstantin on Tue, 21 September 2021, 11:35:24
Quote from: Dotnick on Mon, 20 September 2021, 19:27:27
bump for accent ISO enter addition to the base kit!

w/a these?
Quote from: konstantin on Sun, 19 September 2021, 21:33:28
2. Also consider changing the R3 1.75u Control key to use an icon legend.
This aids with visual consistency, as the text legend has a habit of looking out of place in the middle of icon mods (comparison (https://imgur.com/ngbaQa9), example in kit (https://i.imgur.com/4M23EGw)).

3. 6c centered stem is more common than 6c off-centered stem. I suggest changing it to the former.

won't be changing the r3 control key, but will be changing the 6U to centered.

:thumb:

Curious if the renders are all wrong or if the change to 6u Center was just forgotten/overlooked at the end

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | GB Ends November 15th!
Post by: godofdeath on Sat, 09 September 2023, 11:06:31

What's the latest for this?

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | GB Ends November 15th!
Post by: popkorn62 on Sat, 09 September 2023, 15:28:38

Quote from: godofdeath on Sat, 09 September 2023, 11:06:31

What's the latest for this?

We are still in color-matching process. There was some issues going on with the designer but we are only waiting on his approvals now (no more samples needed).

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | GB Ends November 15th!
Post by: digitalfrost on Wed, 24 January 2024, 12:04:35

Any news?

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | GB Ends November 15th!
Post by: quazikun on Wed, 24 January 2024, 12:24:45

Quote from: digitalfrost on Wed, 24 January 2024, 12:04:35

Any news?

I think it's shipping, I just got a notification from Mekibo with tracking for mine yesterday (US).

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | GB Ends November 15th!
Post by: rolecks on Wed, 24 January 2024, 20:55:44

(https://i.imgur.com/2IhSSH0.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/0ZfYnYp.png)

Thanks for the run, came out great. Wish I would have grabbed the mod kit too!

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | GB Ends November 15th!
Post by: mr_foggy on Thu, 25 January 2024, 12:30:06

OK it looks cool as ****. gotta snipe some extras.

Title: Re: [GB] 💫 GMK Chaos Theory 💫 | GB Ends November 15th!
Post by: popkorn62 on Tue, 06 February 2024, 16:20:21

Fulfillment for this set has finished. You can order extras here: https://mekibo.com/products/gmk-chaos-theory