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I feel like this is going to be a tough sell against triple-shot JTK Griseann (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109555.0\), which is shipping this quarter (supposedly), and will have lots and lots of extras (probably 1500+, looking at the numbers).
I feel like this is going to be a tough sell against triple-shot JTK Griseann (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109555.0\), which is shipping this quarter (supposedly), and will have lots and lots of extras (probably 1500+, looking at the numbers).
Bigggggg doubt, GMK > JTK by a long shot imo. While I really like Hoodrow, I'm not a fan of JTK at all.
Please add R4:Backslash/Pipe
I feel like this is going to be a tough sell against triple-shot JTK Griseann (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109555.0\), which is shipping this quarter (supposedly), and will have lots and lots of extras (probably 1500+, looking at the numbers).
Bigggggg doubt, GMK > JTK by a long shot imo. While I really like Hoodrow, I'm not a fan of JTK at all.
I'm very confused in regards to the kitting decisions here. The 3 key wasn't added to base, the spacebars are part of a massive extension kit that most people won't use 10% of. I'm just curious as to how this is the most efficient way of doing things, unless you're being strongarmed by your vendors to cut down on kitting. While I appreciate the addition of some 40s friendly keys, still having to pay for all available kits kinda ruins that for me personally.The reasoning for extensions kit is explained in 1st post. Please refer to that. 40s not gonna be in base. From my side I'll try to provide good price for it.
I feel like this is going to be a tough sell against triple-shot JTK Griseann (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109555.0\), which is shipping this quarter (supposedly), and will have lots and lots of extras (probably 1500+, looking at the numbers).
Bigggggg doubt, GMK > JTK by a long shot imo. While I really like Hoodrow, I'm not a fan of JTK at all.
How is GMK much better than JTK? Most if not all issues that are happening with JTK are happening with GMK as well. Misaligned letters(check the 'Z' key), thickness issues(check skinny '?'), sometimes warped spacebars. And to their list of issues they recently added not properly sized 3u spacebars and different textured keys in the same set. So, I think they both have advantages over each other, rather than one being way better than another. Triple shot and price(though recent JTK prices are also not super cheap, they came with a pretty big layout support) are also big plus.
Ç symbol
Please note that on the renders it's not the proper size or either 100% accurate because it's traced. Please check GMK Greek Beige how it's gonna look irl. Fix for the renders pending.
Wait... what's going on with the Ç symbol?Thanks for a heads up. Both things will be fixed.
The render, as it is now, is showing a ς letter (GREEK lowercase final S, U+03c2), instead of a Ç (LATIN uppercase C with cedilla), which is the character(s) [upper and lowercase: Ç and ç, U+00c7 and U+00e7] actually produced by the US International layout (http://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/Interactive-Comparator-of-Different-National-Layouts/?left=enUSin&right=random).
I also would review the front-printing on the R3 \| keycap: in the UK layout, # is in the base layer, and ~ is in the Shift layer, so I'd expect them to be in the inverse order: #~.
Super happy to see this, really missed not having shinethrough caps with JTK. That being said, the purse icon looks disproportionately wide in the renders, can that be understood as an inaccuracy or are you planning on getting a new mold made?It's just a render thing. Will be using trusted old one =)
I'd really love to have r4 over r5, but realize I am probably in the minority. Would you be open to doing a child kit for the bottom row? Either a r5 or a traditional r4 kit?
I'd really love to have r4 over r5, but realize I am probably in the minority. Would you be open to doing a child kit for the bottom row? Either a r5 or a traditional r4 kit?
typically these kits don't do that well at GB, but as an r4 preferrer, i'm not opposed to trying
Sad to see the HHKB sublegends go but if I'm the only one fighting for that… 🤷♂️
I'd really love to have r4 over r5, but realize I am probably in the minority. Would you be open to doing a child kit for the bottom row? Either a r5 or a traditional r4 kit?
typically these kits don't do that well at GB, but as an r4 preferrer, i'm not opposed to trying
Tbh, I really only need it for left alt because that's what I use to crouch/slide in games. R5 is kinda weird to slide you thumb onto from the spacebar.
I do have vanilla WoB though, so worst case I can steal left alt from that set.
For the Extensions kit, can you consider also including shine-through regular caps icon kinda like how gmk metaverse had both purse and non-purse caps lock included?
For the Extensions kit, can you consider also including shine-through regular caps icon kinda like how gmk metaverse had both purse and non-purse caps lock included?
If these aren't added you should check out https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=111537.0
That kit hasn't shipped yet but should be soon and will work with this set, Metaverse, WoB and others I'm sure, just can't think of every WoB esque set right now! There should be a ton of extras for it too and I don't think they will move crazy fast (Could be wrong though, not too sure who likes small kits like this)! I made sure to join during GB since it's such a versatile kit!
I'd add the UK R4 [|\] front print on the R4 [><] key to match everything else.
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/1Aeepzz.jpg)
Ç symbol
Please note that on the renders it's not the proper size or either 100% accurate because it's traced. Please check GMK Greek Beige how it's gonna look irl. Fix for the renders pending.
As I said earlier, those are mostly render issues. Will be fixed with next update.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/1Aeepzz.jpg)Ç symbol
Please note that on the renders it's not the proper size or either 100% accurate because it's traced. Please check GMK Greek Beige how it's gonna look irl. Fix for the renders pending.
That's not supposed to be a Greek letter word-final sigma: ς, but rather an (uppercase) Latin letter C with cedilla: Ç. Therefore, the legend in GMK Greek Beige is not appropriate.
Incorrect:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/l48ukG0.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kMmUTei.png)
Correct:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/XxiCyC1.png)
Also, the micro sign sublegend: µ on the M key is too small. It should be approximately the same size as a lowercase Latin letter or other miscellaneous symbols (€, ×, ÷ etc.).
Incorrect:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/LgFU9fF.png)
Correct:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/2N9pQVd.png)
Here's a recording (https://i.imgur.com/Zpp3sBf.gif) of the actual layout in action and the characters it outputs.
Finally, it looks like some of the diacritics in the current base kit render are too small, specifically those on: Å, Á, É, Ú, Í, Ó. You'll probably want to fix that at some point.
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/FdEFNJA.png)
two recommendations:
F13 in base, as 88 key TKLs have become pretty common and it's effectively a standard layout these days
split out second B and spacebars into their own kit, generally alice users will be buying the spacebars anyway, and not everyone who wants the extension kit (macro column layout users especially!) will need the spacebars. i know it adds a SKU but i think it's a pretty good kitting move.
otherwise looks great to me
Noted, thank you. //updated base kitShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/FdEFNJA.png)
The front-printed legend placement on R4 <>|\ does not match that on R3 \|#~. In the latter key's case, the character on the left is the base legend (#), while the character on the right (~) is the shifted legend. Well, it's the opposite on the R4 key.
Since this way of positioning legends horizontally is also the more common one (base – left, shifted – right), I suggest changing the R4 key so that the backslash is on the left, i.e. \|.
I also suggest avoiding such a large gap between the two front-printed legends.
isn't the point of 3-key 40s in base to allow 40s users to have support without buying a $40+ kit? what's the intention to adding minimal 40s support to a kit with eighteen macro keys?As I previously stated, none of that end up being in the base kit, sorry. I explained why in 1st post. You can always split extensions kit with someone.
isn't the point of 3-key 40s in base to allow 40s users to have support without buying a $40+ kit? what's the intention to adding minimal 40s support to a kit with eighteen macro keys?. You can always split extensions kit with someone.
see if you can find like a partial OG set with r4 bottom row, that might also be pretty good and won't require you to break up the vanilla set
Decided to split macros and other extensions to reduce cost of the extensions if you buying multiple one (if you need one kit for regular WoB and another for Griseann). Kits submitted for quotes.
Any chance we could get some more 40s keys added in extension kit? If I have to pay $160+ as 40s user, it would be nice to have correct legends for popular 40s boards.Kitting is final, there will be no more changes.
- r2 1u Escape
- r2 1u backspace
- r3 1.75 enter
Feel like the bare minimum in addition to what's there currently
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Decided to split macros and other extensions to reduce cost of the extensions if you buying multiple one (if you need one kit for regular WoB and another for Griseann). Kits submitted for quotes.
Pricing for NA are in.
Base kit - $135 @ 500 MOQ
Extension kit - $40 @ 150 MOQ
Macro kit - $40 @ 150 MOQ
Pricing for NA are in.
Base kit - $135 @ 500 MOQ
Extension kit - $40 @ 150 MOQ
Macro kit - $40 @ 150 MOQ
Alright I'm sold, any idea of a GB date?
I understand the move for choosing R5 with the results of the poll, but I also think that it's close enough that a seperate kit adding R4 bottom row would comfortably hit MOQ.
I understand the move for choosing R5 with the results of the poll, but I also think that it's close enough that a seperate kit adding R4 bottom row would comfortably hit MOQ.Sorry, but people decided on the bottom row, and my personal preference is going to R5 as well. I tried to minimize the amount of kits so everything will hit MOQ without vendors having to buy it out (tho I'm concernedabout Macros kit).
I also understand the suggestion of simply getting the bottom row from another set, but Griseann is different from most other sets by the inclusion the coloured legends on the bottom row, combining with another set will lose a part of what 'makes' Griseann, well, Griseann... I wonder whether just including the pad printed R4 keys in one of the extension kits, leaving us to gather the rest of the R4 keys ourselves, could be a good compromise? I almost exclusively use my thumbs for the bottom row keys which makes R5 highly uncomfortable T_T
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/FfCnYSe.png)
Sure, I'll add that.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/FfCnYSe.png)
I just noticed that a R5 1u Meta or Fn key is missing in the base kit. Since this set uses R5, the R4 Fn key can't be used on the bottom row. Some 65%, 75%, 1800/CP etc. layouts require having a 1u Meta/Fn key on the bottom row.
Why not JTK R2 and involve Hoodrow? GMK doesn't have triple shot and while a lot of people are okay with pad print uv, the capability is there and is shipping very soon. Plus there will be extras and probably a lot of them. After learning that the legends are risen, able to be felt, and supposedly ware off eventually (although more durable now) I just feel like sublegends on gmk are forced.
Hope this comes accross as constructive
Why not JTK R2 and involve Hoodrow? GMK doesn't have triple shot and while a lot of people are okay with pad print uv, the capability is there and is shipping very soon. Plus there will be extras and probably a lot of them. After learning that the legends are risen, able to be felt, and supposedly ware off eventually (although more durable now) I just feel like sublegends on gmk are forced.There is couple of reasons why I want it in GMK. It's R5, correct legends/correct legends positions and additional keys that JTK doesn't have molds for. And I'm generally prefer GMK quality over JTK.
Hope this comes accross as constructive
Why not JTK R2 and involve Hoodrow? GMK doesn't have triple shot and while a lot of people are okay with pad print uv, the capability is there and is shipping very soon. Plus there will be extras and probably a lot of them. After learning that the legends are risen, able to be felt, and supposedly ware off eventually (although more durable now) I just feel like sublegends on gmk are forced.There is couple of reasons why I want it in GMK. It's R5, correct legends/correct legends positions and additional keys that JTK doesn't have molds for. And I'm generally prefer GMK quality over JTK.
Hope this comes accross as constructive
How do their lead times compare? GMK is long; but, I think JTK is even longer, right?Why not JTK R2 and involve Hoodrow? GMK doesn't have triple shot and while a lot of people are okay with pad print uv, the capability is there and is shipping very soon. Plus there will be extras and probably a lot of them. After learning that the legends are risen, able to be felt, and supposedly ware off eventually (although more durable now) I just feel like sublegends on gmk are forced.There is couple of reasons why I want it in GMK. It's R5, correct legends/correct legends positions and additional keys that JTK doesn't have molds for. And I'm generally prefer GMK quality over JTK.
Hope this comes accross as constructive
Honest question.. What's the reasoning behind having icon mods in base, but text mods in extension (for caps lock anyways)?
Honest question.. What's the reasoning behind having icon mods in base, but text mods in extension (for caps lock anyways)?
yeah I was thinking the same. maybe the windowed molds do not exist in icon form, and manufacturing dedicated molds would raise prices and forfeit MOQ? only explanation I could think of.
but if they do exist, it would be way nicer to switch to purse capslock for the extension kit.
Honest question.. What's the reasoning behind having icon mods in base, but text mods in extension (for caps lock anyways)?
yeah I was thinking the same. maybe the windowed molds do not exist in icon form, and manufacturing dedicated molds would raise prices and forfeit MOQ? only explanation I could think of.
but if they do exist, it would be way nicer to switch to purse capslock for the extension kit.
Windowed keys from GMK will have the legends UV printed so no additional molds are required.
Yup, and the first run of Griseann had windowed purse caps lock.Show Image(https://external-preview.redd.it/MsGeIb2F-RZYgAQgXs_kaHPMWZzwCFQ_pVgowxNEFwI.jpg?auto=webp&s=a16f0fa7a0f2ecff1625378cf172057af2680677)
The green sub legends contrast very well. If you're interested in creating a metal artisan for this do let us know <3
Yup, and the first run of Griseann had windowed purse caps lock.Show Image(https://external-preview.redd.it/MsGeIb2F-RZYgAQgXs_kaHPMWZzwCFQ_pVgowxNEFwI.jpg?auto=webp&s=a16f0fa7a0f2ecff1625378cf172057af2680677)
I agree, no reason to have text windowed caps when the base kit uses icon mods.
Honest question.. What's the reasoning behind having icon mods in base, but text mods in extension (for caps lock anyways)?
yeah I was thinking the same. maybe the windowed molds do not exist in icon form, and manufacturing dedicated molds would raise prices and forfeit MOQ? only explanation I could think of.
but if they do exist, it would be way nicer to switch to purse capslock for the extension kit.
Updated (final) kits. News soon-ishShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/v622zoI.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zYEJWdf.png)
Updated (final) kits. News soon-ishShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/v622zoI.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zYEJWdf.png)
Might want to double-check your macro columns. Now that the base kit is locked in as including R5, some of the keys there are redundant.
I want to keep spare R4 keys for those who buying it for regular WoB.Updated (final) kits. News soon-ishShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/v622zoI.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zYEJWdf.png)
Might want to double-check your macro columns. Now that the base kit is locked in as including R5, some of the keys there are redundant.
No, I would be really incredibly sad to see the R1 "=" dropped. Its missing from wob base and not in wob essentials. Is that single key worth leaving out?I already squeezing in stuff to hit target price. So can't really add anything to base anymore otherwise we'll have to rise the price it which I really don't want to.
Updated (final) kits. News soon-ishUnfortunate that windowed Caps Lock is gone, I was pumped for it. :'(Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/v622zoI.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zYEJWdf.png)
Updated (final) kits. News soon-ish1. Both macro column and spacebars will be included in one same kit?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/v622zoI.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zYEJWdf.png)
2. Will 2.25u and 2.75u spacebars be R5 height?
1. Both macro column and spacebars will be included in one same kit?Yes, it's one kit.
Ne 3key 40s avail?It was added to the extension kit a while ago, and silently dropped from it recently.
I'm so pumped for this!
If this ever runs, consider swapping to a more reliable EU vendor. I would say Mykeyboard have been dropping the ball, but it feels more like they've kicked the ball under a running bus.
Mykeyboard will have been chosen because they said yes. This could be BS so check it before you believe it, but it seems to me like most EU vendors aren’t taking on sets right now because they have too much stock atm.there's no such thing as too much stock. discount it and offload it. deadstock costs more than giving discounts
I remain extremely keen for this set. Beyond hyped.
It's not dead
It's not dead
Hey! I'm with a good news. GB starts on May 3rd at Novelkeys and their usual proxies. Kitting stays the same.Oh snap, glad I noticed this! I literally just grabbed JTK Griseann since Swagkeys had it on clearance for dirt cheap, but this having a R5 bottom row is enough to sell me on grabbing a set! GLWGB!
Hey! I'm with a good news. GB starts on May 3rd at Novelkeys and their usual proxies. Kitting stays the same.
Hey! I'm with a good news. GB starts on May 3rd at Novelkeys and their usual proxies. Kitting stays the same.
Shame kitting did change. Was hoping for a friendly way to get WoB Alice Support :(
Hey! I'm with a good news. GB starts on May 3rd at Novelkeys and their usual proxies. Kitting stays the same.
Shame kitting did change. Was hoping for a friendly way to get WoB Alice Support :(
Just noticed this :confused:
Lame, went from insta-buy to on-the-fence.