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Offline dandruff

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[IC] ePBT Soju - GB APPROVED; LOCKED
« on: Sun, 04 October 2020, 08:50:37 »
For you ePBT haters... Banana-shaped spacebars are fixed (ePBT Cool Kids and ePBT Ivory are the evidence!)
Also I'm pretty late to the party with this but: INSTAGRAM


Hey everyone!

Welcome to the IC! This is officially my first public set design, so without further ado, may I present ePBT Soju!
Obviously, the set was inspired by the Korean alcoholic drink, Soju. With a positive relationship with my love for soju and a negative tolerance level for alcohol, I decided to pay homage to it.

ePBT Soju
Render by me (Leopold fc660m)


Colors:


Kits:

Initially, Version 1 (not my proudest work), included an accent color for most of the flavors; however, this would jack up the prices of the set and make it extremely expensive to produce.
Therefore, the two accents kit will be Green Grape and Peach.
If you do not like the original flavor and do not see your preference of flavor, it is likely that you have poor taste buds, but let’s hope that your tastebuds aren’t as poor as your eyesight  ;)
Also, the novelty in accent kits is intentional. I want people to either pick Peach or Green Grape.


Base Kit


Novelties


Green Grape Accent


Peach Accent


40s kit


International/ISO Kit

sorry scuffed picture

Numpad


Accent Spacebars


Alpha Spacebars



Renders:

Rendered on Pillow65


Rendered on Eclipse



Rendered on U80


Deskmats:

Original


       Peach                                                                                                                                 Green Grape

Deskmats designed by Shannie


THOK Cap:

 
It's a SOJU BOTTLE keyCAP!

Collaborations:
Luxecables - Cable
Alpha Keycaps - Artisan
Deagcaps - Artisan
Bowbie - Artisan
Shirouu - Artisan
Meof.caps - Artisan
CoconutCaps - Artisan
Melonkey - Artisan
SodieCaps - Artisan
Rathcaps - Artisan
A.X. Studios - Artisan
Archetype - Artisan
AmidstTheClouds - Artisan
CECE Caps - Artisan
Artkey Universe - Artisan
Shannie - Deskmat


Vendors:
USA: Kono
Canada: Deskhero.CA
Europe: Mykeyboard.eu
Rest of Asia: KBDFans
SEA: Monokei
Korea: MonstarGear
Oceania: DailyClack

Pricing:


GB Date:
January 29, 2021 - February 24, 2021


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Thanks to:
Ham
UstinJ
Shannie for deskmats
Hark for Renders (Hark#9242)
Zozain for Novelties
MechGroupBuy
Anyone else who may have helped



« Last Edit: Sun, 31 January 2021, 08:17:38 by dandruff »

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Re: [IC] JTK Soju
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 04 October 2020, 08:51:37 »
Nice looking set!

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Re: [IC] JTK Soju
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 04 October 2020, 08:54:38 »
very clean! love the idea of kits for different flavours.


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Re: [IC] JTK Soju
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 04 October 2020, 08:55:00 »
Interesting concept. I think it's so close to Royal Alpha that the main differentiators here are the sub-legends and novelties. Could be worth if that's your bag, but otherwise may be tough to compete.

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Re: [IC] JTK Soju
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 04 October 2020, 08:59:25 »
Oops, forgot to address this. After I made the concept, I was told about Royal Alpha. I personally contacted that designer to see if it was okay with them. I tried to make alphas more cream and greens different, but ultimately it does have the light alphas + green mods look

Like you said, I am trying to appeal to a different group with the new tripleshot hangul molds.
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Re: [IC] JTK Soju
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 04 October 2020, 09:28:58 »
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Re: [IC] JTK Soju
« Reply #6 on: Sun, 04 October 2020, 11:03:50 »
Triple shot in Hangul, that's what I want!

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Re: [IC] JTK Soju
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 04 October 2020, 11:47:21 »
Nice set :) I'm in w/ peach flavor accents.

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Re: [IC] JTK Soju
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 04 October 2020, 11:54:13 »
i dont drink but i like the colorway, good luck!

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Re: [IC] JTK Soju
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 04 October 2020, 12:50:58 »
Looking pretty tasty

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Re: [IC] JTK Soju
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 04 October 2020, 14:04:45 »
novelties are so cute >-<

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Re: [IC] JTK Soju
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 04 October 2020, 15:28:24 »
Hey everyone! Thanks for the comments and feedback.

Addressing a few concerns that I see coming up a lot:


1. Double consonants on Korean alphas - Unfortunately, this is not up to me. I did design this initially without incorporating them; however, the person that will be tracing the molds is set on the double consonants. Sorry! (BEING DISCUSSED CURRENTLY)

2. Already addressed in the IC, again, I can not make accents for every color; however, I do see that some people may want accents for ALL of the mods, if that's the case, it may be at the expense of being more expensive.

3. Non-hangul legends- depends on demand (but it will take away from the set overall with no longer needing tripleshot)

4. Set compatibility: NorDe and Ortho (and anything else) - Originally, the set was made with full compatibility; however, JTK asked me to cut down the set to match their previous runs. Sorry again here too, it's not up to me!

5. A lot of comments/feedback in full Korean- sorry, I'm not Korean, I'm an aspiring alcoholic  :(
« Last Edit: Sun, 04 October 2020, 15:46:52 by dandruff »

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Re: [IC] JTK Soju
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 04 October 2020, 16:55:19 »
One shot!!!  :p

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Re: [IC] JTK Soju
« Reply #14 on: Sun, 04 October 2020, 22:07:20 »
ive been looking for something like this for a loooooong time! defintiely in. :-*

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Re: [IC] JTK Soju
« Reply #15 on: Sun, 04 October 2020, 22:09:25 »
nice

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Re: [IC] JTK Soju
« Reply #16 on: Sun, 04 October 2020, 22:10:36 »
Looking good, def in for team grape

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Re: [IC] JTK Soju
« Reply #17 on: Sun, 04 October 2020, 22:55:57 »
I'm never going to financially recover from this

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Re: [IC] JTK Soju
« Reply #18 on: Sun, 04 October 2020, 23:51:41 »
love the novelties! GLWGB

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Re: [IC] JTK Soju
« Reply #19 on: Mon, 05 October 2020, 09:23:21 »
looking good dandruff! glws




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Re: [IC] JTK Soju
« Reply #20 on: Mon, 05 October 2020, 12:33:41 »
100% purchasing this!


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Re: [IC] JTK Soju
« Reply #21 on: Mon, 05 October 2020, 12:37:25 »
Are you thinking of collaborating with anyone to get a matching cable with this key set?

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Re: [IC] JTK Soju
« Reply #22 on: Mon, 05 October 2020, 12:43:39 »
This is amazing and I NEED IT. Can you post the signature link so we can add it for support across the forums?

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Re: [IC] JTK Soju
« Reply #23 on: Mon, 05 October 2020, 16:21:56 »
Are you thinking of collaborating with anyone to get a matching cable with this key set?

Updated the collab list!

This is amazing and I NEED IT. Can you post the signature link so we can add it for support across the forums?

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Re: [IC] JTK Soju - Updated Collaborations and IC Reflection
« Reply #24 on: Mon, 05 October 2020, 16:46:34 »
I NEED THIS IN MY LIFE!!!!!

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Re: [IC] JTK Soju - Updated Collaborations and IC Reflection
« Reply #25 on: Mon, 05 October 2020, 18:36:53 »
Not so convinced on 7741C, but otherwise very interested. The double consonants are kind of a nuisance, hope you get it resolved. good luck!

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Re: [IC] JTK Soju - Updated Collaborations and IC Reflection
« Reply #26 on: Tue, 06 October 2020, 05:32:49 »
Not so convinced on 7741C, but otherwise very interested. The double consonants are kind of a nuisance, hope you get it resolved. good luck!

Yeah, I'm trying to resolve the consonants. As for 7741C, it is slightly different in the physical Pantone book, and I'm afraid of going any darker so that it contrasts with the dark accents better. But thank you!


Also for everyone: I have updated 2 new renders (with more coming still)!


Rendered on Pillow65
Renders made by Hark
« Last Edit: Tue, 06 October 2020, 19:22:01 by dandruff »

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Re: [IC] JTK Soju - Updated Collaborations and New Render
« Reply #27 on: Tue, 06 October 2020, 15:57:08 »
looooveee this and now want to go out and buy soju.
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Re: [IC] JTK Soju - Updated Collaborations and New Render
« Reply #28 on: Tue, 06 October 2020, 16:30:47 »
Do you have an idea on what desk mats you're wanting to go for? I know I personally would love a peach themed one.

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Re: [IC] JTK Soju - Updated Collaborations and New Render
« Reply #29 on: Tue, 06 October 2020, 20:56:42 »
Do you have an idea on what desk mats you're wanting to go for? I know I personally would love a peach themed one.

As of now, I have a few ideas in my head to pick between, but nothing to jump on yet. I think I will get someone in graphics design or have worked with deskmats to help me out to ensure it turns out successful!

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Re: [IC] JTK Soju - Updated Collaborations and New Render
« Reply #30 on: Tue, 06 October 2020, 21:59:45 »
Just wanted to share my enthusiasm for this project. I've just talked with the designer of this set and they're incredibly excited to bring this set out to the community. Me and my teammates will be picking up this set when it goes live and I just want to say thanks for sharing the project with us.

I look forward to your next update and you have my team's support if you need it. This is a fun project and I'm glad you decided to create it!

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Re: [IC] JTK Soju - Updated Collaborations and New Render
« Reply #31 on: Wed, 07 October 2020, 12:01:44 »
Oo missed out on GMK Camping extras this might fill the spot for me

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Re: [IC] JTK Soju - Updated Collaborations and New Render
« Reply #32 on: Wed, 07 October 2020, 17:55:31 »
I quite like this! geonbae!

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Re: [IC] Soju - IMPORTANT UPDATE: NEW IC FORM (+renders)
« Reply #33 on: Fri, 09 October 2020, 06:11:41 »
Thank you for the support thus far, it truly means a lot!

VERY IMPORTANT FORM UPDATE FOR THOSE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN MY SET!
Please respond as it would help me out drastically.

https://forms.gle/acovYvJhqX9o46Kj7

Also, added renders made by Hark showing off the accents kit!




« Last Edit: Fri, 09 October 2020, 07:15:18 by dandruff »

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Re: [IC] JTK Soju - Updated Collaborations and New Render
« Reply #34 on: Fri, 09 October 2020, 13:52:32 »
Do you have an idea on what desk mats you're wanting to go for? I know I personally would love a peach themed one.
Seconding the peach theme! :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Soju - IMPORTANT UPDATE: NEW IC FORM
« Reply #35 on: Fri, 09 October 2020, 15:28:47 »
I think epbt is the way to go. They seem to be making a lot of effort to get better, and as cool as tripleshot is there's a lot of sets in the pipeline that are about to do it. I would hate to see this project go into a sort of "development hell" because you're unable to decide. You have some fantastic kitting and theming already, you're more than halfway there to getting it into people's hands. A set like this not seeing the light of day would be a real shame!

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Re: [IC] Soju - IMPORTANT UPDATE: NEW IC FORM
« Reply #36 on: Sat, 10 October 2020, 00:10:23 »
I still remember the first day you joined Keycap Designer with your all neon green colors  :p :p  :thumb:

This looks sooo good

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Re: [IC] Soju - IMPORTANT UPDATE: NEW IC FORM
« Reply #37 on: Sat, 10 October 2020, 13:20:16 »
For some reason this reminded me more of my favorite beer, Tsingtao lol instead of Soju. Really like this though! Very well designed! It's not often that I like louder greens lol. You are also very talented at renders!

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Re: [IC] Soju - IMPORTANT UPDATE: NEW IC FORM
« Reply #38 on: Sat, 10 October 2020, 18:05:48 »
Looks amazing Dandruff.  Excited to see it come to life and will be awaiting your GB for sure.

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Re: [IC] Soju - IMPORTANT UPDATE: NEW IC FORM
« Reply #39 on: Sat, 10 October 2020, 21:31:19 »
Looks fantastic mate. Big fan of the flavored accents. Well done.

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Re: [IC] Soju - IMPORTANT UPDATE: NEW IC FORM
« Reply #40 on: Sat, 10 October 2020, 23:06:10 »
Can we still get the sub legends on ePBT? I personally love sublegends and these go all the way with my love for Korean culture

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Re: [IC] Soju - IMPORTANT UPDATE: NEW IC FORM
« Reply #41 on: Sun, 11 October 2020, 00:48:10 »
First off, thank you EVERYONE for all of the comments and feedback. I really appreciate everything thus far. I will now address

Can we still get the sub legends on ePBT? I personally love sublegends and these go all the way with my love for Korean culture

-Regarding to this, yep! The point is that the sublegends will 100% be part of the final product. I do not intend on getting rid of them or making them a different color regardless of which manufacturer I go with.

  • Manufacturer?
    Pretty set on one, but I will update that soon when I get more details
  • Peach alpha? Peach mods? Peach sublegends?
    No, too many kits to handle and would be JTK/ePBT Peach than it would be JTK/ePBT Soju
  • Deskmat/RAMA?
    Planning for both to be made (100% confirmation on deskmat)
  • Non-hangul/latin?
    Maybe, personally, this may bring it to be too similar to Royal Alpha without any distinguishable factors
  • Hangul on number keys?
    No, that's like having "1" and "one" on the same key
  • Why not GMK?
    For Hangul to be green
  • WHERE IS MY FLAVOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???
    Adding another flavor will depend on what manufacturer I lied.
  • BUT WHAT ABOUT (       ) FLAVOR?
    No.
  • 40s kit?
    POSSIBLE WITH ePBT
  • And for my korean folks who want to remove the top hangul legend
    POSSIBLE WITH ePBT
Let me know if I missed anything crucial, and I'll edit in my response!

Pretty sure answering those questions gives you all a rough idea on the manufacturer I'm leaning with  ;)
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Re: [IC] Soju - Responded to feedback (announcing manufacturer soon)
« Reply #42 on: Sun, 11 October 2020, 22:03:38 »
First off, thank you EVERYONE for all of the comments and feedback. I really appreciate everything thus far. I will now address

Can we still get the sub legends on ePBT? I personally love sublegends and these go all the way with my love for Korean culture

-Regarding to this, yep! The point is that the sublegends will 100% be part of the final product. I do not intend on getting rid of them or making them a different color regardless of which manufacturer I go with.

  • Manufacturer?
    Pretty set on one, but I will update that soon when I get more details
  • Peach alpha? Peach mods? Peach sublegends?
    No, too many kits to handle and would be JTK/ePBT Peach than it would be JTK/ePBT Soju
  • Deskmat/RAMA?
    Planning for both to be made (100% confirmation on deskmat)
  • Non-hangul/latin?
    Maybe, personally, this may bring it to be too similar to Royal Alpha without any distinguishable factors
  • Hangul on number keys?
    No, that's like having "1" and "one" on the same key
  • Why not GMK?
    For Hangul to be green
  • WHERE IS MY FLAVOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???
    Adding another flavor will depend on what manufacturer I decide to go with (ePBT= I will CONSIDER (don't hold me against it) adding one flavor: Fresh)
  • BUT WHAT ABOUT (       ) FLAVOR?
    No.
  • 40s kit?
    POSSIBLE WITH ePBT
  • And for my korean folks who want to remove the top hangul legend
    POSSIBLE WITH ePBT
Let me know if I missed anything crucial, and I'll edit in my response!

Pretty sure answering those questions gives you all a rough idea on the manufacturer I'm leaning with  ;)

I'd like to thank you for being so vocal and communicating with us so efficiently. These are the most responses I've seen so far and it's awesome. I can't wait for the GB!

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Re: [IC] Soju - Responded to feedback (announcing manufacturer soon)
« Reply #43 on: Mon, 12 October 2020, 06:08:32 »
I’ve been looking to get a nice JTK set and this seems it!!

Personally I’d love to see a grapefruit kit, too!
OR if there’s an alternative mods set that’s a mix of peach and grapefruit colors together? It would look great with the green.

And I have a font suggestion for 소주 novelties, inspired from the Cham Iseul soju attached below.
It’d also look fire.

I was imagining a more mature novelty kit given the theme is 20+ (and venting the stresses of life :’)) like detailing the angles of the soju glass (also attached below), but it seems you are interested in a more playful version of the kit with facial expressions on the novelty icons.

I think it’d really depend on how you would develop the set, but if it’s going to be JTK running late next year or something like that, there would be room for many more people (and many of them being Koreans as the interest is definitely rising) to join the community and I think 3,000 may as well be possible!

For sure, the Koreans would love the soju font and the realistic soju glass I’d imagine.

Nice theme! Thanks for the IC!

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Re: [IC] Soju - Responded to feedback (announcing manufacturer soon)
« Reply #44 on: Tue, 13 October 2020, 17:52:24 »
Thanks for stopping by the 40s discord! Happy to help you out with any further kitting questions. I look forward to your continued development on this.  :cool:

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Re: [IC] Soju - Responded to feedback (announcing manufacturer soon)
« Reply #45 on: Tue, 13 October 2020, 20:08:45 »
Really like the idea behind this with the accent colors as flavors! Always wanted a nice Hangul set  :p

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - Updated Manufacturer, Kits, and Others!
« Reply #46 on: Sat, 17 October 2020, 19:22:56 »
I’ve been looking to get a nice JTK set and this seems it!!

Personally I’d love to see a grapefruit kit, too!
OR if there’s an alternative mods set that’s a mix of peach and grapefruit colors together? It would look great with the green.

And I have a font suggestion for 소주 novelties, inspired from the Cham Iseul soju attached below.
It’d also look fire.

I was imagining a more mature novelty kit given the theme is 20+ (and venting the stresses of life :’)) like detailing the angles of the soju glass (also attached below), but it seems you are interested in a more playful version of the kit with facial expressions on the novelty icons.

I think it’d really depend on how you would develop the set, but if it’s going to be JTK running late next year or something like that, there would be room for many more people (and many of them being Koreans as the interest is definitely rising) to join the community and I think 3,000 may as well be possible!

For sure, the Koreans would love the soju font and the realistic soju glass I’d imagine.

Nice theme! Thanks for the IC!

- Grapefruit will not happen, I'm sorry :(
- Font suggestion has been mentioned in feedback of IC, and has now been updated!
- As for mature vs cute novelties, for me, the appeal of the flavors is more cute than it is a mature alcoholic thing. I wanted to stay on theme overall, and I decided to take the cute approach. I am not considering changing novelties to a more realistic/mature feel.

- As for JTK and the rest of my IC...

Announcement:
ePBT will be the manufacturer.

Updated kits, collaboration, and other information announced (GB, reverse dye-sub, signature, etc.!)

As for flavors, sorry, I lied... There will still only be two.

Hopefully I didn't miss anything, but let me know.

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - Updated Manufacturer, Kits, and Others!
« Reply #47 on: Sat, 17 October 2020, 19:28:32 »
Was excited for JTK Soju. Now? Not so much. Never take the easy route


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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - Updated Manufacturer, Kits, and Others!
« Reply #48 on: Sat, 17 October 2020, 19:43:01 »
Was excited for JTK Soju. Now? Not so much. Never take the easy route


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Well, really quick... I want to address this.
1. What happens if my set sells 1000 of the 3000, and 3-4 designs failed to do the rest of the 2000? Becaues of other's designs, my set would not run.
2. ePBT allowed for a lot of the changes that people requested. For example, JTK would not allow me to remove the top hangul legends nor have a 40s kit.
3. It is not the issue of easy or not, it's the reassurance that my set will be able to run and if it fails, it'll be on me and not factors that I had no control over.
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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - Updated Manufacturer, Kits, and Others!
« Reply #49 on: Sat, 17 October 2020, 19:50:34 »
Was excited for JTK Soju. Now? Not so much. Never take the easy route


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Well, really quick... I want to address this.
1. What happens if my set sold 1000 of the 3000, and 3-4 designs failed to do the rest of the 2000? Becaues of other's designs, my set would not run.
2. ePBT allowed for a lot of the changes that people requested. For example, JTK would not allow me to remove the top hangul legends nor have a 40s kit.
3. It is not the issue of easy or not, it's the reassurance that my set will be able to run and if it fails, it'll be on me and not factors that I had no control over.
1. Based off of previous and upcoming sets, it’s pretty easy to get a general consensus of what people like and buy. Maybe communicating with other creators and brainstorming what could fill that 2000 margin?
2. On the other hand, a lot of people like myself think the Hangul sublegends looked great on this set. Really great!
3. Why would it be better to fail on your own, rather than trying to put out a top quality product that could be centerpieces to a lot of people’s collections? Maybe it’s just an opinion thing.
Oh and are there still Peach F Keys? I saw a render with them but didn’t see them in the kits


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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - Updated Manufacturer, Kits, and Others!
« Reply #50 on: Sat, 17 October 2020, 20:05:42 »
Was excited for JTK Soju. Now? Not so much. Never take the easy route


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Well, really quick... I want to address this.
1. What happens if my set sold 1000 of the 3000, and 3-4 designs failed to do the rest of the 2000? Becaues of other's designs, my set would not run.
2. ePBT allowed for a lot of the changes that people requested. For example, JTK would not allow me to remove the top hangul legends nor have a 40s kit.
3. It is not the issue of easy or not, it's the reassurance that my set will be able to run and if it fails, it'll be on me and not factors that I had no control over.
1. Based off of previous and upcoming sets, it’s pretty easy to get a general consensus of what people like and buy. Maybe communicating with other creators and brainstorming what could fill that 2000 margin?
2. On the other hand, a lot of people like myself think the Hangul sublegends looked great on this set. Really great!
3. Why would it be better to fail on your own, rather than trying to put out a top quality product that could be centerpieces to a lot of people’s collections? Maybe it’s just an opinion thing.
Oh and are there still Peach F Keys? I saw a render with them but didn’t see them in the kits


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Well I'm not a huge fan of constantly bumping up my own thread, so I apologize!
Anyways...
1. Finding designers who want to work with JTK tripleshot Hangul is not as easy as you think. I do not have a say in their designs. Realistically, I can wait until maybe 5-6 designs are up and we easily reach the 3000; however, that will push back manufacturing time to probably late 2022, and GB run mid 2021. Personally, for my first set, that is quite absurd.
2. Hangul sublegends are still there, but I had a ton of feedback on removing the top sublegends on the keys due to cluster and most Koreans not preferring it. Realistically, my original design did not include the top sublegends as I agree with them; however, JTK molds restricted me to include them.
3. What makes ePBT not as "high quality" as JTK? I'd argue it's much more popular and can still be part of people's collections... This is definitely an opinion thing as the feedback I received on my 2nd IC form resulted in this:

If majority of the people preferred JTK, I would not have switched it. IC forms are there for a reason.


And the F-keys as in F5-F8 are still there in the accent kits, top row.


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« Reply #51 on: Sat, 17 October 2020, 20:24:24 »
The 40s kit is looking really great now with the rework! GLWIC!

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« Reply #52 on: Sat, 17 October 2020, 20:25:53 »
Either way, good job on the set! It’s just a shame, is all.


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« Reply #53 on: Sat, 17 October 2020, 20:44:03 »
Def joining!! Peach kit just too cute

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« Reply #54 on: Sat, 17 October 2020, 23:06:20 »
Dandruff <3 Congrats on settling on a manufacturer. Good luck!

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« Reply #55 on: Sun, 18 October 2020, 00:28:20 »
Disappointed this went ePBT. I won't be joining then, but good luck with IC and GB

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« Reply #56 on: Sun, 18 October 2020, 00:43:08 »
Really digging this set, love it. I'm in.

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« Reply #57 on: Sun, 18 October 2020, 06:14:41 »
Looking forward to this, glad to see more ePBT sets.
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« Reply #58 on: Sun, 18 October 2020, 06:22:07 »
Looks hot would only like to see the peach accents have the lighter shade of green rather than the dark owo

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« Reply #59 on: Sun, 18 October 2020, 06:47:14 »
JTK honestly would be a far better choice, ePBT hasn't been too interesting tbh

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« Reply #60 on: Sun, 18 October 2020, 21:40:30 »
I think it's a great set and ePBT is fine. I'm not sure why everyone is making a point of letting you know they don't like it. It's literally kinder and easier to just move on and not put a set down.

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« Reply #61 on: Sun, 18 October 2020, 23:05:06 »
love this set,, i'm in this for sure! makes me thirsty for some soju..
also, soju Sirius hype :3

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« Reply #62 on: Mon, 19 October 2020, 05:20:03 »
Looks hot would only like to see the peach accents have the lighter shade of green rather than the dark owo

Regarding this change, this was definitely taken into consideration, but ultimately, I decided that the dark green looks much better as an accents kit. If I explored the route of having more kits that were oriented around the peach colorway (alphas/mods), I would have went with this; however, as an accent, I decided to ultimately stick with the dark green to have the accent pop out more.

I think it's a great set and ePBT is fine. I'm not sure why everyone is making a point of letting you know they don't like it. It's literally kinder and easier to just move on and not put a set down.

Yeah, based off of the results I got on the form, I am hoping this change will attract more eyes than it is deterring people from it. Based on the results it seemed that ePBT was heavily favored...(Also the signature updated!)

Thank you everyone so far. The support and feedback has been amazing. Also, yeah I’m very excited for all of my collaborations!


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« Reply #63 on: Tue, 20 October 2020, 09:22:25 »
Looks great. I really love the peach kit. I'll be waiting for this set.

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« Reply #64 on: Tue, 20 October 2020, 12:28:56 »
Want

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« Reply #65 on: Tue, 20 October 2020, 15:32:00 »

2. Hangul sublegends are still there, but I had a ton of feedback on removing the top sublegends on the keys due to cluster and most Koreans not preferring it. Realistically, my original design did not include the top sublegends as I agree with them; however, JTK molds restricted me to include them.

Hey I was just curious, but is there any more info on most Koreans not preferring the superlegends?
Like, was this feedback collected in a separate form given to the Korean mechanical keyboard community or was this from an open discussion elsewhere?

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« Reply #66 on: Tue, 20 October 2020, 19:45:26 »
Hey I was just curious, but is there any more info on most Koreans not preferring the superlegends?
Like, was this feedback collected in a separate form given to the Korean mechanical keyboard community or was this from an open discussion elsewhere?

Hey! So pre-IC, I had a few people who knew about it reach out to me to remove it after I added it. When IC started, my first IC form had a very large amount of people provide feedback on removing them (even though I addressed I couldn't). On my 2nd IC form, I was spammed with feedback regarding those legends again. Afterward, I asked vendors/Hangul users in the hobby on their thoughts on it, and in the end, it seems that it was a make-or-break for some Koreans or Hangul enthusiasts whilst not being make-or-break for others.

As someone who does not use Hangul, it seemed right to respond to their feedback in this way.

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« Reply #67 on: Wed, 21 October 2020, 02:14:11 »
I don't like green but the render looks AMAZING!
Good Job guys

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« Reply #68 on: Wed, 21 October 2020, 03:46:44 »
So nice, but group buy date too long

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« Reply #69 on: Wed, 21 October 2020, 05:36:14 »
GL, Dandruff! Looking forward to actually buy this set!

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« Reply #70 on: Thu, 22 October 2020, 06:37:11 »
Will be picking this up, hopefully there is a r2 one day with grapefruit. Would of been interesting to see responses in an IC on peoples favourite flavour/mod colour.

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« Reply #71 on: Thu, 22 October 2020, 06:47:03 »
GL, Dandruff! Looking forward to actually buy this set!

Thank youuuu this means a ton! Already count me in for maestro!

Will be picking this up, hopefully there is a r2 one day with grapefruit. Would of been interesting to see responses in an IC on peoples favourite flavour/mod colour.

Yeah, so when I first designed it, I had all the flavors, but obviously it wasn’t reasonable either due to manu cost or MOQ for each one. Green Grape is my favorite flavor, and Peach seemingly was the most popular overall. Flavors that I considered in the running were grapefruit, Yakult, and Fresh, but ultimately settled with 2 accents. If the run goes well, I will most definitely consider a R2!


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« Reply #72 on: Thu, 22 October 2020, 07:59:52 »
Great looking set, but EPBT makes it a no for me.

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« Reply #73 on: Thu, 22 October 2020, 08:20:23 »
Great looking set, but EPBT makes it a no for me.
1) If it's a no then you don't really have to make a point of saying it.
2) Why do you not like ePBT? Many people seem to be GMK or nothing which only serves to make the hobby less approachable.

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« Reply #74 on: Thu, 22 October 2020, 09:00:24 »
Great looking set, but EPBT makes it a no for me.
1) If it's a no then you don't really have to make a point of saying it.
2) Why do you not like ePBT? Many people seem to be GMK or nothing which only serves to make the hobby less approachable.

1) I do have to make a point of saying it, it's important that you know you're losing potential buyers for going with epbt
2) Recent epbt sets have suffered from egregious warping issues to the point where their 1u caps were warped. I wasn't suggesting that the set should be GMK, but I wouldn't buy anything epbt right now and many other feel the same way. It would be a buy for me if it was infinikey.

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« Reply #75 on: Thu, 22 October 2020, 10:45:09 »
1) I do have to make a point of saying it, it's important that you know you're losing potential buyers for going with epbt
2) Recent epbt sets have suffered from egregious warping issues to the point where their 1u caps were warped. I wasn't suggesting that the set should be GMK, but I wouldn't buy anything epbt right now and many other feel the same way. It would be a buy for me if it was infinikey.
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I suppose that makes sense. Why is Infinikey so trusted?

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« Reply #76 on: Thu, 22 October 2020, 11:30:40 »
Great looking set, but EPBT makes it a no for me.
1) If it's a no then you don't really have to make a point of saying it.
2) Why do you not like ePBT? Many people seem to be GMK or nothing which only serves to make the hobby less approachable.

1) I do have to make a point of saying it, it's important that you know you're losing potential buyers for going with epbt
2) Recent epbt sets have suffered from egregious warping issues to the point where their 1u caps were warped. I wasn't suggesting that the set should be GMK, but I wouldn't buy anything epbt right now and many other feel the same way. It would be a buy for me if it was infinikey.
Although I/they may be wrong, if warping is the main issue why ePBT is driven away, I contacted them and obviously there’s a chance of it’s just PR, but they said warping should be fixed from Ivory and on. So when Ivory fully ships, we’ll all see if warping is an issue! If it is true, it’ll be very reassuring for me.

Also, based on the results I got, it does seem that going with JTK would have encouraged less buyers than ePBT would. So regardless of which manufacturer I went with, I’d be technically “losing” buyers. Impossible to please everyone.


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« Reply #77 on: Thu, 22 October 2020, 11:39:43 »
1) I do have to make a point of saying it, it's important that you know you're losing potential buyers for going with epbt
2) Recent epbt sets have suffered from egregious warping issues to the point where their 1u caps were warped. I wasn't suggesting that the set should be GMK, but I wouldn't buy anything epbt right now and many other feel the same way. It would be a buy for me if it was infinikey.

I suppose that makes sense. Why is Infinikey so trusted?
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It's not that they're so trusted, it's that epbt has been so **** lately.

Great looking set, but EPBT makes it a no for me.
1) If it's a no then you don't really have to make a point of saying it.
2) Why do you not like ePBT? Many people seem to be GMK or nothing which only serves to make the hobby less approachable.

1) I do have to make a point of saying it, it's important that you know you're losing potential buyers for going with epbt
2) Recent epbt sets have suffered from egregious warping issues to the point where their 1u caps were warped. I wasn't suggesting that the set should be GMK, but I wouldn't buy anything epbt right now and many other feel the same way. It would be a buy for me if it was infinikey.
Although I/they may be wrong, if warping is the main issue why ePBT is driven away, I contacted them and obviously there’s a chance of it’s just PR, but they said warping should be fixed from Ivory and on. So when Ivory fully ships, we’ll all see if warping is an issue! If it is true, it’ll be very reassuring for me.

Also, based on the results I got, it does seem that going with JTK would have encouraged less buyers than ePBT would. So regardless of which manufacturer I went with, I’d be technically “losing” buyers. Impossible to please everyone.


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The last I saw from them they were telling people that they got new molds for their mods not even realizing that their 1u keys were warping as well. It would be great if they did actually fix their issues, but I'd have to see it for myself to purchase any epbt.

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« Reply #78 on: Thu, 22 October 2020, 11:48:24 »
The last I saw from them they were telling people that they got new molds for their mods not even realizing that their 1u keys were warping as well. It would be great if they did actually fix their issues, but I'd have to see it for myself to purchase any epbt.

As far as I’m concerned from my conversation with them and what I said, their newest molds will be apparent in Ivory which hasn’t shipped yet, right? How can you be so set on their warping on something that hasn’t been in-hand. But I guess we’ll both see! Hopefully the production of the next few ePBT sets come out successful to help you give ePBT another chance!

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« Reply #79 on: Fri, 23 October 2020, 17:07:59 »
dandruff!! love the novelties, the colour scheme will look really great for the artisan/deskmat collabs. glwgb!

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« Reply #80 on: Sat, 24 October 2020, 02:43:53 »
any possibility for colemak kit?

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« Reply #81 on: Sat, 24 October 2020, 06:29:09 »
any possibility for colemak kit?

Likely not due to this set's theme of Soju, hangul in Colemak layout simple does not exist (to my knowledge), and Colemak Latin legends alone would end up disregarding the sublegend idea. Also out of all the responses I received for IC, the demand is not there; I believe your comment was the first to ask for it :(. Sorryyy

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« Reply #82 on: Fri, 30 October 2020, 13:51:29 »
Excited. Cant wait for this to run.

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« Reply #83 on: Fri, 30 October 2020, 17:55:23 »
Just want to say gluck w/ this set! seems like a fun set.

regarding epbt vs infinikey.. they are quite similar. It'll be hit or miss regarding warped keys. You may just have to communicate better on how QC is done and do it yourself

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« Reply #84 on: Mon, 02 November 2020, 15:27:08 »
Super excited for this set! As a Korean I need more hangul sets in my life.

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« Reply #85 on: Mon, 02 November 2020, 16:05:40 »
I see a 40s kit & love the colors; definitely interested!!!


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« Reply #86 on: Fri, 06 November 2020, 13:45:22 »
Oh god this is beautiful, take my money!

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« Reply #87 on: Tue, 10 November 2020, 00:16:57 »
Just wanted to say I really love the colours on this set! The theme is cool too. I've never experienced ePBT before as I'm very new to the hobby but im down to give them a try. Count me in! I'll be joining the GB  :thumb:

Nice work!

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« Reply #88 on: Fri, 13 November 2020, 09:23:44 »
Do you have renders of the desk mat yet?

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« Reply #89 on: Sat, 14 November 2020, 04:30:16 »
I love soju <3 this is great

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« Reply #90 on: Tue, 17 November 2020, 19:21:06 »
I never thought I'd say this but the shot glasses are so cute how can you not love it

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« Reply #91 on: Tue, 17 November 2020, 21:01:27 »
Definitely in for this kit, so glad to see canadian vendors for this GB.

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« Reply #92 on: Wed, 18 November 2020, 16:31:56 »
Only just realized the grapes have faces

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« Reply #93 on: Thu, 19 November 2020, 03:59:40 »
I like yogurt soju! really like the peach accents
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« Reply #94 on: Tue, 24 November 2020, 02:13:50 »
I can't wait .. the peach accent looks amazing.

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« Reply #95 on: Sat, 28 November 2020, 06:49:38 »
Yes! I'll take two please :)

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - Updated Renders, Collabs, Kits, and New News
« Reply #96 on: Thu, 10 December 2020, 22:17:37 »
What's new?
1. Novelties kit now has a few more keys to fill out bottom row for WKL! (https://i.imgur.com/klEvLQ2.jpg)
2. International kit! (https://i.imgur.com/iTAArfg.png)
3. Collabs/renders updated (go back to page 1!)
4. Deskmat is postponed (sorry). There were issues regarding my first deskmat designer and a vendor, so I apologize for the delay on the deskmats. The new designer will be Shannie! (Illustrated weight design for Cloudline)
5. I will be exploring THOK for my metal cap. (https://thok.click/)
6. For GB date confirmation, I am just waiting until ePBT finalizes reverse dye-sub technology for their ePBT Samurai set. As soon as they confirm that it is working, the GB date will be finalized.

Sorry again for the delay on the metal cap and deskmats! Renders of them will be up as soon as possible!!!
Been busy, I did not mean to ghost my IC  :'(

And added in to the beginning of my IC
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« Reply #97 on: Thu, 10 December 2020, 22:31:02 »
love this

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« Reply #98 on: Thu, 17 December 2020, 15:56:22 »
Stoked for this set!  Can't wait!

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - GB DATE CONFIRMED!
« Reply #99 on: Thu, 24 December 2020, 04:05:46 »
REALLY short but MASSIVE UPDATE:

GB DATE IS CONFIRMED FOR:
January 29th, 2021 - February 24th, 2021

Last few things to do:
- Wait for the metal cap to be done (by end of the year) [almost done!]
- Wait for deskmat designs (early January) [due to designer switch]
- Get cost from manufacturer (calculating rn, so should be soon)
- Get samples to confirm colors (in progress but may take a while)

Oh, also might as well finally start using Instagram for publicity... maybe I should've started a bit earlier with updates and such, but for future designs and/or other things: Instagram: Dandruffkb

THANK YOU AGAIN AND HAPPY HOLIDAYS
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« Reply #100 on: Thu, 24 December 2020, 16:06:11 »
following.. curious about that deskmat

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« Reply #101 on: Thu, 24 December 2020, 17:04:56 »
Yassssssss dandruff. Good luck with GB my friend! You deserve this so much.

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« Reply #102 on: Thu, 24 December 2020, 18:34:58 »
A very nice looking green this set has. Good luck and early congratulations! Happy holidays!

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« Reply #103 on: Fri, 25 December 2020, 13:08:46 »
following.. curious about that deskmat

Why not the metal cap... simp...

Yassssssss dandruff. Good luck with GB my friend! You deserve this so much.

Thank youuuu, means a ton! Hope I make you proud ^-^

A very nice looking green this set has. Good luck and early congratulations! Happy holidays!

Thank you and same to you! Happy holidays  :)




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« Reply #104 on: Thu, 07 January 2021, 14:41:02 »
Very nice and i love the green, but i have one uestion about the "white" keys. Which render shows the right color for the light keycaps better?

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« Reply #105 on: Thu, 07 January 2021, 15:00:22 »
So what are the prices since the GB is confirmed?

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - GB DATE CONFIRMED!
« Reply #106 on: Thu, 07 January 2021, 15:01:34 »
really nice 40s kit. Looking forward to this set

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - GB DATE CONFIRMED!
« Reply #107 on: Thu, 07 January 2021, 18:56:11 »
Also very minor update on timing:
-Metal Cap: a tad later than expected due to machining issues on original idea
-Deskmat design: coming earlier than expected (will release very soon)


So what are the prices since the GB is confirmed?

It was supposed to be ready last week, but with New Year and the holidays, it is a tad delayed. Still working on getting those quotes and working with vendors. Should be in soon though!

really nice 40s kit. Looking forward to this set

Thank you! Never used a 40% before and probably won't ever, but with ePBT kitting, I figured it was a waste not to try and add.

Very nice and i love the green, but i have one question about the "white" keys. Which render shows the right color for the light keycaps better?

I would say it's closest to the darker U80 render (top-down view). The main render with the fireplace has warm light reflecting in that one, and the Eclipse render/kit renders have a harsh white light on it. If you have GMK Cafe or knows what that set looks like, it SHOULD be the same color as the alphas (given it is a GMK color and it is being color matched by ePBT), but from my knowledge, recent ePBT sets have color-matched relatively well.

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - DESKMATS ARE IN!
« Reply #108 on: Sun, 10 January 2021, 22:24:31 »
Deskmats are in! Shannie did an amazing job!





Now waiting for:
-THOK metal cap (estimating to be announced in a week)
-pricing/quotes (unsure on when)
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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - DESKMATS ARE IN!
« Reply #109 on: Sun, 10 January 2021, 22:25:47 »
peach slaps

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - DESKMATS ARE IN!
« Reply #110 on: Sun, 10 January 2021, 23:26:33 »
Deskmats are really nice


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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - DESKMATS ARE IN!
« Reply #111 on: Wed, 13 January 2021, 02:15:03 »
Made an account just to say nice work! Good PBT manu + soju + Hangul? Count me in! Grape for flavor but peach for the keycaps though  :) can’t wait to see the price and THOK cap!

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - THOK CAP/DESKMATS ARE IN!
« Reply #112 on: Thu, 14 January 2021, 00:35:14 »
THOK Metal Cap (literally) is done!
THOK Soju Cap:

 
It's a SOJU BOTTLE keyCAP!
« Last Edit: Fri, 15 January 2021, 01:41:24 by dandruff »

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - THOK CAP/DESKMATS ARE IN!
« Reply #113 on: Thu, 14 January 2021, 10:48:48 »
THOK Metal Cap (literally) is done!
THOK Soju Cap:
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It's a SOJU BOTTLE keyCAP!

the first image is broken for me, the second one I can see and looks AMAZING!!!!
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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - THOK CAP/DESKMATS ARE IN!
« Reply #114 on: Thu, 14 January 2021, 18:54:40 »
Awesome Thok

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - THOK CAP/DESKMATS ARE IN!
« Reply #115 on: Fri, 15 January 2021, 00:04:27 »
Great job with the THOK cap! That was genius

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - THOK CAP/DESKMATS ARE IN!
« Reply #116 on: Fri, 15 January 2021, 01:44:20 »
THOK Metal Cap (literally) is done!
THOK Soju Cap:
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It's a SOJU BOTTLE keyCAP!

the first image is broken for me, the second one I can see and looks AMAZING!!!!

Thank you for letting me know! It should be fixed! THOK and his machinist surprisingly made it work despite how insane that looks to manufacture! They did an amazing job and hugeee props to them  :D

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - THOK CAP/DESKMATS ARE IN!
« Reply #117 on: Fri, 22 January 2021, 03:36:04 »
I cannot wait to buy this. My wallet will not be happy.

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - THOK CAP/DESKMATS ARE IN!
« Reply #118 on: Fri, 22 January 2021, 09:47:20 »
Same. I'm just waiting for price release so I know exactly how much I'm going to cry

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - THOK CAP/DESKMATS ARE IN!
« Reply #119 on: Fri, 22 January 2021, 10:16:08 »
Where’s the end of the cap that I can twist and flip with my finger. I want to throw up when looking at this set, so well done!

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - THOK CAP/DESKMATS ARE IN!
« Reply #120 on: Fri, 22 January 2021, 17:59:08 »
I was already 100% in on this. I am now 200% in on this.

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - THOK CAP/DESKMATS ARE IN!
« Reply #121 on: Fri, 22 January 2021, 18:34:12 »
Where’s the end of the cap that I can twist and flip with my finger. I want to throw up when looking at this set, so well done!

I already flicked that part off for you, sorry :(

Same. I'm just waiting for price release so I know exactly how much I'm going to cry


At this rate, I'm crying for you. For the past month or two, I've been just sitting there staring at my email. 1 week away and I'm still waiting. I apologize, but I definitely did not expect this.

Sorry to everyone on how long it's taking to get the price, it has to come in any day now... right?

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - THOK CAP/DESKMATS ARE IN!
« Reply #122 on: Mon, 25 January 2021, 07:56:06 »
No worries man. We believe in you and this amazing GB

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - THOK CAP/DESKMATS ARE IN!
« Reply #123 on: Wed, 27 January 2021, 10:39:08 »
It hasn't been mentioned, so hopefully I'm just overlooking it... but I'm not seeing an R3 1.75U Control cap for HHKB support.  I own ePBT x GOK BOW and for typing feel / sound it's my favorite cherry profile set.

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - THOK CAP/DESKMATS ARE IN!
« Reply #124 on: Wed, 27 January 2021, 12:52:46 »
WOW. Such A good idea for an artisan cap. Thock, or whoever came up with it, deserves some  :thumb:.

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE and price ESTIMATE (NOT FINALIZED)
« Reply #125 on: Thu, 28 January 2021, 02:00:28 »
Please read this in-depth

I am insanely sorry for how last second this is with it being literally 1-2 days before GB. I've been asking for quotes for quite a while, and I received them officially yesterday. Realistically, I was not too keen on the prices that were set for the base kit, but I have reached a price that I am definitely more happy with. I would prefer to update this when all of my vendors have replied, but this post will only include the prices of KBDFans for now and will be updated tomorrow (literally the last day).

When I was given the quotes, I knew I had to cut down the cost of the base kit. Every other kit is amazingly priced (in my opinion), but the base kit was far too expensive -- especially in a GMK hype market. That being said, I have decided to move ISO kitting + ISO-UK to international kit and Numpad kit was also removed from the base kit. Hopefully, with the prices of the child kits, it is still relatively affordable if you do use international/ISO/numpad. Again, I do apologize and know that making a last-minute decision like this does not look too good  :( . However, with numpads being generally less popular in the community, this was the course of action that I decided was best to get a relatively cheaper base kit.







Do note that KBDFans (manufacturer of ePBT) has only recently picked up on reverse dye-sub, so sets like BIIP X DarkWraith and this set cost relatively higher than a normal ePBT set. Compared to Dark Wraith, this does not have Numpad, but it has more accent keys and some other compatibility keys.

These are likely to be the pricing for KBDFans (just for precaution, I'll just add "prices are not finalized and are subject to change" just in case, but I'm at least 1% sure these are going to be the prices:


Oh, also THOK cap will be AROUND $59 (very high MOQ due to being such an intricate design, but it's a HOT design (Brass w/ PVD Satin Green))
« Last Edit: Thu, 28 January 2021, 02:19:01 by dandruff »

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE and price ESTIMATE
« Reply #126 on: Thu, 28 January 2021, 02:41:44 »
thanks for all the hard work dandruff!

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE and price ESTIMATE (NOT FINALIZED)
« Reply #127 on: Thu, 28 January 2021, 02:42:31 »
Please read this in-depth

I am insanely sorry for how last second this is with it being literally 1-2 days before GB. I've been asking for quotes for quite a while, and I received them officially yesterday. Realistically, I was not too keen on the prices that were set for the base kit, but I have reached a price that I am definitely more happy with. I would prefer to update this when all of my vendors have replied, but this post will only include the prices of KBDFans for now and will be updated tomorrow (literally the last day).

When I was given the quotes, I knew I had to cut down the cost of the base kit. Every other kit is amazingly priced (in my opinion), but the base kit was far too expensive -- especially in a GMK hype market. That being said, I have decided to move ISO kitting + ISO-UK to international kit and Numpad kit was also removed from the base kit. Hopefully, with the prices of the child kits, it is still relatively affordable if you do use international/ISO/numpad. Again, I do apologize and know that making a last-minute decision like this does not look too good  :( . However, with numpads being generally less popular in the community, this was the course of action that I decided was best to get a relatively cheaper base kit.

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Do note that KBDFans (manufacturer of ePBT) has only recently picked up on reverse dye-sub, so sets like BIIP X DarkWraith and this set cost relatively higher than a normal ePBT set. Compared to Dark Wraith, this does not have Numpad, but it has more accent keys and some other compatibility keys.

These are likely to be the pricing for KBDFans (just for precaution, I'll just add "prices are not finalized and are subject to change" just in case, but I'm at least 1% sure these are going to be the prices:
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Oh, also THOK cap will be AROUND $59 (very high MOQ due to being such an intricate design, but it's a HOT design (Brass w/ PVD Satin Green))
Nearly 100 for TKL base without basic ISO, GMK price? I was looking forward this GB.... Thoses 4 ISO keys can attract a lot more buyers  :'( :'(
« Last Edit: Thu, 28 January 2021, 02:44:53 by nvh2092 »

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE and price ESTIMATE
« Reply #128 on: Thu, 28 January 2021, 02:50:22 »
thanks for all the hard work dandruff!

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Thank youuuu!  :-*

Please read this in-depth

I am insanely sorry for how last second this is with it being literally 1-2 days before GB. I've been asking for quotes for quite a while, and I received them officially yesterday. Realistically, I was not too keen on the prices that were set for the base kit, but I have reached a price that I am definitely more happy with. I would prefer to update this when all of my vendors have replied, but this post will only include the prices of KBDFans for now and will be updated tomorrow (literally the last day).

When I was given the quotes, I knew I had to cut down the cost of the base kit. Every other kit is amazingly priced (in my opinion), but the base kit was far too expensive -- especially in a GMK hype market. That being said, I have decided to move ISO kitting + ISO-UK to international kit and Numpad kit was also removed from the base kit. Hopefully, with the prices of the child kits, it is still relatively affordable if you do use international/ISO/numpad. Again, I do apologize and know that making a last-minute decision like this does not look too good  :( . However, with numpads being generally less popular in the community, this was the course of action that I decided was best to get a relatively cheaper base kit.

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Do note that KBDFans (manufacturer of ePBT) has only recently picked up on reverse dye-sub, so sets like BIIP X DarkWraith and this set cost relatively higher than a normal ePBT set. Compared to Dark Wraith, this does not have Numpad, but it has more accent keys and some other compatibility keys.

These are likely to be the pricing for KBDFans (just for precaution, I'll just add "prices are not finalized and are subject to change" just in case, but I'm at least 1% sure these are going to be the prices:
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Oh, also THOK cap will be AROUND $59 (very high MOQ due to being such an intricate design, but it's a HOT design (Brass w/ PVD Satin Green))
Nearly 100 for TKL base without basic ISO, GMK price?

Well, it's the addition of accents (spacebars, arrows, even F-row keys) that is pushing it to that price. Also, the MOQ for GMK sets vary, ePBT relatively stays the same and is unchanged with MOQ quantities. I am aware that I made it less appealing to basic ISO users (I feel terrible, I swear), but I had to cut something. Additionally, I wanted to make pricing for the base kit as low as possible. From recent GBs, (ePBT Skadi, Dark Wraith), this is around the same pricing except I prioritized accents over basic ISO.

Also again, I'd just like to reiterate that reverse dye-sub pricing from ePBT is relatively higher, so I apologize for that.

« Last Edit: Thu, 28 January 2021, 03:15:59 by dandruff »

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE and price ESTIMATE
« Reply #129 on: Thu, 28 January 2021, 04:08:25 »
looks so good! I can't wait!

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE and price ESTIMATE
« Reply #130 on: Thu, 28 January 2021, 08:19:01 »
Honestly, $99 for a base and $18 for international is a great price! Regardless of the fact that it’s ePBT and not GMK. As an ISO user, i don’t mind there not being ISO keys in the base kit, as long as the int. kit doesn’t cost $50+. Usually i’d have to pay a bunch just for an extra ISO enter and a few international keys. This way, those who don’t need ISO get a fairly priced base kit! Nice work :D


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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE and price ESTIMATE
« Reply #131 on: Thu, 28 January 2021, 09:10:00 »
These prices and bananas for being as low as they are.  :eek:

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE and price ESTIMATE
« Reply #132 on: Thu, 28 January 2021, 14:33:43 »
Will we have the price for BG from Kono, before group buy starts? I don't wanna order from KBDFans. Their shipping is extreme!

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE and price ESTIMATE
« Reply #133 on: Thu, 28 January 2021, 14:46:44 »
Will we have the price for BG from Kono, before group buy starts? I don't wanna order from KBDFans. Their shipping is extreme!

Yep! All prices SHOULD be public before GB starts (1/29 PST time zone). I am waiting for all vendors to get back to me. Do note that KBDFans will be the cheapest because it is manufactured there and shipped directly from there. Other vendors will have to account for tariffs/tax/VAT/etc. but overall, hopefully, it is cheaper to get from them than a vendor overseas!

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE and price ESTIMATE
« Reply #134 on: Thu, 28 January 2021, 14:51:52 »
Thanks so much for being transparent with us Dandruff! The communication has definitely helped alleviate any stressors that have come up, for me at least.

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE and price ESTIMATE
« Reply #135 on: Thu, 28 January 2021, 14:56:51 »
Will we have the price for BG from Kono, before group buy starts? I don't wanna order from KBDFans. Their shipping is extreme!

Yep! All prices SHOULD be public before GB starts (1/29 PST time zone). I am waiting for all vendors to get back to me. Do note that KBDFans will be the cheapest because it is manufactured there and shipped directly from there. Other vendors will have to account for tariffs/tax/VAT/etc. but overall, hopefully, it is cheaper to get from them than a vendor overseas!


I'm in the U.S. Shipping is crazy expensive from KBDFans. But I'll see. Great kit and thanks for replying!

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE and price ESTIMATE
« Reply #136 on: Thu, 28 January 2021, 14:59:49 »
Thanks so much for being transparent with us Dandruff! The communication has definitely helped alleviate any stressors that have come up, for me at least.

 :-* I'm trying my best!

Will we have the price for BG from Kono, before group buy starts? I don't wanna order from KBDFans. Their shipping is extreme!

Yep! All prices SHOULD be public before GB starts (1/29 PST time zone). I am waiting for all vendors to get back to me. Do note that KBDFans will be the cheapest because it is manufactured there and shipped directly from there. Other vendors will have to account for tariffs/tax/VAT/etc. but overall, hopefully, it is cheaper to get from them than a vendor overseas!


I'm in the U.S. Shipping is crazy expensive from KBDFans. But I'll see. Great kit and thanks for replying!

Most vendors are getting back to me right now. I just got the price back from Kono, and I think it will be good news! I Will post an update once all vendors have notified me though!

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - IMPORTANT KIT UPDATE and price ESTIMATE
« Reply #137 on: Thu, 28 January 2021, 15:50:05 »
I've been looking for a green set for a long time. I do believe this nails my vibe quite nicely. Diggin' it I is.

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - DESKMATS ARE IN!
« Reply #138 on: Thu, 28 January 2021, 15:56:14 »
Deskmats are in! Shannie did an amazing job!

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Now waiting for:
-THOK metal cap (estimating to be announced in a week)
-pricing/quotes (unsure on when)
-you to follow me on INSTAGRAM @DandruffKB

Do we have prices for these beauties?

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - DESKMATS ARE IN!
« Reply #139 on: Thu, 28 January 2021, 16:07:15 »
Deskmats are in! Shannie did an amazing job!

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Now waiting for:
-THOK metal cap (estimating to be announced in a week)
-pricing/quotes (unsure on when)
-you to follow me on INSTAGRAM @DandruffKB

Do we have prices for these beauties?

Should be the same price as previous deskmats sold on whichever vendor. Kono will 99% likely be priced at $16.99! Other vendors are likely to remain constant with previous sales as well.

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - More Vendor Prices Released (not all)
« Reply #140 on: Thu, 28 January 2021, 21:57:50 »
ALL PRICES ARE LOCKED IN!
« Last Edit: Fri, 29 January 2021, 00:22:17 by dandruff »

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - More Vendor Prices Released (not all)
« Reply #141 on: Fri, 29 January 2021, 03:51:45 »
ALL PRICES ARE LOCKED IN!
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Dye sub novelties seems very cheap compared to double-shot. This is new to me, I asked Melisssa from Signature Plastic once about pricing at high MOQ between Pbt dye sub and doubleshot abs. The price for the latter is only half of the former.

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - AWAITING GB POST
« Reply #142 on: Fri, 29 January 2021, 07:56:41 »
Set looks amazing! Is there an ETA for shipping if I'm ordering through KBDfans?

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - AWAITING GB POST
« Reply #143 on: Fri, 29 January 2021, 09:20:14 »
Surely this Shift is just a mistake?



Also please AltGr in the International kit! Like this:

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - AWAITING GB POST
« Reply #144 on: Fri, 29 January 2021, 09:26:35 »
Surely this Shift is just a mistake?

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Also please AltGr in the International kit! Like this:
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HKGaming/Polycaps has a centre stemmed stepped Caps Lock. Would so love if epbt had one in their sets (and retroactively did one for previous kits)
https://kineticlabs.store/keycaps/polycaps/9009-blank-pbt

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - AWAITING GB POST
« Reply #145 on: Fri, 29 January 2021, 11:00:01 »
Doesn't seem like its available on deskhero yet

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - AWAITING GB POST
« Reply #146 on: Fri, 29 January 2021, 14:04:23 »
Doesn't seem like its available on deskhero yet

DeskHero usually is a few hours - a few days behind in terms of the starting date for most of the group buys I've seen.

It'll be active sometime soon I hope!!


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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - AWAITING GB POST
« Reply #147 on: Fri, 29 January 2021, 16:37:06 »
Base kit already out of stock on Deskhero? Feels like it wasn't even open an hour ago.


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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - AWAITING GB POST
« Reply #148 on: Fri, 29 January 2021, 16:56:05 »
Set looks amazing! Is there an ETA for shipping if I'm ordering through KBDfans?

ePBT aims to ship within 6-8 months (it's usually 6, but I'm going to estimate 7 or 8 because they're still ensuring their reverse dye-sub is top-notch.

Doesn't seem like its available on deskhero yet
Base kit already out of stock on Deskhero? Feels like it wasn't even open an hour ago.

Thanks for the heads up both of you! It is up now, but basekit/metal cap not up yet. PMed them, should be up soon.

Surely this Shift is just a mistake?

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Also please AltGr in the International kit! Like this:
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Cutting down the base kit, I moved the 1.25 shift to the international/iso kit. That shift is usually used in place of the 2.25 shift with the <> or \| key next to it in ISO, so that's why it is now in that kit (goal was to get price tag under 100). As for the AltGr, that was in one of my IC forms a while back, and the demand for it was close to none, and as GB already started, that change will not happen, sorry.

STILL AWAITING GB POST TO BE APPROVED BY MODS

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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - AWAITING GB POST
« Reply #149 on: Fri, 29 January 2021, 17:20:22 »
Set looks amazing! Is there an ETA for shipping if I'm ordering through KBDfans?

ePBT aims to ship within 6-8 months (it's usually 6, but I'm going to estimate 7 or 8 because they're still ensuring their reverse dye-sub is top-notch.

Doesn't seem like its available on deskhero yet
Base kit already out of stock on Deskhero? Feels like it wasn't even open an hour ago.

Thanks for the heads up both of you! It is up now, but basekit/metal cap not up yet. PMed them, should be up soon.

Surely this Shift is just a mistake?

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Also please AltGr in the International kit! Like this:
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Cutting down the base kit, I moved the 1.25 shift to the international/iso kit. That shift is usually used in place of the 2.25 shift with the <> or \| key next to it in ISO, so that's why it is now in that kit (goal was to get price tag under 100). As for the AltGr, that was in one of my IC forms a while back, and the demand for it was close to none, and as GB already started, that change will not happen, sorry.

STILL AWAITING GB POST TO BE APPROVED BY MODS

Thank you for all your hard work!!


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Re: [IC] ePBT Soju - GB APPROVED; LOCKED
« Reply #150 on: Sun, 31 January 2021, 08:18:14 »
Head over to the GB post for more information regarding the GB: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=110915.0