[GB] TGR-Jane v2 CE (QC, Shipping) 99% completed

[brighenne]

Oh god that bottom right cluster looks so gross.

[Puddsy]

Split right-Shift on a winkeyless TKL

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for people who just refuse to say that 60% isn't a good layout

i hate it

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i'm banning you from my discord

[SixtyLife]

Split right-Shift on a winkeyless TKL

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for people who just refuse to say that 60% isn't a good layout

i hate it

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[Zacharius]

Split right-Shift on a winkeyless TKL

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for people who just refuse to say that 60% isn't a good layout

i hate it

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[Vigrith]

i'm banning you from my discord

perma

[Krakyn]

This has probably been asked before, but is there any chance that we'll see at hotswap Jane in the future? A man can dream...

[Jaxxstatic]

This has probably been asked before, but is there any chance that we'll see at hotswap Jane in the future? A man can dream...

please. no. please no.

[gabetjh]

This has probably been asked before, but is there any chance that we'll see at hotswap Jane in the future? A man can dream...

pls god no


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[Krakyn]

Why the disapproval? If you don't want hotswap doesn't mean that you should prevent others from getting what they like. You don't have to buy it.

Maybe if there was a hotswap version the group buy would sell out in 10 seconds instead of 2, and I might actually get to put an order in.

EDIT: Clearly people don't understand my last comment. The point is, I'm surely not the only one who wants hotswap. The demand exists, and no doubt max orders would be submitted just as quickly.

[Zacharius]

Why the disapproval? If don't want hotswap doesn't mean that you should prevent others from getting what they like. You don't have to buy it.

Maybe if there was a hotswap version the group buy would sell out in 10 seconds instead of 2, and I might actually get to put an order in.

It sells out in two seconds.. why cater to that group whenever it’s not like it’s struggling to sell?


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[Zacharius]

Why the disapproval? If you don't want hotswap doesn't mean that you should prevent others from getting what they like. You don't have to buy it.

Maybe if there was a hotswap version the group buy would sell out in 10 seconds instead of 2, and I might actually get to put an order in.

EDIT: Clearly people don't understand my last comment. The point is, I'm surely not the only one who wants hotswap. The demand exists, and no doubt max orders would be submitted just as quickly.

At the end of the day, it’s up to the seller of going through the trouble of providing hotswappable boards. I don’t really care for it, and turn it down wherever possible.

Not to say hotswap doesn’t have its benefits - I would just rather go through the entire process of building this type of high end board. It very well could change next group buy, but it feels like there is usually some effort from the organizer to not cause even more cost. If you want hotswap you very well could solder them on yourself if you want it, while leaving them off makes the others happy as well. 


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[jortzii]

Why the disapproval? If you don't want hotswap doesn't mean that you should prevent others from getting what they like. You don't have to buy it.

Maybe if there was a hotswap version the group buy would sell out in 10 seconds instead of 2, and I might actually get to put an order in.

EDIT: Clearly people don't understand my last comment. The point is, I'm surely not the only one who wants hotswap. The demand exists, and no doubt max orders would be submitted just as quickly.

Hotswap reduces the number of available layouts. You lose compatibility with it which means fewer options for the buyer.

If you really want it you could add millmax sockets or try to add your own hotswap.


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[Puddsy]

Why the disapproval? If you don't want hotswap doesn't mean that you should prevent others from getting what they like. You don't have to buy it.

Maybe if there was a hotswap version the group buy would sell out in 10 seconds instead of 2, and I might actually get to put an order in.

EDIT: Clearly people don't understand my last comment. The point is, I'm surely not the only one who wants hotswap. The demand exists, and no doubt max orders would be submitted just as quickly.

one thing i haven't seen mentioned is that hotswap sockets aren't exactly the most reliable things

[beamingrobot]

Why the disapproval? If you don't want hotswap doesn't mean that you should prevent others from getting what they like. You don't have to buy it.

Maybe if there was a hotswap version the group buy would sell out in 10 seconds instead of 2, and I might actually get to put an order in.

EDIT: Clearly people don't understand my last comment. The point is, I'm surely not the only one who wants hotswap. The demand exists, and no doubt max orders would be submitted just as quickly.

Just because you need training wheels with your bicycle doesn't mean the rest of us need to suffer with you. Hotswap sockets are notoriously unreliable and finicky to work with.

[Krakyn]

Thanks for those of you who actually provided some intelligent debate. Others not so much, and so this thread has proved very entertaining. I see there are a few stuck-up elitists among this crowd. I'd still like a hotswap option.

[Velvet_Crowe]

Thanks for those of you who actually provided some intelligent debate. Others not so much, and so this thread has proved very entertaining. I see there are a few stuck-up elitists among this crowd. I'd still like a hotswap option.

Disagreeing with you doesn't equal to elitism. It's not a debate, hotswap sockets are just plain bad

[superdoedoe]

Thanks for those of you who actually provided some intelligent debate. Others not so much, and so this thread has proved very entertaining. I see there are a few stuck-up elitists among this crowd. I'd still like a hotswap option.

Disagreeing with you doesn't equal to elitism. It's not a debate, hotswap sockets are just plain bad

+1

[packman86]

Split right-Shift on a winkeyless TKL

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for people who just refuse to say that 60% isn't a good layout

i hate it

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[superdoedoe]

This has probably been asked before, but is there any chance that we'll see at hotswap Jane in the future? A man can dream...

Could always buy it and make your own PCB. But no, I very much doubt TGR will have Hotswap boards anytime in the near future.

[dantambok]

Thanks for those of you who actually provided some intelligent debate. Others not so much, and so this thread has proved very entertaining. I see there are a few stuck-up elitists among this crowd. I'd still like a hotswap option.

Why would you want something that is bad

[Zacharius]

Thanks for those of you who actually provided some intelligent debate. Others not so much, and so this thread has proved very entertaining. I see there are a few stuck-up elitists among this crowd. I'd still like a hotswap option.

If you want hotswap, buy a RAMA. If you want a TGR, learn to solder.


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[gabetjh]

it’s like installing a subaru engine in a porsche


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[Zacharius]

it’s like installing a subaru engine in a porsche


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I’d that were the case they’d at least be reliable


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[Starston3]

it’s like installing a subaru engine in a porsche


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I’d that were the case they’d at least be reliable


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BTW this car engineer analogy really falls apart when you really think about it as this a Bootmaper, abandonware closed sourced software, PCB with mini USB port in 2019.

[xondat]

it’s like installing a subaru engine in a porsche


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I’d that were the case they’d at least be reliable


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BTW this car engineer analogy really falls apart when you really think about it as this a Bootmaper, abandonware closed sourced software, PCB with mini USB port in 2019.

It's like putting a Prius battery in an Aston Martin DB5 recreated in 2019.

[gabetjh]

it’s like installing a subaru engine in a porsche


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I’d that were the case they’d at least be reliable


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BTW this car engineer analogy really falls apart when you really think about it as this a Bootmaper, abandonware closed sourced software, PCB with mini USB port in 2019.

i heard that there might be changes in the PCB tho. or at least there’s hiney pcb


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[Starston3]

it’s like installing a subaru engine in a porsche


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I’d that were the case they’d at least be reliable


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BTW this car engineer analogy really falls apart when you really think about it as this a Bootmaper, abandonware closed sourced software, PCB with mini USB port in 2019.

i heard that there might be changes in the PCB tho. or at least there’s hiney pcb


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That PCB is for the next TGR board which might not fit this case.

[dantambok]

Bootmapper and USB Mini > Hotswap  )

[Krakyn]

Thanks for those of you who actually provided some intelligent debate. Others not so much, and so this thread has proved very entertaining. I see there are a few stuck-up elitists among this crowd. I'd still like a hotswap option.

Disagreeing with you doesn't equal to elitism. It's not a debate, hotswap sockets are just plain bad

I understand that disagreeing with me isn't elitism. Statements like "Just because you need training wheels with your bicycle doesn't mean the rest of us need to suffer with you" is. I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me, nor did I have a problem with anyone else's comments.

[mta]

Why the disapproval? If you don't want hotswap doesn't mean that you should prevent others from getting what they like. You don't have to buy it.

Maybe if there was a hotswap version the group buy would sell out in 10 seconds instead of 2, and I might actually get to put an order in.

People who spend $$$ on a keyboard are (for the most part) pretty deep into the hobby as it is. They already have a pretty good idea which switches they like and are typically well-accustomed to basic soldering / desoldering.

Hotswap sockets add extra hardware to the PCB, increases the cost, can limit layout support, and introduces potential unreliability issues. Sockets can also be trickier to troubleshoot when something goes wrong.

For a lot of people, it doesn't really make sense to splurge on a high-end board only to put switches into hotswap sockets.

I'm exaggerating here but it'd be like going to a three-star Michelin restaurant, ordering an expensive entree, and then asking if everything can be smothered with ketchup. Like, at that point you're sacrificing a big chunk of the quality you're paying for in the first place -- you may as well stick to something cheaper.

[Jaxxstatic]

I like bootmapper. I don't have to update. It doesn't have to connect to an online list of what it'll support if I want to change my layout.
I like USB-mini. No fried PCB.
For some, reliability is better than convenience and flashy features.
Because the flash and convenience are anything but when they fail.

[Warrenified]

I like bootmapper. I don't have to update. It doesn't have to connect to an online list of what it'll support if I want to change my layout.
I like USB-mini. No fried PCB.
For some, reliability is better than convenience and flashy features.
Because the flash and convenience are anything but when they fail.

This is exactly how I feel about BMC and USB-mini
Easy and reliable, and always appreciate it as an option!

[Puddsy]

Why the disapproval? If you don't want hotswap doesn't mean that you should prevent others from getting what they like. You don't have to buy it.

Maybe if there was a hotswap version the group buy would sell out in 10 seconds instead of 2, and I might actually get to put an order in.

People who spend $$$ on a keyboard are (for the most part) pretty deep into the hobby as it is. They already have a pretty good idea which switches they like and are typically well-accustomed to basic soldering / desoldering.

Hotswap sockets add extra hardware to the PCB, increases the cost, can limit layout support, and introduces potential unreliability issues. Sockets can also be trickier to troubleshoot when something goes wrong.

For a lot of people, it doesn't really make sense to splurge on a high-end board only to put switches into hotswap sockets.

I'm exaggerating here but it'd be like going to a three-star Michelin restaurant, ordering an expensive entree, and then asking if everything can be smothered with ketchup. Like, at that point you're sacrificing a big chunk of the quality you're paying for in the first place -- you may as well stick to something cheaper.

yeah exactly

people dropping this much cash on a keyboard should know what switches they want to put in it

[Vigrith]

If you want hotswap, buy a RAMA. If you want a TGR, learn to solder.

**** like this is probably why a lot of newer people still see this hobby as being heavily gate-kept. The dude didn't even ask for exclusive hotswap support, there have been plenty of boards of late (eg. Rama using your example with the seq2 for the m60, the Leaf 60, etc) that have offered a hotswappable PCB as an option for those that want one - is it too much RND and effort et al for very little potential yield with a board as high end as this or most TGRs? Yea. Does it warrant the ridiculous analogies and statements in general people have been making? Hardly.

i heard that there might be changes in the PCB tho. or at least there’s hiney pcb

Why would you type this to argue your point? I think it was fairly clearly stated that the potential new PCB is not until the next board and Hiney's PCB (at least the current/in production revisions) doesn't support the extra F13 that the 2CE has.

[gabetjh]

i heard that there might be changes in the PCB tho. or at least there’s hiney pcb

Why would you type this to argue your point? I think it was fairly clearly stated that the potential new PCB is not until the next board and Hiney's PCB (at least the current/in production revisions) doesn't support the extra F13 that the 2CE has.

i contacted yuktsi and he mentioned that Hiney will make another PCB for the CE. and chill i aint arguing

[Vigrith]

i contacted yuktsi and he mentioned that Hiney will make another PCB for the CE. and chill i aint arguing

Arguing a point doesn't necessarily carry negative connotation, I'm not sure what that last bit is meant to add to the argument. There's been like 15 posts over someone wanting hotswap support for a TGR keyboard, is there suddenly a problem and "chill" is required once there is any sort of disagreement rather than just piling against the guy that wants a Subaru engine inside his Porsche?

Is the fact you contacted Yuktsi and were told Hiney's making a PCB for the CE public knowledge, or been stated in here? If it has then disregard - I feel like that might've been a fairly relevant part of the statement, leaving it out seems strange. How are people supposed to know what you're referencing?

I'd rather have read about that than half a page of "hotswap sucks and if you like it you should feel bad because you're a pleb" personally (obviously this doesn't apply to the people who've actually posted educational information); I think it's cool Hiney's making a PCB just for this so that people don't have to be so worried about being able to source an F13 compatible one in the future in case anything goes wrong.

[gabetjh]

i contacted yuktsi and he mentioned that Hiney will make another PCB for the CE. and chill i aint arguing

Arguing a point doesn't necessarily carry negative connotation, I'm not sure what that last bit is meant to add to the argument. There's been like 15 posts over someone wanting hotswap support for a TGR keyboard, is there suddenly a problem and "chill" is required once there is any sort of disagreement rather than just piling against the guy that wants a Subaru engine inside his Porsche?

Is the fact you contacted Yuktsi and were told Hiney's making a PCB for the CE public knowledge, or been stated in here? If it has then disregard - I feel like that might've been a fairly relevant part of the statement, leaving it out seems strange. How are people supposed to know what you're referencing?

I'd rather have read about that than half a page of "hotswap sucks and if you like it you should feel bad because you're a pleb" personally (obviously this doesn't apply to the people who've actually posted educational information); I think it's cool Hiney's making a PCB just for this so that people don't have to be so worried about being able to source an F13 compatible one in the future in case anything goes wrong.

chill bro lol

[pr0ximity]

Is the fact you contacted Yuktsi and were told Hiney's making a PCB for the CE public knowledge, or been stated in here?

See attached from hiney's Discord

[actualglacier]

Made some super quick edits for the multi-color weight since there weren't many pictures of the option. Figured I'd post them here too.



I'm torn, I went with multi but the full black is sooo nice.

[SixtyLife]

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I'm torn, I went with multi but the full black is sooo nice.

loooove the multi. reminds me of the rainbow backplates on ibm model Fs

[FunTyme]

Made some super quick edits for the multi-color weight since there weren't many pictures of the option. Figured I'd post them here too.

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I'm torn, I went with multi but the full black is sooo nice.

Thank you for these edits 

I went with multi color on mine. You made the right choice 

[Zacharius]

I like bootmapper. I don't have to update. It doesn't have to connect to an online list of what it'll support if I want to change my layout.
I like USB-mini. No fried PCB.
For some, reliability is better than convenience and flashy features.
Because the flash and convenience are anything but when they fail.

This is exactly how I feel about BMC and USB-mini
Easy and reliable, and always appreciate it as an option!

Are USB-C PCBs frying because of type C ports? I haven't heard of this.

[Hadi]

I like bootmapper. I don't have to update. It doesn't have to connect to an online list of what it'll support if I want to change my layout.
I like USB-mini. No fried PCB.
For some, reliability is better than convenience and flashy features.
Because the flash and convenience are anything but when they fail.

This is exactly how I feel about BMC and USB-mini
Easy and reliable, and always appreciate it as an option!

Are USB-C PCBs frying because of type C ports? I haven't heard of this.

I haven't heard of this either, but he may be referring to the extra power capable of being drawn by USB-C. Regardless, all the extra pins should be grounded, so well designed PCBs with Type C ports have identical circuits to those with Mini and Micro USB.

[pr0ximity]

Made some super quick edits for the multi-color weight since there weren't many pictures of the option. Figured I'd post them here too.

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I'm torn, I went with multi but the full black is sooo nice.

Thank you for these edits 

I went with multi color on mine. You made the right choice 

+1, very good choice

[jariss]

Made some super quick edits for the multi-color weight since there weren't many pictures of the option. Figured I'd post them here too.

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I'm torn, I went with multi but the full black is sooo nice.

Multi looks so nice! Can't wait to see how they look in person.

[codykala]

Hi all, what's the easiest way to get in touch with Yuktsi? I purchased a GB spot from someone else and would like to confirm that the billing address on record is correct. I tried messaging Yuktsi on GH and Discord but haven't heard back yet. Any help would be appreciated

[superdoedoe]

Hi all, what's the easiest way to get in touch with Yuktsi? I purchased a GB spot from someone else and would like to confirm that the billing address on record is correct. I tried messaging Yuktsi on GH and Discord but haven't heard back yet. Any help would be appreciated

You poor soul. How many kidneys did you sell

[codykala]

Hi all, what's the easiest way to get in touch with Yuktsi? I purchased a GB spot from someone else and would like to confirm that the billing address on record is correct. I tried messaging Yuktsi on GH and Discord but haven't heard back yet. Any help would be appreciated

You poor soul. How many kidneys did you sell

Just one of them, thankfully. )

[Zambumon]

Hi all, what's the easiest way to get in touch with Yuktsi? I purchased a GB spot from someone else and would like to confirm that the billing address on record is correct. I tried messaging Yuktsi on GH and Discord but haven't heard back yet. Any help would be appreciated

[Zacharius]

Hi all, what's the easiest way to get in touch with Yuktsi? I purchased a GB spot from someone else and would like to confirm that the billing address on record is correct. I tried messaging Yuktsi on GH and Discord but haven't heard back yet. Any help would be appreciated

Brave soul considering what happened earlier in the thread.


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