Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 21 July 2021, 06:36:48
If ne1 is still thinking about owning the libs.
https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/covid-19-data-insights/covid-19-cases-by-vaccination-status/
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Post by: chyros on Wed, 21 July 2021, 08:42:05
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 21 July 2021, 09:18:13
Post by: yui on Wed, 21 July 2021, 14:59:57
Lying either way is bad, even for the right reasons, you will give ammo to the opposition by lying...
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 21 July 2021, 16:25:18
EDIT-
Oh i see. Since Jan 1 of this year. What date was the vaccine available? Don't remember.
EDIT AGAIN --
Looks like the first doses of vaccine landed in VA around mid Dec 2020. 7 months with only 18 breaktrhough deaths for 4.2million shots. Holy smokes, those are pretty good numbers. Hard to overlook that. But what would the anti-vaxers say? I'm sure something about sterile, baby-eating lizard people and space lasers.
Post by: cest73 on Wed, 21 July 2021, 17:38:27
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 21 July 2021, 17:46:36
Sadly it's not a vaccine it's a gene therapy
Gene therapy is not a protected term, so it can refer to alot of things/ medical procedures.
What is the beef with gene therapy, is it not still good ? it's got therapy in the name does it not ?
Your DNA changes all the time as it responds to environmental stimuli even if nothing was injected. Just from the food a person eats, it changes gene expression.
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 21 July 2021, 18:59:44
Sadly it's not a vaccine it's a gene therapy
Ha. Do enlighten why that's a sad thing. Sadly, i got a bag full of gold instead of a bag full of peanuts? Is it like that?
Post by: cest73 on Thu, 22 July 2021, 03:33:58
Sadly it's not a vaccine it's a gene therapy
Ha. Do enlighten why that's a sad thing. Sadly, i got a bag full of gold instead of a bag full of peanuts? Is it like that?
It is not a bag of something, it is more like you paid for a bus ride ("get vaccine") but you took part in a massive car accident ("gene therapy")
If my DNA (or RNA for that matter) changes by food and environment already, it does so by inputs that are consistent with at least several generations now even be it across the globe - food is surprisingly uniform chemistry and DNA - or you are on the quick way to ER or cemetery, depending on the particular case.Sadly it's not a vaccine it's a gene therapy
Gene therapy is not a protected term, so it can refer to alot of things/ medical procedures.
What is the beef with gene therapy, is it not still good ? it's got therapy in the name does it not ?
Your DNA changes all the time as it responds to environmental stimuli even if nothing was injected. Just from the food a person eats, it changes gene expression.
With synthesized industrial whatever - well, what can i say, it's not something your gran'pa ate and lived to procreate your father, we are yet to see how this all pans out in the long term, once smoking too was prescribed to pregnant woman by the very doctors of that time and DDT was advertised as safe as taking a shower, along asbestos, lead and FCKW (OG spray propellant gas)...
All i say is something is not good just because it is shiny and new, it has to be proven by time too.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 22 July 2021, 05:50:02
99.5% of people who died due to COVID-19 in Texas from Feb. 8 to July 14 were unvaccinated, while 0.5% were the result of “breakthrough infections,” which DSHS defines as people who contracted the virus two weeks after being fully vaccinated.
Thanks Gene Therapy. Some prefer death, owning the libs
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 22 July 2021, 22:24:27
If my DNA (or RNA for that matter) changes by food and environment already, it does so by inputs that are consistent with at least several generations now even be it across the globe - food is surprisingly uniform chemistry and DNA - or you are on the quick way to ER or cemetery, depending on the particular case.
With synthesized industrial whatever - well, what can i say, it's not something your gran'pa ate and lived to procreate your father, we are yet to see how this all pans out in the long term, once smoking too was prescribed to pregnant woman by the very doctors of that time and DDT was advertised as safe as taking a shower, along asbestos, lead and FCKW (OG spray propellant gas)...
All i say is something is not good just because it is shiny and new, it has to be proven by time too.
Yes, those chemicals were bad, yes, the companies all said they were safe, our gov. (like many) doesn't pre-test industrial chemicals like it does drugs, it's reactive, not pro-active, it relies on the companies to tell it whether something is is safe and well, they lie.
Food and drugs however are are pro-active but that is relatively new. Doctors did used to prescribe that, the key word is used to, regulations have changed since then and today it's difficult to get a doctor to recommend an off-label use and when they do, they usually make darn sure they know what they're getting into before hand.
Post by: yui on Fri, 23 July 2021, 00:51:14
i am not a biologist, but from the extensive reading and sci-show watching i did, i think you are both either very very wrong or partially wrongSadly it's not a vaccine it's a gene therapy
Gene therapy is not a protected term, so it can refer to alot of things/ medical procedures.
What is the beef with gene therapy, is it not still good ? it's got therapy in the name does it not ?
Your DNA changes all the time as it responds to environmental stimuli even if nothing was injected. Just from the food a person eats, it changes gene expression.
it is not proper gene therapy, it does not have any long lasting DNA modification, just hijacking cells the produce fake viruses like a normal virus would do (well a normal one would not produce fakes).
and for TP, no your DNA does not change with what you eat, well not in a controlled manner, it get damaged by oxygen and random radiations as time goes on, (and it is a rather good thing that DNA does not change with the food you eat, imagine you hate and asparagus and grew 30cm and became blonde, well more likely eat something and get instant cancer), external stimuli can change some response over long times but not nearly as much as your response seem to imply, and only responses to the DNA changes not the DNA itself.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 23 July 2021, 05:06:46
external stimuli can change some response over long times but not nearly as much as your response seem to imply, and only responses to the DNA changes not the DNA itself.
Incorrect, dna can be upregulated/downregulated. The LARGEST external chemical exposure any animal engages in is food intake, both in volume and contact area.
Even behavior such as paternal stress response can be tracked and correlated through offspring born in different time periods, clear indication of dna impact.
It wouldn't make ANY SENSE for dna to be non-modifiable by the body. We share the same genetic root as plants, humans are 70% in common with a tree.
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 23 July 2021, 07:46:46
it's difficult to get a doctor to recommend an off-label use
Regulations are frighteningly lame. Fear of lawsuits is what actually holds them back, one of the rare instances where "the markets" are more influential than "regulations" in a positive way.
Post by: yui on Fri, 23 July 2021, 18:37:19
[/size][/color]external stimuli can change some response over long times but not nearly as much as your response seem to imply, and only responses to the DNA changes not the DNA itself.
Incorrect, dna can be upregulated/downregulated. The LARGEST external chemical exposure any animal engages in is food intake, both in volume and contact area.
so you are just saying incorrect and talk about regulation, and then go back to food, although most chemicals that you eat do never reach your bloodstream at least not unmodified, and of that small part only very few interact with any DNA chemistry, and then only very few in a negative manner, and if they do it is randomly. although lack of some chemicals, like, by example, by excluding a whole half of what humans evolved eating, can lead to issues too.
so stress is one of the things we are pretty sure does affect how cells interpret the DNA, although last i checked it was still not fully proven and still debated... correlation != causation (for peoples not used to C-like languages != means not equal)
Even behavior such as paternal stress response can be tracked and correlated through offspring born in different time periods, clear indication of dna impact.
well yes it would, plants and humans have a hell of a lot in common, both multicellular organisms moving chemicals to produce, store and use energy to stay alive, both use different means to achieve this but we have a huge base in common. and i still do not understand why that would make DNA modifiable. DNA is partially ignored under the right circumstances, it happens pretty much all of the time, your brain cells ignores the muscle cells part of the DNA, but they both have a full copy.
It wouldn't make ANY SENSE for dna to be non-modifiable by the body. We share the same genetic root as plants, humans are 70% in common with a tree.
just as a quick example, if your DNA changed at will, how could you trace someone with their DNA decades later?
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 23 July 2021, 19:16:33
In the most likely scenario, Lessler says, the U.S. reaches only 70% vaccination among eligible Americans, and the delta variant is 60% more transmissible.
In that scenario, at the peak in mid-October, there would be around 60,000 cases and around 850 deaths each day, Lessler says.
Each scenario also includes a range of how bad things could get — the very worst end of the range for the most likely scenario shows about 240,000 people getting infected and 4,000 people dying each day at the October peak, which would be almost as bad as last winter.
J.Lessler
PhD, Epidemiology, Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, 2008
MHS, Biostatistics, Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, 2008
MS, Computer Science, Stanford University, 2003
BS, Mathematical Sciences, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, 1996
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 23 July 2021, 23:46:00
Want it to stop...
Don't mandate it, it will only galvanize the right and add fuel to the fire. The people who wanted the shot already got it, those who dont wont.
Here's an alternative idea.
Keep the free vaccines, next month they become fully approved, at that point employers, insurance, schools can all mandate it. So what you do is make an announcement that as of Oct 1 no more federal assistance for anything other than the vaccine itself. This gives people 2 months to get the shot before medical coverage ends. This destroys the Right's claim that hospitals are pumping numbers for the cash by claiming non-covid patients are labeled covid, destroys the claim that the left will force them to get the shot and puts the burden on them.
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 24 July 2021, 07:38:56
insurance .... can all mandate it.
This gives people 2 months to get the shot before medical coverage ends.
That is a good idea, and it would work, but I don't think it can be done. First, health care providers will still be stuck with taking care of sick people regardless.
Second, I would speculate that the overwhelming majority of those who refuse a vaccine are the least-educated and lowest tier consumers to have been susceptible to anti-vax propaganda in the first place.
But the real danger is allowing insurance companies to start carving out exceptions again, kind of a pre-existing condition in reverse. That is a slippery slope that nobody wants to step out on.
What popped into my mind when I read your post was thinking about a life insurance policy that I took out years ago. As the agent was going through it with me, he got to the "suicide exception" and explained that it was a 2-year exception. That is, if I had committed suicide during the first 2 years it would not have paid out, but after 2 years it would have. What a thought!
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 24 July 2021, 08:48:11
Post by: suicidal_orange on Sat, 24 July 2021, 09:09:38
From the perspective of climate change, this disastrous chain of events may be a net positive. Thoughts ?I've said since day 1 - survival of the fittest in action. Originally I thought 100% infection rate and only the strong/healthy would survive, then people with brains who bothered to wear masks and actually do social distancing but at the end of the day it may well be those who are sensible enough to get injected (which may work out better, as you always try to convince me a world with no stupid people doing menial jobs would not be a pleasant place to live)
Only problem is the rich people who have the most gas guzzling cars and biggest houses to heat and cool are not the ones dying. Though it is likely those who ignore medical advice on vaccination also ignore warnings about too much red meat and such so it might help this angle too.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 24 July 2021, 09:26:25
From the perspective of climate change, this disastrous chain of events may be a net positive. Thoughts ?I've said since day 1 - survival of the fittest in action. Originally I thought 100% infection rate and only the strong/healthy would survive, then people with brains who bothered to wear masks and actually do social distancing but at the end of the day it may well be those who are sensible enough to get injected (which may work out better, as you always try to convince me a world with no stupid people doing menial jobs would not be a pleasant place to live)
Only problem is the rich people who have the most gas guzzling cars and biggest houses to heat and cool are not the ones dying. Though it is likely those who ignore medical advice on vaccination also ignore warnings about too much red meat and such so it might help this angle too.
The uber-rich have a tremendously Criminal carbon foot print. But, relative to the whole, it is not nearly as damaging as every person eating 3-5 hamberdurs every day. So, really its more so the social impact of their apparent bad-behavior that does the damage, less so their personal vehicles. I agree these are not separate events, it's all 1 bad move.
The rich guy dines on artery clogging cancer meat, so the poor person thinks, hey I want some, where's my cancer meat.
Rich guy: so you WANT cancer meat
_Poor guy: YES
Rich guy: well here you go
_Poor guy: Awesome
Rich guy: btw, here's this $100,000-300,000 heart / cancer treatment you can also pay me for. The entirety of your lifesavings.
_Poor guy: Yippie, FREEE Healthcare. (it ain't free, paid by other poor guys's children, and children's children)
Post by: Leslieann on Sat, 24 July 2021, 21:28:09
That is a good idea, and it would work, but I don't think it can be done. First, health care providers will still be stuck with taking care of sick people regardless.
Second, I would speculate that the overwhelming majority of those who refuse a vaccine are the least-educated and lowest tier consumers to have been susceptible to anti-vax propaganda in the first place.
But the real danger is allowing insurance companies to start carving out exceptions again, kind of a pre-existing condition in reverse. That is a slippery slope that nobody wants to step out on.
The pre-existing condition thing is a wrinkle I missed, but it doesn't matter. Let insurance cover it then, it will push them to fight harder for people to get the shot (why wade into a firestorm for no reason) and you still have the copay which will be insane and force people to take notice. Heath care providers already get stuck footing bills and us bailing them out, no change there. They write off a ton on taxes, it's also why so many are run by religious groups, it lets them write off even more. Besides, it doesn't exactly bother me if insurance companies got raked over the coals for this.
As for being poor, cutting them off means employers will now be left holding the bag, no more handouts for employees being out sick, no more bailouts for lost sales... Employers will now have to deal with the idea of suddenly having 80% of their work force out sick due to Covid or mandate they get a shot to maintain employment.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 25 July 2021, 06:01:07
Aaron Owen, general manager of Ozark Empire Fair, told CNN. "I've worried about it all, I know (the Delta variant) is real. But farmers and agriculture folks put their livelihood at stake on this. There's lots of factors that we have to take into consideration."
He said people won't be required to wear face masks
Owen said he sold 70,000 tickets in 2020 and says he believes that there was no evidence of Covid spread, based on conversations he had with some vendors after the fair. More vendors will be in attendance this year than last.
Greene County, MO, where the fair is held has a completed vaccination rate of about 35%
This will turn out great. (https://cutekawaiiresources.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/125.gif?w=560)
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 25 July 2021, 17:55:59
Fohat, you tell us, this guy work'n for the ruskies ?
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 25 July 2021, 21:05:10
Post by: jamster on Sun, 25 July 2021, 22:41:23
On top of the following, once school starts up again, students will either need to be vaccinated or do daily tests at at cost of EUR30.
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Starting in August, anyone in France entering a café, restaurant, shopping center, or hospital, or taking a long-distance train, will have to show a special COVID-19 health pass, President Emmanuel Macron announced on July 12, 2021.
The increased restrictions in public spaces are aimed at containing the rapid spread of the highly transmissible Delta variant in the country.
The health pass — known officially as the EU Digital COVID Certificate — shows whether a person has been vaccinated against COVID-19, received a recent negative test result, or recovered from COVID-19.
Anyone over the age of 12 will also be required to show the pass to visit a movie theater, museum, live theater, theme park, or cultural center starting July 21.
Within 48 hours of Macron’s announcement, more than 2.2 million vaccination appointments were booked online, according to a tweet from Our World in Data’s Edouard Mathieu.
Post by: yui on Mon, 26 July 2021, 01:28:36
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 26 July 2021, 08:02:52
vaccination does not fully prevent the disease
an essential tool to control the spread of it and of the new variants
And the corollary to that is that the more that the spread is reduced, the fewer and slower will variants develop in the first place.
Post by: yui on Mon, 26 July 2021, 16:43:24
what i mean is that both are needed, as neither are a full solution. you most definitely need to get vaccinated, but also getting tested so that vaccinated symptom-less cases can get detected and not spread at all, reducing overall spread even more.vaccination does not fully prevent the diseaseAnd the corollary to that is that the more that the spread is reduced, the fewer and slower will variants develop in the first place.
an essential tool to control the spread of it and of the new variants
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 27 July 2021, 08:15:51
Dr. David De La Zerda, the ICU director at Jackson Memorial Hospital, says he’s seeing patients regretting not getting vaccinated. The majority that they are treating right now are between the ages of 25 and 45.
“Most of them are saying, ‘Why didn’t I get vaccinated?” he said. “Before we admit them to the ICU, we see them on the floor. That’s the No. 1 comment. ‘I am so so ashamed I didn’t get [the vaccine] before and it’s too late.’”
“These Delta variant cases are shedding thousand-fold (viral load) more virus than the original, and remember, any protection can be overwhelmed with an overwhelming dose,” Marty said. “And so now we’ve got the unvaccinated shedding outrageous amount of virus, and yes you’re vaccinated, but in an enclosed space, your immunity can be overwhelmed by these high-dose infections.
__within a week we could be back to the peak situation of a few months ago.
Seems like Delta has much stronger atk-p0wer, its DPS can kill young people, just imagine 1000x dps end game item
Research suggests, Delta has up-to 1250x viral load, heightened evasion of antibodies, 33% faster incubation 4 days vs 6 days, approximately 2x-3x as transmissible,.
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 27 July 2021, 08:40:56
within a week we could be back to the peak situation of a few months ago
And Putin will be gratified knowing that his work was successful.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 27 July 2021, 08:51:15
within a week we could be back to the peak situation of a few months ago
And Putin will be gratified knowing that his work was successful.
Don't like it when they use the timeline on Weeks, a week is 7 days, Tp4 does basically nohting in 7 days, annnnd, bam everyone's already ded.
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 27 July 2021, 09:09:14
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 27 July 2021, 10:17:29
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 28 July 2021, 07:01:24
US vaccination rate has stalled.
It's pretty much half, which is frightening, these people are on the highway for heck
https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/
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Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 28 July 2021, 19:51:45
Some have Died.
https://www.houstonpress.com/news/at-texas-childrens-some-kids-with-covid-need-ventilators-11610665
Parents should just buy Star Trek blurays, There's nothing kids learn in school that isn't better taught by Star Trek.
Math might be the only subject that needs some home-schooling effort, everything else, just watch the blurays.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 28 July 2021, 20:13:11
This means, even if a person is vaccinated he should wear a mask.
That's pretty insane, Between THIS, and trump voters, this is never going to end.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 28 July 2021, 21:13:55
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Post by: wowaweewa on Thu, 29 July 2021, 06:12:10
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 29 July 2021, 06:32:29
Does 'notfully vaccinated' include people who have only had their first shot, not yet the second? In that case you can't really say these deaths are all anti vaxers.It's a small enough difference that it wouldn't change the large picture, because it's not the only reason to get vaccinated.
Yes we want to prevent death, but preventing direct death is secondary to preventing NEW INFECTIONS. The vaccine's primary goal is infection control. NOT dying is a happy side effect of being part of that process.
Post by: chyros on Thu, 29 July 2021, 10:06:39
I was under the impression that the priorities were the exact other way around Oo . As long as people don't end up in the hospital and overflow them.Does 'notfully vaccinated' include people who have only had their first shot, not yet the second? In that case you can't really say these deaths are all anti vaxers.It's a small enough difference that it wouldn't change the large picture, because it's not the only reason to get vaccinated.
Yes we want to prevent death, but preventing direct death is secondary to preventing NEW INFECTIONS. The vaccine's primary goal is infection control. NOT dying is a happy side effect of being part of that process.
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 29 July 2021, 12:37:23
I was under the impression that the priorities were the exact other way around
On the micro level we each want to avoid getting sick, but the macro goal is to blanket the entire society with protection and de-escalate spread and mutation.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 30 July 2021, 07:51:26
Sarah Nafziger, M.D., vice president of UAB Hospital Clinical Services, said Thursday that Alabama now has the highest COVID positivity rate in the country.
According to the Alabama Department of Public Health (ADPH), Alabama’s percent positive rate is 21.5% as of July 29, 2021.
Nafziger said people are starting to fill up hospitals again and 97 percent of the people who are being treated for COVID-19 are unvaccinated.
The average age of admitted COVID-19 patients is about 55 years old. She said the difference is Alabama’s older population, 65 and older, took the vaccine. That is keeping them out of the hospital.
“To me it’s like jumping out of an airplane without a parachute. We have a parachute, why would you jump out of an airplane without a parachute?” Asked Nafziger.
___ Tp4 would love a free parachute, they're super expensive.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 30 July 2021, 08:00:16
The document strikes an urgent note, revealing the agency knows it must revamp its public messaging to emphasize vaccination as the best defense against a variant so contagious that it acts almost like a different novel virus, leaping from target to target more swiftly than Ebola or the common cold.
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Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 30 July 2021, 08:19:24
leaping from target to target
The cold analogy is good but the Ebola comparison is spurious. Ebola requires body fluids.
https://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/index.html (https://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/index.html)
Airborne infections are the most frightening and difficult to control.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 30 July 2021, 08:29:52
Airborne infections are the most frightening and difficult to control.
has fohat.oldman played Plague Inc ?
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 30 July 2021, 08:45:51
Woah.. that's pretty serious.. Mass has among the highest vacc rates.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 30 July 2021, 09:01:36
WTH, why do they call it that, so ominous
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 30 July 2021, 09:15:33
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Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 30 July 2021, 09:43:22
Delta variant responsible for 70% infections.
Any chance that the olympics will be interrupted ?
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 30 July 2021, 09:45:54
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 30 July 2021, 09:48:19
I always get paranoid even being vaxxed that it won't do anything. It's just like driving a car, it only takes one idiot who doesn't care, and BAM you're dead if you have your seatbelt on or not.
At this point, that's exactly what has happened.
The vaccine still protects you from hospitalizations and death.
It just isn't strong enough to stop transmission of delta variant. WHICH MEANS, for ALL circumstances involve other hughmahns, we will need to wear masks.
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 30 July 2021, 10:01:56
if you have your seatbelt on or not
The seat belt analogy is actually a very good one to the vaccination scenario.
Nearly 90% of Americans wear seat belts but over half of deaths are of people without them.
https://www.cdc.gov/transportationsafety/seatbeltbrief/index.html (https://www.cdc.gov/transportationsafety/seatbeltbrief/index.html)
Post by: chyros on Sat, 31 July 2021, 04:35:49
Florida Hospital declares CODE BLACK, as cases near last summer's peak.. ??It means people dying left and right, in a mediaeval Europe way. It's supposed to sound ominous.
WTH, why do they call it that, so ominous
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 31 July 2021, 07:48:34
We started seeing in June and definitely in July, kids coming in the hospital that were sick with COVID. So respiratory infections, pneumonia, requiring oxygen, requiring assistance to breathe, so that's definitely a change. And just in the month of July we've committed over 40 children to the children's hospital with COVID infections and a number of those have ended up in the intensive care unit. I have to emphasize as well that at least half of those children that we've admitted are over the age 12, so eligible for a vaccine and none, zero had been fully vaccinated. So, this is a preventable disease and we're highly encouraging parents to vaccinate.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 31 July 2021, 10:15:19
Austin health officials warn there are 16 staffed ICU beds left for 2.3 million residents as COVID cases surge.
So.. like, i could've sworn we've been here before, but ALSO, how is that a warning ? 16 left. come get yours soooonish, no hurry. It's basically the same as saying we've run out already.
2.3 million residents.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 31 July 2021, 11:42:27
Texas reached the milestone Wednesday, hitting 53,275 covid-deaths, defeating New York for 2nd most.
At 1 point, Texas was trailing NewYork by 29,000.
Since then, though Texas is 54 percent more populous, more than twice as many Texans as New Yorkers have succumbed to COVID-19.
California, the most populous state, 1st in the nation with 64,372 virus deaths.
Post by: yui on Sun, 01 August 2021, 08:45:32
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 01 August 2021, 08:55:46
oh so that is why there is so many anti vaxxersm they try to beat each other death toll :) well there has been cleverer games around, but still better than going to bomb civilians in 3rd world countries.
Lollapalooza music festival is happening RIGHT NOW.. chicago gon' win.
it brings together ~100,000 people PER DAY for ~4 days, young people singing, drinking, yelling, doing droogs.. not a mask in sight.
Super spreader event amid DELTA V.
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Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 01 August 2021, 09:13:10
DES MOINES, Iowa -- With coronavirus cases rising throughout Iowa and around the nation, health experts are becoming increasingly worried about next month’s Iowa State Fair, which will bring more than 1 million people to Des Moines from around the state
Post by: suicidal_orange on Sun, 01 August 2021, 13:49:46
Texas:Sounds like it's time to kick out anyone who didn't bother to get vaccinated. Though if they all have to pay for care anyway (that's the American way, right?) can they?
Austin health officials warn there are 16 staffed ICU beds left for 2.3 million residents as COVID cases surge.
So.. like, i could've sworn we've been here before, but ALSO, how is that a warning ? 16 left. come get yours soooonish, no hurry. It's basically the same as saying we've run out already.
2.3 million residents.
Post by: wowaweewa on Sun, 01 August 2021, 17:13:42
Japan expands state of emergency as infections surpass 10,000, 3865(tokyo).
Delta variant responsible for 70% infections.
Any chance that the olympics will be interrupted ?
Of course not.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 02 August 2021, 09:25:56
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Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 02 August 2021, 09:34:54
Lollapolooza
Generally, I think of fresh air and sunlight as good disinfectants ....
Post by: Kavik on Mon, 02 August 2021, 13:10:40
Texas:Sounds like it's time to kick out anyone who didn't bother to get vaccinated. Though if they all have to pay for care anyway (that's the American way, right?) can they?
Austin health officials warn there are 16 staffed ICU beds left for 2.3 million residents as COVID cases surge.
So.. like, i could've sworn we've been here before, but ALSO, how is that a warning ? 16 left. come get yours soooonish, no hurry. It's basically the same as saying we've run out already.
2.3 million residents.
While I can understand the sentiment, the fact that all the vaccines are still under EUA means refusal to take one does not affect one's standard of care (according to the handout accompanied by the vaccines); although I don't think it would even if it had full FDA approval.
Post by: noisyturtle on Mon, 02 August 2021, 13:32:08
All this strange sex cannot be good for virus spreading. It is that moment where horniness overrides any good decision making or thought process for most people. Most people are animals and simply cannot control themselves.
As a prude noisy disapproves, but I do thank the Universe everyday for butt cheek pants.
While everyone's ****ing in the streets, I'll be far away behind a tree with binoculars in a 3-peice suite and my robot butler jerking me off so I don't actually have to touch my own disgusting body.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 02 August 2021, 19:16:42
3 pregnant women died from Covid-19 in the last month in Barcelona, Málaga and Murcia. But experts warn the real figure could be higher as the registry system is “not exhaustive.” “What’s more, there have been fetal deaths in at least Madrid and Mallorca, and numerous urgent C-sections due to the worsening state of the expectant mothers"
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 03 August 2021, 11:58:37
If this was civ, full blown plague may be imminent ?
Post by: Leslieann on Tue, 03 August 2021, 20:45:47
It would seem they've detected korona in white tailed deer, and rats beneath new york.You have your terms mixed up.
If this was civ, full blown plague may be imminent ?
Plague is a disease, it caused a pandemic/epidemic.
Covid is already the 8th largest in history by number of dead and it won't be long before it breaches the top 5.
Post by: chyros on Wed, 04 August 2021, 12:48:38
Everyone's dressing in less, ****ing more, just generally slutting it up all-around.Noisy must know some secrets. I've had little luck lately xD . Am trying to date again, but it's slow going atm!
Post by: Kavik on Wed, 04 August 2021, 14:00:57
Everyone's dressing in less, ****ing more, just generally slutting it up all-around.Noisy must know some secrets. I've had little luck lately xD . Am trying to date again, but it's slow going atm!
"Hello and welcome to this review of my new girlfriend. This one is a donation from a viewer. Thanks again, mate!" :thumb:
Post by: chyros on Wed, 04 August 2021, 16:46:51
Not into girls, but if I manage to snag a boyfriend through my reviews somehow, that'd be.... actually, I'm not sure how I'd feel about that xD .Everyone's dressing in less, ****ing more, just generally slutting it up all-around.Noisy must know some secrets. I've had little luck lately xD . Am trying to date again, but it's slow going atm!
"Hello and welcome to this review of my new girlfriend. This one is a donation from a viewer. Thanks again, mate!" :thumb:
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 04 August 2021, 17:31:23
Not into girls, but if I manage to snag a boyfriend through my reviews somehow, that'd be.... actually, I'm not sure how I'd feel about that xD .Everyone's dressing in less, ****ing more, just generally slutting it up all-around.Noisy must know some secrets. I've had little luck lately xD . Am trying to date again, but it's slow going atm!
"Hello and welcome to this review of my new girlfriend. This one is a donation from a viewer. Thanks again, mate!" :thumb:
I've seen how you store your keyboards in boxes on shelves. That seems cruel if someone sent you a man. Just sayin...
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 04 August 2021, 17:51:30
Not into girls, but if I manage to snag a boyfriend through my reviews somehow, that'd be.... actually, I'm not sure how I'd feel about that xD .Everyone's dressing in less, ****ing more, just generally slutting it up all-around.Noisy must know some secrets. I've had little luck lately xD . Am trying to date again, but it's slow going atm!
"Hello and welcome to this review of my new girlfriend. This one is a donation from a viewer. Thanks again, mate!" :thumb:
I've seen how you store your keyboards in boxes on shelves. That seems cruel if someone sent you a man. Just sayin...
oh my.... /takei
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 04 August 2021, 18:29:56
I've seen how you store your keyboards in boxes on shelves.
Perhaps he evaluates lovers as critically as he does keyboards, then stores the good ones in boxes and discards the inferior ones?
Post by: chyros on Thu, 05 August 2021, 05:48:46
Are you saying you guys DON'T do that?!
I've seen how you store your keyboards in boxes on shelves.
Perhaps he evaluates lovers as critically as he does keyboards, then stores the good ones in boxes and discards the inferior ones?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 05 August 2021, 07:04:27
Hospitalization record, 3rd day in a row. 140death per day. NO big deal though, says desaintis.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 05 August 2021, 07:20:04
DELTA vs the Delta- PLUS.
Delta is the fast spread higher viral load.
the PLUS, is a mutation of the spike protein which gives it higher evasion of the immune system.
-mostly been used interchangeably in recent news cycle.
LAMBDA-variant (from Peru), 3 new mutation.
senior researcher Kei Sato of the University of Tokyo believes "Lambda can be a potential threat to… human society".
"Because the Lambda variant is relatively resistant to the vaccine-induced antisera (blood serum containing antibodies against specific antigens), it might be possible that this variant is feasible to cause breakthrough infection.
Post by: Kavik on Thu, 05 August 2021, 10:47:49
So
DELTA vs the Delta- PLUS.
Delta is the fast spread higher viral load.
the PLUS, is a mutation of the spike protein which gives it higher evasion of the immune system.
-mostly been used interchangeably in recent news cycle.
LAMBDA-variant (from Peru), 3 new mutation.
senior researcher Kei Sato of the University of Tokyo believes "Lambda can be a potential threat to… human society".
"Because the Lambda variant is relatively resistant to the vaccine-induced antisera (blood serum containing antibodies against specific antigens), it might be possible that this variant is feasible to cause breakthrough infection.
This is why we need more than just vaccines to fight this. Vaccines are just one tool. Anti-virals, either repurposed old drugs (Ivermectin), or new, expensive, highly profitable drugs would be a good stop gap for the rest of the world to prevent mutations while vaccination is underway and also prevent selective pressure from the somewhat narrow protection from antibodies for one specific shape of one protein. We can hope the mutations become less lethal, but there's no guarantee of that.
I suppose with mRNA tech, we could quickly come up with new vaccines for the new version of the spike protein.
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 05 August 2021, 10:54:57
with mRNA tech
The human race has already proven that it can irreparably damage the planet "indirectly" by stoking global warming, soon we will see if we can make a frontal assault on the genetic process itself.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 05 August 2021, 15:46:54
Hospital staff -walking off the job, middle of shift-,
Single hospital, 200 nursing positions, unfilled.
Hospital occupancy redline, ambulances no where to go.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 06 August 2021, 09:16:28
135 children hospitalized
Arkansas:
Confirmed 3rd child died of corona. not alot, YET.....!!
Texas:
Hospitals shortstaffed, salary quadruple for temp nurses, no one showed up as hiring is no longer federal effort.
Houstan sewage system reports 320% higher lvls of covid detected.
7 States make up 50% of all covid cases:::
Florida, Texas, Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi,
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 06 August 2021, 09:23:10
In previous surges, up to 2% to 3% of child hospitalizations were coronavirus-related, according to Dr. Charles Hankins, Chief Medical Officer of CHRISTUS Health. The majority of these cases were teenage children with pre-existing health.
Currently, 10% of pediatric hospitalizations are coronavirus-related, and half of those young patients are in the ICU. According to Hankins, the Delta variant also hospitalizes children without underlying medical conditions.
This basically means , if you're an underlying conditioned young person, it's even MORE dangerous this time around.
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 06 August 2021, 09:28:45
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 06 August 2021, 09:56:54
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Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 06 August 2021, 21:21:23
I'm assuming this is not good::Not sure if the numbers I saw were for a state or the country but basically while not as high (yet) the infection rate is climbing faster than it was at peak last year.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 06 August 2021, 22:07:32
I'm assuming this is not good::Not sure if the numbers I saw were for a state or the country but basically while not as high (yet) the infection rate is climbing faster than it was at peak last year.
Apparently also Arkansas says Triage.. Sooooon.
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 06 August 2021, 22:35:43
First come first serve is fine when you have enough resources but when you have a 19 hour ambulance wait on a hospital bed or oxygen, you're out of resources.
Considering some of the states we're talking about though, it wouldn't surprise me.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 07 August 2021, 17:43:18
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 07 August 2021, 18:56:47
Florida cases projection to peak end of august @ 51,000 cases per day.
Louisiana: this IS putting young people 18-49 in the hospital and it IS KILLING some of them.
/// Pretty serious stuff.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 08 August 2021, 07:55:13
-Texas hospitals at breaking point, lines in hallway for ICU, 50% icu patients on ventilators.
-Smaller hospitals Fail to transfer critical patients as ALL larger nearby, even out of state hospitals are full.
-Delta completely different beast, up to 1250x viral load, patients are YOUNGER, significantly SICKER, and DYING.
-Sturgis Motorcycle rally 700,000 attendee going full steam, no mask in sight. Woke Netizens remark how this is an extremely vulnerable population noting their average waist size and generally low class appearance.
-Recent Vaccine uptake increase is GOOD, but according to WHO disease mathematician it's much too late to prevent wave 3.
-5pun1k-V vaccine fail delivery targets as nations renegotiate with other sources.
Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 08 August 2021, 21:37:03
-Sturgis Motorcycle rally 700,000 attendee going full steam, no mask in sight. Woke Netizens remark how this is an extremely vulnerable population noting their average waist size and generally low class appearance.(https://i.redd.it/ao7p7blgftf71.jpg)
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 10 August 2021, 08:13:58
They're doing Tents again.
Texas:
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Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 10 August 2021, 08:53:46
Theory, central nervous system (brain) inflammation in younger patients.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 10 August 2021, 08:58:53
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Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 11 August 2021, 06:55:41
Arkansas is completely out of hospital space for covid, like that's it. they're full.
ICU is serious business, like roach motels, they check in, but they dun''' .....
Florida requests 300 ventilators from federal government
Pretty good nurse video::
https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2021/08/10/mississippi-nurse-resigns-covid-intv-sot-nr-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/coronavirus/
Post by: Leslieann on Wed, 11 August 2021, 07:55:38
There Are More Than 50 Long-Term Effects of COVID-19 (https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2021/08/10/there_are_more_than_50_long-term_effects_of_covid-19_789293.html)
BTW, people who had SARS have seen it go for over 2 years (I've heard 3.5) and Covid is related to SARS, it's why we got the Covid vaccine so quickly.
Post by: Darthbaggins on Wed, 11 August 2021, 11:28:03
Post by: Leslieann on Wed, 11 August 2021, 12:02:53
I know the wife and I are finally planning to get our shots for the Vax - definitely not an Anti-Vaxxer since I have always received a Flu shot every year. I've just been hesitant towards it since there hasn't been an approval via the FDA etc and seeing the adverse affects pool as well, which yes is a small collective of adverse reactions from it but they're still there. Knowing my luck I would be lumped into the pool of having a reaction beyond the norm.I can understand waiting, that's being cautious not bull headed.
Unfortunately you're running out of time for caution, Delta is going to get just about everyone, if you can get it tomorrow I would urge you to do so before Delta finds you.
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 11 August 2021, 12:15:05
the adverse affects pool as well, which yes is a small collective
Now that hundreds of millions of people have received shots and bad reactions are a tiny fraction of one percent, doubt seems like an implausible excuse.
Post by: Kavik on Thu, 12 August 2021, 02:03:15
I know the wife and I are finally planning to get our shots for the Vax - definitely not an Anti-Vaxxer since I have always received a Flu shot every year. I've just been hesitant towards it since there hasn't been an approval via the FDA etc and seeing the adverse affects pool as well, which yes is a small collective of adverse reactions from it but they're still there. Knowing my luck I would be lumped into the pool of having a reaction beyond the norm.
Just anecdotes, but, if it makes you feel any better, the only effects I had from the J&J shot were a headache for 1-2 days and a slightly sore/stiff arm for ~1 week. The people I know who have got the MRNA shots just felt really tired for a day or two.
As Fohat said, the chances of the serious adverse reactions are rare, about 1 in 1,000,000 or 0.000001 (I suppose you could multiply that by the number of possible adverse effects, but it would still be the same order of magnitude). Your chance of death if you catch the virus is 0.015.
I also agree with Leslieann. Delta is contagious enough that it seems unavoidable, so you shouldn't wait since it takes 5-6 weeks from the first shot of the MRNA vaccines to be fully effective and 2 weeks for J&J, but the stats on J&J's effectiveness against delta are less well-known. The only possible upside to its high contagiousness is that it may burn out fast (the hypothesis of what happened in India and the UK), but I wouldn't bet on being able to wait it out unless you are a 100% hermit.
Post by: Darthbaggins on Thu, 12 August 2021, 06:23:29
Post by: chyros on Thu, 12 August 2021, 07:13:03
I would prefer to go the J&J route and be one and done, but the majority of what is being dealt out in my area is the Pfizer mRNA version. I am definitely not 100% hermit since I am always going between work and home during the week then to other family members homes over the weekends (all family members are vaxxed, we're the last ones in GA to go get it - other than the kids).Considering how difficult it is to contain, you're almost certain to get covid at one point or another. The better your vaccine protection, the less ill you'll get, and the less likely you'll get long-term damage. Two-dose vaccines protect better than the single-dose J&J ones. I don't understand why people don't jump on the opportunity to get two-dose vaccines, frankly.
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 12 August 2021, 07:32:08
I don't understand why people don't jump on the opportunity
Believe me, the majority of the human race is flummoxed by this conundrum.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/348719/billion-unwilling-covid-vaccine.aspx (https://news.gallup.com/poll/348719/billion-unwilling-covid-vaccine.aspx)
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 12 August 2021, 07:44:14
I would prefer to go the J&J route and be one and done, but the majority of what is being dealt out in my area is the Pfizer mRNA version. I am definitely not 100% hermit since I am always going between work and home during the week then to other family members homes over the weekends (all family members are vaxxed, we're the last ones in GA to go get it - other than the kids).Considering how difficult it is to contain, you're almost certain to get covid at one point or another. The better your vaccine protection, the less ill you'll get, and the less likely you'll get long-term damage. Two-dose vaccines protect better than the single-dose J&J ones. I don't understand why people don't jump on the opportunity to get two-dose vaccines, frankly.
Unless you're in China, they've got it handled. lock down 11million people over only 80 cases.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 12 August 2021, 08:31:38
Covid infected pregnant women face higher risk of death while giving birth. CDC new official guideline, all pregnant women should get vaccinated.
A 30-year-old Florida woman gave birth, took 2 photos with her baby and died days later of COVID-19
AVERAGE AGE of a colorado hospital covid hospitalization is 43..
Tennessee, parents threaten maskers
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/we-will-find-you-tennessee-parents-protest-school-mask-mandate-n1276601
On the one hand, yea, relative to politicians, masks are political, RELATIVE to individuals, he's mostly just a dumass.
Post by: Air tree on Thu, 12 August 2021, 12:41:52
I hope that this incompetent leadership by DeSantis costs him reelection next year. I'll be happy to vote against him at all costs.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 12 August 2021, 13:14:15
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 12 August 2021, 16:17:56
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 12 August 2021, 16:29:38
tp, you should take a break from the news. I fear for your mental health.
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Post by: chyros on Thu, 12 August 2021, 16:59:27
People's capacity for stupidity never ceases to amaze me. Perhaps it's me, then, who is stupid xD .
I don't understand why people don't jump on the opportunity
Believe me, the majority of the human race is flummoxed by this conundrum.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/348719/billion-unwilling-covid-vaccine.aspx (https://news.gallup.com/poll/348719/billion-unwilling-covid-vaccine.aspx)
Yes, on one hand, they did handle the lockdown better than most places. On the other hand, they also caused it :p . I mean sure, it's a bit childish to blame it all on the Chinese, but it's perhaps also not bad to not forget that fact :p .I would prefer to go the J&J route and be one and done, but the majority of what is being dealt out in my area is the Pfizer mRNA version. I am definitely not 100% hermit since I am always going between work and home during the week then to other family members homes over the weekends (all family members are vaxxed, we're the last ones in GA to go get it - other than the kids).Considering how difficult it is to contain, you're almost certain to get covid at one point or another. The better your vaccine protection, the less ill you'll get, and the less likely you'll get long-term damage. Two-dose vaccines protect better than the single-dose J&J ones. I don't understand why people don't jump on the opportunity to get two-dose vaccines, frankly.
Unless you're in China, they've got it handled. lock down 11million people over only 80 cases.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 12 August 2021, 17:07:31
Yes, on one hand, they did handle the lockdown better than most places. On the other hand, they also caused it :p . I mean sure, it's a bit childish to blame it all on the Chinese, but it's perhaps also not bad to not forget that fact :p .
Unless you're in China, they've got it handled. lock down 11million people over only 80 cases.
All major pandemics are zoonotic, resultant of irregular environmental alteration BY humans, typically through domestication.
It's not useful to blame a country or a race, it's the PROCESS of animal agriculture which inevitably creates pandemics.
It could've come from anywhere, there's also no proof that it started in china, they were just the first to initiate major lockdown.
Overall, we're getting away with alot already, this is a LIGHT pandemic. Delta looks to be potentially 2x death rate, that can straw the camel.
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 13 August 2021, 01:08:07
I would prefer to go the J&J route and be one and done, but the majority of what is being dealt out in my area is the Pfizer mRNA version. I am definitely not 100% hermit since I am always going between work and home during the week then to other family members homes over the weekends (all family members are vaxxed, we're the last ones in GA to go get it - other than the kids).The J&J has had the most problems and more significant problems with people and lowest protection.
Just get any, it's better than what you have now which is none.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 13 August 2021, 05:05:21
I would prefer to go the J&J route and be one and done, but the majority of what is being dealt out in my area is the Pfizer mRNA version. I am definitely not 100% hermit since I am always going between work and home during the week then to other family members homes over the weekends (all family members are vaxxed, we're the last ones in GA to go get it - other than the kids).The J&J has had the most problems and more significant problems with people and lowest protection.
Just get any, it's better than what you have now which is none.
Some people are going the unauthorized route, and getting double vaxxed.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 13 August 2021, 06:06:51
Extremely short staffing due to burn-outs leaving the system and not coming back under any incentive.
Out of state federal intervention is the only possible solution, but there's plenty of friction/slow process in these situations.
There will be a mass death situation, it's inevitable, even if everyone got the vaccine 2 weeks ago, it's too late.
Small republican towns will be hit hardest. They typically host the lowest income/ least educated population.
High possibility of collapse of basic social services in these areas as well. May get Medieval up in there.
::: In other news :::
Parents with known infection sent their infected children to school. Because of course they did.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 13 August 2021, 12:52:49
So much for young people immune system beats covid.
8 people < 16yr age has died of covid in florida alone.
Texas +40 kids hospitalized per day for covid.
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 13 August 2021, 13:54:17
Perhaps it's me, then, who is stupid
Your country appears to have approximately equal shades of green on both charts.
Post by: chyros on Fri, 13 August 2021, 15:24:09
The government have announced, just this evening, that they're not going to make the same mistakes as previously again, hence there won't be relaxation of the rules. They WILL however drop the 1.5 metre rule, face masks, take away the visitor limits on cafes, bars, pubs and clubs, and open most other limited events.
Perhaps it's me, then, who is stupid
Your country appears to have approximately equal shades of green on both charts.
I mean, sure, I'm enjoying the relative freedom we have, absolutely. I just hope that it doesn't come crashing down on us in flaming ruin. We're nowhere near the apocalyptic scenario TP is describing but man, I hope it lasts.
That said, this might be a good opportunity for our Bible Belt to Darwin themselves out of the gene pool. It's full of anti-vaxxers there.
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 13 August 2021, 15:29:02
there won't be relaxation of the rules.
They WILL however drop the 1.5 metre rule, face masks, take away the visitor limits on cafes, bars, pubs and clubs, and open most other limited events.
So, what rules remain unrelaxed?
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 13 August 2021, 19:47:47
___ That's the title of a cnn article. i mean, hahahahahha... pretttty seriouss.s...
Post by: PadawanGeek on Fri, 13 August 2021, 22:07:47
With the rise of the Delta variant, which is more infectious and carries a much higher mortality rate, I'd be seriously questioning my government and demanding that the population be vaccinated (IF they were slow to react). Fortunately despite some bad hiccups, we're on our way to attaining 'herd immunity' as we've gone >74% of population who've completed the full regime of vaccination (2 jabs, or 1 jab for recovered patients).
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 13 August 2021, 22:28:35
A vaccinated person carrying Delta, can infect another person because the viral load is so high.
We also have no idea what the NEXT variant super power will evolve. But given the infectiousness that already exists, we're in the endemic phase, where it will be seasonal FOREVER.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 14 August 2021, 16:42:18
And they hire some sort of entertainer/ mc who are basically super-spreaders. And he just mouthed off a joke about the virus.
/ Anger mode. (https://cutekawaiiresources.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/14.gif?w=560)
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 14 August 2021, 17:04:30
Ughh.... neighbors having a Delta contagion party.. / scared, good thing there are trees in between us.
And they hire some sort of entertainer/ mc who are basically super-spreaders. And he just mouthed off a joke about the virus.
/ Anger mode.Show Image(https://cutekawaiiresources.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/14.gif?w=560)
set up a wall of fans to blow the air in their direction.
Also, it's not all doom and gloom. It may be here forever, but we will eventually have better and better treatments for it. cheer up, tp. have a drink and some nachos.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 14 August 2021, 17:14:11
set up a wall of fans to blow the air in their direction.
Also, it's not all doom and gloom. It may be here forever, but we will eventually have better and better treatments for it. cheer up, tp. have a drink and some nachos.
Thx for good vibing PPusher. if only Tp4 had so many CFMs.
Sigh.... now they got this clown guy doing balloon animals, and he's touch everyone.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 15 August 2021, 04:11:49
Mississippi 8th Grader Dies, COVID, only hours after governor downplays child cases.
Cringe or not ?? https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/p4jsz5/this_rns_dad_dies_of_covid_but_shes_sure_its_all/
Hahahahahahhahaha... /tp4 activates sad mode.
School district so dire, they've fed teacher-less in person classes a zoom of a class which had actual teachers. Only one adult in the teacher-less class for safety.
Signs around districts have gone up, "want to teach?" -phone number- -website-.
If this isn't dystopian , WHAT IS ?
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 15 August 2021, 15:58:24
here we go again, the south
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Post by: chyros on Mon, 16 August 2021, 13:35:25
Hmmmmnnnnnone.
there won't be relaxation of the rules.
They WILL however drop the 1.5 metre rule, face masks, take away the visitor limits on cafes, bars, pubs and clubs, and open most other limited events.
So, what rules remain unrelaxed?
It's, you know, politicians.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 16 August 2021, 13:46:47
200+ students covid positive palm beach school, Florida.
US projection to cross 200,000 cases/day next few weeks. _NIH director Collins
Post by: ItIsWritten on Mon, 16 August 2021, 18:36:45
Staying at home if you feel sick, no hand shakes, washing your hands, ventilation.Hmmmmnnnnnone.
there won't be relaxation of the rules.
They WILL however drop the 1.5 metre rule, face masks, take away the visitor limits on cafes, bars, pubs and clubs, and open most other limited events.
So, what rules remain unrelaxed?
It's, you know, politicians.
Verstuurd vanaf mijn SM-G986B met Tapatalk
Post by: Kavik on Tue, 17 August 2021, 00:14:18
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 17 August 2021, 06:21:32
Mortuary trailers and refrigerated trucking companies big money incoming.
__These honestly look like the same trucks they ship food in. I hope they're not just fudging the paperwork afterwards and reusing the trailers.. /gassssppppp.
Intense post/comments @ r/nursing..
https://www.reddit.com/r/nursing/comments/p5icyk/covid_has_hit_the_pediatric_world/
""" I tried to educate him the best I could on how beneficial it would be, but he didn’t buy it. It’s terrible to think that even with a child battling cancer where any infection or virus could potentially end of their life, the family still wouldn’t get vaccinated.""
Bible Bangers dropping like flies.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 17 August 2021, 06:21:55
An underclassman from highschool died about a week ago from Covid-19, I just found out today. She was 32 years old. Apparently, she had just got engaged in March, planning on a wedding the next year. No idea on vaccination status, but she had been obese since school.
Hmmmphhh.. kavik lookn' down on us phat peeps.
Post by: yui on Tue, 17 August 2021, 06:57:34
trying to get out of the fat loop, lost 40kg, gained back 20... ok part of it is muscle but not much, and that age hit quite close, most of my friends are 30 to 35... kinda scaryAn underclassman from highschool died about a week ago from Covid-19, I just found out today. She was 32 years old. Apparently, she had just got engaged in March, planning on a wedding the next year. No idea on vaccination status, but she had been obese since school.
Hmmmphhh.. kavik lookn' down on us phat peeps.
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 17 August 2021, 08:44:22
reusing the trailers
Don't worry, they will probably hose them down on the inside between assignments.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 17 August 2021, 08:52:04
reusing the trailers
Don't worry, they will probably hose them down on the inside between assignments.
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Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 17 August 2021, 08:57:22
Younger and Sicker the prevailing theme.
Post by: yui on Tue, 17 August 2021, 09:09:25
i am not sure it really matters, those things are meant to be properly disinfected between each jobs, if they are the same as food transport ones, either way there should not be much cross contamination possible.reusing the trailersDon't worry, they will probably hose them down on the inside between assignments.Show Image(https://cutekawaiiresources.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/14.gif?w=560)
Post by: chyros on Tue, 17 August 2021, 09:26:05
Natural selection.
Bible Bangers dropping like flies.
We'll see who's stronger, God or Darwin.
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 17 August 2021, 09:37:11
Natural selection.
Bible Bangers dropping like flies.
We'll see who's stronger, God orDarwinNature.
Fixed that for you.
Post by: yui on Tue, 17 August 2021, 09:58:31
i feel like creationist will read that as "who's stronger, God or God", dunno, maybe notFixed that for you.Natural selection.
Bible Bangers dropping like flies.
We'll see who's stronger, God orDarwinNature.
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 17 August 2021, 10:17:25
i feel like creationist will read that as "who's stronger, God or God", dunno, maybe not
They will always interpret anything to their advantage.
In the book of Genesis God gave man "dominion" over nature. My interpretation in that context is that anti-vaxxers are rejecting man's assertion of dominion over nature, in this case.
Post by: Leslieann on Tue, 17 August 2021, 22:09:42
__These honestly look like the same trucks they ship food in. I hope they're not just fudging the paperwork afterwards and reusing the trailers.. /gassssppppp.
They're all the same.
You don't buy a trailer at 10% less knowing it's going to limit what you can haul, you pay the extra knowing it will pay for itself down the road.
The more types of things you can haul the more jobs you can take.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 17 August 2021, 22:20:28
__These honestly look like the same trucks they ship food in. I hope they're not just fudging the paperwork afterwards and reusing the trailers.. /gassssppppp.
They're all the same.
You don't buy a trailer at 10% less knowing it's going to limit what you can haul, you pay the extra knowing it will pay for itself down the road.
The more types of things you can haul the more jobs you can take.
Thi sis not happenngiengeawiegiw...
OHhhhwaogawwwwhdd...
(https://i.imgur.com/Q031eki.gif)
Post by: chyros on Wed, 18 August 2021, 05:37:13
I went with Darwin because creationists so specifically reject him, but yeah, Nature works as well, I guess.Natural selection.
Bible Bangers dropping like flies.
We'll see who's stronger, God orDarwinNature.
Fixed that for you.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 19 August 2021, 06:45:49
Man hospitalized after taking Ivermectin purchased from an Livestock-feed-store. Ivermectin is used to treat worms in Livestock.
Mississippi State Health Officer Dr. Thomas Dobbs urged Mississippians to talk to their doctors.
“You know, please work with your doctor. This is medical treatment. You wouldn’t get your chemotherapy at a feed store"
“You wouldn’t want to treat your pneumonia with your animal’s medication. It can be dangerous to get the wrong doses of medication, especially for something that’s meant for a horse or a cow (they are much larger than humans)."
Is this smarter or dumber than drinking bleach.. ?? / Kekekekekeke
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 19 August 2021, 08:32:02
Is this smarter or dumber than drinking bleach.. ?
Smarter. It probably doesn't burn your tongue nearly as bad going in.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 19 August 2021, 10:30:44
Smarter. It probably doesn't burn your tongue nearly as bad going in.
Does it ? never tasted bleach
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 19 August 2021, 14:36:29
What does that even mean ?
Post by: Darthbaggins on Thu, 19 August 2021, 14:48:03
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 19 August 2021, 15:08:50
What does that even mean ?
You can run but you can't hide.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 19 August 2021, 15:13:32
You can run but you can't hide.
Dallas also announced they're out of pediatric hospital beds.
Post by: Darthbaggins on Thu, 19 August 2021, 16:54:35
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 19 August 2021, 17:51:27
Nope can't escape since I'm in a state that is red, and yeah the hospitals near are refusing ambulances due to cases.
Reminder not to get stabbed darthbaggins. they won't admit you.
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 19 August 2021, 21:42:07
"Texas hospitals may soon deny unvaccinated patients access to ICU beds."
I'm sure the governor will enact some law to prevent this, because you know, it's Abbot.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 19 August 2021, 22:12:25
Texas has you covered...
"Texas hospitals may soon deny unvaccinated patients access to ICU beds."
I'm sure the governor will enact some law to prevent this, because you know, it's Abbot.
Is that legal ? can they reject a heart disease patient, even though it was his idea to eat exclusively burgers?
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 20 August 2021, 01:50:06
Best answer I can give you is "because Texas".Texas has you covered...
"Texas hospitals may soon deny unvaccinated patients access to ICU beds."
I'm sure the governor will enact some law to prevent this, because you know, it's Abbot.
Is that legal ? can they reject a heart disease patient, even though it was his idea to eat exclusively burgers?
They don't like following your rules.
As an aside, I can only assume you've never been there.
Even in our current political climate you'd probably be safer driving around with a loudspeaker praising Biden than saying anything bad about their burgers and steaks.
Post by: chyros on Fri, 20 August 2021, 08:00:06
HOW can Alaska be red, there's NO-ONE THERE!
What does that even mean ?
You can run but you can't hide.
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 20 August 2021, 08:32:02
HOW can Alaska be red
I think that the rating is wrong. My understanding is that Alaska has done a pretty good job of vaccinating for a state with the better part of a million people.
https://alaska-coronavirus-vaccine-outreach-alaska-dhss.hub.arcgis.com/ (https://alaska-coronavirus-vaccine-outreach-alaska-dhss.hub.arcgis.com/)
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 20 August 2021, 08:47:39
Alabama defeats Florida in number of children hospitalized.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 20 August 2021, 14:57:15
So.... hang on.
They decide not to vaccinate.
Then they catch covid
They decide to take medicine made for cows
They're throwing up, vomiting, delirium
They decide to Call Poison control instead of going to the hospital.
sssss... you have to admire their resolve to die on that hill. Hahahahahaha,,,, if only this wasn't tanking the us economy.... :<
??
Post by: chyros on Fri, 20 August 2021, 15:03:46
It's probably a per capita rating. In that case, it's probably because the inhabitant got it, so 100% infection rate :p .
HOW can Alaska be red
I think that the rating is wrong. My understanding is that Alaska has done a pretty good job of vaccinating for a state with the better part of a million people.
https://alaska-coronavirus-vaccine-outreach-alaska-dhss.hub.arcgis.com/ (https://alaska-coronavirus-vaccine-outreach-alaska-dhss.hub.arcgis.com/)
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 20 August 2021, 15:44:26
Poison control center calls spike as people take livestock dewormer
Who made that up? Was it Q or Cozy Bear? Are they trying to wipe out their own base?
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 20 August 2021, 23:15:00
HOW can Alaska be red, there's NO-ONE THERE!
Florida and Alaska both run against the grain of the rest of the country.
In Alaska the cities are red, the rural areas are blue.
In Florida the further North you go the further "South" you get.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 21 August 2021, 07:47:40
places declare "critical mass level zero"
Sounds like a speed running term, but it just means there is No Emergency Help on the way, the ambulance is NOT coming. We is gon' Die.
If you have a heart atk, it's gg.
Pfizer approval coming monday-ish, ya'll think they'll just move on to some other excuse ?
Florida water use is now a problem because treatment oxygen diverted to hospitals.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 21 August 2021, 08:18:13
Tp4 didn't get notin'' Bullsh.... WTffffhhhh, where free juice box... ?
Should've waited, Texas might do $150
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 21 August 2021, 08:21:27
Pfizer approval coming monday-ish, ya'll think they'll just move on to some other excuse ?
"They" being anti-vaxxers? They don't need excuses, they have emotions.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 21 August 2021, 08:33:54
Pfizer approval coming monday-ish, ya'll think they'll just move on to some other excuse ?
"They" being anti-vaxxers? They don't need excuses, they have emotions.
Just saw this video.. :D
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/p8dzgf/guy_presents_at_board_meeting_says_covid_will/
Post by: Leslieann on Sat, 21 August 2021, 09:24:36
alabama and mississipi cries and requests fema support.. o' rly....
Feds in general can't come without a declaration of local emergency and then a formal request, this is why they didn't go the collapsed Florida condo right away.
Sadly, it's political posturing on the state's part, without an emergency feds won't come, then they blame them for not coming. And they don't want it anyway, once they come in, the Gov can direct them but anywhere they go, they will be in charge. That would mean mandatory masks.
Don't forget we states have Nat. Guard they can call in with a simple stroke of a pen, but THEY would have to pay (financially) for that. They have yet to do that even.
Meanwhile their people die.
Don't forget, this isn't peak, until you do something to change the trend, peak is 4-6 weeks away. It's going to get ugly(er).
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 21 August 2021, 18:16:01
It projects that about 80 percent of students who are unvaccinated or have not had the virus, labeled susceptible students, will catch the virus in 60 days.
Projections for the entire first semester are that 90 percent of susceptible elementary students would be infected if the precautions aren’t taken.
If they already have the projections, guess we gon' have dead kids save the economy.
https://covsim.hosted-wordpress.oit.ncsu.edu/files/2021/08/covsim-covid-19-school-policies-part-02.pdf
Post by: Kavik on Sun, 22 August 2021, 01:36:15
Poison control center calls spike as people take livestock dewormer
Who made that up? Was it Q or Cozy Bear? Are they trying to wipe out their own base?
Ivermectin is also a drug for humans, but the human version requires a prescription, which means going to a doctor - a doctor who is willing to prescribe it off-label. With vaccines and monoclonal antibodies available, I don't think many doctors are willing to prescribe something that's debatable and that the FDA has warned against using. Also, these people probably wouldn't consult a doctor anyway. Without a prescription, the only way to get it is from over-the-counter animal medicine and creams.
I don't really understand the ins and outs of it. Some people say Ivermectin has no effect, some say it has some effect but not much, and some think it's a miracle drug. This is the link to studies I often see https://ivmmeta.com/. I haven't read any of the studies myself since I wouldn't know what to look for and frankly I don't care enough to. From what I remember, there was a study from Egypt that was bogus, and detractors tried to say that invalidated all the other studies.
Proponents say that taking it with zinc and also with food dramatically increases its efficacy because of its fat solubility or something. Also, it's supposedly more effective as a prophylactic treatment because it prevents spike protein binding in the first place (if I recall correctly).
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 23 August 2021, 15:39:49
As of Friday afternoon, 482 patients were waiting for hospital beds in his 25-county region. He said 211 of those patients are COVID-19 positive.
An additional 120 patients are waiting for an ICU bed. Of those patients, 65 are COVID-19 positive.
Patients are mounting in the lobby, and we have patients waiting in parking lots and we have patients waiting in the back of ambulances in parking lots.
When they say, have to wait for ICU, prolly gon'die no?
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 23 August 2021, 19:09:47
Funny , but sad for innocent cucumbers.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 24 August 2021, 12:41:24
Excluding the fact, that they're likely to be prioritized anyway as they're more likely to survive.
Post by: suicidal_orange on Tue, 24 August 2021, 13:11:03
Do you guys think it's ETHICAL to prioritize Vaccinated patients ?No doubt here - if you accept there is a problem and try to avoid it you should be rewarded for doing so.
Post by: Kavik on Tue, 24 August 2021, 13:17:45
Do you guys think it's ETHICAL to prioritize Vaccinated patients ?
Excluding the fact, that they're likely to be prioritized anyway as they're more likely to survive.
Although I think it's logical and maybe fairer, it's probably not ethical. My ICU nurse friend said that, at his hospital, vaccination status isn't immediately available on patients; he isn't sure why but it may be to prevent preferential treatment. It would also skew the survivability numbers to treat them differently.
It's also not clear what prioritizing vaccinated patients means. Does that mean just prioritizing vaccinated patients who present with COVID-19 or any patient with any problem? If <10% of COVID-19 patients are vaccinated, would prioritizing them have any meaningful impact? Or would this mean kicking people out of beds when people with other issues come in?
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 24 August 2021, 13:18:53
Do you guys think it's ETHICAL to prioritize Vaccinated patients ?No doubt here - if you accept there is a problem and try to avoid it you should be rewarded for doing so.
But the antivax are victims of socio-economic inequality. Being a bit dimmer upstairs is not entirely their fault.
Maybe they could give the poor+antivax equal prioirty, and exclude the mid-income+antivax or some other distribution relative to income class.
Post by: suicidal_orange on Tue, 24 August 2021, 13:23:37
But the antivax are victims of socio-economic inequality. Being a bit dimmer upstairs is not entirely their fault.Stupid people blindly do what authority tells them, if they're too stupid to recognise a valid authority over some nutjob on youtube they should be
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 24 August 2021, 13:36:50
But the antivax are victims of socio-economic inequality. Being a bit dimmer upstairs is not entirely their fault.Stupid people blindly do what authority tells them, if they're too stupid to recognise a valid authority over some nutjob on youtube they should beshotterminated not pitied.
SOrang and Tp4 got an education + 'puter skillz. (an example)
Poor people kids got to flip burgers so they can buy nikes. (an example)
So, society handed out different bundles to different people, ALONG a socio-economic divide.
Is it fair to then draw the triage on this line. Intellect is not entirely self-actualizing, it requires precursors, the poor are disadvantaged with fewer precursors..
Of course, from the other end, the impartial social planner could say, well, THEIR DEATH is the proof that our economy is TOOOOO unequal, and they then must die as record of the COLLECTIVE mistakes of capitalism.
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 24 August 2021, 14:17:41
Being a bit dimmer upstairs is not entirely their fault.
It is not ethical, but so are a lot of other "judgement calls" as they are often referred to. In a non-triage situation, a doctor is generally considered to be ethically bound to save the life of a medically-endangered murderer even if he is then sure to go on trial and be executed in the near future. But are we in a triage situation now, in some areas? Definitely.
The overwhelming majority of people who are not responding to this threat in basic common-sense ways are not doing so because of legitimate mental deficiencies, they are deliberately sabotaging themselves and those around them to "make a statement" as the saying goes.
Why? That is very murky, and to the best of my knowledge no one has ever clearly articulated a coherent explanation. I have heard mumblings of "something something freedom" or "something something conspiracy" or "something something Socialism" or "something something evil gub'ment" but I have never heard anything that seemed logical or backed by information.
The most plausible explanation that I have heard is that these Q-cumbers (thanks TP4, great word) are drowning in feelings of helplessness and powerlessness, and the ability to feel like a walking weapon literally breathing death onto everybody around you must seem profoundly empowering.
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 24 August 2021, 15:45:55
The answer is to keep the group vocal and "riled up" as much as possible. Anti-mask and anti-vaccines is a rally for this same group that wanted to "stop the steal" previously. Now that the vaccine has become authorized for use by the FDA, a new focal point is the Taliban in Afghanistan. Apparently Biden is unfit to lead because he stopped the charade of US power there. There's always a laser sharp, hate-filled focus on something that causes a lot of strong feelings on both sides.
Even mainstream Republicans need to keep this up at all costs. They cannot allow their voter base to lose momentum and become complicit. They really do believe that failure in 2024 would mean a Republican will never be elected to the office of the president again. It's quite possible. The struggle to grab power is blatantly obvious with Rep. Governor's signing anti-mask executive orders and passing voter reform to keep brown people from voting as easily.
Covid-19 will pass. It will become endemic. However… the Republican party might not survive to see it happen.
Keep the base hot, angry, and loud. AT ALL COSTS.
Post by: chyros on Tue, 24 August 2021, 16:11:09
Do you guys think it's ETHICAL to prioritize Vaccinated patients ?Definitely not ethical.
Excluding the fact, that they're likely to be prioritized anyway as they're more likely to survive.
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 24 August 2021, 16:32:06
Do you guys think it's ETHICAL to prioritize Vaccinated patients ?
Definitely not ethical.
But we are past that. Triage situation decisions, by definition, need to supersede ordinary principles.
In certain areas, health care systems are overwhelmed and there is no choice but to ration resources. That choice usually turns on who is most likely to survive ....
Post by: Leslieann on Tue, 24 August 2021, 21:29:21
Do you guys think it's ETHICAL to prioritize Vaccinated patients ?
Excluding the fact, that they're likely to be prioritized anyway as they're more likely to survive.
If resources are not constrained, yes, it's unethical.
You have enough resources to treat everyone, this is how hospitals normally operate.
If resources ARE constrained, it is not unethical it's actually more ethical.
Not only are vaxx'ed more likely to survive but you are actually now penalizing those who did do what they were asked and rewarding those who did not. If unvaxxed soak up all your resources people who are there through no fault of their own may get less or no treatment. Now, you can argue you can re-proritize, while you can shift your staff you can't pull oxygen back out of a a patient.
And have you met any of these Karens? Do you think they will stand for you treating and then yanking resources? Look at how people are about pulling the plug on dying and brain dead patients. The moment you start treating them you're stuck and even if you can re-prioritize you're going to tie up resources trying (in vain) to reason with them. We already saw this with the woman in Florida who was scouring the state looking for a machine for her husband... That would only extend his suffering another 6-12 hours, it was not going to save him. He had already been on a ventilator for days.
I'm not saying don't treat them, I'm not saying give them bad care, I'm saying don't let them monopolize the medical system to the extent that others who were doing what was asked suffer.
Had they done this the moment things started going bad, maybe, just maybe some of these people would have considered the consequences and actually taken precautions. Instead they were given permission to be a$$holes and so they were. Once again, look at the anti-maskers who spend 45 minutes arguing with police. Every time they walked away from these confrontations has only emboldened them. They got away with it last time, and the time before that, why would they stop now?
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 24 August 2021, 22:38:11
Do you guys think it's ETHICAL to prioritize Vaccinated patients ?
Excluding the fact, that they're likely to be prioritized anyway as they're more likely to survive.
If resources are not constrained, yes, it's unethical.
You have enough resources to treat everyone, this is how hospitals normally operate.
If resources ARE constrained, it is not unethical it's actually more ethical.
Not only are vaxx'ed more likely to survive but you are actually now penalizing those who did do what they were asked and rewarding those who did not. If unvaxxed soak up all your resources people who are there through no fault of their own may get less or no treatment.
That is logical if they by themselves controlled the whole series of unfortunate events.
I'm only suggesting, that BEFORE they became dumb, the socio-economic divide destined them as such.
So, their dimness is a handicap not (entirely) of their own choosing, not unlike someone born with 1 arm instead of 2, they are born into intellectual disadvantage, it's just a longer event than 1 armed-ness.
I don't disagree that triage will ultimately prioritize a vaccinated person who is more likely to survive.
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 25 August 2021, 08:56:37
they became dumb, the socio-economic divide destined them
they are born into intellectual disadvantage
This was not "automatic" but I will grant that ignorant and uneducated parents are more likely to raise ignorant and uneducated children. I have had many conversations with Millennials (who grew up watching the Fox TV station) whose heads almost exploded when I tell them that Reagan was an extremely bad president. Their favorite phrase seems to be "everybody knows .... " - followed by some absurdity from the propaganda machines that they have never actually analyzed for accuracy.
I was an aware adult before the late-1970s, and I can state unequivocally that the social changes precipitated by the Radical Right's civil coup in the early-1980s were engineered with the intent of sowing confusion and distrust for the express purpose of driving a wedge between "We the People" and "In Order to Form a More Perfect Union." Now that we are in the second generation of that process it is fruiting abundantly.
That goal would not have been possible without 2 parallel undercurrents: the crippling of the educational system (and the scuttling of critical thinking in particular), and the establishment of a web of disinformation media within the brand-new realm of cable TV and in the previously-struggling AM radio market, reborn after the abandonment of FCC "fairness" policies. At the time the internet was not even on the horizon, but it has expanded all the other problems exponentially - a web page or a Youtube video is so much easier than reading a book or an in-depth article, especially for those who never really learned to "read" (in the academic or literary sense, that is).
Younger generations are finally seeing the curtain being pulled back. The outrageousness of climate denial will prove to be the stake in the heart of the Right Wing in the US, and the idiotic buffoonery of anti-vaxxers is icing on the cake.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 25 August 2021, 09:11:28
they became dumb, the socio-economic divide destined them
they are born into intellectual disadvantage
Radical Right's civil coup in the early-1980s
That goal would not have been possible without 2 parallel undercurrents: the crippling of the educational system (and the scuttling of critical thinking in particular), and the establishment of a web of disinformation media within the brand-new realm of cable TV
the heart of the Right Wing in the US, and the idiotic buffoonery of anti-vaxxers is icing on the cake.
I agree that IT HAPPENED, disagree that it was a right-wing only agenda.
Everyone upstairs was complicit.
Demo may be better on some points than Rep, but there's no such thing as a GOOD keeper.
It's always people vs oligarchs.
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 25 August 2021, 12:30:57
disagree that it was a right-wing only agenda.
It's always people vs oligarchs.
You are a ignorant child.
Don't imagine that you understand things that happened before you were born.
After the great reversal of the parties a century ago, the Democratic Party has stood for the common good and the Republican Party has defended the power of the wealthy.
Read "The Calculus of Consent" by Buchanan and Tullock if you are unclear on what has happened since Brown v Board of Education.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 25 August 2021, 13:33:03
After the great reversal of the parties a century ago, the Democratic Party has stood for the common good and the Republican Party has defended the power of the wealthy.
disagree that it was a right-wing only agenda.
It's always people vs oligarchs.
Read "The Calculus of Consent" by Buchanan and Tullock if you are unclear on what has happened since Brown v Board of Education.
Again, you're picking the few worst events and actions, out of the ENTIRETY of mostly bad actions, and blaming one side.
Is the military industrial complex uniquely republican.
Do only republicans own nooqular power plants.
Are Raytheon, Lockheed, Northrup, Nasa, just republican death merchants. Which president didn't drop bombs.
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 25 August 2021, 14:22:46
Nobody is perfect, that is why you look past minor and temporary aberrations.
Take the sum total of what each side has done over the past century and add it up.
The results are stark and unambiguous.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 25 August 2021, 15:47:14
Take the sum total of what each side has done over the past century and add it up.
The results are stark and unambiguous.
I don't know that, I'm even inclined to agree it may be true,
but Fohat, have you personally done that math, or are you just assuming.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 26 August 2021, 13:49:16
32yr old pregnant nurse dies of covid 2 days after losing unborn baby to covid.
She leaves behind a husband and a 2yr old, who are now vaccinated with their first dose.
Doctors warn, women at 25-27 weeks of pregnancy are at risk for covid complications.
Vaccines are safe, and recommended to all pregnant women by the CDC.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 26 August 2021, 14:14:43
And they have a LINE of people to roll that dice ?
Post by: suicidal_orange on Thu, 26 August 2021, 14:20:11
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 26 August 2021, 14:35:32
https://www.newsweek.com/anti-vaccination-lawyer-capitol-rioters-now-ventilator-covid-19-1623155 (https://www.newsweek.com/anti-vaccination-lawyer-capitol-rioters-now-ventilator-covid-19-1623155)
TL;DR - "The entire 82nd Airborne couldn't make me get an experimental government vaccine stuck in my arm."
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 26 August 2021, 14:35:37
When your lungs don't work filling them with oxygen isn't a really fix - all of them would have died had they stayed at home.
Intense quote, an ICU NURSE:
I can't deal anymore arguing with my pt(patients) to please keep the bipap on because your lungs can't handle being without them, only to be screamed at because they want to eat; and coincidentally their husband was screaming at me earlier because the pt's O2 dipped below 89 earlier and how dare we let that happen, but she's sitting there at 62% now wanting a hamburger and I "am a complete monster" for taking it away from her.
Post by: suicidal_orange on Thu, 26 August 2021, 15:02:10
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 27 August 2021, 08:05:32
Comes home, finds Husband Dead (covid) in the bedroom with 3 distressed dogs.
The saddest part is the guy is an electrical/mechanical engineer,
Allegedly they were not antivax, they were (Vaccine Hesitant)
Post by: chyros on Fri, 27 August 2021, 10:29:50
True figures may be slightly different but it just goes to show, you know. I mean, I seriously don't understand why people need encouragement to gt vaccinated.
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 27 August 2021, 12:06:01
why people need encouragement to gt vaccinated.
In the US that is not the case at all. At this point, anybody who is not vaccinated is probably militantly opposed to the existence of the vaccine itself.
To the point that they are willing to intimidate and even assault people for simply getting the vaccine or wearing a mask in public.
Post by: chyros on Fri, 27 August 2021, 13:13:09
Lovely.
why people need encouragement to gt vaccinated.
In the US that is not the case at all. At this point, anybody who is not vaccinated is probably militantly opposed to the existence of the vaccine itself.
To the point that they are willing to intimidate and even assault people for simply getting the vaccine or wearing a mask in public.
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 27 August 2021, 14:07:56
Lovely.
No, deplorable.
Proudly, arrogantly, self-righteously deplorable.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 27 August 2021, 16:46:17
“I don’t know how much longer we’re going to be able to do this”
It's prettttty serious, making grown men cry.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 27 August 2021, 17:09:33
How do landlords plan to evict all these people all at once ?
Even if they managed to do it, Wouldn't that create a huge mass of essentially desperate brigands ?
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 27 August 2021, 20:00:45
The housing market is very tight, so with the old tenants gone they will raise their rents sky-high and write brutal new contracts to make it as easy as possible to get the new tenants out when the time comes.
As always, the people at the bottom of the food chain have been devastated with no hope in sight.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2021/04/30/american-billionaires-have-gotten-12-trillion-richer-during-the-pandemic/ (https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2021/04/30/american-billionaires-have-gotten-12-trillion-richer-during-the-pandemic/)
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/11/us/politics/poorer-americans-have-much-lower-voting-rates-in-national-elections-than-the-nonpoor-a-study-finds.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/11/us/politics/poorer-americans-have-much-lower-voting-rates-in-national-elections-than-the-nonpoor-a-study-finds.html)
But what really pisses me off is that I personally paid more income tax last year than Jeff Bezos did.
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 27 August 2021, 21:45:10
The housing market is very tight, so with the old tenants gone they will raise their rents sky-high and write brutal new contracts to make it as easy as possible to get the new tenants out when the time comes.
This.
Companies/investors have been hoovering up property at insane rates in anticipation of ever increasing rents. Vancouver has been decimated by this. All of you who think super high rent is a coastal thing, get ready.
Two things are coming to a head.
Housing construction has fallen behind population growth (this hit the west coast years ago) and boomers wanted nice little suburbs and placed rules to limit how small homes can be, fought apartment complexes and high rises, basically anything to keep their 50's style nuclear family neighborhoods intact further exacerbating the problem. As towns run out of room they can't build smaller and can't build up prices go sky high. Not only is it more difficult to find places to build cheaply, you can only spread so far from job centers.
Side note, this is why many leave the coast, contrary to what many believe. Most people do not actually move states because of political leanings (it's tough to leave your job, family, friends, job certifications, company you own/founded, the place you grew up), but spending 3+ hours a day on the road getting to and from work to barely scrape by certainly will.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 27 August 2021, 21:49:34
Post by: Leslieann on Sat, 28 August 2021, 00:42:51
raise rent, but who'd come live there, there'd have to be an increase in job opportunity / population density, wages even ?[/size][/color]
Where you gonna go?
Like medicine, corporations/investors figured out that the more you need something the more you can squeeze people for it. At this point pretty much any city with decent jobs already has insane rents and it's going to trickle down to small town America.
Post by: suicidal_orange on Sat, 28 August 2021, 03:50:21
Housing construction has fallen behind population growthHow many anti-vaxers need to die to turn this around? There seem to be enough of them...
Post by: Leslieann on Sat, 28 August 2021, 06:05:34
I don't know how bad Texas and Florida are for housing crisis but it's not enough to cure California's housing crisis, though it could help so don't be surprised if a few right wing Californians move. The very thing those places don't want is more progressive Republicans yet they kill off the right wingers leaving a vacuum for more progressives... Not the most brilliant strategy.Housing construction has fallen behind population growthHow many anti-vaxers need to die to turn this around? There seem to be enough of them...
A quick search shows you need about 3.5million homes just to start easing California's housing crisis, that's around 3% of the (state's) population. California has 12% of the entire U.S. population, so it alone could probably soak up all the Covid homes in the entire south. What do we do about New York City, Houston, Dallas, Chicago, Seattle, Philly... And you better get those people there buying before the investors (scalpers) buy them up and keep the prices sky high.
Even if it were enough, Covid would only be a temporary solution.
We're still building like we have plenty of room for suburbs when we really don't. Yes, we have the land but a 3 hour daily commute is not practical. Kansas literally can't GIVE land away... Seriously, they will give you 5 acres(?) to live on (homestead), but you have to actually live on the property.... No one wants it because where do you work? Where do you buy groceries? It's free because no one wants it. Meanwhile in major cities land can be more than 60% of a home's value.
L.A. is putting in high rise apartments and cities/states are changing zoning laws but it takes time*. Vegas is building as fast as they can and I know Arizona is working on a 100k home community north of Phoenix (near Prescott, it's insane to see), not sure where they plan to employ them all and that's ignoring water issues. They just stopped or severely limited the flow from Hoover dam to and Arizona agriculture and Vegas (California drinking water has priority). Water is something Florida is also having issues with (fresh and saltwater), I think they have 10 years before they have to really curtail water use if they can't "find" more. Pretty sure Texas is also heading that same direction.
Other states may laugh at California's water problems and regulations but it's the only thing keeping the water flowing there (it IS a desert after all). The number of reservoirs and engineering to bring water in and store it is insane. Take a look at the California aqueduct system and ask yourself do you REALLY think Florida or Texas could implement something like that, especially in a hurry?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_River_Aqueduct#Route (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_River_Aqueduct#Route)
I grew up there, saw a lot of it and had no clue just how massive the system actually was. They had to be absolutely brutal with the people in the way of it just like China was with 3 Gorges Dam (just look at Owens Valley). 100 years later parts are still in use but still fighting over rights and the effects of it. Do you think Texans will like having land, lakes, valleys taken over to store and flow water at massive expense? They have an estimated 50 years, but the fact that they are raising alarms now should tell you how long they expect it to take.
*No local official is going to allow anyone to build homes fast enough to drop prices even if they need it, it's political suicide. Build too fast home prices tank and your constituents (even those trying to buy) will throw you out of office. I got into it with my (anti-vaxx) brother over this and while he agreed it kept prices high, he liked it that way as the prices kept the riff raff out of his sleepy little neighborhood. Jump forward 6 months, his landlord got a crazy offer on the house he was renting and sold it without telling him. He had to move out of his happy quiet little town because he couldn't afford to buy there. For the record, I did laugh my @ss off when I found out.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 28 August 2021, 07:52:18
Unlesssss Elon wants to come in and build Windp0wr TESLA desalination plants.
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 28 August 2021, 08:09:39
high rent is a coastal thing
I am too old and probably won't be around to see it, but many members here will live to see many of the world's coast lines inundated, some to the tune of kilometers.
My advice is: don't invest in property that is less than multiple meters above sea level and/or within a couple of kilometers from the current temporary coast line.
PS - and take your dream beach vacations sooner rather than later
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 28 August 2021, 09:49:37
high rent is a coastal thing
I am too old and probably won't be around to see it, but many members here will live to see many of the world's coast lines inundated, some to the tune of kilometers.
My advice is: don't invest in property that is less than multiple meters above sea level and/or within a couple of kilometers from the current temporary coast line.
PS - and take your dream beach vacations sooner rather than later
Nah..... that is hardly going to be the problem. we have nooqular waste and spent reactors/ land which will be flooded (they're all built near water).. Extra water will bring that inland, it will filter down into aquifers, sewage, and all piping, Hundreds of miles of coastal will be a toxic sludge.
This already happens with heavy rain and places near old weapons plants.
This will set off massive migration which will be destabilizing and potentially cataclysmic.
Happy joy joy future everyone.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 28 August 2021, 09:53:02
Antivax Police officer takes Horse Dewormer and dies of covid.
Idaho:
"Our forecast is bad " Frank Johnson, vice president, medical affairs at St. Luke’s Health System.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 29 August 2021, 07:01:41
If Gekhakrs actually went outside more, maybe consider used market for harley, gotta disinfect though.
_Covid Tests in short supply
Here we go again
_Y'all gotta member, the majority of Qcumbers are not bad people, they're misinformed.
Do not h8, instead, be aware, be vocal, distance when necessary
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 29 August 2021, 08:35:29
Qcumbers are not bad people, they're misinformed.
distance when necessary
No, they are disinformed and worse, they are spreading disinformation. That is a deliberate hostile and anti-social act.
Distance is essential, they regard any sort of engagement as validation. Tragically, I have had to cut my younger brother out of my life for the better part of a year over this.
https://www.dictionary.com/e/misinformation-vs-disinformation-get-informed-on-the-difference/ (https://www.dictionary.com/e/misinformation-vs-disinformation-get-informed-on-the-difference/)
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 30 August 2021, 07:50:27
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 30 August 2021, 11:34:16
https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2021/08/30/judge-orders-cinci-hospital-to-treat-covid-19-patient-with-ivermectin-despite-cdc-warnings/ (https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2021/08/30/judge-orders-cinci-hospital-to-treat-covid-19-patient-with-ivermectin-despite-cdc-warnings/)
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 30 August 2021, 12:07:00
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Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 31 August 2021, 19:06:23
Didn't know people still listened to so much radio.
Post by: chyros on Wed, 01 September 2021, 02:20:15
3 Seperate anti-vax radio hosts died in 1 month.Dude, radio is pretty huge. I imagine it's even bigger in America with all the bible bashing stations.
Didn't know people still listened to so much radio.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 01 September 2021, 06:29:31
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 01 September 2021, 07:52:47
it's even bigger in America with all the bible bashing stations.
Bible bashing? I don't think so. Did you mean "Bible Thumping"?
AM radio in the US is almost exclusively hard-right oriented.
https://newrepublic.com/article/157926/rights-reign-air-waves (https://newrepublic.com/article/157926/rights-reign-air-waves)
Post by: chyros on Wed, 01 September 2021, 11:39:44
I'm not trying to be obtuse or put people in boxes, but I was kind of under the impression that in the US, all bible bashers are far right, and mostly vice versa. Is this inaccurate?
it's even bigger in America with all the bible bashing stations.
Bible bashing? I don't think so. Did you mean "Bible Thumping"?
AM radio in the US is almost exclusively hard-right oriented.
https://newrepublic.com/article/157926/rights-reign-air-waves (https://newrepublic.com/article/157926/rights-reign-air-waves)
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 01 September 2021, 12:28:17
I was kind of under the impression that in the US, all bible bashers are far right, and mostly vice versa. Is this inaccurate?
Your response sent me on a quest of dictionary and slang definitions, and specifically US/UK differences. That is something that I often find myself doing.
In the US, the word "bash" almost universally means hating, crushing, destroying, etc. I have never actually heard anyone say "Bible-bashing" although "God-bashing" and "religion-bashing" are not uncommon. I think that if you said "Bible-bashing" in the US, 99%+ of people would assume that you are talking about speaking out vehemently and aggressively against Western religion.
On the other hand, "Bible-thumping" is a VERY common and widely accepted (even by those who do it) expression derived from evangelists' habit of touching or tapping a Bible to emphasize the points that they are making during their screeds.
So yes, your point was correct although it would not commonly have been taken so in this country.
And while it is true that most religious zealots gravitate towards the far right end of the spectrum (although not necessarily for the same reasons) not all right-wingers are religious. But that does not stop the accusatory rhetoric about "liberal aetheists" (a not-subtle rebranding of "Godless Communists") and a fervent desire to demolish the wall of separation between Church and State.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 01 September 2021, 13:09:32
It's not so much right/ left ideology as it is a case of THOSE LEFT BEHIND the socio-economic gap..
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 01 September 2021, 13:14:26
You have to be poor and poorly educated to be a (Legit) bible thumper.
Where do you get that? I have never heard the term associated with either economics or education.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/bible-thumper (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/bible-thumper)
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Bible-thumper (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Bible-thumper)
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 01 September 2021, 13:41:32
You have to be poor and poorly educated to be a (Legit) bible thumper.
Where do you get that? I have never heard the term associated with either economics or education.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/bible-thumper (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/bible-thumper)
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Bible-thumper (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Bible-thumper)
Well there's the Church, which doesn't believe in god, is a tax haven, money laundering system, shadow bank, rapists, etc. Fake_Thumpers are here
Then there's the flock, which operates the cult-lite, vastly comprised of the economically, educationally disadvantaged population. Legit_Thumpers are here
Post by: chyros on Wed, 01 September 2021, 16:47:12
I have never heard the term "bible thumper" before. I indeed meant christian zealots. I've also never heard "bible basher" refer to someone who is actually opposes religion. Interesting. You learn something new every day.
I was kind of under the impression that in the US, all bible bashers are far right, and mostly vice versa. Is this inaccurate?
Your response sent me on a quest of dictionary and slang definitions, and specifically US/UK differences. That is something that I often find myself doing.
In the US, the word "bash" almost universally means hating, crushing, destroying, etc. I have never actually heard anyone say "Bible-bashing" although "God-bashing" and "religion-bashing" are not uncommon. I think that if you said "Bible-bashing" in the US, 99%+ of people would assume that you are talking about speaking out vehemently and aggressively against Western religion.
On the other hand, "Bible-thumping" is a VERY common and widely accepted (even by those who do it) expression derived from evangelists' habit of touching or tapping a Bible to emphasize the points that they are making during their screeds.
So yes, your point was correct although it would not commonly have been taken so in this country.
And while it is true that most religious zealots gravitate towards the far right end of the spectrum (although not necessarily for the same reasons) not all right-wingers are religious. But that does not stop the accusatory rhetoric about "liberal aetheists" (a not-subtle rebranding of "Godless Communists") and a fervent desire to demolish the wall of separation between Church and State.
My impression on right-and-religious was partly reinforced by how many popular far-right show hosts appear to be vehement christians, frequently spouting christian taboos and intolerances. They are often easy to pick out in the comments on my videos, as well xD .
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 01 September 2021, 17:21:25
“England and America are two countries separated by the same language!”
Post by: Kavik on Wed, 01 September 2021, 23:43:33
I have never heard the term "bible thumper" before. I indeed meant christian zealots. I've also never heard "bible basher" refer to someone who is actually opposes religion. Interesting. You learn something new every day.
I was kind of under the impression that in the US, all bible bashers are far right, and mostly vice versa. Is this inaccurate?
Your response sent me on a quest of dictionary and slang definitions, and specifically US/UK differences. That is something that I often find myself doing.
In the US, the word "bash" almost universally means hating, crushing, destroying, etc. I have never actually heard anyone say "Bible-bashing" although "God-bashing" and "religion-bashing" are not uncommon. I think that if you said "Bible-bashing" in the US, 99%+ of people would assume that you are talking about speaking out vehemently and aggressively against Western religion.
On the other hand, "Bible-thumping" is a VERY common and widely accepted (even by those who do it) expression derived from evangelists' habit of touching or tapping a Bible to emphasize the points that they are making during their screeds.
So yes, your point was correct although it would not commonly have been taken so in this country.
And while it is true that most religious zealots gravitate towards the far right end of the spectrum (although not necessarily for the same reasons) not all right-wingers are religious. But that does not stop the accusatory rhetoric about "liberal aetheists" (a not-subtle rebranding of "Godless Communists") and a fervent desire to demolish the wall of separation between Church and State.
My impression on right-and-religious was partly reinforced by how many popular far-right show hosts appear to be vehement christians, frequently spouting christian taboos and intolerances. They are often easy to pick out in the comments on my videos, as well xD .
Interesting that in the UK Bible-basher basically means the same as Bible-thumper. I hadn't heard the former term. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/bible-basher
I seem to remember "Bible Bash" being a Bible related trivia game in school however.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 02 September 2021, 07:30:07
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 02 September 2021, 22:34:50
Approval doesn't matter, testing no longer matters (I heard one claim they want 10 years), my brother is now only opposed to getting it because the gov says he has to for work (in a hospital). Keep in mind he gets a LOT of money from that same government for foster/adopted kids and much of his employment history has been through the same gov. Someone close dying is the ONLY thing that will convince him and even that may not.
What is truly amazing is how many of their leaders saying to not get the shot already got the shot and yet they follow blindly, and then call us the sheep.
I find it deeply ironic that people who belong to religious groups, called a flock, think we're the sheep.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 03 September 2021, 01:23:57
The goalpost no longer exists.
Approval doesn't matter, testing no longer matters (I heard one claim they want 10 years), my brother is now only opposed to getting it because the gov says he has to for work (in a hospital). Keep in mind he gets a LOT of money from that same government for foster/adopted kids and much of his employment history has been through the same gov. Someone close dying is the ONLY thing that will convince him and even that may not.
What is truly amazing is how many of their leaders saying to not get the shot already got the shot and yet they follow blindly, and then call us the sheep.
I find it deeply ironic that people who belong to religious groups, called a flock, think we're the sheep.
They Paying the Iron Price ?
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 03 September 2021, 02:07:59
There’s a massage chair in the break room, piles of granola bars and cheese sticks. But nurses often skip meals.
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 03 September 2021, 07:25:49
then call us the sheep.
I find it deeply ironic that people who belong to religious groups, called a flock, think we're the sheep.
To my ears, the most breathtaking irony of all is when conspiracy theorists refer to THEMSELVES as having been "red-pilled"
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 03 September 2021, 17:41:21
Why haven't they rioted ?
Is florida gon'be like Escape from NY (1981).
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 03 September 2021, 18:19:43
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 04 September 2021, 20:33:29
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 05 September 2021, 13:07:08
Severe ivermectin poisoning on the rise.. ??
Maybe or maybe not. I saw that headline and then one recanting the story. Let's get the narrative changed to computer chips helping covid. Ramp up production facilities immediately! This is one I can get behind
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 05 September 2021, 13:23:40
https://www.ajc.com/politics/politics-blog/the-jolt-anti-vaxxers-shut-down-vaccination-event-harass-state-health-workers/KJBPDZ5NCBHSHPSBUI5IYMNR6U/ (https://www.ajc.com/politics/politics-blog/the-jolt-anti-vaxxers-shut-down-vaccination-event-harass-state-health-workers/KJBPDZ5NCBHSHPSBUI5IYMNR6U/)
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 05 September 2021, 14:30:48
Bigger towns/ cities will be fine.
Medium waning towns (where more young people left) may have trouble, as they can't reproduce fast enough to replace lost labor, it may be unsustainable and collapse..
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Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 05 September 2021, 17:23:52
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Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 05 September 2021, 21:11:21
/confused
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 06 September 2021, 18:13:24
Under imaging, covid lung is WORSE than smoker's lungs. And people give smokers beef about their lungs all the time.
Oxygenation is the primary cause for hospital admission, Alveoli damage, the airsacs are difficult if not impossible to regenerate. COPD (Emphysema) very common post damage.
If you get on a ventilator, then it's bad forever. 75%-90% you'll die though so. odds right?
Why is this not scary for people?
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 06 September 2021, 20:00:02
If you get anywhere near requiring hospitalization it's like taking a shotgun to the lungs. You may survive, but you're gonna have bad lungs for a long time , if not forever...
Under imaging, covid lung is WORSE than smoker's lungs. And people give smokers beef about their lungs all the time.
Oxygenation is the primary cause for hospital admission, Alveoli damage, the airsacs are difficult if not impossible to regenerate. COPD (Emphysema) very common post damage.
If you get on a ventilator, then it's bad forever. 75%-90% you'll die though so. odds right?
Why is this not scary for people?
It is scary for people. It's why over 70% of the population has had at least 1 shot. It's why most of the people in the US wear masks. :cool:
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 06 September 2021, 20:09:01
It is scary. It's why over 70% of the population has had at least 1 shot. It's why most of the people in the US wear masks.
No dispute on the 70%, but pretty much not seeing masking these days. it's like 50% on a good day. most often less.
/Scared
Post by: SilitekModder on Tue, 07 September 2021, 11:20:13
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 07 September 2021, 16:46:27
Was not vaccinated.
Prettttty serial y'all, / Gasssssp......
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 07 September 2021, 20:48:47
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21783912/ (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21783912/)
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 08 September 2021, 08:13:29
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 08 September 2021, 20:01:55
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 09 September 2021, 23:15:50
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Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 09 September 2021, 23:28:13
__ Y'all Qaeda
__ Antiva
__ Allahu Snack bar
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 09 September 2021, 23:39:44
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 10 September 2021, 07:43:49
8 Tennessee school employees die of covid in the first month of school opening.
Adults publicly heckle Tennessee HS student as he gave speech about grandmother's death in front of education board.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 10 September 2021, 07:52:42
For some reason, the bad grammar and misspelling is not surprising. Started off ok, guess they gave up on proofreading mid page.
A Hughmahnn actually wrote this. AI has clearly surpassed Many hughmahns at this point.
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Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 10 September 2021, 08:36:54
So, they get a feed from the patient and machines, and they just watch from online, and if something's up, needs to be done, they call the staffing
VIRTUAL + ICU.. Seeeeems, Unsafe, guess this is an emergency scenario with the staffing problem.
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Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 10 September 2021, 08:43:29
they get a feed from the patient and machines, and they just watch from online
That makes total sense to me. With numerous patients to be monitored, just watching the screens could certainly be a full-time job.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 10 September 2021, 08:50:25
they get a feed from the patient and machines, and they just watch from online
That makes total sense to me. With numerous patients to be monitored, just watching the screens could certainly be a full-time job.
Have you ever had a skype drop-out suddenly or some other computer malfunction, Now that dropped call is a life.
We understand the principal sure, but this is the very edge of the cliff now.
Post by: dingusxmcgee on Fri, 10 September 2021, 08:57:44
Wthh... There is such a thing as a VIRTUAL ICU nursing position now ?I believe this has been a thing for a while now.
So, they get a feed from the patient and machines, and they just watch from online, and if something's up, needs to be done, they call the staffing
VIRTUAL + ICU.. Seeeeems, Unsafe, guess this is an emergency scenario with the staffing problem.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/hVaXskJ.gif)
I worked IT in a hospital several years ago and they had a station with a big ol workstation and a tv with views from a camera in every patient room on that floor.
Nobody was dedicated to it though.
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 10 September 2021, 21:01:08
Unfortunately most covid patients vitals are so far below normal they actually can't get the alarms to stop regardless of how far down they dial the settings, meaning it's all they hear constantly. I'd have quit that job just for that reason alone.
Expect these people to become more unhinged.
Biden's declaration will help the majority but it's going to further galvanize the extremists, though to be fair it doesn't matter what you do you aren't talking those people back from the ledge and you can't work around them, you only option is to save who you can and slap them down like whack-a-mole. Frankly I'm glad it happened now, maybe it will stop some of them before they die on some dumbass hill leaving a family destitute.
Post by: SilitekModder on Fri, 10 September 2021, 22:13:51
Post by: dingusxmcgee on Fri, 10 September 2021, 22:31:12
Ivermectin worked fine when me and my family got Covid, I don't care about any politics behind it.Curious if the mods are out there deleting this guys posts
Post by: SilitekModder on Fri, 10 September 2021, 22:41:41
They are. Or at least one is.Ivermectin worked fine when me and my family got Covid, I don't care about any politics behind it.Curious if the mods are out there deleting this guys posts
But it may be just a spam filter, since there are probably scammers and spammers trying to sell various COVID medicines running about.
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 11 September 2021, 10:21:42
"The National Institutes of Health in the United States recently stated that “there are insufficient data to recommend either for or against the use of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19,” and the World Health Organization recommends against its use outside of clinical trials."
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19 (https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19)
Post by: SilitekModder on Sat, 11 September 2021, 20:02:30
I wish everyone good health on whatever path you choose to treat or prevent this virus.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 13 September 2021, 10:01:10
Oblivious patients remove their bipap, (oxygen apparatus), They get up from their bed, and start to code (dying) right there on the floor.
PROBLEM: If the Nurse can't put their gowns on fast enough (short staffed, etc) to get in there. they die just like that. all of 60 seconds.
One might think, well can't they just tell the patient to put the bipap back on, trouble is, their oxygenation drops so quickly, they get instantly confused, and can't form the sense to put it back on.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 13 September 2021, 10:23:07
THEY project that ~85% vaccination rate is required to avoid (THEIR) criteria for lockdown..
Sooooooo.... overlay that with USA-South... we're in big trouble..
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 15 September 2021, 06:19:31
So, covid has now impacted the innocent horses.
It's getting REALLY desperate out there, infections are extremely high, fear of death drives the demand. The deep web market places, Yup, there they are
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 15 September 2021, 06:40:58
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Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 15 September 2021, 06:52:20
Mouthwash is too casual .....
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 15 September 2021, 08:02:37
Gargling iodine.
But it doesn't hurt your mouth nearly as much as bleach.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 15 September 2021, 08:06:29
Gargling iodine.
But it doesn't hurt your mouth nearly as much as bleach.
It made wounds brown colored back when tp4 went outside and scraped his knees.
Question is does it also dye mouth/ tongue color ?
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 15 September 2021, 08:21:33
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 15 September 2021, 12:32:00
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/interactive/2021/1-in-500-covid-deaths/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F34ae483%2F61421ba09d2fdaecb9da42f0%2F5ffef760ade4e20f199431df%2F9%2F70%2F61421ba09d2fdaecb9da42f0 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/interactive/2021/1-in-500-covid-deaths/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F34ae483%2F61421ba09d2fdaecb9da42f0%2F5ffef760ade4e20f199431df%2F9%2F70%2F61421ba09d2fdaecb9da42f0)
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 15 September 2021, 14:33:57
India is between 3-5 million.
World wide, it's some where between 7 and 18 million. (data gap in poorer countries)
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 16 September 2021, 12:09:59
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 17 September 2021, 06:21:29
This will go splendid, antivaxxers + hardware brain disorder.
Post by: chyros on Fri, 17 September 2021, 08:47:36
Up to 30% of Covid patients suffer post-viral dysautonomia, long-Covid type neurological disorders; lingering brain fog, short-term memory loss, cognitive issues, dizziness, rapid heartbeat, and fast breathing.You mean they'll become even stupider? Is that possible?
This will go splendid, antivaxxers + hardware brain disorder.
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 17 September 2021, 09:05:30
You mean they'll become even stupider?
It is not stupidity in the usual sense of the word (although they are incredibly stupid). Anti-vaxxing is a deliberate act of making a statement of defiance.
Defiance of what? Well, that is a more complex question. They are frightened and disoriented living in the modern world, so they are lashing out against "the modern world" itself.
As we said in the US, Trump was elected because millions of people in America decided to "vote with their middle finger" even though that, too, was utterly self-destructive and counter-productive - "Draining the Swamp" by electing the biggest, fattest, ugliest, meanest alligator they had ever seen.
Post by: dgneo on Fri, 17 September 2021, 09:36:34
Ivermectin worked fine when me and my family got Covid, I don't care about any politics behind it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 17 September 2021, 20:55:42
More like feeling hungover or a minor migraine.Up to 30% of Covid patients suffer post-viral dysautonomia, long-Covid type neurological disorders; lingering brain fog, short-term memory loss, cognitive issues, dizziness, rapid heartbeat, and fast breathing.You mean they'll become even stupider? Is that possible?
This will go splendid, antivaxxers + hardware brain disorder.
The list is a lot longer than that (I posted a link earlier in the thread) and based on SARS can come and go for up to 2.5 years after.
Anti-vaxxers need to get over this "it's only 1%" because it doesn't have to kill you can't make life hell, or at least a pain in the neck at times.
Post by: SilitekModder on Fri, 17 September 2021, 22:54:38
Post by: SilitekModder on Sat, 18 September 2021, 00:17:10
This is why I do not visit Reddit anymore, it is full of toxic circlejerking and making fun of people's death.Ivermectin worked fine when me and my family got Covid, I don't care about any politics behind it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/
Post by: chyros on Sat, 18 September 2021, 02:51:45
That Reddit is toxic I don't dispute for an instant, but frankly to me it looks more like they're making fun of the fact that these people keep talking about god, jesus and Trump and all sorts of other nonsense. That none if those will save them in the end isn't even worth pointing out, I think.This is why I do not visit Reddit anymore, it is full of toxic circlejerking and making fun of people's death.Ivermectin worked fine when me and my family got Covid, I don't care about any politics behind it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/
Post by: Leslieann on Sat, 18 September 2021, 04:31:28
Apparently the feds just screwed up the supply of antibodies to my state. Thanks a lot for the "help"government...You didn't want it and didn't take it, but yes, by all means, it was their fault.
Just curious what kind of help you expected.
Ever heard the story of the drowning man?
A fellow was stuck on his rooftop in a flood. He was praying to God for help.
Soon a man in a rowboat came by and the fellow shouted to the man on the roof, "Jump in, I can save you."
The stranded fellow shouted back, "No, it's OK, I'm praying to God and he is going to save me."
So the rowboat went on.
Then a motorboat came by. "The fellow in the motorboat shouted, "Jump in, I can save you."
To this the stranded man said, "No thanks, I'm praying to God and he is going to save me. I have faith."
So the motorboat went on.
Then a helicopter came by and the pilot shouted down, "Grab this rope and I will lift you to safety."
To this the stranded man again replied, "No thanks, I'm praying to God and he is going to save me. I have faith."
So the helicopter reluctantly flew away.
Soon the water rose above the rooftop and the man drowned. He went to Heaven. He finally got his chance to discuss this whole situation with God, at which point he exclaimed, "I had faith in you but you didn't save me, you let me drown. I don't understand why!"
To this God replied, "I sent you a rowboat and a motorboat and a helicopter, what more did you expect?"
We have masks, we have a vaccine, it's proven, it's tested, we know it works... What more do you expect.
And yes, the gov is always screwing up, for a very simple reason, it's rule by committee. A committee never gets it fully right or fully fully wrong, it's always just mediocre. We have over 500 people trying to rule as committee (and often acting on their own behalf) and if you asked them to take a vote on taking a bathroom break or pissing themselves half would vote to piss themselves just to watch the other side have to do it as well. Throw in a mix of money, thieves, liars, cheapskates, swindlers, gass-lighting a**holes and those who really do just want to watch it all burn and you get the the US Congress... Even if you have a bunch wanting to do the right thing, someone else will surely try and spoil it, and don't just blame one side, both do it, just not always for the same reason.
Post by: Leslieann on Sat, 18 September 2021, 04:43:49
That Reddit is toxic I don't dispute for an instant, but frankly to me it looks more like they're making fun of the fact that these people keep talking about god, jesus and Trump and all sorts of other nonsense. That none if those will save them in the end isn't even worth pointing out, I think.This is why I do not visit Reddit anymore, it is full of toxic circlejerking and making fun of people's death.Ivermectin worked fine when me and my family got Covid, I don't care about any politics behind it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/
It's dark humor and way for people to cope in rough situations.
Work in any industry that deals with hazards or death or and such and you will see it constantly. Is it a bit messed up? Yeah, but so is the situation.
The Herman Cain award is just the Darwin Awards for Covid deniers.
Most people in that Reddit likely didn't want the people to die but at the same time these people did it to themselves which is why it's named what it is. Hermain Cain was a Trump presidential cabinet member with stage 4 Colon cancer and given a 30% survival rate chose to go to a political rally, without a mask, during a pandemic to show support for his party/president. He caught Covid and died of it before the cancer could kill him.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 18 September 2021, 07:56:09
I mean, the nurses would know.. The hospitals, etc, But on the outside, I don't have any proof.
This disconnect is probably the main reason why you can spread misinformation.
So if antivaxxer struggles on how to read / use the internet, they see a sign that says Fake news, You are the chosen one, and they're like, well maybe... maybe.... I like how this sign tells me I'm special.
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 18 September 2021, 08:12:09
This disconnect
tells me I'm special.
Where I used to work there were many "right-wingers" who occasionally tried to engage me in social/political conversations.
Of all the diversionary argumentative techniques that they employed (and they used them all) the one that was most infuriating to me was their relentless application of false equivalencies.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 18 September 2021, 08:37:57
The dying dude (Joe) rescued from the hospital by Antivaxxers, returned to the hospital a day later, and is now dead.
How is that not murder?
Post by: SilitekModder on Sat, 18 September 2021, 15:43:36
I didn't need the antibodies because I am in my 20s. I took zinc and Ivermectin (human grade prescribed by our doctor) and niquil/dayquil. An elderly friend however needed the antibodies, thankfully he got them before the supply was cut. He is getting better now (will keep you guys updated on how he does).Apparently the feds just screwed up the supply of antibodies to my state. Thanks a lot for the "help"government...You didn't want it and didn't take it, but yes, by all means, it was their fault.
Lots of people here used the antibodies so I do not know what you mean by this.
Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 19 September 2021, 03:48:23
Will covid likely kill you, no, but it could mess you up for a long time or for life without actually killing you.I didn't need the antibodies because I am in my 20s. I took zinc and Ivermectin (human grade prescribed by our doctor) and niquil/dayquil. An elderly friend however needed the antibodies, thankfully he got them before the supply was cut. He is getting better now (will keep you guys updated on how he does).Apparently the feds just screwed up the supply of antibodies to my state. Thanks a lot for the "help"government...You didn't want it and didn't take it, but yes, by all means, it was their fault.
Lots of people here used the antibodies so I do not know what you mean by this.
Also you not getting it, is why this is dragging on so long.
A healthy immune system is great, but it only goes so far. And how do you know yours is great? You could have early stages of cancer, undiagnosed heart issues or others and not know. Just because you seem healthy doesn't mean you actually are and worse, with this is unpredictable anyhow. Asthmatics and smokers were scared to death, turned out that lung problems they have actually inhibited Covid from latching on and were actually spared the worst of it. Just one instance where being healthier was not actually better.
I'd rather listen to a well revered virologist (along with most of the rest of them) than some general practitioner doctor who prescribes vitamins to cure a pandemic.
As for you supply, was it cut after the last batch sat and expired, as happened in several states/counties? They aren't going to keep sending tons of it if you won't use it and it just goes bad (then you cry above government waste!). I don't buy that it was cut just because they were incompetent, there was a reason the supply was cut, most likely no demand.
Post by: SilitekModder on Sun, 19 September 2021, 10:55:45
1. Vaccine
2. Die
But the governor is letting more people know about the antibodies so demand will go up (This is how I heard about it and suggested it to my friend who previously was getting no treatment at all.)
Post by: chyros on Sun, 19 September 2021, 12:23:22
You can blame the media that many people think your only options are:I'm assuming you think it's the pro-vax media that are saying that, but I'm pretty sure that it's actually the anti-vax media who say that. Because if you know anything at all about what's been happening the last one and a half years, you know that that's not only not true, it also completely misses every single point a pro-vaxxer would make.
1. Vaccine
2. Die
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 20 September 2021, 08:29:30
It's not scary when Tp4 says it, hey guyz: Monster Variant,
But when you hear dr.Fauci says it, it'be ligh, we all gon'Die.
Then you realize, welllll..... You've got ALLLL of Africa and much of south Asia with anywhere between 2-5 years before comparable vaccination rate.
Delta came in only 1 YEAR..... we're going to roll the dice 2 to 5 more times ? ++ Climate Catastrophe
Post by: SilitekModder on Mon, 20 September 2021, 20:49:54
I haven't heard any advice on alternate treatments from most big media sources, any alternate treatments are shot down or suppressed by them and my government officials (HCQ, Ivermectin, the antibodies, etc.), something foul is going on here.You can blame the media that many people think your only options are:I'm assuming you think it's the pro-vax media that are saying that, but I'm pretty sure that it's actually the anti-vax media who say that. Because if you know anything at all about what's been happening the last one and a half years, you know that that's not only not true, it also completely misses every single point a pro-vaxxer would make.
1. Vaccine
2. Die
Post by: 1391401 on Mon, 20 September 2021, 21:50:25
I haven't heard any advice on alternate treatments from most big media sources, any alternate treatments are shot down or suppressed by them and my government officials (HCQ, Ivermectin, the antibodies, etc.), something foul is going on here.It's most likely because they have extremely niche requirements in order to be effective (sunlight, bleach, ivermectin) and have proven to not be reliable/effective in a clinical setting. Not sure where you live but "the antibodies" (monoclonal antibody) is a treatment widely understood to reduce significant infection where I live (notable people who got this treatment include Trump and Joe Rogan).
Post by: chyros on Tue, 21 September 2021, 02:14:30
They may as well say drinking honey or rosewater doesn't work either.I haven't heard any advice on alternate treatments from most big media sources, any alternate treatments are shot down or suppressed by them and my government officials (HCQ, Ivermectin, the antibodies, etc.), something foul is going on here.You can blame the media that many people think your only options are:I'm assuming you think it's the pro-vax media that are saying that, but I'm pretty sure that it's actually the anti-vax media who say that. Because if you know anything at all about what's been happening the last one and a half years, you know that that's not only not true, it also completely misses every single point a pro-vaxxer would make.
1. Vaccine
2. Die
US big media is possibly the most untrustworthy Western source I know anyway, it's absolutely laughable. I think Al Qaeda Radio or whatever might be more reliable.
Anyway, if you google "does ivermectic work against covid" the first result is a nice, succinct FDA page.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 21 September 2021, 07:58:22
This is gon'go'supr'gud
Post by: Shapey Fiend on Tue, 21 September 2021, 18:10:35
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 22 September 2021, 07:54:34
.....sigh....//
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 23 September 2021, 09:47:47
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 24 September 2021, 07:29:43
https://www.healthline.com/health/can-hydrogen-peroxide-kill-you#food-grade (https://www.healthline.com/health/can-hydrogen-peroxide-kill-you#food-grade)
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 24 September 2021, 09:52:22
Ques: How do you not punch people? (covid antivaxxers)
Funeral Embalmer: By telling myself that one day I'll probably get to shove their dead body in a fire.
HAHAHAHAHahahahahahahahahhahag4y8o9hgvbi8l4y78l9b4y8l9vb4y8ol
Post by: Leslieann on Sat, 25 September 2021, 03:57:35
Have you guys heard about the latest fad? Inhaling hydrogen peroxide !The vax is untested, but lets use horse dewormer and inhaler peroxide...
https://www.healthline.com/health/can-hydrogen-peroxide-kill-you#food-grade (https://www.healthline.com/health/can-hydrogen-peroxide-kill-you#food-grade)
Some seriously flawed logic here.
Not sure if I posted it here or not but I've been telling people once ivermectin is shown to not work well, they will find some other thing that's cheaper and/or easier to get in order to drive looks. It happened with silverhwatever, then it was ivermectin, and drinking bleach... now inhaling peroxide. Anti-vaxx is not about saving people, it's about views, looks and money.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 25 September 2021, 07:34:19
The vax is untested, but lets use horse dewormer and inhaler peroxide...
Some seriously flawed logic here.
Not sure if I posted it here or not but I've been telling people once ivermectin is shown to not work well, they will find some other thing that's cheaper and/or easier to get in order to drive looks. It happened with silverhwatever, then it was ivermectin, and drinking bleach... now inhaling peroxide. Anti-vaxx is not about saving people, it's about views, looks and money.
how are they even inhaling peroxide ? Is it not bubbly fluid ?
Post by: chyros on Sun, 26 September 2021, 03:22:32
My friend who has been treated with Ivermectin and antibodies, is now COVID-free. Score for the antivax team!4,757,639 covid deaths so far ( https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/ ) . I'd say that makes the vaxxers lead by 4,757,639 to 1.
Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 26 September 2021, 04:04:53
how are they even inhaling peroxide ? Is it not bubbly fluid ?[/color]Using a nebulizer.
It's a great way to royally f*ck up your lungs.
My friend who has been treated with Ivermectin and antibodies, is now COVID-free. Score for the antivax team!Not everyone dies without meds, around day 10 your either going to get over the hump and start feeling better or start going downhill rapidly. Just because someone got better while taking it, proves absolutely nothing, especially if they started taking it on day 8-10 which tends to be the peak of sickness and about the time people start resorting to whatever they can find.
I took nothing, not even cough syrup and I beat it, taking Ivermectin and getting better proves nothing. They could just as likely gotten over it just as easily, or possibly even easier without Ivermectin.
You need multiple subjects, plus a control group to figure out if it actually did anything, much less helped and that has not been done.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 26 September 2021, 07:14:56
My friend who has been treated with Ivermectin and antibodies, is now COVID-free. Score for the antivax team!4,757,639 covid deaths so far ( https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/ ) . I'd say that makes the vaxxers lead by 4,757,639 to 1.
We're EASILY at 10-30 million, they're undercounting.
Post by: chyros on Sun, 26 September 2021, 07:18:06
Obviously they're undercounting. Pretty sure these are confirmed cases only.My friend who has been treated with Ivermectin and antibodies, is now COVID-free. Score for the antivax team!4,757,639 covid deaths so far ( https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/ ) . I'd say that makes the vaxxers lead by 4,757,639 to 1.
We're EASILY at 10-30 million, they're undercounting.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 26 September 2021, 08:01:54
Obviously they're undercounting. Pretty sure these are confirmed cases only.
We're EASILY at 10-30 million, they're undercounting.
Crazy thing is with Delta, Herd Immunity is impossible. Which means even when we get to say 90% vaxx, The virus will still_FIND the unvaxxed-population and have the same 2-6% kill rate.
Which means right now (if nothing changes), there's still between 1.4 million to 4.2 million willing victims left to go in the USA out of the 70m unvaxxed .
Post by: SilitekModder on Sun, 26 September 2021, 12:05:04
Is that since Wuhan or since the vaccine?My friend who has been treated with Ivermectin and antibodies, is now COVID-free. Score for the antivax team!4,757,639 covid deaths so far ( https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/ ) . I'd say that makes the vaxxers lead by 4,757,639 to 1.
Post by: chyros on Sun, 26 September 2021, 12:36:18
Looks like Jan 2020, judging by the data on the website.Is that since Wuhan or since the vaccine?My friend who has been treated with Ivermectin and antibodies, is now COVID-free. Score for the antivax team!4,757,639 covid deaths so far ( https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/ ) . I'd say that makes the vaxxers lead by 4,757,639 to 1.
Post by: ItIsWritten on Sun, 26 September 2021, 18:26:36
Do you mean a quarter of the deaths worldwide are now from Covid?My friend who has been treated with Ivermectin and antibodies, is now COVID-free. Score for the antivax team!4,757,639 covid deaths so far ( https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-toll/ ) . I'd say that makes the vaxxers lead by 4,757,639 to 1.
We're EASILY at 10-30 million, they're undercounting.
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Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 27 September 2021, 13:08:15
https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid (https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid)
And back to the emotion vs science debate in the US:
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/vigilante-treatments-anti-vaccine-groups-push-people-leave-icus-rcna2233 (https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/vigilante-treatments-anti-vaccine-groups-push-people-leave-icus-rcna2233)
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 27 September 2021, 13:48:13
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 27 September 2021, 13:51:53
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Post by: Quinella on Tue, 28 September 2021, 00:32:35
Post by: Leslieann on Tue, 28 September 2021, 04:57:33
Mom's on a ventilator or headed there, dad is right behind her and her brothers and sisters (and several of their children) are also now infected.
All have been completely reckless about it, not to mention complete a$$holes, they've all but alienated themselves from long time friends and family.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 28 September 2021, 06:32:38
My sister-in-law and pretty much here whole immediate family now has it.
Mom's on a ventilator or headed there, dad is right behind her and her brothers and sisters (and several of their children) are also now infected.
All have been completely reckless about it, not to mention complete a$$holes, they've all but alienated themselves from long time friends and family.
Hughmahnss what ya gon' do //sighh....
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 28 September 2021, 08:27:41
All have been completely reckless about it
The question that I keep asking myself about all of these bizarre anti-social behaviors is:
What are they hoping to accomplish ?
Post by: 1391401 on Tue, 28 September 2021, 09:54:28
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 28 September 2021, 10:09:08
Not sure what you're posting. While I halve always 100% support an open and "free" internet I myself have reached a fatigue point with misinformation
Agreed.
I also have no idea what Zeal could possibly have to do with any of this.
Consider this a gentle reminder that misinformation will be removed.
Post by: Signature on Tue, 28 September 2021, 10:10:31
Zealios commie confirmed?Not sure what you're posting. While I halve always 100% support an open and "free" internet I myself have reached a fatigue point with misinformation
I also have no idea what Zeal could possibly have to do with any of this.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 28 September 2021, 11:37:38
That initial paper was retracted as " it was discovered that some of the paper’s authors had financial links to the tobacco industry. " So there you go, Tobacco industry at it again, killing their base.
Smokers are 60-80% more likely to be hospitalized based on Oxford study pulling the now available large dataset.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 29 September 2021, 12:17:06
These are 0.25-0.5 $Million dollar machines, and require trained operators. hahahahaha
Post by: chyros on Wed, 29 September 2021, 16:10:06
Ok, now this is hilarious. Antivaxxer wants to buy ECMO machine for Home Use instead of taking the vaccine.I imagine it'd be fairly difficult to get hold of one now too xD .
These are 0.25-0.5 $Million dollar machines, and require trained operators. hahahahaha
Post by: Shapey Fiend on Thu, 30 September 2021, 16:22:30
I don't want to draw the mods ire by suggesting horse paste is what's saved me so far but I can confirm an increased libido & my mane is glossy.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 30 September 2021, 17:22:36
I don't want to draw the mods ire by suggesting horse paste is what's saved me so far but I can confirm an increased libido & my mane is glossy.
Try No Poo, it's all the rage..
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 01 October 2021, 02:21:03
It's been a thing for years.I don't want to draw the mods ire by suggesting horse paste is what's saved me so far but I can confirm an increased libido & my mane is glossy.Try No Poo, it's all the rage..
*It means "no shampoo", just conditioner.
Most shampoos are extremely detergent heavy and strip all vitamins, minerals and oils from your hair, then you need heavy conditioners to put it all back. Before silicones and tv people didn't wash their hair daily, that was companies pushing that on you with commercials to sell more product. This where the excuse to skip out on date became "I'm washing my hair" because most did it only a couple times a week). To replace those things, you need a heavy conditioner and to hide the damage being done they load the conditioner up with silicones (anything ingredient with "cones" in the name is a silicone), now you need a heavy shampoo just to strip away the silicone... It's a never ending cycle of purging the good with the bad and hoping to replace enough of the good and hide what you didn't. This becomes more and more difficult the longer you hair. Some conditioners have so much silicone it can not only weigh down your hair but also build up in your home's plumbing. All this ignores the other harsh chems and things in the shampoo and conditioner.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 01 October 2021, 06:52:07
It's been a thing for years.I don't want to draw the mods ire by suggesting horse paste is what's saved me so far but I can confirm an increased libido & my mane is glossy.Try No Poo, it's all the rage..
*It means "no shampoo", just conditioner.
Most shampoos are extremely detergent heavy and strip all vitamins, minerals and oils from your hair, then you need heavy conditioners to put it all back. Before silicones and tv people didn't wash their hair daily, that was companies pushing that on you with commercials to sell more product. This where the excuse to skip out on date became "I'm washing my hair" because most did it only a couple times a week). To replace those things, you need a heavy conditioner and to hide the damage being done they load the conditioner up with silicones (anything ingredient with "cones" in the name is a silicone), now you need a heavy shampoo just to strip away the silicone... It's a never ending cycle of purging the good with the bad and hoping to replace enough of the good and hide what you didn't. This becomes more and more difficult the longer you hair. Some conditioners have so much silicone it can not only weigh down your hair but also build up in your home's plumbing. All this ignores the other harsh chems and things in the shampoo and conditioner.
Gud' summary ..
Tp4's only concern has been environmental pollution sticking to the oils in the hair. we got all this Chemi-Dust.
Maybe a balance can be struck at once a week maybe 2 weeks ?
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 01 October 2021, 07:46:00
:: " medical care shrinks for a population that tends to be older, sicker, heavier, poorer and less vaccinated. "
Why they gotta stick that wurd in there to hurt us.. /mad
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 01 October 2021, 12:49:02
Post by: Leslieann on Sat, 02 October 2021, 04:38:09
Sis-in-law and both her parents are now in I.C.U. on bipaps, they didn't expect her to survive the night, one nephew now has it, the other is still clear, but is also is still attending school.
No one can visit any of them in I.C.U., if you die in there you die alone surrounded only by machines, doesn't matter who you are or who you know.
I hate to see it, but this is what they get.
Want to kill yourself go sacrifice yourself to a volcano, don't take a bunch of others with you.
Post by: Leslieann on Sat, 02 October 2021, 04:52:25
Tp4's only concern has been environmental pollution sticking to the oils in the hair. we got all this Chemi-Dust.Water should strip away the contaminated oil, that's part of the reason it's there.
Maybe a balance can be struck at once a week maybe 2 weeks ?[/size][/color]
With short hair, it's probably more than fine, you can use almost anything with really short hair, military guys are known to just use bar soap for shampoo with no conditioner at all. With really long hair I question if the natural oils can even get that far without spending all day brushing it to push it down to the ends. Even with lots of conditioner mine seems to change about mid back no matter how hard I work it or what shampoo or conditioner I use.
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 02 October 2021, 08:33:59
Well that went bad fast
they didn't expect her to survive the night,
Whoa! That's awful. From the beginning I have been mystified by the differences between responses and reactions, how can it be that the same virus can be so deadly in some circumstances while others have asymptomatic cases and never even notice it?
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 02 October 2021, 09:33:21
Tp4's only concern has been environmental pollution sticking to the oils in the hair. we got all this Chemi-Dust.Water should strip away the contaminated oil, that's part of the reason it's there.
Maybe a balance can be struck at once a week maybe 2 weeks ?
With short hair, it's probably more than fine, you can use almost anything with really short hair, military guys are known to just use bar soap for shampoo with no conditioner at all. With really long hair I question if the natural oils can even get that far without spending all day brushing it to push it down to the ends. Even with lots of conditioner mine seems to change about mid back no matter how hard I work it or what shampoo or conditioner I use.
What is the maximum range of the scalp's natural oils in your experience, in inches, 6-7 inches ?
Post by: chyros on Sat, 02 October 2021, 19:43:36
Yes, this has fundamentally surprised me as well. It's statistically quite expected and explainable, of course, but I'd be lying if I said it's not frightening Oo .
Well that went bad fast
they didn't expect her to survive the night,
Whoa! That's awful. From the beginning I have been mystified by the differences between responses and reactions, how can it be that the same virus can be so deadly in some circumstances while others have asymptomatic cases and never even notice it?
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 02 October 2021, 19:49:29
Yes, this has fundamentally surprised me as well. It's statistically quite expected and explainable, of course, but I'd be lying if I said it's not frightening Oo .
Well that went bad fast
they didn't expect her to survive the night,
Whoa! That's awful. From the beginning I have been mystified by the differences between responses and reactions, how can it be that the same virus can be so deadly in some circumstances while others have asymptomatic cases and never even notice it?
The west is rift with comorbidity is the problem. Covid is like Watergun vs Charizard. It's a weak attack but super effective.
America is 70% overweight, 40% obese. 2/5 people, that's alot.
Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 03 October 2021, 03:32:04
Apparently at least 2 of the 3 are now off bipap, not sure if out of I.C.U. yet though. While I hope this wakes them to the reality of the situation, I;m honestly not sure, I suspect they will blow it off and claim they have another 6 months of immunity and go about their bussines as they always have.
Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 03 October 2021, 04:08:38
What is the maximum range of the scalp's natural oils in your experience, in inches, 6-7 inches ?I would imagine it would depend on the person and hair type.
In my experience, damage to the hair from external sources is more likely to be an issue for most, either from treatments, styling products, coloring, or just daily damage due to length*.
While it all sounds so simple, unless you keep it really short like a buzzcut, you would need to change most of how you treat your hair to do this, just as you would for really long hair.
Since you removed the chemicals to remove other products ALL of your other products also now need to change to avoid buildup or incompatibility (some styling products will not work well on oily hair). And since you are no longer hiding any damage, you need to make sure nothing damages it, less heat in the shower, little to no blow drying, no curlers, no coloring... In the end you end up using many of the same tricks and techniques as really long haired people use.
*Anything shoulder blade length or more is waaaaaaaaaay more prone to damage, from simply sitting to sleeping and only gets worse and worse the longer it gets from there.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 03 October 2021, 04:57:27
Update:
Apparently at least 2 of the 3 are now off bipap, not sure if out of I.C.U. yet though. While I hope this wakes them to the reality of the situation, I;m honestly not sure, I suspect they will blow it off and claim they have another 6 months of immunity and go about their bussines as they always have.
ICU stats are worse than Civilwar hospitals.
Post by: Shapey Fiend on Sun, 03 October 2021, 10:27:26
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 03 October 2021, 10:34:13
I'm quite conscious I'm a stone overweight. Been trying to lose it for 3 years it just doesn't wanna shift!
If exactly 1 stone, nothing to worry about. but 2-3 stones.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 03 October 2021, 19:14:26
It's better than nothing, but damn..... can't believe it's come to this..
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 03 October 2021, 19:39:46
Post by: Leslieann on Mon, 04 October 2021, 03:47:21
Correction from earlier, all 3 were off bipap, and I believe both parents are also now out of I.C.U.
I.C.U., sis-in-law is back on the bipap.
Seriously get the damn vaxx..
Despite it sounding good for the parents at least one has signs of dementia while the other is quite frail and older. Dementia patents do NOT deal well with any life changes and often will go from functional to completly screwed mentally when something bad happens, even if it's unrelated to memory or brain, they fall off a cliff and they may never return. I can't imagine how they will be with low oxygen, away from their spouse and normal day to day life. It's very possible even if both survive they will end up in an assisted living facility. Probably not right away because the family will try and keep them out of it, but from experience I can tell you, if a parent needs it, DO NOT WAIT. Yes, the conditions are not great, but while you think you're helping, you're really just making both of your lives miserable and makes the change harder for them later when they can't understand. Meanwhile you run yourself ragged trying to take care of them and yourself and since you can't be there all the time, worse things can happen to them.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 04 October 2021, 09:21:59
Also Boosters, get dat booster.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 04 October 2021, 18:31:40
Current nurse's account_
There's a CPR coming in and a GSW walked into triage and we really need this combative drug overdose in restraints so please can you help out I'll send someone to assist as soon as I can and my other patient is crashing and there's no time to b r e a t h e.
All I can do is watch helplessly at this mess unfolding. My patient is peeing on the floor now. Another hyperkalemia/missed dialysis patient is on the call light. My COVID patient is 72% and still peeing on the floor. The ER doc and the ICU doc are debating which of the multiple COVID patients holding in the ER take the last vent and the last ICU bed. There's 4 in my pod alone that need it. Respiratory walks past shouting about placing the last bipap in the ER on another patient. My patient is now ****ting the bed while peeing on the floor.
Post by: Leslieann on Tue, 05 October 2021, 06:12:29
Sis-in-law is back off the bipap but still on high oxygen
Her mom who was off bipap but on high oxygen has now gone back on the bipap.
Dad is heading home.
They're lucky they live in a place with good medical or they'd be dead.
Instead of getting vaxxed, my brother has decided to go on warpath with his job and the system, because, you know, that always goes well.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 05 October 2021, 06:59:44
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Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 05 October 2021, 08:24:44
Downsides: minuscule prick of pain from the needle, slight soreness in the upper arm (continuing today), and possibly a slight fever yesterday (but I didn't bother to measure).
Post by: chyros on Tue, 05 October 2021, 15:53:49
I got my 3rd shot yesterday. It was free, essentially painless, and took perhaps 35 minutes total inside the pharmacy.I'd definitely get a 3rd shot if I could. Don't think they're doing it here yet.
Downsides: minuscule prick of pain from the needle, slight soreness in the upper arm (continuing today), and possibly a slight fever yesterday (but I didn't bother to measure).
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 05 October 2021, 16:38:18
I got my 3rd shot yesterday. It was free, essentially painless, and took perhaps 35 minutes total inside the pharmacy.I'd definitely get a 3rd shot if I could. Don't think they're doing it here yet.
Downsides: minuscule prick of pain from the needle, slight soreness in the upper arm (continuing today), and possibly a slight fever yesterday (but I didn't bother to measure).
People have been doing it, -_illegally_-
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 06 October 2021, 07:33:50
Post by: Sintpinty on Wed, 06 October 2021, 10:39:40
I got my 3rd shot yesterday. It was free, essentially painless, and took perhaps 35 minutes total inside the pharmacy.I'd definitely get a 3rd shot if I could. Don't think they're doing it here yet.
Downsides: minuscule prick of pain from the needle, slight soreness in the upper arm (continuing today), and possibly a slight fever yesterday (but I didn't bother to measure).
Same with me
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 06 October 2021, 21:50:26
Dr. Fauci uses a Logitech Brio 4K. _screencap from the new documentary Fauci _
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Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 07 October 2021, 11:08:44
/headscratch, so like, where they gon' go ?
Post by: chyros on Thu, 07 October 2021, 14:34:05
120,000 orphaned in the USA due to Covid.Orphanage? Probably gonna get addicted to drugs from what I've seen.
/headscratch, so like, where they gon' go ?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 07 October 2021, 15:01:24
120,000 orphaned in the USA due to Covid.Orphanage? Probably gonna get addicted to drugs from what I've seen.
/headscratch, so like, where they gon' go ?
There are that many orphanages ?
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 08 October 2021, 03:12:41
The older ones will end up in foster homes, better than an orphanage, but still not always good. Especially for girls.
Amish will adopt a lot of them, it's one of the few ways they get fresh blood in their ranks.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 08 October 2021, 07:52:25
Infants will get adopted out fast.
The older ones will end up in foster homes, better than an orphanage, but still not always good. Especially for girls.
Amish will adopt a lot of them, it's one of the few ways they get fresh blood in their ranks.
This reads like the beginning of one of those nightmare articles involving the Church..
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 08 October 2021, 08:05:37
it's one of the few ways they get fresh blood in their ranks.
the Church
Most religions have been struggling with brain drain for years, and the problem is accelerating. The traditional philosophy is that it is much easier to breed new members than it is to win them over intellectually or emotionally, but that doesn't refresh the gene pool. Adopting outside children is a great solution, but I suspect that older kids who have grown up with technology are generally loathe to give it up.
Post by: blur410 on Sun, 10 October 2021, 12:50:56
TLDR: Im lazy and love sleep, time with friends, and video games. Spending 3 hours during my prime sleep time to drive an hour to walk in to a doctors office in a reasonable area without a gut busting emergency is just wasteful to me.
Disclaimer: I do not have infinite time or money. I do not hang out around elderly people, and I do not fear death as I got the next 20 years of trying to pay off 80k student loans with a 22 bucks an hour wage that I know in my heart of hearts is gonna be hard to pay off without inflation.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 10 October 2021, 12:57:17
TLDR: Im lazy and love sleep, time with friends, and video games. Spending 3 hours during my prime sleep time to drive an hour to walk in to a doctors office in a reasonable area without a gut busting emergency is just wasteful to me.
Disclaimer: I do not have infinite time or money. I do not hang out around elderly people, and I do not fear death as I got the next 20 years of trying to pay off 80k student loans with a 22 bucks an hour wage that I know in my heart of hearts is gonna be hard to pay off without inflation.
There' is an insulation between realities. If you could see what's happening in the hospitals, you may change your mind, but alas, we can only read about it.
30-50 year olds now account for the majority. It goes from nothing to 999 Bad in the blink of an eye.
If you do end up having to GO IN, there's Long-Covid, and permenant lung damage potential. You MAY be a cripple even if you survive.
Because of the insulation from your off-schedule lifestyle, you are not assessing risk correctly.
You have an antivax mother, Being non-vaxxed, YOU ARE A HUGE RISK TO HER On top of Her brainwashing being a huge risk to herself.
If anything you should be MORE motivated to be vaxxed, NOT LESS.
Delta variant Covid will find your mother, and in all likelihood kill her if she remains antivax.
Post by: blur410 on Sun, 10 October 2021, 13:41:30
TLDR: Im lazy and love sleep, time with friends, and video games. Spending 3 hours during my prime sleep time to drive an hour to walk in to a doctors office in a reasonable area without a gut busting emergency is just wasteful to me.
Disclaimer: I do not have infinite time or money. I do not hang out around elderly people, and I do not fear death as I got the next 20 years of trying to pay off 80k student loans with a 22 bucks an hour wage that I know in my heart of hearts is gonna be hard to pay off without inflation.
There' is an insulation between realities. If you could see what's happening in the hospitals, you may change your mind, but alas, we can only read about it.
30-50 year olds now account for the majority. It goes from nothing to 999 Bad in the blink of an eye.
If you do end up having to GO IN, there's Long-Covid, and permenant lung damage potential. You MAY be a cripple even if you survive.
Because of the insulation from your off-schedule lifestyle, you are not assessing risk correctly.
You have an antivax mother, Being non-vaxxed, YOU ARE A HUGE RISK TO HER On top of Her brainwashing being a huge risk to herself.
If anything you should be MORE motivated to be vaxxed, NOT LESS.
Delta variant Covid will find your mother, and in all likelihood kill her if she remains antivax.
Oh well thats her prerogative. I ain't got any more right telling her to get vaccinated for her own protection than the right you have to grab me by the scruff of my beard out of work and carry me to the doctors office on your own penalty. And as for risk I legitimately don't care as far as my health goes as long as I'm either on my death bed or comfortable and if I am disabled it's off to the cripples ward for me and so be it, maybe I'll find my calling that way. Is it destructive? Yes. Will any number of people getting vaccinated change the situation internationally? Look at Israel. They had the highest vaccination rate and had the biggest spike in deaths and hospitalizations as soon as the delta variant came round, it was so bad that anti-vaxxers started touting it like the vaccines were killing people because it correlated so strongly.
I have accepted my life is temporary and fleeting and will enjoy as many last suppers as I can before one of any number of things comes to take my life at any time, even immediately after posting this message, not taking any of my interactions with people for granted. The number one leading cause of death last year in America for 16-45 year olds, my age group, was suicide. In order to mitigate my risk of contracting this I have already vowed myself to not waste my time committing suicide as there are plenty of other things to do with my time that are more fun and impactful to do in the interlude to my expiration. A little morbid, but I prefer to not live in fear. I am young, I know that if I don't take big risks that I will never make it big. And I find my comfort in this flaking time certainty. And I find the doctors office a dreadful place designated with not people who want to help but people who are willing to follow the rules of the pharmacies they operate under.
If you have taken the vaccine, good for you, I may even heed your call to join the camp, but the pandemic is over for you, go live your life and go back to not caring about other people far displaced from you like back in 2019.
If you are still in fear after taking the vaccine and want others pressured to make the same choice you did, you have listened to the anti-vaxxers for too long and need to go relax on the couch and enjoy some coffee in peace while reading a good book.
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 10 October 2021, 14:20:41
the pandemic is over for you
Huh? This is a whole-world problem and until the virus is beaten back (I doubt that it will be eradicated completely) to the point where it is scattered and isolated to a small percentage of the population in most areas it will continue to mutate and proliferate.
Post by: kurplop on Sun, 10 October 2021, 18:05:47
Disclaimer: I do not have infinite time or money. I do not hang out around elderly people, and I do not fear death as I got the next 20 years of trying to pay off 80k student loans with a 22 bucks an hour wage that I know in my heart of hearts is gonna be hard to pay off without inflation.You may not have much to worry about the way inflation is likely to rise in the near future.
Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 10 October 2021, 23:27:14
I have accepted my life is temporary and fleeting and will enjoy as many last suppers as I can before one of any number of things comes to take my life at any time, even immediately after posting this message, not taking any of my interactions with people for granted.It's good to not be scared of death but you might want to consider the transition part from life to death, that's the part that hurts and Covid can drag that out for a long time.
Too many people have this idea that Covid is black and white, you avoid it entirely or you live or you die.
That is very much NOT the case.
As much as 80% have long term recurring issues for years(anxiety, stomach problems, sleep issues, etc) and 15% have life altering debilitating issues after, things like destroyed lungs, amputated limbs, etc.. Covid does weird things and just because you survived does not mean your life will ever be the same again. It took me 3 months to get remotely feeling somewhat normal, and it took almost a year to get back to working like I used to and that's still a struggle on some days. I still have sleep, stomach and anxiety issues because of it, I never had anxiety issues before.
Here's something docs need to be telling people and are not...
The shots re-awaken the side effects, so if you had sleep problems due to Covid and had made progress getting back to normal, getting the shot or a booster can trigger it to start again, shorter, and less severe, but it can re-awaken them. While after is good, you really want the shot before you get Covid, not after.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 11 October 2021, 07:05:54
anxiety issues because of it, I never had anxiety issues before.
Tp4 recommends (High dose) Veggies
Post by: chyros on Mon, 11 October 2021, 07:33:52
If there is ONE depressing thing in the world, it's vegetables. It's got to be the saddest foodstuff known to man.anxiety issues because of it, I never had anxiety issues before.
Tp4 recommends (High dose) Veggies
Post by: fanpeople on Mon, 11 October 2021, 08:01:42
If there is ONE depressing thing in the world, it's vegetables. It's got to be the saddest foodstuff known to man.anxiety issues because of it, I never had anxiety issues before.
Tp4 recommends (High dose) Veggies
I like onions though. Onions are happy.
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 11 October 2021, 08:25:41
the saddest foodstuff
I never realized that vegetables is one thing.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 11 October 2021, 09:37:38
If there is ONE depressing thing in the world, it's vegetables. It's got to be the saddest foodstuff known to man.anxiety issues because of it, I never had anxiety issues before.
Tp4 recommends (High dose) Veggies
Chyros, as a scientist, you know all about mis-attribution errors. The majority of ALL (meat) dishes's flavor COMES FROM vegetables.
Meat on its own is a highly toxic greasy sponge clinging to the FLAVOR BOMB that is PLANTS.
Post by: chyros on Mon, 11 October 2021, 10:01:19
Veg is the food that my food eats. It's not fit for human consumption, it's not humane to make people eat plants! :pIf there is ONE depressing thing in the world, it's vegetables. It's got to be the saddest foodstuff known to man.anxiety issues because of it, I never had anxiety issues before.
Tp4 recommends (High dose) Veggies
Chyros, as a scientist, you know all about mis-attribution errors. The majority of ALL (meat) dishes's flavor COMES FROM vegetables.
Meat on its own is a highly toxic greasy sponge clinging to the FLAVOR BOMB that is PLANTS.
Post by: blur410 on Mon, 11 October 2021, 10:19:33
Veg is the food that my food eats. It's not fit for human consumption, it's not humane to make people eat plants! :pIf there is ONE depressing thing in the world, it's vegetables. It's got to be the saddest foodstuff known to man.anxiety issues because of it, I never had anxiety issues before.
Tp4 recommends (High dose) Veggies
Chyros, as a scientist, you know all about mis-attribution errors. The majority of ALL (meat) dishes's flavor COMES FROM vegetables.
Meat on its own is a highly toxic greasy sponge clinging to the FLAVOR BOMB that is PLANTS.
Broccoli is simply divine, change my mind.
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 11 October 2021, 12:34:11
it's not humane to make people eat plants!
Clearly you have never had a garden.
Standing in your garden, eating fresh ripe things that you have grown, directly off the plant, is a truly sublime pleasure.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 11 October 2021, 18:57:55
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 12 October 2021, 08:36:23
ALL(meat)dishes's flavor COMES FROMvegetablesdirt.
Fixed that for you.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 12 October 2021, 10:15:19
This is gon' be great y'all
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 12 October 2021, 10:50:03
abbot bans vaccines mandates including private business.
Fortunately, Qcumbers can't recognize or comprehend irony.
Obviously, the way to stop "over-reach" is more over-reach.
Post by: blur410 on Tue, 12 October 2021, 12:32:28
Post by: chyros on Wed, 13 October 2021, 02:35:35
That is correct, I live in a city :p .
it's not humane to make people eat plants!
Clearly you have never had a garden.
Standing in your garden, eating fresh ripe things that you have grown, directly off the plant, is a truly sublime pleasure.
It's one of the worst vegetables in existence. There is a reason it looks like a solidified fart cloud - IT IS :p .Veg is the food that my food eats. It's not fit for human consumption, it's not humane to make people eat plants! :pIf there is ONE depressing thing in the world, it's vegetables. It's got to be the saddest foodstuff known to man.anxiety issues because of it, I never had anxiety issues before.
Tp4 recommends (High dose) Veggies
Chyros, as a scientist, you know all about mis-attribution errors. The majority of ALL (meat) dishes's flavor COMES FROM vegetables.
Meat on its own is a highly toxic greasy sponge clinging to the FLAVOR BOMB that is PLANTS.
Broccoli is simply divine, change my mind.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 13 October 2021, 08:43:05
Yet, their Union is actively fighting the vaccine mandate.
Back of people's minds, they must be thinking, welllll, this is a good thing because a person who's antivax is too much of a moron to be a cop anyway.
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 16 October 2021, 12:07:49
Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 17 October 2021, 03:30:37
All are out of the hospital,
Sis-in-law is still on minimal oxygen but is home.
Nephew is fine.
Her dad is home and doing fine
Mom is expecting to be heading home but will need physical therapy.
Again, Covid is not live or die, black or white, it can screw you up for years or the rest of your life even if you survive it.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 17 October 2021, 03:47:51
Update on family
All are out of the hospital,
Sis-in-law is still on minimal oxygen but is home.
Nephew is fine.
Her dad is home and doing fine
Mom is expecting to be heading home but will need physical therapy.
Again, Covid is not live or die, black or white, it can screw you up for years or the rest of your life even if you survive it.
Also, Permanent lung damage.
(https://i.imgur.com/zh8eloM.gif)
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 17 October 2021, 08:21:32
All are out of the hospital,
Do they all have senses of smell and taste back? Just out of curiosity.
Post by: jamster on Sun, 17 October 2021, 10:57:47
Here's something docs need to be telling people and are not...
The shots re-awaken the side effects, so if you had sleep problems due to Covid and had made progress getting back to normal, getting the shot or a booster can trigger it to start again, shorter, and less severe, but it can re-awaken them. While after is good, you really want the shot before you get Covid, not after.
Hadn't heard of this one. Sheesh, Covid is the gift that just keeps on giving.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 17 October 2021, 11:32:50
Here's something docs need to be telling people and are not...
The shots re-awaken the side effects, so if you had sleep problems due to Covid and had made progress getting back to normal, getting the shot or a booster can trigger it to start again, shorter, and less severe, but it can re-awaken them. While after is good, you really want the shot before you get Covid, not after.
Hadn't heard of this one. Sheesh, Covid is the gift that just keeps on giving.
Also, new one going around is increased activation of Diabetus, as something about increased autoimmune cov antibodies / something something receptors in the pancreas , something something Kills beta cells.
So basically, there is a high rate of lapse into diabetus POST covid.
This May or May not just be an american thing, as americans are commonly prediabetic due to being so fluffy, and the cov-autoimmune syndrome pushes it over the edge.
Either way, FUN FUN FUN for the whole family.
Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 17 October 2021, 21:48:24
Do they all have senses of smell and taste back? Just out of curiosity.Not sure.
Not everyone loses taste or smell (I didn't) and when you do, it can be days or it can take months to get back to normal. I heard one person was still having weird sense of taste 6 months later another needed 3 months for it to even return, but I believe it came back to normal fast once it did.
Coffee seems to be one of the most effected.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 18 October 2021, 00:38:49
<schools have the highest case rate>
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 18 October 2021, 10:51:31
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 18 October 2021, 11:58:07
Just when we thought the pinnacle of crazy had been reached, it just keeps going:
https://wsvn.com/news/local/miami-private-school-to-require-students-getting-covid-vaccine-to-stay-home-for-30-days-after-each-dose/ (https://wsvn.com/news/local/miami-private-school-to-require-students-getting-covid-vaccine-to-stay-home-for-30-days-after-each-dose/)
Post by: chyros on Mon, 18 October 2021, 15:15:01
Powell already had a rare blood cancer, his days were numbered in any case.Wait WAT :))
Just when we thought the pinnacle of crazy had been reached, it just keeps going:
https://wsvn.com/news/local/miami-private-school-to-require-students-getting-covid-vaccine-to-stay-home-for-30-days-after-each-dose/ (https://wsvn.com/news/local/miami-private-school-to-require-students-getting-covid-vaccine-to-stay-home-for-30-days-after-each-dose/)
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 18 October 2021, 15:42:01
Post by: chyros on Tue, 19 October 2021, 03:12:28
Their tuition is only 14K, so you know it's one of those off brand private schools for <almost> rich parents.Highest tuition fee you can get here is 2k, many other countries it's free :p .
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 19 October 2021, 07:18:56
Their tuition is only 14K, so you know it's one of those off brand private schools for <almost> rich parents.Highest tuition fee you can get here is 2k, many other countries it's free :p .
sigh.. income inequality.... humans are stupid.
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 19 October 2021, 08:21:29
humansRepublicans are stupid.
fixed that for you.
Post by: Shapey Fiend on Tue, 19 October 2021, 18:10:11
I predicted the guy who didn't get in wasn't vaxed cos he often rhymes entire bars with each other. Conscious rap is a slippery slope of too many multis and anti vax conspiracy.
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 21 October 2021, 03:56:48
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 21 October 2021, 07:50:03
This movie is fantastic in 4K, Shot on 35mm
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 30 October 2021, 10:13:35
They'll certainly take it now.
Post by: blur410 on Sat, 30 October 2021, 10:27:47
pfizer approved for ages 5-11.
They'll certainly take it now.
What you mean by that?
Post by: suicidal_orange on Sat, 30 October 2021, 12:09:56
pfizer approved for ages 5-11.This age group is barely capable of walking without falling over trying to watch someone walking past them, they will do what they're told by their parents. Average number of children rises as intelligence falls so the percentage of the populate that's vaccinated will only get worse...
They'll certainly take it now.
Side thought: Is the industry still trying to find a cure or are they happy with the indefinite payments for millions of units of "boosters" of the current half solution?
Post by: Leslieann on Sat, 30 October 2021, 15:35:16
Brother is probably going to have to return to work next week, his family leave ends and honestly I don't know if he still has a job when he returns (he's fighting the vax mandate while working in medical).
Sis-in-law (his wife) is home but but after a month since catching it is not even well enough to drive or work half a day yet has to return to work full time next week.
Her dad is home but still unable to care for himself.
Her mom is STILL in the hospital and on low ox (been a month now). Every time they try and take her off that she starts going downhill again. She has signs of dementia, so this won't go well even if she gets out since any change sends them bonkers and may never get back to where they were mentally.
If you don't want the vax, honestly, I'm fine with that.
Do NOT however work in a science field and dismiss it, why are you working on/in something you do not believe in...
And if you don't want it, stick to your guns and stay the hell home if you get it. As many have said they "made their choice", so stop running to the hospital for help, you made your choice right? You shouldn't get to have it both ways. You wanted this fight, you kept pushing... Stick to your guns and ride it out.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 30 October 2021, 17:18:44
Those circumstances can lead to job loss, poverty spiral.
The grand mother probably doesn't have dementia, Strokes and Micro-strokes are common on Covid. Similar to onset of rapid mental deterioration post heart-attacks.
As for Antivax, Staying Home if infected, well.... That's hard to prescribe since it's basically the same as telling poor people to just die. They're time poor, which led to their lower intellect, which led to their dismissal of vaccine. Being stupid (on average) is really the same as being poor. It's something you're born into.
YES, the fault is partially theirs after the fact, but Income inequality came in before the fact.
Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 31 October 2021, 02:58:29
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 09 November 2021, 20:29:57
30 pills over 5 days, 3 morning, 3 night. When given within 3 days of the start of Covid-19 symptoms, the antiviral pills cut the risk of hospitalization or death by 89 percent.
Merck’s Molnupiravir 4 pills morning, 4 pills night.
This seems good, but 3 days, start of symptoms, symptoms of which is similar to any other flu/cold/sniffle.
I guess they'll make it really cheap ? Are people going to take 6 pills a day for 5 days over the sniffle ?
How effective is this stuff if they went a week or 2 weeks. because that's probably how long before someone goes, oh this is serious.
If someone isn't even taking covid seriously in the first place, what will trigger their decision to take so many pills for an entire week ?
Pfizer’s drug blocks an enzyme that the coronavirus needs to reproduce. The drug targets a part of the virus essential to replication, the virus cannot become resistant to the treatment.
Merck’s pill developed with Ridgeback Biotherapeutics, is a nucleoside analogue mechanism that introduces errors into the genetic code of the virus. The drug generates random mutations into the virus.
They expect antivaxer to take this ? Also, RANDOM mutations ? So they're saying, let's let the virus roll for crits at every opportunity ?
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 09 November 2021, 23:04:00
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 10 November 2021, 06:52:25
I don't think it will be cheap without insurance. I could see about $1000 but then $30-$50 after insurance. And yes, antivaxers will take it. They don't fear the vaccine at all. They just think it was witheld to make Trump look bad and Biden look good. All of their theories are just excuses to own up to that truth. This isn't the vaccine, so it won't be on their ubiquitous hate radar.
It's ~700$ per course. when I said cheap i mean the taxpayers will pay for it.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 12 November 2021, 18:39:33
Best of luck to meal team 6 antivaxxers.
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Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 14 November 2021, 14:07:30
2 Tigers were infected, but survived.
Sigh... Zoonotic disease, the MAJORITY of All Major pandemics are Zoonotic.. disease that came from animals.
Sooner or later, with the high lvl of dog/cat ownership, it's inevitable that we're gonna get some super dog/cat/human cov strain.
Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 14 November 2021, 19:40:42
Post by: Altis on Mon, 15 November 2021, 08:41:50
If you don't want the vax, honestly, I'm fine with that.
Do NOT however work in a science field and dismiss it, why are you working on/in something you do not believe in...
There's absolutely nothing 'scientific' about a blanket demand for 100% of the population to take a brand new medication with zero long-term data available, without question or justification. Each person should, like every other medication, make their own risk assessment with their doctor to see what's right for them. Most people won't even update their electronics right away, buy the first year of a new car, or paint something before testing on an inconspicuous area. :p
Likely this risk assessment for most people who have risk factors, most predominately age (considering the average age of covid death is about the same or even higher than the average life expectancy, where the data is available), will indicate to absolutely get it. Those under 30 or 40 with no known risk factor, especially those who've had and recovered from it already, probably need not risk it (especially if they haven't had kids yet and plan to). Healthy kids who have a nearly statistically zero covid risk factor but have the most to risk from the shot almost certainly should not be getting it at this time. Considering the side-effects short term can be serious and up to/including death, while potential long-term side effects (or even efficacy) are yet unknown, it has to be a proper consideration for each individual.
We're so far from a 'scientific' approach to this and it has become entirely political and even cult-like (cults do not permit the questioning of anything and go after anyone who does). Science must be thorough, challenged, debated, examined with the finest care, but most of all, honest and ethical.
And if you don't want it, stick to your guns and stay the hell home if you get it. As many have said they "made their choice", so stop running to the hospital for help, you made your choice right? You shouldn't get to have it both ways. You wanted this fight, you kept pushing... Stick to your guns and ride it out.
Alright, but then we'll have to give back the massive amount in taxes people pay for care (especially in countries like mine with "universal care" you want to deny). We'd also have to stop treating everyone who you consider "made their choice" -- all of the obese, smokers, drinkers, substance abusers, anyone with health issues following the shots, etc... they should stay home and be ineligible for care, by your standards.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 15 November 2021, 09:15:03
There are too many morons in the new world. Here comes this miracle, free of charge, free of moral implication, free of guilt, free of gmo, that naturally eliminates the idiocy of the human race. A belated thank you and thank goodness.
_/ suspect it's someone who's been parked too long on HCA reddit.
Tp4 understands the sentiment, but disagrees that it is free of moral implication, because covid is the direct result of Animal agriculture/consumption which is plainly the industrial torture of animals. So, not guilt free either.
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 15 November 2021, 09:50:12
covid is the direct result of Animal agriculture/consumption
I would appreciate seeing legitimate evidence of this.
Although there is no doubt that industrial agriculture and over-population have accelerated the rate, pathogens have been hopping between species from the beginning.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 15 November 2021, 09:58:16
covid is the direct result of Animal agriculture/consumption
I would appreciate seeing legitimate evidence of this.
Although there is no doubt that industrial agriculture and over-population have accelerated the rate, pathogens have been hopping between species from the beginning.
The best research track right now says it's either the bats, or the pangolins, or bat to pangolins.
Whatever vector happened, we wouldn't be near this stuff, if we didn't EAT animals/ have wet markets.
Typhoid, chickens
Measles, cows
Small pox, camels
Whooping cough, pigs
Influenza (FLU), Ducks
Leprosy, Water buffalo
Common cold, Horses
Aids, Bushmeat (ape)
Bubonic plague, Tuberculosis, Malaria, H1N1, MERS, EBOLA, Sars1, All Zoonotic.
NONE of these disease existed until those animals were domesticated by humans.
These "germs" in their original formats are all harmless to their host animals, it's through mutation in domestication // CAFO environments // contact with humans that they became deadly.
Guns Germs and Steel (Jared Diamond) describes this process well
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 15 November 2021, 10:19:15
if we didn't EAT animals
animals were domesticated by humans
Are you forgetting that gonorrhea is a cow disease and that syphilis is a sheep disease?
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 15 November 2021, 10:26:32
if we didn't EAT animals
animals were domesticated by humans
Are you forgetting that gonorrhea is a cow disease and that syphilis is a sheep disease?
Approximately 60% of infectious disease historically are zoonotic, Among the NEW AGE infectious disease post 1950, 75% are zoonotic.
Most of these disease have multiple vectors, contact with body fluids/animal waste are common transmission.
I see fohat is a fan of bestiality, but it's most likely the former explanation.
For example, Aids, came from the Bush-Meat trade, when timber logging cut into the forests, they killed the indigenous apes, ate them for meat, body fluids/ animal waste, >>AIDS
Post by: Leslieann on Mon, 15 November 2021, 12:04:58
There's absolutely nothing 'scientific' about a blanket demand for 100% of the population to take a brand new medication with zero long-term data available, without question or justification. Each person should, like every other medication, make their own risk assessment with their doctor to see what's right for them. Most people won't even update their electronics right away, buy the first year of a new car, or paint something before testing on an inconspicuous area. :pThis was not new, it's simply "new".
It had been in the works for years for use on SARS and even then heavily based on flu shots.
Herd immunity doesn't require 100% and it was never expected to have 100%, the goal is to get as close to 100% of those who can take the shot to get it, allowing room for those who cannot. This is how we've done with every other vaccine.
We're so far from a 'scientific' approach to this and it has become entirely political and even cult-like (cults do not permit the questioning of anything and go after anyone who does). Science must be thorough, challenged, debated, examined with the finest care, but most of all, honest and ethical.Yes, it is political, but I think you're pointing fingers the wrong direction.
This is not even as hardcore as we have been in past pandemics such as Polio.
Alright, but then we'll have to give back the massive amount in taxes people pay for care (especially in countries like mine with "universal care" you want to deny). We'd also have to stop treating everyone who you consider "made their choice" -- all of the obese, smokers, drinkers, substance abusers, anyone with health issues following the shots, etc... they should stay home and be ineligible for care, by your standards.
It's not about the taxes, it's about available resources, our emergency rooms are not overflowing with smokers and alcoholics are they? Combat triage, you focus on those you can save. At this point unvaxxed, because of their choices are killing people who did get the vax because they get into accidents and such and can't get help. If you don't want to vax, fine, "you made your choice you have to live with it", that's exactly what you told people who did vax, now the shoes on the other foot, you should have to live with your choices just as we did.
Also,
Stop making false equivalences, you complained it was political then you make false equivalences... This is exactly how this was made political.
Oh and take a deep look, all those people who told you not to vax and fight for your right not to, most of them secretly went and got vaxxed, which is also how you know it was actually safe. Trump and his cronies and the wealthy wouldn't have secretly run out and cut lines to get it if it wasn't. If there really was some doubt, they'd have hidden away and waited it out, instead they went and got it.
Post by: Altis on Mon, 15 November 2021, 15:34:17
There's absolutely nothing 'scientific' about a blanket demand for 100% of the population to take a brand new medication with zero long-term data available, without question or justification. Each person should, like every other medication, make their own risk assessment with their doctor to see what's right for them. Most people won't even update their electronics right away, buy the first year of a new car, or paint something before testing on an inconspicuous area. :pThis was not new, it's simply "new".
It had been in the works for years for use on SARS and even then heavily based on flu shots.
Herd immunity doesn't require 100% and it was never expected to have 100%, the goal is to get as close to 100% of those who can take the shot to get it, allowing room for those who cannot. This is how we've done with every other vaccine.
The "it's been in the works for years" doesn't matter one bit. The idea is as old as 1989 (original patent), but it's never been used before apart from very specific, single-case experimental cancer treatments. This is the first time it's being widely used and tested, and none of the clinical studies have been completed. Flu shots are DNA-based and are fully immunizing against the strains they target. Even then we get 8k-10k deaths per year of the flu in Canada, with immunizing vaccines, and it's more dangerous to kids than covid.
Would you like links to all the manufacturers clinical studies? The earliest one concludes late 2022, with most in 2023-2024.
If it was not experimental, we would have long-term data available, and solid data on the efficacy (including over time) and rate of side effects. Yet this data changes month to month as we learn more from these experimental medications.
We shouldn't be putting 100% of the population, or even close to it, on a treatment with the potential for unknown long-term effects, which is stated outright by the manufacturers.
Also, here's an article from 2017 regarding Moderna's attempts at mRNA vaccines: https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/10/moderna-trouble-mrna/ (https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/10/moderna-trouble-mrna/)
From the article:
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In need of a Hail Mary
Founded in 2012, Moderna reached unicorn status — a $1 billion valuation — in just two years, faster than Uber, Dropbox, and Lyft, according to CB Insights. The company’s premise: Using custom-built strands of messenger RNA, known as mRNA, it aims to turn the body’s cells into ad hoc drug factories, compelling them to produce the proteins needed to treat a wide variety of diseases.
But mRNA is a tricky technology. Several major pharmaceutical companies have tried and abandoned the idea, struggling to get mRNA into cells without triggering nasty side effects.
Bancel has repeatedly promised that Moderna’s new therapies will change the world, but the company has refused to publish any data on its mRNA vehicles, sparking skepticism from some scientists and a chiding from the editors of Nature.
The indefinite delay on the Crigler-Najjar project signals persistent and troubling safety concerns for any mRNA treatment that needs to be delivered in multiple doses, covering almost everything that isn’t a vaccine, former employees and collaborators said.
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In Moderna’s eyes, the one-in-million disease looked like an ideal candidate for mRNA therapy. The company crafted a string of mRNA that would encode for the missing enzyme, believing it had hit upon an excellent starting point to prove technology could be used to treat rare diseases.
But things gradually came apart last year.
Every drug has what’s called a therapeutic window, the scientific sweet spot where a treatment is powerful enough to have an effect on a disease but not so strong as to put patients at too much risk. For mRNA, that has proved elusive.
In order to protect mRNA molecules from the body’s natural defenses, drug developers must wrap them in a protective casing. For Moderna, that meant putting its Crigler-Najjar therapy in nanoparticles made of lipids. And for its chemists, those nanoparticles created a daunting challenge: Dose too little, and you don’t get enough enzyme to affect the disease; dose too much, and the drug is too toxic for patients.
From the start, Moderna’s scientists knew that using mRNA to spur protein production would be a tough task, so they scoured the medical literature for diseases that might be treated with just small amounts of additional protein.
“And that list of diseases is very, very short,” said the former employee who described Bancel as needing a Hail Mary.
Crigler-Najjar was the lowest-hanging fruit.
Yet Moderna could not make its therapy work, former employees and collaborators said. The safe dose was too weak, and repeat injections of a dose strong enough to be effective had troubling effects on the liver in animal studies.
The technology certainly has promising applications but to pretend it's some well-understood and dialed-in practice at this point is to deny reality. These are new experimental treatments (vaccines only according to the definition revised for this technology), but we still have a ways to go with them. I have high hopes but cannot dismiss the process.
We're so far from a 'scientific' approach to this and it has become entirely political and even cult-like (cults do not permit the questioning of anything and go after anyone who does). Science must be thorough, challenged, debated, examined with the finest care, but most of all, honest and ethical.Yes, it is political, but I think you're pointing fingers the wrong direction.
This is not even as hardcore as we have been in past pandemics such as Polio.
Where am I pointing fingers? Everyone on all sides needs to take a step back and a deep breathe before attacking anyone who says one way or the other. The vaccines are neither some evil thing nor some miracle without issue.
You're right though, polio was far more serious an illness, and primarily affected kids rather than the elderly. I'm not aware of any time in history society has burdened children with taking completely new treatments that are not justified for their own health, but to protect the elderly (that are already protected by the same protection). When the FDA met to discuss approving for kids (the ~7.5 hour meeting can be watched for yourself), they said outright that they will not know the risk until they do it. It is impossible to evaluate the risk without data, and there is no data yet.
Alright, but then we'll have to give back the massive amount in taxes people pay for care (especially in countries like mine with "universal care" you want to deny). We'd also have to stop treating everyone who you consider "made their choice" -- all of the obese, smokers, drinkers, substance abusers, anyone with health issues following the shots, etc... they should stay home and be ineligible for care, by your standards.
It's not about the taxes, it's about available resources, our emergency rooms are not overflowing with smokers and alcoholics are they? Combat triage, you focus on those you can save. At this point unvaxxed, because of their choices are killing people who did get the vax because they get into accidents and such and can't get help. If you don't want to vax, fine, "you made your choice you have to live with it", that's exactly what you told people who did vax, now the shoes on the other foot, you should have to live with your choices just as we did.
It certainly is about the taxes if you're going to force people to pay massive amounts of their annual income for service and then deny them that service (though the human rights violation seems more pertinent).
We have huge wait times for specialists and treatments here in Canada, often over a YEAR, and the people who knowingly destroy their body are clogging up the system every bit as much as, if not more than, the people who don't. All facets of our healthcare system are overburdened but we don't deny people care. That's how it works. And we've certainly never expected everyone to take new treatments to protect the healthcare system, which has had nearly two years to better respond to the pandemic but is instead looking to fire healthcare workers who were last year's heroes working through the worst of it.
Also where did I say "that's exactly what you told people who did vax"? Oh, I didn't. I'm not the one arguing to deny people medical care, you are. I'm against that idea and think it's sick. People with illness should be treated to the best of our ability.
While we're on the topic of the healthcare system, I struggle to ignore that there are upwards of 30,000 annual deaths due to medical errors and malpractice (twice the rate of covid at its worst). (see here (http://"https://www.huffpost.com/archive/ca/entry/medical-error-deaths_b_8350324") and here (http://"https://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health-and-fitness/health/toronto-hospitals-embark-on-safety-initiative-to-prevent-medical-error-deaths/article30610569/")). The medical "professionals" are also largely responsible for our deadly opioid crisis by overprescribing drugs like percocets for ages before understanding the effects. Before this pandemic, it was perfectly normal to take their advice and claims with a grain of salt. And that's before even touching the big pharmaceutical companies and their history of behaviour.
Also,
Stop making false equivalences, you complained it was political then you make false equivalences... This is exactly how this was made political.
Oh and take a deep look, all those people who told you not to vax and fight for your right not to, most of them secretly went and got vaxxed, which is also how you know it was actually safe. Trump and his cronies and the wealthy wouldn't have secretly run out and cut lines to get it if it wasn't. If there really was some doubt, they'd have hidden away and waited it out, instead they went and got it.
Where's the "false equivalences"? Such an easy accusation to throw out at anyone without validating. I could assert you are making them by bringing up polio or DNA-based vaccines that don't apply here. What's political about examining the science of it? What is political is when you argue for people to be treated differently by the public services due to it.
And who cares what those people are saying to do or not to do? Think we should be taking advice or following their example? A bunch of elderly take it and thus it must be safe for everyone?
If you want to talk about science, I urge you to drop the hostility and be willing to discuss the science and data behind it. I'm sorry you feel the need to be this way and I'm sure it's due to discussions you've had with others (there are nutters out there), but please just take it down a notch and we can discuss the issues... I'm not your enemy! I'm confident we both want the best outcome for everyone.
Post by: Leslieann on Mon, 15 November 2021, 19:27:51
Also, here's an article from 2017 regarding Moderna's attempts at mRNA vaccines:MRNA is new, Pfizer and J&J are not, even when a med is based on another they still have to study it.
As for MRNA, it's mostly the delivery method (RNA) that's really new, the rest is not.
If you're worried about it, don't get MRNA.
Where am I pointing fingers? Everyone on all sides needs to take a step back and a deep breathe before attacking anyone who says one way or the other. The vaccines are neither some evil thing norYou're going to get a few dissenters just to be contrarians on anything and yet pretty much all actual virologists (not facebook experts) agree on this.
some miracle without issue.
I can't recall anyone saying the vaccine was an outright miracle, much less one without issue, sure, someone probably said it and I'm sure someone has a clip of it, but it has always been that the vaxx was less dangerous than the virus, which is how all medicine is evaluated.
You're right though, polio was far more serious an illness, and primarily affected kids rather than the elderly.And how did we get rid of it? Vaccines.
Was it more dangerous or is Covid less dangerous because of modern science, health/cleanliness and medicine? Don't forget Covid isn't over, it could still mutate and become far worse.
You're counting your chickens a little too soon.
It certainly is about the taxes if you're going to force people to pay massive amounts of their annual income for service and then deny them that service (though the human rights violation seems more pertinent).This has nothing really to do with the conversation and only threatens to derail it by flooding it with noise.
{lots of random universal care stuff}
Don't be that guy on the internet.
Where's the "false equivalences"? Such an easy accusation to throw out at anyone without validating. I could assert you are making them by bringing up polio or DNA-based vaccines that don't apply here. What's political about examining the science of it? What is political is when you argue for people to be treated differently by the public services due to it.Twisting the conversation, not sure if on accident or on purpose.
The false equivalent is saying fat people, smokers, alcoholics etc should also get less treatment. It is not the same as refusing a vaccination and telling people they have to live with the consequences if they get it. My comments were directed at people refusing to get vaxxed, catching covid and then running to the same hospitals/people they claim are trying to kill them with vaccines and over burdening the system clearly not built for that sort of sudden influx.
I'm not arguing people's choice, never have, but if anti-vaxxers want to throw out the "You have to live with the consequences of your decision" in regards to getting vaxx'd, which was told to me by my own brother, we should be able to throw that back at them when they flood our medical system and push out people who got there through no fault of their own (car accident, etc.) which has been a problem here.
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 17 November 2021, 09:11:01
Don't be that guy on the internet.
Post by: Altis on Thu, 18 November 2021, 18:13:06
MRNA is new, Pfizer and J&J are not, even when a med is based on another they still have to study it.
As for MRNA, it's mostly the delivery method (RNA) that's really new, the rest is not.
If you're worried about it, don't get MRNA.
Only mRNA (Pfizer and Moderna) is currently available in Canada since they halted AstraZ, and only Pfizer for younger people due to increased effects from Moderna. Seems to be taking Novavax forever to get approval, though their preliminary studies have been as promising as any.
It isn't the delivery method that's new, it's what's being delivered -- an RNA instruction set instead of the protein spectrum of a virus. There's almost no relation, which is why the definition of a "vaccine" had to be updated to even include this entirely new type.
So yes, it's entirely new and never been used outside of testing and experimental one-off cancer treatments.
It's also not exactly comforting that Pfizer and J&J are involved here considering their track record of violations, with many payouts, some of them colossal in size (ie. $2.3B for Pfizer in 2009 (https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history), largest healthcare fraud settlement at the time, $2.2B for J&J in 2013 (https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/johnson-johnson-pay-more-22-billion-resolve-criminal-and-civil-investigations)). I suppose at least Moderna doesn't have such a track record, but then this is their first product to market entirely. The sad reality is that violations and fines are just a business expense to these companies. What's a $2B fine when you're bringing in upwards of $30B in revenue (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/02/pfizer-raises-covid-vaccine-sales-forecast-to-36-billion-.html)?
Fortunately, they are studying it, and it's all on-going. That's why everything about these new vaccines is evolving, from the efficacy, ideal interval, how many, what the side effects are, what the risk rates are, etc...
Just last Friday, Dr. Fauci spoke of how he believes three shots will be the standard rather than two (https://news.yahoo.com/dr-fauci-just-issued-urgent-201846228.html). From the article:
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"They are seeing a waning of immunity not only against infection but against hospitalization and to some extent death, which is starting to now involve all age groups. It isn't just the elderly," Fauci said. "It's waning to the point that you're seeing more and more people getting breakthrough infections, and more and more of those people who are getting breakthrough infections are winding up in the hospital."
As a result of these findings, Fauci warned that vaccinated people should get their booster shot, as it might actually be more important than health officials first realized. "If one looks back at this, one can say, do you know, it isn't as if a booster is a bonus, but a booster might actually be an essential part of the primary regimen that people should have," he said on The Daily.
Fauci went on to say, "I think … that the boosting is gonna be an absolutely essential component of our response, not a bonus, not a luxury, but an absolute essential part of the program."
You're going to get a few dissenters just to be contrarians on anything and yet pretty much all actual virologists (not facebook experts) agree on this.
I can't recall anyone saying the vaccine was an outright miracle, much less one without issue, sure, someone probably said it and I'm sure someone has a clip of it, but it has always been that the vaxx was less dangerous than the virus, which is how all medicine is evaluated.
I mean, when the president of the U.S. asserts that (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9814723/Biden-flubs-answer-foreign-policy-work-falsely-says-WONT-COVID-shot.html) "You're OK. You're not going to – you're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations," and "'If you're vaccinated, you're not going to be hospitalized, you're not going to be in the IC unit, and you're not going to die,", I would argue that many people have over-estimated the effective use of the vaccine throughout the past year.
As to the question of whether or not the "vaxx is less dangerous than the virus" -- the data is abundantly clear that it depends on for whom. 60+? Absolutely, no question, clear as day. 0-9 years? Not so clear, and the evidence largely suggests no, mostly owing to the lack of quality data on the vaccine risk to kids and any kind of long-term data. I would like to expand on this in another post to keep this one more concise as it's the main topic of concern, in my opinion.
And how did we get rid of it? Vaccines.
Was it more dangerous or is Covid less dangerous because of modern science, health/cleanliness and medicine? Don't forget Covid isn't over, it could still mutate and become far worse.
You're counting your chickens a little too soon.
Correct, we used highly effective, sterilizing (non-leaky) vaccines that took some time to develop and dial-in. Same with smallpox. Wonderful technology those DNA-based vaccines have been!
However, what we currently have is nowhere near as effective as would be required to squash out COVID-19 entirely as we did with other diseases. In fact, it seems like it's best use is to prevent serious illness -- great in itself, but it does not sufficiently prevent the spread.
I'm also a bit concerned which direction the mutations might go with such a leaky vaccine. Typically, coronaviruses mutate to become as transmissible as possible, but less dangerous (doesn't transmit as well if the host dies!). This is absolutely the case with the Delta variant, which is many times more contagious, but also has fewer severe outcomes, fortunately. A leaky vaccine, such as the ones we have, could apply upwards pressure on it in the way that the misuse of antibiotics can result in drug-resistant bacteria strains.
You are absolutely correct on not counting our chickens considering the number of breakthrough cases are rising in many places with very high vaccination rates:
- 40% of Ottawa Senators (go sens) test positive despite 100% fully vax'd (https://www.wsj.com/articles/ottawa-senators-covid-11637123408)
- Most vaccinated place on Earth (Gibraltrar) told to cancel holiday plans amid ‘exponential’ rise in Covid cases (https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/most-vaccinated-place-on-earth-told-to-cancel-holiday-plans-amid-exponential-rise-in-covid-cases/news-story/1954572a25f48e39b7825e562129b9bc)
It does not appear that vaccination (with the current treatments) alone will make COVID-19 go away. However, reducing its severity to an acceptable level seems like a major win.
This has nothing really to do with the conversation and only threatens to derail it by flooding it with noise.
Don't be that guy on the internet.
No reason to muddy the waters with this. You are free to not respond to my thoughts on issues -- they're not necessarily directed at you. I absolutely see those points as relevant to a discussion on whether the appeal to authority often applied has as much merit as it ought to.
Twisting the conversation, not sure if on accident or on purpose.
The false equivalent is saying fat people, smokers, alcoholics etc should also get less treatment. It is not the same as refusing a vaccination and telling people they have to live with the consequences if they get it. My comments were directed at people refusing to get vaxxed, catching covid and then running to the same hospitals/people they claim are trying to kill them with vaccines and over burdening the system clearly not built for that sort of sudden influx.
I'm not arguing people's choice, never have, but if anti-vaxxers want to throw out the "You have to live with the consequences of your decision" in regards to getting vaxx'd, which was told to me by my own brother, we should be able to throw that back at them when they flood our medical system and push out people who got there through no fault of their own (car accident, etc.) which has been a problem here.
I have yet to see anyone say that those injured by vaccines should not receive medical care. Are you sure they are not stating the obvious truth that there is no way to undo a vaccine? (ie. "you have to live with it because there's no way to reverse it") Everyone deserves and is entitled to medical care as they need it.
However, I do very frequently see people (such as yourself) assert that those who do not get this entirely new treatment become ineligible for medical care due to COVID illness. You don't have a leg to stand on with this argument other than spite, as you describe using it as a rebuttal to people you feel wish you ill.
What's the argument, anyways? That people didn't take a new medication that may or may not have helped? We don't deny healthcare to people who actively harm their bodies (smokers, alcoholics, substance abusers, risk takers, the obese, suntanners, etc...), so we're not about to deny it to people who simply didn't take a preventative medication. And as long as healthcare is for all, it's for all (and paid for by all at great personal expense to everyone).
edit: fixed the links
Post by: Altis on Thu, 18 November 2021, 19:20:38
Moderna - Children (June 12, 2023)
"A Study to Evaluate Safety and Effectiveness of mRNA-1273 COVID-19 Vaccine in Healthy Children Between 6 Months of Age and Less Than 12 Years of Age"
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04796896 (https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04796896)
Moderna - Adults (October 27, 2022)
"A Study to Evaluate Efficacy, Safety, and Immunogenicity of mRNA-1273 Vaccine in Adults Aged 18 Years and Older to Prevent COVID-19"
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04470427 (https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04470427)
Moderna - Pregnancy (December 9, 2023)
"Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine mRNA-1273 Observational Pregnancy Outcome Study"
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04958304 (https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04958304)
Pfizer - Children (July 23, 2024)
"A Phase 1/2/3 Study to Evaluate the Safety, Tolerability, and Immunogenicity of an RNA Vaccine Candidate Against COVID-19 in Healthy Children and Young Adults"
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04816643 (https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04816643)
Pfizer - Adults (May 2, 2023)
"Study to Describe the Safety, Tolerability, Immunogenicity, and Efficacy of RNA Vaccine Candidates Against COVID-19 in Healthy Individuals"
https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728 (https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04368728)
Pfizer - Pregnancy (October 15, 2022)
"Study to Evaluate the Safety, Tolerability, and Immunogenicity of SARS CoV-2 RNA Vaccine Candidate (BNT162b2) Against COVID-19 in Healthy Pregnant Women 18 Years of Age and Older"
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04754594 (https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04754594)
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 18 November 2021, 20:14:21
Is it remotely possible that you've been Duped by your choice of media outlet ?
Post by: Altis on Thu, 18 November 2021, 21:23:50
Altis,
Is it remotely possible that you've been Duped by your choice of media outlet ?
I'm open to the idea -- but what did I post that's coloured by the media outlet, or that the content is contested? Sometimes I recall a piece of information widely spoken of and quickly google it to grab a link, not caring too much which one pops up (usually there are many reporting the same thing in various ways). There are stories that, while valid and referenced, are simply not touched at all by swathes of the media on one side or the other.
I try to use official sources to form my views, most notably the public health agencies of the governments and the manufacturers themselves. Even that must be investigated since there's often details that are included but buried that can change the context quite a bit. I'm also always open to new information and adjust my views to the data and evidence, so feel free to challenge anything. It's not like I would want to be in err. :p
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 19 November 2021, 11:27:28
Sometimes I recall a piece of information widely spoken of and quickly google it to grab a link, not caring too much which one pops up (usually there are many reporting the same thing in various ways). There are stories that, while valid and referenced, are simply not touched at all by swathes of the media on one side or the other.
And many just quote each other,
The conspiracy world is a game of circle jerk. A lot of bad sites have figured out extremely well how to game Google, especially if they are purposely lying, why wouldn't they cheat for search results.
I try to use official sources to form my views, most notably the public health agencies of the governments and the manufacturers themselves. Even that must be investigated since there's often details that are included but buried that can change the context quite a bit.
Official sources are good, but only when taken in context.
Have you ever looked at the side effects of birth control or pretty much any other medication?
Women take far more risk just taking birth control pills every day, scary stuff and yet no one pays attention (especially if they want to get laid) until they want to point out the risks of one thing they get freaked out about.
Post by: Altis on Fri, 19 November 2021, 16:27:46
Sometimes I recall a piece of information widely spoken of and quickly google it to grab a link, not caring too much which one pops up (usually there are many reporting the same thing in various ways). There are stories that, while valid and referenced, are simply not touched at all by swathes of the media on one side or the other.
And many just quote each other,
The conspiracy world is a game of circle jerk. A lot of bad sites have figured out extremely well how to game Google, especially if they are purposely lying, why wouldn't they cheat for search results.
Right, that does happen a ton -- it's almost as if there are groups of publications that all parrot one another. That's why I recommend checking at least the primary source the article uses (and make sure it has one). At the end of the day, if the source is debatable, debate it on the cause for concern. In my opinion, the quality of information and data has been one of the biggest issues this entire pandemic.
I try to use official sources to form my views, most notably the public health agencies of the governments and the manufacturers themselves. Even that must be investigated since there's often details that are included but buried that can change the context quite a bit.
Official sources are good, but only when taken in context.
Have you ever looked at the side effects of birth control or pretty much any other medication?
Women take far more risk just taking birth control pills every day, scary stuff and yet no one pays attention (especially if they want to get laid) until they want to point out the risks of one thing they get freaked out about.
Indeed.
You are correct that things like birth control and other common medications have risks.
However, I would argue that these are generally very thoroughly-studied and well-understood at this point, with many decades of data and very similar mechanisms of operation among the many options available. There's also absolutely no requirement of any kind to take these -- they are entirely elective that you choose, with guidance from your health care provider, to take (and which one). So I don't really see all too much parallel with the issue at hand.
In fact, I find it concerning that some of the severe outcomes that are possible with these vaccines are not presented. I'd rather get the long spiel that includes all the things a medication could doeven if unlikely than leaving any out. That's the most fundamental component of informed consent.
Post by: Altis on Fri, 19 November 2021, 16:34:57
Looking at the official data from the Government of Canada (http://"https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html?stat=num&measure=deaths&map=pt#a2"), we can see that the 0-19 demographic has the highest case rate (though that's a two-decade bracket, unlike most which are 1-decade), but only 17 deaths:
(https://i.ibb.co/481F7jk/image.png) (https://ibb.co/Jv3cKzZ)
(https://i.ibb.co/Kxm7s1B/image.png) (https://ibb.co/yFV5k3K)
Note a few things: 1 - this is for all "COVID-related" deaths, which in most provinces is "deaths for any reason within 28 days of a positive test". 2 - this is since the start of the pandemic, so it includes the more dangerous earlier variants. 3 - this is for all health conditions and risk factors.
Most importantly, Health Canada has not reported a single death in the 0-19 range for which there were not very serious co-morbidities or other factors that played a significant role.
When you assess the percentage of deaths per case in each age bracket, the data is abundantly clear that the 0-19 age bracket is of negligible risk (it's actually zero if you exclude those with the significant health conditions). I've made the graph tall enough to be make the 0-19 plot data visible, but it's effectively a cat next to the CN tower. The risk for 80+ is nearly 5000 times greater than that of the 0-19.
I've also included the data for Alberta, which keeps easily available data from their own official website (http://"https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#severe-outcomes"). The situation is much the same, only they have zero deaths in the 0-17 range, and one 18 year old. This after the Alberta Health Minister had to apologize (http://"https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/hinshaw-apologizes-after-alberta-mistakenly-reports-14-year-old-s-cancer-death-was-caused-by-covid-19-1.5623489") for trying to claim a 14 year old boy with stage 4 brain cancer died "of covid", which the family had to clear up was not the case.
Anyways, here are the deaths/case percentages in blue (left) and number of deaths (red) for Canada (Left), Alberta (Right):
(https://i.ibb.co/r0dYDPt/Canada-National-Covid-Deaths-per-Case-percentage-as-of-2021-November-12-by-agegroup.png) (https://ibb.co/wgcV5HL)(https://i.ibb.co/WsYtJXR/Alberta-Provincial-Covid-Deaths-per-Case-percentage-as-of-2021-November-12-by-agegroup.png) (https://ibb.co/M9360HJ)
The issue is there is currently no long-term data available on these vaccines. For all the talk of how they are "safe and effective", the reality is there is simply no data to make these assertions long-term. The 5-11 age bracket has by far the most to risk given that they are not developed, have years until they reproduce, and have many decades of expected life ahead of them. They also have the least to gain since the serious outcome rate is incredibly low to them, effectively zero if they do not have underlying conditions that put them at risk.
Thus, much like the FDA's and UK public health's own advisory boards, I also do not think that the 5-11 (or more broadly the 0-19) age demographic should be vaccinated en-masse at this time with the current vaccines. It should be available based on needs of the individual as assessed by their doctors. I would even extend this to the 0-50 age wherein it should be a risk that is assessed to the best of our ability (again, there's no long-term data available yet), while the 40+ or 50+ should be encouraged to get it (not forced, mind you).
In my opinion, vaccine production would be better allocated to those with high risk, boosters for older people, and given to other countries as the primary regiment for their at-risk populations.
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 19 November 2021, 19:37:39
When you assess the percentage of deaths per case in each age bracket, the data is abundantly clear that the 0-19 age bracket is of negligible risk (it's actually zero if you exclude those with the significant health conditions).
"Kids are fine so why do anything", except they are the biggest vector for spreading it, hence them being the most infected.
If you want to stop the spread, you have to stop the kids from getting it and passing it on to their school mates. The number of people kids interact with daily is almost always higher than the number of people the average adult interacts with on a daily basis. Kids/young adults also tend to be (way) more reckless in regards to safety.
It's not about protecting the kids so much as protecting everyone else from them as a vector for infection.
Small picture vs big picture.
The issue is there is currently no long-term data available on these vaccines. For all the talk of how they are "safe and effective", the reality is there is simply no data to make these assertions long-term. The 5-11 age bracket has by far the most to risk given that they are not developed, have years until they reproduce, and have many decades of expected life ahead of them. They also have the least to gain since the serious outcome rate is incredibly low to them, effectively zero if they do not have underlying conditions that put them at risk.
This goes back to what I just said, you're picking and choosing what to look at to justify your point of view.
Do you 3d print? How are those fumes effecting you? (could be better or worse depending on brand, and even color)
How about Vape?
Smoke pot? Any idea what's actually in it?
How much did you research Teflon pans before cooking with them? Or Teflon in general?
How about PCBs in water bottles?
Got a polycarbonate keyboard, yeaaaah...
How about them fire retardants in the ABS keycaps?
Ever use gasoline or solvents to clean car parts?
Ever get your fancy keyboard grease on your fingers?
Any idea how many crazy chemicals are in your car? Especially the safety equipment.
How many brain cells did you kill when you smelled the vapors at the gas pump the other day?
Spray paints, markers, Paint markers?
Ever look at what's in makeup (hint, lead, lots and lots of lead) or what is used in deodorants and antiperspirants?
Ever tested your tap water?
Got lead paint in your house, did you check? How about asbestos?
Ever sat next to a warm fire?
You're right, there isn't long term data on this but you picked a hill to die on while ignoring everything else around you that is likely worse and yet you aren't pitching a fit about it because you never researched or realized how bad pretty much everything around you is.
Have you ever even seen an MSDS sheet?
There is a ton of long term testing on many of these chemicals (in the vax or otherwise) and it's amazing how many everyday things will scare the pants off of you if you actually took the time to research them the way you researched Covid vaccines and yet you chose only to focus on Covid vaccines. People make fun of those "this product was found to cause Cancer in California" but then are freaked out by the Covid vaccines, even as they take a hit off their vape. The irony is unreal.
I'm not saying the fears are unfounded,
But you're looking small picture vs big picture because you've never bothered looking big picture at what you're exposed to daily. Honestly, the vax is probably safer than 90% of the things you encounter on a daily basis (including tap water) and yet you aren't freaking out about them.
Note, if you're a hypochondriac, it's probably best not to research all these things.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 21 November 2021, 15:33:00
So.. Ok, there are a bunch of corporations right now, <labor shortage> whatnot, thinking that it may worsen supply chain issues if they push the mandate too hard.
Let e(onom1x genivs Tp4 explain
_People will work for FOOD if they're hungry
_They won't work at all if They're DEAD.
What's the Long term plan... ??...
(https://i.imgur.com/qRhszdm.gif)
Post by: Leslieann on Mon, 22 November 2021, 00:27:09
Their long term plans are more gov bailouts.
A city in Northern California actually asked people to"donate" 20 hours a week to local businesses.
People, please do not fall for this. If the business fails it was going to fail anyhow, giving them what amounts to slave labor is not the solution. And since when has anyone, let along millionaires and billionaires ever wanted to give up anything they get for free? They will milk that for all they're worth. If they need labor make the absentee owners actually do the work they themselves refuse to do.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 22 November 2021, 12:07:21
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 24 November 2021, 13:08:51
Seems like they've officially coined this upcoming thxgivn as the 5th covid wave.
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 24 November 2021, 13:41:51
to catch covid on purpose, then they die.
A few years ago I heard about a female girl gang where you had to have sex with a man with AIDS as an initiation rite.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 24 November 2021, 14:16:40
to catch covid on purpose, then they die.
A few years ago I heard about a female girl gang where you had to have sex with a man with AIDS as an initiation rite.
There's a tribe in africa where an adulthood ritual for all women involves inter**** with a designated man, Unfortunately this man is HIV positive, they've continued ceremony despite that.
Post by: Leslieann on Wed, 24 November 2021, 23:03:53
to catch covid on purpose, then they die.A few years ago I heard about a female girl gang where you had to have sex with a man with AIDS as an initiation rite.
Gay men also did it in the early days of the AIDS epidemic.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 25 November 2021, 10:11:28
B.1.1.529 variant has 32 mutations in the spike protein.
Potentially, dexterity +50, evasion +50
First sighted in Botswana, 6 confirmed cases in South Africa.
Post by: bonzi on Sat, 27 November 2021, 01:57:28
who's with me?
Post by: noisyturtle on Sat, 27 November 2021, 06:35:28
Post by: bonzi on Sat, 27 November 2021, 17:44:05
What's that? Omicron Persei 8 is invading Earth?ALL THE MORE REASON TO JOIN ME!!!
WE CAN DEFEAT THEM WITH THE POWER OF HORSE TRANQUILIZERS!
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 27 November 2021, 18:38:40
Post by: fanpeople on Sun, 28 November 2021, 04:46:11
I'm thinking about injecting myself with horse tranquilizers to own the libshartsKetamine party? I am in.
who's with me?
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 28 November 2021, 06:22:44
I'm thinking about injecting myself with horse tranquilizers to own the libshartsKetamine party? I am in.
who's with me?
Reasonably sure those arn't very lively parties.
Post by: fanpeople on Mon, 29 November 2021, 01:20:48
That is ok with me.I'm thinking about injecting myself with horse tranquilizers to own the libshartsKetamine party? I am in.
who's with me?
Reasonably sure those arn't very lively parties.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 29 November 2021, 10:47:29
/Interesting...
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Post by: chyros on Wed, 01 December 2021, 09:42:13
I've heard very mixed stories of them, although I've never tried it myself. From what I understand you just kind of sit or lie on a couch and think you're another form of matter or energy, basically.I'm thinking about injecting myself with horse tranquilizers to own the libshartsKetamine party? I am in.
who's with me?
Reasonably sure those arn't very lively parties.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 01 December 2021, 09:55:53
I've heard very mixed stories of them, although I've never tried it myself. From what I understand you just kind of sit or lie on a couch and think you're another form of matter or energy, basically.
chyros, hangs out with all the kewl people.
Also, they're doing special chewing-GUM that traps covid.. Your thoughts ?
Post by: chyros on Thu, 02 December 2021, 09:32:34
Not really, but I live in the Netherlands :p . Not as much drug stigma here.I've heard very mixed stories of them, although I've never tried it myself. From what I understand you just kind of sit or lie on a couch and think you're another form of matter or energy, basically.
chyros, hangs out with all the kewl people.
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Also, they're doing special chewing-GUM that traps covid.. Your thoughts ? [/size][/color]Hadn't heard of it yet, so I looked it up. Not sure how tasty it'd be but it contains spike proteins that the virus particles attack, so the idea behind it is sound. It'd almost certainly make your drool less viral, but not sure if it would work with sneeze/cough particles as well because I don't know if you have those in the gum zone before the sneeze/cough itself.
Because it's just a protein it'd probably easier to make than complicated actual medication though, you could make it fairly widely available. But it would probably not protect yourself significantly, it'd only stop transmission from you to others. In which case you're supposed to stay at home anyway, so I'm not sure how much value it would add, really.
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 02 December 2021, 10:47:18
Per University of Florida,
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New research this week finds that people hospitalized with severe covid-19 often pay a heavy price afterward. The study concluded that these survivors were more than twice as likely to die in the subsequent 12 months compared to people who had tested negative for the virus. This relatively increased risk of death was even higher for people under the age 65. While there remains much research to be done, studies thus far have made it clear that many covid-19 survivors can experience lingering symptoms even after the infection itself has cleared up. And those who are hospitalized are all the more vulnerable to these aftereffects. Severe covid often seriously damages the lungs and other organs, while life-saving interventions like steroids, ventilators, and life support devices like ECMO can take a toll on the body as well.
https://gizmodo.com/many-severe-covid-19-survivors-go-on-to-die-within-a-ye-1848144418 (https://gizmodo.com/many-severe-covid-19-survivors-go-on-to-die-within-a-ye-1848144418)
Anyone going to I.C.U. has a higher risk of death in the following 12 months, your body took a beating but it's way worse for Covid.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 02 December 2021, 11:38:13
Anyone going to I.C.U. has a higher risk of death in the following 12 months, your body took a beating but it's way worse for Covid.
/Consequences.. !!
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 05 December 2021, 23:28:21
The little tick marks are crosses, clearly antichrist.
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Post by: chyros on Mon, 06 December 2021, 07:29:30
I'm not seeing a pattern here, are You ??Pattern seems really clear to me. Vacc shows nonlinearny inverse proportional trend with Trump %, high death count is very underrepresented with low Trump % compared to high Trump %. Median deaths per 100k vor high Trump voting counties seems clearly way higher.
The little tick marks are crosses, clearly antichrist.
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That's not to say there are other factors that influence the trend, of course. Trump voters have demographic characteristics that can be the reason for this trend that have nothing to do with Trump.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 06 December 2021, 07:58:31
Pattern seems really clear to me. Vacc shows nonlinearny inverse proportional trend with Trump %, high death count is very underrepresented with low Trump % compared to high Trump %. Median deaths per 100k vor high Trump voting counties seems clearly way higher.
That's not to say there are other factors that influence the trend, of course. Trump voters have demographic characteristics that can be the reason for this trend that have nothing to do with Trump.
We can look at this like Processing power. m0ar cpu = slightly m0ar right answer, making a dramatic difference @ epidemiological scales.
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 06 December 2021, 08:04:19
Trump voters have demographic characteristics
One of the most significant being education (or rather, lack of).
I suspect that the proportion of people who sincerely believe that vaccines don't work and/or are actually harmful is quite small.
In the US, the great majority of people who refuse vaccination probably do so as a "protest" against something something or to somehow demonstrate or reinforce their assertion of some point such as "vaccinations are probably effective but a person 'must' have the opportunity to 'choose' for himself" ....
Post by: noisyturtle on Mon, 06 December 2021, 14:21:34
When it began I truly believed it would be over in less than 6 months, but that was uneducated and narrow. This is a randomized population cull and it won't stop until we are in the black again.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 11 December 2021, 23:12:55
https://news.yahoo.com/local-health-departments-missouri-halt-171028320.html
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 15 December 2021, 16:50:42
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 15 December 2021, 16:53:44
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 15 December 2021, 17:13:38
That new pill that Pfizer is saying is 90% effective against hospitalization, will it work against future variants? I seem to rmember reading that it worked differently and would essentially work against any variant. Maybe I'm remembering wrong.
Well it's expensive, and only works if you catch it early, which is very unlikely because who ponies up for an expensive regiment when it might just be a cold..
So, it'll probably make very little difference to antivaxxers.
Post by: Leslieann on Wed, 15 December 2021, 20:28:41
Some family friends were going to visit their friends and decided to carpool with another couple, other couple gets in the car and immediately start hacking, coughing and sneezing.
Friend - "Good thing you're vaxx'd"
"No, we aren't"
"You at least got tested right?"
"No"
While the family friends are vaxx'd the husband has a weakened immune system due to a prior cancer fight and all 4 were going to visit another person who only just got out of cancer treatment.
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 15 December 2021, 20:49:34
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 17 December 2021, 09:38:27
You know, right after thanksgiving travel/ congregation ?, the thing Xpurts told everyone not to do, but they did anyway ?
Not to mention NYears gatherings coming up.
(https://i.imgur.com/HmeSYmM.jpg)
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 18 December 2021, 09:47:15
Spreading rapidly though.. that's already clear..
Post by: Leslieann on Sat, 18 December 2021, 10:36:38
We only just had our first death from Omicron and I would bet that person wasn't vaxx'd at all and probably had other health issues.
Edit:
Keep in mind that the 100k number is for vaxx'd, unvaxxed are what will (as usual) over-run hospitals.
And yes, more and more vaxx'd are winding up in the hospital, the more vaxx'd you have the more breakthroughs, that's how it's supposed to happen as vaccination numbers go up. It doesn't prove they don't work, it's just a reflection how many are getting vaccinated and how ratios/percentages/per capita work.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 18 December 2021, 13:50:44
Then comes CLIMATE CHANGE, it's gonna Hose us. Grind to a halt, Dark Ages kinda deal. Assuming futher mismanagement of radioactivity which _is terrible_ even in the Best of times, Pig-Poo-Thunderdome here we come.
Post by: Crabby on Sat, 18 December 2021, 14:02:33
Some mixed-messages on omicron lately, it's mild, it's deadly...
Spreading rapidly though.. that's already clear..
Seems from the preliminary south africa data it's far more mild, especially with existing immunity.
Presenting symptoms have for sure changed (probably for the better). Headache, fatigue and sneezing being far more prevalent.
Post by: suicidal_orange on Sat, 18 December 2021, 14:51:55
Presenting symptoms have for sure changed (probably for the better). Headache, fatigue and sneezing being far more prevalent.Personally I preferred the old version (assuming what I have now is Omicron - too many people getting tests means 58 of my 24-48 hours before notification have now passed but not allowed to chase it for another couple of days)
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 24 December 2021, 13:11:14
Not... that.. they were all there to begin with.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 25 December 2021, 16:21:02
Omicron extensively but incompletely escapes Pfizer BNT162b2 neutralization. A new study adds more evidence that the omicron variant of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, can evade the immune protection conferred by vaccines and natural infection.
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 26 December 2021, 14:01:59
Ahh... p00
Omicron extensively but incompletely escapes Pfizer BNT162b2 neutralization. A new study adds more evidence that the omicron variant of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, can evade the immune protection conferred by vaccines and natural infection.
I thought they already said this a few weeks ago. Won't protect against infection, but protects against severe sickness when you get it. Isn't that the current plan?
Post by: noisyturtle on Sun, 26 December 2021, 14:44:29
Really wanted the Moderna booster since reports say it produces almost 2x the amount of antibodies, but wound up getting Pfizer cause that's all they had.
Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 26 December 2021, 15:56:00
Omicron is 70% less likely than delta to require hospitalization and being vaxxed in any way is going to make it even less likely.Ahh... p00
Omicron extensively but incompletely escapes Pfizer BNT162b2 neutralization. A new study adds more evidence that the omicron variant of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, can evade the immune protection conferred by vaccines and natural infection.
I thought they already said this a few weeks ago. Won't protect against infection, but protects against severe sickness when you get it. Isn't that the current plan?
So it still helps.
Any vax taken before (and to an extent after) also helps with Covid's lingering after effects which can drag on for years.
Post by: suicidal_orange on Sun, 26 December 2021, 20:04:07
Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 26 December 2021, 21:48:43
I wonder how many rounds of progressively worse symptom-ed doses scientists expect people to endure as I'm yet to speak to anyone who's had a booster without significant weirdness in one of many ways.If you think what they experienced is odd, the real thing would have been even worse for them.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 29 December 2021, 15:21:02
you know, at _this_ point, the degree of separation must be quite small, how is it that they still haven't caught on. They must know many people who have died or are dying.
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 29 December 2021, 15:35:47
Post by: noisyturtle on Wed, 29 December 2021, 22:48:58
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 30 December 2021, 08:29:34
if the US government made getting vaxxed a legal requirement.
Get creative with the shaming
make their life annoying and miserable.
None of the above.
We are not facing a tiny band of malcontents. Nearly a third of the US population has fallen for the ludicrous squawkings of the hard right propaganda machine.
Somehow, they have allowed themselves to be convinced that they are a "ragtag militia" making a valiant last stand against an oppressive Empire. Therefore any assault on their position only reinforces the message that they have legitimate cause for grievance.
I understand this. I was raised in the South in the 1950s-1960s, and I was consistently taught in school that the Civil War was about noble and genteel people fighting for the "Lost Cause" of their precious "states' rights" and I bought into it until I started awakening into an adult intelligence. Even so, it would be another couple of decades before I started understanding just how cynical and insidious that indoctrination really was.
Until they themselves become ashamed of the Quixote-esque meaninglessness of their behavior, there will be no turning them "from the outside" ....
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 30 December 2021, 15:39:18
Omicron count is going up steadily though. <it's suppose to be mild> but this is not a certainty at this point.
Even North East hospitals(higher vac rate) are getting swamped right now. This is serious.
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 30 December 2021, 16:50:09
None of the above.
Until they themselves become ashamed of the Quixote-esque meaninglessness of their behavior, there will be no turning them "from the outside" ....
This.
This was why the CDC changed incubation to 5 days, it's them basically throwing their hands up in defeat. Mandate a mask, they fight it. Mandate vaxx they fight it. Make it all optional they lie about it. Short of hauling them in and vaxxing them by force they've done all they can to control it and at this point all they can do is hope the hospitals can bear the brunt of it. It's going to be a rough winter.
As they say, you can't fix stupid.
Fam update...
My anti-vax brother, the one who's wife and in-laws only just got out of I.C.U and nearly died a month ago yet still refused to get vaxxed, he just tested positive, probably omicron. If that doesn't kill him, his wife might. The kicker, he's been working a hospital emergency room for the 2 days it took to test and get the results back, he thought he had a head cold so he kept right on working. And we wonder why the CDC gave up.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 30 December 2021, 16:52:17
It may be important to remain empathetic though, they're not fundamentally bad people, even though they are poorly educated and gravely mis-informed.
As I've said from the beginning this is NO DIFFERENT than someone who's born into a Poor-household.
Post by: suicidal_orange on Thu, 30 December 2021, 19:01:46
My anti-vax brother, the one who's wife and in-laws only just got out of I.C.U and nearly died a month ago yet still refused to get vaxxed, he just tested positive, probably omicron. If that doesn't kill him, his wife might. The kicker, he's been working a hospital emergency room for the 2 days it took to test and get the results back, he thought he had a head cold so he kept right on working.Even if the state (or whatever) doesn't insist on vax surely he'll get fired for working with symptoms? As I understand America anyone who visited that ER and tested positive since will be suing the hospital, assuming they work out that's where it came from.
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 30 December 2021, 19:26:25
Covid can fix stupid..No, he's just a jerk*.
It may be important to remain empathetic though, they're not fundamentally bad people, even though they are poorly educated and gravely mis-informed.
As I've said from the beginning this is NO DIFFERENT than someone who's born into a Poor-household.
He enjoys gaslighting people and feeling superior.
*Forum safe language.
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 30 December 2021, 19:41:09
Even if the state (or whatever) doesn't insist on vax surely he'll get fired for working with symptoms? As I understand America anyone who visited that ER and tested positive since will be suing the hospital, assuming they work out that's where it came from.In 2005 we passed the PREP ACT (Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act), which shields companies against this for the most part, we knew something like this was coming, hence getting the vaxx so quickly. Also more than 20 states have passed laws specifically granting businesses immunity from Covid lawsuits.
Even if you get around all of that you would have to prove where, when and who you caught it from, between the incubation period and LOOOONG emergency room waits full of other people with Covid you'd never get be able to prove it was from that. Most people are there for Covid anyhow, can't catch what you already have.
Post by: suicidal_orange on Thu, 30 December 2021, 21:03:16
Most people are there for Covid anyhow, can't catch what you already have.I went to the ER to get my finger stuck back together a couple of weeks ago and there was plenty of blood and bruises and even a suicidal person (is that really ER worthy?!) but no covid, it's hard to imagine just how bad you have it over there. Suppose I shouldn't be surprised that the rich have insulated themselves from the problem though, and of course your hospitals are businesses which is different from here.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 30 December 2021, 21:26:46
probably a million reasons, antivaxr holidayn' but DAmNnn...
/anyone else nervous?
/might as well give up and pick up drinking ?
(https://i.imgur.com/E12R2ah.gif)
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 30 December 2021, 21:45:58
probably a million reasons, antivaxr holidayn' but DAmNnn...Peak will be Feb. with an estimated 10k dead per day.
We haven't seen nothin' yet.
And this is IF the nurses don't up and walk out before then, and I wouldn't blame them.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 30 December 2021, 22:16:22
an estimated 10k dead per day.
(https://i.imgur.com/7RN51tV.gif)
Post by: chyros on Fri, 31 December 2021, 03:47:25
Covid can fix stupid..I suspect in time Omikron will drive Delta away and it will become the dominant strain. It's a more successful strain because it's more contagious, but less virulent, which is the hallmark of a successful disease. It's not in the virus' interest to kill you, after all.
It may be important to remain empathetic though, they're not fundamentally bad people, even though they are poorly educated and gravely mis-informed.
As I've said from the beginning this is NO DIFFERENT than someone who's born into a Poor-household.
Because the two strains are in competition, the Omikron variant should push the Delta variant away at some point, I reckon. This is likely to be a good thing, because this strain is much less likely to put you in hospital. It's at this stage that Covid should eventually (after enough exposures) become "just another flu variant" as they had originally predicted.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 01 January 2022, 09:45:43
Him quoting: "Hell is just a word. The reality is, much, much worse."
He's talking about the current patient load, the likelihood of complete medical collapse in the next few month, and omicr0n.
Post by: chyros on Sat, 01 January 2022, 10:02:27
Ems tech quoting Event Horizon, Don't know how to feel about that:Patient load is easy to solve. Just toss all antivaxxers out of all the hospitals. Two birds with one stone :p .
Him quoting: "Hell is just a word. The reality is, much, much worse."
He's talking about the current patient load, the likelihood of complete medical collapse in the next few month, and omicr0n.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 01 January 2022, 11:31:17
Patient load is easy to solve. Just toss all antivaxxers out of all the hospitals. Two birds with one stone :p .
I can't seem to find the stats on how many antivaxxers they're actually able to save.
If it's a very low number, unethical yes, but hrrrmm...
Post by: chyros on Sat, 01 January 2022, 16:09:30
Unethical is easy to solve. Institute a mandatory visit to a nearby location where you have to either get vaccinated on the spot, or sign a binding waiver that you'll not go to a hospital if you get sick from Covid. Won't help clear beds immediately, but should achieve similar results after 1-2 weeks.Patient load is easy to solve. Just toss all antivaxxers out of all the hospitals. Two birds with one stone :p .
I can't seem to find the stats on how many antivaxxers they're actually able to save.
If it's a very low number, unethical yes, but hrrrmm...
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 01 January 2022, 16:15:00
Unethical is easy to solve. Institute a mandatory visit to a nearby location where you have to either get vaccinated on the spot, or sign a binding waiver that you'll not go to a hospital if you get sick from Covid. Won't help clear beds immediately, but should achieve similar results after 1-2 weeks.
I don't think this would be legal. The hospital is not allowed to not treat a dying person.
Problem is how quickly they go from sniffles to dying with Covid.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 01 January 2022, 19:51:04
....the Omicron variant... is "extraordinarily contagious"...."This is a hyper-contagious virus." even a quick, transient encounter can lead to an infection, including if someone's mask is loose, or a person quickly pulls their mask down, or an individual enters an elevator in which someone else has just coughed....
So...... what now ??
...During the week of Dec. 22-28, an average of 378 children 17 and under were admitted per day to hospitals with the coronavirus, a 66% increase from the week before, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Thursday.
The previous high over the course of the pandemic was in early September, when child hospitalizations averaged 342 per day, the CDC said....
They're talking about closing skools again, which means...... ?
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 01 January 2022, 23:10:13
Post by: chyros on Sun, 02 January 2022, 04:43:01
The whole point is that the hospitals have plenty of people waiting for treatment even without Covid patients knocking on their door. And if they've been vaxxed, by all means, go ahead, save a life. Of course these patients should be treated.Unethical is easy to solve. Institute a mandatory visit to a nearby location where you have to either get vaccinated on the spot, or sign a binding waiver that you'll not go to a hospital if you get sick from Covid. Won't help clear beds immediately, but should achieve similar results after 1-2 weeks.
I don't think this would be legal. The hospital is not allowed to not treat a dying person.
Problem is how quickly they go from sniffles to dying with Covid.
What I DON'T agree with is antivaxxers getting sick and then taking up an IC bed that bars literally DOZENS of patients from getting life-saving treatments. Do you know how many cancer patients are having to wait for a treatment just because a whole bunch of people refuse to take responsibility? I mean if not getting vaccinated is that important to you, they ought to put their money where their mouth is, IMO.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 02 January 2022, 08:54:44
The whole point is that the hospitals have plenty of people waiting for treatment even without Covid patients knocking on their door. And if they've been vaxxed, by all means, go ahead, save a life. Of course these patients should be treated.
What I DON'T agree with is antivaxxers getting sick and then taking up an IC bed that bars literally DOZENS of patients from getting life-saving treatments. Do you know how many cancer patients are having to wait for a treatment just because a whole bunch of people refuse to take responsibility? I mean if not getting vaccinated is that important to you, they ought to put their money where their mouth is, IMO.
Upfront I agree. But intellectual inequality is a product of education, where both the quality and access is gated by socio-economic classes.
You can't entirely blame the poorly educated for this outcome. The leadership (economic and political) extracted too much time-wealth from the poor, the poor spent what little time they had on entertainment instead of self-improvement, and we end up with a largely dim-witted population.
Taken to the extreme in slavery, would you turn around and blame the slaves for not knowing better how to fight for their best interest when they live under malnourishment and the whip ?
There is no disagreement here that antivaxxers are stupid, but the ethical treatment clause is there because their misfortune is not "entirely" their fault.
Post by: kurplop on Sun, 02 January 2022, 08:57:02
What I DON'T agree with is antivaxxers getting sick and then taking up an IC bed that bars literally DOZENS of patients from getting life-saving treatments. Do you know how many cancer patients are having to wait for a treatment just because a whole bunch of people refuse to take responsibility? I mean if not getting vaccinated is that important to you, they ought to put their money where their mouth is, IMO.
Do you think that same protocol should apply to all behavior considered risky:sky diving, poor diet, inadequate or excessive sun exposure, smoking, unprotected casual sex, excessive drinking, sedentary lifestyle, etc.?
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 02 January 2022, 09:03:43
Do you think that same protocol should apply to all behavior considered risky:sky diving, poor diet, inadequate or excessive sun exposure, smoking, unprotected casual sex, excessive drinking, sedentary lifestyle, etc.?
The focus on treatment is a consequence of capitalism. We should invest more into Prevention:
Using Cheaper GPU prices, to prevent sky diving;
Whole food plant based diet, to prevent poor diet;
More Windows, inadequate or excessive sun exposure
Cheaper GPU prices, smoking
Cheaper GPU Prices, unprotected casual sex
Cheaper GPU prices, excessive drinking
Cheaper GPU prices, etc.
Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 02 January 2022, 10:44:00
Do you think that same protocol should apply to all behavior considered risky:sky diving, poor diet, inadequate or excessive sun exposure, smoking, unprotected casual sex, excessive drinking, sedentary lifestyle, etc.?None of that is even remotely the same as a pandemic.
All of that is predictable, we're equipped for it, our hospitals are geared for daily life problems including everything you mentioned with a few spare beds, they are not equipped for a 10,000% surge.
What part of this do you not understand?
Post by: chyros on Sun, 02 January 2022, 10:46:05
If there was one bed available and I'd have to choose between treating lung cancer in a heavy smoker vs a non-smoker, I'd know which to choose, yes. Plus, we already penalise certain unhealthy acts such as smoking and drinking. However, you're naming a lot of long-term things. Getting a vaccination takes a few minutes, not a lifetime. Plus, we're dealing with a rapidly spreading virus with which you're at risk of spreading to others - the danger goes way beyond yourself. The question is a rather apples-and-pears IMO.
What I DON'T agree with is antivaxxers getting sick and then taking up an IC bed that bars literally DOZENS of patients from getting life-saving treatments. Do you know how many cancer patients are having to wait for a treatment just because a whole bunch of people refuse to take responsibility? I mean if not getting vaccinated is that important to you, they ought to put their money where their mouth is, IMO.
Do you think that same protocol should apply to all behavior considered risky:sky diving, poor diet, inadequate or excessive sun exposure, smoking, unprotected casual sex, excessive drinking, sedentary lifestyle, etc.?
Post by: chyros on Sun, 02 January 2022, 10:50:24
I'm not sure I agree with that statement. Perhaps it's because of the difference in socio-political climates in our countries that I can't identify, but frankly I find that a poor excuse. Not knowing the law isn't an excuse for breaking it, either. In this life, your choices have consequences - that's something we all have to live with. And frankly there is MORE than enough information about this virus out there that you couldn't miss even if you tried. The only conclusion is that if you're uneducated about the basic aspects of vaccination, you're choosing to be.The whole point is that the hospitals have plenty of people waiting for treatment even without Covid patients knocking on their door. And if they've been vaxxed, by all means, go ahead, save a life. Of course these patients should be treated.
What I DON'T agree with is antivaxxers getting sick and then taking up an IC bed that bars literally DOZENS of patients from getting life-saving treatments. Do you know how many cancer patients are having to wait for a treatment just because a whole bunch of people refuse to take responsibility? I mean if not getting vaccinated is that important to you, they ought to put their money where their mouth is, IMO.
Upfront I agree. But intellectual inequality is a product of education, where both the quality and access is gated by socio-economic classes.
You can't entirely blame the poorly educated for this outcome. The leadership (economic and political) extracted too much time-wealth from the poor, the poor spent what little time they had on entertainment instead of self-improvement, and we end up with a largely dim-witted population.
Taken to the extreme in slavery, would you turn around and blame the slaves for not knowing better how to fight for their best interest when they live under malnourishment and the whip ?
There is no disagreement here that antivaxxers are stupid, but the ethical treatment clause is there because their misfortune is not "entirely" their fault.
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 02 January 2022, 11:33:53
because of the difference in socio-political climates in our countries
I doubt that many non-Americans can understand the schizophrenic split that has ripped us apart during the past 4 decades.
After WW2, much of the developed world rebuilt itself in the (successful) image of the US social democracy. That is why Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, South Korea, etc, have become brilliant success stories in their reconstruction, while we have, in many ways, stagnated.
Here, though, the upsurge of progressive social advancement infuriated the entrenched powers, and mobilized them, beginning in the late-1950s, to oppose progressive change at every opportunity. They achieved their goal when Reagan took office and began the relentless assault on civil rights, unions, and ripping away the "rules and regulations" that preserve democracy itself. His destructive message, distilled into one sentence that he loved to repeat at any opportunity, was "Government is the problem, not the solution."
Today, almost a third of our population actually believes that damaging and short-circuiting the operation of our government is good for the country.
Here is a comprehensive look at the situation:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/30011020-democracy-in-chains (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/30011020-democracy-in-chains)
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 02 January 2022, 12:16:39
The UK has seen record numbers of daily cases over the festive period.
Transport, the NHS and schools have already seen the effect of absences.
Rising case numbers have led to large numbers self-isolating and being unable to go to work. This has particularly affected industries where staff are unable to work from home.
Post by: kurplop on Sun, 02 January 2022, 22:29:54
Do you think that same protocol should apply to all behavior considered risky:sky diving, poor diet, inadequate or excessive sun exposure, smoking, unprotected casual sex, excessive drinking, sedentary lifestyle, etc.?None of that is even remotely the same as a pandemic.
All of that is predictable, we're equipped for it, our hospitals are geared for daily life problems including everything you mentioned with a few spare beds, they are not equipped for a 10,000% surge.
What part of this do you not understand?
I don't understand how people overburdening the healthcare system is any different whether it's caused by not being vaccinated (assuming the vaccines are effective and I believe they reduce the severity of the Covid), or other causes the are preventable. What don't you understand about that?
For decades, medical ethicists have asked similar questions, whether it's triaging patients or deciding who should get the donor liver. As long as medical care is in scarcity, whether caused by a pandemic or economic realities, my question is valid.
Post by: noisyturtle on Sun, 02 January 2022, 22:43:12
The exact opposite reactions vs working in GameStop and asking for mask compliance. At GS a customer 100% of the time would be super cool and either mask up, or step out and wait for their friend. At Whole Foods it is a huge scene with screaming and "How dare you"s peppered liberally throughout basically every single time.
Post by: chyros on Mon, 03 January 2022, 01:38:01
Again, maybe it's different where you live, but before the pandemic, I wouldn't say medical care here is "in scarcity". And if they invent a pill or vaccine against cancer or other diseases, I'll probably be backing the same statement. But I wouldn't call dodging a vaccination out of sheer stupidity and not doing your 5 a day every day the same thing.Do you think that same protocol should apply to all behavior considered risky:sky diving, poor diet, inadequate or excessive sun exposure, smoking, unprotected casual sex, excessive drinking, sedentary lifestyle, etc.?None of that is even remotely the same as a pandemic.
All of that is predictable, we're equipped for it, our hospitals are geared for daily life problems including everything you mentioned with a few spare beds, they are not equipped for a 10,000% surge.
What part of this do you not understand?
I don't understand how people overburdening the healthcare system is any different whether it's caused by not being vaccinated (assuming the vaccines are effective and I believe they reduce the severity of the Covid), or other causes the are preventable. What don't you understand about that?
For decades, medical ethicists have asked similar questions, whether it's triaging patients or deciding who should get the donor liver. As long as medical care is in scarcity, whether caused by a pandemic or economic realities, my question is valid.
Post by: kurplop on Mon, 03 January 2022, 06:24:56
Again, maybe it's different where you live, but before the pandemic, I wouldn't say medical care here is "in scarcity". And if they invent a pill or vaccine against cancer or other diseases, I'll probably be backing the same statement. But I wouldn't call dodging a vaccination out of sheer stupidity and not doing your 5 a day every day the same thing.Do you think that same protocol should apply to all behavior considered risky:sky diving, poor diet, inadequate or excessive sun exposure, smoking, unprotected casual sex, excessive drinking, sedentary lifestyle, etc.?None of that is even remotely the same as a pandemic.
All of that is predictable, we're equipped for it, our hospitals are geared for daily life problems including everything you mentioned with a few spare beds, they are not equipped for a 10,000% surge.
What part of this do you not understand?
I don't understand how people overburdening the healthcare system is any different whether it's caused by not being vaccinated (assuming the vaccines are effective and I believe they reduce the severity of the Covid), or other causes the are preventable. What don't you understand about that?
For decades, medical ethicists have asked similar questions, whether it's triaging patients or deciding who should get the donor liver. As long as medical care is in scarcity, whether caused by a pandemic or economic realities, my question is valid.
Where I live, It is common for people to wait months to see a specialist. I would call that scarcity. Especially with a cancer diagnoses where early detection and treatment is critical. Also, medical costs outpacing inflation is an empirical indicator of a supply shortfall (at least in a free market society). I agree that there is a difference between not being vaccinated and some of the other risk factors mentioned earlier, but not as much as you may be implying. Why shouldn’t the individual be responsible for their choices instead of society?
Post by: chyros on Mon, 03 January 2022, 08:01:25
There's definitely more scarcity where you live, then. And honestly, something like a tax on unhealthy foods for example may not be a bad thing to consider. It already exists in several places. That way, the extra money can go to hospitals to help deal with it - a bit like smokers' and drinkers' taxes go to healthcare already.Again, maybe it's different where you live, but before the pandemic, I wouldn't say medical care here is "in scarcity". And if they invent a pill or vaccine against cancer or other diseases, I'll probably be backing the same statement. But I wouldn't call dodging a vaccination out of sheer stupidity and not doing your 5 a day every day the same thing.Do you think that same protocol should apply to all behavior considered risky:sky diving, poor diet, inadequate or excessive sun exposure, smoking, unprotected casual sex, excessive drinking, sedentary lifestyle, etc.?None of that is even remotely the same as a pandemic.
All of that is predictable, we're equipped for it, our hospitals are geared for daily life problems including everything you mentioned with a few spare beds, they are not equipped for a 10,000% surge.
What part of this do you not understand?
I don't understand how people overburdening the healthcare system is any different whether it's caused by not being vaccinated (assuming the vaccines are effective and I believe they reduce the severity of the Covid), or other causes the are preventable. What don't you understand about that?
For decades, medical ethicists have asked similar questions, whether it's triaging patients or deciding who should get the donor liver. As long as medical care is in scarcity, whether caused by a pandemic or economic realities, my question is valid.
Where I live, It is common for people to wait months to see a specialist. I would call that scarcity. Especially with a cancer diagnoses where early detection and treatment is critical. Also, medical costs outpacing inflation is an empirical indicator of a supply shortfall (at least in a free market society). I agree that there is a difference between not being vaccinated and some of the other risk factors mentioned earlier, but not as much as you may be implying. Why shouldn’t the individual be responsible for their choices instead of society?
But those are well-known and established things we have a lot of experience with, and facilities for. We don't for the pandemic. We don't have the same luxuries.
Post by: Leslieann on Mon, 03 January 2022, 08:33:17
I don't understand how people overburdening the healthcare system is any different whether it's caused by not being vaccinated (assuming the vaccines are effective and I believe they reduce the severity of the Covid), or other causes the are preventable. What don't you understand about that?
For decades, medical ethicists have asked similar questions, whether it's triaging patients or deciding who should get the donor liver. As long as medical care is in scarcity, whether caused by a pandemic or economic realities, my question is valid.
Those are ongoing issues and the whole overburden is bush*t.
Does it cost money, yes, but it's built into the system because it's an ongoing problem, they didn't spring up out of nowhere, we had time to adapt to them. "Overburden" in this case just means you don't want to pay for someone else's care. I guarantee you, you do something unhealthy someone else also doesn't want to pay for. Do you work out and exercise, well some people believe your heart only has x number of pumps and any stress leads to an early death (Trump is one of them). Good luck finding a middle ground where everyone is happy with what is covered.
Pandemics like Covid happen every 100 years or so, so should we build hospitals with them in mind, always have 100 spare beds, rooms and associated staff (around 400 people) to handle them at every hospital? Is that enough? Is it too much? How much of a burden is that going to be? And without knowing ahead of time how it's transmitted all your efforts could be a waste, or completely overbuilt. Keep in mind it may be 20, 50, 80, 200 or maybe 500 years before the next one, 100 is just an average.
The truth is, we actually did have some systems in place to protect against this sort of thing, we had spare ventilators, beds, masks, gloves, oxygen, etc. stockpiled in warehouses in expectation of this exact thing. They could be rolled out in an emergency to keep hospitals stockpiled, we've had it for decades. Bush Jr. was informed by our pandemic czar (yes, that job exists to procure this sort of stuff and handle planning for one) and Clinton, Obama and Trump were all told to expect a pandemic in the very near future. Trump fired the person charge of it, sold some of it off and then let the medical certifications on the rest of it go bad. We sent THOUSANDS of ventilators to garbage dumps just a year prior to Covid.
So even if you think it's a good idea to have all of that stuff on the ready you have 100 years during which time it only takes one idiot to come along and decide it's a burden on the system and we should get rid of it.
edit: chyros posted while I was still writing my response and beat me to some of it.
Post by: kurplop on Mon, 03 January 2022, 11:25:30
There will always be differences of opinions about best health practices: animal vs plant based diets, high physical activity vs emphasis on inactivity, western vs eastern medicine—the list can go on and on and one size doesn’t fit all. Let people make there own health and lifestyle choices and let them accept the consequences, good or bad, for them.
BTW, excessive costs and limited access to healthcare has been a constant concern in the US since at least the Clinton administration. I would hardly call my “overburdening” comment bull.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 03 January 2022, 13:17:39
Why shouldn’t the individual be responsible for their choices instead of society?
The individual should be responsible, but they can not be responsible for the "entirety" of their happenstance.
Let's say a person is born low on the socio-economic ladder. He's going to play that hand of cards regardless. There are limited options available to him. It may also be the case that most of those options are bad.
If his parents were not well educated, then they pass down a set-of-worldly-ignorances to him, he becomes a bigot or some colloquial low life, that's just playing his hand.
Rags to riches is extremely rare, and coming out of a backwards mindset typically takes more than 1 generation of climbing.
Now, in a world with even greater economic gap, the climb is extended. The wealthy made those decisions, not the poor.
A great deal of the rural population are also basically <Pre-Internet> during their basic education, so there's a LOT of updates/patches missing in their general comprehension.
Then we look at education. The Vaxxed often exclaim, don't these anti-vax understand statistics ?, can't they see that the numbers add up to xxxx-outcome and explains xxxx-options.
Go to any college, they have remedial-math-courses. What IS remedial math. Basically, anything between fractions and algebra 1.
Now, this is age 18+, what if a person didn't go to colllaag, well.. he enters the world with very little number sense beyond, bigger number means more.
LOTS of people take remedial math. Lots of people don't go to collag.
Post by: Darthbaggins on Mon, 03 January 2022, 14:51:22
Leslieann, you’re sounding very emotional about a very academic question I asked about healthcare. I was not questioning anything about Covid policies except how their practices compare to past practices regarding health services provided to people who in some ways are responsible for their conditions. Government has been assigned the rightful role in health concerns greater than the individual. As soon as they claim responsibility for health outcomes for the individual they, by necessity, have the right to limit personal freedom. This concerns me.
There will always be differences of opinions about best health practices: animal vs plant based diets, high physical activity vs emphasis on inactivity, western vs eastern medicine—the list can go on and on and one size doesn’t fit all. Let people make there own health and lifestyle choices and let them accept the consequences, good or bad, for them.
BTW, excessive costs and limited access to healthcare has been a constant concern in the US since at least the Clinton administration. I would hardly call my “overburdening” comment bull.
Not seeing anything emotional from Leslie's posts concerning your (imo) trap of a post.
Post by: kurplop on Mon, 03 January 2022, 15:27:52
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 03 January 2022, 15:59:51
Pandemics like Covid happen every 100 years or so, so should we build hospitals with them in mind, always have 100 spare beds, rooms and associated staff (around 400 people) to handle them at every hospital? Is that enough? Is it too much? How much of a burden is that going to be? And without knowing ahead of time how it's transmitted all your efforts could be a waste, or completely overbuilt. Keep in mind it may be 20, 50, 80, 200 or maybe 500 years before the next one, 100 is just an average.
We've had many close calls with Hundreds of such viruses in the last 50 years with the proliferation of CAFO Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations. <animal agriculture>
If the trend continues, it's likely we'll have something serious like covid every 5-10 years. NOT 100.
The majority of major pandemics are Zoonotic. Virus jump from animal host (harmless to that animal) , into humans, wrecking havok.
End animal agriculture, and it'll take care of 90% of pandemic risk.
Post by: fanpeople on Mon, 03 January 2022, 16:18:18
Not seeing anythign emotional from Leslie's posts concerning your (imo) trap of a post.
Seconded, pretty level headed response. Not emotional.
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 03 January 2022, 16:33:16
TP, I agree with the bulk of what you are saying.
This should be a T-shirt or bumper sticker.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 03 January 2022, 16:48:04
TP, I agree with the bulk of what you are saying.
This should be a T-shirt or bumper sticker.
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Post by: Leslieann on Mon, 03 January 2022, 19:57:51
Leslieann, you’re sounding very emotional about a very academic question I asked about healthcare. I was not questioning anything about Covid policies except how their practices compare to past practices regarding health services provided to people who in some ways are responsible for their conditions. Government has been assigned the rightful role in health concerns greater than the individual. As soon as they claim responsibility for health outcomes for the individual they, by necessity, have the right to limit personal freedom. This concerns me.You're meshing lifestyle and health issues/policies/choices with a global pandemic, yes they're medical issues, but I've not heard of anyone catching cancer or obesity from another person, your analogy would be better suited to something like flu or the common cold.
There will always be differences of opinions about best health practices: animal vs plant based diets, high physical activity vs emphasis on inactivity, western vs eastern medicine—the list can go on and on and one size doesn’t fit all. Let people make there own health and lifestyle choices and let them accept the consequences, good or bad, for them.
BTW, excessive costs and limited access to healthcare has been a constant concern in the US since at least the Clinton administration. I would hardly call my “overburdening” comment bull.
As for frustration, while I thought it was level headed, we were discussing apples and oranges and you walked in shouting "pizza".
edit: formatting and less antagonistic.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 03 January 2022, 20:08:58
Leslieann, you’re sounding very emotional about a very academic question I asked about healthcare. I was not questioning anything about Covid policies except how their practices compare to past practices regarding health services provided to people who in some ways are responsible for their conditions. Government has been assigned the rightful role in health concerns greater than the individual. As soon as they claim responsibility for health outcomes for the individual they, by necessity, have the right to limit personal freedom. This concerns me.You're meshing lifestyle and health issues/policies/choices with a global pandemic, yes they're medical issues, but I've not heard of anyone catching cancer or obesity from another person, your analogy would be better suited to something like flu or the common cold.
There will always be differences of opinions about best health practices: animal vs plant based diets, high physical activity vs emphasis on inactivity, western vs eastern medicine—the list can go on and on and one size doesn’t fit all. Let people make there own health and lifestyle choices and let them accept the consequences, good or bad, for them.
BTW, excessive costs and limited access to healthcare has been a constant concern in the US since at least the Clinton administration. I would hardly call my “overburdening” comment bull.
Basically were comparing apples and oranges and you walk by and shout "pizza".
It has no bearing on the conversation but you can't seem to understand the difference.
LLann, You guys are talking about "different things".
Kurplop is on the side where collective societal decisions ascertain negative outcomes that we have no choice but to deal with.
LLann wants to punish the antivax because they're responsible for what agency they possess.
Both things need to happen as part of the system.
Some punishment, and some societal reorganization.
Post by: Leslieann on Mon, 03 January 2022, 20:45:13
LLann wants to punish the antivax because they're responsible for what agency they possess.
Not punish, live by what they speak.
Don't tell us we have to live with the consequences of our decision to get vaccinated and then soak up all of the medical resources when your decision not to doesn't work out, that's the consequence of their own decision. It's ridiculous that someone, through no part of their own, gets in a car wreck and dies because some anti-vaxxer is taking up a hospital bed because they didn't want the vaccine .
And it's not that I want them to die, this forces to actually consider their actions and hopefully stop acting like petulant children.
Post by: chyros on Tue, 04 January 2022, 02:39:38
I'm sorry, I can't accept poverty as an excuse for deliberately ignoring public service announcements. If you're too poor to be educated, OK fine, but that doesn't mean you should think that you're better than people who DO know what they're talking about.Why shouldn’t the individual be responsible for their choices instead of society?
The individual should be responsible, but they can not be responsible for the "entirety" of their happenstance.
Let's say a person is born low on the socio-economic ladder. He's going to play that hand of cards regardless. There are limited options available to him. It may also be the case that most of those options are bad.
If his parents were not well educated, then they pass down a set-of-worldly-ignorances to him, he becomes a bigot or some colloquial low life, that's just playing his hand.
Rags to riches is extremely rare, and coming out of a backwards mindset typically takes more than 1 generation of climbing.
Now, in a world with even greater economic gap, the climb is extended. The wealthy made those decisions, not the poor.
A great deal of the rural population are also basically <Pre-Internet> during their basic education, so there's a LOT of updates/patches missing in their general comprehension.
Then we look at education. The Vaxxed often exclaim, don't these anti-vax understand statistics ?, can't they see that the numbers add up to xxxx-outcome and explains xxxx-options.
Go to any college, they have remedial-math-courses. What IS remedial math. Basically, anything between fractions and algebra 1.
Now, this is age 18+, what if a person didn't go to colllaag, well.. he enters the world with very little number sense beyond, bigger number means more.
LOTS of people take remedial math. Lots of people don't go to collag.
You can't escape news about how vaccinations work and how they save lives nowadays. If you choose not to take them, it's not a matter of being uneducated, it's a matter of deliberately ignoring or denying public news.
You don't need to end ALL animal agriculture. Perhaps people should just stop eating bat soup and pangolin steak :p .Pandemics like Covid happen every 100 years or so, so should we build hospitals with them in mind, always have 100 spare beds, rooms and associated staff (around 400 people) to handle them at every hospital? Is that enough? Is it too much? How much of a burden is that going to be? And without knowing ahead of time how it's transmitted all your efforts could be a waste, or completely overbuilt. Keep in mind it may be 20, 50, 80, 200 or maybe 500 years before the next one, 100 is just an average.
We've had many close calls with Hundreds of such viruses in the last 50 years with the proliferation of CAFO Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations. <animal agriculture>
If the trend continues, it's likely we'll have something serious like covid every 5-10 years. NOT 100.
The majority of major pandemics are Zoonotic. Virus jump from animal host (harmless to that animal) , into humans, wrecking havok.
End animal agriculture, and it'll take care of 90% of pandemic risk.
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 04 January 2022, 08:05:15
poverty as an excuse for deliberately ignoring public service
One of the core components of the Radical Right's diseducation agenda was the creation of an angry under-class propelled and informed by what I would call "aggressive ignorance" - a sort of ersatz Marxism focusing its vitriol on an imaginary left-leaning cabal to divert attention directly away from the politicians who were actually inflicting the pain on them.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 04 January 2022, 09:26:51
Quote from: chyros link=topic=113909.msg3103408#msg3103408
I'm sorry, I can't accept poverty as an excuse for deliberately ignoring public service announcements. If you're too poor to be educated, OK fine, but that doesn't mean you should think that you're better than people who DO know what they're talking about.
You don't need to end ALL animal agriculture. Perhaps people should just stop eating bat soup and pangolin steak :p .
Take the steps backwards, how is a slave suppose to understand what he was never taught.
Your assumption is that everyone has the same lvl of critical thinking to discern fact from fiction, right from wrong. Intellect require many precursors that have to be taught, people who enter the workforce earlier often miss these lessons completely.
In the US, these people typically identify with the republican banner, because that politisphere deliberately marketed to the underclass, and banked on their ignorance.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 04 January 2022, 22:16:04
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Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 04 January 2022, 23:18:36
They're extremely well written.. Sure, nurses are educated people, surely some of them have writing skills, but incredibly coherent and stylistically uniform.. Hrrrm...... And Multiple, not just 1 nurse.. hrrrm....
Post by: Leslieann on Wed, 05 January 2022, 08:48:13
Anyone --Suspicious-- of these written nurses bedside accounts popping up lately ?I'm reminded of a story I heard a few years ago...
They're extremely well written.. Sure, nurses are educated people, surely some of them have writing skills, but incredibly coherent and stylistically uniform.. Hrrrm...... And Multiple, not just 1 nurse.. hrrrm....
Some famous older rock musician (I forget who) walked into a bar and heard a band just killing it and yet he'd never heard of them, after listening for a bit he realized that his band wasn't really any better than this one, they just got a lucky break by in being in the right place at the right time and meeting the right people. Both bands could have easily swapped places in history and no one would have known.
And it really is that simple.
There is a ton of raw talent out there but life, desires, and luck can all get in the way and prevent you from becoming the next Beatles, George R. R. Martin or Elon Musk. Ask yourself how many of those people do we even need? The odds of you breaking through and becoming famous or even an industry leader becomes less and less every day as the population gets larger and larger and more and more educated.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 05 January 2022, 10:52:04
Dang, treatable , large accidents/heart attacks/strokes are all Instant Kills now.
Don't do anything big during covid peaks, you could die.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 05 January 2022, 14:52:20
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Post by: Leslieann on Wed, 05 January 2022, 22:26:17
This is insane, you don't want covid guys, when they have to strap you to one of these, it's like 99% death.And if that doesn't kill you, the cost will if you're in the U.S.
Post by: chyros on Thu, 06 January 2022, 08:43:25
Patients are dying 100 feet from the Hospital door when the beds are full. The wait time goes to several hours, even for REAL emergencies.Exactly my point. This is inexcusable.
Dang, treatable , large accidents/heart attacks/strokes are all Instant Kills now.
Don't do anything big during covid peaks, you could die.
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 06 January 2022, 16:16:31
Anyone --Suspicious-- of these written nurses bedside accounts popping up lately ?I'm reminded of a story I heard a few years ago...
They're extremely well written.. Sure, nurses are educated people, surely some of them have writing skills, but incredibly coherent and stylistically uniform.. Hrrrm...... And Multiple, not just 1 nurse.. hrrrm....
Some famous older rock musician (I forget who) walked into a bar and heard a band just killing it and yet he'd never heard of them, after listening for a bit he realized that his band wasn't really any better than this one, they just got a lucky break by in being in the right place at the right time and meeting the right people. Both bands could have easily swapped places in history and no one would have known.
And it really is that simple.
There is a ton of raw talent out there but life, desires, and luck can all get in the way and prevent you from becoming the next Beatles, George R. R. Martin or Elon Musk. Ask yourself how many of those people do we even need? The odds of you breaking through and becoming famous or even an industry leader becomes less and less every day as the population gets larger and larger and more and more educated.
This is the sad realization of life - It is 100% random chaos. Nothing you do matters.
Good things happen to bad people, bad things happen to good people, sometimes you work your ass off and get nowhere, some people do almost nothing and have it all handed to them. Complete chaos, so you may as well just try and be as happy as you are able to in the here and now. The only thing you have any effect upon is what is happening right now, directly around you.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 06 January 2022, 16:24:30
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 06 January 2022, 20:00:45
These covid testing sites, So many people on that line, couldn't they infect one another ? They seem to all be pretty close, and some mouth breathers.Just today saw a line, probably 60 people, no social distancing at all... I mean, come on.
Saw a drive up test site on Tuesday, 1/2mile line of cars, Wed. was 1/8 mile but it was earlier in the day, it probably stretched to 1/2 mile by the time every was off work.
Post by: suicidal_orange on Fri, 07 January 2022, 10:26:46
When I went to get my booster the other day it was mostly staffed by young people wearing RAF (military airforce) uniforms, that was strange too.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 07 January 2022, 10:36:39
When I went for a PCR one of the guys directing cars was refusing to get tested. Maybe he always works outside, wearing a mask and not actually talking to people except through closed car windows (which is all I saw him do) so he's not really at risk but it did seem strange. Unless they're supposed to be tested every day and his nose got sore...
When I went to get my booster the other day it was mostly staffed by young people wearing RAF (military airforce) uniforms, that was strange too.
Coylent Green is made of covid victims...
/gassspp
Post by: fanpeople on Fri, 07 January 2022, 18:23:16
it was mostly staffed by young people wearing RAF (military airforce) uniforms, that was strange too.
That's for the free labour. Poor ****ers probably got recalled off leave. Different part of the world but Australia has developed a recent fetish for trying to make Defence do everything natural disaster/pandemic, pretty much everything that isn't their primary function. It's pissing the majority of Defence pers off also.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 07 January 2022, 18:51:50
it was mostly staffed by young people wearing RAF (military airforce) uniforms, that was strange too.
That's for the free labour. Poor ****ers probably got recalled off leave. Different part of the world but Australia has developed a recent fetish for trying to make Defence do everything natural disaster/pandemic, pretty much everything that isn't their primary function. It's pissing the majority of Defence pers off also.
Well, most of the time defense is paid to do nothing but sit on their butts..
Tp4 has observed that the soldier stuff is basically alot of bad command organization and waiting around doing nothing.
Not that Tp4 is making fun of soldiering, Tp4 has asthma, can't run long.
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Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 07 January 2022, 18:52:07
trying to make Defence do everything
I understand, but it is a good strong healthy pool of labor that is getting paid anyway. If the alternative is fighting a war, then this is more mundane but less hazardous.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 07 January 2022, 18:54:53
I understand, but it is a good strong healthy pool of labor that is getting paid anyway. If the alternative is fighting a war, then this is more mundane but less hazardous.
They should make the military all farmers when they're not active.
Why run with a backpack, when you could be plant thousands of trees instead.
Post by: fanpeople on Fri, 07 January 2022, 20:00:35
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Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 07 January 2022, 20:52:25
Not sure if they are the same one, or what location they are talking about, or wtf am I supposed to do with this info days later.
Thanks for the useless heads up that does nothing but stress me out further.
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 07 January 2022, 20:59:27
Hardly.
Well, most of the time defense is paid to do nothing but sit on their butts..
Tp4 has observed that the soldier stuff is basically alot of bad command organization and waiting around doing nothing.
Here's a normal day working F-16's (Chair Force!), keep in mind, F-16's are considered one of the easiest fighters to maintain and needs some of the lowest amount of repairs per flight hour.
Day shift (8 hours)
come in, get assigned to jet, spend ~2 hours prepping for flight,
spend an hour launching plane
grab a quick bite to eat (about 40 minutes, if the plane doesn't have a problem and come back)
catch plane spend 1-3 hours inspecting plane
spend an hour launching plane
Hand jet over to night shift, clean up, pack up tools/equipment
Night shift (min. 10 hours, often 11-12)
come in, get assigned to jet, do turnover, setup equipment/prepare to catch jet
catch jet, spend 3-6 hours inspecting jet.
grab a quick bite to eat (about 40 minutes, if the plane doesn't have a problem and come back)
spend the next 4-6 hours repairing broken aircraft so they can fly the next morning.
Clean up, pack up tools and equipment.
And that's just to start.
If it snows, expect an extra 2-3 hours de-icing planes
During summer you may have to come in over one weekend to open/close canopies (morning/night) so they don't overheat.
There is also the occasional weekend flights you have to man or you may have to help with airshow prep
There's also hangar cleanup, jets to lube and wash, paperwork, maintain fitness levels and more.
If deployed to the gulf it's 12 hour shifts 6 days a week, possibly while living in a tent.
During a training exercise, you work 12 hour shifts, around the clock often in full chem gear doing all the above, plus a 1 hour shift turnover, basically 14 hour days. Heat be damned.
If doing Red Flag in Las Vegas, day shift may be on 12 hour shifts and nights may end up doing 14-16 hour shifts to keep them flying.
Oh, and you may be away from home up to 250 days a year and every 3rd year you're going to spend an entire year in Korea (if married you cannot bring spouse).
Care to tell me when you expect us to do farming?
Don't forget that if these people screw up, someone dies, possibly many if it comes down in a populated area.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 08 January 2022, 10:37:51
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 08 January 2022, 10:39:48
Is this how doge covid becomes a thing ?
Thoughts ?
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Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 08 January 2022, 11:04:19
“Around 20% see long-term cognitive impairment,” Roine added, warning that the incidence of neurological diseases such as Alzheimer’s or Parkinson’s could increase sharply following a COVID-19 infection.
Post by: Leslieann on Sat, 08 January 2022, 11:26:59
kekeke.. well certainly not _the whole_ military.Other branches are similar.
While you think they spend all day marching around and doing menial things they spend an insane amount of time keeping skills sharp. Breach exercises, shooting exercises, equipment checks, etc.. all need to be done on a constant basis or you get rusty very, very fast but even common grunts have secondary jobs, it takes a lot to keep that many people trained/fed and equipment ready at all times. Who do you think sets up training exercises, feeds them, procures ammunition, arranges appointments, packs chutes, mans the armory, guards the gate, handles all of the paperwork, etc...
You never want your military idle.
Idle hands with access to military equipment/explosives is a surefire way for something stupid to happen. Interpret that however you want, you're probably correct.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 09 January 2022, 11:58:43
Thoughts ? Omicron ?
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 09 January 2022, 12:53:13
It might be the knee replacement surgery 2 weeks ago.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 09 January 2022, 15:10:36
My right leg is hurting like hell.
It might be the knee replacement surgery 2 weeks ago.
Could be omicron leg.
Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 09 January 2022, 15:44:06
Leg pain...Did you get a shot or booster or maybe catch Covid?
Thoughts ? Omicron ?
Some people experience random sharp pains.
Just be sitting there and a leg hurts or an arm hurts, 5 minutes later, gone. 30 minutes later something else just randomly hurts.
If you caught Covid it can do this for weeks/months/years.
Go get an N95 mask from Home Depot, like I recently did. It's like $4 for 3 of them and filters Covid.
I spent a little more and got exhaust valved ones, they build up less heat. I also carry a small bottle of sanitizer in my pocket.
Protect yourself because these people won't. Can't tell you how many times I see people out hacking coughing "sorry, I'm real sick", then why are you out and about without a mask you *sshole.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 09 January 2022, 16:04:18
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Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 10 January 2022, 16:33:52
The literature is pretty scary, Might be blood clots..Show Image(https://cutekawaiiresources.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/14.gif?w=560)
take asprin, dude. GH is only interest checks and TP posts at this point. I don't wanna lose the primary source of off-topic discussions
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 10 January 2022, 17:51:54
take asprin, dude. GH is only interest checks and TP posts at this point. I don't wanna lose the primary source of off-topic discussions
Second day, leg's ok-ish, ankle still feeling some soreness.
Sense of smell ok, oximeter 98%
Post by: fanpeople on Tue, 11 January 2022, 03:48:38
take asprin, dude. GH is only interest checks and TP posts at this point. I don't wanna lose the primary source of off-topic discussions
Second day, leg's ok-ish, ankle still feeling some soreness.
Sense of smell ok, oximeter 98%
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 11 January 2022, 11:34:03
Held breath for 1 minute, got it down to 96% , so seems working.
Post by: Signature on Tue, 11 January 2022, 11:56:16
Covid detection doge's
Is this how doge covid becomes a thing ?
Thoughts ?
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Post by: noisyturtle on Tue, 11 January 2022, 23:34:02
Covid detection doge's
Is this how doge covid becomes a thing ?
Thoughts ?
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aint nobody gonna sniff that anus!
Post by: Leslieann on Wed, 12 January 2022, 20:54:03
At the start of Covid it was "wear a mask to protect others", it made sense at the time.
Then it became wear a mask if you're not vaccinated or if you want, again, prior to Omicron this made some sense.
Today, anti-vaxxers never vaxxed, never wore a mask, most vaxxed are rarely wearing a mask. So if you/I/we aren't sick, why are we still wearing a mask that does almost nothing to protect the wearer?
It's long past the time to quit "wear(ing) a mask to protect others" and start wearing a mask to protect you. Stop using the the paper and cloth masks, get an N95 or N100. These people aren't going to protect you, YOU need to protect you.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 12 January 2022, 21:27:07
CDC predicting 62000 covid deaths in the next 4 weeks, 62000/ (4*7) =
2214 deaths PER DAY.
Happy joy joy...
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 12 January 2022, 21:42:42
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 13 January 2022, 08:28:05
N95s are pretty expensive, and "recently" sold out everywhere. "round here"Tons at local our Home Depot.
$9 for two with valve, $5 for 3 without.
Maybe chuck out towards the suburbs.
Note:
They will be in the paint section, and don't be surprised if they shove $25 variants in your face first if you look online. Keep scrolling though "in stock" results.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 13 January 2022, 11:52:53
So...
the main problem... among many...
Is that, ANY-ONE with enough free time + the desire to walk into a Covid infestation, can-not-possibly know anything worthwhile to teach other humans...
The result.... Idiocracy (2006 film) in real-time..
Post by: Lurch on Thu, 13 January 2022, 13:11:24
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 14 January 2022, 09:23:54
Texas schools ask parents to be substitute teachers as the actual teachers are sick and or dead.
Worse...
This can be used later to justify lowering teaching requirements as well as depress wages even further.
They should call in the National Guard, it's what it was created for, same as needing extra nurses and nursing assistants.
Of course that would mean Texas would have to pay for it. Silly me.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 15 January 2022, 08:24:28
Now I'm seeing beds being blocked by people who don't want to get vaccinated, don't want any COVID related treatments because they don't believe in them, but they still want to be in hospital. The beds are blocked by these people, who abuse us, and I'm having to watch people with heart attacks, strokes, surgical needs, cancers, motor vehicle accidents, burns, etc, all wait in accident and emergency for a bed. I've started to see the unnecessary deaths pile up, started to see people have bad outcomes that didn't need to be as bad if they had gotten onto the wards quicker.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 15 January 2022, 08:44:43
This stuff is pretty expensive to tax payers, they should include netflix with the tests, Then everyone would take them.
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 15 January 2022, 10:30:10
don't want to get vaccinated, don't want any COVID related treatments because they don't believe in them
Every time that I have had medical procedures done I have had to sign release forms that acknowledged that I understood the risks and gave the doctors the latitude to do what they needed to do.
Are Covid patients not required to consent to the primacy of usual and customary care?
Post by: Leslieann on Sat, 15 January 2022, 20:26:31
Doctor's quote: Both, HILARIOUS, and Shockingly sad..Sounds like time for combat triage.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/1uEw5z3.gif)Show Image(https://cutekawaiiresources.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/82.gif?w=560)
Now I'm seeing beds being blocked by people who don't want to get vaccinated, don't want any COVID related treatments because they don't believe in them, but they still want to be in hospital. The beds are blocked by these people, who abuse us, and I'm having to watch people with heart attacks, strokes, surgical needs, cancers, motor vehicle accidents, burns, etc, all wait in accident and emergency for a bed. I've started to see the unnecessary deaths pile up, started to see people have bad outcomes that didn't need to be as bad if they had gotten onto the wards quicker.
You want no help, we can't help you. BYE. Time to kick them out of the bed to help someone they can save.
By the way
I would imagine there's a case to be made for manslaughter or wrongful death against these people if someone dies as a result of this. Not sure why a hospital would want someone in their bed/care who is refusing care. It puts them in a weird position where they;re responsible if something happens, yet unable to prevent it.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 16 January 2022, 20:06:09
Benadryl + Milk = The CuRE
Has vaporized Robitussin been tested ? /conspiracy
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 16 January 2022, 20:36:07
The mob attacked hospitals, police departments, quarantine zones, killing hated functionaries, officers, landowners and gentry.
Cholera reached Britain in 1831 from Russia, 20,000 Aberdonians (two-thirds of the city's population) protested against the medical establishment, which they believed were using the epidemic as a body-snatching scheme similar to the Burke and Hare murders of 1828:
In 1893 fatal riots broke out in Hamburg, Germany during the fifth cholera pandemic, because the public objected to sanitary officers trying to enforce regulations for the prevention of spread of the disease. The crowd beat to death a sanitary officer and one of the policemen sent to protect them.
Thoughts ? Happening real time ? Solutions ?
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 16 January 2022, 21:16:13
Nurse:
Putting someone in a body bag is so ****ing unceremonious. I don’t care what you say about dying with dignity. Put someone in a ****ing body bag. They are just meat and flesh and weight. I open the window for him.
I came home in a mood. I swore I wouldn’t keep doing this. I make breakfast for my husband, silently willing him to work quicker. I shower, and when he’s gone, I take a long, hard pull from the bottle of tequila I have hidden in the freezer. I can’t keep doing this. I don’t cry.
Post by: chyros on Mon, 17 January 2022, 02:14:54
Latest antivax vogue,lolwut
Benadryl + Milk = The CuRE
Is this one of those American ivermectin hypes again? xD I should open a school of alchemy there!
oh man, that last line.. like out of a zombie movieWow, that's... pretty hefty stuff Oo .
Nurse:
Putting someone in a body bag is so ****ing unceremonious. I don’t care what you say about dying with dignity. Put someone in a ****ing body bag. They are just meat and flesh and weight. I open the window for him.
I came home in a mood. I swore I wouldn’t keep doing this. I make breakfast for my husband, silently willing him to work quicker. I shower, and when he’s gone, I take a long, hard pull from the bottle of tequila I have hidden in the freezer. I can’t keep doing this. I don’t cry.
Post by: noisyturtle on Mon, 17 January 2022, 02:21:41
Post by: Leslieann on Mon, 17 January 2022, 08:45:07
Lot of people at work complaining about COVID-like symptoms, but without any fever.Only something like 40% of people with Covid have a fever (I didn't).
There is no single universal symptom.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 17 January 2022, 09:02:42
Lot of people at work complaining about COVID-like symptoms, but without any fever.Only something like 40% of people with Covid have a fever (I didn't).
There is no single universal symptom.
HypochondriP4 had a super fever on shot 2 moderna. Gon' get booster soonish..
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 18 January 2022, 13:38:45
_____quote__
1980s, Kenneth Doka, a senior vice president of grief programs for the Hospice Foundation of America and the author of Grief Is a Journey and other books on dying, coined the phrase “disenfranchised grief.”
“We see disenfranchised grief when a living loved one doesn’t feel they can fully grieve because of the societal taboos around a loved one’s death,” Doka told me. “We see this when the victim is perceived to have had a role in their death, like we saw during the HIV/AIDS epidemic, but also with other things, like suicides, drug overdoses, and certain diseases.”
Lung cancer is a classic example—one study found that people were more likely to ascribe blame to lung-cancer patients who smoked than those who didn’t. “I think the same thing is happening with COVID,” Doka said. “But now, instead of asking if the person smoked, we’re asking if they were vaccinated.”
Post by: Leslieann on Tue, 18 January 2022, 16:32:49
We have no easy fix for ANY of those other things mentioned, regardless of contributing factors, if we did have a two injection cure for them people would be lined up around the block and yet that's exactly what we have for Covid and these people chose not to.
It is NOT the same.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 18 January 2022, 18:15:17
At the end point, any 1 person can not pay a price higher than "Death."
Sure he's incurred debt, thrown upon the "rest of society", but once an antivaxxer dies, it's an equitable exchange.
It may be prudent at that point to find it in "ourselves" to forgive and look towards solving the true cause of ignorance (socio-economic gap// hedonic hijacking), rather than ruminate on blame.
Society can abhor antivaxxers, but the bulk of their ignorance is the product of misappropriated time-wealth rather than true-evil.
No One Chooses to be a moron. Antivaxxers are born into a set of conditions and they don't cross the line intellectually.
Post by: noisyturtle on Tue, 18 January 2022, 18:35:40
Post by: chyros on Wed, 19 January 2022, 03:01:07
Honestly, I'm not sure I believe that.
No One Chooses to be a moron.
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Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 19 January 2022, 08:30:36
No One Chooses to be a moron.
Honestly, I'm not sure I believe that.
I somewhat agree, but it depends on what "choice" means.
There is always a default passive "choice" to do nothing, and many stupid (and maybe not so stupid) people spend their lives wallowing in ignorance because it seems so much easier.
I have known a number of "stupid" (in the academic sense) people who were, nevertheless, interested in learning what they could and doing the best they could with what they had to work with. They possessed the crucial and admirable trait of open-mindedness that made them strive to better themselves.
On the other hand, I would describe the behavior of the Radical Right as "aggressive ignorance" ....
Post by: Leslieann on Wed, 19 January 2022, 08:46:25
No One Chooses to be a moron. Antivaxxers are born into a set of conditions and they don't cross the line intellectually.Some people do.
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There's a dedicated segment who are "proud to be ignorant", seriously, they even make hats for them that proclaim this.
At first I thought this was about being too smart was like being too close to god, which is also thrown around among some people, but there is actually a bunch of people who are simply proud to be ignorant of things because it makes them too much like those "coastal elites".
And then there's Amish.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 19 January 2022, 10:22:51
Omicron is not that mild: 50,000 to 300,000 more US deaths projected by March
If the higher end of projections becomes reality, total U.S. deaths from COVID-19 could soar over 1 million by early spring.
Welp, that didn't take long.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 19 January 2022, 10:41:45
Covid positive patients calling in today (hospital) to see if the new Pfizer drug to treat Covid is available yet (but) won’t get a vaccine by the same company.
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Post by: chyros on Wed, 19 January 2022, 16:47:05
News Headline:Weird, over here cases are soaring but hospitalisations are dropping like a stone Oo .
Omicron is not that mild: 50,000 to 300,000 more US deaths projected by March
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Yes, that's exactly what I was aiming at. Choosing to be ignorant is not an excuse for being a moron.On the other hand, I would describe the behavior of the Radical Right as "aggressive ignorance" ....
No One Chooses to be a moron.
Honestly, I'm not sure I believe that.
Post by: noisyturtle on Wed, 19 January 2022, 18:54:59
Lot of people at work complaining about COVID-like symptoms, but without any fever.Only something like 40% of people with Covid have a fever (I didn't).
There is no single universal symptom.
Aaand my manager and assistant manager are both out sick with COVID
Aaand I received 2 more CDC texts saying people I work with have been diagnosed with COVID
Only a matter of time now...
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 19 January 2022, 19:09:03
Only a matter of time now...
Veggies + Xercise
Post by: chyros on Thu, 20 January 2022, 06:20:47
I eat no veggies and am precluded from doing exercise atm, still never got it! (yet)Only a matter of time now...
Veggies + Xercise
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 20 January 2022, 08:04:39
I eat no veggies
I find this very difficult to believe.
Post by: chyros on Thu, 20 January 2022, 12:33:52
Why? XD
I eat no veggies
I find this very difficult to believe.
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 20 January 2022, 19:12:45
Post by: chyros on Fri, 21 January 2022, 05:14:40
Perhaps if you exclude tomatoes, potatoes, wheat, rice, and barley?None of those are vegetables I think, but yeah.
Onions I do eat with some regularity though.
Post by: fanpeople on Fri, 21 January 2022, 07:25:13
Onions I do eat with some regularity though.
Onions are seasoning, not vegetable. My dog is a ****ing vegetable though.
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 21 January 2022, 14:10:32
Onions I do eat with some regularity though.
Onions are seasoning, not vegetable. My dog is a ****ing vegetable though.
I ate his little face, I ate his little nose, and I ate the way he's always barking!
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 21 January 2022, 14:25:34
Onions I do eat with some regularity though.
Onions are seasoning, not vegetable. My dog is a ****ing vegetable though.
I ate his little face, I ate his little nose, and I ate the way he's always barking!
NT= north kor spy / comfirmed.
Post by: fohat.digs on Fri, 21 January 2022, 14:51:11
TL;DR - Conclusions: Our study is the first to demonstrate the presence of the COVID-19 virus in the penis long after the initial infection in humans.
Our results also suggest that widespread endothelial cell dysfunction from COVID-19 infection can contribute to ED.
Future studies will evaluate novel molecular mechanisms of how COVID-19 infection leads to ED.
Post by: noisyturtle on Sat, 22 January 2022, 00:46:50
THE CDC WANTS YOU TO KNOW THERE ARE HOT SINGLES IN YOUR AREA WITH COVID-19. SO HOT THEY ARE BURNING UP!
Post by: suicidal_orange on Sat, 22 January 2022, 02:52:59
I keep getting these texts:Well it's a step up from e-mail spam - at least it's written in proper English. Though it could be read as a warning so maybe it's genuine?
THE CDC WANTS YOU TO KNOW THERE ARE HOT SINGLES IN YOUR AREA WITH COVID-19. SO HOT THEY ARE BURNING UP!
The problem is aside from a handful of people coming out of a coma recently I'm pretty sure everyone is aware of Covid by now and has decided what they are (not) going to do about it so it's surely too late.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33988001/ (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33988001/)Is this scary or coincidental? I don't understand the medical terms but I do note they had just two samples - that's never enough for a proper study. Covid symptoms are massively varied so just because two people who had Covid got ED doesn't mean 99.99% of people wont. Any Covid survivor non ED sufferers up for giving them a sample?
TL;DR - Conclusions: Our study is the first to demonstrate the presence of the COVID-19 virus in the penis long after the initial infection in humans.
Our results also suggest that widespread endothelial cell dysfunction from COVID-19 infection can contribute to ED.
Future studies will evaluate novel molecular mechanisms of how COVID-19 infection leads to ED.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 22 January 2022, 10:08:17
I keep getting these texts:
THE CDC WANTS YOU TO KNOW THERE ARE HOT SINGLES IN YOUR AREA WITH COVID-19. SO HOT THEY ARE BURNING UP!
Text back, Install heat-exchanger + thermal compound.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 22 January 2022, 10:10:42
Is this scary or coincidental? I don't understand the medical terms but I do note they had just two samples - that's never enough for a proper study. Covid symptoms are massively varied so just because two people who had Covid got ED doesn't mean 99.99% of people wont. Any Covid survivor non ED sufferers up for giving them a sample?
The vast majority of "Hughmahns" have early to serious stages of vascular disease due to consumption of a high fat-diet.
If 80% of americans are overweight and 40% are obese, and you threw darts, you can get weight to correlate with anything. This is used by both sides to prove and disprove (rationalize) whatever commercial advertising outcome they want.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 24 January 2022, 16:52:29
tttssssss... 3060Ti or 6600xt w/ FULL vaccination, Gaming monitor w/ Booster..
DONE... watch'um Roll in .... 200% vaxxed.. People lining up to be Triple/Quadruple Vaxxed.
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Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 25 January 2022, 11:34:52
“We know that omicron … can clearly evade preexisting immunity” from both vaccines and exposure to other variants of the virus, he said. “What we don’t know yet is whether son-of-omicron does that better or worse than omicron. So that’s an open question.”
On Monday, more than 695,000 new coronavirus infections were reported and testing shows that almost all are from omicron.
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 25 January 2022, 12:15:32
It is not in their interest to kill their victims, and being able to re-infect the same person repeatedly is a big plus.
Influenza, in that sense, represents a very successful virus in its gradual mutation and amazing endurance.
Post by: chyros on Tue, 25 January 2022, 17:52:23
Influenza, in that sense, represents a very successful virus in its gradual mutation and amazing endurance.Viruses aren't conscious or even really alive, tbh. They are simply mutation made flesh; an inevitable by-product of us being based on DNA. The Monkey Shakespeare analogy essentially predicts that near-limitless, imperfect copying of a list of commands (which is really what DNA is) will at some point end up with an erroneous command that reads "replicate me infinitely", and that's how viruses came to be. Their existence is pretty much guaranteed; compared to complicated organisms like us, the odds of them existing versus "humans" existing is virtually infinite. The fact that they mutate so rapidly is also why I've found viruses to be an excellent way to explain evolution to religious people, by the way.
Just some random musings on your thoughts. Of course your points are all completely true. Evolutionarily speaking Omikron is a much more succesful virus than Delta is, and should compete it out of the human reservoir. In essence, Omikron is saving us from Delta.
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 25 January 2022, 19:30:47
an erroneous command that reads "replicate me infinitely"
I would call that a "core" command.
https://www.pnas.org/content/118/25/e2024815118 (https://www.pnas.org/content/118/25/e2024815118)
TL;DR - "Although each infected person carries an estimated 1 billion to 100 billion virions during peak infection, their total mass is no more than 0.1 mg. This curiously implies that all SARS-CoV-2 virions currently in all human hosts have a mass of between 100 g and 10 kg."
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 26 January 2022, 09:21:46
Viruses aren't conscious or even really alive, tbh. They are simply mutation made flesh; an inevitable by-product of us being based on DNA.
Viruses are nano-machines.
The ones that hurt us, are Typically those that JUMP HOST from another animal, Zoonotic. They're most often harmless and perform life functions in the original Host, it's only when they jump, the inherent incompatibility turns deadly.
As for Conscious-ness, They Run on the ANIMAL consciousness, INCLUDING human consciousness. OUR DECISIONS greatly influence where these incompatible nano-machines end up.
IF NOT for Concentrated Animal Agriculture and Urbanization, we would've AVOIDED the vast majority of plagues.
Post by: chyros on Wed, 26 January 2022, 16:38:58
I think you really should look up what viruses are, how DNA works, and how cells affect their function :p .Viruses aren't conscious or even really alive, tbh. They are simply mutation made flesh; an inevitable by-product of us being based on DNA.
Viruses are nano-machines.
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As for Conscious-ness, They Run on the ANIMAL consciousness, INCLUDING human consciousness.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 26 January 2022, 16:45:36
I think you really should look up what viruses are, how DNA works, and how cells affect their function :p .
"" OUR DECISIONS greatly influence where these incompatible nano-machines end up. ""
I was clearly talking about the consequence of human agency, problems as actuated by our collective decisions.
But Even outside of that, we know that biochemical messengers impact gene expression, it's still possible that there is a direct consciousness link between the nano-machine's behavior and thought.
Post by: Leslieann on Wed, 26 January 2022, 17:03:27
One of my aunts has a boyfriend who "just has a mild cough, it's just a cold", well it turned out to be Covid... They just found out after she went around hugging and kissing the whole family at a family gathering earlier this week.
Stop assuming it's "just a cold" and even if it is just a cold, why do people think it's okay to just pass it on to everyone around you?
And to those who say "Well we're all gonna get it anyhow", yeah, because of people like you! Not everyone will, close but not everyone, but thanks for not even allowing me a fighting chance and making that decision for me.
Soo pissed right now.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 26 January 2022, 17:38:23
(https://i.imgur.com/uqAeXBu.gif)
Post by: Leslieann on Wed, 26 January 2022, 20:32:50
If you're sick, don't willingly pass it around, doesn't matter if it's Flu, a cold or Covid, no one wants to share your misery and unless.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 26 January 2022, 21:12:30
Others at the gathering (which was not large) went and got tested, all were negative so I should be fine.
If you're sick, don't willingly pass it around, doesn't matter if it's Flu, a cold or Covid, no one wants to share your misery and unless.
This is going to create a further Intimacy Gap in American Culture.
No Touching, Please.. Back, get back, No touching, hey, you , back.... BACK....
Post by: Leslieann on Wed, 26 January 2022, 23:03:19
No Touching, Please.. Back, get back, No touching, hey, you , back.... BACK....
And no newpapers to swat them with!
Post by: chyros on Thu, 27 January 2022, 03:22:43
You keep calling them nano-machines but they're NOTHING like that, and they have no behaviour or thought. That's my whole point. The way they work is based on nothing but inevitability.I think you really should look up what viruses are, how DNA works, and how cells affect their function :p .
"" OUR DECISIONS greatly influence where these incompatible nano-machines end up. ""
I was clearly talking about the consequence of human agency, problems as actuated by our collective decisions.
But Even outside of that, we know that biochemical messengers impact gene expression, it's still possible that there is a direct consciousness link between the nano-machine's behavior and thought.
Americans are already ultra non-touchy xD . Could it get any worse? :pOthers at the gathering (which was not large) went and got tested, all were negative so I should be fine.
If you're sick, don't willingly pass it around, doesn't matter if it's Flu, a cold or Covid, no one wants to share your misery and unless.
This is going to create a further Intimacy Gap in American Culture.
No Touching, Please.. Back, get back, No touching, hey, you , back.... BACK....
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 27 January 2022, 15:33:55
You keep calling them nano-machines but they're NOTHING like that, and they have no behaviour or thought. That's my whole point. The way they work is based on nothing but inevitability.
I'm not arguing that they're capable of independent thought, only that there is extremely intimate "interlink" between their whereabout and behavior WITH the collective animal consciousness.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 27 January 2022, 16:58:14
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Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 29 January 2022, 09:22:06
This thread on reddit, OMG... Read the Top Comment ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/sezbww/its_been_2_years_who_here_doesnt_know_anyone_who/
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 29 January 2022, 09:52:22
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 29 January 2022, 10:34:07
its_been_2_years_who_here_doesnt_know_anyone_who
followed by top comment written by ANTIVAXXERS
My dad almost died from cancer because covid kept canceling his treatments
then
This is the real health crisis
then
This hits home hard for me. My father in law kept getting “elective” checkups pushed back for 8 MONTHS due to local hospital being “overwhelmed” by COVID. Meanwhile he proceeded to go from a solidly built 230 to a frail 150. Turns out he has stomach cancer. The only reason he was seen was because we just said **** it and took him to the ER.
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 29 January 2022, 11:11:34
comment written by ANTIVAXXERS
****posting by anti-vaxxers ?
Front Page News !
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 29 January 2022, 11:16:51
comment written by ANTIVAXXERS
****posting by anti-vaxxers ?
Front Page News !
don't believe in covid, yet blame covid for their own canceled cancer appointments.
Post by: treeleaf64 on Sat, 29 January 2022, 22:54:21
Neil Young/ Joni Mitchell are removing their music from Spotify because of confusing anti-vaccination statements on a certain podcast
time to torrent everything ! no more streaming ! : )
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 30 January 2022, 08:41:13
confusing anti-vaccination statements
Young and Mitchell have always been eloquent artists of great integrity. (is it coincidence that both were born Canadian?)
The reason that idiocy and terrorism can gain and maintain momentum is that the general public shrugs its collective shoulder and does nothing to repudiate it.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 30 January 2022, 09:09:26
Xenon gas MRI
Long Covid patients have poor lung function despite never having required Hospital care.
Large dark areas on the right represents extremely poor gas transfer capability of the lungs, very poor function = breathlessness (a hallmark of Long Covid).
Good bye sports career, basically turning people into late stage smokers even if they've never smoked. <chronic low oxygen> also raises the risk of certain cancer types.
Tp4 Used to do 30 pull ups. Can only do ~10 now. (https://cutekawaiiresources.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/14.gif?w=560)
Post by: kurplop on Sun, 30 January 2022, 10:05:46
Not keeping up with news lately,
Neil Young/ Joni Mitchell are removing their music from Spotify because of confusing anti-vaccination statements on a certain podcast
time to torrent everything ! no more streaming ! : )
It seems that Joni Mitchell is no longer looking at things from Both Sides Now.
Post by: chyros on Sun, 30 January 2022, 17:02:47
(Attachment Link)THIRTY PULL UPS?! Didn't know TP was ripped Oo .
Xenon gas MRI
Long Covid patients have poor lung function despite never having required Hospital care.
Large dark areas on the right represents extremely poor gas transfer capability of the lungs, very poor function = breathlessness (a hallmark of Long Covid).
Good bye sports career, basically turning people into late stage smokers even if they've never smoked. <chronic low oxygen> also raises the risk of certain cancer types.
Tp4 Used to do 30 pull ups. Can only do ~10 now.Show Image(https://cutekawaiiresources.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/14.gif?w=560)
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 30 January 2022, 18:17:32
THIRTY PULL UPS?! Didn't know TP was ripped Oo .
Back in the day...
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Post by: kurplop on Sun, 30 January 2022, 19:02:42
THIRTY PULL UPS?! Didn't know TP was ripped Oo .
Back in the day...Show Image(https://cutekawaiiresources.files.wordpress.com/2018/07/43.gif?w=560)
Must have been before TP went vegan.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 30 January 2022, 20:32:40
Must have been before TP went vegan.
That does it...... Starting Tomorrow, Maximum effort.... (https://i.imgur.com/UqxGM5b.gif)
Post by: noisyturtle on Sun, 30 January 2022, 20:36:55
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 30 January 2022, 21:26:59
This dumbass who is refusing a heart transplant because he doesn't want to get vaxxed, quite literally choosing to die on that hill.
I thought he died, when was this ?
Post by: chyros on Mon, 31 January 2022, 02:41:15
This dumbass who is refusing a heart transplant because he doesn't want to get vaxxed, quite literally choosing to die on that hill.I think that's a good thing. Wouldn't it be selfish to refuse to get vaxxed but then take up a perfectly good heart instead of someone who might actually deserve it? I think if you're gonna go anti-vaxx, you should take responsibility for it, and he did.
Post by: noisyturtle on Mon, 31 January 2022, 03:11:08
This dumbass who is refusing a heart transplant because he doesn't want to get vaxxed, quite literally choosing to die on that hill.
I thought he died, when was this ?
Just a few days ago, in Boston.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 31 January 2022, 10:38:54
I think that's a good thing. Wouldn't it be selfish to refuse to get vaxxed but then take up a perfectly good heart instead of someone who might actually deserve it? I think if you're gonna go anti-vaxx, you should take responsibility for it, and he did.
I read that they don't allow antivaxxers to get transplants because the survival rate is far too low if the immune system isn't buffered first.
Major surgery has the same net effect of being temporarily extremely immuno-compromised.
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 01 February 2022, 19:55:18
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 01 February 2022, 22:31:14
A couple of months old, but still valid.
7.81 jigawattz..
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 08 February 2022, 13:01:37
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 11 February 2022, 09:02:47
guess that's OK for gekha, since assume fellow computer compatriots adhors xercise.
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Post by: suicidal_orange on Fri, 11 February 2022, 09:12:03
So..... doctors are saying, if you get covid, heart health goes pfffffttt.. <based on veterans study>So even though when people catch the same variant they react differently if at all this study of mainly men (assuming veterans means ex-military) claims to have found a universal effect? As usual, I'm sceptical.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 11 February 2022, 10:10:30
So..... doctors are saying, if you get covid, heart health goes pfffffttt.. <based on veterans study>So even though when people catch the same variant they react differently if at all this study of mainly men (assuming veterans means ex-military) claims to have found a universal effect? As usual, I'm sceptical.
_________The researchers compared more than 150,000 veterans who survived for at least 30 days after contracting COVID-19 with two groups of uninfected people: a group of more than five million people who used the VA medical system during the pandemic, and a similarly sized group that used the system in 2017, before SARS-CoV-2 was circulating._____
Stroke risk +52%
Heart failure risk +72%
_____The risk was elevated even for those who were under 65 years of age and lacked risk factors, such as obesity or diabetes.____
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 11 February 2022, 15:37:18
Stroke risk +52%
Heart failure risk +72%
Percentages only work when used in relation to a physical number.
Also, while some could be linked to Covid directly, how much was linked to people not going and doing their normal activities in fear of Covid?
Correlation is not always causation.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 11 February 2022, 15:41:59
Stroke risk +52%
Heart failure risk +72%
Percentages only work when used in relation to a physical number.
Also, while some could be linked to Covid directly, how much was linked to people not going and doing their normal activities in fear of Covid?
Correlation is not always causation.
Measurable at this scale, something really terrible has happened, and people's hearts are blowing up.
Post by: Leslieann on Fri, 11 February 2022, 15:58:35
It still means nothing without a number to base it on, especially in this since it's a percentage, or a percentage.
If 1in 100,000 people have a problem and that percentage doubles, it's significant, but it's still only 2 in 100,000 people. Your odds of getting it are still pretty slim despite doubling.
Now if we're talking 1in 1500 people and it doubled, then yes, your odds got significantly worse.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 11 February 2022, 16:58:40
Measurable smeasurable, computers and databases allow us to measure things far easier than we used to.
It still means nothing without a number to base it on, especially in this since it's a percentage, or a percentage.
If 1in 100,000 people have a problem and that percentage doubles, it's significant, but it's still only 2 in 100,000 people. Your odds of getting it are still pretty slim despite doubling.
Now if we're talking 1in 1500 people and it doubled, then yes, your odds got significantly worse.
For heart failure, it's +11.61 /1000 excess.
Those percentages are hazard ratios.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 12 February 2022, 11:10:04
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 12 February 2022, 19:36:25
it doesn't exist, therefore no
It is difficult for emotion and logic to co-exist.
The Radical Right runs almost exclusively on emotion.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 15 February 2022, 11:02:23
The reality though is, most cancers have very poor treatment outcomes anyway.
No one wants to eat veggies to prevent cancer, they'd too busy getting cancer bacon and then paying for treatment (that don't work all that well).
Capitalism supports this model of behavior, and so here we are.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 15 February 2022, 14:22:27
36 NYPD personnel, 25 Fire Department workers and 914 Department of Education staffers.
say wha..... I thought the teachers wanted vaccines.
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 15 February 2022, 14:47:27
I thought the teachers wanted vaccines.
Not the ones who are comfortable with 30 kids breathing, coughing, and sneezing in their direction in a closed room for 8 hours a day 5 days a week.
Post by: Leslieann on Tue, 15 February 2022, 19:42:50
No one wants to eat veggies to prevent cancer, they'd too busy getting cancer bacon and then paying for treatment (that don't work all that well).
Go price out how much it costs to meet your daily calorie intake with veggies vs eating garbage... It's about 2-3x as much, if not more.
It's not about want so much as ability, when you struggle to get enough to eat today you don't worry about cancer tomorrow. That's a luxury.
Contrary to how strong our economy is, most in the U.S are struggling just to make ends meet.
If our economy was as good as claimed we wouldn't have so many homeless. If unemployment is so low and businesses are all looking for help why is there a different homeless person at every off ramp looking for help? Either our metrics are very wrong or something is very wrong with our economy, or both.
Post by: treeleaf64 on Tue, 15 February 2022, 19:55:05
I thought the teachers wanted vaccines.
Not the ones who are comfortable with 30 kids breathing, coughing, and sneezing in their direction in a closed room for 8 hours a day 5 days a week.
What's more on education, I often see Purdue students wearing their mask improperly (only over mouth) or not wearing them at all in large gathering spaces like lecture halls and classrooms. Part of the reason why I stopped going to lecture is I was afraid of having people so close to me.
I have 2 vaccinations and a booster shot, yet I'm still afraid.
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 15 February 2022, 20:47:27
how strong our economy is, most in the U.S are struggling just to make ends meet.
something is very wrong with our economy
A handful of the most wealthy make millions at the bottom average up.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 16 February 2022, 08:05:26
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 16 February 2022, 09:51:02
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 16 February 2022, 09:53:31
Latest CDC data shows, Antivaxxers = 97x more likely to die from covid, VS, boosted Adults.
Post-truth world, sir. You can link 30 independent studies that show the vaccine is 100% effective and 100% safe and you won't change anyone's mind.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 16 February 2022, 10:26:03
https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/article-696452 (https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/article-696452)
Tp4 has long covid... been having back of throat scratchiness for months.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 16 February 2022, 17:53:47
That's honestly quite evil, but the result is Fewer Humans, so perhaps it's a net gain for the Earth-ecosystem ?
Tp4 is only sad because he can not buyz 3080.
Post by: Leslieann on Wed, 16 February 2022, 20:28:25
Now we're reading all these reports of Major-antivaxxers who are secretly vaxxed but continue to perpetuate the rhetoric for Popularity points.
Now?
That was happening right at the start.
Pretty much all the rich, powerful and elite politicians, pundits and businessmen all ran out and got it, jumping the lines.
It was only the middle rung hangers on who didn't.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 19 February 2022, 08:33:35
Post by: suicidal_orange on Sat, 19 February 2022, 11:28:21
Now that they've "proven" ivermectin doesn't workSerious scientists found infected people willing to risk dying just so they could laugh at anti-vaxers? I guess if they were asymptomatic they didn't have much to lose but they still had to take horse medicine so I wouldn't have been keen.
Post by: chyros on Sat, 19 February 2022, 15:39:15
Now that they've "proven" ivermectin doesn't work.... /suspenseful of what's next.Wait, they've only just now proven that? :))
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 19 February 2022, 16:00:46
After dissolving concepts like consensus and "the social contract" then uniformed people feel free to run amok.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 21 February 2022, 08:54:51
Varying doses of SARS-CoV-2, the virus responsible for COVID-19, were intranasally delivered to hamsters—only some of which were vaccinated
What researchers found was an “acute decrease” in sperm count and testosterone levels four to seven days post-infection in unvaccinated hamsters. Meanwhile, “damage” to the testicular tissue—including inflammation, degeneration, and necrosis—was observed as early as a week after infection and persisted in the sample collected on Day 120.
Testicular size and weight were reduced after infection. Hamsters that were vaccinated against the virus did not exhibit testicular damage.
https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciac142/6530400?searchresult=1&login=false
Post by: treeleaf64 on Mon, 21 February 2022, 10:03:09
Concepts like "proven" are very slippery to people who don't take science seriously.
After dissolving concepts like consensus and "the social contract" then uniformed people feel free to run amok.
My theory
Antivax mindset grew up with nobody to trust or a lack of government trust
Does not understand social contract with government
It's real hard to transfer your belief into the government after a lifetime of reinforced distrust
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 21 February 2022, 10:11:21
My theory
Antivax mindset grew up with nobody to trust or a lack of government trust
Does not understand social contract with government
It's real hard to transfer your belief into the government after a lifetime of reinforced distrust
DISTRUST, is perfectly normal, and the correct attitude, as the govern vs governed MUST be adversaries, that's the only way this system works..
Prove / Disprove, that's the computational system.
Our framework IS WORKING as intended, the Death Count MAGNIFIED by modern technology is not something anyone would be used to witnessing in real time.
The primary inefficiency given our tech is the HUMAN Capitalists. Machine capitalism is fine..
Think about it another way, WE KNOW how to fix heart disease and diabetes, but because 70% of hospital dollars are spent on such things, Capitalist health (healthcare HUMAN CEOS) have no motivation to apply that knowledge.
The standard practice for diabetes is a LIFETIME regime of pills. That's it. Meanwhile, they're curing (Type 2) and significantly curtailing (Type 1) in plant based lifestyle modification programs, WHICH have only recently gained insurance billing/ coverage. Yet we knew how to do this going back 30-50 years.
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 21 February 2022, 10:27:17
your belief into the government after a lifetime of reinforced distrust
"Reinforced" being the key concept. Acceptance of the social contract was near-universal in this country for nearly 2 centuries (the cessation of the Confederacy being the partial exception), but today (ie in my lifetime) it has been eroded by orders of magnitude due to the relentless assault of the Radical Right.
The first great hit landed was post-Vietnam/Watergate, the second when Reagan eviscerated the FCC, and then the coup de grace came with the universal spread of click-bait-driven profits on the interwebs.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 21 February 2022, 10:49:05
"Reinforced" being the key concept. Acceptance of the social contract was near-universal in this country for nearly 2 centuries (the cessation of the Confederacy being the partial exception), but today (ie in my lifetime) it has been eroded by orders of magnitude due to the relentless assault of the Radical Right.
The first great hit landed was post-Vietnam/Watergate, the second when Reagan eviscerated the FCC, and then the coup de grace came with the universal spread of click-bait-driven profits on the interwebs.
Compartmentalizing the problems into Right vs Left is not an accurate enough model.
The Humans are the problem. We have these dynastic houses at the top battling using the lives of the flock.
These humans, LEFT OR RIGHT, make highly inefficient myopic decisions. We are at the "SCALE" where our problems exceed the processing capacity of this type of leadership.
We Must divert large decisions to AI. Humans, Left or Right, they can not overcome their own Ego. It's not the concept of self-preservation that's the problem, Humans simply think too small given their minuscule local storage capacity.
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 21 February 2022, 11:53:16
Compartmentalizing the problems into Right vs Left is not an accurate
Until 45 years ago that was true, the country as a whole was united in its general focus.
Since the mid-late-1970s, America-haters have become hardened in their efforts to divide us.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 21 February 2022, 14:48:47
Compartmentalizing the problems into Right vs Left is not an accurate
Until 45 years ago that was true, the country as a whole was united in its general focus.
Since the mid-late-1970s, America-haters have become hardened in their efforts to divide us.
Fohat, like a republican you are too attached to the concept of NATIONS (America).
The divide is not between nations, ONLY between the Rulers and the Pleb.
WE are the Pleb. Rulers are forever always counter to OUR interest.
The enemy is not russians, it's ALL THOSE who oppress us.
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 21 February 2022, 20:38:15
divide us
oppress us
Post by: noisyturtle on Mon, 21 February 2022, 20:51:06
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 21 February 2022, 21:22:16
divide us
oppress us
INCLUDING your democrat oppressors.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 22 February 2022, 11:09:29
It's almost like god's actively killing them (assuming he existed ? )
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 12 March 2022, 14:23:50
a 9.11 ( ~2400 peeps_blearrrghh..) every 2 days, Keep those masks on.
Recent exerpt:
ICU RN here. Today I watched a covid denier earn his award while his covid denying family cried. "You have your kids to fight for" "you can beat this" the ****??? No, you can't come back from 4 pressors, CRRT, paralyzed and proned. Can't even pull off a millileter with CRRT because your BP is incompatible with life. Obviously your kids weren't enough incentive to do the bare minimum to not get infected. So congratulations sir, you are the ultimate winner and now your kids don't have a dad. You sure showed those dems! Aparrently the flu is "that bad".
Post by: Shunx on Sat, 12 March 2022, 17:26:08
There are a small number of vaccinated people who do still get infected, but their symptoms are almost always mild and very rarely do they end up in hospital (or worse).
Don't repeat what media tells, you sounds like fart. You had ******* on your face. Literally.
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 12 March 2022, 17:55:59
Don't repeat what media tells, you sounds like fart. You had ******* on your face. Literally.
Good to know.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 04 April 2022, 21:48:23
I mean, dis'guy, wonder if he's impervious to covid.. Kekeke
The vax itself is clearly very safe... no ?
(https://i.imgur.com/uqAeXBu.gif)
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 04 April 2022, 21:53:46
shortness of breath
feeling tired or exhausted
aching body
headache
sore throat
blocked or runny nose
loss of appetite
diarrhea
feeling sick or being sick
Br0, Tp4 gets at least 4-5 of these every day....... just from eating ramen.
Post by: chyros on Tue, 05 April 2022, 03:18:20
9 new symptoms added to covid list:Hmm, I was under the impression that the shortness of breath thing is a lot less prevalent in Omikron patients than it had been in previous forms.
shortness of breath
feeling tired or exhausted
aching body
headache
sore throat
blocked or runny nose
loss of appetite
diarrhea
feeling sick or being sick
Br0, Tp4 gets at least 4-5 of these every day....... just from eating ramen.
Post by: robertopupka on Tue, 05 April 2022, 15:18:32
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Post by: chyros on Tue, 05 April 2022, 17:04:21
i don't want to seem edgy but i honestly couldn't care less, if they choose not to get vaccinated and come up with their BS ideas on why they are correct (which they aren't) let them get covid.I would agree with you if it was just themselves they'd put at risk, but it isn't - antivaxxers are a public health hazard. Their choices reach far beyond just themselves. This issue is something society is really going to have to look at in the near future.
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 05 April 2022, 17:51:50
This issue is something society is really going to have to look at in the near future.
Countries like yours can probably accomplish it with reason and logic.
The US has always had an obstreperous sub-population that constantly searches out motivations for getting triggered, and in recent years it has grown exponentially by becoming "political" rather than moral or social. Worse, a sizable sub-group of them have indulged themselves in self-gratification by accumulating massive collections of military equipment - specifically for use in their own country against their own fellow citizens!
The foundation stone of the social contract is the common good, but these malcontents luxuriate in a hatred that goes beyond mere selfishness to actually fabricating justifications for damaging or killing other humans - sometimes merely for their beliefs or opinions.
Post by: chyros on Sat, 09 April 2022, 14:54:33
At first, being a liberal, I was of the opinion that people shouldn't HAVE to get vaccinated, but that they'd have to lose serious amounts of personal freedoms to limit the risk they post. "Put your money where your mouth is," basically. However, the more I've thought about it, the more I've come to the conclusion that this doesn't work, not really. You're actually curtailing OTHER people's freedoms that way, just for the sake of some self-centred illiterates. Thus the more logical thing, and the plan that leads to more freedom overall (including people who don't actually want to vaccinate) is to make vaccination mandatory.
This issue is something society is really going to have to look at in the near future.
Countries like yours can probably accomplish it with reason and logic.
The US has always had an obstreperous sub-population that constantly searches out motivations for getting triggered, and in recent years it has grown exponentially by becoming "political" rather than moral or social. Worse, a sizable sub-group of them have indulged themselves in self-gratification by accumulating massive collections of military equipment - specifically for use in their own country against their own fellow citizens!
The foundation stone of the social contract is the common good, but these malcontents luxuriate in a hatred that goes beyond mere selfishness to actually fabricating justifications for damaging or killing other humans - sometimes merely for their beliefs or opinions.
Retraction of health care benefits of non-vaxxers for covid-related illnesses doesn't work either, I think. That's just going to lead to more deaths and poverty. In a righteous first-world country, you can't as a society plan to bankrupt a group of people, it's just not done.
That said, the new Covid wave is now REALLY going berserk in China. https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1512680426015449091 Seems like total, hard lockdowns weren't the way to go after all :/ .
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 09 April 2022, 15:07:59
What may be happening is the great effectiveness of early lockdown leading to a sense of complacency. Which lead to less urgency to "get vaccinated" (in certain populations) even though on average vaccination rate is high.
This new variant is special though, BA.2, so even with existing vax, they face many breakthroughs.
In the West we're already jaded by death. roughly 1-3 million Americans died. and people think, well there are lots of millionaires in the world, that must not be so many. That's their only contact with the quantity million.
Given how terrible most 'murican's number sense is, this passive ignorance is what arrested attitude for action.
Relative to Covid, China has done a better job, and they're STILL doing a better job.
Post by: ItIsWritten on Sat, 09 April 2022, 17:54:17
Relative to Covid, China has done a better job, and they're STILL doing a better job.
Have they though? You can't trust the numbers coming out from China.
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Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 09 April 2022, 18:13:18
Have they though? You can't trust the numbers coming out from China.
Yes you can trust their numbers, their production quotas have been extremely steady, as audited by western corporations buying there, if there was wide_spread public deaths + the emotional turmoil in such a dense population, it would've been impossible.
I'm not saying Countries don't manipulate information, they do. Anything on the R|_| inv451on, Highly pr0p0gand1zed.
But specific to Covid, there is 100% confidence in China's handling.
Post by: ItIsWritten on Sat, 09 April 2022, 18:19:53
https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgecalhoun/2022/01/25/chinas-covid-data-gaps-and-inaccuracies-new-reports-from-science-and-nature/?sh=4d7c181b2cef
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Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 09 April 2022, 18:49:18
I'm not saying Countries don't manipulate information, they do.
But specific to Covid, there is 100% confidence in China's handling.
In the US Covid deaths are about 1/5 of 1% of the population, and a large portion of our citizenry actively flaunts precautions.
Even if China had a significantly greater death rate, it would still be very easy for them to hide since they are already so insular.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 09 April 2022, 19:49:57
I'm not saying Countries don't manipulate information, they do.
But specific to Covid, there is 100% confidence in China's handling.
In the US Covid deaths are about 1/5 of 1% of the population, and a large portion of our citizenry actively flaunts precautions.
Even if China had a significantly greater death rate, it would still be very easy for them to hide since they are already so insular.
That is not accurate, China's density is EXTREME.
It'd be like trying to hide covid deaths in New York city, Except in China, that's Everywhere, and most places are actually even MORE population dense. Everyone lives neck to neck.
Even in public spaces, it's just swaths of people. These places remained FULL all throughout the pandemic in the USA. That alone is indication that their Control systems worked.
China also went through its workers migration cycle twice, this is a highly dense and high dispersal event. IF there was covid in this mix, again, production quotas couldn't possibly be as it was, and you simply wouldn't be able to stop the transmission given that everyone is using trains/ bus, which are dense transits..
Most people use public transit for the migration, almost none by personal vehicle.
I'm not arguing that "THEY COULDn't or Wouldn't" hide/ bend truths. But it's clear that they did not regarding "Covid".
R|_| 1n\/as10n, another thing entirely. Over there it's Fox news all day everyday.
Post by: ItIsWritten on Sun, 10 April 2022, 18:06:42
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Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 10 April 2022, 20:42:36
That is not accurate, China's density is EXTREME.
Only in the cities.
Outside urban centers it's quiet the opposite.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 10 April 2022, 21:00:13
That is not accurate, China's density is EXTREME.
Only in the cities.
Outside urban centers it's quiet the opposite.
It's 1.5 billion people, 65% urban. the 35% of rural, many "migrate" for work so it may as well be 75-90% urban at some points.
/Density
Post by: noisyturtle on Sun, 10 April 2022, 23:35:40
Really super ****ing glad I masked up this week.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 11 April 2022, 08:10:52
We went over a month with zero CDC texts about infections reported at work, then 2 in 72 hours and today 14 people called out.
Really super ****ing glad I masked up this week.
__Masks4ever.
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Post by: Altis on Sat, 16 April 2022, 19:22:09
i don't want to seem edgy but i honestly couldn't care less, if they choose not to get vaccinated and come up with their BS ideas on why they are correct (which they aren't) let them get covid.I would agree with you if it was just themselves they'd put at risk, but it isn't - antivaxxers are a public health hazard. Their choices reach far beyond just themselves. This issue is something society is really going to have to look at in the near future.
How can the fully vaccinated/boosted with 2, 3, 4 or more shots be put at risk by people who haven't taken it? Do they protect you or not? :p
The current vaccine does about nothing against catching and spreading the current strains of the virus. Here in Ontario, the official data (https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/case-numbers-and-spread (https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/case-numbers-and-spread)) shows that the boosted twice the case rate as the "not fully vaccinated":
(https://i.ibb.co/Pgq6v5H/image.png) (https://ibb.co/SBF34KC)
For my age group (18-39), it's 3x more cases /100k for the boosted vs "not fully vaccinated"
(https://i.ibb.co/fFK1GF5/image.png) (https://ibb.co/RbMv4bm)
Meanwhile, Quebec (population about 8.5M, second to Ontario at 14.5M) has been the province with by far the fastest and highest vaccine and booster uptake, as well as the most strict and long-lasting mandates, lockdowns, and restrictions (including nightly curfews and "illegal" hockey games), and has done by far the worst in the country from day one. Even now they're the only province with a mask mandate in place and they're still doing the worst (https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html?stat=num&measure=deaths&map=pt#a5 (https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html?stat=num&measure=deaths&map=pt#a5):
(https://i.ibb.co/SvFfmRz/image.png) (https://ibb.co/s38W1yZ)
The only reason for the vaccine at this point is an approximately halving of the risk of a severe outcome, which is great if you're high risk and go from 10% to 5%... but if you're healthy under 30 and go from 0.006 to 0.003%?
Hospitalization rates for Ontario (population is about 14.5M and we're in our "6th wave"):
(https://i.ibb.co/0KZ5ntr/image.png) (https://imgbb.com/)
But of course, that's "with COVID" rather than due to, so that breakdown is required (good that they started including these figures), since only about half of the hospitalizations and 2/3 the ICU are actually attributed to COVID rather than just incidental positive tests:
(https://i.ibb.co/tXJ0RZf/image.png) (https://imgbb.com/)
At first, being a liberal, I was of the opinion that people shouldn't HAVE to get vaccinated, but that they'd have to lose serious amounts of personal freedoms to limit the risk they post. "Put your money where your mouth is," basically. However, the more I've thought about it, the more I've come to the conclusion that this doesn't work, not really. You're actually curtailing OTHER people's freedoms that way, just for the sake of some self-centred illiterates. Thus the more logical thing, and the plan that leads to more freedom overall (including people who don't actually want to vaccinate) is to make vaccination mandatory. ...
I have no idea how someone can consider themselves to be of 'liberal' beliefs as they contemplate compulsory medical procedures on their fellow citizen -- especially ones this ineffective at stopping spread, with no long-term data, and for people who have an extremely low risk profile for the virus in the first place.
I also urge very strong caution with rhetoric on labelling others a "public health hazard", or asking if they "should be tolerated" (as our PM did). This kind of language has been used many times in the past as unfounded basis to commit atrocities on others.
From Slate: https://slate.com/technology/2014/08/typhus-and-lice-in-jewish-ghettos-nazi-doctors-perverse-groupthink.html (https://slate.com/technology/2014/08/typhus-and-lice-in-jewish-ghettos-nazi-doctors-perverse-groupthink.html)
From the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum: https://perspectives.ushmm.org/item/propaganda-poster-jews-are-lice-they-cause-typhus (https://perspectives.ushmm.org/item/propaganda-poster-jews-are-lice-they-cause-typhus)
Many, if not most, of the worst evil atrocities have been done in someone's delusional idea of a 'greater good'.
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 16 April 2022, 21:56:04
They exist without context unless there are "baselines" to evaluate them from. Without noting the cumulative percentages of the entire population's vaccination status, these random numbers plucked out of context are meaningless.
For example, if they came from an overall population that was almost completely vaccinated and boosted, they would be quite reassuring, but from a population with very little vaccination the same charts would be frightening.
Post by: Altis on Sat, 16 April 2022, 23:01:51
How have posted a large mass of charts and numbers from a vacuum.
They exist without context unless there are "baselines" to evaluate them from. Without noting the cumulative percentages of the entire population's vaccination status, these random numbers plucked out of context are meaningless.
For example, if they came from an overall population that was almost completely vaccinated and boosted, they would be quite reassuring, but from a population with very little vaccination the same charts would be frightening.
Which is why I gave explanation for context and the full links for sources (and all using official data from the Canadian federal and provincial governments).
For the case rate, the vaccination rate is built into the data -- see the highlighted bit in the first chart explaining that the case rate is per 100k of each given vaccination status.
However, this means that according to this official data, the boosted are testing positive at by far the highest rate, followed by two-dose, then "not fully vaccinated" (includes one-dose, < 14 days post-second dose, and no vaccination).
For hospitalizations, it is good to observe the vaccination rate, which can be found at the same source. Here it is for Ontario:
(https://i.ibb.co/zNxYwK9/image.png) (https://ibb.co/1bQ5xHy)
It's about 87% for all ages 5+ (since < 5 are ineligible, who make up 4.9% of the population), so about 82-83% overall population are "fully vaccinated" (two shots). Thus, the "not fully vaccinated" are overrepresented by a factor of about 2 (16% of the population is about 32% of ICU and 21% of non-ICU hospitalizations.
What's of interest is that the overwhelming majority of the deaths are in the 70+ age demographic (82%) which are nearly 100% fully vaccinated and 88% boosted. Age and age-related comorbidities are extremely related to severe outcomes and deaths.
Since the severe outcome rate is so disproportionately the older demographic and based around known risk factors, it does distort the data. The people most at risk are very clearly older people with medical issues that prevent them from being vaccinated at all -- accounts for the most deaths despite being a very small portion of the population. Hence, they drive up the "unvaccinated deaths" category, despite there being almost none in the sub 40 or 50 year old demographic.
The main point of my post is that it's incredibly inaccurate to make any kind of claim that people who have not taken this particular vaccine are putting anyone else at risk more than someone who has taken 2, 3, or 4, since they just as easily can catch and become contagious. This has been clear for so long now that it's actually mind-boggling that such an outdated claim could be entertained.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 21 April 2022, 23:14:14
It would seem Omicron's Evasion/Armor piercing +15 is quite potent.
Xpurts say infection may be inevitable over the Endemic stages of Covid, However 'Death' will be far less likely.
Masks4ever + boosters ?
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 23 April 2022, 21:42:45
This matters, because this is a very large population where the virus will mingle and create potentially deadlier variants.
Slated vaccine aide funding diverted to buy weapons.
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 24 April 2022, 07:34:40
vaccine aide funding diverted to buy weapons
It is heartbreaking and maddening that such a useless and meaningless war is damaging the human race and the planet Earth in such profound ways just as they are becoming exponentially more vulnerable.
Post by: ItIsWritten on Sun, 24 April 2022, 15:55:06
Vaccination rate stalls in low income countries, only 20-30% of population received full dose.Alas since the vaccines don't actually kill the virus, new variants can come from fully vaccinated countries too.
This matters, because this is a very large population where the virus will mingle and create potentially deadlier variants.
Slated vaccine aide funding diverted to buy weapons.
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Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 24 April 2022, 19:18:17
That's pretty terrible, basically zombies.
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 25 April 2022, 09:39:51
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 25 April 2022, 09:44:30
Post by: ItIsWritten on Mon, 25 April 2022, 18:02:58
Only 1 in 4 patients report feeling fully recovered 1 year after covid_hospitalization. 3 in 4 experience fatigue, muscle pain, physically slowing down, poor sleep, and breathlessness...Source?
That's pretty terrible, basically zombies.
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Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 25 April 2022, 22:27:03
I mean,, no poop sherlock... but.. yea, now there's a study.. ./official
Post by: chyros on Tue, 26 April 2022, 01:06:11
Unvaccinated people increase the risk of Cov19 infection among vaccinated..I get that people are sceptical of science (if anything that's the whole point) but is it really that much harder to believe than the power of aged urine and cattle dewormer? I don't understand this.
I mean,, no poop sherlock... but.. yea, now there's a study.. ./official
Post by: ItIsWritten on Tue, 26 April 2022, 18:23:10
Unvaccinated people increase the risk of Cov19 infection among vaccinated..But do they really? Vaccination doesn't kill the virus, it should only reduce the symptoms once you get infected. That's the official statement of the companies making the vaccines.
I mean,, no poop sherlock... but.. yea, now there's a study.. ./official
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Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 02 May 2022, 19:34:41
TIL, there's a .2.12.1.... (sublineage)
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Post by: Leslieann on Tue, 03 May 2022, 01:00:39
Will it ever end...Buckle up...
2-4 years is pretty common but not even remotely extreme....
While SARS/Cov-1 (or Covid 1) only lasted 2 years (2002-2004) and led to the Covid 19 vaccine, MERS-Cov, another coronavirus has been ongoing since 2012. Both are why the Covid vaccine was created so fast, they weren't starting from scratch, they were already working on it knowing it was only a matter of time before this happened.
Anyhow...
Black Death - 7 years (Bubonic plague)
Aids - 41 years (and going)
Third Plague - 105 years (Bubonic plague)
6th Cholera pandemic - 24 years
Polio - ~25 years
Polio only ended after they pretty much marched everyone to a vaccine station, we didn't do that for Covid so this is what we get. Anti-vaxxers learned lessons on how to fight it, we did not. They politicized it and this is what we get as a result.
By the way..
I'm still waiting for the vaxx to kill me like they claimed. Any day... I just know it.... Yep... Any time now.... *taps fingers*... Damn it, now I gotta pay rent... AGAIN.
Post by: chyros on Tue, 03 May 2022, 04:24:34
Polio - ~25 yearsPolio didn't end, it was saved from extinction by religionists. In fact, religious people are responsible for a vast amount of proliferation of diseases and medically-related suffering.
Polio only ended after they pretty much marched everyone to a vaccine station, we didn't do that for Covid so this is what we get. Anti-vaxxers learned lessons on how to fight it, we did not. They politicized it and this is what we get as a result.
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 03 May 2022, 07:45:47
religious people are responsible for a vast amount of proliferation of diseases and medically-related suffering.
Millennia ago they recognized that one of their most powerful tools for consolodating power was to bake as many rules as possible into religion itself, then enforcing them selectively.
The way that people cling to some of their tenets such as ceremonial rituals or kosher/halal dietary rules while discarding other concepts such as charity and tithing is truly bizarre.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 03 May 2022, 08:16:19
The way that people cling to some of their tenets such as ceremonial rituals or kosher/halal dietary rules while discarding other concepts such as charity and tithing is truly bizarre.
Hrrrmm ? you mean how people cling to bacon,eggs, steak and ignore the impact of animal agriculture on Climate change, where 75% of all farm land produces Animal feed, and Cattle ranching alone is responsible for 70-80% of rainforest deforestation ?
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Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 03 May 2022, 08:42:15
Post by: Leslieann on Tue, 03 May 2022, 10:22:17
That was only for the pandemic phase of it, almost nothing has been completely eliminated.Polio - ~25 yearsPolio didn't end, it was saved from extinction by religionists. In fact, religious people are responsible for a vast amount of proliferation of diseases and medically-related suffering.
Polio only ended after they pretty much marched everyone to a vaccine station, we didn't do that for Covid so this is what we get. Anti-vaxxers learned lessons on how to fight it, we did not. They politicized it and this is what we get as a result.
Post by: chyros on Tue, 03 May 2022, 16:29:23
Most things don't need to :p .That was only for the pandemic phase of it, almost nothing has been completely eliminated.Polio - ~25 yearsPolio didn't end, it was saved from extinction by religionists. In fact, religious people are responsible for a vast amount of proliferation of diseases and medically-related suffering.
Polio only ended after they pretty much marched everyone to a vaccine station, we didn't do that for Covid so this is what we get. Anti-vaxxers learned lessons on how to fight it, we did not. They politicized it and this is what we get as a result.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 04 May 2022, 07:07:10
The pax east (gaming convention) news, a hired local contracts covid, dies couple days later. Dawn (Deestar) Wood.
This is the new normal ? you go outside, play some table top game with friends, and you DIE... that's just how it is now ?
Online comments surround her "comorbidities" as she's on the puffier side, but this is 80% of all americans, and 40% are significantly puffier than that.
noise// crunch celery stick.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 07 May 2022, 07:35:38
Currently non_severe symptoms are not well defined, research continues.
"It's startling how many of these children present and have a range of symptoms that we haven't fully appreciated. Some are coming in with heart failure after asymptomatic Covid infections," said Dr. Jeffrey Kahn, chief of the Division of Pediatric Infectious Disease at UT Southwestern Medical Center in Dallas. "What's striking to me is that it usually occurs about four weeks after infection, and infection can be really asymptomatic, which is really startling."
At Sexson Tejte's clinic in Texas, children tend to fall into a few categories. Some have fatigue, brain fog and severe headaches, "to the point where the some kids aren't able to go to school, grades are failing, those types of issues,"
Another group has cardiac issues like heart palpitations, chest pains and dizziness, especially when they go back to their regular activities.
Another group has stomach problems. A lot of these kids also have a change in their sense of taste and smell.
Sexson Tejte said it isn't totally different from the symptoms adults have, "but it's not the mixed bag of different organ system involvement with adults."
Edwards, who runs the long Covid clinic in Cleveland, says she has to talk to parents about carefully balancing how much energy their children expend. Most healthy people can push through if they're tired, but those with long Covid can't.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 10 May 2022, 11:30:29
Citywide, the transmission rate has risen to levels last seen in late January, up almost 20% in a week and almost 90% in a month.
Hospitalization rates are essentially flat among the vaccinated (boosted or not), while soaring among the unvaccinated.
The problem is not confined to the city, though - it's a statewide issue, as the highly contagious subvariant B.2.12.1 spreads around New York.
Friday, New York reported 13,902 new positive tests - about 65% higher than just a week previously. Hospitalizations are now at 2,187, up nearly 10% in a week.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 12 May 2022, 09:20:21
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(22)00126-6/fulltext
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 14 May 2022, 17:11:56
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 18 May 2022, 11:02:52
#masks4ever.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 19 May 2022, 08:17:41
//save us alien jesus
Post by: chyros on Thu, 19 May 2022, 14:26:01
OMG... now monkeypox..wat
//save us alien jesus
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 21 May 2022, 07:02:31
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 22 May 2022, 15:54:40
This is how we get covid peaks in a month....
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Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 05 July 2022, 22:00:02
BA.1 vaccine are under clinical trial, which should offer much better protection against the BA. variants.
This is still happening peeps, keep wearing those masks.
The more severe an infection, the larger the likelihood of developing LONG covid.