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Title: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: scottwei on Thu, 03 January 2019, 20:18:50
Hello, friends of Geekhack,

We are excited to start the Group buy for G60. G60 is a retro-style USB/Bluetooth Dual Mode Keyboard designed by Scott from the Basic I/O Instruments (BIOI). After obtaining feedback from the GH community in a previous IC (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94188.0), a successful trial run private GB, and a recent interest check (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97324.0), Scott has optimized many fine details, and we believe G60 warrants a full run at GH.

(https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yilihong/alf/gh-pages/assets/img/g60/g60_gb/1.jpg)

(https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yilihong/alf/gh-pages/assets/img/g60/g60_gb/2.jpg)

(https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yilihong/alf/gh-pages/assets/img/g60/g60_gb/3.jpg)

(https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yilihong/alf/gh-pages/assets/img/g60/g60_gb/5.jpg)

(https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yilihong/alf/gh-pages/assets/img/g60/g60_gb/9.jpg)



G60 + CF Plate +Rubber Gasket + Holy Panda: Typing test!
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Instructions on using VIA configurator to set keymap for G60's dual-mode PCB
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G60's key features are as follows.

1. The design is inspired by Cherry G80-3000 Series, the size is cut down to 60%.
2. Aluminum 6061
3. A variety of colors and premium color options available
4. Top-bottom case design
5. Compatible with both Top Mount and standard GH60 style tray mount
6. Compatible with most PCBs based on GH60 (via an included FPC extension kit)
7. High-performance QMK-based Bluetooth/USB Dual Mode PCB designed by BIOI
8. Compatible with both USB-C and USB-Mini
9. Multiple layouts compatibility
10. Optional plate material (PC, CF, Brass) and optional 4mm thick plates with perfect switch cutouts (alu, brass)
11. Internal brass weight to fill the battery slot if you don't like wireless
12. Designed by Scott from BIOI
13. Manufactured by ALF
14. Possiblity to add rubber gaskets to increase typing flex

Color Options


(https://raw.githubusercontent.com/yilihong/alf/gh-pages/assets/img/g60/g60_gb/colors.jpg)

Layouts

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/489587683744677899/530955169832370178/unknown.png)

Price

Base Kit (Case, 1.5mm anodized aluminum plate, and a dual-mode PCB):$298
Dual Mode PCB: No need Dual Mode PCB: -$42; Extra Dual Mode PCB: +$42
Premium Colorways: +$36
Plate Upgrade: Carbon Fiber:+$9; 4mm Aluminum Plate: +58; 4mm Brass Plate: +$78
Extra Plate: Extra Aluminum/PC Plate: +$20; Extra Carbon Fiber:+$28; Extra 4mm Aluminum Plate: +$78; Extra 4mm Brass Plate: +$98
Internal Brass Weight: +$38

the pricing excludes 5% payment fee and shipping via SF Express

Detailed options in the Google form.

Projected Timeline:
Group Buy: Jan 2 - Jan 31, 2019 Feb 15, 2019
Fulfillment: 4-5 months after GB payment collection
Shipping: Via SF Express.
Payment collection and shipping will be directly handled by Scott from BIOI.

Please kindly fill out the Group Buy Form: Click to Fill Out the G60 Group Buy Form (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1C9l8iX5Od0rypxsUXL5EUrVttcIU3p9sBnGvbAvL_xk/)

Forms submitted before pst 11:59pm Jan 7 will receive an automatic $10 discount.


Get instantly updated in G60's discord channel:
https://discordapp.com/channels/470454563799826453/489587683744677899/532287752629125120


Orders can be check here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19Uc5DbftFkrow9kMdV-zjaNAkoEjvyF4uyKX8Gzlz8g/edit?usp=sharing


2019-10-19 Updated:
Friends in the group buy, please fill this form for shipping information collection and confirmation:
https://forms.gle/Hqogce25FeidyZuj7 (https://forms.gle/Hqogce25FeidyZuj7)

Title: Re: ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: Signature on Fri, 04 January 2019, 12:27:17
approved.
Title: Re: ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: hineybush on Fri, 04 January 2019, 12:43:23
Yessssss so excited for this. In for NCR Gray.
Title: Re: ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: crd on Fri, 04 January 2019, 12:45:12
in for NCR HHKB blockers :) nice work!
Title: Re: ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: RETURNISO on Fri, 04 January 2019, 12:47:33
Yessssss so excited for this. In for NCR Gray.

HYPE  :eek:
Title: Re: ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: thearctican on Fri, 04 January 2019, 12:50:18
Glad the GB is running so long - are there limited slots or can I wait a couple of weeks?
Title: Re: ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: SinjiOnO on Fri, 04 January 2019, 12:58:33
Hi there,

How will the Pearl White finish be applied? Good luck with the GB.
Title: Re: ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: tex_live_utility on Fri, 04 January 2019, 13:08:43
Beautiful board! Good luck with the group buy.
Title: Re: ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: The_Boom_Boy on Fri, 04 January 2019, 13:30:57
In!
Title: Re: ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: gnmar2723 on Fri, 04 January 2019, 15:01:34
Oooohhhh I'm definitely in! Since you seem to take an interest in applying old cherry style to new boards, what do you think about making a tkl version like this one (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90589.msg2458777)?
Title: Re: ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: OnceS on Fri, 04 January 2019, 15:35:06
How much does it weight ? If don't have and have Brass Weight?
Title: Re: ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: the_high_5 on Fri, 04 January 2019, 15:48:44
In for NCR Grey/White and a whole bunch of extras. Beyond stoked.
Title: Re: ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 04 January 2019, 18:44:49
Forms submitted before pst 11:59pm Jan 7 will receive an automatic $10 discount!
Title: Re: ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 04 January 2019, 19:18:56
4mm plate fits nicely with g60!!!

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: krey on Fri, 04 January 2019, 19:36:22
It has arrived!!!
Title: Re: ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: walie on Fri, 04 January 2019, 19:37:22
4mm plate fits nicely with g60!!!

(Attachment Link)

sorry for the newb question, but what are the advantages of the thick plate?
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: poodude on Fri, 04 January 2019, 20:36:39
I would also like to know about how the premium colors are applied. Is the white powder coated or is it electrophoresis?
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 04 January 2019, 23:14:13
I would also like to know about how the premium colors are applied. Is the white powder coated or is it electrophoresis?

Only pearl white is using a proprietary technology with silky smooth surface, other colors are all anodization. The special colorways are new colors Scott ordered.
Title: Re: ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: RETURNISO on Fri, 04 January 2019, 23:44:35
4mm plate fits nicely with g60!!!

(Attachment Link)

sorry for the newb question, but what are the advantages of the thick plate?

Its T H I C C :p

Depends what you like to type on. If its stiff, a little flex, sound etc.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: hhkbp2 on Sat, 05 January 2019, 02:07:59
Awesome to have the GB started.  :thumb:
The 4mm plate looks solid and promising.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: duxbridge on Sat, 05 January 2019, 02:21:59
Is it possible to order one that is fully assembled?
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: nguyenhimself on Sat, 05 January 2019, 03:48:25
Hi Scott, I really love the fact that this case is GH60-compatible.
I see that if I don't need the PCB, I can opt out and get a $42 "discount".
So my question is: If I also don't need the 1.5mm plate, can I get an even lower price? ;D
Because I want to put my current Alps build into this case, and I already have both the PCB and the custom-cut plate :)
Thanks.
Title: Re: ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: nguyenhimself on Sat, 05 January 2019, 03:54:44
4mm plate fits nicely with g60!!!

(Attachment Link)

sorry for the newb question, but what are the advantages of the thick plate?

Heavier and stiffer, if that's what you want.
I believe it'd be the opposite of a half-plate or a carbon-fiber one.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: patch on Sat, 05 January 2019, 08:28:40
what weight are we looking at if we get the thick plate and the internal brass weight :O

board looks nice af
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: iliketimex on Sat, 05 January 2019, 09:21:03
In regards to the FPC extension kit, will it plug into a normal GH60 PCB's usb connector?
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: mike873 on Sat, 05 January 2019, 11:12:13
That looks awesome, and I have a bunch of questions.


Thank you!
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: crd on Sat, 05 January 2019, 11:40:40
That looks awesome, and I have a bunch of questions.

  • Can you post supported layouts? Split space?
  • Are the layouts the same for all plate options?
  • Can you post a picture of the battery compartment? Does it interfere with the brass weight option?
  • Does the pcb support in-switch LEDs? Do you have pics or renders of the PCB for that matter?

Thank you!

Layouts answered in a previous thread which is already linked

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97324.msg2683622#msg2683622
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: ojrask on Sat, 05 January 2019, 15:21:56
This does look damn sweet, will have to see if my financials are OK to join a bit later this month.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: RETURNISO on Sat, 05 January 2019, 15:41:29
That looks awesome, and I have a bunch of questions.

  • Can you post supported layouts? Split space?
  • Are the layouts the same for all plate options?
  • Can you post a picture of the battery compartment? Does it interfere with the brass weight option?
  • Does the pcb support in-switch LEDs? Do you have pics or renders of the PCB for that matter?

Thank you!

Layouts answered in a previous thread which is already linked

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97324.msg2683622#msg2683622

Pics from ALF`s discord:

Prototype PCB Support in switch LED, ( OP correct me if i am wrong )

[attach=1]

The top part of the bottom case has a small notch/inlay, i guess its meant for the weight or the battery. ( OP correct me if i am wrong )

[attach=2]

( To note this the prototype and the cut in the bottom case where you see a brass plate has been removed and there is no cut/open bottom case )
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: kokoon on Sat, 05 January 2019, 16:00:31
Isn't the cutout meant for BT reception?
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: LevelSteam on Sat, 05 January 2019, 16:49:14
Really debating if I want to buy into this or wait for a re-run of the Grid 600 case....both are exactly the thick, chunky type of frame I love in a 60%.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: fer.real on Sat, 05 January 2019, 18:39:32
Really debating if I want to buy into this or wait for a re-run of the Grid 600 case....both are exactly the thick, chunky type of frame I love in a 60%.

I'm thinking of joining this too.  If I do join, I have a powder-coated white Grid with flash and classic modules that I'd be looking to get rid of.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: LevelSteam on Sat, 05 January 2019, 20:35:34
Really debating if I want to buy into this or wait for a re-run of the Grid 600 case....both are exactly the thick, chunky type of frame I love in a 60%.

I'm thinking of joining this too.  If I do join, I have a powder-coated white Grid with flash and classic modules that I'd be looking to get rid of.
Ooooo! Nice. Ill message you about that.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 05 January 2019, 23:09:17
Really debating if I want to buy into this or wait for a re-run of the Grid 600 case....both are exactly the thick, chunky type of frame I love in a 60%.

Trust Scott like I do. Haha. He is a keyboard wizard.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: scottwei on Sun, 06 January 2019, 09:59:42
Hi Scott, I really love the fact that this case is GH60-compatible.
I see that if I don't need the PCB, I can opt out and get a $42 "discount".
So my question is: If I also don't need the 1.5mm plate, can I get an even lower price? ;D
Because I want to put my current Alps build into this case, and I already have both the PCB and the custom-cut plate :)
Thanks.

Hi, thank you very much for loving my design, please contact me on ALF’a discord channel and I think I can help you
Title: Re: ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: scottwei on Sun, 06 January 2019, 10:01:57
Glad the GB is running so long - are there limited slots or can I wait a couple of weeks?

Thank you for considering G60! No limitations, You can take your time before the group buy ends
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: scottwei on Sun, 06 January 2019, 10:03:35
what weight are we looking at if we get the thick plate and the internal brass weight :O

board looks nice af

Near 2.5kg
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: scottwei on Sun, 06 January 2019, 10:06:40
In regards to the FPC extension kit, will it plug into a normal GH60 PCB's usb connector?

Of course! We got both mini and type-c plugs
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: F2F4 on Sun, 06 January 2019, 10:21:10
Could I get an opinion on which colorway I should get to match GMK Shoko?
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: scottwei on Sun, 06 January 2019, 10:26:43
Could I get an opinion on which colorway I should get to match GMK Shoko?

Pearl white will do, I think
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: F2F4 on Sun, 06 January 2019, 10:37:36
Could I get an opinion on which colorway I should get to match GMK Shoko?

Pearl white will do, I think

The pearl white has a yellowy tinge to it, right? Or will it look pure white in real life?
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: scottwei on Sun, 06 January 2019, 10:49:51
Could I get an opinion on which colorway I should get to match GMK Shoko?

Pearl white will do, I think

The pearl white has a yellowy tinge to it, right? Or will it look pure white in real life?

almost pure white
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 06 January 2019, 10:53:48
Could I get an opinion on which colorway I should get to match GMK Shoko?

I feel either pearl white or silver will match well
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 06 January 2019, 11:09:46
What color plate are you guys doing who pick NCR color?
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: walie on Sun, 06 January 2019, 12:28:34
I'm trying to determine which colour goes best with dev/tty and grey mods, any thoughts?
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: beekey on Sun, 06 January 2019, 12:52:34
For the tray mount, how do the screw holes look like? Brass standoffs? Preinstalled? Asking because I had big trouble with the recent Dasher D60. 
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: ArchDill on Sun, 06 January 2019, 13:44:51
Hmmm... I may have to get one of these...
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: gnmar2723 on Sun, 06 January 2019, 14:38:08
In regards to the FPC extension kit, will it plug into a normal GH60 PCB's usb connector?

Of course! We got both mini and type-c plugs

Are these both included in the kit, or do we have to buy them separate?
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: scottwei on Sun, 06 January 2019, 18:41:05
In regards to the FPC extension kit, will it plug into a normal GH60 PCB's usb connector?

Of course! We got both mini and type-c plugs

Are these both included in the kit, or do we have to buy them separate?

both included
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: Vigrith on Sun, 06 January 2019, 19:22:29
I'm trying to determine which colour goes best with dev/tty and grey mods, any thoughts?

White.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: fireworm on Sun, 06 January 2019, 20:22:30
Hi Scott, I really love the fact that this case is GH60-compatible.
I see that if I don't need the PCB, I can opt out and get a $42 "discount".
So my question is: If I also don't need the 1.5mm plate, can I get an even lower price? ;D
Because I want to put my current Alps build into this case, and I already have both the PCB and the custom-cut plate :)
Thanks.
I'd also like to know the answer.

Seems like the mounting is in the edges, unlike the standard poker / universal plate.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: RETURNISO on Sun, 06 January 2019, 20:32:09
Hi Scott, I really love the fact that this case is GH60-compatible.
I see that if I don't need the PCB, I can opt out and get a $42 "discount".
So my question is: If I also don't need the 1.5mm plate, can I get an even lower price? ;D
Because I want to put my current Alps build into this case, and I already have both the PCB and the custom-cut plate :)
Thanks.
I'd also like to know the answer.

Seems like the mounting is in the edges, unlike the standard poker / universal plate.

It's both top mount and tray mount gh60 compat
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: vewy_nice on Mon, 07 January 2019, 08:28:36
Is there any way to edit my order?

I thought about it a bit... and I can't ignore that 4mm brass plate any longer.... Holy moly.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: scottwei on Mon, 07 January 2019, 09:27:23
Is there any way to edit my order?

I thought about it a bit... and I can't ignore that 4mm brass plate any longer.... Holy moly.

contact me directly, ALF's discord channel is recommended. https://discordapp.com/channels/470454563799826453/489587683744677899
Title: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: dimo on Mon, 07 January 2019, 16:41:06
The green hue looks a bit different in the renders between the two different bottom case colors

is this intentional??
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 07 January 2019, 19:50:23
The green hue looks a bit different in the renders between the two different bottom case colors

is this intentional??

Hmm, maybe because of color contrast? They should be the same color
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: gnmar2723 on Tue, 08 January 2019, 10:32:33
How long to we have to pay the invoice?
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: GrannyRimJobs on Tue, 08 January 2019, 14:54:16
I'm new to group buys, how does the plate color effect a brass plate? And would any standard 60 percent PCB work in this case.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: crd on Tue, 08 January 2019, 15:21:47
would any standard 60 percent PCB work in this case.

Most standard 60% PCBs should support the available layouts of the top mount plates being offered but you should make sure for yourself.  Alternatively, you should be able to bring your own tray mount plate since the case will have standard tray mount standoffs. You would just want to indicate in your order form that you don't want the included PCB or plate to save a bit of cash. For what it's worth I thought about this myself but the price of included PCB is extremely reasonable considering all of the features packed into it. Heck, even if I don't decide to use the included PCB in this case I have some ideas about using it in a more portable configuration :)
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: GrannyRimJobs on Tue, 08 January 2019, 19:18:53
would any standard 60 percent PCB work in this case.

Most standard 60% PCBs should support the available layouts of the top mount plates being offered but you should make sure for yourself.  Alternatively, you should be able to bring your own tray mount plate since the case will have standard tray mount standoffs. You would just want to indicate in your order form that you don't want the included PCB or plate to save a bit of cash. For what it's worth I thought about this myself but the price of included PCB is extremely reasonable considering all of the features packed into it. Heck, even if I don't decide to use the included PCB in this case I have some ideas about using it in a more portable configuration :)

I was thinking of using a hotswap pcb so i could try several switches in it
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 08 January 2019, 23:19:18
would any standard 60 percent PCB work in this case.

Most standard 60% PCBs should support the available layouts of the top mount plates being offered but you should make sure for yourself.  Alternatively, you should be able to bring your own tray mount plate since the case will have standard tray mount standoffs. You would just want to indicate in your order form that you don't want the included PCB or plate to save a bit of cash. For what it's worth I thought about this myself but the price of included PCB is extremely reasonable considering all of the features packed into it. Heck, even if I don't decide to use the included PCB in this case I have some ideas about using it in a more portable configuration :)

I was thinking of using a hotswap pcb so i could try several switches in it

Yeah you can actually minus the PCB and save 42 bucks I believe
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: pp on Wed, 09 January 2019, 04:53:39
Great design. I love it~~~
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: LightningXI on Wed, 09 January 2019, 19:18:37
How long to we have to pay the invoice?

I have the same question.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: click clack jack on Wed, 09 January 2019, 20:24:42
What exactly does dual mode mean? Sorry for being a noob
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: dyrdevil on Wed, 09 January 2019, 20:25:55
What exactly does dual mode mean? Sorry for being a noob

it means the PCB can operate in normal USB cable mode, or, when a switch is flipped, in Bluetooth mode.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: mr scooty on Wed, 09 January 2019, 20:32:51
How long to we have to pay the invoice?

How long to we have to pay the invoice?

I have the same question.


January 31st, I believe.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 10 January 2019, 00:06:46
How long to we have to pay the invoice?

I have the same question.

End of GB I think
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: scottwei on Thu, 10 January 2019, 11:16:20
What exactly does dual mode mean? Sorry for being a noob

It's a bluetooth-low-energy keyboard PCB running with QMK firmware, when you connected with the USB cable, it will working as a USB keyboard automatically and start charging the battery, once the USB cable unpluged, it will working as a bluetooth keyboard with paired computer.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: Darknight00z on Thu, 10 January 2019, 17:46:07
Hello All,

Welcome to the ALF x Scott — G60 GB. I'm not trying to cause trouble, but I wish to inform buyers new to ALF manufacturing and what to expect.

Caveat Emptor folks!

Alf has a history of delays, look at dc60, alf x3 renova, alf x2, and currently doro67 and x11 are behind schedule.

My dc60 order and 19 other orders are still waiting for Alf to ship the replacements, after 2months since everyone else has received orders. I am not attacking Alf, but simply tell the facts as is. iLouise has been doing his best, but beyond daily reminders to Alf, there isn't much else he can do to get the remaining 20 dc60 orders shipped.

Delays happen and that understandable, but Alf has made countless promises on when items would be shipped, and have missed those dates.

You may say that I am picking on Alf when there are other GBs with more significant delays and sub-par quality products. The state of other poorly run GBs are fairly well known, but I thought with Alf regularly taking new orders. His style of manufacturing should be highlighted. Delays may be the norm, but we should have better communications and not false promises. Secondly, these other GBs are not taking on new orders and projects while existing orders are still behind schedule. Alf is running this as a business, and yet we as customers are being treated as second rate.

I know I am going to ruffle some feathers and take some heat for speaking out, oldcat/SugaaH is going to defend Alf. But I felt it was necessary to point out the issues before it got any worse. I hope I don't get attacked too severely for getting this off my chest.

I hope you enter this GB knowing the situation and that Alf is taking 2 projects at the exact same time, this round. G80 and the 65% Dolch.CR

Kind Regards,

P.S. Did not expect this to become an open letter, but as I was typing and editing, it sort of became one.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: Justin_aka_OsP_SSJ4 on Thu, 10 January 2019, 18:19:45
I would like to echo the above post. I made a more detailed post of my recent experience here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96616.350

Frankly resolving peoples incorrect orders from 2 months ago doesnt seem to be a priority for Alf.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: LightningXI on Thu, 10 January 2019, 20:49:25
Hello All,

Welcome to the ALF x Scott — G60 GB. I'm not trying to cause trouble, but I wish to inform buyers new to ALF manufacturing and what to expect.

Caveat Emptor folks!

Alf has a history of delays, look at dc60, alf x3 renova, alf x2, and currently doro67 and x11 are behind schedule.

My dc60 order and 19 other orders are still waiting for Alf to ship the replacements, after 2months since everyone else has received orders. I am not attacking Alf, but simply tell the facts as is. iLouise has been doing his best, but beyond daily reminders to Alf, there isn't much else he can do to get the remaining 20 dc60 orders shipped.

Delays happen and that understandable, but Alf has made countless promises on when items would be shipped, and have missed those dates.

You may say that I am picking on Alf when there are other GBs with more significant delays and sub-par quality products. The state of other poorly run GBs are fairly well known, but I thought with Alf regularly taking new orders. His style of manufacturing should be highlighted. Delays may be the norm, but we should have better communications and not false promises. Secondly, these other GBs are not taking on new orders and projects while existing orders are still behind schedule. Alf is running this as a business, and yet we as customers are being treated as second rate.

I know I am going to ruffle some feathers and take some heat for speaking out, oldcat/SugaaH is going to defend Alf. But I felt it was necessary to point out the issues before it got any worse. I hope I don't get attacked too severely for getting this off my chest.

I hope you enter this GB knowing the situation and that Alf is taking 2 projects at the exact same time, this round. G80 and the 65% Dolch.CR

Kind Regards,

P.S. Did not expect this to become an open letter, but as I was typing and editing, it sort of became one.

I would have to agree that it's pretty worrisome how many GBs are open under ALF's name, and how many of them haven't quite finished.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 10 January 2019, 21:02:07
Hello All,

Welcome to the ALF x Scott — G60 GB. I'm not trying to cause trouble, but I wish to inform buyers new to ALF manufacturing and what to expect.

Caveat Emptor folks!

Alf has a history of delays, look at dc60, alf x3 renova, alf x2, and currently doro67 and x11 are behind schedule.

My dc60 order and 19 other orders are still waiting for Alf to ship the replacements, after 2months since everyone else has received orders. I am not attacking Alf, but simply tell the facts as is. iLouise has been doing his best, but beyond daily reminders to Alf, there isn't much else he can do to get the remaining 20 dc60 orders shipped.

Delays happen and that understandable, but Alf has made countless promises on when items would be shipped, and have missed those dates.

You may say that I am picking on Alf when there are other GBs with more significant delays and sub-par quality products. The state of other poorly run GBs are fairly well known, but I thought with Alf regularly taking new orders. His style of manufacturing should be highlighted. Delays may be the norm, but we should have better communications and not false promises. Secondly, these other GBs are not taking on new orders and projects while existing orders are still behind schedule. Alf is running this as a business, and yet we as customers are being treated as second rate.

I know I am going to ruffle some feathers and take some heat for speaking out, oldcat/SugaaH is going to defend Alf. But I felt it was necessary to point out the issues before it got any worse. I hope I don't get attacked too severely for getting this off my chest.

I hope you enter this GB knowing the situation and that Alf is taking 2 projects at the exact same time, this round. G80 and the 65% Dolch.CR

Kind Regards,

P.S. Did not expect this to become an open letter, but as I was typing and editing, it sort of became one.

I would have to agree that it's pretty worrisome how many GBs are open under ALF's name, and how many of them haven't quite finished.

i belive it's currently eight

G60, dolch cr65, chicory40, dc60, doro67, unigo66, alf x3, x1.1,  alf x2

though they're all at different stages

either way, a lot more than the GH mandate of two
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: stoic-lemon on Thu, 10 January 2019, 21:31:07
It's honestly making me hesitant to get in on this when I was hyped at the announcement.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 10 January 2019, 21:50:59
Hello All,

Welcome to the ALF x Scott — G60 GB. I'm not trying to cause trouble, but I wish to inform buyers new to ALF manufacturing and what to expect.

Caveat Emptor folks!

Alf has a history of delays, look at dc60, alf x3 renova, alf x2, and currently doro67 and x11 are behind schedule.

My dc60 order and 19 other orders are still waiting for Alf to ship the replacements, after 2months since everyone else has received orders. I am not attacking Alf, but simply tell the facts as is. iLouise has been doing his best, but beyond daily reminders to Alf, there isn't much else he can do to get the remaining 20 dc60 orders shipped.

Delays happen and that understandable, but Alf has made countless promises on when items would be shipped, and have missed those dates.

You may say that I am picking on Alf when there are other GBs with more significant delays and sub-par quality products. The state of other poorly run GBs are fairly well known, but I thought with Alf regularly taking new orders. His style of manufacturing should be highlighted. Delays may be the norm, but we should have better communications and not false promises. Secondly, these other GBs are not taking on new orders and projects while existing orders are still behind schedule. Alf is running this as a business, and yet we as customers are being treated as second rate.

I know I am going to ruffle some feathers and take some heat for speaking out, oldcat/SugaaH is going to defend Alf. But I felt it was necessary to point out the issues before it got any worse. I hope I don't get attacked too severely for getting this off my chest.

I hope you enter this GB knowing the situation and that Alf is taking 2 projects at the exact same time, this round. G80 and the 65% Dolch.CR

Kind Regards,

P.S. Did not expect this to become an open letter, but as I was typing and editing, it sort of became one.

I would have to agree that it's pretty worrisome how many GBs are open under ALF's name, and how many of them haven't quite finished.

i belive it's currently eight

G60, dolch cr65, chicory40, dc60, doro67, unigo66, alf x3, x1.1,  alf x2

though they're all at different stages

either way, a lot more than the GH mandate of two


G60 and Dolch.CR are the new ones.
Alf X3 is handled by Zfrontier (if I recall correctly), ALF fulfilled to ZF long ago.
ALF X2 were fulfilled long time ago. Don't think there is a GH or discord GB.
ALF X1.1 was a private GB in discord, currently fulfilling
Unigo66 is in fulfillment stage (ahead of schedule)
Doro67 all done, waiting for 80ultraman's QC, packing and shipping
DC60, from the official post, 99% were shipped. Some messed up during shipping process and were re-made
Chicory is a manufacturing job, on track.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: Justin_aka_OsP_SSJ4 on Thu, 10 January 2019, 22:33:06
DC60, from the official post, 99% were shipped. "Some" messed up during shipping process and were re-made
First actual shipments went out early november. Some people waited all the way up til mid December for a tracking number only to learn they were never shipped in the first place.

Out of the 110* invoices https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18WDKyw1cqU31tMR_SISaj35k46t56iRoiCByd32u5yE/edit#gid=0

Over 30 KNOWN people joined the discord customer service created by Louis to resolve large issues with their orders. Not everyone uses discord and not everyone wants to deal with their orders publicly so that 30 could be a conservative number for all we know. So frankly the "99% shipped" is not exactly accurate (to be fair it hasnt been updated, but to be updated information needs to be communicated)

Not to mention one of the finishes "grey/greenish" was changed without ANYONES knowledge to Titanium grey.

And to address the need for time to re-manufacture.  He initially stated that he WOULDN'T remake the cases. Prompting people to either settle for replacements in different colours, Bstock cases or get refunds. Then without announcement decides to remake the missing cases sometime in mid Dec.

Ontop of that anyone who settled for left overs as replacements still had to wait for re manufacturing to conclude before Alf decided to ship. Again without informing anyone involved.

You are going to have a hard time justifying how the DC60 group buy went. I check the GH thread, Alf Discord, Private DC60 customer service discord several times a day and chat with Louis regularly. Have done since day 1. I know this buy backwards.

Frankly the ONLY reason I didnt just charge back my PayPal is because Louis who has consistently done his best to help is who's paypal we sent money too. So I would be putting Louis in a bad position by charging back the transaction.

Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: scottwei on Thu, 10 January 2019, 22:55:19
Hi, All. I’m not going to defend ALF because G60’s prototype was also delayed for 2 months. Now I going to share something about ALF. The ALF is not quite a precisely operated commercial company, it started by their deep affection for keyboards. They invested money, buying CNC machines and place to manufacture keyboards for the community. Most of them are manufacturing background, so making things is their advantage, and it makes lacking of management and operation their weakness. They do ran into an unfavorable condition because of mismanagement. As what I known, that’s the cause of delay of X1.1 and DC60. Of cause, they’re trying their best to fix these problems.

Speaking of the other running projects like the DCR by Cary, the G60 by me and etc., ALF acts more like an OEM. Take Cary and me for example, of cause we do love keyboards, but we’re not making a living by them. We both have a full time job, Keyboards are our hobby, we discussing, designing, building and making keyboards in our spare time. If our works are loved by the community, we would like to share them through ALF’s manufacturing, and I think this is what the so-call “Group Buy” really is. These “Group Buy” are responsible by its own authors, for the G60 by me, I’m designing, programming, dealing with order forms and sending invoices all by myself. What I have to say is, I cannot guarantee for any unpredictable situations like technical and productive issues, but I do will try my best to avoid and fix them, letting people get their keyboards as soon as possible. This means I really cannot guarantee for the possibility of delay, but it do will not be an unlimited delay. Thank you all for supporting G60 and hoping you can understand. If you want to quit the “Group Buy”, it is totally acceptable before the due date, I’ll refund with no question asked.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: RETURNISO on Fri, 11 January 2019, 03:05:08
Hi Gents and Ladies,

Regarding the concerns above, I have followed the development of the G60.
The designer Scott have done a great work so far on the GB and the dev process.
I personally have invested in this GB and i have no doubt Scott will do a awesome job delivering the G60.

Mentioning quick here what the concerns is about. I have a DC60 myself bought from Louis as he have been working hard to help resolve the DC60 delay issues.
It seems ALF studios have been resolving and have communication about it. 

As with all group buys there can be delays as its a custom manufactured product.

So please refer to the proper channels for the concerns, both on the discord channel opened up for the issues on the DC60 and here on GH in the DC60 thread.

I look very forward to the G60 and if there should be delays as they can occur with ALL group buys.. Scott is very forward and honest as you can read his post above.

To quote Photoelectric "As a general reminder to prospective participants "Caveat Emptor. (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=36773.0/)"
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: hineybush on Fri, 11 January 2019, 07:41:41
worst case (as with all group buys) is that we all die before it gets delivered. I have a feeling that won't happen with this one.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: stoic-lemon on Fri, 11 January 2019, 08:15:47
That's some serious perspective :D
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: RETURNISO on Fri, 11 January 2019, 11:00:49
worst case (as with all group buys) is that we all die before it gets delivered. I have a feeling that won't happen with this one.

Damn then.. its time to start cut down on the plastic... really want my G60 :p
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: iliketimex on Fri, 11 January 2019, 13:24:43
Can a photo of the plate layout/prototype be posted?

I ordered an ANSI, but my assumptions may be wrong on what the ANSI plate looks like. There is a difference between 60% ANSI and Universal. Personally I need more of a universal layout to have the 5 bottom right keys be 1U keys, along with a 1.75U Shift. Thanks.

I attached my current layout, which I hope works with the plate.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: RETURNISO on Fri, 11 January 2019, 15:07:40
Can a photo of the plate layout/prototype be posted?

I ordered an ANSI, but my assumptions may be wrong on what the ANSI plate looks like. There is a difference between 60% ANSI and Universal. Personally I need more of a universal layout to have the 5 bottom right keys be 1U keys, along with a 1.75U Shift. Thanks.

I attached my current layout, which I hope works with the plate.

Check the plates layouts here :)

[attach=1]
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: iliketimex on Fri, 11 January 2019, 17:03:11

Check the plates layouts here :)


That's helpful, thanks.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: scottwei on Fri, 11 January 2019, 23:06:09

Check the plates layouts here :)


That's helpful, thanks.

Sorry I didn't post the layouts to the main post. as you can see the picture above, only 4mm plates are divided into ANSI and ISO layout.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: Kirito1994 on Sat, 12 January 2019, 01:56:38
Awesome! I'm in!
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: crzone on Sat, 12 January 2019, 15:03:13
Any idea how SF Express packages are delivered to Europe? Regular post or some B2C delivery?
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: nasp on Sat, 12 January 2019, 16:08:12
I haven't seen any mention of the battery.

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: F2F4 on Sat, 12 January 2019, 16:28:43
If I install a DZ60 PCB could I split spacebar this setup?
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: Pwner on Sat, 12 January 2019, 17:49:29
If I install a DZ60 PCB could I split spacebar this setup?

You could if you don't mind just using the tray mount.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: tanega on Sat, 12 January 2019, 19:45:42
Any idea how SF Express packages are delivered to Europe? Regular post or some B2C delivery?

I'd like to know too as postage and import fees can vary wildly depending on the delivery operator.
I'm still scratching my head to calculate how much it would cost to get one and getting delivered in Europe.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: scottwei on Sun, 13 January 2019, 09:12:14
If I install a DZ60 PCB could I split spacebar this setup?

Use a DZ60 is okay, but all stock plates in this set are not supporting split spacebar layouts, you have to use others universal 60% plate that supports split spacebar layouts. and as what Pwner said above, you have to use the tray mount. anyway, the plate drawing will release after the group buy, you can make your own plate then.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: vosechu on Sun, 13 January 2019, 10:28:00
Is the usb/bluetooth switch done by qmk or in hardware? Currently struggling with this on my prototype.

Thanks!
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: scottwei on Sun, 13 January 2019, 19:55:50
Is the usb/bluetooth switch done by qmk or in hardware? Currently struggling with this on my prototype.

Thanks!

It's done by QMK, or exactly speaking LUFA
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: nasp on Sun, 13 January 2019, 21:08:19
Hey Scott. Can you please answer my questions about the battery? It's just a few posts above
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: scottwei on Sun, 13 January 2019, 23:00:11
Hey Scott. Can you please answer my questions about the battery? It's just a few posts above

Oh, Deeply sorry for missed that.

Q: What kind of battery do we need?
A:It needs 3.7v Li-Po Battery with PH2.0 Plug

Q:Anyone have a link to decent ones?
A:FYI:https://www.amazon.com/YDL-1200mAh-battery-Rechargeable-Connector/dp/B07BTH6YTM/ref=sr_1_35_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1547441086&sr=8-35-spons&keywords=3.7v+lipolymer+battery&psc=1
Size Limitation: Long< 150mm, Width:<40mm, Height<6.5mm Do please protect the battery from the switches' pins while installed

Q:Can we use the battery from an Anne Pro?
A:Sorry, I don't know what kind of battery Anne Pro used.

Q:Does the battery only fit in the spot used with the brass plate?
A:Yes, otherwise you won't find any other better place for the battery, the battery might be spiked by the switches' pins if you put it under the PCB, that will be very dangerous.

Q:Does the battery still fit if used with a tray mount?
A:Yes, Mounting style is not affecting the using of the battery.

Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 14 January 2019, 10:38:02
Hey Scott. Can you please answer my questions about the battery? It's just a few posts above

Oh, Deeply sorry for missed that.

Q: What kind of battery do we need?
A:It needs 3.7v Li-Po Battery with PH2.0 Plug

Q:Anyone have a link to decent ones?
A:FYI:https://www.amazon.com/YDL-1200mAh-battery-Rechargeable-Connector/dp/B07BTH6YTM/ref=sr_1_35_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1547441086&sr=8-35-spons&keywords=3.7v+lipolymer+battery&psc=1
Size Limitation: Long< 150mm, Width:<40mm, Height<6.5mm Do please protect the battery from the switches' pins while installed

Q:Can we use the battery from an Anne Pro?
A:Sorry, I don't know what kind of battery Anne Pro used.

Q:Does the battery only fit in the spot used with the brass plate?
A:Yes, otherwise you won't find any other better place for the battery, the battery might be spiked by the switches' pins if you put it under the PCB, that will be very dangerous.

Q:Does the battery still fit if used with a tray mount?
A:Yes, Mounting style is not affecting the using of the battery.

Just a note that pls do not ship with battery! It won’t be allowed or will get returned
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: rokphit on Tue, 15 January 2019, 19:03:09
Does the PCB support per-switch RGB?
Thanks.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: nasp on Tue, 15 January 2019, 19:09:46
What's the Bluetooth range on this? I've heard that wireless signals don't travel through metal well.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: scottwei on Tue, 15 January 2019, 20:34:13
Does the PCB support per-switch RGB?
Thanks.

Sorry, Not Supported.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: scottwei on Tue, 15 January 2019, 21:21:08
What's the Bluetooth range on this? I've heard that wireless signals don't travel through metal well.

Yes, Radio signals can be blocked by metal and carbon fiber. To enhance the signal, I make a cutout on the plate over the Bluetooth antena, it's under the spacebar, so it can get better reception. Besides this, Bluetooth is easily interfered, it used 2.4Ghz band which also widely used by other radio technologies like WiFi ect.

I did a simple test, compare the G60 with 4mm aluminum plate, a wooden case CAD66_BLE, a naked YD60BLE and the Apple Magic Keyboard, all of the four keyboards are 5m away from my iMac, of course, there are mutiple WiFi signals around. the G60, CAD66_BLE and YD60BLE used the same MDBT40 Bluetooth module, so they should perform almost the same. You can see the images below, the number after "RSSI" stands for the signal strength, the closer to 0 the better signal it is.

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/489587683744677899/533498710584459266/IMG_4593.PNG)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/489587683744677899/533498676140572703/IMG_4592.PNG)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/489587683744677899/533498718847107075/IMG_4594.JPG)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/489587683744677899/533498736706453514/IMG_4595.JPG)

As we can see above, the Apple Magic Keyboard (Named System Administrator's Keyboard #1) got the best perform, but the G60 and the wooden case CAD66_BLE is very close, not too worse than the YD60BLE which exposed directly to the air. At this distance, G60 can be used normally. Anyway, In most cases, you will still use your keyboards on desktop, the signal would be much better than this, but I still recommend that put the Bluetooth adapter or dongle as close to the keyboard as you can, don't forget the radio interference. Speaking of the Gaming performance, for myself, I still can feel the delay in Bluetooth mode compared with it is in the USB mode. So, plug the USB in if you want to win.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: nasp on Tue, 15 January 2019, 21:31:43
Thanks for the indepth and thorough answers! It's very much appreciated! I'm definitely considering buying one!

Would you consider selling the Bluetooth PCB on its own?
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Tue, 15 January 2019, 21:52:40
Is the internal brass weight still off center like in one of the IC thread photos?
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: scottwei on Wed, 16 January 2019, 00:58:51
Is the internal brass weight still off center like in one of the IC thread photos?

No, it fills the whole slot reserved for the battery.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: nug on Wed, 16 January 2019, 02:12:32
Is the internal brass weight still off center like in one of the IC thread photos?

No, it fills the whole slot reserved for the battery.
But is the slot reserved for the battery off-center?
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: scottwei on Wed, 16 January 2019, 03:06:52
Is the internal brass weight still off center like in one of the IC thread photos?

No, it fills the whole slot reserved for the battery.
But is the slot reserved for the battery off-center?

[attach=1 width=640]

the green area is the battery slot, the red area slot and cutout are canceled.  of course you can say it's off center, it's under the top bezel, not on the center of gravity. :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: nasp on Wed, 16 January 2019, 10:26:58
It looks like that has to be a fairly slim battery, especially if going with tray mount. Is that photo the end product, or are there plans to make a recess in the battery compartment or raise the standoffs for tray mount in height a bit?
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: scottwei on Wed, 16 January 2019, 11:25:10
It looks like that has to be a fairly slim battery, especially if going with tray mount. Is that photo the end product, or are there plans to make a recess in the battery compartment or raise the standoffs for tray mount in height a bit?

The photo is not the end product, the slot has enough room for battery that width under 41mm and thickness under 7mm, at this size, it got lots of choices on amazon with a capacity from 1000mah to 2000mah, they can keep G60 working for around 1 month. the slot can't goes any wider, the wider it goes, the thinner the case bottom is, and it's now reaching a limitation, and as I said on post above, no plan and not recommended to install battery under the PCB, the switches pins are very dangerous to a Li-Po battery.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 18 January 2019, 01:10:48
Thanks for the indepth and thorough answers! It's very much appreciated! I'm definitely considering buying one!

Would you consider selling the Bluetooth PCB on its own?

Maybe in the future? Not sure how much demand is there for just a blue tooth pcb :)
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: fer.real on Fri, 18 January 2019, 10:29:47
I just ordered Yok Red Pandas for my red G60 with a red plate. https://novelkeys.xyz/collections/frontpage/products/yok-red-pandas

Hopefully Red Cadet gets made.

Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: hineybush on Fri, 18 January 2019, 11:22:15
No idea what i'm gonna do for the board yet, lol. I got the WKL NCR grey w/ dark bottom.


Keyset choices: OG dolch, kekkon dolch, 9009 r1, muted, wob, honeywell

I think 9009 would look pretty cool with the warm tone of the NCR ano.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 18 January 2019, 15:32:31
I just ordered Yok Red Pandas for my red G60 with a red plate. https://novelkeys.xyz/collections/frontpage/products/yok-red-pandas

Hopefully Red Cadet gets made.

How about Jamon?
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: fer.real on Fri, 18 January 2019, 16:00:56
I just ordered Yok Red Pandas for my red G60 with a red plate. https://novelkeys.xyz/collections/frontpage/products/yok-red-pandas

Hopefully Red Cadet gets made.

How about Jamon?

I'm definitely considering Jamon.  I still hope Red Cadet gets made.  ;D
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 18 January 2019, 22:41:42
I just ordered Yok Red Pandas for my red G60 with a red plate. https://novelkeys.xyz/collections/frontpage/products/yok-red-pandas

Hopefully Red Cadet gets made.

How about Jamon?

I'm definitely considering Jamon.  I still hope Red Cadet gets made.  ;D

Not sure if I will get Jamon...I got red samurai and dont know what case to use with Jamon :(
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: dodung.breakwood on Sat, 19 January 2019, 09:57:32
It has arrived!!!
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 20 January 2019, 22:46:52
It has arrived!!!

yes and only about a week left to join!
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 22 January 2019, 12:07:47
No idea what i'm gonna do for the board yet, lol. I got the WKL NCR grey w/ dark bottom.


Keyset choices: OG dolch, kekkon dolch, 9009 r1, muted, wob, honeywell

I think 9009 would look pretty cool with the warm tone of the NCR ano.

Modern Dolch, hopefully shipping soon :)
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: hineybush on Tue, 22 January 2019, 19:29:32
No idea what i'm gonna do for the board yet, lol. I got the WKL NCR grey w/ dark bottom.


Keyset choices: OG dolch, kekkon dolch, 9009 r1, muted, wob, honeywell

I think 9009 would look pretty cool with the warm tone of the NCR ano.

Modern Dolch, hopefully shipping soon :)

I do have that coming too  :))
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: Lyle88 on Wed, 23 January 2019, 05:06:45
Would you be able to post a couple of photos showing SA keycaps mounted in the case using the top-mount option?

It would be really helpful to know if the bottom of the keycaps are visible, as i want my next case to have the caps sit quite low in the case

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Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: RETURNISO on Wed, 23 January 2019, 05:37:52
Would you be able to post a couple of photos showing SA keycaps mounted in the case using the top-mount option?

It would be really helpful to know if the bottom of the keycaps are visible, as i want my next case to have the caps sit quite low in the case

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This pic is from the previous run ( only traymount )
The top mount plate have cherry profile countersunk in. ( I think it would the same for SA )

Edit. A few more here with cherry profile on top mount of the new prototype

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Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: Lyle88 on Wed, 23 January 2019, 19:54:28
Would you be able to post a couple of photos showing SA keycaps mounted in the case using the top-mount option?

It would be really helpful to know if the bottom of the keycaps are visible, as i want my next case to have the caps sit quite low in the case

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(Attachment Link)

This pic is from the previous run ( only traymount )
The top mount plate have cherry profile countersunk in. ( I think it would the same for SA )

Edit. A few more here with cherry profile on top mount of the new prototype

(Attachment Link)

(Attachment Link)
Thanks for that

I think I will join when my next pay cheque come in

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Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 23 January 2019, 22:35:25
Would you be able to post a couple of photos showing SA keycaps mounted in the case using the top-mount option?

It would be really helpful to know if the bottom of the keycaps are visible, as i want my next case to have the caps sit quite low in the case

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

(Attachment Link)

This pic is from the previous run ( only traymount )
The top mount plate have cherry profile countersunk in. ( I think it would the same for SA )

Edit. A few more here with cherry profile on top mount of the new prototype

(Attachment Link)

(Attachment Link)
Thanks for that

I think I will join when my next pay cheque come in

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

Given CNY is on the horizon, we might just extend it to after CNY, since factory will shut down very soon and will open after CNY anyway. I will talk to Scott and see. WIll keep updating.
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: Lyle88 on Sat, 26 January 2019, 21:55:47
Would you be able to post a couple of photos showing SA keycaps mounted in the case using the top-mount option?

It would be really helpful to know if the bottom of the keycaps are visible, as i want my next case to have the caps sit quite low in the case

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

(Attachment Link)

This pic is from the previous run ( only traymount )
The top mount plate have cherry profile countersunk in. ( I think it would the same for SA )

Edit. A few more here with cherry profile on top mount of the new prototype

(Attachment Link)

(Attachment Link)
Thanks for that

I think I will join when my next pay cheque come in

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

Given CNY is on the horizon, we might just extend it to after CNY, since factory will shut down very soon and will open after CNY anyway. I will talk to Scott and see. WIll keep updating.
Cool, let us know if the GB gets extended

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Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 29 January 2019, 17:42:36
G60 + CF Plate +Rubber Gasket + Holy Panda: Typing test!

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Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: RETURNISO on Tue, 29 January 2019, 18:09:01
G60 + CF Plate +Rubber Gasket + Holy Panda: Typing test!

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 :eek: <3
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: regionfree on Tue, 29 January 2019, 22:56:47
Folks, I've been exchanging comments with oldcat and scottwei, and it seems like if we beg hard enough and make enough noise, Scott MIGHT include gaskets that could be used for the G60.

So, please +1 for gasket inclusion!
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: macclack on Tue, 29 January 2019, 23:31:55
Folks, I've been exchanging comments with oldcat and scottwei, and it seems like if we beg hard enough and make enough noise, Scott MIGHT include gaskets that could be used for the G60.

So, please +1 for gasket inclusion!

+1 for gaskets!!!!
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: Lyle88 on Tue, 29 January 2019, 23:59:11
Folks, I've been exchanging comments with oldcat and scottwei, and it seems like if we beg hard enough and make enough noise, Scott MIGHT include gaskets that could be used for the G60.

So, please +1 for gasket inclusion!

+1 for gaskets!!!!
+1 for gasket!

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Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 30 January 2019, 00:07:00
Folks, I've been exchanging comments with oldcat and scottwei, and it seems like if we beg hard enough and make enough noise, Scott MIGHT include gaskets that could be used for the G60.

So, please +1 for gasket inclusion!

G60 opens up tons of possibilities given the space inside that can be used. I am sure if the rubber gaskets are not so expensive Scott will include them for free. Will see if he needs to open up a mold for it (to achieve best fit), if there are affordable ones already made by others and sold in in "made in china" prices it will certainly be ideal.

Please make more noises, as Scott likes innovative suggestions :)
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 30 January 2019, 02:26:07
Update: Scott said in discord that he will add a gasket kit for G60 buyers. Great news, and have fun!

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Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended)
Post by: scottwei on Wed, 30 January 2019, 02:42:05
Thank you oldcat :thumb:

And since we have to wait for the factory open anyway, I finally decided to extend the group buy to Feb 15.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended)
Post by: regionfree on Wed, 30 January 2019, 02:45:42
Thank you very much! Also good to know it's extended to the 15th. Need to decide on which layout to take.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended)
Post by: _GMK_ on Wed, 30 January 2019, 03:23:27
My question is: do you really like metal cases? In the cold days of the winter, there's nothing that irritates me as much as a cold keyboard.
This would be an insta buy for me, if it was made of solid and cheap plastic. Plastic even sounds better.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended)
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 30 January 2019, 03:41:03
My question is: do you really like metal cases? In the cold days of the winter, there's nothing that irritates me as much as a cold keyboard.
This would be an insta buy for me, if it was made of solid and cheap plastic. Plastic even sounds better.

Usually there is AC in doors though :)
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended)
Post by: scottwei on Wed, 30 January 2019, 11:01:58
My question is: do you really like metal cases? In the cold days of the winter, there's nothing that irritates me as much as a cold keyboard.
This would be an insta buy for me, if it was made of solid and cheap plastic. Plastic even sounds better.

I love plastic ones too, metal is not what we need but it's the most effective way to put our ideas into realistic, in now days and in product scale this small (usually less than 100 units). 3D printing is great, but you will limited by colors or textures if you need accuracy(SLA), or you have to endure poor accuracy if you need multiple colors(ABS).
 
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended)
Post by: GrannyRimJobs on Wed, 30 January 2019, 15:15:06
How close is the render of the pink case to it in real life? Like is it more like hot pink or salmon, and does it look more like a plastic pink or aluminum pink. How well do you guys think the pink case would go with GMK Olivia or SA Grand Budapest?
Title: Re: [GB]ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Dual-mount Dual-mode Keyboard
Post by: appaboy on Wed, 30 January 2019, 22:46:28
Update: Scott said in discord that he will add a gasket kit for G60 buyers. Great news, and have fun!

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that does not look right, gaskets are supposed to go between the plate and the pcb but this looks like it is just on top of both which wouldnt change anything? not to be rude, im just confused
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended)
Post by: _GMK_ on Thu, 31 January 2019, 02:28:42
My question is: do you really like metal cases? In the cold days of the winter, there's nothing that irritates me as much as a cold keyboard.
This would be an insta buy for me, if it was made of solid and cheap plastic. Plastic even sounds better.

Usually there is AC in doors though :)

Yeah what  :eek:

Now, touch a plastic surface, and then a metal surface, like the case of your computer. Both have the same temperature, but the metal one will appear much more cold because it sucks the heat of your fingers at a much faster rate thus appearing to be much colder. And in facts it behaves like it is much colder, because your hands at the end will be noticeably colder.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended)
Post by: iliketimex on Thu, 31 January 2019, 14:47:16
In reference to the gasket, normally gaskets are custom cut to shape and flat. Not to be overly critical but just adding a round piece of rubber in the kit doesn't add much value. Rubber gaskets can be laser cut but tend to be expensive.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended)
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 31 January 2019, 15:00:49
In reference to the gasket, normally gaskets are custom cut to shape and flat. Not to be overly critical but just adding a round piece of rubber in the kit doesn't add much value. Rubber gaskets can be laser cut but tend to be expensive.

Agree with you. G60 was not initially designed to be a Gasket mount board, but top/tray dual mount. It's just people are requesting that in discord and Scott experimented and found pretty good results :)

Consider it a freebie bonus :)
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended)
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 01 February 2019, 12:43:51
In reference to the gasket, normally gaskets are custom cut to shape and flat. Not to be overly critical but just adding a round piece of rubber in the kit doesn't add much value. Rubber gaskets can be laser cut but tend to be expensive.

Agree with you. G60 was not initially designed to be a Gasket mount board, but top/tray dual mount. It's just people are requesting that in discord and Scott experimented and found pretty good results :)

Consider it a freebie bonus :)

That said, the rubber rings installed on the screws (both sides) definitely make a significant difference in sound, less metal resonance
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended)
Post by: tex_live_utility on Fri, 01 February 2019, 13:20:48
In reference to the gasket, normally gaskets are custom cut to shape and flat. Not to be overly critical but just adding a round piece of rubber in the kit doesn't add much value. Rubber gaskets can be laser cut but tend to be expensive.

Agree with you. G60 was not initially designed to be a Gasket mount board, but top/tray dual mount. It's just people are requesting that in discord and Scott experimented and found pretty good results :)

Consider it a freebie bonus :)

So what effect does the gasket actually have? Does it deaden the sound or something?
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended)
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 01 February 2019, 14:50:08
In reference to the gasket, normally gaskets are custom cut to shape and flat. Not to be overly critical but just adding a round piece of rubber in the kit doesn't add much value. Rubber gaskets can be laser cut but tend to be expensive.

Agree with you. G60 was not initially designed to be a Gasket mount board, but top/tray dual mount. It's just people are requesting that in discord and Scott experimented and found pretty good results :)

Consider it a freebie bonus :)

So what effect does the gasket actually have? Does it deaden the sound or something?

Part of the kit you will have the correct sizes rubber rings and they will increase flex and dampen the metal sound.

The gasket mounted on the pcb I’m not sure I will report something concrete  when I get a prototype
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended)
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 03 February 2019, 13:01:05
G60 working with an iPhone, lag is minimal :)

The dual mode PCB is designed by Scott (with QMK). And it will ship with VIA support (convenient keymap change and on-the-fly keymap update written to EEPROM).

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Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended)
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Sun, 03 February 2019, 18:29:48
Just joined, it'll be perfect for the office :D
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended)
Post by: GrannyRimJobs on Sun, 03 February 2019, 18:43:33
Do you have any pictures of the no blocker version?
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended)
Post by: RETURNISO on Sun, 03 February 2019, 18:55:50
Do you have any pictures of the no blocker version?

Check these.. ;)

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[attach=2]

[attach=3]
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended)
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 03 February 2019, 20:22:30
Instructions on using VIA configurator to set keymap for G60's dual-mode PCB

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Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended)
Post by: scottwei on Tue, 05 February 2019, 01:39:49
Happy Chinese New Year!  Gong Xi Fa Cai!

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Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: djaeyun on Tue, 05 February 2019, 23:56:12
Hey Scott, any chance I can cancel my order that I paid for? Turns out I need the funds more than I thought.. :(
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 06 February 2019, 21:43:28
Hey Scott, any chance I can cancel my order that I paid for? Turns out I need the funds more than I thought.. :(

Please PM Scott in discord if you are in there :)
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott — G60 - 60% Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended)
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 06 February 2019, 21:43:52
Happy Chinese New Year!  Gong Xi Fa Cai!

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happy new year :)
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: Dawn on Thu, 07 February 2019, 18:25:56
Just joined the group buy. I fell in love with the Pink and I love HHKB :) (plus I need a new home board)
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 08 February 2019, 10:44:53
Just joined the group buy. I fell in love with the Pink and I love HHKB :) (plus I need a new home board)

The HHKB is dope!
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 08 February 2019, 21:09:43
Just confirming I was able to connect even 20 meters apart from the computer (using a pc plate in my case). Took my laptop for a meeting earlier today in another building and restarted the laptop, auto-connected to BIOI G60 BLE. Dang, that was amazing.

Also, using Bluetooth has practically no lag at all. The VIA configurator was awesome too, IMO every customized keyboard should adopt the VIA software.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: LightningXI on Sat, 09 February 2019, 17:43:19
IMO every customized keyboard should adopt the VIA software.

+1 I wish we just had a standardized system for everything.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: crd on Sat, 09 February 2019, 21:45:47
I have faith that VIA will get there :)
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: kitimon on Mon, 11 February 2019, 03:38:26
Hey, I submitted a form but haven't paid the invoice yet, and I would like to change my mind for some of the options on the board. Would it be possible to delete my current choices so I can submit a new form? Thanks.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: voight-kampff on Mon, 11 February 2019, 08:03:22
Hey, I submitted a form but haven't paid the invoice yet, and I would like to change my mind for some of the options on the board. Would it be possible to delete my current choices so I can submit a new form? Thanks.
Sorry but I have the same problem. I would also like to know what to do in this case.
Thanks

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Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: tanega on Mon, 11 February 2019, 15:58:37
I think drop a pm to scott on the discord channel.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: nasp on Mon, 11 February 2019, 20:16:02
Say one was to use this PCB in another case, would you be able to charge it with the main USB connector on the PCB, or does charging the battery only work when plugged into the other connector that is attached to the daughterboard? Or perhaps both connectors on the PCB charge the battery?
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 12 February 2019, 00:38:44
Say one was to use this PCB in another case, would you be able to charge it with the main USB connector on the PCB, or does charging the battery only work when plugged into the other connector that is attached to the daughterboard? Or perhaps both connectors on the PCB charge the battery?

Any connector should charge the battery

Scott, correct me if I am wrong.

This PCB priced @ $42 is a steal.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 12 February 2019, 00:40:24
Hey, I submitted a form but haven't paid the invoice yet, and I would like to change my mind for some of the options on the board. Would it be possible to delete my current choices so I can submit a new form? Thanks.

Yeah just submit a new form or/and PM Scott. I think he is traveling these 2 days with his GF. Should be back online shortly.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: scottwei on Tue, 12 February 2019, 08:45:43
Say one was to use this PCB in another case, would you be able to charge it with the main USB connector on the PCB, or does charging the battery only work when plugged into the other connector that is attached to the daughterboard? Or perhaps both connectors on the PCB charge the battery?

Yes, the battery is charged by the USB port of the PCB, there is a Li-Po battery charging management chip on board. It can be used on other case but you have to find your way to install battery.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: scottwei on Tue, 12 February 2019, 08:49:22
Hey, I submitted a form but haven't paid the invoice yet, and I would like to change my mind for some of the options on the board. Would it be possible to delete my current choices so I can submit a new form? Thanks.

Just leave me a personal message at GH or the discord,  and I’m sorry I have to process it later, as Oldcat said I’m on a unexpected travel these days.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: djhyro on Tue, 12 February 2019, 12:58:07
Is there an option to add an extra upper case of a different configuration?
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 12 February 2019, 13:27:10
Is there an option to add an extra upper case of a different configuration?

Haven't thought about this -- maybe send Scott a PM (or a discord message)?
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: lakeboredom on Tue, 12 February 2019, 22:00:12
I know this case supports different pcb, but will the pcb fit in standard gh60 cases?
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: Dawn on Wed, 13 February 2019, 16:04:02
Tempted to get a red one now and take an old honeywell terminal and SA honeywell and have a fun project in a few months.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: RETURNISO on Wed, 13 February 2019, 16:18:27
I know this case supports different pcb, but will the pcb fit in standard gh60 cases?

Yes!
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: RETURNISO on Wed, 13 February 2019, 16:19:04
Tempted to get a red one now and take an old honeywell terminal and SA honeywell and have a fun project in a few months.

Yees!!
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: lakeboredom on Wed, 13 February 2019, 17:12:04
I know this case supports different pcb, but will the pcb fit in standard gh60 cases?

Yes!
Thank you. Is this the best option for bluetooth 60 with arrowkeys? seems like it..
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: RETURNISO on Wed, 13 February 2019, 17:19:28
I know this case supports different pcb, but will the pcb fit in standard gh60 cases?

Yes!
Thank you. Is this the best option for bluetooth 60 with arrowkeys? seems like it..

Yes atm this is properly your best bet for a gh60 compat Bluetooth PCB with arrow keys + VIA configurable  :cool:
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: F2F4 on Wed, 13 February 2019, 18:36:30
Could I not get a dz60 to make this split spacebar?
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: RETURNISO on Wed, 13 February 2019, 19:01:37
 :)
Could I not get a dz60 to make this split spacebar?

Yes, but it would only work if you source your own plate that supports split spacebar, furthermore you would be limited to the tray mount option. But it's possible!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: nasp on Wed, 13 February 2019, 19:05:55
This will be a good keyboard to actually see the difference between top and tray mount, granted everything else is kept the same. I'm looking forward to it.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: Lyle88 on Wed, 13 February 2019, 19:16:27
Just filled out the form last night. Should I expect a confirmation email?

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Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: F2F4 on Wed, 13 February 2019, 19:46:26
:)
Could I not get a dz60 to make this split spacebar?

Yes, but it would only work if you source your own plate that supports split spacebar, furthermore you would be limited to the tray mount option. But it's possible!  :thumb:

https://kbdfans.cn/products/dz60-cnc-aluminum-plate?variant=2208864567309

So will this plate + DZ60 work for a splitted spacebar layout in your case?
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: scottwei on Wed, 13 February 2019, 21:15:01
:)
Could I not get a dz60 to make this split spacebar?

Yes, but it would only work if you source your own plate that supports split spacebar, furthermore you would be limited to the tray mount option. But it's possible!  :thumb:

https://kbdfans.cn/products/dz60-cnc-aluminum-plate?variant=2208864567309

So will this plate + DZ60 work for a splitted spacebar layout in your case?


Works with tray mount, if you need a top mounted plate, I can provide a custom plate in carbon fiber or PC
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: scottwei on Wed, 13 February 2019, 21:17:53
Just filled out the form last night. Should I expect a confirmation email?

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Thank you so much for supporting G60, Due to some personal reasons I can’t process the invoices these days, the invoice email might comes a little bit later.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 13 February 2019, 21:44:16
Just filled out the form last night. Should I expect a confirmation email?

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Scott is traveling in Macau right now. He said he will be back in 30 hours will send an invoice soon.

Edit: see Scott's message above.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: Lyle88 on Wed, 13 February 2019, 22:14:14
Just filled out the form last night. Should I expect a confirmation email?

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Thank you so much for supporting G60, Due to some personal reasons I can’t process the invoices these days, the invoice email might comes a little bit later.
Cool thanks

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Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: Rayndalf on Wed, 13 February 2019, 23:50:19
Any idea if the case (with HHKB blockers) could fit a boardwalk PCB?
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: lakeboredom on Thu, 14 February 2019, 01:41:05
I know this case supports different pcb, but will the pcb fit in standard gh60 cases?

Yes!
Thank you. Is this the best option for bluetooth 60 with arrowkeys? seems like it..

Yes atm this is properly your best bet for a gh60 compat Bluetooth PCB with arrow keys + VIA configurable  :cool:
So helpful thankyou. Thanks for making me look up VIA configurator geeze. Gonna have to put in rgb leds now.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: nasp on Thu, 14 February 2019, 01:48:53
Any idea if the case (with HHKB blockers) could fit a boardwalk PCB?


Yes it should be able to since it accepts tray mount
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: lakeboredom on Thu, 14 February 2019, 02:10:55
I know this case supports different pcb, but will the pcb fit in standard gh60 cases?

Yes!
Thank you. Is this the best option for bluetooth 60 with arrowkeys? seems like it..

Yes atm this is properly your best bet for a gh60 compat Bluetooth PCB with arrow keys + VIA configurable  :cool:
I should not get this plate though, correct? This will be my first 60%, I'm sure it's obvious to experienced builders, but the pic made it look like the plate is for case mount only and I'll need a DZ60 plate to use the pcb in my grid as a traymount?
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: crd on Thu, 14 February 2019, 09:34:52
Quote
I should not get this plate though, correct? This will be my first 60%, I'm sure it's obvious to experienced builders, but the pic made it look like the plate is for case mount only and I'll need a DZ60 plate to use the pcb in my grid as a traymount?

If you're planning to tray mount your own PCB then you may use whichever universal GH60 compatible plate you want. The plates on offer in this GB are specifically for mounting to the top half of the case. Tray mount means that your PCB is secured to the bottom half of the case on threaded standoff posts.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: Rayndalf on Thu, 14 February 2019, 11:48:53
If I get the carbon fiber plate do I get to select a color?
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: RETURNISO on Thu, 14 February 2019, 12:16:20
If I get the carbon fiber plate do I get to select a color?

Just black for CF.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: Rayndalf on Thu, 14 February 2019, 12:19:14
Good. I hate making choices (especially when I don't have something in mind I'm trying to match) and this it my first real custom, but I love the lines of the G80 series and this thing is just adorable

I still can't decide between NCR grey and Everest white (beige) but I'm leaning toward NCR because I have OG beige boards, but no industrial grey ones
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: RETURNISO on Thu, 14 February 2019, 12:43:34
Good. I hate making choices (especially when I don't have something in mind I'm trying to match) and this it my first real custom, but I love the lines of the G80 series and this thing is just adorable

I still can't decide between NCR grey and Everest white (beige) but I'm leaning toward NCR because I have OG beige boards, but no industrial grey ones

Haha, yes the g60 is tough in choices, Black CF looks dope with so many choices. So all safe there.

Yeah the g80 series is just a clean classic design. I really look forward to the g60! Talk about a perfect first custom choice ;)

Everest White is WHITE and not beige, so if it can help you make a choice, go with the NCR White, which should be a more toned down white/grey to match the old "beige"
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: Rayndalf on Thu, 14 February 2019, 13:03:00
Yeah, I went with NCR grey. It'll be harder to match keysets to than silver, but the two tone look from the side looks so sharp that I'll just have to track down something retro
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: anfledd on Thu, 14 February 2019, 13:31:23
Anybody know if this PCB would work?
https://kbdfans.cn/collections/60/products/dz60rgb-hot-swap-custom-keyboard-pcb
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: RETURNISO on Thu, 14 February 2019, 13:32:53
Yeah, I went with NCR grey. It'll be harder to match keysets to than silver, but the two tone look from the side looks so sharp that I'll just have to track down something retro

It do look sharp! A nice choice 👌
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: RETURNISO on Thu, 14 February 2019, 13:43:17
Anybody know if this PCB would work?
https://kbdfans.cn/collections/60/products/dz60rgb-hot-swap-custom-keyboard-pcb

The layout works with the universal plate option, but I don't know if the kalih hotswaps sockets could interfere with the hight tolerance between the PCB and the traymounts. But your properly OK. I think OP mentioned he would change traymounts screw to m2.5 to have a little more space in there for HS PCBs.

Let's see when OP comes back from CNY, hopefully he can explain it more in detail  ^-^
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: anfledd on Thu, 14 February 2019, 14:01:15
Well, I'm in for No Blocker/White/White/Carbon Fiber, I can figure out the PCB situation later.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: RETURNISO on Thu, 14 February 2019, 14:10:01
Well, I'm in for No Blocker/White/White/Carbon Fiber, I can figure out the PCB situation later.


Nice! A recommendation would be to get a extra plate as they are pretty ( REALLY ) cheap in this GB, + The g60 PCB. You will be happy in the long run ;)
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: Rayndalf on Thu, 14 February 2019, 14:48:02
How long does it typically take to get confirmation after filling out the form? I'd really hate to miss something obvious and fail to place my order
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: anfledd on Thu, 14 February 2019, 14:52:33
Good call, I probably could use just a regular back up plate, whenever @scottwei is back I will need to update the invoice.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: RETURNISO on Thu, 14 February 2019, 14:53:58
How long does it typically take to get confirmation after filling out the form? I'd really hate to miss something obvious and fail to place my order

Just filled out the form last night. Should I expect a confirmation email?

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Thank you so much for supporting G60, Due to some personal reasons I can’t process the invoices these days, the invoice email might comes a little bit later.

OP is out of town ( CNY )
If you filled out the form you are good  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: RETURNISO on Thu, 14 February 2019, 14:59:15
Good call, I probably could use just a regular back up plate, whenever @scottwei is back I will need to update the invoice.

Just PM him here or on discord :)
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: rymnd6c28 on Fri, 15 February 2019, 01:10:39
Been eyeing this from insta and here, literally my perfect board except its layout. ALF is killing it lately.

Hopefully there will be G75  :)) :))
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: KeyCap75 on Fri, 15 February 2019, 04:43:13
Hopefully there will be G75  :)) :))

Uhhhhh...a G75 would be amazing!!!!  :thumb: :D
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: Lyle88 on Fri, 15 February 2019, 05:12:53
Hopefully there will be G75  :)) :))

Uhhhhh...a G75 would be amazing!!!!  :thumb: :D
Name checks out..

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Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: scottwei on Fri, 15 February 2019, 15:20:34
Thank you everyone :cool: the group buy is closing to the end, please submit your form before 0:00 PST Feb 16. If you have received your invoice, please check it and pay it before 0:00 PST Feb 21.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: Lyle88 on Fri, 15 February 2019, 15:55:49
Thank you everyone :cool: the group buy is closing to the end, please submit your form before 0:00 PST Feb 16. If you have received your invoice, please check it and pay it before 0:00 PST Feb 21.
Is there supposed to be shipping fee on the invoice? Mine just shows the basic kit + 5% fee

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Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: Rayndalf on Fri, 15 February 2019, 16:30:21
Is there supposed to be shipping fee on the invoice?
I was also wondering this. I know this board is "plenty expensive" already, but I didn't think free shipping was the norm for group buys
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 15 February 2019, 17:22:35
Thank you everyone :cool: the group buy is closing to the end, please submit your form before 0:00 PST Feb 16. If you have received your invoice, please check it and pay it before 0:00 PST Feb 21.
Is there supposed to be shipping fee on the invoice? Mine just shows the basic kit + 5% fee

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I think shipping will be billed when the board is ready to ship - at which time users who joined also had an opportunity to change the address if needed I think.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: nudoh on Fri, 15 February 2019, 17:49:04
Just joined. Will be my first GB. Expecting great things  :)
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: RETURNISO on Fri, 15 February 2019, 17:51:52
Just joined. Will be my first GB. Expecting great things  :)

Congrats :eek: Great choice for a first GB!
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: scottwei on Sat, 16 February 2019, 02:16:29
 :thumb:Thank you guys! the group buy ended. the spreadsheet is up to date now.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 16 February 2019, 11:55:26
Thanks everyone for making G60 Group Buy a success!
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: lakeboredom on Sat, 16 February 2019, 20:19:50
Looks like I can't buy pcb only. Anyone willing to add one and sell it to me on arrival? I'll pay shipping and paypal fees plus bonus for your trouble. PM me here or on reddit same name.
edit: found someone!
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 17 February 2019, 15:34:40
Looks like I can't buy pcb only. Anyone willing to add one and sell it to me on arrival? I'll pay shipping and paypal fees plus bonus for your trouble. PM me here or on reddit same name.

Did you check with Scott? But still, I guess shipping one PCB from China will still be quite expensive.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: lakeboredom on Sun, 17 February 2019, 18:51:01
Still waiting to hear back after offering to pay extra for pcb only.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: nasp on Sun, 17 February 2019, 18:54:19
Scott told me a few days ago that shipping just one PCB would be $20-$30. However there might be a GB in the near future for just the PCB.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: Rayndalf on Sun, 17 February 2019, 19:00:53
Looks like I can't buy pcb only. Anyone willing to add one and sell it to me on arrival? I'll pay shipping and paypal fees plus bonus for your trouble. PM me here or on reddit same name.
I could try to add a second PCB to my order and then forward it to you and (assuming you're in the US) it could be cheaper than ordering one yourself, but I don't know if its too late to edit orders
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 17 February 2019, 20:18:36
Scott told me a few days ago that shipping just one PCB would be $20-$30. However there might be a GB in the near future for just the PCB.

Yeah there is usually a base fee for shipping, making shipping PCB too expensive for what it's worth
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: lakeboredom on Mon, 18 February 2019, 00:26:21
Dang thats a lot. Guess I'll have to wait for the pcb GB.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: scottwei on Wed, 20 February 2019, 04:51:31
Thank you for all your interest in and support for G60. It is a keyboard I hold dear in my heart and spent lots of time on, and I’m so happy this GB is a success and we are able to bring premium boards at an affordable price to our friends. We have received a total of 135 orders, and currently 135 invoices were sent and 85 have paid.
Further, we will collect shipping cost right before we ship out, and address changes can be made at that time. If no address change request is made, we will ship to the PayPal address on the invoice. Again, thank you so much and Go G60! :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: Lyle88 on Wed, 20 February 2019, 06:34:18
Thank you for all your interest in and support for G60. It is a keyboard I hold dear in my heart and spent lots of time on, and I’m so happy this GB is a success and we are able to bring premium boards at an affordable price to our friends. We have received a total of 135 orders, and currently 135 invoices were sent and 85 have paid.
Further, we will collect shipping cost right before we ship out, and address changes can be made at that time. If no address change request is made, we will ship to the PayPal address on the invoice. Again, thank you so much and Go G60! :thumb:
Can everyone *edit* hurry up and pay their invoices

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Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: crowKAKAWWW on Wed, 20 February 2019, 11:35:05
Wow, that's a surprising amount of unpaid invoices :O
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: ihalatch on Wed, 20 February 2019, 21:11:47
Is it too late to join?
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 20 February 2019, 22:06:45
Is it too late to join?

Will need to pm Scott I think. Join the discord if you haven't!
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: Lyle88 on Mon, 25 February 2019, 06:34:44
Is it too late to join?

Will need to pm Scott I think. Join the discord if you haven't!
Can you post the link to join the discord? I can't seem to join using the one at the top of this thread..

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Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: RETURNISO on Mon, 25 February 2019, 08:07:17
Is it too late to join?

Will need to pm Scott I think. Join the discord if you haven't!
Can you post the link to join the discord? I can't seem to join using the one at the top of this thread..

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Check Oldcats signature ;)
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Extended to 2/15)
Post by: RETURNISO on Mon, 25 February 2019, 08:08:21
Hopefully there will be G75  :)) :))

Uhhhhh...a G75 would be amazing!!!!  :thumb: :D

NO, there have to be a vote on that! i call 1800 :p
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: Lyle88 on Mon, 25 February 2019, 15:13:39
Is it too late to join?

Will need to pm Scott I think. Join the discord if you haven't!
Can you post the link to join the discord? I can't seem to join using the one at the top of this thread..

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Check Oldcats signature ;)
Thanks - that wasn't showing up on the Tapatalk app..

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Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: obtuse on Wed, 06 March 2019, 09:31:24
Wish I could get one of every color  :p Pearlwhite will be awesome though, now just to figure out what keycaps ...
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 06 March 2019, 15:43:18
Wish I could get one of every color  :p Pearlwhite will be awesome though, now just to figure out what keycaps ...

GMK Minimal currently in GB stage....
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 06 March 2019, 15:44:12
Is it too late to join?

Will need to pm Scott I think. Join the discord if you haven't!
Can you post the link to join the discord? I can't seem to join using the one at the top of this thread..

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Check Oldcats signature ;)
Thanks - that wasn't showing up on the Tapatalk app..

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https://discord.gg/jk9kk4
Link to G60 GB Discord
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: obtuse on Thu, 07 March 2019, 03:01:24
Wish I could get one of every color  :p Pearlwhite will be awesome though, now just to figure out what keycaps ...

GMK Minimal currently in GB stage....

 :'( :'( Currently getting used to dvorak due to hand and wrist pains, so no more non-DSA for me (as long as I care about legends). But it does look great  :-\
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: tanega on Thu, 07 March 2019, 08:48:57
Dsa milkshake would be nice with the white case.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: AjsKnox on Mon, 18 March 2019, 15:31:35
Is it possible to get a current add for the discord group please
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: RETURNISO on Mon, 18 March 2019, 15:36:03
Is it too late to join?

Will need to pm Scott I think. Join the discord if you haven't!
Can you post the link to join the discord? I can't seem to join using the one at the top of this thread..

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Check Oldcats signature ;)
Thanks - that wasn't showing up on the Tapatalk app..

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https://discord.gg/jk9kk4
Link to G60 GB Discord

Is it possible to get a current add for the discord group please

Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: Rayndalf on Mon, 18 March 2019, 15:38:20
He's fast
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: AjsKnox on Mon, 18 March 2019, 15:40:40
I've tried that link it's saying it's expired, hence the query
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 18 March 2019, 15:41:53
I've tried that link it's saying it's expired, hence the query

Here you go, my friend: https://discord.gg/8tAsvCe
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: AjsKnox on Mon, 18 March 2019, 15:44:10
I've tried that link it's saying it's expired, hence the query

Here you go, my friend: https://discord.gg/8tAsvCe

Thanks for the link
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 18 March 2019, 15:44:30
I've tried that link it's saying it's expired, hence the query

Here you go, my friend: https://discord.gg/8tAsvCe

Thanks for the link

:)
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: RETURNISO on Mon, 18 March 2019, 18:20:40
I've tried that link it's saying it's expired, hence the query

Oh! **** sorry mate..  ^-^  Happy oldcat hooked you up!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: Lyle88 on Fri, 29 March 2019, 09:04:14
This is probably a stupid question, but for the HHKB layout the spacebar is 7u right?
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: fine_italian_leather on Fri, 29 March 2019, 10:08:19
This is probably a stupid question, but for the HHKB layout the spacebar is 7u right?

yes
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: scottwei on Tue, 02 April 2019, 20:03:06
This is probably a stupid question, but for the HHKB layout the spacebar is 7u right?

Yes, HHKB layout with 7u spacebar is actually sharing the mount holes with the WKL layout, or we have to add 3 more mount holes to the PCB which already have tons of holes on row 5.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: equalunique on Wed, 03 April 2019, 00:45:18
Yep I regret not getting in on this when I had the chance lol

A dark grey and/or blue HHKB one would have been fantastic

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Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: scottwei on Mon, 08 April 2019, 21:37:19
Friends in the G60 Group buy, Do please check the spreadsheet for your order, if there is something wrong, please contact me:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19Uc5DbftFkrow9kMdV-zjaNAkoEjvyF4uyKX8Gzlz8g (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19Uc5DbftFkrow9kMdV-zjaNAkoEjvyF4uyKX8Gzlz8g)
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: Lyle88 on Sat, 13 April 2019, 10:10:04
How is the projected timeline looking?

Has everyone paid?

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Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: scottwei on Thu, 25 April 2019, 11:10:26
G60 GB Status Update: Since the ALF suspended all the production and moving there factory to a new place from late March to early April, they still can not bring back their productivity untill now. G60s are pending for production, so the delay seems almost for sure, I think it will be a month more even if everything goes well after this.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: geewizwow on Wed, 01 May 2019, 12:34:01
I'm sure the people here would appreciate a statement about the situation currently unfolding on the Alf Discord.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 01 May 2019, 12:42:13
I'm sure the people here would appreciate a statement about the situation currently unfolding on the Alf Discord.

I am talking to Scott, and will have him issue a statement here.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: lightsout714 on Wed, 01 May 2019, 13:00:02
These boards look really sweet!
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: scottwei on Thu, 02 May 2019, 00:20:43
Hello everyone, for the current situation with ALF manufacturing, G60 could be affected. To ensure your board will be satisfactorily delivered, I am considering options to either stay with ALF or change a manufacturer. Thank you for your patience, and I will make sure the boards will be fulfilled.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Thu, 02 May 2019, 10:57:58
Hello everyone, for the current situation with ALF manufacturing, G60 could be affected. To ensure your board will be satisfactorily delivered, I am considering options to either stay with ALF or change a manufacturer. Thank you for your patience, and I will make sure the boards will be fulfilled.

What exactly is the situation?
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: fer.real on Thu, 02 May 2019, 11:41:21
Hello everyone, for the current situation with ALF manufacturing, G60 could be affected. To ensure your board will be satisfactorily delivered, I am considering options to either stay with ALF or change a manufacturer. Thank you for your patience, and I will make sure the boards will be fulfilled.

What exactly is the situation?

TL;DR ALF Made some counterfeit boards, got caught and quit;

Full version:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/bj379j/newspls_be_cautious_to_trade_matrix_1012/
https://www.zfrontier.com/post/detail/13742

There is also discussion on the ALF discord channel (now renamed KeyCommerce).
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Thu, 02 May 2019, 12:46:49
Hello everyone, for the current situation with ALF manufacturing, G60 could be affected. To ensure your board will be satisfactorily delivered, I am considering options to either stay with ALF or change a manufacturer. Thank you for your patience, and I will make sure the boards will be fulfilled.

What exactly is the situation?

TL;DR ALF Made some counterfeit boards, got caught and quit;

Full version:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/bj379j/newspls_be_cautious_to_trade_matrix_1012/
https://www.zfrontier.com/post/detail/13742

There is also discussion on the ALF discord channel (now renamed KeyCommerce).

Maybe MatrixLabs can make the G60 =)
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: regionfree on Fri, 03 May 2019, 02:34:13
i would like to withdraw from the GB. is it possible?
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Fri, 03 May 2019, 07:02:02
If manufacturing hasn't started, can I order an extra brass plate?
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: iliketimex on Fri, 03 May 2019, 09:57:19
Based on the amount of drama related to Alf lately, please reply with a plan of action once things get sorted out, which is hopefully soon. For example, who is going to manufacture and a timeline. If a new manu is chosen, the whole prototyping stage has to occur again which is a huge delay. Sad.  :(

As an aside, really disappointing to have this happen - Alf is sitting on an order from 100 people and now the GB is in question.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: tanega on Fri, 03 May 2019, 10:08:04
Latest new by Scott on discord:

Quote
ALF is still wiling to finish the G60, and he guarantee the manufacturing will start in 10 days. this is all up to us, if we're willing to change to a new factory, he will accept it.

Discord invite : https://discord.gg/aKEbPVX
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: Lyle88 on Fri, 03 May 2019, 10:08:51
Based on the amount of drama related to Alf lately, please reply with a plan of action once things get sorted out, which is hopefully soon. For example, who is going to manufacture and a timeline. If a new manu is chosen, the whole prototyping stage has to occur again which is a huge delay. Sad.  :(

As an aside, really disappointing to have this happen - Alf is sitting on an order from 100 people and now the GB is in question.
As long as scottwei is confident that ALF can still deliver a quality product, I'm happy to stick with them. Not particularly keen to go through more waiting

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Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: MajorKoos on Fri, 03 May 2019, 16:35:59
I'm all for sticking with ALF for manufacture too.
I don't see anyone complaining about the quality of the products they produce regardless of the lineage of the design.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: scottwei on Sun, 05 May 2019, 12:26:03
Hi, Everyone, G60 will continue to be manufatured by ALF. the delay might cause runing out of PayPal's 180 days buyer protection, I hope we can keep waiting until G60 is ready for ship. If this is not acceptable, I can give you a refund. Sorry but I can't process something like a re-invoice. Good luck with G60! :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 05 May 2019, 12:39:10
Hi, Everyone, G60 will continue to be manufatured by ALF. the delay might cause runing out of PayPal's 180 days buyer protection, I hope we can keep waiting until G60 is ready for ship. If this is not acceptable, I can give you a refund. Sorry but I can't process something like a re-invoice. Good luck with G60! :thumb:

Pls note that paypal’s new policy is that when refunds are issues, fees charged by PayPal are no longer refunded, not sure to seller or buyer, but either way this will need to be figured out.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 05 May 2019, 12:47:01
In case anyone is interested in reading the full PayPal policy update:

https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/upcoming-policies-full
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: anonymous on Mon, 06 May 2019, 03:28:19
Anyone who ordered black w/o blockers and wants to cancel?
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: befbef on Mon, 06 May 2019, 06:25:50
Is it possible to cancel the order?
My preferences changed.
It has nothing to do with the ALF situation.
I have every confidence in Scott, he's doing great work and perfect communcation.

If cancellation isn't possible:
Anybody interested in a spot for a white hhkb with brass weight?
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: scottwei on Mon, 06 May 2019, 07:28:22
Yeah, Please contact me if you would like to cancel your order.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: tanega on Wed, 08 May 2019, 09:28:49
Pls note that paypal’s new policy is that when refunds are issues, fees charged by PayPal are no longer refunded, not sure to seller or buyer, but either way this will need to be figured out.

The fees aren't refunded to the seller (no change for the buyer).
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: equalunique on Thu, 09 May 2019, 00:41:28
Since there is a delay in manufacturing, is it still possible to order a blue hhkb G60?

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Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: mike873 on Thu, 09 May 2019, 08:59:12
I would also like to know.

Since there is a delay in manufacturing, is it still possible to order a blue hhkb G60?

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Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: Cods on Fri, 10 May 2019, 21:25:09
I’d also be interested in joining if possible!

Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: pan on Fri, 31 May 2019, 06:12:39
Hi, can we get an update on this GB? The link to the Discord chat no longer works.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: AjsKnox on Fri, 31 May 2019, 06:25:45
Hi, can we get an update on this GB? The link to the Discord chat no longer works.
https://discord.gg/dEvm7e
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: Tyson on Mon, 24 June 2019, 14:19:34
Were these keyboards ever made I'd love to get one of the WKL onces!
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: RETURNISO on Mon, 24 June 2019, 15:02:57
Were these keyboards ever made I'd love to get one of the WKL onces!

GB has concluded, they are in the manufacturing fase atm  :cool:
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: lightsout714 on Tue, 25 June 2019, 17:18:03
Were these keyboards ever made I'd love to get one of the WKL onces!
Me too these things are sick!
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: andy74 on Wed, 26 June 2019, 01:36:00
Were these keyboards ever made I'd love to get one of the WKL onces!

GB has concluded, they are in the manufacturing fase atm  :cool:

Any plans for a second round?
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: cronohack on Fri, 12 July 2019, 15:50:30
Hi, is Scott responding to you guys lately? I'm trying to reach him but no reply.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: anfledd on Fri, 12 July 2019, 16:15:10
I have not tried, but I have not heard anything either.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: RETURNISO on Sat, 13 July 2019, 05:09:33
Hi, is Scott responding to you guys lately? I'm trying to reach him but no reply.

Did you try write to him on Discord?

This should be the direct link to the discord server: https://discord.gg/TTcFDPM
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: Lyle88 on Sat, 13 July 2019, 05:13:52
Hi, is Scott responding to you guys lately? I'm trying to reach him but no reply.

Did you try write to him on Discord?

This should be the direct link to the discord server: https://discord.gg/TTcFDPM
My guess is he is quite busy. There have only been occasional updates in the discord channel. He did respond to my order for additional PCB quite quickly though

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Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: cronohack on Sat, 13 July 2019, 17:59:14
Hi, is Scott responding to you guys lately? I'm trying to reach him but no reply.

Did you try write to him on Discord?

This should be the direct link to the discord server: https://discord.gg/TTcFDPM
My guess is he is quite busy. There have only been occasional updates in the discord channel. He did respond to my order for additional PCB quite quickly though

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I see, I'll try discord. It's my first time to join a GB and after paying the invoice I didn't get any response or updates on the order status in the g sheet. It's almost a week so I'm just a bit worried if this is normal. I guess he's pretty busy. Thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Close Order)
Post by: scottwei on Thu, 18 July 2019, 11:04:28
Sorry guys, I was too busy to update on this post and the spreadsheet for a while. Here's the general progress of G60:

CNC: In progress, about 75% of the work done. 30 more WKL top cases being remake due to a CNC programming mistake.
Coating: Not Started yet.
PCB: On SMT progress.
Plate: All non-matel plates done.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (In Production)
Post by: hineybush on Sun, 11 August 2019, 15:04:23
Any updates?
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (In Production)
Post by: KyleUK on Mon, 12 August 2019, 03:11:53
Replying here as well on the situation with Alf. TLDR: He abandoned a live GB and left people without parts or boards, without any refunds. If you have any doubts get out of this GB as well.

So I'm not part of this group buy but I've only recently found out Alf is still manufacturing. I am part of the x1.1 group buy which is definitely not completed. People are still awaiting replacement parts and even someone who never received a board at all. After the drama about faking boards I assumed he wasn't manufacturing at all and I had to chalk this one up as a loss. But since he's still manufacturing there is absolutely no reason to abandon x1.1 and leave people hundreds of $ out of pocket.

The quality control on the brass parts for our boards was terrible they should never have shipped, plate and weight very scratched. And my board come silver when I ordered titanium grey. He promised replacement brass for everyone but barely anyone has received it. My case colour I never got a response on he was just adamant the lighting was different but I did direct comparisons with other people's boards and it it not even similar. The group buy started September something like that and was meant to run for 4-8 weeks, short GB but like 20 slots. It was march before anything started shipping. And when we realised stuff wasn't getting resolved it was well past the 6 month PayPal deadline for claims.

Whether I (or anyone else in the x1.1 GB) gets their order finally fulfilled is here nor there, what does concern me is that a well known manufacturer is able to operate like this and people are still running group buys through him. That should not happen until he's finished the other group buy or at least commited to sorting out the problems around other work.

Thanks
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (In Production)
Post by: cary on Tue, 13 August 2019, 13:38:48
Can't wait for G60!
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (In Production)
Post by: iliketimex on Fri, 13 September 2019, 14:50:14
From the discord, CNC case machining is done.

scottweiToday at 4:24 AM
@AnsonH CNC works for the cases finished.

 :D
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (In Production)
Post by: scottwei on Sun, 15 September 2019, 13:15:59
Everyone,
G60 Cases just finished sandblasting and next is anodizing, and 4mm Plates' CNC in progress.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (In Production)
Post by: macclack on Mon, 28 October 2019, 11:14:11
Any updates?
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (In Production)
Post by: scottwei on Tue, 29 October 2019, 10:10:30
Friends in this group buy please fill this form for shipping information collection and confirmation:
https://forms.gle/KbxVXpWdbFNh9Peo8 (https://forms.gle/KbxVXpWdbFNh9Peo8)
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: Fredington on Tue, 29 October 2019, 15:38:32
What are people's experiences with undervaluing?
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: Lyle88 on Tue, 29 October 2019, 15:43:05
What are people's experiences with undervaluing?
I've never done it myself and I doubt Scott will. Having said that, there are hundreds of thousands of parcels going through customs every day so unless there's a ligit invoice attached I doubt they would know the real value of a custom keyboard

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Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: tanega on Tue, 29 October 2019, 18:00:26
I doubt Scott will.

Actually there is an option in the shipping form.
I would like to know if there is any dowside with it too.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: Lyle88 on Tue, 29 October 2019, 18:07:53
I doubt Scott will.

Actually there is an option in the shipping form.
I would like to know if there is any dowside with it too.
I just filled that out and am very surprised to see this. It seems odd because I think there is a risk involved for him right?

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Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: befbef on Tue, 29 October 2019, 19:55:11
If someone wants to back out last minute: I'd like to buy your spot
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: gridds on Fri, 15 November 2019, 13:15:48
Any update available?
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: Lyle88 on Tue, 19 November 2019, 14:34:11
Any update available?
4 orders ready to send out (invoice numbers are in discord). Lots of cases sent back to ALF for various reasons (maybe anode?), Some cases and 4mm plates still waiting to be anode. It's slow going

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Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: pixelpirate on Thu, 05 December 2019, 18:27:13
If anyone is looking to backout or looking to sell, hit me up!
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: japanesehorrorwriter on Thu, 05 December 2019, 22:56:33
Where do I find my order number? For some of us, we don't know who specifically billed us for what board or overseas product. Can you tell me the PayPal address used to bill so I dont go through all of my PayPal invoices?
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: anfledd on Thu, 05 December 2019, 23:11:22
Mine has "Basic I/O Instruments"
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: japanesehorrorwriter on Fri, 06 December 2019, 18:19:01
Mine has "Basic I/O Instruments"

Huge THANK YOU. Saved me so much time, truly appreciate it.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: tanega on Wed, 11 December 2019, 10:10:02
Hi all,

After a long wait I was lucky enough to receive my unit. The shipping was extremely fast and the packing was well secured.
The quality is awesome, franckly beyond my expectations. I feared that the white would be more glossy, like a car paint, but it is really soft to the touch.

I'm sorry for all of you that are still waiting for ALF to finish ano (atm only white units are done).
I really hope you all will get yours asap. Can't wait to see how other colours looks like :thumb:

(http://i.imgur.com/GHpC14rl.jpg) (https://imgur.com/GHpC14r) (http://i.imgur.com/5MLtgWll.jpg) (https://imgur.com/5MLtgWl)

(http://i.imgur.com/PO7MtvVl.jpg) (https://imgur.com/PO7MtvV) (http://i.imgur.com/H23bExYl.jpg) (https://imgur.com/H23bExY)

(http://i.imgur.com/hPP1gRLl.jpg) (https://imgur.com/hPP1gRL) (http://i.imgur.com/2xGQRROl.jpg) (https://imgur.com/2xGQRRO)

I will use :
- Boardwalk PCB and plate
- mkultra foam
- c3 pom stab
- lubed zilent 68g
- Kat Milkshake
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: ihalatch on Mon, 06 January 2020, 06:16:59
When  are you going to ship my keyboard?
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: Lyle88 on Mon, 06 January 2020, 06:37:38
When  are you going to ship my keyboard?
Check the discord server for updates. There have not been many over the new year period so maybe there will be one soon..
https://discord.gg/WsdKavH

Edit: spelling
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Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: gridds on Mon, 09 March 2020, 23:11:40
Hi Scott, please post an update.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: Morgan3Wheeler on Mon, 06 April 2020, 17:04:22
Looking for spot with no blocker  and white color.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: Lyle88 on Mon, 06 April 2020, 19:45:11
Looking for spot with no blocker  and white color.
If you don't find a spot in the G60 GB, you may like this which is on Drop right now:
https://drop.com/buy/ryloo-studio-hello-m0110-mechanical-keyboard-kit/talk#discussions

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Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: menuhin on Sun, 26 July 2020, 04:16:00
Please post an update.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: Lyle88 on Sun, 26 July 2020, 04:22:36
Please post an update.
Everyone is looking for updates. On July 2nd Scott posted a list of parts that needed to be reworked (didn't specify if it was CNC rework or anodisation). He also mentioned after that, that he is trying to get quotes for shipping to each country. This is the list of reworks: July 2nd update https://imgur.com/a/MTeoEfO

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Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: gridds on Sun, 02 August 2020, 23:19:58
Hi Scott, it has been roughly 1 year and 5 months since the GB has ended.

If possible, please post an update regarding progress made with the international shipping quote and the current progress with remaining cases that still need to be reworked.

I am sure everyone would appreciate the information shared and an estimated timeline of when we can expect this GB to be concluded.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: gridds on Sat, 05 September 2020, 10:26:48
Scott Wei.... Update... Please...
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: gridds on Fri, 11 September 2020, 10:39:15
Still waiting for an update from Scott Wei on this GB, many of us from the international GB have not received our boards and it appears Scott is ignoring our messages/ghosted the group. If you know Scott Wei's contact number please send him a nudge and inform him that we are looking for an update...
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: Sshimosawa on Fri, 11 September 2020, 11:05:13
Please dont ghost us.


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Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: Lyle88 on Sat, 12 September 2020, 21:28:13
Friends in this group buy please fill this form for shipping information collection and confirmation:
https://forms.gle/KbxVXpWdbFNh9Peo8 (https://forms.gle/KbxVXpWdbFNh9Peo8)

Hi Scott, can you please update everyone

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Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: gridds on Thu, 24 September 2020, 20:51:39
Scott Wei...

Still waiting for an update from you...
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: hineybush on Fri, 25 September 2020, 08:09:44
nothing in 9 months. lol. gonna write this one off
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: mustcode on Tue, 24 November 2020, 09:35:36
Oh my god. It arrived on my door steps.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: macclack on Tue, 24 November 2020, 13:41:52
Oh my god. It arrived on my door steps.

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: MajorKoos on Tue, 22 December 2020, 10:19:01
Mine arrived over the weekend.
I had all the parts on hand including the batteries so I built both of them.

Built the gray one with turquoise tealios and a CF plate.
[attach=1]

[attach=2]

Built the red one with tangies and a 4mm brass plate- PVD gold :)
[attach=3]

[attach=4]

Thanks Scott & Alf for making it happen  :thumb:
Thanks past me for getting future me such a nice present  ;D
I'm gruntled.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: pixelpirate on Sat, 02 January 2021, 02:17:25
Well if anyone doesn't want their's, let me know!
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: soloplayer on Sat, 02 January 2021, 04:55:03
is ALF studio still alive?
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: menuhin on Sat, 02 January 2021, 06:20:28
is ALF studio still alive?

Kind of "banned" IIRC
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: Lyle88 on Sat, 02 January 2021, 15:16:47
is ALF studio still alive?

Kind of "banned" IIRC
I think ALF said they would stop making any more keyboards after they finish the ones they were currently involved in (this is a long time ago now). This particular a GB closed in Feb 2019 and it still waiting for some boards to ship.

If ALF have not been banned, then they probably should be.

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Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: menuhin on Sun, 03 January 2021, 16:29:23
is ALF studio still alive?

Kind of "banned" IIRC
I think ALF said they would stop making any more keyboards after they finish the ones they were currently involved in (this is a long time ago now). This particular a GB closed in Feb 2019 and it still waiting for some boards to ship.

If ALF have not been banned, then they probably should be.

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After their team was resolved they ran into more logistic problems, kind of bad luck for those who did not expect to wait that long.

For some longer running GBs, I was one of those who got into the "Xeno" 75% board GB, when "gasket mount" was no where to find yet. Can't remember when did that GB start.
Title: Re: [GB] ALF x Scott - G60 Retro Multi-mount Dual-mode Keyboard (Pending Shipment)
Post by: Fredington on Mon, 25 January 2021, 20:44:56
NE plate file avail?