E) At least one person wants off-center, non-stepped caps locks.
I would like to see just the opposite, center, stepped Caps Lock. Also I'd probably get at least 3 set (one of each).
I'm ok with just the standard set. As tsangbro said, if there's interest for the consistency set, I'm down also.
black on white.Erm you're forgetting Dolch
white on black
and wyse!!
Centre stepped caps is a much better idea then off-centre flat caps, I'm just saying
A. Doesn't ISO left shift work on normal Cherry ISO boards?
B. 1.5x modifiers? They normally all come with 1.5x modifiers why do we want SP's version?
D. you need back slash, enter and shift. I'm on the fence on this one, if there's interest sure, but the fact that normal ANSI Cherry DS isn't exactly rare so I don't see a point to this except for the 2-3 people that ran into this.
E. Yeah... About that...
I do wonder how well the center stepped caps would work unless you are talking about one of these
the problem with wyse is that some of us need more than the usual keycaps.
i dont have a backspace, |\, and some other keycaps
i got a stupid terminal board -.-
Feel free to hash out what we need/want for the WYSE sets here too. Can you list all the WYSE keys that doesn't work on regular keyboards?
WYSE would need 1.25x and 1.5x modifiers, but I doubt there will be a lot of interest for the 1.5x ones.
Well spacebar will be awesome, atleast as addon.
I think spacebar is standard.
WYSE would need 1.25x and 1.5x modifiers, but I doubt there will be a lot of interest for the 1.5x ones.
Can you elaborate? Why would we need a 1.5x WYSE kit?
I was also wondering if we could get a matching PBT spacebar from a non-SP source, like Vortex (SP ABS spacebar is not that great).
In the absence of PBT spacebars, it would be great if extra spacebars could be ordered separately so people can have backups after the first one gets shiny :-)
+1 support for "Control" rather than "caps lock"
And I'd like to float the idea of OSX modifiers in the Cherry style.
Are we going to have windows logo or use something desktop agnostic like a diamond?
No ISO>ANSI conversion kit? That seems like a great idea to me for all the iso DS's out there.
Thats an expensive kit for due to legends never done before for backslash and enter, but of course we can do it
Also I don't know if it's just me but a regular ANSI Cherry DS isn't exactly rare so I don't know why you would buy an ISO set
They aren't exactly easy to find either. I know I have been trying to buy them lately. If you go to ebay its like 75% iso. But I understand with legend fees and svg's that can jack things up. Would be nice though.
Well thats what I'm thinking. Seems like we need some tallies going. Poll with multiple voting options?No need for that. Best way to do it is make sure those kits are what we want. Get pricing, and take orders
Is there any chance of getting a some blank windows keys thrown in? I guess they cannot cost that much.
No need for that. Best way to do it is make sure those kits are what we want. Get pricing, and take ordersSounds good to me.
If orders are low we cut, done deal :)
Poll is normally a waste of time
3 blank 1.25x?
That can A. go into base kit or B. go into the single keys add-on section
I'm in for:I don't want this to drag on for too long as, more people will want different things, we want this to be short and sweet.
2x black
2x beige (for white Cherry DS keys with shaded modifiers, right?)
Maybe 1 or 2 dolch depending on final price of kits
I really like the idea of the stepped capslock with centered stem.
Oh... What is the expected schedule for this? Start, finish, etc?
Those kits look good, maybe include the center-stem stepped capslock (that needs a shorter name btw!) in the standard kit, I'm not a fan of the full touch capslocks.
I don't want this to drag on for too long as, more people will want different things, we want this to be short and sweet.
Find out what we want, finalize, get pricing, get orders :)
Wait did you take over tsangan or just helping out?I got a bijillion of my own GB's I need to do still :P
Center-Stemmed Stepped Caps Lock = CSSCL? Sizzle?Cecil!
Or
Stepped Center-Stemmed Caps Lock = SCSCL = Sick Sickle? LOL
That and just that I WANT MOOGLE KITS NOW!
Center-Stemmed Stepped Caps Lock = CSSCL? Sizzle?
Or
Stepped Center-Stemmed Caps Lock = SCSCL = Sick Sickle? LOL
I got a bijillion of my own GB's I need to do still :P
I'm just sorting out everyone's suggestions and seeing whats viable or not, I don't want this to drag out where people want this and want that.
That and just that I WANT MOOGLE KITS NOW!
Sounds good. I'm with you lets get it handled. The less fuss the better.
If no one puts it clearly all it will be is just a bunch of ideas flowing around and no one really knows whats going on :P
Once again this is what I've gathered so far
We're going to have 3 standard sets:
BASE KIT Cherry Beige/Black/Dolch
2 Control 1.25x
2 Alt 1.25x
2 Win 1.25x
1 Menu 1.25x
1 Right shift 2.75x
1 Capslock 1.75x
1 Spacebar 6.25x
1 ANSI left shift 2.25x
1 ISO left shift 1.25x
For simplicity sake I suggest both shift is included in the base kit or we can have what we did in the RGBY kit where you choose what shift you want.
ANTI CAPS LOCK ADD-ON KIT Cherry Beige/Black/Dolch
1 Control 1.75x
1 Capslock 1.25x
1 Capslock 1.5x
ISO -> ANSI CONVERSION KIT Cherry Beige
BOTH REQUIRES LEGEND FEES
1 Enter 2.25x
1 Backslash 1.5x
SINGLE KEY ADD-ON Cherry Beige/Black/Dolch
1 Space bar 6.25x
1 Blank Key 1.25x (This could be in base kit as it doesn't add much to cost but don't know how many people want this)
1 Centre stem stepped capslock 1.75x (I really think this should be include this in base kit)
Do they make a center stemmed stepped caps? If so I agree it should be in there. But if we start talking about say over $25 per moogle. And more like $30 and beyond. Thats getting a little pricey. Hopefully the prices can be similar to round 2.
Looks like it's going to increase due to
Left shift(s) being included
if we add the centred stemmed stepped caps that will add to price too
I would love to get a centre-stemmed stepped caps in both white (beige) and black. Slightly off-topic but still related. Can someone plse explain 'anti-capslock'? Are we just talking about the key with a different legend on the top? Or are we talking about different sized keys?left control key and capslock will swap places
Regarding the anti caps lock kit, do most people actually switch the 1.25 Control key to a Caps Lock key? Personally I just have them both as Control keys and do without Caps Lock altogether. The Round 3 set I have doesn't seem to have a 1.25 Caps Lock for this swap. Would it be feasible to just include a non-stepped 1.75 Control key in the base set instead of doing the whole anti caps lock add-on set?While a lot of people swap Capslock into Control, there are even more people that don't do that
As long as the standard Moogle is offered as listed in the OP unmolested I'm happy.
Edit: base kit from post 76 looks great.
More like this?Show Image(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/eddie84/OCN/Mech%20keyboard%20club/key%20caps/DSC06861.jpg)
Nah, it works but you have to be very precise in stem length.
See this:
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:15245Show Image(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=21412&d=1311099511)
Am I the ONLY person on GH that uses cherry brand mechanical boards?
Am I the ONLY person on GH that uses cherry brand mechanical boards?
That is no longer a moogle kit, its more like you need half a Cherry set ._.
im for the center stem stepped. What would the purpose of off center even be? seeing as how the actual cherry corp caps lock stem is already off center.....i guess matching style is valid.
probably in for 3 sets no matter what though
What about everything else I wrote tsangan? What do you think about the optionals?I think everything you stated was already done in my add-on kits, unless I missed something.
Once again this is what I've gathered so far
We're going to have 3 standard sets:
BASE KIT Cherry Beige/Black/Dolch
2 Control 1.25x
2 Alt 1.25x
2 Win 1.25x
1 Menu 1.25x
1 Right shift 2.75x
1 Capslock 1.75x
1 Spacebar 6.25x
1 ANSI left shift 2.25x
1 ISO left shift 1.25x
For simplicity sake I suggest both shift is included in the base kit or we can have what we did in the RGBY kit where you choose what shift you want.
ANTI CAPS LOCK ADD-ON KIT Cherry Beige/Black/Dolch
1 Control 1.75x
1 Capslock 1.25x
1 Capslock 1.5x
ISO -> ANSI CONVERSION KIT Cherry Beige (Doesn't look good for this due to cost and interest)
BOTH REQUIRES LEGEND FEES
1 Enter 2.25x
1 Backslash 1.5x
SINGLE KEY ADD-ON Cherry Beige/Black/Dolch
1 Space bar 6.25x
1 Blank Key 1.25x (This could be in base kit as it doesn't add much to cost but don't know how many people want this)
1 Centre stem stepped capslock 1.75x (I really think this should be include this in base kit)
You forgot the 1.5 modifier kit, the 1.5 blank single add-on keys, the "Tab" and "Backspace" add-on kit, and there is no mention of the left-stemmed un-stepped capslock.1.5x modifier kit won't happen there is no interest, for the people let me quote hashbaz
Yup, I don't understand the point either, unless you are harvesting keys from an off-center Cherry board and putting them on a 1.5x center-stemmed board. Doesn't seem incredibly likely to me.
C) Some have been pushing for a full modifier set that includes tab, backspace, and enter as well, in order to maintain a consistent look.
The anti-capslock is NOT what a "moogle" was meant to do. It is thus scope creep and should either be optional or another separate GB.
No one reads what I post?
Tab, Backspace and Enter ALL requires legends fee. Not only that we don't know if cycloverid have time to make SVGs for us and due to high cost, I don't know who wants to get in on that. I DO NOT FEEL like its fair to include that in base kit, even though I also want those 3 keys but once people see the cost I think that will change.
huh? excuse me but anti-capslock is actually a legit keycap from the Cherry Corp Dobleshots family. "If" enough people are using capslock as control key then it could be what the new moogle meant to be.Show Image(http://gfax.ch/content/uploads/lite/cherry1.jpg)
Is it really just enter and backslash that we would need for the ISO->ANSI adapter kit?I believe so, the only other things down in that area that need replacing are the right shift (already covered by the base kit?) and the modifiers.
Good discussion everyone. Thanks tsangan for taking a pass at distilling these ideas into concrete sets. I agree that a poll is not likely to be very useful. I'll talk to Melissa this coming week. That should help us decide what can fit into the base kit.Yeah thats all the ISO -> ANSI needs
We're definitely sticking with the Windows logo (as opposed to an OS-agnostic symbol). I imagine blanks will be cheap so we can probably offer those too.
I'm not hearing a lot of interest in 1.5x modifiers. I agree that anti-capslock doesn't really fit under the moogle umbrella, but it seems like there's plenty of interest. It'd require tweaking the caps lock legend since it's currently too wide to fit on a 1.25x key.
Is it really just enter and backslash that we would need for the ISO->ANSI adapter kit?
Would I be able to order a partial kit then?
Would I be able to order a partial kit then?No
Would I be able to order a partial kit then?
"snowflake syndrome" - ???
Since each key is paid for separately when ordering from SP, it wouldn't cost anything extra to give me just these keys. Right?
6 x windows 1.25
3 x menu 1.25
3 x center-shafted un-stepped capslocks
(maybe) 3 x center-shafted stepped capslocks
Since each key is paid for separately when ordering from SP, it wouldn't cost anything extra to give me just these keys. Right?
C) Some have been pushing for a full modifier set that includes tab, backspace, and enter as well, in order to maintain a consistent look.
"snowflake syndrome" - ???Go contact SP and get them done for yourself :rofl:
Since each key is paid for separately when ordering from SP, it wouldn't cost anything extra to give me just these keys. Right?
6 x windows 1.25
3 x menu 1.25
3 x center-shafted un-stepped capslocks
(maybe) 3 x center-shafted stepped capslocks
Even if this was true, making a special The_Ed kit just for you isn't fair, and isn't what I'm doing as group buy organizer. If I allow you to pick and choose I have to allow everyone else to do the same. There will be a base kit and some options. You're either in or out.
No one reads what I post?
Tab, Backspace and Enter ALL requires legends fee. Not only that we don't know if cycloverid have time to make SVGs for us and due to high cost, I don't know who wants to get in on that. I DO NOT FEEL like its fair to include that in base kit, even though I also want those 3 keys but once people see the cost I think that will change.
Is it really just enter and backslash that we would need for the ISO->ANSI adapter kit?
Yeah thats all the ISO -> ANSI needs
"Keys from regular moogle kit are marked with a red cross and the keys marked with a blue cross are the ones that people who have ISO Cherry Doubleshots sets lack"
I find quite annoying some times (not refering to you) that people is always interested in Group Buys but seems nobody wants to help when it comes to invest in legends fee or samples. Is like that ones that only post to say I'm interested only if we reach "X", they just join the party when all the effort is done to pay less but doesn't help to reach that lower cost.
A bunch of us chipped in for the Windows 8 logo for Rag's red on black 87-key set. Before anyone asks, Moogle kit should have the old school Windows logo, not the new one, to stay true to Cherry's original design.
People who use Cherry doubleshots in ANSI keyboards taken from an ISO keyboard miss those 3 keys that I marked blue plus the keys that standard moogle kit has.ISO left shift is included in base kit, so those 2 keys (backslash and enter) will be required for the ISO-> ANSI conversion kit
I would like like a off-center stepped Enter key for my custom keyboard.
Sorry, I am trolling. :rofl:
Wow... Just wow... So... It doesn't cost anything extra, yet it is "unfair"... I'm not seeing anything unfair about it. You just order that many more of those keys and charge me the money for them. It's not "unfair", it is "nice". If I were the organizer of a GB, I would let everybody order ONLY the keys that they wanted. You can hold me to that word too.
I guess the only way you'd let me have any of those keys separately would be if a windows hater volunteered to let me buy them from their kit. And you just ship them to me instead of them. Or is that also "unfair"?
Could someone tell me what people mean when they say a key would require custom legend fees or a custom legend?
Wow... Just wow... So... It doesn't cost anything extra, yet it is "unfair"... I'm not seeing anything unfair about it. You just order that many more of those keys and charge me the money for them. It's not "unfair", it is "nice". If I were the organizer of a GB, I would let everybody order ONLY the keys that they wanted. You can hold me to that word too.Your GB would fail, hard
I guess the only way you'd let me have any of those keys separately would be if a windows hater volunteered to let me buy them from their kit. And you just ship them to me instead of them. Or is that also "unfair"?
Wow... Just wow... So... It doesn't cost anything extra, yet it is "unfair"... I'm not seeing anything unfair about it. You just order that many more of those keys and charge me the money for them. It's not "unfair", it is "nice". If I were the organizer of a GB, I would let everybody order ONLY the keys that they wanted. You can hold me to that word too.
I guess the only way you'd let me have any of those keys separately would be if a windows hater volunteered to let me buy them from their kit. And you just ship them to me instead of them. Or is that also "unfair"?
If I were the organizer of a GB, I would let everybody order ONLY the keys that they wanted. You can hold me to that word too.
Ya I don't think custom order will work out too well unless there will be guaranteed large orders for all the possible keys we talked about, such that we can custom our kit without affecting the overall pricing.
This thread keeps bringing be back to my computer, stopping me from working on my acrylic keyboard group buy!
Signature Plastics has a "collection" of keys that they can make and have already made in the past. However, when it comes time to make a key with tooling that they have not yet created, they charge a fee depending on the complication of the keycap design. Generally it is between $20-30 for a new design.
Can I have green/orange/purple acrylic instead of blue and red?
:rofl:
only if it is stepped and off center.
Thanks.
Personally the reason I would like to see a full set of modifiers and not just a "moogle" set is because I have noticed inconsistencies in the color and legends between the SP caps and original Cherry caps, so it would be nice to have them all the exact same color/same legend I suppose.
Can I have mine as a non-acrylic but solid black case sort of like the Filco but with the Filco badging on the left side?
so it would be nice to have them all the exact same color/same legend I suppose.
This is everybody's wishes except it will be hard to guarantee unless we got someone who's near by signature plastic to make sure the color sample matches exactly.
SP has a limited palette of colors to choose from. I have color samples from them so I should be able to choose he best match possible.
As I said on the last thread:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/T607R.jpg)
People who use Cherry doubleshots in ANSI keyboards taken from an ISO keyboard miss those 3 keys that I marked blue plus the keys that standard moogle kit has.
Also, will it also depend on their current mixes of dye formula? I ordered some PBT caps from the inventory. Same color codes I requested for different rows of keys. They turn out to be a bit different in close comparison.
Last round the colours were pretty good I thought
Wow... Just wow... So... It doesn't cost anything extra, yet it is "unfair"... I'm not seeing anything unfair about it. You just order that many more of those keys and charge me the money for them. It's not "unfair", it is "nice". If I were the organizer of a GB, I would let everybody order ONLY the keys that they wanted. You can hold me to that word too.
I guess the only way you'd let me have any of those keys separately would be if a windows hater volunteered to let me buy them from their kit. And you just ship them to me instead of them. Or is that also "unfair"?
I don't want you to go away with hard feelings man. What you're asking is unreasonable though. These are kits, not individual keys.
Quote from: tjweir;526563+1 support for "Control" rather than "caps lock"
And I'd like to float the idea of OSX modifiers in the Cherry style.
I support both of these ideas.
I agree. I think the only real question is what will the Dolch colors be. Kisa is going to let me compare my samples with his Dolch keys.
I can help with that as well, if you like. I've got the color rings and 2 Dolch keyboards to compare with.
I think we'll have you covered. ANSI left shift will be part of the base kit, so that just leaves enter and backslash to complete the ISO->ANSI adapter kit.
Whether it will be too expensive to be practical and whether we can even get the extra SVGs made are still open questions.
What is the point of those iso-> ansi kits if you have still a ton of wrong labels on the keys even if they fit?
Also I'm interested in Anti Caps Lock too. The best way to know if people really wants Control to replace Caps Lock in the main kit is a Poll to see how many people would prefer that option.
I didn't understand it the first time so that's the reason I repeated it. English is not my main language and sometimes I missunderstand posts :PMain kit it won't be feasible because a lot more people use regular layout, but as a add-on kit it's definitely likely to happen with the current interest.
Now as I tsangan pointed out I see that Shifts are covered for the moment.
If there is enough interest I would like to have those 2 keys, obviously it depends on what people demand. Not going to force anyone to include them in the Group Buy as I asked for them as a suggestion.
Thanks for the work.
Also I'm interested in Anti Caps Lock too. The best way to know if people really wants Control to replace Caps Lock in the main kit is a Poll to see how many people would prefer that option.
What is the point of those iso-> ansi kits if you have still a ton of wrong labels on the keys even if they fit?I also have no idea, but some people seem to want it ._.
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/T607R.jpg)
I do believe that was answered already, for the sake of keeping the set as original as possible it will be the Windows key
OS X People, my idea is dead simple, see if you're ok with it.
The only thing that *I'd* like is a "Command" key to replace the Windows logo key.
I'd like to keep it simple, as that will help it become a reality.
Hashbaz, you can tell me if it's crazytown or not.
I do believe that was answered already, for the sake of keeping the set as original as possible it will be the Windows key
The base kit will definitely have a Win key. A command key add-on is a possibility, but I haven't seen a ton of demand for it.
Any info from SP yet. Or are we still gathering interest for exactly what we want?
I sent an email to Melissa last night requesting quotes for the keys from the kits tsangan put together.
The base kit will definitely have a Win key. A command key add-on is a possibility, but I haven't seen a ton of demand for it.
I think it would be nice if we could find a generic symbol that everyone agrees on a good replacement for windows.
Leave it windows but I think the last rounds windows key was a little too thick/bold?
Can someone take a pic of a cherry windows key and moogle windows key?
Leave it windows but I think the last rounds windows key was a little too thick/bold?
Can someone take a pic of a cherry windows key and moogle windows key?
Leave it windows but I think the last rounds windows key was a little too thick/bold?
Can someone take a pic of a cherry windows key and moogle windows key?
The first picture is moogle kit R2 which used a different cutter to make the font more wide, but also made win/menu key thicker also
The second picture is from moogle kit R1 where we used the normal cutter so the fonts were really thin and didn't match the Cherry font, but the win/menu keys looked good
Ah I see. And I agree with your statement there. Original win and menu looked better the first time.
Curse you tsangan, you ninja'd me again. This brings up an interesting idea though. Why not just use SP's regular Win and Menu keys and save on SVG time and legend fees?Yeah SP's regular win/menu looks fine compared to OEM Cherry, so we can do it that way
If you use SP's default font on the windows and menu keys then I don't even want them as well. Moogle 2 got the windows and menu keys perfectly.You're back!
Can we use some molds from R1 and some molds from R2 to get the best from both?
I think we should use the standard SP Win and Menu keys (i.e., R1), the Ctrl/Alt/Shift from RGBY, and a new Caps Lock legend made to match RGBY.
I think we should use the standard SP Win and Menu keys (i.e., R1), the Ctrl/Alt/Shift from RGBY, and a new Caps Lock legend made to match RGBY.^ Lets do this.
^ Lets do this.Are you suggesting just handbag or handbag + "Caps Lock"?
Throwing it out there as well, if we're redesigning the caps lock, could we not do it in the handbag style? I'm not fussed either way but it could be quite nice.
I think we should use the standard SP Win and Menu keys (i.e., R1), the Ctrl/Alt/Shift from RGBY, and a new Caps Lock legend made to match RGBY.
That sounds perfect
Like Reptile's picture but just the handbag.People will be on the fence on that as EU users might be used to it but ANSI users are used to "Caps Lock"
^ Lets do this.
Throwing it out there as well, if we're redesigning the caps lock, could we not do it in the handbag style? I'm not fussed either way but it could be quite nice.
Are you suggesting just handbag or handbag + "Caps Lock"?
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Looks good, but doesn't seem to belong to Moogle Kit. Kind of like Fusion Asian food, sometimes it is good, but it is neither Chinese, nor Vietnamese, or Japanese, or Korean, or food from other Asian countries. :-)
I agree, I would prefer to stick with normal "Caps Lock"
I put in my 2 cents. This is a discussion thread. This is why I paid $100.06 in the phantom switch group buy, I can get exactly what I want. Since I can't get what I want from this GB I will not be joining it.
is it a ISO/EU thing?
I put in my 2 cents. This is a discussion thread. This is why I paid $100.06 in the phantom switch group buy, I can get exactly what I want. Since I can't get what I want from this GB I will not be joining it.
Yup, same with the shifts that just have arrows.
Sorry Europeans, but we're sticking with "Caps Lock", ANSI style. :)
You mean you didn't ask for just the stems with no spring and only the bottom switch housing? Since they make all of it you should be able to get what you want!
noob question!! whats a moogle kit :jaw:
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Damn, I need a vim key!
I can't believe that you say that "I" bark tsangan. Stop being a ****.
I think he called someone a Dolchbag.
Whats the legend fee looking like for Enter and Backslash? I'm going to assume its the same as all the other legends for these GB
Can we get a list of the keys that require legend fees?
flat caps lock
stepped caps lock
1.75x Control
1.25x Caps
1.5x Caps
Enter
Backslash
Are those it?
The fees for my RGBY buy were all $35. I would assume similar for this. I believe that is all the new legends since we will be using SP's standard Win and Menu.
I was never all that interested in the anti-capslock anyway since it's more for people who do a swap instead of a straight up replacement.
I am of course in for one of each but I think it may be hard to get good quantities on all three of the base kits and THEN the addon kits.
Why use SP's standard WIN&Menu?
Did cycloverid's Moogle GB use them, too? If I remember correctly he did the Cherry ones
Yeah, the colors might make this difficult. Hopefully at least the black kits will be cheap.
Yes, he did. They were too thick however, so they won't match the new legends from my RGBY buy. So rather than redo them and pay more legend fees we're just using SP's which are thin enough to match well.
White and Dolch may have pretty decent numbers but in the end we are looking at three competing buys in one; people don't like to spend money where they don't find it 100% necessary. I will do my best to convince people otherwise, of course.
Okay that makes it clear. Will the other legends be made thinner aswell (Caps Lock for example) or are they already thin enough to match your RGBY?
Guess I have to wait for my RGBY delivery to compare them :D
When are orders going to start?
Then I will most definately be in for at least 1 set! And a stepped caps center stem if there is enough interest and if it's possible
Get this started quickly :whip:
Thanks for your effort and time hashbaz.
White and Dolch may have pretty decent numbers but in the end we are looking at three competing buys in one; people don't like to spend money where they don't find it 100% necessary. I will do my best to convince people otherwise, of course.
Well at this point I would be in for at least two base kits.
I'd still like to see an add on kit for all of the missing modifiers for consistency's sake, although I don't know how reasonable that is to expect.
Will i be able to just order the control anti-capslock? or I have to have a base kit to go with it?
Whoa Dolch looks nice damn you Gimpster fopr making me spend money.
Hashbaz any way we could get the current pricing in the OP. So its easier then digging it up everytime. ;)
there willl be an official price listing in the order thread, which will be a better estimat coz all the other fees will be taken into account by then.
Whoa Dolch looks nice damn you Gimpster fopr making me spend money.
Always happy to help. ;)
Why do you think black will be hardest? There are more black sets out there than Dolch + white, by far.
So are all the kits you posted with price quotes a go? Or are we still gauging interest. I guess the real question is, is there a minimum order for the smaller kits?
Did we determine if the center stemmed stepped capslock key is a possibility? If it is I am totally down for this GB
Yeah, that's no problem. It was the off-cetner flat caps lock that was an issue.
Center stemmed stepped isn't a problem? I didn't think sp made those.
Off-center flat is the only combo they don't have a mold for.I wonder why? :whistle:
Yes, they do center-mount stepped, center-mount flat, and off-center stepped. Off-center flat is the only combo they don't have a mold for.
We could offer just the 1.75x Ctrl instead of a full swap kit maybe:
I find it odd looking to have everything to be OEM like but then throw in 2 blanks because you don't like the win key, but that's how Cherry makes it and isn't it the point to match Cherry key for key?
This is my perspective. ^^
What if we replaced the flat caps lock in the base kit with a stepped caps? Love/hate?
does anyone have experiences with the center stem stepped caps lock? If cherry step caps lock to be center stemmed, would it the key bottom out properly like the other keys?
What if we replaced the flat caps lock in the base kit with a stepped caps? Love/hate?
OMG, the WYSE moogle is getting ahead of us.That one's a lot easier come on, no custom legends required :P
That one's a lot easier come on, no custom legends required :P
Anyone have opinions on Base Kit vs. Base Kit++ (see post 227 (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?27843-DISCUSSION-Moogle-kit-round-3&p=528954&viewfull=1#post528954)) ?
How important to you are stepped caps lock and blank modifiers? (to use in place of the Win keys)
I am missing something guys...Show Image(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16307641/DSC00962.JPG)
What are we waiting on again?
I am missing something guys...Show Image(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16307641/DSC00962.JPG)
What are we waiting on again?
Ha my quickfire is sitting with no caps waiting on the Rag keys.
5 weeks of no keys :rofl:
^ Haha.. just keep it like that until hashbaz ships the next Moogle kit group buy. =P
Ha my quickfire is sitting with no caps waiting on the Rag keys.
if you think that's bad. my acrylic case is going to sit in my closet for a long long time until it gets used lol
I am missing something guys...Show Image(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16307641/DSC00962.JPG)
What are we waiting on again?
So are you saying that you bought an incomplete set WITHOUT the left shift?
No worries send it to OC I'll put it to good use. ;)
So are you saying that you bought an incomplete set WITHOUT the left shift?
Left shift will be in the moogle regardless right?
Nooo.. don't send it to OC. I'll go pick it up in person. lol :eyebrows:Hey I can drive too :whip:
Yes, the base kit will include both shifts.Perfect.
hashbaz I see your sig. Did you score a happy hacking?
Why is dolch so expensive?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DOLCH-PAC-64-SNIFFER-KEYBOARD-ONLY-/120739603386?pt=BI_Analyzers&hash=item1c1ca423ba#ht_500wt_1180 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/DOLCH-PAC-64-SNIFFER-KEYBOARD-ONLY-/120739603386?pt=BI_Analyzers&hash=item1c1ca423ba#ht_500wt_1180)
USED - $175! WHY?!
i suggest F and J keys with nubs!!!!!
scoops > nubs
Go Team Deep Dish!
Go Team Nipples!
Who doesn't like nipples under their index fingers?
Who doesn't like nipples under their index fingers?
Is this the one that fixes my Signature Plastic Tab and other keys too? The OP is unclear and I don't read these megathreads.
Is this the one that fixes my Signature Plastic Tab and other keys too? The OP is unclear and I don't read these megathreads.
Is this the one that fixes my Signature Plastic Tab and other keys too? The OP is unclear and I don't read these megathreads.
In for post #347!
No really, updating the OP would make these a lot easier to follow.
Please note upfront if you think it will really happen.
Excuse my ignorance, but what is an anti-capslock?
Also the OP isn't clear for the stepped capslock if it is center (discussed previoulsy) or side stem.
All the caps locks in this buy will be center-stemmed.
Base Kit ++ sounds sweet. Loving the stepped caps option.
WHATT!?!?!? What happened to the off-centre flat caps?
Oh wait only 1 person wanted it, nevermind :tape2:
Will Dolchbag be available though?
I wonder why I seem to be the only one...
You're not the only one who wonders about this question though.
OMG, and I thought ripster was annoying with his vote for me posts. Seriously we know you modded some caps locks you don't have to post pictures of it at every turn.
WHATT!?!?!? What happened to the off-centre flat caps?
Oh wait only 1 person wanted it, nevermind :tape2:
Will Dolchbag be available though?
I wonder why I seem to be the only one... At least I can mod my own.
You're not the only one who wonders about this question though.
??? - Huh? Could you maybe reword that?
Everyone, including you, wonders why you are the only one who wants off-center flat caps be included in this group buy.
Not every turn, just when it is brought up. I THOUGHT about making another post with just a quote and the pictures to piss you off. But I held back.
Not every turn, just when it is brought up. I THOUGHT about making another post with just a quote and the pictures to piss you off. But I held back.
Seriously, I am just trolling, I mean no harm. Please troll me sometimes. I promise I will laugh it off. :-)
Sounds like fun! Shall we go for a troll in the park afterwards?
GUYS LET'S DISCUSS MOOGLE KITS. How many of you are interested in the Full Modifier kit?
??? - Huh? Could you maybe reword that?
Quote from: The_Ed;535217??? - Huh? Could you maybe reword that?
Probably not.
Translation:QuoteEveryone, including you, wonders why you are the only one who wants off-center flat caps be included in this group buy.
litster already has. Unless you meant something different. I've gotten good at multiquoting.
Quote from: The_Ed;535524litster already has. Unless you meant something different. I've gotten good at multiquoting.
Your multi-quoting rivals your stem-modding.
Is this the thread where Tsangan thought SP and Cherry corp staggered caps lock keys were different?
Well, he's definitely wrong.
Unusable keys means those which don't fit the keyboards they are supposed to.
For example, the offset stem caps locks that don't fit Cherry boards, and SPACENEW* that don't fit G80-1800/11900 etc.
Speaking of the stepped capslock, I have some interesting news... Apparently SP fixed all of the stepped capslock keys from round 3, but 7bit told them to just wait till round 4 to send them, presumably to save on shipping? So basically they've had a bunch of keys ready for everyone and sitting in their shipping department since like a week after they were notified that they were defective. Credit where it is due, SP doesn't deserve anything but praise in my opinion for their customer service. So there shouldn't be a fitment problem to worry about with the new stepped capslocks for this buy, Melissa knew exactly what I was talking about. Did everyone else already know this? I sure as heck didn't and from what I remember, everyone was blaming them for what happened with it.
I haven't read all the stuff in the thread and not sure if this was discussed, but is there a possibility that we could include a stepped capslock key with a LED window?
I'm interested in a full dolch kit, I need a UK J shape enter key though, is this possible?
Base ++ ver2.0 with 2 stepped capslocks instead of 2 blank modifiers would be interesting for those who have imsto thick set at least...
Looks like they can make center-stemmed un-stepped capslocks in both doubleshot and blank. And left-stemmed stepped capslocks in only blank. They screw up everything else. This track record doesn't look good for your center-stemmed stepped capslocks.]
Weren't there center-stemmed, stepped caps locks in R3? Were those messed up?
Weren't there center-stemmed, stepped caps locks in R3? Were those messed up?
Regardless, if they get messed up I'm confident Melissa will fix it. She was very quick and helpful with the ISO shift legend issue from my RGBY group buy.
oh we need to add that red enter in this group buy!!!!
before or after dye sub RGB group buy? :spy:
That red enter is mm-mm-good. Taeyoung, are you saying you would like a "tsangan kit" option for the moogle group buy, or did you just come in here to make us all jealous of your keyboards? :)
Quote from: Glukos;536000Base ++ ver2.0 with 2 stepped capslocks instead of 2 blank modifiers would be interesting for those who have imsto thick set at least...
It would still look wrong though.
I love 1.5 modifiers set including 7x space bar and 1x keys that fit row 4 such as "Tsangan" kit of "Ragnarok Red on Black" GB.
Because they can be used for the modifiers of 86keys-custom keyboard like A87, KMAC and so forth.
That's why I ordered 23 sets of "Tsangan" kit. :-)
Here are some photos of my custom keyboard.Show Image(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Eyz6xOxHvh0/ThUxuHco5EI/AAAAAAAAINw/D6edv-Fn-Ts/s912/SDC10525-3.JPG)
I just wanted to tell the "tsangan kit" optionfor the moogle group buy would be very useful for custom keyboard.
So I hope the 1.5x modifiers set( including 7x spacebar and 1x keys) would be included into this moogle group buy. :-)
I just wanted to tell the "tsangan kit" optionfor the moogle group buy would be very useful for custom keyboard.Not quite sure I understand as normal Cherry DS sets already have 1.5x modifiers sets and a 7x spacebar, I just don't know the reason to make a replacement when the original is better.
So I hope the 1.5x modifiers set( including 7x spacebar and 1x keys) would be included into this moogle group buy. :-)
Should listen to #1.I see pictures of them not fitting, so.......
I really gotta take a pic to prove it I guess.
Does anyone know which shift it is from a cherry set that fits a filco. Its my understanding that the left shift fits. But the right does not? Obviously this kit is looking to have both shifts now I believe. But previous moogles only had a right shift is that correct?
So do your custom keyboards need center-stemmed modifiers? Otherwise you could just use the real Cherry keys, right?Yeah, I need center-stemmed modifiers even though I've been using the Cherry keys.
Yeah, I need center-stemmed modifiers even though I've been using the Cherry keys.
Because I'll keep making more 86keys-custom keyboards. :-)
Yeah, I need center-stemmed modifiers even though I've been using the Cherry keys.
Because I'll keep making more 86keys-custom keyboards. :-)
Man is it the camera? THese cherry keys always look so white and so gray. Brand new?
Buying more Cherry sets would be even better :P
Reasoning behind this
-Not a lot of interest for 1.5x moogle kit so the price will be higher
-At a low moogle kit price the kits are $25~$30
-A set of beige Cherry DS is like $40?
That's not brand new.
I've got them from Ascaii in DT.
http://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=568&hilit=Ascaii
You can see more photos here (https://picasaweb.google.com/100566420832007698105/CustomKeyboards?authkey=Gv1sRgCJyf9aTz4dHnZA#).
That's not brand new.
I've got them from Ascaii in DT.
http://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=568&hilit=Ascaii
You can see more photos here (https://picasaweb.google.com/100566420832007698105/CustomKeyboards?authkey=Gv1sRgCJyf9aTz4dHnZA#).
Yeah, agreed.
But I love black Cherry double shot , especially winkeyless , and it's not easy to get them nowadays.
And you know, your kit in Raganarok GB has been ordered over 50sets ( $14.00 )! :peace:
Besides, there are lots of people who love 86kyes-custom keyboard such as KMAC, A87, 356 series and so forth here in Korea.
Yea winkeyless black DS are hard to find now, especially since black shows wear and shine a lot quicker then beige sets so finding use sets aren't as good.
I see where you're coming from this, hashbaz what do you think?
It's all the same to me. I'll fine making 1.5x mods available if people are willing to pay for them.
What is the difference between this and round 2? Is the bottom row taller to match cherry double shots?
Let's add the red enter :3
Ready for an order thread :plane:
A full Dolch set please!
I have a request for keys in a moogle kit.
Anyone who has taken keys from a g8x 1800 will need a 2 unit "0 Ins" key and a 2 unit vertical "+" key to fill out a full size board.
Can we do those? Is there demand?
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Huh, didn't know about that. Ok I'll include ISO shift then. No biggie since we already have the legend.
Order thread? Lets do this. I keep spending money that is supposed to go to moogle kits. And buying more sets that need moogles ;)
Fear not! Your wallet will soon have a thread to throw itself at.
Base kit with white on black & black on white.
Very simple...
So, no love for the handbag capslock?
And Dolch!
Order thread please :-)
We know you will do things proper hashbaz and I for one appreciate all the effort you are putting into this. I just ordered another set of black DS's so it looks like I'm at 4 moogles now. ;)