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[IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2 - Back In Action
« on: Sat, 09 September 2017, 13:23:40 »
10/11
The GB is live at https://donutcables.com/product/gmk-royal-alpha-round-2/ and the official thread for it should be live at https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=92029 shortly. New renders and kit contents at https://imgur.com/a/iyeqe











09/21
GB will be live at https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=91686.0 once the thread is approved. For now the GB is at https://donutcables.com/product/gmk-royal-alpha-round-2/

So far everyone's just complaining about green mods costs, so I'll be working with GMK for adjusting kit contents.

09/18
Hey look, some actual renders from GMK

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Please note that these are the first renders and have some mistakes which I've correct and sent back to GMK for adjustment.


09/17
MOZ has responded and given his permission to rerun the set, so at this point in time I'm just waiting on mockups/quotes from GMK before going forward with the GB stage.


09/09
IC Form Here

This is an IC for doing a second round or rerun of GMK Royal Alpha. I see a lot of demand for this set but oh so little supply to meet that demand, leading to some outrageous prices being thrown around. In order to try and meet this demand, I'm looking to run another go of the set but with updated kit contents for more compatibility. I have messaged MOZ to ask his permission to run this since I feel that is the respectful thing to do in this case and am currently awaiting his response. If I do have their permission then I can go ahead and get a quote from GMK then move to a Sep-Oct GB period with Jan-Feb delivery date.

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2/Rerun
« Reply #1 on: Sat, 09 September 2017, 13:28:34 »
Needs a 1.5u R2 backspace with the simple arrow.

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2/Rerun
« Reply #2 on: Sat, 09 September 2017, 14:13:46 »
international kit ! :smiley:

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2/Rerun
« Reply #3 on: Sat, 09 September 2017, 14:15:45 »
Needs a 1.5u R2 backspace with the simple arrow.

I believe the \| key in the main kit is meant to cover that with the arrow sublegend.

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2/Rerun
« Reply #4 on: Sat, 09 September 2017, 14:16:58 »
international kit ! :smiley:

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2/Rerun
« Reply #5 on: Sat, 09 September 2017, 14:17:31 »
You international set is missing the angled brackets R4 cap.
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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2/Rerun
« Reply #6 on: Sat, 09 September 2017, 14:17:57 »
Can we get a doubleshot cyrillics-only optional alphas kit?

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2/Rerun
« Reply #7 on: Sat, 09 September 2017, 14:20:14 »
You international set is missing the angled brackets R4 cap.

That's because it's included as sublegends in the base kit as part of basic ISO support.

Can we get a doubleshot cyrillics-only optional alphas kit?

That's not relevant to either the first round nor the source material of this set, so no.

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2/Rerun
« Reply #8 on: Sat, 09 September 2017, 14:21:45 »
You international set is missing the angled brackets R4 cap.
That's because it's included as sublegends in the base kit as part of basic ISO support.
Sorry, didn't notice.
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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2/Rerun
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 10 September 2017, 04:06:41 »
This set needs icon mods  :( And the CODE key looks so horrible, it ruins the set. I don't understand why a round 2 can't improve a set.
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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2/Rerun
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 10 September 2017, 09:18:32 »
I always saw this as the ninja turtle set and cannot wait!


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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2/Rerun
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 10 September 2017, 10:36:43 »
This set needs icon mods  :( And the CODE key looks so horrible, it ruins the set. I don't understand why a round 2 can't improve a set.

Isnít this already corrected in all the renders in the OP?

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2/Rerun
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 10 September 2017, 10:48:09 »
Needs a 1.5u R2 backspace with the simple arrow.

I believe the \| key in the main kit is meant to cover that with the arrow sublegend.

So no chance of a primary legend?

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2/Rerun
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 10 September 2017, 12:09:35 »
Interested, but mostly in the mods.
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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2/Rerun
« Reply #14 on: Sun, 10 September 2017, 17:01:15 »
Would be so nice if the international kit goes through. Otherwise I will probably pass.

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2/Rerun
« Reply #15 on: Sun, 10 September 2017, 17:39:07 »
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I cant wait for this

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2/Rerun
« Reply #16 on: Sun, 10 September 2017, 21:46:57 »
This set needs icon mods  :( And the CODE key looks so horrible, it ruins the set. I don't understand why a round 2 can't improve a set.

Isnít this already corrected in all the renders in the OP?

You're right, I didn't notice that. But I would still hope for icon mods as it would be the OG style. 9009 round 2 is a design which would be perfect for this set too   :D
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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2/Rerun
« Reply #17 on: Sun, 10 September 2017, 22:37:17 »
The ISO \| key Alt Gr legends should be ¨¶. The ISO ~# key is redundant with the ANSI 3#, because it belongs to the UK layout. It should be `~ instead, with no Alt Gr legends.

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2/Rerun
« Reply #18 on: Mon, 11 September 2017, 02:05:16 »
This set needs icon mods  :( And the CODE key looks so horrible, it ruins the set. I don't understand why a round 2 can't improve a set.

Isnít this already corrected in all the renders in the OP?

You're right, I didn't notice that. But I would still hope for icon mods as it would be the OG style. 9009 round 2 is a design which would be perfect for this set too   :D

Cept TA Royal Alpha is from a typewriter and it DEFINITELY didn't have windows keys. The CODE keys are actually part of the original typewriter design. I Think CODE looks ugly next to the normal case other characters, but i think changing it to Code fixes the issue. It's also more accurate than adding windows keys, especially when win keys are non agnostic. I'd love a green icon mod set, an N7 set would be cool too. But that would be more an addon since it's not really TA Royal Alpha at that point. I think the real issue is it would be expensive to add redundant keys like that to the base. If it wouldn't be so hard to hit moq I'd say another mod kit with the greens reversed and symbol mods, but the odds of two modifier kits both making moq seems low to me.

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2/Rerun
« Reply #19 on: Mon, 11 September 2017, 12:27:59 »
Putting some things out so they're clear:
 - "CODE" is being adjusted to "Code" per many requests and will not be substituted with windows keys
 - While some of the sublegends on the base kit may not be perfectly correct, I'm trying to avoid changing them too much from the round 1 or the typewriter design
 - Some of the keys in the international kit may not be perfectly correct either, but I did my best to combine redundant keys for the sake of lowering cost
 - I'm hesitant to add some of the less common modifiers since it means adding one per mod kit resulting in twice the price increase overall


In other news, GMK got back to me today and is currently working on the mockup and quote for the kits, so that's good news. At this point MOZ responding favorably is the final step before GB stage.

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2/Rerun
« Reply #20 on: Mon, 11 September 2017, 18:56:01 »
Someone explain the origin of the whole "code" key thing? They replace those g'darn awful windows keys, but what does code have to do with anything?

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2/Rerun
« Reply #21 on: Mon, 11 September 2017, 20:36:10 »
I don't like the hhkb Bs implement with the sub legend. Then there's a 1u backspace but no 1u back slash.  True hhkb bs and 1u backslash is just a much better implementation. Sublegends stink.
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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2/Rerun
« Reply #22 on: Mon, 11 September 2017, 20:37:42 »
Someone explain the origin of the whole "code" key thing? They replace those g'darn awful windows keys, but what does code have to do with anything?



Note the bottom right key. It was used for things like aligning the typewriter carriage and stuff.

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2/Rerun
« Reply #23 on: Mon, 11 September 2017, 20:59:19 »
Sorry if I'm missing something, but why do you bother worrying about getting permission to run this set? To my understanding, this colorway came standard on Triumph Adler Royal Alpha typewriters. So, why do you care to get permission from someone who did not produce the original colorway? It would of course be similar to asking a previous group buy facilitator if you have the rights to run a black on white or 9009 set

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2/Rerun
« Reply #24 on: Mon, 11 September 2017, 21:43:50 »
Sorry if I'm missing something, but why do you bother worrying about getting permission to run this set? To my understanding, this colorway came standard on Triumph Adler Royal Alpha typewriters. So, why do you care to get permission from someone who did not produce the original colorway? It would of course be similar to asking a previous group buy facilitator if you have the rights to run a black on white or 9009 set

I am asking permission because I feel that is the respectful thing to do in this case. Even though the colorway itself may come from an outside source, I am acknowledging the time and effort that went into translating that source into a set design and the time that went into making sure that GMK got the design transcribed accurately. Because of MOZ's previous work, I was able to go to GMK and just say "I would like to do this thing again, but with a few additions" and went through minimal effort to reproduce the design. I did have to create the international kit myself, which took a good deal of time working with all the weird international characters in KLE, and I could appreciate the time that would have gone into translating a whole set like that. So just because MOZ did not dream up the colors himself does not mean that I cannot be respectful of his contribution of time and effort to the keyset, and that is why I'm awaiting his permission.

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2/Rerun
« Reply #25 on: Mon, 11 September 2017, 21:48:34 »
Sorry if I'm missing something, but why do you bother worrying about getting permission to run this set? To my understanding, this colorway came standard on Triumph Adler Royal Alpha typewriters. So, why do you care to get permission from someone who did not produce the original colorway? It would of course be similar to asking a previous group buy facilitator if you have the rights to run a black on white or 9009 set

I am asking permission because I feel that is the respectful thing to do in this case. Even though the colorway itself may come from an outside source, I am acknowledging the time and effort that went into translating that source into a set design and the time that went into making sure that GMK got the design transcribed accurately. Because of MOZ's previous work, I was able to go to GMK and just say "I would like to do this thing again, but with a few additions" and went through minimal effort to reproduce the design. I did have to create the international kit myself, which took a good deal of time working with all the weird international characters in KLE, and I could appreciate the time that would have gone into translating a whole set like that. So just because MOZ did not dream up the colors himself does not mean that I cannot be respectful of his contribution of time and effort to the keyset, and that is why I'm awaiting his permission.


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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2/Rerun
« Reply #26 on: Tue, 12 September 2017, 15:56:10 »
I'm totally in if this thing goes live. Really excited that there's a possibility of rerun.

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2/Rerun
« Reply #27 on: Wed, 13 September 2017, 09:38:38 »
I'm so excited to hear it. Let it be.

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2/Rerun
« Reply #28 on: Wed, 13 September 2017, 10:57:42 »
The background color for GMK Royal Alpha was always a little too white compared to the TA Royal Alpha caps it was based off of.

I know this is an interest check for a rerun, but I wonder if there might be interest for a similar set with a darker background somewhere down the line.


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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2/Rerun
« Reply #29 on: Wed, 13 September 2017, 14:37:04 »
Someone explain the origin of the whole "code" key thing? They replace those g'darn awful windows keys, but what does code have to do with anything?

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Note the bottom right key. It was used for things like aligning the typewriter carriage and stuff.

That makes sense I guess. Not interested in this, but good luck to everyone involved.

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2/Rerun
« Reply #30 on: Wed, 13 September 2017, 14:58:50 »
The background color for GMK Royal Alpha was always a little too white compared to the TA Royal Alpha caps it was based off of.

I know this is an interest check for a rerun, but I wonder if there might be interest for a similar set with a darker background somewhere down the line.

Although the colors are not faithful to the original; the OP stated that he is focused on a rerun as is. Maybe, that policy rules out any improvements.

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2/Rerun
« Reply #31 on: Wed, 13 September 2017, 15:14:11 »
The background color for GMK Royal Alpha was always a little too white compared to the TA Royal Alpha caps it was based off of.

I know this is an interest check for a rerun, but I wonder if there might be interest for a similar set with a darker background somewhere down the line.

Sometime later I would like to design a set that would use sublegends like this in order to hit as much legend compatibility as possible with a small base kit, but for this set I want to stay with the same colors as the round 1.

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2/Rerun
« Reply #32 on: Wed, 13 September 2017, 15:54:25 »
The background color for GMK Royal Alpha was always a little too white compared to the TA Royal Alpha caps it was based off of.

I know this is an interest check for a rerun, but I wonder if there might be interest for a similar set with a darker background somewhere down the line.

Sometime later I would like to design a set that would use sublegends like this in order to hit as much legend compatibility as possible with a small base kit, but for this set I want to stay with the same colors as the round 1.

That's what I gathered from reading the thread so far.  Just planting the seed for the future :)

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2/Rerun
« Reply #33 on: Fri, 15 September 2017, 16:04:41 »
http://www.strawpoll.me/13936259
New poll regarding splitting the base kit into an "Alphas" and "Mods" kit.

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2 - GMK Quote Pending
« Reply #34 on: Sun, 17 September 2017, 12:14:15 »
MOZ has responded and given his permission to rerun the set, so at this point in time I'm just waiting on mockups/quotes from GMK before going forward with the GB stage.

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2 - GMK Quote Pending
« Reply #35 on: Mon, 18 September 2017, 11:48:19 »
Hey look, some actual renders from GMK


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Please note that these are the first renders and have some mistakes which I've corrected and sent back to GMK for adjustment.

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2 - GMK Quote Pending
« Reply #36 on: Mon, 18 September 2017, 13:11:18 »
Wow! That looks great. Guess I'll be once again a wee bit more poor this fall/winter.

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2 - GMK Quote Pending
« Reply #37 on: Mon, 18 September 2017, 13:21:45 »
Might have to do the mods kit this time around and maybe mix it in with Skeltor alphas for a bit of unicorn vomit.

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2 - GMK Quote Pending
« Reply #38 on: Mon, 18 September 2017, 13:25:44 »
Could put the alphas with coniferous for whiter alphas, yes?  Same green, right?
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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2 - GMK Quote Pending
« Reply #39 on: Mon, 18 September 2017, 13:33:33 »
Could put the alphas with coniferous for whiter alphas, yes?  Same green, right?

I suppose you could. The legends are the same N7 while the sublegends are AE. Coni alphas could also be used with the Mods kit and look pretty neat.

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2 - GMK Quote Pending
« Reply #40 on: Mon, 18 September 2017, 13:38:24 »
Could put the alphas with coniferous for whiter alphas, yes?  Same green, right?

I suppose you could. The legends are the same N7 while the sublegends are AE. Coni alphas could also be used with the Mods kit and look pretty neat.

Was thinking that too.  Good stuff.  Will buy!  ROYAL CONIFEROUS!
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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2 - GMK Quote Pending
« Reply #41 on: Tue, 19 September 2017, 10:25:51 »
how about windowed led lock keys?

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2 - GMK Quote Pending
« Reply #42 on: Tue, 19 September 2017, 10:33:27 »
Are you going to run this through you site? I think one wouldnt bother with the int. kit, since it will always fail outside MD.

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2 - GMK Quote Pending
« Reply #43 on: Tue, 19 September 2017, 11:24:59 »
International Kit. Nice  :thumb:


The currency sign (§) is missing from the "4" key in International Kit (Danish/Norway/Swedish/Finnish-layout). It's such a strange sign and  it would fit perfectly in this key set. Do you think so?

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2 - GMK Quote Pending
« Reply #44 on: Tue, 19 September 2017, 11:43:12 »
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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2 - GMK Quote Pending
« Reply #45 on: Tue, 19 September 2017, 18:13:48 »
Firstly, adjusted GMK renders:


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International Kit


how about windowed led lock keys?

Yes...
International Kit. Nice  :thumb:


The currency sign (§) is missing from the "4" key in International Kit (Danish/Norway/Swedish/Finnish-layout). It's such a strange sign and  it would fit perfectly in this key set. Do you think so?



Unfortunately windowed lock keys aren't a viable addition to the set for several reasons. First, they would add at least 8 keys to the set, possibly more, considering they would be needed for both the base and the green mods. Secondly, 3 out of 4 of the current capslock/control keys would not work with led windows due to the sublegends, thus affecting the design of the set and possibly requiring more keys in order to compensate for the loss of the sublegends.

International Kit. Nice  :thumb:


The currency sign (§) is missing from the "4" key in International Kit (Danish/Norway/Swedish/Finnish-layout). It's such a strange sign and  it would fit perfectly in this key set. Do you think so?

This was a slight mistake in my mockup and has since been added to the updated renders.

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2 - GMK Quote Pending
« Reply #46 on: Tue, 19 September 2017, 18:26:42 »
Unfortunately windowed lock keys aren't a viable addition to the set for several reasons. First, they would add at least 8 keys to the set, possibly more, considering they would be needed for both the base and the green mods. Secondly, 3 out of 4 of the current capslock/control keys would not work with led windows due to the sublegends, thus affecting the design of the set and possibly requiring more keys in order to compensate for the loss of the sublegends.

yes, i concede the point. i would rather these keys be omitted than jeopardize the gb due to added cost or complexity. the kits are clean and trim as-is

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2 - GMK Quote Pending
« Reply #47 on: Tue, 19 September 2017, 19:35:56 »
Aww jizz I've been waiting for this for so long!!! COUNT ME IN!!!

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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2 - GMK Quote Pending
« Reply #48 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 14:05:15 »
GB will be live at https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=91686.0 once the thread is approved. For now the GB is at https://donutcables.com/product/gmk-royal-alpha-round-2/

So far everyone's just complaining about green mods costs, so I'll be working with GMK for adjusting kit contents.
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Re: [IC] GMK Royal Alpha Round 2 - GB Live
« Reply #49 on: Thu, 21 September 2017, 14:33:36 »
I really want this but $265 for full kit seems a bit much.