Post by: senter on Mon, 22 February 2021, 16:28:33
Back in 2018, we released our first leaf-themed custom keyboard kit, Leaf80.
Also in 2018, Leaf60 with the gasket-sandwich structure was introduced.
Both keyboards achieved great success.
(https://i.imgur.com/s0E7wiY.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/izAq5o8.jpg)
Leaf 65%
After two years, finally, we bring you Leaf65, a new member of the Leaf series redesigned from the inside out.
(https://i.imgur.com/NLyeTmn.png)
Several original design elements have been kept, including the iconic curvy side profile of the bottom case and the engraved Leaf logo.
Middle Frame
(https://i.imgur.com/7x0CGQk.png)
Both Leaf60 and Leaf80 are relatively plain-looking boards, but we want to change it on Leaf65.
After testing several revisions, we are the most satisfied with the current version with the exposed middle frame.
Choosing different materials and colors for the top, middle, and bottom cases can create plenty of exciting combinations for your preference.
Justing giving you some examples of what can be achieved:
(https://i.imgur.com/14aAvNI.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/AQUKeW3.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/bWRzG7t.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/fBtUwk2.png)
(The final color options have not been decided.)
Not just for aesthetics, the middle frame is also designed for important functional purposes.
By moving case screws from the bottom to the middle frame, the case is screwless from the outside now.
(https://i.imgur.com/B4fZczK.png)
Mounting System
(https://i.imgur.com/11XmUR4.jpg)
The plate mounting system has been upgraded from gasket sandwich to PORON sandwich.
PORON is a foam material that provides a better muting performance.
Features Planned
- Top, middle, and bottom cases in different colors
- No visible screws
- PORON sandwich mount
- PORON mute plate (optional for using between the PCB and the plate)
- New custom rubber feet
Prototype Photos
(https://i.imgur.com/376xMra.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/17OoFym.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/kcgtR42.jpg)
Please let me know if you have any comments or suggestions.
Post by: pcire on Mon, 22 February 2021, 16:30:18
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Post by: DeVita on Mon, 22 February 2021, 16:46:29
Any chance of WKL?
Post by: skrunk on Mon, 22 February 2021, 16:49:39
Keeping an eye on this :thumb:
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Post by: hover0423 on Mon, 22 February 2021, 18:11:38
so nice. I am in. Hotswap?Sent from my Pixel 4a using Tapatalk
Post by: //gainsborough on Mon, 22 February 2021, 18:13:25
Post by: brianjking on Mon, 22 February 2021, 18:17:45
- HHKB style Split backspace support? (this is a must for me)
- Stepped caps/control?
- Any pricing estimates?
Thanks!
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Post by: senter on Mon, 22 February 2021, 20:17:39
Love the red and black frame in the prototype pictures any intention on making it one of the final color choices?
Yes, black and red are two colors that I want to keep.
Post by: senter on Mon, 22 February 2021, 20:18:10
I'm in!
Any chance of WKL?
Yes if you mean left WKL blocker.
Post by: marshmellohs on Mon, 22 February 2021, 20:19:23
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Post by: senter on Mon, 22 February 2021, 20:24:58
this is must have. split space support like key 65?
Yes for the solder version.
Post by: senter on Mon, 22 February 2021, 20:25:25
Run yellow again
You mean yellow anodizing?
Post by: senter on Mon, 22 February 2021, 20:25:38
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Yes
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Post by: vi0till on Mon, 22 February 2021, 20:38:01
back looks really nice. leaf spring so hot right now.Leaf spring will be nice. What is usb board? Is it daughterboard?
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Post by: senter on Mon, 22 February 2021, 20:45:56
Looks awesome, probably gonna join. Curious why you didn't include the Key65 in your lineup of boards/history or just do another round of these?
- HHKB style Split backspace support? (this is a must for me)
- Stepped caps/control?
- Any pricing estimates?
Thanks!
I'm generally not interested in running R2 GBs so Key65 is probably not gonna come back. It's possible that I'll run a GB for Lock65 in the future haha
- Yes for split BS
- Yes for stepped capslock
- The estimated price is $400ish
Post by: Yukinon on Mon, 22 February 2021, 20:48:28
Post by: senter on Mon, 22 February 2021, 20:49:08
Any chance of EU vendors?
Why you want an local vendor? I don't think the shipping can become much cheaper.
Post by: Mighty_Zero on Mon, 22 February 2021, 20:49:51
Post by: senter on Mon, 22 February 2021, 20:54:13
Very nice. Would the PCB have underglow for the PC version? Is there also a chance of a smoky PC? Thanks.
Underglow LEDs are not in the current plan. It is possible to solder RGB stripes though.
I always want to make smoky PC boards but never find reliable material suppliers.
Post by: senter on Mon, 22 February 2021, 20:55:33
I saw render a few months ago with a single color lilac. Is there any possibility of having single color options?
You will be free to choose the color for each part.
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Mon, 22 February 2021, 21:03:10
Run yellow again
You mean yellow anodizing?
Yes, please. If you only do a limited number of colors I understand if you pick something more popular, though.
Post by: pcire on Mon, 22 February 2021, 22:24:45
I saw render a few months ago with a single color lilac. Is there any possibility of having single color options?
You will be free to choose the color for each part.
Oh man! That’s great news!
Would you consider keeping this one and/or the lilac mentioned above?
(https://i.imgur.com/QrLRchn.jpg)
Post by: roloduck on Mon, 22 February 2021, 23:13:36
Post by: Jacki on Mon, 22 February 2021, 23:31:17
I want this alot, Has the CNY GB already run?
Post by: paulgali on Tue, 23 February 2021, 00:36:57
One thing, I'd get rid of the mounting under spacebar. As it currently stands, this is going to make space very stiff.
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Post by: Jacki on Tue, 23 February 2021, 08:05:09
Yes! Yes! Yes!
I want this alot, Has the CNY GB run already?
Post by: senter on Tue, 23 February 2021, 08:54:21
Potential buyers be warned: you won’t get any replacement PCBs for your keyboard after the GB. I’ve tried to get my hands on Leaf60 solderable PCB for ages but Senter a) ignores all emails and other ways of getting in touch b) deletes whole IC threads for PCB production runs because of “insufficient interest” while multiple people are clearly interested and are willing to pay up.
Just to clarify, the IC thread was not deleted as you said.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100500.msg2929306#msg2929306
I did locked that thread as the reasons explained in the above link. There's no way to produce PCBs for just "multiple people".
I order extra PCBs for every GB going forward, but most of the time they are only available for a short time. You should not expect any GB runners to keep extra PCBs forever.
PCBs in general are not easy to be damaged / there are always ways to fix them if you have the skills. If you're likely to damage your PCB and don't have much knowledge on repairing, I suggest buying extras in the first place.
Post by: senter on Tue, 23 February 2021, 08:55:55
You should do a limited run of full pvd brass in gold and rose gold like you did with the leaf60. Those are beautiful and i will buy one for sure. Otherwise i think the middle exposed portion should be polished steel or brass.
I made a middle frame in PVD brass. The quality control of PVD is still a headache.
Post by: senter on Tue, 23 February 2021, 08:57:28
Sorry if this has been asked before, but will this be a limited run? also excited to see what color options there will be! I loved a lot of the looks on the zFrontier page!
most probably run in a short period with a soft top limit
Post by: senter on Tue, 23 February 2021, 09:04:49
Any chance to see a layout chart that shows all possible layouts? I'm particularly interested in one that doesn't have the top right corner blocker, i.e. I'd love an actual key instead of the the logo block, even though it looks amazing
The version you want will be available.
Post by: Zanhana on Tue, 23 February 2021, 09:28:19
I think this looks like a very nice board. if there is an option for polycarbonate with no logo blocker I will be in I think
P.S. I forgot to mention, I would like to see FR4 and Carbon Fiber as plate options :thumb:
Post by: ddnomad on Tue, 23 February 2021, 09:31:01
My apologies. The tread was locked, not deleted indeed.Potential buyers be warned: you won’t get any replacement PCBs for your keyboard after the GB. I’ve tried to get my hands on Leaf60 solderable PCB for ages but Senter a) ignores all emails and other ways of getting in touch b) deletes whole IC threads for PCB production runs because of “insufficient interest” while multiple people are clearly interested and are willing to pay up.
Just to clarify, the IC thread was not deleted as you said.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100500.msg2929306#msg2929306
I did locked that thread as the reasons explained in the above link. There's no way to produce PCBs for just "multiple people".
I order extra PCBs for every GB going forward, but most of the time they are only available for a short time. You should not expect any GB runners to keep extra PCBs forever.
PCBs in general are not easy to be damaged / there are always ways to fix them if you have the skills. If you're likely to damage your PCB and don't have much knowledge on repairing, I suggest buying extras in the first place.
The issue I have with the PCB is not that it’s no longer working or anything, it’s just that the hotswap version has an issue with hotswap sockets on the bottom row touching the bottom of the case, which partially prevents the gasket mount from functioning as intended.
You’re right to say that it’s unreasonable to expect the GB runner to keep a steady stock of extra PCBs forever after the group buy, but it’s also worth noting that due to some peculiar design decisions (such as a flipped orientation of a stabilizer on an enter key) it’s not possible to find a fitting replacement. And as the keyboard has never seen R2, it pretty much leaves me with no choice but live with a hotswap PCB and that clearance issue.
Anyways, I’m not going to hijack this IC thread or start spitting poison in here just because I have that issue.
I’ll just strongly encourage people who are going to join Leaf 65 GB to get a couple of extra PCBs, including the soldered version, just in case.
Post by: milka158 on Tue, 23 February 2021, 09:51:31
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 23 February 2021, 10:56:00
Potential buyers be warned: you won’t get any replacement PCBs for your keyboard after the GB. I’ve tried to get my hands on Leaf60 solderable PCB for ages but Senter a) ignores all emails and other ways of getting in touch b) deletes whole IC threads for PCB production runs because of “insufficient interest” while multiple people are clearly interested and are willing to pay up.
Just to clarify, the IC thread was not deleted as you said.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100500.msg2929306#msg2929306
I did locked that thread as the reasons explained in the above link. There's no way to produce PCBs for just "multiple people".
I order extra PCBs for every GB going forward, but most of the time they are only available for a short time. You should not expect any GB runners to keep extra PCBs forever.
PCBs in general are not easy to be damaged / there are always ways to fix them if you have the skills. If you're likely to damage your PCB and don't have much knowledge on repairing, I suggest buying extras in the first place.
Class act.
Great looking board, Senter. I really like all the improvements you made coming from the Leaf 60, which I very much enjoy using.
Post by: Danimal5123 on Tue, 23 February 2021, 11:37:52
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Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 23 February 2021, 16:10:53
any word on when this GB will be available? I have to start budgeting for this and I don't want to miss out.
Going off of the past ICs and respective GBs I'd say you're looking at maybe a month or two - never know though, and I'm sure Senter will be more than happy to give you an actual answer when he can.
Post by: MeatballNapkin on Tue, 23 February 2021, 21:36:07
Post by: senter on Tue, 23 February 2021, 23:16:59
what is the typing angle?
I think this looks like a very nice board. if there is an option for polycarbonate with no logo blocker I will be in I think
P.S. I forgot to mention, I would like to see FR4 and Carbon Fiber as plate options :thumb:
5.5 degree.
FR4 plates will be like this:
(https://i.imgur.com/bUUnwhK.jpg)
Post by: senter on Tue, 23 February 2021, 23:19:58
Is the middle piece visible from the front face of the keyboard? Or is it just a regular seam in front?
The seam is very thin in front but the middle frame is still visible.
Post by: senter on Tue, 23 February 2021, 23:20:47
How tall is the front of the case? The Leaf60 was pretty low profile, and this looks just a tad bit taller.
The front is 21-22mm tall.
Post by: vi0till on Tue, 23 February 2021, 23:22:24
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Post by: senter on Tue, 23 February 2021, 23:27:08
any word on when this GB will be available? I have to start budgeting for this and I don't want to miss out.
any word on when this GB will be available? I have to start budgeting for this and I don't want to miss out.
Going off of the past ICs and respective GBs I'd say you're looking at maybe a month or two - never know though, and I'm sure Senter will be more than happy to give you an actual answer when he can.
Theoretically we can start new GBs anytime soon cause the CNC factory has finished all parts of Time80RE and is available now. I don't want to rush on a new GB though before most of Time80RE orders are fulfilled. A rough estimation of the next GB is late March or Early April.
Post by: senter on Tue, 23 February 2021, 23:28:16
This is a beautiful board. Is there anywhere I can sign up for a reminder?
You can follow me on Instagram if you use it.
Post by: senter on Tue, 23 February 2021, 23:31:16
Can you explain what is USB board as in the diagram? Leaf spring for leaf board. Nice...
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Nothing but an USB daughter board
(https://i.imgur.com/BHSczBn.jpg)
Post by: miniongang on Wed, 24 February 2021, 01:12:28
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Post by: harpharpharpy on Wed, 24 February 2021, 03:02:52
I need an E-white option :))
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Post by: Hi !! on Wed, 24 February 2021, 04:54:12
Also, can't overlook the USB head on black prototype pic. Its kinda protruding slightly. its defeat the cleanliness of the exposed middle frame to me
Post by: vinhsanity on Wed, 24 February 2021, 06:28:24
Post by: PvtSkittles on Wed, 24 February 2021, 09:32:11
You should do a limited run of full pvd brass in gold and rose gold like you did with the leaf60. Those are beautiful and i will buy one for sure. Otherwise i think the middle exposed portion should be polished steel or brass.
I made a middle frame in PVD brass. The quality control of PVD is still a headache.
Hopefully there will still be an option for a PVD brass plate at least. I absolutely LOVE mine on the leaf60. Whenever I receive a regular brass plate for other builds I am always a little disappointed it is not as nice as on the Leaf60.
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Post by: JvMil on Wed, 24 February 2021, 16:43:47
Will there be a EU vendor? For VAT reasons
Post by: Gnome on Wed, 24 February 2021, 17:04:04
Is there a discord to join for updates? Would also like an EU vendor if possible.
Post by: jman112004 on Wed, 24 February 2021, 20:22:52
Post by: senter on Fri, 26 February 2021, 12:21:33
You should do a limited run of full pvd brass in gold and rose gold like you did with the leaf60. Those are beautiful and i will buy one for sure. Otherwise i think the middle exposed portion should be polished steel or brass.
I made a middle frame in PVD brass. The quality control of PVD is still a headache.
Hopefully there will still be an option for a PVD brass plate at least. I absolutely LOVE mine on the leaf60. Whenever I receive a regular brass plate for other builds I am always a little disappointed it is not as nice as on the Leaf60.
This is how the current prototype PVD-coated part looks.
(https://i.imgur.com/5ZCEjQe.jpg)
I'll keep looking for a better PVD coating supplier and try to make it available in the next GB.
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Post by: lecorsair on Sun, 28 February 2021, 21:56:56
On side note, love my Space65v2. Your GBs are the best in the hobby.
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Post by: senter on Mon, 01 March 2021, 13:02:26
Love the design! Are individual RGB-LEDs for each key planned to be on the PCB?
No yet
Post by: senter on Mon, 01 March 2021, 13:03:49
Any plans for WKL layout?
Yes if you mean the version with a left Win key blocker
Post by: senter on Mon, 01 March 2021, 13:05:58
Will there be different plate materials like PC, POM, Nylon?
I haven't tested these more flexible plate materials on the current design.
I'll test a PC plate and see how it works.
Post by: senter on Mon, 01 March 2021, 13:09:39
E-White with Green PVD brass accents would be something else. Nonetheless would enjoy E-White and Green for my botanical set.
Excuse my ignorance, green PVD exists?
Post by: senter on Mon, 01 March 2021, 13:12:35
Is there going to be ISO support?
I prefer to make the solder version PCB compatible but not for the default plates. I don't like the ANSI-ISO-compatible Enter hole on plates.
Post by: senter on Mon, 01 March 2021, 13:13:01
Oooh this is gorgeous! Will there be a hotswap option? o:
Yes
Post by: MrT1ddl3s on Mon, 01 March 2021, 16:29:16
Post by: Jacki on Mon, 01 March 2021, 18:00:12
also will there be vendors for the regions?
Post by: nsyinc on Mon, 01 March 2021, 18:16:04
do you have a picture for the bottom of the case? is it curved or flat? thanks
Post by: fredprinz21 on Mon, 01 March 2021, 23:34:54
Good luck with IC + GB!
Post by: bas72 on Tue, 02 March 2021, 01:28:48
edit: A PC version would indeed be very nice. I could work around it, but that would definitely be a plus.
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Post by: firstworldproblems on Tue, 02 March 2021, 13:59:54
Love the board! One quick question though. In the renders, there's a leaf engraving on the top right corner. But that's not on the prototypes. Will you be offering both designs?I have the same question..blocker looks nice :)
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Post by: nsyinc on Tue, 02 March 2021, 16:56:56
Love the board! One quick question though. In the renders, there's a leaf engraving on the top right corner. But that's not on the prototypes. Will you be offering both designs?
I have the same question..blocker looks nice :)
in case you haven't gone throught the thread, see reply #58. sounds like both versions will be offered.
Post by: leexy on Tue, 02 March 2021, 19:56:29
(https://i.imgur.com/AQUKeW3.png)
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Post by: CustomerSupport on Thu, 04 March 2021, 00:06:23
Exciting! I like this approach.I saw render a few months ago with a single color lilac. Is there any possibility of having single color options?
You will be free to choose the color for each part.
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Post by: Cabbages on Thu, 04 March 2021, 00:20:33
Post by: light_switch on Thu, 04 March 2021, 22:10:12
Do you have an active discord channel for Fox Labs or is it just an Instagram?
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Post by: senter on Wed, 17 March 2021, 20:27:48
senter,
do you have a picture for the bottom of the case? is it curved or flat? thanks
(https://i.imgur.com/7YfgLwm.png)
Post by: pcire on Wed, 17 March 2021, 20:28:48
senter,
do you have a picture for the bottom of the case? is it curved or flat? thanksShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/7YfgLwm.png)
That’s hot!
Post by: Little4Real on Wed, 17 March 2021, 20:41:45
- What's the front typing height and angle of this keyboard?
- Will the PCB have Alps support like other Fox Lab keyboards? (Leaf60, Key65, Time80, etc...)
- Is there any flex when using plastic plates? In the Leaf60 and Key65, there was no flex and typing feel was pretty stiff, even when using a polycarbonate or POM plate.
Post by: cijanzen on Thu, 18 March 2021, 09:19:32
That subtle blush beneath the PC is beautifulsenter,
do you have a picture for the bottom of the case? is it curved or flat? thanksShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/7YfgLwm.png)
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Post by: senter on Wed, 24 March 2021, 13:42:58
Damn this keyboard just blew a USB port on Taeha's build stream. Unfortunate.
Shame about the Taegu types build stream. Pcb problem I assume? Will this delay the gb?
I don't know if the GB should be postponed or not until I figure out the issues. Most probably not.
It's unfortunate. I'll check the PCB when I have it in my hands. The PCB was not tested by myself but was tested by my collaborator who designed the PCB. He also hand-soldered all the prototype PCBs. I guess some parts were not soldered very well and got loose during the shipping. It shouldn't be a big problem though, as 32u4-based PCBs are pretty straightforward, and we've been making these for years.
BTW, I'm waiting for another prototype part to arrive. If it works as I excepted, I'll make a last-minute change/upgrade for what's been shown so far.
Post by: Stompy on Wed, 24 March 2021, 15:33:22
Damn this keyboard just blew a USB port on Taeha's build stream. Unfortunate.Shame about the Taegu types build stream. Pcb problem I assume? Will this delay the gb?
I don't know if the GB should be postponed or not until I figure out the issues. Most probably not.
It's unfortunate. I'll check the PCB when I have it in my hands. The PCB was not tested by myself but was tested by my collaborator who designed the PCB. He also hand-soldered all the prototype PCBs. I guess some parts were not soldered very well and got loose during the shipping. It shouldn't be a big problem though, as 32u4-based PCBs are pretty straightforward, and we've been making these for years.
BTW, I'm waiting for another prototype part to arrive. If it works as I excepted, I'll make a last-minute change/upgrade for what's been shown so far.
That’s hard luck so best wishes. I’m hand soldering an Atmega32u4 next week and am not looking forward to it... 40 x tiny pins!
Good looking board though. I’m dead keen still. Really hoping for an iso plate/pcb though.
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Post by: bowljob on Sun, 28 March 2021, 23:25:38
Post by: DaaDaa on Mon, 29 March 2021, 13:31:56
Post by: firstworldproblems on Mon, 29 March 2021, 21:00:19
Why not expand a little bit on the final combinations of available finishes and pricing? why insist on being annoying?
Pricing is "$400ish"
Best I've found for the colorway options can be seen here:
https://foxlab.store/
Post by: DaaDaa on Mon, 29 March 2021, 22:49:01
Post by: mudcakehoney on Tue, 30 March 2021, 04:27:33
So freaking excited for this, already having anxiety trying to decide which colours to get
Post by: Alga on Tue, 30 March 2021, 04:54:37
Post by: Stompy on Tue, 30 March 2021, 11:07:48
Post by: lonalde on Tue, 30 March 2021, 11:48:46
Post by: HappyB0T on Tue, 30 March 2021, 11:51:51
Or Gray & Blue as shown in renders.
Post by: 3yatt on Tue, 30 March 2021, 12:19:42
Post by: thriftywalnut on Tue, 30 March 2021, 12:32:42
Post by: lonalde on Tue, 30 March 2021, 14:24:24
I noticed Minterly stating the color options in her YT video. Have these been decided on? If so, have they been listed somewhere?
I just hope I can get the E-White with Red combo, I thought that looked reaaaaaaaaally nice.
Post by: Bitmxp on Tue, 30 March 2021, 19:25:07
Post by: TskTskTsk on Wed, 31 March 2021, 06:41:16
Post by: Tsumi on Wed, 31 March 2021, 14:01:00
Have you received back the PCB from Taeha to troubleshoot what went wrong? Looking forward to your next update.Damn this keyboard just blew a USB port on Taeha's build stream. Unfortunate.Shame about the Taegu types build stream. Pcb problem I assume? Will this delay the gb?
I don't know if the GB should be postponed or not until I figure out the issues. Most probably not.
It's unfortunate. I'll check the PCB when I have it in my hands. The PCB was not tested by myself but was tested by my collaborator who designed the PCB. He also hand-soldered all the prototype PCBs. I guess some parts were not soldered very well and got loose during the shipping. It shouldn't be a big problem though, as 32u4-based PCBs are pretty straightforward, and we've been making these for years.
BTW, I'm waiting for another prototype part to arrive. If it works as I excepted, I'll make a last-minute change/upgrade for what's been shown so far.
Post by: Kinesiologist on Wed, 31 March 2021, 20:27:53
Can you please start this GB on saturday or sunday and let us know the time in advance so we can prepare?
Post by: daeyul on Thu, 01 April 2021, 11:04:44
Post by: gmhopkin on Thu, 01 April 2021, 11:15:07
Post by: catfromonomichi on Thu, 01 April 2021, 12:47:05
Post by: senter on Sat, 03 April 2021, 23:07:28
(https://i.imgur.com/qfxvHil.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/tiIwpLG.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/RF1mR5n.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/joqlyQr.jpg)
I came up with this idea just several days ago. I call it the skeleton plate as some Instagram users suggested. I think it's pretty cool.
Now I want to make it the default, maybe the only, plate option. What do you think?
Post by: idolindisguise on Sat, 03 April 2021, 23:10:46
Post by: Jacki on Sat, 03 April 2021, 23:28:24
Quick Question:Bro that looks nuts, will this have ISO support also?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/qfxvHil.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/tiIwpLG.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/RF1mR5n.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/joqlyQr.jpg)
I came up with this idea just several days ago. I call it the skeleton plate as some Instagram users suggested. I think it's pretty cool.
Now I want to make it the default, maybe the only, plate option. What do you think?
i would suggest making no skeleton cuts for flexy plates like polycarb, fr4.
It might make it feel funky.
i'm so ready for the GB
Post by: enricodg on Sun, 04 April 2021, 01:54:55
Quick Question:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/qfxvHil.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/tiIwpLG.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/RF1mR5n.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/joqlyQr.jpg)
I came up with this idea just several days ago. I call it the skeleton plate as some Instagram users suggested. I think it's pretty cool.
Now I want to make it the default, maybe the only, plate option. What do you think?
Interested on this, what's the material? How does it feel? And will production PCB have flex cuts?
Would be interested if you do add fr4 and pc option as additional.
Hope I can cop one!
Post by: Stompy on Sun, 04 April 2021, 04:10:04
Now I want to make it the default, maybe the only, plate option. What do you think?
Not the only one surely? FR4 is too good. At least keep that.
Post by: harpharpharpy on Sun, 04 April 2021, 04:52:45
Post by: Scottw on Sun, 04 April 2021, 08:44:11
Quick Question:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/qfxvHil.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/tiIwpLG.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/RF1mR5n.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/joqlyQr.jpg)
I came up with this idea just several days ago. I call it the skeleton plate as some Instagram users suggested. I think it's pretty cool.
Now I want to make it the default, maybe the only, plate option. What do you think?
I would be in to try this (default or not).
Have you tried to desolder a switch or two? My only concern would be if it was too easy to damage if you needed to repair a broken switch.
Post by: senter on Sun, 04 April 2021, 09:31:07
Firstly, it’s very strong. Don’t be afraid it will be damaged or deformed easily.
Secondly, well, it’s not that flexible as I thought. Regular PC plates are much softer. FR4 plates with this design may be different though.
I always hope I can offer something different in my GB that you cannot get from others, even the decisions are risky and not that mainstream. So far I still want to make it default. Convince me why not if you hate it.
Post by: Stompy on Sun, 04 April 2021, 10:16:13
The material of the skeleton plate is aluminum as usual. I’ll test other materials (FR4, brass) as well.
Firstly, it’s very strong. Don’t be afraid it will be damaged or deformed easily.
Secondly, well, it’s not that flexible as I thought. Regular PC plates are much softer. FR4 plates with this design may be different though.
I always hope I can offer something different in my GB that you cannot get from others, even the decisions are risky and not that mainstream. So far I still want to make it default. Convince me why not if you hate it.
For me, the plate can offer extra protection for the pcb against crumbs, pet hair, spills even. So I would choose a plate with more coverage generally. But, I plan on buying extras to have aluminium, fr4, (carbon fibre maybe?!) so hopefully wouldn’t affect me. I think with the curved design and plate cutouts shown, you are already offering something different enough for me.
Post by: 360Ceeee on Sun, 04 April 2021, 10:26:09
The material of the skeleton plate is aluminum as usual. I’ll test other materials (FR4, brass) as well.In my opinion, although such a design is very cool, it may not be obvious to improve the feel. Do you consider using flex cut on the PCB?
Firstly, it’s very strong. Don’t be afraid it will be damaged or deformed easily.
Secondly, well, it’s not that flexible as I thought. Regular PC plates are much softer. FR4 plates with this design may be different though.
I always hope I can offer something different in my GB that you cannot get from others, even the decisions are risky and not that mainstream. So far I still want to make it default. Convince me why not if you hate it.
Post by: Stompy on Sun, 04 April 2021, 10:44:33
The material of the skeleton plate is aluminum as usual. I’ll test other materials (FR4, brass) as well.
Firstly, it’s very strong. Don’t be afraid it will be damaged or deformed easily.
Secondly, well, it’s not that flexible as I thought. Regular PC plates are much softer. FR4 plates with this design may be different though.
I always hope I can offer something different in my GB that you cannot get from others, even the decisions are risky and not that mainstream. So far I still want to make it default. Convince me why not if you hate it.
For me, the plate can offer extra protection for the pcb against crumbs, pet hair, spills even. So I would choose a plate with more coverage generally. But, I plan on buying extras to have aluminium, fr4, (carbon fibre maybe?!) so hopefully wouldn’t affect me. I think with the curved design and plate cutouts shown, you are already offering something different enough for me.
That being said, I would buy this as an extra for sure.
Post by: alignace on Sun, 04 April 2021, 11:10:10
I'd like to see that customizability extended to the plate choices...rather than have the skeleton plate as the default/only option. You'd still be offering something different if the plate was offered as an extra.
Post by: idolindisguise on Sun, 04 April 2021, 11:41:57
Post by: azagoth on Sun, 04 April 2021, 11:58:33
I've really liked the customization options offered in this IC so far, like the case colour combinations and a choice to have the top-right leaf badge or not.
I'd like to see that customizability extended to the plate choices...rather than have the skeleton plate as the default/only option. You'd still be offering something different if the plate was offered as an extra.
I agree with that... This beautiful board is all about customization. Why would you impose a single plate while everything else is fully customizable?
As for being the default one, you obviously know your stuff and what you are doing, so I you think that this is a good default, I'm all in, and following your advice.
Post by: senter on Sun, 04 April 2021, 12:35:32
I've really liked the customization options offered in this IC so far, like the case colour combinations and a choice to have the top-right leaf badge or not.
I'd like to see that customizability extended to the plate choices...rather than have the skeleton plate as the default/only option. You'd still be offering something different if the plate was offered as an extra.
Offering more options is what I always want to achieve.
However, making two types of plates will may make the options unmanageable.
So far, the options are like:
- 4 top case layouts: with/without logo, with/without WKL blocker
- 10 top case colors
- 11 middle frame colors/materials (9 for aluminum, 1 for PC, 1 for PVD brass)
- 10 bottom case colors
- 10 weight colors
- 11 plate colors/materials (9 for aluminum, 1 for FR4, 1 for PVD brass)
If I offer both the regular plate and the skeleton plate, the number of options for plates will be increased from 11 to 22.
Post by: senter on Sun, 04 April 2021, 12:37:24
The material of the skeleton plate is aluminum as usual. I’ll test other materials (FR4, brass) as well.
Firstly, it’s very strong. Don’t be afraid it will be damaged or deformed easily.
Secondly, well, it’s not that flexible as I thought. Regular PC plates are much softer. FR4 plates with this design may be different though.
I always hope I can offer something different in my GB that you cannot get from others, even the decisions are risky and not that mainstream. So far I still want to make it default. Convince me why not if you hate it.
For me, the plate can offer extra protection for the pcb against crumbs, pet hair, spills even. So I would choose a plate with more coverage generally. But, I plan on buying extras to have aluminium, fr4, (carbon fibre maybe?!) so hopefully wouldn’t affect me. I think with the curved design and plate cutouts shown, you are already offering something different enough for me.
That's a good point. It's not a big issue if you use the PORON sheet under the plate I assume?
Post by: Stompy on Sun, 04 April 2021, 13:24:07
The material of the skeleton plate is aluminum as usual. I’ll test other materials (FR4, brass) as well.
Firstly, it’s very strong. Don’t be afraid it will be damaged or deformed easily.
Secondly, well, it’s not that flexible as I thought. Regular PC plates are much softer. FR4 plates with this design may be different though.
I always hope I can offer something different in my GB that you cannot get from others, even the decisions are risky and not that mainstream. So far I still want to make it default. Convince me why not if you hate it.
For me, the plate can offer extra protection for the pcb against crumbs, pet hair, spills even. So I would choose a plate with more coverage generally. But, I plan on buying extras to have aluminium, fr4, (carbon fibre maybe?!) so hopefully wouldn’t affect me. I think with the curved design and plate cutouts shown, you are already offering something different enough for me.
That's a good point. It's not a big issue if you use the PORON sheet under the plate I assume?
Yeah, any layer of protection will be fine I would think.
Post by: DeadlyD on Sun, 04 April 2021, 13:39:41
Post by: gmhopkin on Sun, 04 April 2021, 14:06:58
Post by: neikels on Sun, 04 April 2021, 14:36:47
I would stick with the current lineup of options and add a black, white and silver skeleton plate. Depends on the assembled look though as I mentioned.
Post by: Jacki on Sun, 04 April 2021, 17:29:15
Post by: Kikoo on Sun, 04 April 2021, 18:56:29
Post by: enricodg on Sun, 04 April 2021, 23:53:22
Post by: DaaDaa on Mon, 05 April 2021, 00:29:35
Post by: peaceperfection on Mon, 05 April 2021, 07:34:36
Post by: DaaDaa on Mon, 05 April 2021, 12:56:29
Post by: Clone6001 on Mon, 05 April 2021, 19:51:02
Post by: meenacraft on Mon, 05 April 2021, 23:03:20
I was doublechecking the color options for the case at foxlab.store/products/leaf-65 and saw no purple or lilac. At the beginning of this thread you mentioned full lilac could be an option, is this not the case anymore, and the colors on the product page are the final colorways?
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210224/d2144a832320edccba87e3e4b0875e22.jpg)
Post by: mudcakehoney on Tue, 06 April 2021, 04:11:57
Post by: Stompy on Tue, 06 April 2021, 04:55:04
The placeholder page at https://foxlab.store/products/leaf-65 shows nothing so far...
Post by: alignace on Tue, 06 April 2021, 05:23:42
Hi Senter,
I was doublechecking the color options for the case at foxlab.store/products/leaf-65 and saw no purple or lilac. At the beginning of this thread you mentioned full lilac could be an option, is this not the case anymore, and the colors on the product page are the final colorways?Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210224/d2144a832320edccba87e3e4b0875e22.jpg)
I REALLY hope that the lilac colorway gets included... *fingers crossed* :(
Post by: Pichiew on Tue, 06 April 2021, 06:39:18
Hi Senter,
I was doublechecking the color options for the case at foxlab.store/products/leaf-65 and saw no purple or lilac. At the beginning of this thread you mentioned full lilac could be an option, is this not the case anymore, and the colors on the product page are the final colorways?Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210224/d2144a832320edccba87e3e4b0875e22.jpg)
I am really hoping for Lilac too :(
Post by: Altain on Tue, 06 April 2021, 08:24:19
Post by: Stompy on Tue, 06 April 2021, 09:52:00
Has this ran on GB already? I genuinely hope I did not miss this.
Not yet, I think it was said somewhere first week of April. So it's soon...
Post by: Jacki on Tue, 06 April 2021, 10:52:47
Hi Senter,I also noticed there's no option for Polycarb bottom, only top and mid piece
I was doublechecking the color options for the case at foxlab.store/products/leaf-65 and saw no purple or lilac. At the beginning of this thread you mentioned full lilac could be an option, is this not the case anymore, and the colors on the product page are the final colorways?Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210224/d2144a832320edccba87e3e4b0875e22.jpg)
Post by: 3yatt on Tue, 06 April 2021, 15:37:32
Hi Senter,I also noticed there's no option for Polycarb bottom, only top and mid piece
I was doublechecking the color options for the case at foxlab.store/products/leaf-65 and saw no purple or lilac. At the beginning of this thread you mentioned full lilac could be an option, is this not the case anymore, and the colors on the product page are the final colorways?Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210224/d2144a832320edccba87e3e4b0875e22.jpg)
Commenting to draw attention to this
Post by: Stompy on Tue, 06 April 2021, 17:48:44
Really hoping for that ISO support...
The placeholder page at https://foxlab.store/products/leaf-65 shows nothing so far...
Although the pcb on Taeha’s stream right now looks promising!
Post by: alignace on Tue, 06 April 2021, 22:28:24
Hi Senter,
I was doublechecking the color options for the case at foxlab.store/products/leaf-65 and saw no purple or lilac. At the beginning of this thread you mentioned full lilac could be an option, is this not the case anymore, and the colors on the product page are the final colorways?Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210224/d2144a832320edccba87e3e4b0875e22.jpg)
I am really hoping for Lilac too :(
I was under the impression that lilac would be offered...
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PETITION TO INCLUDE LILAC COLOUR OPTION
Post by: GuavaJoe on Tue, 06 April 2021, 23:03:11
Post by: MelonBred on Wed, 07 April 2021, 00:06:20
Post by: prognostics on Wed, 07 April 2021, 06:09:48
Post by: DaaDaa on Wed, 07 April 2021, 07:13:29
Post by: Stompy on Wed, 07 April 2021, 07:34:02
Post by: DaaDaa on Wed, 07 April 2021, 08:47:49
Did anyone catch Taeha's build stream of this yesterday? I only saw a minute, and it's not uploaded to his recent videos. What was his end verdict?
i watched the whole thing. he gave away two leaf65 at the end. it was stiffer than you would expect from a gasket mount called leaf. taeha was also surprised at how expensive it was. i pointed out that it is more expensive than time80RE. other than that pretty good.
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i have mixed feelings about this GB. on their website there is not even a contact us link or support. no about us. no manual. no faq. no guide. no "if you have a problem with our product you can email us". nothing. it is quite .... arrogant and rude honestly.
Post by: LuluLimes on Wed, 07 April 2021, 09:12:34
Hi Senter,
I was doublechecking the color options for the case at foxlab.store/products/leaf-65 and saw no purple or lilac. At the beginning of this thread you mentioned full lilac could be an option, is this not the case anymore, and the colors on the product page are the final colorways?Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210224/d2144a832320edccba87e3e4b0875e22.jpg)
Lilac slaps hope it makes the cut
Post by: senter on Wed, 07 April 2021, 09:42:56
Did anyone catch Taeha's build stream of this yesterday? I only saw a minute, and it's not uploaded to his recent videos. What was his end verdict?
i watched the whole thing. he gave away two leaf65 at the end. it was stiffer than you would expect from a gasket mount called leaf. taeha was also surprised at how expensive it was. i pointed out that it is more expensive than time80RE. other than that pretty good.
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i have mixed feelings about this GB. on their website there is not even a contact us link or support. no about us. no manual. no faq. no guide. no "if you have a problem with our product you can email us". nothing. it is quite .... arrogant and rude honestly.
Hmmm, judging me just based on a placeholder product page is pretty arrogant and rude in my opinion. I haven't formally announce the GB, and I'm still making changes on my website. Making the page active with 0 stock is to enable and test some of the apps on shopify.
Due to the recent USD/CNY exchange rate changes, $415 this year is $366 excluding the transaction fees in the last year, not counting the price incensements on basically all the materials. Does that sound a little better?
Post by: senter on Wed, 07 April 2021, 09:44:49
Hi Senter,
I was doublechecking the color options for the case at foxlab.store/products/leaf-65 and saw no purple or lilac. At the beginning of this thread you mentioned full lilac could be an option, is this not the case anymore, and the colors on the product page are the final colorways?Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210224/d2144a832320edccba87e3e4b0875e22.jpg)
unfortunately, we weren't able to adjust the lilac color ⊙︿⊙
Post by: senter on Wed, 07 April 2021, 09:47:01
Any chance we could get any more photos / renders of the e-beige colour please?
(https://i.imgur.com/WtUICQT.jpg)
Here's a comparison between E-beige and E-white
Post by: DaaDaa on Wed, 07 April 2021, 10:31:43
Did anyone catch Taeha's build stream of this yesterday? I only saw a minute, and it's not uploaded to his recent videos. What was his end verdict?
i watched the whole thing. he gave away two leaf65 at the end. it was stiffer than you would expect from a gasket mount called leaf. taeha was also surprised at how expensive it was. i pointed out that it is more expensive than time80RE. other than that pretty good.
/////////
i have mixed feelings about this GB. on their website there is not even a contact us link or support. no about us. no manual. no faq. no guide. no "if you have a problem with our product you can email us". nothing. it is quite .... arrogant and rude honestly.
Hmmm, judging me just based on a placeholder product page is pretty arrogant and rude in my opinion. I haven't formally announce the GB, and I'm still making changes on my website. Making the page active with 0 stock is to enable and test some of the apps on shopify.
Due to the recent USD/CNY exchange rate changes, $415 this year is $366 excluding the transaction fees in the last year, not counting the price incensements on basically all the materials. Does that sound a little better?
No it's not better. Not having a contact us email address doesn't have anything to do with the future gb. What about owners of previous products?
Post by: noodleman on Wed, 07 April 2021, 10:48:52
Did anyone catch Taeha's build stream of this yesterday? I only saw a minute, and it's not uploaded to his recent videos. What was his end verdict?
i watched the whole thing. he gave away two leaf65 at the end. it was stiffer than you would expect from a gasket mount called leaf. taeha was also surprised at how expensive it was. i pointed out that it is more expensive than time80RE. other than that pretty good.
/////////
i have mixed feelings about this GB. on their website there is not even a contact us link or support. no about us. no manual. no faq. no guide. no "if you have a problem with our product you can email us". nothing. it is quite .... arrogant and rude honestly.
Hmmm, judging me just based on a placeholder product page is pretty arrogant and rude in my opinion. I haven't formally announce the GB, and I'm still making changes on my website. Making the page active with 0 stock is to enable and test some of the apps on shopify.
Due to the recent USD/CNY exchange rate changes, $415 this year is $366 excluding the transaction fees in the last year, not counting the price incensements on basically all the materials. Does that sound a little better?
No it's not better. Not having a contact us email address doesn't have anything to do with the future gb. What about owners of previous products?
do you have any of his previous products? Cause having joined in to previous foxlab gbs I've gotten plenty of support and have no problems contacting senter via email and pms.
Post by: Stompy on Wed, 07 April 2021, 11:11:31
Did anyone catch Taeha's build stream of this yesterday? I only saw a minute, and it's not uploaded to his recent videos. What was his end verdict?
i watched the whole thing. he gave away two leaf65 at the end. it was stiffer than you would expect from a gasket mount called leaf. taeha was also surprised at how expensive it was. i pointed out that it is more expensive than time80RE. other than that pretty good.
/////////
i have mixed feelings about this GB. on their website there is not even a contact us link or support. no about us. no manual. no faq. no guide. no "if you have a problem with our product you can email us". nothing. it is quite .... arrogant and rude honestly.
Hmmm, judging me just based on a placeholder product page is pretty arrogant and rude in my opinion. I haven't formally announce the GB, and I'm still making changes on my website. Making the page active with 0 stock is to enable and test some of the apps on shopify.
Due to the recent USD/CNY exchange rate changes, $415 this year is $366 excluding the transaction fees in the last year, not counting the price incensements on basically all the materials. Does that sound a little better?
No it's not better. Not having a contact us email address doesn't have anything to do with the future gb. What about owners of previous products?
I checked the website and found this https://fox-lab.github.io/pages/contact.html
Post by: senter on Wed, 07 April 2021, 11:48:31
Did anyone catch Taeha's build stream of this yesterday? I only saw a minute, and it's not uploaded to his recent videos. What was his end verdict?
i watched the whole thing. he gave away two leaf65 at the end. it was stiffer than you would expect from a gasket mount called leaf. taeha was also surprised at how expensive it was. i pointed out that it is more expensive than time80RE. other than that pretty good.
/////////
i have mixed feelings about this GB. on their website there is not even a contact us link or support. no about us. no manual. no faq. no guide. no "if you have a problem with our product you can email us". nothing. it is quite .... arrogant and rude honestly.
Hmmm, judging me just based on a placeholder product page is pretty arrogant and rude in my opinion. I haven't formally announce the GB, and I'm still making changes on my website. Making the page active with 0 stock is to enable and test some of the apps on shopify.
Due to the recent USD/CNY exchange rate changes, $415 this year is $366 excluding the transaction fees in the last year, not counting the price incensements on basically all the materials. Does that sound a little better?
No it's not better. Not having a contact us email address doesn't have anything to do with the future gb. What about owners of previous products?
1. Time80RE was the first GB I run through the Shopify store. Before that, I communicate with buyers through my Gmail email.
2. For Time80RE, a packing list like blow is attached. Scanning the QR code can lead you to the guide. The contact information is also on the paper.
3. I do agree I'm not doing a perfect job. No one does. Though, I'm surprised how easily people can use words like "arrogant and rude" on someone you don't even know much.
(https://i.imgur.com/bIAWkep.png)
Post by: DaaDaa on Wed, 07 April 2021, 12:13:33
Did anyone catch Taeha's build stream of this yesterday? I only saw a minute, and it's not uploaded to his recent videos. What was his end verdict?
i watched the whole thing. he gave away two leaf65 at the end. it was stiffer than you would expect from a gasket mount called leaf. taeha was also surprised at how expensive it was. i pointed out that it is more expensive than time80RE. other than that pretty good.
/////////
i have mixed feelings about this GB. on their website there is not even a contact us link or support. no about us. no manual. no faq. no guide. no "if you have a problem with our product you can email us". nothing. it is quite .... arrogant and rude honestly.
Hmmm, judging me just based on a placeholder product page is pretty arrogant and rude in my opinion. I haven't formally announce the GB, and I'm still making changes on my website. Making the page active with 0 stock is to enable and test some of the apps on shopify.
Due to the recent USD/CNY exchange rate changes, $415 this year is $366 excluding the transaction fees in the last year, not counting the price incensements on basically all the materials. Does that sound a little better?
No it's not better. Not having a contact us email address doesn't have anything to do with the future gb. What about owners of previous products?
1. Time80RE was the first GB I run through the Shopify store. Before that, I communicate with buyers through my Gmail email.
2. For Time80RE, a packing list like blow is attached. Scanning the QR code can lead you to the guide. The contact information is also on the paper.
3. I do agree I'm not doing a perfect job. No one does. Though, I'm surprised how easily people can use words like "arrogant and rude" on someone you don't even know much.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/bIAWkep.png)
you got defensive too quickly. not only i have called your keyboardsd "works of art" on many forums and discords i have spent a lot of money buying them on mechmarket and have been following this so i can buy more. i do have a problem that if you get defensive from someone who is very much a supporter then how would you treat someone who might be much newer than i am and might have a problem or critisim at some point.
i recently had a defective pcb from another small keyboard manufacturer. i was initially shocked to see that there was no support section or email or phone number explicitly listed on their website. but thankfully they had an active discord and they replied on discord in minutes. when i am asking you why not have an "about us" section who tells people who are they trusting with their money or have a way of answering people's concerns, there is literally no reason that you should get defensive. just recently there has been examples of both keyboard and keycap makers who have gone MIA after taking money from people so asking for a little transparency is not arrogant, refusing it is arrogant.
Post by: mr_foggy on Wed, 07 April 2021, 12:21:40
Post by: Jacki on Wed, 07 April 2021, 12:42:22
Question: Any plans on adding polycarbonate Plates for the GB?
If not will the plate files be available after GB?
Post by: alignace on Wed, 07 April 2021, 12:44:34
Hi Senter,
I was doublechecking the color options for the case at foxlab.store/products/leaf-65 and saw no purple or lilac. At the beginning of this thread you mentioned full lilac could be an option, is this not the case anymore, and the colors on the product page are the final colorways?Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210224/d2144a832320edccba87e3e4b0875e22.jpg)
unfortunately, we weren't able to adjust the lilac color ⊙︿⊙
Weren't able to adjust the lilac color meaning cant color-match to the exact shade of purple in the picture? Would any other shade of light purple be possible?
Any chance we could get any more photos / renders of the e-beige colour please?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/WtUICQT.jpg)
Here's a comparison between E-beige and E-white
Also is it me or does the e-white look slightly silver and the e-beige like a light gold in the picture?
Post by: tsolin01 on Wed, 07 April 2021, 13:26:53
Did anyone catch Taeha's build stream of this yesterday? I only saw a minute, and it's not uploaded to his recent videos. What was his end verdict?
i watched the whole thing. he gave away two leaf65 at the end. it was stiffer than you would expect from a gasket mount called leaf. taeha was also surprised at how expensive it was. i pointed out that it is more expensive than time80RE. other than that pretty good.
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i have mixed feelings about this GB. on their website there is not even a contact us link or support. no about us. no manual. no faq. no guide. no "if you have a problem with our product you can email us". nothing. it is quite .... arrogant and rude honestly.
Hmmm, judging me just based on a placeholder product page is pretty arrogant and rude in my opinion. I haven't formally announce the GB, and I'm still making changes on my website. Making the page active with 0 stock is to enable and test some of the apps on shopify.
Due to the recent USD/CNY exchange rate changes, $415 this year is $366 excluding the transaction fees in the last year, not counting the price incensements on basically all the materials. Does that sound a little better?
No it's not better. Not having a contact us email address doesn't have anything to do with the future gb. What about owners of previous products?
1. Time80RE was the first GB I run through the Shopify store. Before that, I communicate with buyers through my Gmail email.
2. For Time80RE, a packing list like blow is attached. Scanning the QR code can lead you to the guide. The contact information is also on the paper.
3. I do agree I'm not doing a perfect job. No one does. Though, I'm surprised how easily people can use words like "arrogant and rude" on someone you don't even know much.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/bIAWkep.png)
Wow I love the QR code link to a build guide! I can't think of any other boards that even do this. 9/10 times I figure the build on my own or look up something on youtube so including this is definitely appreciated!
Post by: Clone6001 on Wed, 07 April 2021, 14:20:30
Hi Senter,
I was doublechecking the color options for the case at foxlab.store/products/leaf-65 and saw no purple or lilac. At the beginning of this thread you mentioned full lilac could be an option, is this not the case anymore, and the colors on the product page are the final colorways?Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210224/d2144a832320edccba87e3e4b0875e22.jpg)
unfortunately, we weren't able to adjust the lilac color ⊙︿⊙
Weren't able to adjust the lilac color meaning cant color-match to the exact shade of purple in the picture? Would any other shade of light purple be possible?Any chance we could get any more photos / renders of the e-beige colour please?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/WtUICQT.jpg)
Here's a comparison between E-beige and E-white
Also is it me or does the e-white look slightly silver and the e-beige like a light gold in the picture?
I can't speak for the beige but minterly did a build with an E-white board and it looked pretty good
Post by: Nishikienrai on Wed, 07 April 2021, 14:41:11
Did anyone catch Taeha's build stream of this yesterday? I only saw a minute, and it's not uploaded to his recent videos. What was his end verdict?
i watched the whole thing. he gave away two leaf65 at the end. it was stiffer than you would expect from a gasket mount called leaf. taeha was also surprised at how expensive it was. i pointed out that it is more expensive than time80RE. other than that pretty good.
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i have mixed feelings about this GB. on their website there is not even a contact us link or support. no about us. no manual. no faq. no guide. no "if you have a problem with our product you can email us". nothing. it is quite .... arrogant and rude honestly.
Hmmm, judging me just based on a placeholder product page is pretty arrogant and rude in my opinion. I haven't formally announce the GB, and I'm still making changes on my website. Making the page active with 0 stock is to enable and test some of the apps on shopify.
Due to the recent USD/CNY exchange rate changes, $415 this year is $366 excluding the transaction fees in the last year, not counting the price incensements on basically all the materials. Does that sound a little better?
No it's not better. Not having a contact us email address doesn't have anything to do with the future gb. What about owners of previous products?
1. Time80RE was the first GB I run through the Shopify store. Before that, I communicate with buyers through my Gmail email.
2. For Time80RE, a packing list like blow is attached. Scanning the QR code can lead you to the guide. The contact information is also on the paper.
3. I do agree I'm not doing a perfect job. No one does. Though, I'm surprised how easily people can use words like "arrogant and rude" on someone you don't even know much.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/bIAWkep.png)
you got defensive too quickly. not only i have called your keyboardsd "works of art" on many forums and discords i have spent a lot of money buying them on mechmarket and have been following this so i can buy more. i do have a problem that if you get defensive from someone who is very much a supporter then how would you treat someone who might be much newer than i am and might have a problem or critisim at some point.
i recently had a defective pcb from another small keyboard manufacturer. i was initially shocked to see that there was no support section or email or phone number explicitly listed on their website. but thankfully they had an active discord and they replied on discord in minutes. when i am asking you why not have an "about us" section who tells people who are they trusting with their money or have a way of answering people's concerns, there is literally no reason that you should get defensive. just recently there has been examples of both keyboard and keycap makers who have gone MIA after taking money from people so asking for a little transparency is not arrogant, refusing it is arrogant.
He does have a contact. If you spent 10 seconds looking at the bottom of the things they've replied to, you'll see "Plate files and information: https://fox-lab.github.io" which has his information in the top right... It's crazy how entitled and arrogant you sound even though you apparently can't be bothered to use your eyes to look at the things in front of you. Even a 5 second google search of "Fox Lab Keyboards" their Github link is the first thing that pops up with the description literally having "Group Buys About Contact".
Post by: meenacraft on Wed, 07 April 2021, 15:37:11
Hi Senter,
I was doublechecking the color options for the case at foxlab.store/products/leaf-65 and saw no purple or lilac. At the beginning of this thread you mentioned full lilac could be an option, is this not the case anymore, and the colors on the product page are the final colorways?Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210224/d2144a832320edccba87e3e4b0875e22.jpg)
unfortunately, we weren't able to adjust the lilac color ⊙︿⊙
Well that's super sad, it was a beautiful finish :( Could we get some more IRL pictures of the pink powdercoat case? Also, could we choose to have the FR4 plate as the default plate option instead of only as an extra?
Post by: dommyy13 on Wed, 07 April 2021, 17:18:30
Post by: senter on Wed, 07 April 2021, 18:32:21
Thanks for all the updates!
Question: Any plans on adding polycarbonate Plates for the GB?
If not will the plate files be available after GB?
I don't plan to add polycarbonate plates this time. We already have aluminum, brass, and FR4.
Yes, I share plate files for all keyboard kits from me.
Post by: senter on Wed, 07 April 2021, 18:41:53
Hi Senter,
I was doublechecking the color options for the case at foxlab.store/products/leaf-65 and saw no purple or lilac. At the beginning of this thread you mentioned full lilac could be an option, is this not the case anymore, and the colors on the product page are the final colorways?Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210224/d2144a832320edccba87e3e4b0875e22.jpg)
unfortunately, we weren't able to adjust the lilac color ⊙︿⊙
Well that's super sad, it was a beautiful finish :( Could we get some more IRL pictures of the pink powdercoat case? Also, could we choose to have the FR4 plate as the default plate option instead of only as an extra?
(https://i.imgur.com/dRjwZUN.jpg)
FR4 is the only option doesn't fit the rule that the plate and weight must be in the same material and color. I really suggest you to try the default skeleton plate or pay $25 more for an extra FR4 one.
Post by: Jacki on Wed, 07 April 2021, 19:34:16
Alright no problem.Thanks for all the updates!
Question: Any plans on adding polycarbonate Plates for the GB?
If not will the plate files be available after GB?
I don't plan to add polycarbonate plates this time. We already have aluminum, brass, and FR4.
Yes, I share plate files for all keyboard kits from me.
What is the thickness of the plates,
so i can cut the right size.
Post by: TheSlickRick on Thu, 08 April 2021, 10:47:00
Post by: meenacraft on Thu, 08 April 2021, 10:51:38
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/dRjwZUN.jpg)
FR4 is the only option doesn't fit the rule that the plate and weight must be in the same material and color. I really suggest you to try the default skeleton plate or pay $25 more for an extra FR4 one.
OK makes sense wrt the FR4, I'll probably end up getting a skeleton and a FR4 backup! And ty for the picture,
(https://i.imgur.com/OUo9Pjm.png) On further inspection, I think this is the PC case with a pink powder coat weight and plate, if I'm not mistaken
Post by: pcire on Thu, 08 April 2021, 13:47:37
Post by: elongatedmusk on Thu, 08 April 2021, 15:21:54
Couldn't find it anywhere esp since it's starting very soon
Post by: Tsumi on Thu, 08 April 2021, 15:40:15
Will the GB be unlimited or with a soft cap?
Post by: SekaiJutsu on Thu, 08 April 2021, 19:01:54
Post by: Jet1370 on Thu, 08 April 2021, 19:12:55
Post by: CookieFlow on Thu, 08 April 2021, 21:06:45
Post by: NixieTea on Thu, 08 April 2021, 23:53:25
Post by: NixieTea on Fri, 09 April 2021, 01:04:39
Is the GB still planned to run this week, or is it delayed?I’m dumb, haha. According to insta, GB starts today at 8 PM ET
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Post by: mcheddadi on Fri, 09 April 2021, 02:36:37
https://www.zfrontier.com/app/flow/45aqZ63Yn85J
Post by: prognostics on Fri, 09 April 2021, 06:52:34
Is the GB still planned to run this week, or is it delayed?I’m dumb, haha. According to insta, GB starts today at 8 PM ET
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Thank you for updating those of us on GH who aren't on IG :thumb:
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Leaf65 GB starts on April 9th at 8 PM ET and will last 1 week. The link in bio will work then."
Post by: 8six753o9 on Fri, 09 April 2021, 10:02:54
Would we be allowed to buy an extra badge in different color? I would love to do a 2-tone board like the lilac sample you had in the original post but it looks like the weight and badge will be the same color in the store.
(https://i.imgur.com/14aAvNI.png)
Post by: ZongZiWang on Fri, 09 April 2021, 12:04:56
Also some good options of “what can be achieved” in the IC are not available during group buy (I’d like to have the lilac and the modern dolch gray+teal colors), which is a huge bummer.
Post by: leexy on Fri, 09 April 2021, 12:40:18
FR4 is the only option doesn't fit the rule that the plate and weight must be in the same material and color. I really suggest you to try the default skeleton plate or pay $25 more for an extra FR4 one.
hi senter, skeleton plate was not available during CN gb? will it be available as extras?
also, as someone asked before, will pcbs be compatible with key65?
Post by: succulentdan on Fri, 09 April 2021, 13:20:24
Post by: _Harrison on Fri, 09 April 2021, 13:31:56
Count me in :)
Post by: ZongZiWang on Fri, 09 April 2021, 13:40:19
I'm curious how the board sounds without foam? I've seen minterly's review and taeha's build where he mentioned it sounds a bit muted with the foam installed. I'm curious if the foam was added later in the design, or always an intended part. Definitely loving the design and color options but at $415, i'm just a bitttt on the fence.
Me, too. Hope there are streamers or prototypes out there without foam to show how does that sound.
Post by: senter on Fri, 09 April 2021, 18:59:02
GB starts now. I'll answer questions here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=112202.0