Post by: Zeal on Thu, 05 March 2015, 15:37:46
You asked for it, we delivered.
Introducing Project Zealios - 62g gold plated springs in an exclusive custom made Purple "MX Clear" stem. No ErgoBrown Gateron bull**** (cough). This is the real deal. Along with the project was a custom made transparent switch bottom housing to maximize LED lighting. Switch will be compatible with 4-pin RGB LEDs (not pictured). The purple stems have the tight stem cross removed from the original MX Clear stems. No more accidental switch breaking! Yay!
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More
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What's inside the box?
(http://i.imgur.com/0vb4exq.jpg)
To figure out, I will provide one image a day, and people can put the pieces together to figure out the image!
Day 1:
(http://i.imgur.com/Ii1NdIZ.png)
Day 2:
(http://i.imgur.com/AQWjrEu.png)
Day 3:
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Day 4:
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Day 16:
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Day 17:
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What's inside the box?
(http://i.imgur.com/0vb4exq.jpg)
To figure out, I will provide one image a day, and people can put the pieces together to figure out the image!
Day 1:
(http://i.imgur.com/Ii1NdIZ.png)
Day 2:
(http://i.imgur.com/AQWjrEu.png)
Day 3:
(http://i.imgur.com/HGQvR1M.png)
Day 4:
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Day 5:
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Day 7:
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Day 12:
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Day 13:
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Day 14:
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Day 15:
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Day 16:
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Day 17:
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Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 05 March 2015, 15:39:04
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Thu, 05 March 2015, 15:40:13
Post by: hwood34 on Thu, 05 March 2015, 15:41:05
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 05 March 2015, 15:41:30
(http://media.giphy.com/media/DqwBggaKEBGpO/giphy.gif)
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 05 March 2015, 15:44:30
Show Image(http://media0.giphy.com/media/tWrXaAUjD7ujm/giphy.gif)
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Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 05 March 2015, 15:46:54
(http://media.giphy.com/media/ZjqWnrUn3jNcs/giphy.gif)Show Image(http://media0.giphy.com/media/tWrXaAUjD7ujm/giphy.gif)Show Image(http://media.giphy.com/media/IK3e1E74N7sTC/giphy.gif)
Post by: Moralless on Thu, 05 March 2015, 15:47:03
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 05 March 2015, 15:48:06
You're photo is a bit out of focusYour grammar is a bit out of focus.
(http://media.giphy.com/media/VCeVTCWnhNQt2/giphy.gif)
Post by: azhdar on Thu, 05 March 2015, 15:48:51
(http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steamcommunity/public/images/avatars/34/34642be3868ae0dd8db29539c26b4eeb2198e0b2_full.jpg)You're photo is a bit out of focusYour grammar is a bit out of focus.Show Image(http://media.giphy.com/media/VCeVTCWnhNQt2/giphy.gif)
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Thu, 05 March 2015, 15:49:15
You're photo is a bit out of focusYour grammar is a bit out of focus.Show Image(http://media.giphy.com/media/VCeVTCWnhNQt2/giphy.gif)
☐ Not REKT ☑ REKT ☑ REKTangle ☑ SHREKT ☑ REKT-it Ralph ☑ Total REKTall ☑ The Lord of the REKT ☑ The Usual SusREKTs ☑ North by NorthREKT ☑ REKT to the Future ☑ Once Upon a Time in the REKT ☑ The Good, the Bad, and the REKT ☑ LawREKT of Arabia ☑ Tyrannosaurus REKT ☑ eREKTile dysfunction
Post by: sethk_ on Thu, 05 March 2015, 15:52:03
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 05 March 2015, 15:53:04
red switch tops?(http://media.giphy.com/media/XlfWbwvsqFhFS/giphy.gif)
Who knows.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Thu, 05 March 2015, 15:58:02
red switch tops?Show Image(http://media.giphy.com/media/XlfWbwvsqFhFS/giphy.gif)
Who knows.
Zeal knows...
Post by: hking0036 on Thu, 05 March 2015, 16:09:39
Or Zeal could be pulling a WASD and it's just browns.
Post by: Moralless on Thu, 05 March 2015, 16:21:00
You're photo is a bit out of focusYour grammar is a bit out of focus.Show Image(http://media.giphy.com/media/VCeVTCWnhNQt2/giphy.gif)
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mf4lscIM1P1rbxqza.gif)
...tapatalk autocorrected my yiour to you're for some reason
Post by: HPE1000 on Thu, 05 March 2015, 16:23:53
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 05 March 2015, 16:24:25
I'm going to guess red gaterons.
That's my thought. Or mini mini Kit Kats.
Post by: hking0036 on Thu, 05 March 2015, 16:24:27
I'm going to guess red gaterons.That's actually probably a good guess.
Post by: sethk_ on Thu, 05 March 2015, 17:25:35
I'm going to guess red gaterons.That was my first guess, but I thought that red switch covers would be more exciting.
Post by: billnye on Thu, 05 March 2015, 17:27:06
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 05 March 2015, 17:35:18
[4:38:12 PM] Zeal PC: no mention
[4:38:12 PM] Zeal PC: of what im gonna do tho pls
(http://media0.giphy.com/media/M6xjibxN0L7YQ/giphy.gif)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 05 March 2015, 17:46:41
You're photo is a bit out of focusYour grammar is a bit out of focus.Show Image(http://media.giphy.com/media/VCeVTCWnhNQt2/giphy.gif)Show Image(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mf4lscIM1P1rbxqza.gif)
...tapatalk autocorrected my yiour to you're for some reason
You tried. :)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 05 March 2015, 17:49:09
Post by: billnye on Thu, 05 March 2015, 17:49:50
cherry^-^ ^-^
Post by: Karura on Thu, 05 March 2015, 23:02:31
Post by: tbc on Thu, 05 March 2015, 23:06:14
Custom switch bottoms :)
nekkid switches with no bottoms?
Post by: munch on Thu, 05 March 2015, 23:06:48
I ran the image through my de-mozaicer application I wrote in 1963 during the Zion War to conquer the ancient dragon thingy from the evil dudes.
(http://i.imgur.com/lvG6kvk.png)
looks like he's making keycaps that look a little bit like this? my app is old and needs an update so you can't be 100% sure.
Post by: byker on Thu, 05 March 2015, 23:10:01
ok guys hype's over.
I ran the image through my de-mozaicer application I wrote in 1963 during the Zion War to conquer the ancient dragon thingy from the evil dudes.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/lvG6kvk.png)
looks like he's making keycaps that look a little bit like this? my app is old and needs an update so you can't be 100% sure.
Confirmed. Zeal is K3KC. Lets fund a trip boys.
Post by: naasfu on Thu, 05 March 2015, 23:17:58
Post by: bueller on Thu, 05 March 2015, 23:18:55
ok guys hype's over.
I ran the image through my de-mozaicer application I wrote in 1963 during the Zion War to conquer the ancient dragon thingy from the evil dudes.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/lvG6kvk.png)
looks like he's making keycaps that look a little bit like this? my app is old and needs an update so you can't be 100% sure.
Confirmed. Zeal is K3KC. Lets fund a trip boys.
Bake him away toys!
Post by: Moralless on Fri, 06 March 2015, 04:46:19
You're photo is a bit out of focusYour grammar is a bit out of focus.Show Image(http://media.giphy.com/media/VCeVTCWnhNQt2/giphy.gif)Show Image(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mf4lscIM1P1rbxqza.gif)
...tapatalk autocorrected my yiour to you're for some reason
You tried. :)
That one was on purpose :p I literally typed 'yiour' on my phone and it got auto-corrected to "you're" instead of "your" for whatever reason. :confused:
Post by: awhitedev on Mon, 09 March 2015, 17:40:20
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 09 March 2015, 17:42:46
When are we going to find out what this is? ;D
Soon™
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 09 March 2015, 17:47:05
When are we going to find out what this is? ;D
Soon™
Confirmed scam group buy with Zeal stealing all our monies and leaving us with tears, warm, delicious, salty tears.
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 09 March 2015, 17:50:53
It very well might leave everyone with warm, delcious, salty tears.
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 09 March 2015, 17:53:31
@nubs (Can't quote for w/e reason)
It very well might leave everyone with warm, delcious, salty tears.
Apparently I am the unquotable. I blame it on the bippity boppity, shippity shoppity of my avatar.
Post by: sethk_ on Wed, 11 March 2015, 13:53:08
Quote test@nubs (Can't quote for w/e reason)
It very well might leave everyone with warm, delcious, salty tears.
Apparently I am the unquotable. I blame it on the bippity boppity, shippity shoppity of my avatar.
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 16 March 2015, 17:06:06
(http://i.imgur.com/0vb4exq.jpg)
Post by: sethk_ on Mon, 16 March 2015, 17:22:15
What's in the box?Red Gatorade switches.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0vb4exq.jpg)
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 16 March 2015, 17:26:00
What's in the box?Red Gatorade switches.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0vb4exq.jpg)
I wouldn't be hyping something as simple as that. ;)
Post by: sethk_ on Mon, 16 March 2015, 17:34:35
I honestly can't think of anything red, that isn't gatorade switches or switch tops :< when can we expect to see whats in this package?What's in the box?Red Gatorade switches.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0vb4exq.jpg)
I wouldn't be hyping something as simple as that. ;)
Post by: awhitedev on Mon, 16 March 2015, 18:06:10
What's in the box?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0vb4exq.jpg)
Something deliciously kit-kat like?? :))
Post by: HPE1000 on Mon, 16 March 2015, 18:09:44
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 16 March 2015, 18:34:54
(http://www.museumofplay.org/online-collections/images/Z001/Z00119/Z0011931.jpg)
Zeal is rolling out his new wagon delivery system whereupon the package is transported from Canada by Radio Flyer wagon to your destination1.
1ZealPC is not responsible for any packages lost or damaged in transit. ZealPC is also not knowledgeable of any child labor laws that may be violated by this process as all deliveries are being subcontracted out to the lowest bidder. The lowest bid may or may not be candy. Any and all children that may participate are doing so on a volunteer basis.
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 16 March 2015, 18:59:31
What's in the box?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0vb4exq.jpg)
Its content!
Post by: Karura on Mon, 16 March 2015, 20:05:39
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 16 March 2015, 20:09:21
Post by: pichu23 on Mon, 16 March 2015, 20:11:20
Post by: awhitedev on Mon, 16 March 2015, 20:14:05
The box is really outside itself, and we are all in the box and actually figments of the box's imagination.
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Well anyways... I tried to upload a gif but all i got was that... you get the idea :rolleyes:
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 16 March 2015, 20:17:36
Spill the beans Zeal ! X_x
The box is full of beans??
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Mon, 16 March 2015, 20:22:11
Yo, I aint no bean counterSpill the beans Zeal ! X_x
The box is full of beans??
Post by: Evo_Spec on Mon, 16 March 2015, 20:24:44
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 16 March 2015, 20:32:26
Yo, I aint no bean counterSpill the beans Zeal ! X_x
The box is full of beans??
If each bean was a CC or a BroCap, I would count them!
Post by: Karura on Mon, 16 March 2015, 21:17:55
Not injury, not harm, but death.
Post by: tbc on Mon, 16 March 2015, 21:41:46
or a picture of a cat
holy****, karura's avatar is inside the box!
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 16 March 2015, 22:03:14
(http://puu.sh/gDBwx/cb1aa5a197.png)
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 16 March 2015, 22:12:08
(http://i.imgur.com/Ii1NdIZ.png)
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 16 March 2015, 22:26:23
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 16 March 2015, 22:27:27
it's probably a catAh, but is the cat alive or dead? Or both simultaneously?
or a picture of a cat
holy****, karura's avatar is inside the box!
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 16 March 2015, 22:35:03
it's probably a catAh, but is the cat alive or dead? Or both simultaneously?
or a picture of a cat
holy****, karura's avatar is inside the box!
The box in the initial post is actually quite small :))
No way of telling how big it is witout a reference.
Post by: intelli78 on Mon, 16 March 2015, 22:35:39
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 16 March 2015, 22:36:21
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 16 March 2015, 22:41:46
100 piece puzzle could take a while, I lose interest quickly
Me too. This is more up my ally
(http://freckledfrog.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Eskimo.jpg)
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 16 March 2015, 22:48:39
100 piece puzzle could take a while, I lose interest quickly
Me too. This is more up my allyShow Image(http://freckledfrog.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Eskimo.jpg)
It won't take 100 pieces to figure out. :)
Also need some more time ironing out details...;)
Post by: random_rockets on Mon, 16 March 2015, 23:23:03
Smart 68 keyboard
that would be beautiful
Post by: Karura on Mon, 16 March 2015, 23:32:51
it's probably a cat
or a picture of a cat
holy****, karura's avatar is inside the box!
I am now inside the box.
Post by: sethk_ on Mon, 16 March 2015, 23:35:55
So Karura, are you dead or alive in that box? Zeal's Cat...it's probably a cat
or a picture of a cat
holy****, karura's avatar is inside the box!
I am now inside the box.
Post by: tbc on Mon, 16 March 2015, 23:45:52
So Karura, are you dead or alive in that box? Zeal's Cat...it's probably a cat
or a picture of a cat
holy****, karura's avatar is inside the box!
I am now inside the box.
he is simultaneously answering and not answering your question
Post by: FreeCopy on Mon, 16 March 2015, 23:47:43
Post by: billnye on Tue, 17 March 2015, 19:18:45
Zeal best troll NA
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 17 March 2015, 19:22:09
This piece connects to the first piece of the puzzle.
(http://i.imgur.com/AQWjrEu.png)
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 17 March 2015, 19:32:22
Looks like an MX or Gateron Clear so far.
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 18 March 2015, 12:57:29
Connects to the other 2 pieces.
(http://i.imgur.com/HGQvR1M.png)
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 18 March 2015, 13:18:36
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 18 March 2015, 13:23:18
I'm going with Cherry RGB switches in Red.
I have no interest in Cherry RGB switches.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 18 March 2015, 13:24:00
I'm going with Cherry RGB switches in Red.
I have no interest in Cherry RGB switches.
I have no interest in your games. >:D
Let's see the goods.
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 18 March 2015, 13:24:41
I'm going with Cherry RGB switches in Red.
I have no interest in Cherry RGB switches.
I have no interest in your games. >:D
Let's see the goods.
hue.
Patience, young grasshopper.
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 18 March 2015, 22:53:51
(http://i.imgur.com/6fxkKwp.png)
I'm saying my initial thought, Clear Gateron with a semi-translucent switch top like the Blue Gateron in VesperSaint's post. (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=33130.msg1685402#msg1685402)
Post by: pichu23 on Thu, 19 March 2015, 12:15:22
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Thu, 19 March 2015, 12:18:53
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 19 March 2015, 13:49:40
(http://i.imgur.com/NgZFCt6.png)
Post by: Dihedral on Thu, 19 March 2015, 13:57:31
Post by: vindaon on Thu, 19 March 2015, 13:57:39
Post by: trizkut on Thu, 19 March 2015, 13:58:10
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 19 March 2015, 14:06:00
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 19 March 2015, 14:10:44
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Cm3Ob2c.jpg)
Would I really be making a troll thread for something I already sell? :(
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 19 March 2015, 14:13:36
Would I really be making a troll thread for something I already sell? :(
Zeal best troll NA
Survey says? YES
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 19 March 2015, 14:14:53
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Cm3Ob2c.jpg)
Would I really be making a troll thread for something I already sell? :(
hype is hype
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 19 March 2015, 14:21:49
Would I really be making a troll thread for something I already sell? :(Zeal best troll NA
Survey says? YES
What if I told you I'm the paradigm of honesty? ;)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 19 March 2015, 14:22:58
What if I told you I'm the paradigm of honesty?
lol
Post by: vindaon on Thu, 19 March 2015, 20:09:55
A mouse?
O nvm just saw Vespersaint's post in the mail thread. It's mos def a switch.
It's red too. It's these, obviously :p (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Gaote_Cherry_MX_clone).
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 20 March 2015, 15:20:20
(http://i.imgur.com/AjLsKGX.png)
Post by: PunksDead on Fri, 20 March 2015, 15:33:40
Day 5:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/AjLsKGX.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/uCDO0If.jpg)
dug around in your source code
*to be fair idk what a source code even is
Post by: byker on Fri, 20 March 2015, 15:35:36
Day 5:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/AjLsKGX.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/uCDO0If.jpg)
dug around in your source code
zeal = k3kc? :o
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 20 March 2015, 16:31:11
:-*Day 5:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/AjLsKGX.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/uCDO0If.jpg)
dug around in your source code
:-XShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/uCDO0If.jpg)
dug around in your source code
zeal = k3kc? :o
Post by: whentheclouds on Fri, 20 March 2015, 16:36:58
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 21 March 2015, 00:30:33
(http://i.imgur.com/1zHwiYx.jpg)
Post by: sethk_ on Sat, 21 March 2015, 00:35:03
Still just seeing a Gateron Clear with a clear or semi-trans cap:Yeah, that looks like a switch stem. Unless they are Cherry RGB switches with clears. I CRACKED IT!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/1zHwiYx.jpg)
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 21 March 2015, 00:44:22
Still just seeing a Gateron Clear with a clear or semi-trans cap:Yeah, that looks like a switch stem. Unless they are Cherry RGB switches with clears. I CRACKED IT!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/1zHwiYx.jpg)
I'm going with Cherry RGB switches in Red.
I have no interest in Cherry RGB switches.
Post by: sethk_ on Sat, 21 March 2015, 00:45:21
Then I guess it has to be Gaterons with clear tops, even though he said he wouldn't be hyping Gateron's like thisStill just seeing a Gateron Clear with a clear or semi-trans cap:Yeah, that looks like a switch stem. Unless they are Cherry RGB switches with clears. I CRACKED IT!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/1zHwiYx.jpg)I'm going with Cherry RGB switches in Red.
I have no interest in Cherry RGB switches.
Post by: Lastpilot on Sat, 21 March 2015, 00:47:59
Still just seeing a Gateron Clear with a clear or semi-trans cap:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/1zHwiYx.jpg)
(http://33.media.tumblr.com/d213c0485f9ad328e9a5c2ee1f457811/tumblr_n3qxxkxaxs1rvnh7zo1_500.gif)
(http://33.media.tumblr.com/66b6892a209f51c957a4c8c2e439c1c1/tumblr_n36v1lubu21slkqb0o1_500.gif)
Post by: FoC_Tow on Sat, 21 March 2015, 08:53:50
So Karura, are you dead or alive in that box? Zeal's Cat...it's probably a cat
or a picture of a cat
holy****, karura's avatar is inside the box!
I am now inside the box.
She's both according to the Schroedinger's cat theory I guess...
Day 5:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/AjLsKGX.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/uCDO0If.jpg)
dug around in your source code
*to be fair idk what a source code even is
That similarity is pretty crazy... Triangle confirmed! :)
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 21 March 2015, 15:48:14
(http://i.imgur.com/iW83JXe.png)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 21 March 2015, 16:00:45
Post by: justify on Sat, 21 March 2015, 16:11:18
Post by: njbair on Sun, 22 March 2015, 06:58:39
Post by: sethk_ on Sun, 22 March 2015, 08:04:19
(http://i.gyazo.com/e22d8eb336f0bde6c140fc90ab306a7c.png)
Post by: Signature on Sun, 22 March 2015, 08:36:10
Post by: sethk_ on Sun, 22 March 2015, 08:54:46
Kinda looking like a matias switchThats what I was thinking at first, but if you look at the stem you can see that it has the 90 degree angle that cherry stems have
Post by: FoC_Tow on Sun, 22 March 2015, 09:38:28
It is most definitely a cherry-compatible switchShow Image(http://i.gyazo.com/e22d8eb336f0bde6c140fc90ab306a7c.png)
Idk if its just me, but I really can't envision a cherry style switch in that picture so far to be perfectly honest.
I get how people see the lower part as a LED tho, since it looks kinda translucent with what might cathode and anode inside...
So assuming it does look mx compatible switch like, and I'm just the only one who fails to visualize that xD,
couldn't it also be a pcb mounted 'cherry style' stabilizer? (except for maybe the LED)
Since some people guessed Zeal is making his own switches, (which to me seems even harder then designing stabilizers)
the options for stabilizers seem to be significantly less then for mx switches, (and costar and cherry both seem to have their issues)
and the fact that Zeal has a history with his gold plated stabilizers, it doesn't seem too far fetched maybe.
I don't really believe thats what it is tbh, but it would fit the mx compatible stem analogy...
And it would definitely be awesome to see a stabilizer that manages to combine crisp non-mushy feel and easy of changing caps I guess! =)
Post by: nubbinator on Sun, 22 March 2015, 11:48:09
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sun, 22 March 2015, 12:43:28
Zeal is hyping for an MX activated dildo.At least Halverson will not be disappointed.
Post by: njbair on Sun, 22 March 2015, 13:10:27
Kinda looking like a matias switch
I agree. I think the "90 degree" tab might actually not be a shadow from a cherry cross stem, but a dark spot shining through the hollow center of a Matias stem.
Post by: nubbinator on Sun, 22 March 2015, 13:20:53
Kinda looking like a matias switch
I agree. I think the "90 degree" tab might actually not be a shadow from a cherry cross stem, but a dark spot shining through the hollow center of a Matias stem.
The picture so far is definitely not an Alps switch, not unless Matias changed their looks radically recently (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Matias_switch). Given the red in the original picture, there is a chance that the picture so far is just unveiling old switches (Gateron Clears) and the new switches, Matias linear switches (which have red stems), will be unveiled later.
Post by: njbair on Sun, 22 March 2015, 13:26:48
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 22 March 2015, 16:10:16
(http://i.imgur.com/WRep9mn.png)
Post by: sethk_ on Sun, 22 March 2015, 16:19:16
Post by: slickmamba on Sun, 22 March 2015, 20:17:51
Post by: taylordcraig on Sun, 22 March 2015, 20:20:59
Post by: Bromono on Sun, 22 March 2015, 20:25:43
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sun, 22 March 2015, 20:35:52
A MX switch that finaly mimics the feel of Topre ? O.O.... PlzIsn't that what the novatouch is for?
Post by: Bromono on Sun, 22 March 2015, 20:40:25
A MX switch that finaly mimics the feel of Topre ? O.O.... PlzIsn't that what the novatouch is for?
I want the reverse though. :( so I can use those beautiful Korean boards but with the great feeling of Topre.
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Sun, 22 March 2015, 20:45:44
That would be the day ;DA MX switch that finaly mimics the feel of Topre ? O.O.... PlzIsn't that what the novatouch is for?
I want the reverse though. :( so I can use those beautiful Korean boards but with the great feeling of Topre.
Post by: taylordcraig on Sun, 22 March 2015, 20:47:22
That would be the day ;DA MX switch that finaly mimics the feel of Topre ? O.O.... PlzIsn't that what the novatouch is for?
I want the reverse though. :( so I can use those beautiful Korean boards but with the great feeling of Topre.
I guess you'd have me half converted to cup rubber that way.
My bet is still on a giant MX compatible dong.
Post by: whentheclouds on Sun, 22 March 2015, 20:51:00
Post by: Dihedral on Mon, 23 March 2015, 06:33:25
mass produced MX-compatible Topre switches would definitely be one of the great milestones in keyboarding history. i wonder if HHKB and Leopold are ready for when that day comes
The only new switch type that GH would be more excited for than legit cherry 62g ergo clears.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 23 March 2015, 07:15:22
mass produced MX-compatible Topre switches would definitely be one of the great milestones in keyboarding history. i wonder if HHKB and Leopold are ready for when that day comes
Your asking for a round peg to be put in a square hole, topre switches (I hesitate to call them switches as they aren't discrete switches like mx switches are) by design are entirely different than mx switches.
mass produced MX-compatible Topre switches would definitely be one of the great milestones in keyboarding history. i wonder if HHKB and Leopold are ready for when that day comes
The only new switch type that GH would be more excited for than legit cherry 62g ergo clears.
I think if there truly was a market for ergo clears cherry would make them, it's all mostly hype.
Post by: njbair on Mon, 23 March 2015, 09:17:48
mass produced MX-compatible Topre switches would definitely be one of the great milestones in keyboarding history. i wonder if HHKB and Leopold are ready for when that day comes
Your asking for a round peg to be put in a square hole, topre switches (I hesitate to call them switches as they aren't discrete switches like mx switches are) by design are entirely different than mx switches.
The two are fundamentally different, but there's really no reason you couldn't put a single rubber dome, spring, and capacitive pad inside a discrete switch casing.
Post by: Sygaldry on Mon, 23 March 2015, 09:56:41
Digilog bro!A MX switch that finaly mimics the feel of Topre ? O.O.... PlzIsn't that what the novatouch is for?
I want the reverse though. :( so I can use those beautiful Korean boards but with the great feeling of Topre.
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 23 March 2015, 17:46:17
(http://i.imgur.com/FMs5Vle.png)
Post by: sethk_ on Mon, 23 March 2015, 18:22:38
Post by: Cottonsox on Mon, 23 March 2015, 18:34:08
Post by: PunksDead on Mon, 23 March 2015, 18:35:38
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 23 March 2015, 18:40:57
Post by: Evo_Spec on Mon, 23 March 2015, 21:39:25
I still have no idea what it is, all i'm seeing is a switch cause that's what everyone is saying XD
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 23 March 2015, 22:09:05
I just want to say thanks to the people who are putting the pieces together and posting it.
I still have no idea what it is, all i'm seeing is a switch cause that's what everyone is saying XD
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mekqqmxkuw1qml4gd.gif)
Post by: joey on Tue, 24 March 2015, 02:36:10
Gateron Stabs! In Semi Clear/Clear that they use in there switches.I hope it's this!
Post by: Dihedral on Tue, 24 March 2015, 02:55:07
mass produced MX-compatible Topre switches would definitely be one of the great milestones in keyboarding history. i wonder if HHKB and Leopold are ready for when that day comes
Your asking for a round peg to be put in a square hole, topre switches (I hesitate to call them switches as they aren't discrete switches like mx switches are) by design are entirely different than mx switches.mass produced MX-compatible Topre switches would definitely be one of the great milestones in keyboarding history. i wonder if HHKB and Leopold are ready for when that day comes
The only new switch type that GH would be more excited for than legit cherry 62g ergo clears.
I think if there truly was a market for ergo clears cherry would make them, it's all mostly hype.
I would buy them in a heartbeat. I think there would be a market as a matias quiet click style 'ergo switch'
Post by: Evo_Spec on Tue, 24 March 2015, 10:28:28
Show Image(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mekqqmxkuw1qml4gd.gif)
Of course! how did i not see that till now....
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 24 March 2015, 18:44:46
(http://i.imgur.com/xFPLeu1.png)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 24 March 2015, 18:49:19
Post by: sethk_ on Tue, 24 March 2015, 18:54:50
Ohhh pwnnarwhal, we need your MS Paint skillz.You can't get these skills through MS Paint, photoshop is the only way you get the skillz
(http://i.gyazo.com/c2cf396eade36f2d6069964c67aa3b46.png)
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 24 March 2015, 18:56:28
Ohhh pwnnarwhal, we need your MS Paint skillz.You can't get these skills through MS Paint, photoshop is the only way you get the skillzShow Image(http://i.gyazo.com/c2cf396eade36f2d6069964c67aa3b46.png)
But your Day 7 slice is misaligned by a couple pixels. :(
Post by: sethk_ on Tue, 24 March 2015, 18:57:57
Thats because I am using Gyazo to screenshot the photoshop canvas.Ohhh pwnnarwhal, we need your MS Paint skillz.You can't get these skills through MS Paint, photoshop is the only way you get the skillzShow Image(http://i.gyazo.com/c2cf396eade36f2d6069964c67aa3b46.png)
But your Day 7 slice is misaligned by a couple pixels. :(
(http://gyazo.com/16f80ea2af4825a73e60e4ab11d1708f)
Post by: Bromono on Tue, 24 March 2015, 19:05:11
Post by: njbair on Tue, 24 March 2015, 19:06:47
Ohhh pwnnarwhal, we need your MS Paint skillz.You can't get these skills through MS Paint, photoshop is the only way you get the skillzShow Image(http://i.gyazo.com/c2cf396eade36f2d6069964c67aa3b46.png)
But your Day 7 slice is misaligned by a couple pixels. :(
At least he's trying to help!!!
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 25 March 2015, 11:53:56
(http://i.imgur.com/F886mOv.png)
Post by: FoC_Tow on Wed, 25 March 2015, 15:09:45
(http://i.imgur.com/W1eYbDA.png)
Edit: Increased the size and fixed a few issues :)
Post by: njbair on Wed, 25 March 2015, 16:23:47
Post by: FoC_Tow on Wed, 25 March 2015, 17:31:20
Gateron Stabs! In Semi Clear/Clear that they use in there switches.
I'll definitely cry salty tears of joy if this is what it will be!
It also was what I guessed on day 6 but tbh I'm even more confused about the puzzle now then back then... xD
Post by: mr.squishy on Wed, 25 March 2015, 17:39:56
And for those that can't see it, mentally rotate the image 90 degrees counter clockwise :thumb:
Post by: FoC_Tow on Thu, 26 March 2015, 05:49:06
I definitely see a stem, looks MX or MX compatible to me.
And for those that can't see it, mentally rotate the image 90 degrees counter clockwise :thumb:
Oh wow... Thx squishy! :thumb:
That actually did the trick haha I can see it now! xD
Idk how I couldn't just visualize it before just because its rotated... Silly me!
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 26 March 2015, 13:04:35
(http://i.imgur.com/hMeCwTk.png)
Post by: sethk_ on Thu, 26 March 2015, 14:03:57
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 26 March 2015, 15:54:08
Post by: slickmamba on Fri, 27 March 2015, 01:09:48
Post by: tbc on Fri, 27 March 2015, 02:34:25
i win
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 27 March 2015, 13:42:29
(http://i.imgur.com/Auhjggt.png)
Post by: sethk_ on Fri, 27 March 2015, 14:10:49
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 27 March 2015, 14:13:34
Show Image(http://i.gyazo.com/eaf35e84fd16afa91f3cd54a97f9294d.png)
It is potato. I celebrate with special Latvia potato.
(http://memeguy.com/photos/images/cake-day-in-latvia-sorry-for-potato-quality-120877.jpg)
Post by: sethk_ on Fri, 27 March 2015, 14:15:50
Two latvian look at clouds. One see potato. Other see impossible dream. Is same cloud.Show Image(http://i.gyazo.com/eaf35e84fd16afa91f3cd54a97f9294d.png)
It is potato. I celebrate with special Latvia potato.Show Image(http://memeguy.com/photos/images/cake-day-in-latvia-sorry-for-potato-quality-120877.jpg)
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 27 March 2015, 14:29:47
Show Image(http://i.gyazo.com/eaf35e84fd16afa91f3cd54a97f9294d.png)
It is potato. I celebrate with special Latvia potato.Show Image(http://memeguy.com/photos/images/cake-day-in-latvia-sorry-for-potato-quality-120877.jpg)
Two latvian look at clouds. One see potato. Other see impossible dream. Is same cloud.
In Latvia, girl below has much wealth
More
(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/005/970/I-can-count-to-potato.jpg)
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 28 March 2015, 16:31:56
(http://i.imgur.com/NZHiPQL.png)
Post by: Dihedral on Sun, 29 March 2015, 05:31:35
Post by: azhdar on Sun, 29 March 2015, 05:35:01
Post by: Evo_Spec on Sun, 29 March 2015, 08:08:13
My only other guess is like a display case for artisans or something.....
Post by: Dihedral on Sun, 29 March 2015, 08:16:19
Is anyone seeing anything other than a switch?
My only other guess is like a display case for artisans or something.....
I can't see how it wouldn't be a switch, unless Zeal's having us on (https://youtu.be/nLHNJ7vgbYo?t=8s).
Post by: njbair on Sun, 29 March 2015, 21:27:27
That, and it looks like a switch.
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 30 March 2015, 00:23:06
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 30 March 2015, 00:36:35
Gateron Lock switch.
:eek:
Post by: joey on Mon, 30 March 2015, 03:04:07
Gateron Lock switch.:thumb:
Post by: justify on Mon, 30 March 2015, 11:06:45
Post by: njbair on Mon, 30 March 2015, 11:38:34
Maybe it is a discrete Topre-style switch, or a discrete BS switch.
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 30 March 2015, 12:20:05
Day 14:
(http://i.imgur.com/5T9RnyM.png)
Day 15:
(http://i.imgur.com/Z7q0Jrf.png)
Post by: Dihedral on Mon, 30 March 2015, 12:24:44
Post by: njbair on Mon, 30 March 2015, 12:57:21
That, my friends, is definitely a Cherry stem.
Post by: suicidal_orange on Mon, 30 March 2015, 13:01:38
Post by: FoC_Tow on Mon, 30 March 2015, 13:10:19
It won't take 100 pieces to figure out. :)
I'm not so sure about that anymore...
After 15 days we still don't really seem to know more then we did on day 2 xD
Gateron Lock switch.
Ö_Ö
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 30 March 2015, 13:31:28
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 30 March 2015, 13:32:47
I find it amusing that no one even knows why we're guessing what this thing is. It has not been established as a contest/giveaway, where the winner would get the item in question; there is no such incentive. Why the hell are we guessing? Why are we letting Zeal win? Let's fight the power and boycott the nonsense. >:D(http://www.skypeur.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/emoticon-0109-kiss.gif)
Post by: Dihedral on Mon, 30 March 2015, 13:32:50
I find it amusing that no one even knows why we're guessing what this thing is. It has not been established as a contest/giveaway, where the winner would get the item in question; there is no such incentive. Why the hell are we guessing? Why are we letting Zeal win? Let's fight the power and boycott the nonsense. >:D
Good luck getting that to work. Even with your powers :)
Post by: Dihedral on Mon, 30 March 2015, 13:34:23
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 30 March 2015, 13:41:16
I find it amusing that no one even knows why we're guessing what this thing is. It has not been established as a contest/giveaway, where the winner would get the item in question; there is no such incentive. Why the hell are we guessing? Why are we letting Zeal win? Let's fight the power and boycott the nonsense. >:D
YEAH!! **** THE POLICE!! FIGHT THE POWER!!
(http://i100.independent.co.uk/image/22521-5h6qpe.gif)
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 31 March 2015, 12:30:33
(http://i.imgur.com/0Z9jaFo.png)
Post by: sethk_ on Tue, 31 March 2015, 12:38:09
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 31 March 2015, 12:45:22
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 31 March 2015, 12:58:42
(http://i.imgur.com/4cAVDYM.jpg)
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 31 March 2015, 13:03:55
Days 17-27:How did you know?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/4cAVDYM.jpg)
Post by: heedpantsnow on Tue, 31 March 2015, 13:07:24
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 31 March 2015, 13:12:54
Someone wake me when the reveal happens in 3 months...
(http://i.imgur.com/cbcO7qw.jpg)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 31 March 2015, 13:17:39
It's a Gateron clear switch with a Gateron transparent top, right?
Probably a completely clear noppoo switch instead.
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 31 March 2015, 13:23:43
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 31 March 2015, 13:24:50
Juicy bits coming soon™
I promise there will be no pics of my juicy bits if you speed this thing up.
Post by: FoC_Tow on Tue, 31 March 2015, 13:25:21
Show Image(http://gifstumblr.com/images/im-bored_1030.gif)
We could do what your signature suggests Sir!
(http://i.giphy.com/5oOPvZJVEx6Za.gif)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 31 March 2015, 16:01:04
Let's fight the power and boycott the nonsense. >:D
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 01 April 2015, 12:04:30
(http://i.imgur.com/Q2HvxDD.png)
Post by: Dihedral on Wed, 01 April 2015, 12:33:58
This is, as promised, getting interesting. That spike looks like the pin on the bottom of an MX switch to me, just translucent.
Post by: pichu23 on Wed, 01 April 2015, 12:36:39
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 01 April 2015, 12:37:42
Project Zealio? WAT?
This is, as promised, getting interesting. That spike looks like the pin on the bottom of an MX switch to me, just translucent.
(http://i.imgur.com/QEqn5bI.png)
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 01 April 2015, 12:39:02
rgb goodness. #ohplease
(http://i.imgur.com/JyrfG9W.png)
Post by: Dihedral on Wed, 01 April 2015, 12:39:58
Project Zealio? WAT?
This is, as promised, getting interesting. That spike looks like the pin on the bottom of an MX switch to me, just translucent.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/QEqn5bI.png)
I think I may be right...
(http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/images/products/large_596_WhiteCherryMX_PCB_6.jpg)
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 01 April 2015, 12:40:52
Project Zealio? WAT?
This is, as promised, getting interesting. That spike looks like the pin on the bottom of an MX switch to me, just translucent.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/QEqn5bI.png)
I think I may be right...Show Image(http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/images/products/large_596_WhiteCherryMX_PCB_6.jpg)
Except mine's better.
(http://i.imgur.com/7mQxApS.png)
Post by: Dihedral on Wed, 01 April 2015, 12:51:24
[attachimg=1]
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 01 April 2015, 12:53:54
OK so here's what I think the most recent image is, explained.
(Attachment Link)
Hue.
(http://i.imgur.com/j0klcgg.png)
Post by: sethk_ on Wed, 01 April 2015, 12:56:11
Post by: Dihedral on Wed, 01 April 2015, 12:57:36
OK so here's what I think the most recent image is, explained.
(Attachment Link)
Hue.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/j0klcgg.png)
That looks to me like the 'chunkier' MX pin. It gives us an idea of what angle the shot is taken from, so this is getting good!
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 01 April 2015, 12:59:26
OK so here's what I think the most recent image is, explained.
(Attachment Link)
Hue.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/j0klcgg.png)
That looks to me like the 'chunkier' MX pin. It gives us an idea of what angle the shot is taken from, so this is getting good!
I'm afraid your guess is a bit off
(http://i.imgur.com/7lbmo4i.png)
Post by: joey on Wed, 01 April 2015, 13:41:37
Sorry for not putting them in an image, too much work to do right nowWanted: Someone with awesome Paint skills.
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 01 April 2015, 13:45:25
Sorry for not putting them in an image, too much work to do right nowWanted: Someone with awesome Paint skills.
Is there a need?
(http://i.imgur.com/4Mba352.png)
Post by: njbair on Wed, 01 April 2015, 14:43:51
[attach=1]
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 01 April 2015, 14:45:06
OK well we've got two parts here...
/me gasps
It's a SWITCH! :eek:
Post by: sethk_ on Wed, 01 April 2015, 14:45:44
OK well we've got two parts here...Thanks! You did the work I didn't want to XD
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Post by: Lastpilot on Wed, 01 April 2015, 14:46:28
Post by: plegnic on Wed, 01 April 2015, 14:47:30
Not sure if it's the angle but the stem looks longer than usual....and the housing is maybe shorter? Switches specifically for low profile casings?I think it's just that the two chunks of the image aren't lined up perfectly.
Post by: sethk_ on Wed, 01 April 2015, 14:48:04
Not sure if it's the angle but the stem looks longer than usual....and the housing is maybe shorter? Switches specifically for low profile casings?I think the housing is longer, he just moved it so the image was smaller, and it might be the angle for the stem?
Post by: Lastpilot on Wed, 01 April 2015, 14:48:26
Not sure if it's the angle but the stem looks longer than usual....and the housing is maybe shorter? Switches specifically for low profile casings?I think it's just that the two chunks of the image aren't lined up perfectly.
Ah, duh. Forgot they were disconnected. :))
Post by: njbair on Wed, 01 April 2015, 14:49:03
Not sure if it's the angle but the stem looks longer than usual....and the housing is maybe shorter? Switches specifically for low profile casings?
I might have things in the wrong spot so far.
Post by: plegnic on Wed, 01 April 2015, 14:51:34
(http://i.imgur.com/WVpRE5t.png)
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 01 April 2015, 14:51:36
"NDA: By opening this bag, you hereby agree not to reveal any info or pictures of Project Zealio!"
**** NDA. PICTURE! BAM!
Post by: njbair on Wed, 01 April 2015, 14:53:03
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Post by: Lastpilot on Wed, 01 April 2015, 14:53:13
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XYsWZj7.jpg?1)
"NDA: By opening this bag, you hereby agree not to reveal any info or pictures of Project Zealio!"
**** NDA. PICTURE! BAM!
How do I sign up for the Zealio Closed Beta Test?
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 01 April 2015, 15:04:11
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XYsWZj7.jpg?1)
"NDA: By opening this bag, you hereby agree not to reveal any info or pictures of Project Zealio!"
**** NDA. PICTURE! BAM!
How do I sign up for the Zealio Closed Beta Test?
It's still in alpha.
(http://i.imgur.com/hq7E8zm.png)
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Post by: Lastpilot on Wed, 01 April 2015, 15:05:33
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 01 April 2015, 15:06:22
It's still in alpha.
/me is still waiting
Post by: njbair on Wed, 01 April 2015, 15:14:20
Post by: plegnic on Wed, 01 April 2015, 15:37:01
(http://i.imgur.com/K6j5sDI.png)
Post by: azhdar on Wed, 01 April 2015, 15:39:00
We can probably guess a few pieces:I don't see how this picture is ever gonna be helpfull, the label are always on the top of the switches, so it will look just like a gateron clear.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/K6j5sDI.png)
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 01 April 2015, 15:42:29
(http://i.imgur.com/NCYfVCN.png)
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(http://i.imgur.com/oeqiNAe.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/OFuBF1x.png)
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Post by: Lastpilot on Wed, 01 April 2015, 15:42:34
I don't see how this picture is ever gonna be helpfull, the label are always on the top of the switches, so it will look just like a gateron clear.
It looks like there is something in that fat middle bottom stem. Probably some kind of lightsaber crystal.
Post by: plegnic on Wed, 01 April 2015, 16:06:49
(http://i.imgur.com/tMNjAmJ.png)
Post by: sethk_ on Wed, 01 April 2015, 16:09:51
A couple pixels off.I think it is a cherry rgb switch stillShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/tMNjAmJ.png)
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 01 April 2015, 16:37:27
A couple pixels off.I think it is a cherry rgb switch stillShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/tMNjAmJ.png)
It does look similar. Maybe the holes in the bottom housing for the LED aren't the same as the Cherry RGB switch.
Gateron RGB switch?
Post by: sethk_ on Wed, 01 April 2015, 17:04:57
Thats the most likely answerA couple pixels off.I think it is a cherry rgb switch stillShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/tMNjAmJ.png)
It does look similar. Maybe the holes in the bottom housing for the LED aren't the same as the Cherry RGB switch.
Gateron RGB switch?
Post by: exitfire401 on Wed, 01 April 2015, 17:07:20
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 01 April 2015, 17:31:41
A couple pixels off.I think it is a cherry rgb switch stillShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/tMNjAmJ.png)
Except Cherry RGB switches are milky white on the bottom...
(http://i.imgur.com/pBBZZzJ.jpg)
Post by: Cottonsox on Wed, 01 April 2015, 17:32:43
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 01 April 2015, 17:38:07
Ok, ok, Goat switches with fully trans housings.
Post by: slickmamba on Wed, 01 April 2015, 20:43:35
Gold leafed clear top/bottom gateron switches to fix the gateron leafs not being protected
Maybe minus the gateron part? Gf aha close enough ;)
Post by: Moralless on Wed, 01 April 2015, 20:47:45
A couple pixels off.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tMNjAmJ.png)
Looks like there's a gateron switch in front of whatever project zealio is.
Time to restart the puzzle with a new pic!
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 01 April 2015, 21:01:42
(http://i.imgur.com/luLIJOo.png)
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Post by: njbair on Wed, 01 April 2015, 21:03:23
Post by: sethk_ on Wed, 01 April 2015, 21:04:33
Sorry folks. I'm at home now and Photoshop doesn't work on my Chromebook.I can do it once my CSGO comp game ends
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 01 April 2015, 21:05:01
(http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Anticlimactic+gif+warning+i+told+you_29fb5e_4574068.gif)
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 01 April 2015, 21:06:08
So gold leaf Gateron Clear. Too much hype for that reveal.Show Image(http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/Anticlimactic+gif+warning+i+told+you_29fb5e_4574068.gif)
I don't think you see it. :P
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 01 April 2015, 21:16:17
[NSFW]
More
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0490/7329/files/Project_Zealio.jpg)
Would be funny if all of this was a cruel April 1st joke...
Post by: sethk_ on Wed, 01 April 2015, 21:20:48
(http://i.gyazo.com/522599948e31c7e6d4c3127e852e1c3a.png)
Post by: Alex92 on Wed, 01 April 2015, 21:28:28
All of the image that you need to knowShow Image(http://i.gyazo.com/522599948e31c7e6d4c3127e852e1c3a.png)
Aww man...and I just finished it too :p
(http://i.imgur.com/GG4dG1V.png)
Post by: njbair on Wed, 01 April 2015, 21:32:28
Underskirt shot. :))
[NSFW]MoreShow Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0490/7329/files/Project_Zealio.jpg)
Would be funny if all of this was a cruel April 1st joke...
I definitely see LED holes there.
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 01 April 2015, 21:32:45
Soooooo
(http://new4.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Well+that+was+anticlimactic+i+m+a+bit+disappointed+to+be+_bb32b284d836dd621eae6093d28f2944.gif)
Post by: sethk_ on Wed, 01 April 2015, 21:32:51
Yours is a lot better than mine anywaysAll of the image that you need to knowShow Image(http://i.gyazo.com/522599948e31c7e6d4c3127e852e1c3a.png)
Aww man...and I just finished it too :pShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/GG4dG1V.png)
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 01 April 2015, 21:35:38
Outside of the fact that it looks to have a gold spring inside with gold contacts, I'm not getting the hype...unless there's an SMD LED module in the post in the middle.
SooooooShow Image(http://new4.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Well+that+was+anticlimactic+i+m+a+bit+disappointed+to+be+_bb32b284d836dd621eae6093d28f2944.gif)
There is a little more hype left that you guys haven't figured out.
This last bit that he hasn't revealed is much more than just "reddit relevant".
I'll leave you to figure out the hype. :thumb:
Post by: sethk_ on Wed, 01 April 2015, 21:37:41
Well in the picture there is something red :<Outside of the fact that it looks to have a gold spring inside with gold contacts, I'm not getting the hype...unless there's an SMD LED module in the post in the middle.
SooooooShow Image(http://new4.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Well+that+was+anticlimactic+i+m+a+bit+disappointed+to+be+_bb32b284d836dd621eae6093d28f2944.gif)
There is a little more hype left that you guys haven't figured out.
This last bit that he hasn't revealed is much more than just "reddit relevant".
I'll leave you to figure out the hype. :thumb:
Post by: njbair on Wed, 01 April 2015, 21:40:09
Well in the picture there is something red :<Outside of the fact that it looks to have a gold spring inside with gold contacts, I'm not getting the hype...unless there's an SMD LED module in the post in the middle.
SooooooShow Image(http://new4.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Well+that+was+anticlimactic+i+m+a+bit+disappointed+to+be+_bb32b284d836dd621eae6093d28f2944.gif)
There is a little more hype left that you guys haven't figured out.
This last bit that he hasn't revealed is much more than just "reddit relevant".
I'll leave you to figure out the hype. :thumb:
Yeah you're right. It's red and there's a spirally thing.
Post by: Latin00032 on Wed, 01 April 2015, 21:49:46
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 01 April 2015, 21:52:08
Post by: HTN47 on Wed, 01 April 2015, 21:57:57
whoops nub posted the answer :D
Switch has LED in the middle and lights up when it's depressed.
Post by: njbair on Wed, 01 April 2015, 22:04:06
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 01 April 2015, 22:29:06
Is that really what this is? If it's an RGB LED where are the 4 extra leads?
?
Post by: Cottonsox on Wed, 01 April 2015, 22:31:35
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 01 April 2015, 22:32:08
Is that really what this is? If it's an RGB LED where are the 4 extra leads?
?
Where's my mystery package?
Post by: KnivesM on Wed, 01 April 2015, 22:34:12
Post by: njbair on Wed, 01 April 2015, 22:36:54
Post by: VesperSAINT on Thu, 02 April 2015, 00:43:40
I've got one. I've felt it. I've touched it. I've used it.
I love it~ For a factory new switch, it's dank, son. Beats any factory new MX switch.
I'm hype. Sign me up for an entire batch, plox.
I took these photos earlier tonight~ Sorry for some blur~ They were rushed :(
(http://i.imgur.com/hBPJHKM.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Th164eD.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/XqyW05D.jpg)
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Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Thu, 02 April 2015, 00:50:37
Post by: VesperSAINT on Thu, 02 April 2015, 00:52:00
Neato!!!
They're neato alright!!! I can't wait to get more...
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 02 April 2015, 00:58:57
Neato!!!
(http://new3.fjcdn.com/comments/Black+matured+baby+is+impressed+_687535464393f1e0419cf5d036fcd1f8.jpg)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Thu, 02 April 2015, 00:59:51
You only got one right now??? what a tease... :))Neato!!!
They're neato alright!!! I can't wait to get more...
I'm not a huge LED fan, but if you get them set up right... could be legit... Would be real
sick for capslock and numpad setup...
Post by: VesperSAINT on Thu, 02 April 2015, 01:03:17
You only got one right now??? what a tease... :))
I'm not a huge LED fan, but if you get them set up right... could be legit... Would be real
sick for capslock and numpad setup...
I'm with you, mane. I don't own a single backlit keyboard because I honestly don't really care for them. However, a well EVENLY lit keyboard under the keycaps would look dayum fine. Even if not backlit, these clear switches would look mighty fine too.
Neato!!!Show Image(http://new3.fjcdn.com/comments/Black+matured+baby+is+impressed+_687535464393f1e0419cf5d036fcd1f8.jpg)
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/996658/funny-baby-o.gif)
Post by: azhdar on Thu, 02 April 2015, 01:30:38
How does this work? Can you set the color or does it just cycle through them all the time?Same question.
Also who's the manufacturer?
Post by: Zeroo on Thu, 02 April 2015, 04:31:14
Better be gateron for optimal girthHow does this work? Can you set the color or does it just cycle through them all the time?Same question.
Also who's the manufacturer?
Post by: Dihedral on Thu, 02 April 2015, 07:06:09
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 02 April 2015, 07:10:30
How does this work? Can you set the color or does it just cycle through them all the time?Same question.
Also who's the manufacturer?
Those LEDs just cycle through all of the colours unfortunately.
I don't know of any 2x3x4 or 1.8mm LEDs which allow you to control the colours.
Post by: pichu23 on Thu, 02 April 2015, 22:01:31
Post by: feizor on Tue, 14 April 2015, 07:27:05
How does this work? Can you set the color or does it just cycle through them all the time?Same question.
Also who's the manufacturer?
Those LEDs just cycle through all of the colours unfortunately.
I don't know of any 2x3x4 or 1.8mm LEDs which allow you to control the colours.
I think the point of the video was not the RGB led but infact the totally see through transparent switch housing.
Post by: wakko on Mon, 27 April 2015, 00:05:50
Post by: fi0x on Sat, 06 June 2015, 09:01:20
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Awesome.And then I was like wait...
Cherry MX Clears in a "clear" switch casing with gold springs and contacts?
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:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Now to prepare my wallet...
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Replace Starlight Breaker with Project Zealio and replace the first 'you' with 'your wallet'.
Replace Starlight Breaker with Project Zealio and replace the first 'you' with 'your wallet'.
Thank you Zeal!
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Post by: adamski07 on Fri, 17 July 2015, 20:32:08
Post by: njbair on Fri, 17 July 2015, 23:25:59
This is awesome! I'll try to get a spot for Mira and hoping to be in the first 57. I am also hoping that Winkeyless remembers my suggestions of having a better controller for their boards. It would be nice if we can set any color we want for each RGB LED. Unfortunately, their current controller can't do this yet. Only few different RGB modes and just the on board's led.
AFAIK the RGB channels on these switches are not individually addressable, so they really won't help you towards your goal of fully-customizable backlighting.
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 22 July 2015, 16:27:06
Post by: mashby on Wed, 22 July 2015, 17:15:03
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 29 July 2015, 01:30:38
#hypeisreal
Post by: radio_killah on Wed, 29 July 2015, 01:32:50
Announcement tomorrow morning.
#hypeisreal
LETSSSSSSSSSSS GO :-*
Post by: azhdar on Wed, 29 July 2015, 01:38:17
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 29 July 2015, 11:02:12
Introducing Project Zealios - 62g gold plated springs in an exclusive custom made Purple "MX Clear" stem. No ErgoBrown Gateron bull**** (cough). This is the real deal. Along with the project was a custom made transparent switch bottom housing to maximize LED lighting. Switch will be compatible with 4-pin RGB LEDs (not pictured). The purple stems have the tight stem cross removed from the original MX Clear stems. No more accidental switch breaking! Yay!
(http://puu.sh/jh6Mu/3ac26033a2.png)
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 29 July 2015, 11:05:59
Where is the purchase link??!?
Post by: VesperSAINT on Wed, 29 July 2015, 11:06:20
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 29 July 2015, 11:09:08
Wow!
Where is the purchase link??!?
After receiving some samples hopefully next week, I'll be sending a few out to builders/reviewers. After that phase, a GB will be made. :)
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Wed, 29 July 2015, 11:09:16
Wow!
Where is the purchase link??!?
Yes I need to buy these!
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 29 July 2015, 11:09:38
Wow!
Where is the purchase link??!?
After receiving some samples hopefully next week, I'll be sending a few out to builders/reviewers. After that phase, a GB will be made. :)
:D
I believe you have my address, sir...
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 29 July 2015, 11:10:35
Wow!
Where is the purchase link??!?
After receiving some samples hopefully next week, I'll be sending a few out to builders/reviewers. After that phase, a GB will be made. :)
Send me some samples bro??
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 29 July 2015, 11:15:39
Wow!
Where is the purchase link??!?
After receiving some samples hopefully next week, I'll be sending a few out to builders/reviewers. After that phase, a GB will be made. :)
:D
I believe you have my address, sir...
Wow!
Where is the purchase link??!?
After receiving some samples hopefully next week, I'll be sending a few out to builders/reviewers. After that phase, a GB will be made. :)
Send me some samples bro??
;)
Post by: radio_killah on Wed, 29 July 2015, 11:15:50
You asked for it, we delivered.
Introducing Project Zealios - 62g gold plated springs in an exclusive custom made Purple "MX Clear" stem. No ErgoBrown Gateron bull**** (cough). This is the real deal. Along with the project was a custom made transparent switch bottom housing to maximize LED lighting. Switch will be compatible with 4-pin RGB LEDs (not pictured).Show Image(http://puu.sh/jh6Mu/3ac26033a2.png)
:thumb: Beautiful!
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 29 July 2015, 11:22:58
These purple stems have the tight stem cross removed from the original MX Clear stems. No more accidental switch breaking!
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Wed, 29 July 2015, 11:27:20
Oh, I also forgot to mention...
These purple stems have the tight stem cross removed from the original MX Clear stems. No more accidental switch breaking!
I am gonna need to get a bunch of these for some customs. What is the cost per switch looking like?
Post by: aznairjordan on Wed, 29 July 2015, 11:27:31
You asked for it, we delivered.
Introducing Project Zealios - 62g gold plated springs in an exclusive custom made Purple "MX Clear" stem. No ErgoBrown Gateron bull**** (cough). This is the real deal. Along with the project was a custom made transparent switch bottom housing to maximize LED lighting. Switch will be compatible with 4-pin RGB LEDs (not pictured).Show Image(http://puu.sh/jh6Mu/3ac26033a2.png)
so nice.. will definitely be picking up some for my hubble mira :D
Post by: Invaderevan on Wed, 29 July 2015, 11:31:20
Post by: joey on Wed, 29 July 2015, 11:33:44
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 29 July 2015, 11:36:43
You asked for it, we delivered.
Introducing Project Zealios - 62g gold plated springs in an exclusive custom made Purple "MX Clear" stem. No ErgoBrown Gateron bull**** (cough). This is the real deal. Along with the project was a custom made transparent switch bottom housing to maximize LED lighting. Switch will be compatible with 4-pin RGB LEDs (not pictured).Show Image(http://puu.sh/jh6Mu/3ac26033a2.png)
so nice.. will definitely be picking up some for my hubble mira :D
Official Mira switch... I think so :))
But seriously, when you purchase your Mira (which will likely happen over Zeal's site) consider picking up some of these as well!
Post by: Sent on Wed, 29 July 2015, 11:37:00
Post by: VesperSAINT on Wed, 29 July 2015, 11:40:23
So, like, Zeal, I need these. I need a lot of these. Just saying.
This goes too well with your avatar, mane...
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 29 July 2015, 11:40:53
Post by: jbondeson on Wed, 29 July 2015, 11:41:08
What kind of manufacturing timeframe are we talking?
Post by: Sifo on Wed, 29 July 2015, 11:41:13
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 29 July 2015, 11:44:06
Maximum overhype.
It looks like its time to produce the ****loard
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 29 July 2015, 11:44:59
So, like, Zeal, I need these. I need a lot of these. Just saying.
I need lots. too.
Post by: Sent on Wed, 29 July 2015, 11:45:05
So, like, Zeal, I need these. I need a lot of these. Just saying.
This goes too well with your avatar, mane...
That's my asking politely face. :)) :-*
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 29 July 2015, 11:46:01
Welp, no more switch buying for a while.
What kind of manufacturing timeframe are we talking?
It shouldn't be too long. I'm going to guess under a month, but will confirm before GB.
Post by: cwils0n on Wed, 29 July 2015, 11:48:04
I wants them.
Post by: jbondeson on Wed, 29 July 2015, 11:53:39
It shouldn't be too long. I'm going to guess under a month, but will confirm before GB.
I will prepare my wallet!
I foresee several of my keyboards going under the soldering iron later this year. :)
Post by: Lastpilot on Wed, 29 July 2015, 11:54:54
Post by: aznairjordan on Wed, 29 July 2015, 12:01:43
Noob question time, will the mira pcb support the rgb leds that zeal is talking about?You asked for it, we delivered.
Introducing Project Zealios - 62g gold plated springs in an exclusive custom made Purple "MX Clear" stem. No ErgoBrown Gateron bull**** (cough). This is the real deal. Along with the project was a custom made transparent switch bottom housing to maximize LED lighting. Switch will be compatible with 4-pin RGB LEDs (not pictured).Show Image(http://puu.sh/jh6Mu/3ac26033a2.png)
so nice.. will definitely be picking up some for my hubble mira :D
Official Mira switch... I think so :))
But seriously, when you purchase your Mira (which will likely happen over Zeal's site) consider picking up some of these as well!
Post by: radio_killah on Wed, 29 July 2015, 12:11:04
Noob question time, will the mira pcb support the rgb leds that zeal is talking about?You asked for it, we delivered.
Introducing Project Zealios - 62g gold plated springs in an exclusive custom made Purple "MX Clear" stem. No ErgoBrown Gateron bull**** (cough). This is the real deal. Along with the project was a custom made transparent switch bottom housing to maximize LED lighting. Switch will be compatible with 4-pin RGB LEDs (not pictured).Show Image(http://puu.sh/jh6Mu/3ac26033a2.png)
so nice.. will definitely be picking up some for my hubble mira :D
Official Mira switch... I think so :))
But seriously, when you purchase your Mira (which will likely happen over Zeal's site) consider picking up some of these as well!
Nope it doesnt not. They are not the same thing. Mira will only support the usual single color 2 pin LED's the ones Zeal is talking about are full color range 4 pin LEDs.
Post by: aznairjordan on Wed, 29 July 2015, 12:18:20
Noob question time, will the mira pcb support the rgb leds that zeal is talking about?You asked for it, we delivered.
Introducing Project Zealios - 62g gold plated springs in an exclusive custom made Purple "MX Clear" stem. No ErgoBrown Gateron bull**** (cough). This is the real deal. Along with the project was a custom made transparent switch bottom housing to maximize LED lighting. Switch will be compatible with 4-pin RGB LEDs (not pictured).Show Image(http://puu.sh/jh6Mu/3ac26033a2.png)
so nice.. will definitely be picking up some for my hubble mira :D
Official Mira switch... I think so :))
But seriously, when you purchase your Mira (which will likely happen over Zeal's site) consider picking up some of these as well!
Nope it doesnt not. They are not the same thing. Mira will only support the usual single color 2 pin LED's the ones Zeal is talking about are full color range 4 pin LEDs.
hmm okay, guess I gotta get these sip socketed then. Thanks for the info!
Post by: admiralvorian on Wed, 29 July 2015, 12:21:38
Post by: livingspeedbump on Wed, 29 July 2015, 12:22:15
I see many, many of these in my future :thumb:
Post by: Booper on Wed, 29 July 2015, 12:23:00
Post by: livingspeedbump on Wed, 29 July 2015, 12:24:31
#hypetrainisapparentlytooreal
Totally going to stick these in the Mira.
The hype of these+mira may finally do me in.
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 29 July 2015, 12:32:09
Holy crap those are super sexy. I'm in for sure!
Boop's purple seal of approval? ;)
Well done!
I see many, many of these in my future :thumb:
I do too. So glad that the dream is finally becoming a reality!
Zeal this is some next-level **** man
Thanks! :)
Post by: mashby on Wed, 29 July 2015, 12:32:31
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 29 July 2015, 12:33:27
I'm more of a linear guy, but these would look GREAT in the ALT 60!!!
Linear 62g variant will be the "clear" stem shown on April 1st... :) Both switches will be available during the pre-order/GB!
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 29 July 2015, 12:34:18
I'm more of a linear guy, but these would look GREAT in the ALT 60!!!
Or a JD45, really. Just because the PCB is red means nothing! :))
Post by: Joey Quinn on Wed, 29 July 2015, 12:34:34
That is when (if :( ) it arrives.
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 29 July 2015, 12:44:24
Zeal I need these for my Pink 456!
That is when (if :( ) it arrives.
:( I hope your 456 is found promptly and undamaged.
Post by: Lurch on Wed, 29 July 2015, 12:44:26
I will definitely be grabbling some of these.
Nice one Zeal. :thumb:
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 29 July 2015, 12:46:11
I'm more of a linear guy, but these would look GREAT in the ALT 60!!!
Or a JD45, really. Just because the PCB is red means nothing! :))
Someone needs to find a way to make transparent PCBs w/o the yellow tint from fiberglass.
Post by: sethk_ on Wed, 29 July 2015, 12:46:47
it would probably be very expensive, but you could do glass.I'm more of a linear guy, but these would look GREAT in the ALT 60!!!
Or a JD45, really. Just because the PCB is red means nothing! :))
Someone needs to find a way to make transparent PCBs w/o the yellow tint from fiberglass.
Post by: Joey Quinn on Wed, 29 July 2015, 12:47:27
USPS started being very helpful once I dropped the 1k insurance bomb. The board is boxed with 4-5in of foam on every side so I'm fairly sure that it'll be well protected.Zeal I need these for my Pink 456!
That is when (if :( ) it arrives.
:( I hope your 456 is found promptly and undamaged.
Seriously though, I'm putting these switches in the board. They'll look great with the pink.
Post by: byker on Wed, 29 July 2015, 12:53:55
Post by: Joey Quinn on Wed, 29 July 2015, 13:00:52
I remember seeing a glass PCB somewhere with moderately transparent traces so light could shine through. IIRC it was on some eng field trip 2ish years ago.it would probably be very expensive, but you could do glass.I'm more of a linear guy, but these would look GREAT in the ALT 60!!!
Or a JD45, really. Just because the PCB is red means nothing! :))
Someone needs to find a way to make transparent PCBs w/o the yellow tint from fiberglass.
Post by: Blackhawk on Wed, 29 July 2015, 13:03:07
Post by: Karura on Wed, 29 July 2015, 13:08:57
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Wed, 29 July 2015, 13:38:21
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 29 July 2015, 13:41:57
Dang it, now I'll be forced to add support for RGB LEDs on the AUNK... And buy tons of these switches as well.
+1 for more RGB aftermarket PCB designs. :) I'm also in the works with a PCB designer to support 4 pin RGB LEDs.
Post by: njbair on Wed, 29 July 2015, 13:52:41
Post by: romevi on Wed, 29 July 2015, 14:31:31
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Wed, 29 July 2015, 14:43:53
I need lots of these :D Guess my (brief) self imposed GB ban will be over (again)!
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 29 July 2015, 14:47:41
*unzips.....*
I need lots of these :D Guess my (brief) self imposed GB ban will be over (again)!
I hear you. I'm not really buying keyboard stuff anymore, and I have to have these. Many. Many of these.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 29 July 2015, 14:52:28
*unzips.....*
I need lots of these :D Guess my (brief) self imposed GB ban will be over (again)!
I hear you. I'm not really buying keyboard stuff anymore, and I have to have these. Many. Many of these.
I'm not even using MX boards anymore and I'm thinking about buying some.
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 29 July 2015, 14:55:29
*unzips.....*
I need lots of these :D Guess my (brief) self imposed GB ban will be over (again)!
I hear you. I'm not really buying keyboard stuff anymore, and I have to have these. Many. Many of these.
I'm not even using MX boards anymore and I'm thinking about buying some.
I'm using two Dell SK-8115's. One at home, one at work. I win. :))
Post by: digi on Wed, 29 July 2015, 14:57:05
using two Dell SK-8115's. One at home, one at work. I win. :))
I really hope you're joking...not cool.....not cool.
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 29 July 2015, 14:59:38
using two Dell SK-8115's. One at home, one at work. I win. :))
I really hope you're joking...not cool.....not cool.
Not joking, actually. :)
Dell SK-8115. One at home, one at work. Pretty darn good for a rubber dome over membrane. I disassembled one for painting, and learned why I like these Dells. Slider (attached to keycap) in a channel over the rubber dome sheet. Under the domes are a pair of membranes, very much like what are in an IBM Model M.
I painted the one I use at home white. Now I just need to swap those green LEDs for blue ones.
Made new Dell thread here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=73999.0), so we don't derail Zeal's thread any more.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 29 July 2015, 15:00:53
Maybe I'll dust this off and use it. (It's very tactile)using two Dell SK-8115's. One at home, one at work. I win. :))
I really hope you're joking...not cool.....not cool.
Not joking, actually. :)Dell SK-8115. One at home, one at work. Pretty darn good for a rubber dome over membrane. I disassembled one for painting, and learned why I like these Dells. Slider (attached to keycap) in a channel over the rubber dome sheet. Under the domes are a pair of membranes, very much like what are in an IBM Model M.
I painted the one I use at home white. Now I just need to swap those green LEDs for blue ones.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/29/5c0bebd77ff229d55bef07668cf550f7.jpg)
Post by: chromatically on Wed, 29 July 2015, 15:03:01
Post by: romevi on Wed, 29 July 2015, 15:03:21
Maybe I'll dust this off and use it. (It's very tactile)using two Dell SK-8115's. One at home, one at work. I win. :))
I really hope you're joking...not cool.....not cool.
Not joking, actually. :)Dell SK-8115. One at home, one at work. Pretty darn good for a rubber dome over membrane. I disassembled one for painting, and learned why I like these Dells. Slider (attached to keycap) in a channel over the rubber dome sheet. Under the domes are a pair of membranes, very much like what are in an IBM Model M.
I painted the one I use at home white. Now I just need to swap those green LEDs for blue ones.Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/29/5c0bebd77ff229d55bef07668cf550f7.jpg)
I used to have that keyboard at work and I loved it! I didn't even know it was a really good rubberdome; I just loved using it.
Edit:
Yes! The IT guy still had a couple left. Gonna give back the ****ty wireless Logitech.
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Post by: digi on Wed, 29 July 2015, 15:07:55
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 29 July 2015, 15:07:57
Are they going to be generally available for purchase after the GB?
Post by: monotagary on Wed, 29 July 2015, 15:14:16
Post by: Noko on Wed, 29 July 2015, 15:26:45
Right down to the purple. !!!!
Post by: mbrown559 on Wed, 29 July 2015, 15:28:58
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 29 July 2015, 15:30:29
It seems that these tick all the boxes, including some boxes that didn't exist!
Are they going to be generally available for purchase after the GB?
Yes, I plan on stocking them on my site after the GB. :)
This is incredible Zeal! The hype for this is real.
Thanks!
Zeal, you are amazing. Holy amazeballs.
Right down to the purple. !!!!
Yeeeeeee purple!
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 29 July 2015, 15:52:07
Wow!
Where is the purchase link??!?
After receiving some samples hopefully next week, I'll be sending a few out to builders/reviewers. After that phase, a GB will be made. :)
Send me some samples bro??
This is a list I need to be on as well. Damn those are sexy.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 29 July 2015, 16:08:45
Wow!
Where is the purchase link??!?
After receiving some samples hopefully next week, I'll be sending a few out to builders/reviewers. After that phase, a GB will be made. :)
Send me some samples bro??
This is a list I need to be on as well. Damn those are sexy.
+1 ;)
Post by: asgeirtj on Wed, 29 July 2015, 16:22:09
Questions:
1. Was anyone breaking their switches because of the tight stem on the clears? I didn't see any disadvantage to those fat stem crosses but I liked that it make me feel that my caps weren't loose (I've had some trouble with loose caps, maybe I got a faulty batch of browns), but I won't mind if the stem isn't fat if it doesn't have any advantage to it.
2. How is the stem different from stock stems apart from the other color and nonfat crosses? Are the sliders shaved like some people seem to do to supposedly make them smoother?
3. Is the housing made from different materials than regular MX switches? And if yes does that pose a problem? I know that Lastpilot mentioned that when he made a board with transparent housings on the switches he lubed the upper housing because it made for a more silent upstroke (this is not a problem with stock mx housing, lubing the upper housing is irrelevant).
Post by: kennardsmith on Wed, 29 July 2015, 16:41:48
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 29 July 2015, 17:48:02
Very nice!
Questions:
1. Was anyone breaking their switches because of the tight stem on the clears? I didn't see any disadvantage to those fat stem crosses but I liked that it make me feel that my caps weren't loose (I've had some trouble with loose caps, maybe I got a faulty batch of browns), but I won't mind if the stem isn't fat if it doesn't have any advantage to it.
2. How is the stem different from stock stems apart from the other color and nonfat crosses? Are the sliders shaved like some people seem to do to supposedly make them smoother?
3. Is the housing made from different materials than regular MX switches? And if yes does that pose a problem? I know that Lastpilot mentioned that when he made a board with transparent housings on the switches he lubed the upper housing because it made for a more silent upstroke (this is not a problem with stock mx housing, lubing the upper housing is irrelevant).
1. Yes, it's a huge problem that's quite widely known. Especially happens on tight keycaps (GMK ABS, Gateron PBT, etc)
If you were using imsto keycaps, those are generally very loose keycaps. That may be why it felt "just right" on MX Clears.
(http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b534/terran5994/10FC8130-01C4-4798-AFEA-232A6CF90CE4-320-0000002ECAE8B10F_zps6a153924.jpg)
2. It's the same other than the cross-stem. However, you can expect a smoother feeling that we all appreciate from Gateron. I'm not too sure what you mean by shaving the slider...that would make it rougher.
3. Slider is POM, housing is Nylon. Pretty much same materials as Cherry switches. I think the clear housing that Lastpilot used where from another manufacturer, that used a different more brittle material.
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 29 July 2015, 18:34:27
Not just to find a pcb with the 4 pin socket! :)
Post by: Lastpilot on Wed, 29 July 2015, 18:55:20
3. Is the housing made from different materials than regular MX switches? And if yes does that pose a problem? I know that Lastpilot mentioned that when he made a board with transparent housings on the switches he lubed the upper housing because it made for a more silent upstroke (this is not a problem with stock mx housing, lubing the upper housing is irrelevant).3. Slider is POM, housing is Nylon. Pretty much same materials as Cherry switches. I think the clear housing that Lastpilot used where from another manufacturer, that used a different more brittle material.
QFT. Correct! Those were abostudio tops and were sort of loose and brittle. I haven't had any problem with the gateron tops, they've been really nice and I've done 4 builds with them. ^-^
Post by: Air tree on Wed, 29 July 2015, 20:52:10
Post by: Cameron on Wed, 29 July 2015, 21:09:08
Can we expect them to be around the same price point of cherry switches or is it going to be significantly higher?
Post by: ImBZppl on Wed, 29 July 2015, 21:28:05
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 29 July 2015, 21:33:15
How much are these going to cost though?
Can we expect them to be around the same price point of cherry switches or is it going to be significantly higher?
It will be priced higher than Cherry switches, but under $1. Pricing is still being finalized.
Post by: sethk_ on Wed, 29 July 2015, 21:47:20
I would also like to point out that these come with gold springs in them already, and with clear tops, so the higher pricing makes sense. I also missed the clear bottomsHow much are these going to cost though?
Can we expect them to be around the same price point of cherry switches or is it going to be significantly higher?
It will be priced higher than Cherry switches, but under $1. Pricing is still being finalized.
Post by: Latin00032 on Wed, 29 July 2015, 22:25:08
Post by: KatzenKinder on Wed, 29 July 2015, 22:33:00
Post by: Dodgy on Wed, 29 July 2015, 22:48:38
No way I'm going to miss this GB.
Post by: ileben on Wed, 29 July 2015, 23:12:13
In other words, how would I ago about acquiring a keyboard with these. I have 0 soldering skills and I don't wanna buy a random pcb mounted kb just to be able to open the switches and replace the spring (I prefer plate mounted) so ergo-clear is not possible for me.
Can I pay someone to make me one? :) I NEED more MX tactility in my life, browns are not enough.
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 29 July 2015, 23:18:26
So I'm a bit new here. What does this mean for the future, is this going to be available only withing a GB, or is it possible that a manufacturer would pick these up and put them in a keyboard?
In other words, how would I ago about acquiring a keyboard with these. I have 0 soldering skills and I don't wanna buy a random pcb mounted kb just to be able to open the switches and replace the spring (I prefer plate mounted) so ergo-clear is not possible for me.
Can I pay someone to make me one? :) I NEED more MX tactility in my life, browns are not enough.
Switches will likely be kept in constantly replenishing supply at Zeal's store and will only be sold officially through there and nowhere else.
I don't expect them to be picked up by any manufacturer so you would need to get someone to solder these in for you.
These switches have stock 62g springs meaning that they are already ergo clears.
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Wed, 29 July 2015, 23:40:36
So I'm a bit new here. What does this mean for the future, is this going to be available only withing a GB, or is it possible that a manufacturer would pick these up and put them in a keyboard?
In other words, how would I ago about acquiring a keyboard with these. I have 0 soldering skills and I don't wanna buy a random pcb mounted kb just to be able to open the switches and replace the spring (I prefer plate mounted) so ergo-clear is not possible for me.
Can I pay someone to make me one? :) I NEED more MX tactility in my life, browns are not enough.
Switches will likely be kept in constantly replenishing supply at Zeal's store and will only be sold officially through there and nowhere else.
I don't expect them to be picked up by any manufacturer so you would need to get someone to solder these in for you.
These switches have stock 62g springs meaning that they are already ergo clears.
Yeah, what Frosty said.
To add; PCB mounted switches turn into plate mounted with the snip of some clippers. The difference is just two tiny plastic legs that you can clip off. I only had highschool soldering experience from 10+ years ago and soldering up my first KB was one of the funnest things I've done in the past few years :D
Post by: nmur on Wed, 29 July 2015, 23:44:38
this means we can probably eventually have 60% boards with RGB ergo clears....
Post by: ileben on Thu, 30 July 2015, 00:10:08
So I'm a bit new here. What does this mean for the future, is this going to be available only withing a GB, or is it possible that a manufacturer would pick these up and put them in a keyboard?
In other words, how would I ago about acquiring a keyboard with these. I have 0 soldering skills and I don't wanna buy a random pcb mounted kb just to be able to open the switches and replace the spring (I prefer plate mounted) so ergo-clear is not possible for me.
Can I pay someone to make me one? :) I NEED more MX tactility in my life, browns are not enough.
Switches will likely be kept in constantly replenishing supply at Zeal's store and will only be sold officially through there and nowhere else.
I don't expect them to be picked up by any manufacturer so you would need to get someone to solder these in for you.
These switches have stock 62g springs meaning that they are already ergo clears.
Thanks for the info. Yep, I understand these are already ergo clears, what I meant was if I could do it to a plate mounted board without desoldering I'd go that way, but since I'd need to desolder I can't do it. Well, looks like if these aren't picked up by a board manufacturer I will have to learn soldering either way. Time to learn a new skill :)
Post by: Evo_Spec on Thu, 30 July 2015, 01:59:31
Post by: asgeirtj on Thu, 30 July 2015, 02:34:11
2. It's the same other than the cross-stem. However, you can expect a smoother feeling that we all appreciate from Gateron. I'm not too sure what you mean by shaving the slider...that would make it rougher.
I'm sorry but I don't understand then, what is it that's different about the switch then that makes is smoother than stock cherry? Is it because of the springs ?
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 30 July 2015, 03:36:43
2. It's the same other than the cross-stem. However, you can expect a smoother feeling that we all appreciate from Gateron. I'm not too sure what you mean by shaving the slider...that would make it rougher.
I'm sorry but I don't understand then, what is it that's different about the switch then that makes is smoother than stock cherry? Is it because of the springs ?
Newer / smoother / better made molds = smoother plastic parts that are made. If you've ever done some fancy chocolate art making, you'd know that layering melted chocolate on a shiny stainless bowl will result in a shiny chocolate semi-sphere on the inside. If the surface of the bowl was scratched up and matte, the chocolate would form a matte and rough surface.
Same concept goes to molds and injected plastic. The switch molds created today are newer and should be smoother than old Cherry molds that Cherry has reused for decades.
The surface finish of the metal leaf on Cherry/Gateron bottom housings could be different as well. The leaf plays a huge role in whether a switch feels smooth or not. There's a bunch of possible factors that could also lead to a smoother Gateron switch.
Post by: asgeirtj on Thu, 30 July 2015, 07:51:03
2. It's the same other than the cross-stem. However, you can expect a smoother feeling that we all appreciate from Gateron. I'm not too sure what you mean by shaving the slider...that would make it rougher.
I'm sorry but I don't understand then, what is it that's different about the switch then that makes is smoother than stock cherry? Is it because of the springs ?
Newer / smoother / better made molds = smoother plastic parts that are made. If you've ever done some fancy chocolate art making, you'd know that layering melted chocolate on a shiny stainless bowl will result in a shiny chocolate semi-sphere on the inside. If the surface of the bowl was scratched up and matte, the chocolate would form a matte and rough surface.
Same concept goes to molds and injected plastic. The switch molds created today are newer and should be smoother than old Cherry molds that Cherry has reused for decades.
The surface finish of the metal leaf on Cherry/Gateron bottom housings could be different as well. The leaf plays a huge role in whether a switch feels smooth or not. There's a bunch of possible factors that could also lead to a smoother Gateron switch.
Sweet! Thanks for info, will definitely buy :thumb:
Post by: filphil on Thu, 30 July 2015, 09:21:52
Post by: azhdar on Thu, 30 July 2015, 09:25:27
Will these switches have a high actuation point compared to cherry? For some reason that bothers me about all the other Gateron switches and, on paper, doesn't sound like my preference.
Really I don't notice it at all when switching between gaterons and cherries.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 30 July 2015, 09:26:44
Post by: sethk_ on Thu, 30 July 2015, 09:27:10
Will these switches have a high actuation point compared to cherry? For some reason that bothers me about all the other Gateron switches and, on paper, doesn't sound like my preference.Gaterons have the same actuation point as cherry, don't they?
Post by: strict on Thu, 30 July 2015, 09:35:00
I'm using two Dell SK-8115's. One at home, one at work. I win. :))
I've long said if I were going to go back to "normal" keyboards it would either be the SK-8115 or the SK-8135. IMO they're some of the best rubber dome membrane boards.
As far as the actual topic at hand, are these "Zealio" switches made by Gateron? Can we expect a similar level of smoothness found in their linear switches except with the tactility of a Cherry Clear stem? If so, I can see myself ordering wayyy too many of these :))
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 30 July 2015, 09:58:44
I'm using two Dell SK-8115's. One at home, one at work. I win. :))
I've long said if I were going to go back to "normal" keyboards it would either be the SK-8115 or the SK-8135. IMO they're some of the best rubber dome membrane boards.
As far as the actual topic at hand, are these "Zealio" switches made by Gateron? Can we expect a similar level of smoothness found in their linear switches except with the tactility of a Cherry Clear stem? If so, I can see myself ordering wayyy too many of these :))
Tactility is modeled after the Cherry MX Clear stem. Yes, Gateron and I partnered up to have these switches exclusively made for me.
I've decided to wait another week before receiving samples so Gateron could make the bottoms PCB mount (forgot to mention that when the tooling was being made...Oops). Sorry for the wait guys!
Post by: sethk_ on Thu, 30 July 2015, 10:00:41
will the pcb bottoms work like cherry ones, or will they be like stock gateronI'm using two Dell SK-8115's. One at home, one at work. I win. :))
I've long said if I were going to go back to "normal" keyboards it would either be the SK-8115 or the SK-8135. IMO they're some of the best rubber dome membrane boards.
As far as the actual topic at hand, are these "Zealio" switches made by Gateron? Can we expect a similar level of smoothness found in their linear switches except with the tactility of a Cherry Clear stem? If so, I can see myself ordering wayyy too many of these :))
Tactility is modeled after the Cherry MX Clear stem. Yes, Gateron and I partnered up to have these switches exclusively made for me.
I've decided to wait another week before receiving samples so Gateron could make the bottoms PCB mount (forgot to mention that when the tooling was being made...Oops). Sorry for the wait guys!
Edit: I actually only heard about this and never tried it. After trying it, they seem to work, sorry
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 30 July 2015, 10:29:52
Post by: njbair on Thu, 30 July 2015, 10:31:22
Some aftermarket PCB manufacturers choose to make their PCB holes a tiny bit smaller for a snugger PCB mount feel. Due to manufacturing tolerances, this can sometimes make the Gateron PCB mount seem too tight. I've brought this issue up to Gateron as well, and they'll try to make the microfins a tiny bit smaller. However too small, and some PCBs may be too loose for the switches.
You can always ream out tight PCB holes. Makes more sense to keep the switches standard, as it's harder to add material to a switch bottom than to take it away from a PCB.
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 30 July 2015, 10:44:55
Some aftermarket PCB manufacturers choose to make their PCB holes a tiny bit smaller for a snugger PCB mount feel. Due to manufacturing tolerances, this can sometimes make the Gateron PCB mount seem too tight. I've brought this issue up to Gateron as well, and they'll try to make the microfins a tiny bit smaller. However too small, and some PCBs may be too loose for the switches.
You can always ream out tight PCB holes. Makes more sense to keep the switches standard, as it's harder to add material to a switch bottom than to take it away from a PCB.
Agreed. Easier to make a hole larger, not smaller.
Post by: Latin00032 on Thu, 30 July 2015, 11:04:39
1. Are these pre-lubed in anyway?
2. Cherry mx switches had a little wiggle between the top and bottom halves. Gateron has less wiggle. How do these purple switches compare?
Thanks.
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 30 July 2015, 11:30:12
I don't know if this was asked but:
1. Are these pre-lubed in anyway?
2. Cherry mx switches had a little wiggle between the top and bottom halves. Gateron has less wiggle. How do these purple switches compare?
Thanks.
It will only come stock factory lubed on the legs like every other switch (both Gateron and Cherry). Lubing ergoclears is subjective, and everyone has their own tastes on where to apply lube, and how thick the lube should be. I've left that for the end users to decide and mod.
Given that these switches are manufactured by Gateron, you can expect the little to no wiggle room between the two halves.
Post by: Invaderevan on Thu, 30 July 2015, 12:17:41
I don't know if this was asked but:
1. Are these pre-lubed in anyway?
2. Cherry mx switches had a little wiggle between the top and bottom halves. Gateron has less wiggle. How do these purple switches compare?
Thanks.
It will only come stock factory lubed on the legs like every other switch (both Gateron and Cherry). Lubing ergoclears is subjective, and everyone has their own tastes on where to apply lube, and how thick the lube should be. I've left that for the end users to decide and mod.
Given that these switches are manufactured by Gateron, you can expect the little to no wiggle room between the two halves.
would that make stickering these kinda useless? other than cosmetic i guess
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 30 July 2015, 12:36:42
I don't know if this was asked but:
1. Are these pre-lubed in anyway?
2. Cherry mx switches had a little wiggle between the top and bottom halves. Gateron has less wiggle. How do these purple switches compare?
Thanks.
It will only come stock factory lubed on the legs like every other switch (both Gateron and Cherry). Lubing ergoclears is subjective, and everyone has their own tastes on where to apply lube, and how thick the lube should be. I've left that for the end users to decide and mod.
Given that these switches are manufactured by Gateron, you can expect the little to no wiggle room between the two halves.
would that make stickering these kinda useless? other than cosmetic i guess
Pretty much. You might even be adding unecessary stress to the housings by adding a film in between.
Post by: nmur on Thu, 30 July 2015, 12:37:14
imo stickering is considerably more for aesthetics rather than the added rigidity, especially when stem wobble usually overshadows it's benefits anyway. it can even just be a thing to do if you're opening the switches anyway.I don't know if this was asked but:
1. Are these pre-lubed in anyway?
2. Cherry mx switches had a little wiggle between the top and bottom halves. Gateron has less wiggle. How do these purple switches compare?
Thanks.
It will only come stock factory lubed on the legs like every other switch (both Gateron and Cherry). Lubing ergoclears is subjective, and everyone has their own tastes on where to apply lube, and how thick the lube should be. I've left that for the end users to decide and mod.
Given that these switches are manufactured by Gateron, you can expect the little to no wiggle room between the two halves.
would that make stickering these kinda useless? other than cosmetic i guess
I've also just realised that I never thought to buy purple stickers before, because they wouldn't match any stems....
Post by: digi on Thu, 30 July 2015, 12:37:45
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 30 July 2015, 12:38:53
Sorry if this has been asked already and I'm sure it depends on how many switches are ordered but might there be a rough estimate of cost per switch on these? thanks Zeal!
How much are these going to cost though?
Can we expect them to be around the same price point of cherry switches or is it going to be significantly higher?
It will be priced higher than Cherry switches, but under $1. Pricing is still being finalized.
Post by: digi on Thu, 30 July 2015, 12:42:06
Sorry if this has been asked already and I'm sure it depends on how many switches are ordered but might there be a rough estimate of cost per switch on these? thanks Zeal!How much are these going to cost though?
Can we expect them to be around the same price point of cherry switches or is it going to be significantly higher?
It will be priced higher than Cherry switches, but under $1. Pricing is still being finalized.
Thanks CPT. Damn, purple LEDs on these purp switches, gonna be so purp'd out. I'm freaking out maaan!
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m136/juliehenson05/supertroopers.jpg)
Post by: cooldiscretion on Thu, 30 July 2015, 13:10:42
AboStudio switch tops, I would hate to have that happen again with these.
Post by: Bloo on Thu, 30 July 2015, 13:24:26
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 30 July 2015, 13:40:36
Don't know if anyone has asked this yet, but is the switch housing plastic durable? After ripping multiple stems throughGateron switch tops are miles more durable than the brittle abostudio ones. You don't have to worry about ripping the stems out. The purple stems don't have the cross-tightening stem mounts found on Clears, so there really isn't anything to worry about.
AboStudio switch tops, I would hate to have that happen again with these.
Are there pcbs that support this pin layout or have controllers that can push these leds?
There isn't an aftermarket PCB that supports 4pin RGB LEDs yet (it's in the works). However these switches will still be backwards compatible with regular 3mm, 2x3x4mm, 1.8mm LEDs.
Post by: cooldiscretion on Thu, 30 July 2015, 13:53:36
Don't know if anyone has asked this yet, but is the switch housing plastic durable? After ripping multiple stems throughGateron switch tops are miles more durable than the brittle abostudio ones. You don't have to worry about ripping the stems out. The purple stems don't have the cross-tightening stem mounts found on Clears, so there really isn't anything to worry about.
AboStudio switch tops, I would hate to have that happen again with these.
Good to know thanks for the quick answer. :)
Post by: njbair on Thu, 30 July 2015, 20:52:58
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 30 July 2015, 21:07:39
So, silly question maybe, but when you say these switches will be 4-pin LED compatible, you're talking about 4 thru-holes for the LED to sit on the top of the switch like normal LEDs?
This variant:
(http://puu.sh/jhAuy/358b98e5b1.jpg)
Post by: njbair on Thu, 30 July 2015, 21:20:43
So, silly question maybe, but when you say these switches will be 4-pin LED compatible, you're talking about 4 thru-holes for the LED to sit on the top of the switch like normal LEDs?
This variant:Show Image(http://puu.sh/jhAuy/358b98e5b1.jpg)
OK, so the LEDs will still sit on the switch top, and not just shine through from underneath the clear body?
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 30 July 2015, 21:49:11
So, silly question maybe, but when you say these switches will be 4-pin LED compatible, you're talking about 4 thru-holes for the LED to sit on the top of the switch like normal LEDs?
This variant:Show Image(http://puu.sh/jhAuy/358b98e5b1.jpg)
OK, so the LEDs will still sit on the switch top, and not just shine through from underneath the clear body?
Correct.
Post by: filphil on Fri, 31 July 2015, 13:13:32
Will these switches have a high actuation point compared to cherry? For some reason that bothers me about all the other Gateron switches and, on paper, doesn't sound like my preference.
Really I don't notice it at all when switching between gaterons and cherries.
Agreed with azhdar, the actuation point as I remember it on Gaterons isn't different from Cherry.
Will these switches have a high actuation point compared to cherry? For some reason that bothers me about all the other Gateron switches and, on paper, doesn't sound like my preference.Gaterons have the same actuation point as cherry, don't they?
That's my bad guys.
I thought for sure I read that somewhere on here. In that case that makes me pretty hype for these switches then. Sucks that I bought maybe 4 or 5 sets of 62g springs though, :))
Post by: qwack on Fri, 31 July 2015, 14:26:52
So, silly question maybe, but when you say these switches will be 4-pin LED compatible, you're talking about 4 thru-holes for the LED to sit on the top of the switch like normal LEDs?
This variant:Show Image(http://puu.sh/jhAuy/358b98e5b1.jpg)
This is going to be glorious. Do you know where to buy this king of RGB LEDs ? I had a RGB controller in the works but put it on hold due to the lack of easy to use LED form factor.
Post by: Dihedral on Fri, 31 July 2015, 15:21:19
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 31 July 2015, 21:48:18
So, silly question maybe, but when you say these switches will be 4-pin LED compatible, you're talking about 4 thru-holes for the LED to sit on the top of the switch like normal LEDs?
This variant:Show Image(http://puu.sh/jhAuy/358b98e5b1.jpg)
This is going to be glorious. Do you know where to buy this king of RGB LEDs ? I had a RGB controller in the works but put it on hold due to the lack of easy to use LED form factor.
Those types of LEDs are usually only sold to large keyboard OEM's in tens of thousands. I will be stocking them once a proper RGB LED PCB has been developed.
Post by: meiosis on Fri, 31 July 2015, 22:02:27
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Fri, 31 July 2015, 22:23:31
Those types of LEDs are usually only sold to large keyboard OEM's in tens of thousands. I will be stocking them once a proper RGB LED PCB has been developed.This explains why I'm not being able to find those LEDs on AliExpress. Maybe Alibaba?
Post by: romevi on Fri, 31 July 2015, 22:28:37
Will these switches have a high actuation point compared to cherry? For some reason that bothers me about all the other Gateron switches and, on paper, doesn't sound like my preference.
Really I don't notice it at all when switching between gaterons and cherries.Agreed with azhdar, the actuation point as I remember it on Gaterons isn't different from Cherry.Will these switches have a high actuation point compared to cherry? For some reason that bothers me about all the other Gateron switches and, on paper, doesn't sound like my preference.Gaterons have the same actuation point as cherry, don't they?
That's my bad guys.
I thought for sure I read that somewhere on here. In that case that makes me pretty hype for these switches then. Sucks that I bought maybe 4 or 5 sets of 62g springs though, :))
lol, I just bought a set of 62g springs from Sprit for some Ergo Clears in my Jane, but I think I'm going to put these instead.
Post by: qwack on Sat, 01 August 2015, 18:50:18
Those types of LEDs are usually only sold to large keyboard OEM's in tens of thousands. I will be stocking them once a proper RGB LED PCB has been developed.
Neat. Thanks.
Post by: rpeterclark on Sat, 01 August 2015, 19:04:35
So, silly question maybe, but when you say these switches will be 4-pin LED compatible, you're talking about 4 thru-holes for the LED to sit on the top of the switch like normal LEDs?
This variant:Show Image(http://puu.sh/jhAuy/358b98e5b1.jpg)
This is going to be glorious. Do you know where to buy this king of RGB LEDs ? I had a RGB controller in the works but put it on hold due to the lack of easy to use LED form factor.
Those types of LEDs are usually only sold to large keyboard OEM's in tens of thousands. I will be stocking them once a proper RGB LED PCB has been developed.
But the switches also support the regular 2x3x4mm, 3mm, 1.8mm LEDs that are out there, right?
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 01 August 2015, 19:06:15
So, silly question maybe, but when you say these switches will be 4-pin LED compatible, you're talking about 4 thru-holes for the LED to sit on the top of the switch like normal LEDs?
This variant:Show Image(http://puu.sh/jhAuy/358b98e5b1.jpg)
This is going to be glorious. Do you know where to buy this king of RGB LEDs ? I had a RGB controller in the works but put it on hold due to the lack of easy to use LED form factor.
Those types of LEDs are usually only sold to large keyboard OEM's in tens of thousands. I will be stocking them once a proper RGB LED PCB has been developed.
But the switches also support the regular 2x3x4mm, 3mm, 1.8mm LEDs that are out there, right?
Correct.
Post by: Dihedral on Sun, 02 August 2015, 02:04:10
Gateron Ergo Clears with Gateron Clear Casing.
:cool:
Post by: mtl on Sun, 02 August 2015, 20:59:44
This variant:Show Image(http://puu.sh/jhAuy/358b98e5b1.jpg)
This is going to be glorious. Do you know where to buy this king of RGB LEDs ? I had a RGB controller in the works but put it on hold due to the lack of easy to use LED form factor.
Those types of LEDs are usually only sold to large keyboard OEM's in tens of thousands. I will be stocking them once a proper RGB LED PCB has been developed.
In the near term, these (http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/2x5x5-Rectangular-tri-color-RGB-LED-4pins-Common-Anode-White-Diffused-Lens/800238_636417339.html) may be a little bigger and require bending the pins, but they work alright and are available in smaller quantities.
(http://i.imgur.com/QllpZAS.jpg)
Post by: potatowire on Sun, 02 August 2015, 21:10:40
Post by: dustinhxc on Sun, 02 August 2015, 21:13:48
You asked for it, we delivered.
Introducing Project Zealios - 62g gold plated springs in an exclusive custom made Purple "MX Clear" stem. No ErgoBrown Gateron bull**** (cough). This is the real deal. Along with the project was a custom made transparent switch bottom housing to maximize LED lighting. Switch will be compatible with 4-pin RGB LEDs (not pictured). The purple stems have the tight stem cross removed from the original MX Clear stems. No more accidental switch breaking! Yay!Show Image(http://puu.sh/jh6Mu/3ac26033a2.png)
Oh man.. Those purple stems are beautiful.. :thumb:
Post by: animated on Mon, 03 August 2015, 12:24:32
Very nice!
Questions:
1. Was anyone breaking their switches because of the tight stem on the clears? I didn't see any disadvantage to those fat stem crosses but I liked that it make me feel that my caps weren't loose (I've had some trouble with loose caps, maybe I got a faulty batch of browns), but I won't mind if the stem isn't fat if it doesn't have any advantage to it.
1. Yes, it's a huge problem that's quite widely known. Especially happens on tight keycaps (GMK ABS, Gateron PBT, etc)
If you were using imsto keycaps, those are generally very loose keycaps. That may be why it felt "just right" on MX Clears.Show Image(http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b534/terran5994/10FC8130-01C4-4798-AFEA-232A6CF90CE4-320-0000002ECAE8B10F_zps6a153924.jpg)
Sorry I've been away from the keyboard scene for a couple of months, but Gateron switches break when using GMK ABS and Gateron PBT?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 03 August 2015, 12:27:54
Very nice!
Questions:
1. Was anyone breaking their switches because of the tight stem on the clears? I didn't see any disadvantage to those fat stem crosses but I liked that it make me feel that my caps weren't loose (I've had some trouble with loose caps, maybe I got a faulty batch of browns), but I won't mind if the stem isn't fat if it doesn't have any advantage to it.
1. Yes, it's a huge problem that's quite widely known. Especially happens on tight keycaps (GMK ABS, Gateron PBT, etc)
If you were using imsto keycaps, those are generally very loose keycaps. That may be why it felt "just right" on MX Clears.
(http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b534/terran5994/10FC8130-01C4-4798-AFEA-232A6CF90CE4-320-0000002ECAE8B10F_zps6a153924.jpg) (http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b534/terran5994/10FC8130-01C4-4798-AFEA-232A6CF90CE4-320-0000002ECAE8B10F_zps6a153924.jpg)
Sorry I've been away from the keyboard scene for a couple of months, but Gateron switches break when using GMK ABS and Gateron PBT?
No, cherry mx clear stems tend to hold on to certain keycaps tighter and when you aren't careful removing the keycaps you will pull the stem right out of the switch. In Zeal's reproduction switch in partnership with Gateron they have tried to leave off that aspect of the mx clear stem.
Post by: animated on Mon, 03 August 2015, 12:31:32
Very nice!
Questions:
1. Was anyone breaking their switches because of the tight stem on the clears? I didn't see any disadvantage to those fat stem crosses but I liked that it make me feel that my caps weren't loose (I've had some trouble with loose caps, maybe I got a faulty batch of browns), but I won't mind if the stem isn't fat if it doesn't have any advantage to it.
1. Yes, it's a huge problem that's quite widely known. Especially happens on tight keycaps (GMK ABS, Gateron PBT, etc)
If you were using imsto keycaps, those are generally very loose keycaps. That may be why it felt "just right" on MX Clears.
(http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b534/terran5994/10FC8130-01C4-4798-AFEA-232A6CF90CE4-320-0000002ECAE8B10F_zps6a153924.jpg) (http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b534/terran5994/10FC8130-01C4-4798-AFEA-232A6CF90CE4-320-0000002ECAE8B10F_zps6a153924.jpg)
Sorry I've been away from the keyboard scene for a couple of months, but Gateron switches break when using GMK ABS and Gateron PBT?
No, cherry mx clear stems tend to hold on to certain keycaps tighter and when you aren't careful removing the keycaps you will pull the stem right out of the switch. In Zeal's reproduction switch in partnership with Gateron they have tried to leave off that aspect of the mx clear stem.
Thanks for the quick reply SpAmRaY, I was sweating there for a moment.
Post by: dante on Thu, 06 August 2015, 08:29:14
Post by: wlhlm on Wed, 12 August 2015, 18:49:55
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 12 August 2015, 20:57:48
Gimme GB naow!!!
Samples have been shipped out. Hopefully receive it by the end of the week. If not, I'll receive it on Monday.
Once I receive samples and they've been sent out to testers, I'll be receiving their feedback. That process should take around a week. If everything's A-OK, GB will commence at the end of August. :)
Post by: dante on Wed, 12 August 2015, 21:03:15
Gimme GB naow!!!
Samples have been shipped out. Hopefully receive it by the end of the week. If not, I'll receive it on Monday.
Once I receive samples and they've been sent out to testers, I'll be receiving their feedback. That process should take around a week. If everything's A-OK, GB will commence at the end of August. :)
Any thoughts on producing a Gateron "MX Green"?
Post by: theanyday on Wed, 12 August 2015, 21:24:16
Gimme GB naow!!!
Samples have been shipped out. Hopefully receive it by the end of the week. If not, I'll receive it on Monday.
Once I receive samples and they've been sent out to testers, I'll be receiving their feedback. That process should take around a week. If everything's A-OK, GB will commence at the end of August. :)
Omahgosh I can't wait, I really want to build my gf a keyboard with these. We both love purple and this is absolutely perfect with the color, spring, and clear housing! ;D :p Can not wait.
Post by: nmur on Wed, 12 August 2015, 21:27:40
Leaning towards the latter, because these are pretty sick.
Post by: njbair on Wed, 12 August 2015, 21:28:55
Post by: livingspeedbump on Wed, 12 August 2015, 21:43:08
Gimme GB naow!!!
Samples have been shipped out. Hopefully receive it by the end of the week. If not, I'll receive it on Monday.
Once I receive samples and they've been sent out to testers, I'll be receiving their feedback. That process should take around a week. If everything's A-OK, GB will commence at the end of August. :)
hype hype hype hype hype hype hype :thumb:
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 12 August 2015, 21:47:18
Gimme GB naow!!!
Samples have been shipped out. Hopefully receive it by the end of the week. If not, I'll receive it on Monday.
Once I receive samples and they've been sent out to testers, I'll be receiving their feedback. That process should take around a week. If everything's A-OK, GB will commence at the end of August. :)
Any thoughts on producing a Gateron "MX Green"?
It already exists. I got a few samples fresh from their production line at the factory, but they were prototyping, and the spring weight wasn't right. I told them about it, so it should be fixed now. I can provide some pics later in the evening.
It just occurred to me, is this the first time an MX Clear equivalent Gateron switch has been made?
Yes. I worked & invested with Gateron to make the improved MX Clear stem. :)
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Wed, 12 August 2015, 22:33:41
Yes. I worked & invested with Gateron to make the improved MX Clear stem. :)Zeal is the hero we need :thumb: :-*
(http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Tom-Hardy-Seduction-Wink-Reaction-Gif.gif)
Post by: sethk_ on Wed, 12 August 2015, 23:19:26
Post by: Evo_Spec on Thu, 13 August 2015, 00:17:25
Yes. I worked & invested with Gateron to make the improved MX Clear stem. :)Zeal is the hero we need :thumb: :-*
but not the one we deserve
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 13 August 2015, 01:29:49
Gimme GB naow!!!
Samples have been shipped out. Hopefully receive it by the end of the week. If not, I'll receive it on Monday.
Once I receive samples and they've been sent out to testers, I'll be receiving their feedback. That process should take around a week. If everything's A-OK, GB will commence at the end of August. :)
Any thoughts on producing a Gateron "MX Green"?
(http://i.imgur.com/cf13rzT.jpg)
Post by: dante on Thu, 13 August 2015, 08:37:31
Post by: jbondeson on Thu, 13 August 2015, 09:11:35
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 13 August 2015, 09:35:03
So what will the Gateron Green switch weight be set at?They should be similar to regular MX Greens. Gateron Greens weren't my custom order, and I don't have the final product on hand.
Zeal I really hope you're ready to be buried under the mountain of caps gateron's going to send you when this goes live. :))Caps? They're switches! ;)
Post by: jbondeson on Thu, 13 August 2015, 09:36:15
Caps? They're switches! ;)
:blank:
Yes, switches... caps on the brain.
Post by: dorf on Thu, 13 August 2015, 12:27:19
Post by: 64rky on Thu, 13 August 2015, 16:33:46
Post by: romevi on Thu, 13 August 2015, 17:35:56
Yup, these are going on my Mira!That's what I'm doing!
:thumb:
Post by: mashby on Thu, 13 August 2015, 17:37:35
Post by: livingspeedbump on Thu, 13 August 2015, 17:44:56
Yup, these are going on my Mira!That's what I'm doing!
:thumb:
me three :))
Post by: filphil on Thu, 13 August 2015, 22:30:06
Post by: ika on Fri, 14 August 2015, 09:03:23
It just occurred to me, is this the first time an MX Clear equivalent Gateron switch has been made?
Well given Gaterons have only been popular for the lesser part of a year, the answer is yes. I think this is the first time MX Clear type switches have been available from anyone other than Cherry.
Post by: Skuloth on Fri, 14 August 2015, 10:14:37
Really excited for this!
Post by: pichu23 on Fri, 14 August 2015, 11:24:14
Amazing to see the progress. Would defo get some for a 60% I've been planning for awhile.
1 q though, will the stock springs be 62g or some other weight? :O
Am very excited! :D
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 14 August 2015, 11:27:53
Wow, it's been a good while since I've dropped by this thread. :D
Amazing to see the progress. Would defo get some for a 60% I've been planning for awhile.
1 q though, will the stock springs be 62g or some other weight? :O
Am very excited! :D
Stock will be 62g gold plated springs.
Post by: pichu23 on Fri, 14 August 2015, 11:55:24
Wow, it's been a good while since I've dropped by this thread. :D
Amazing to see the progress. Would defo get some for a 60% I've been planning for awhile.
1 q though, will the stock springs be 62g or some other weight? :O
Am very excited! :D
Stock will be 62g gold plated springs.
Sick stuff bro ;D even more hype now ;)
Post by: Skuloth on Fri, 14 August 2015, 12:14:57
Specifically when?
Post by: nmur on Fri, 14 August 2015, 12:16:58
Are there any details about the group buy available yet?
Specifically when?
Gimme GB naow!!!
Samples have been shipped out. Hopefully receive it by the end of the week. If not, I'll receive it on Monday.
Once I receive samples and they've been sent out to testers, I'll be receiving their feedback. That process should take around a week. If everything's A-OK, GB will commence at the end of August. :)
Post by: Phirr on Fri, 14 August 2015, 13:13:23
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 14 August 2015, 13:15:40
Is there information on an expected price or is that a secret?
Sorry if this has been asked already and I'm sure it depends on how many switches are ordered but might there be a rough estimate of cost per switch on these? thanks Zeal!
How much are these going to cost though?
Can we expect them to be around the same price point of cherry switches or is it going to be significantly higher?
It will be priced higher than Cherry switches, but under $1. Pricing is still being finalized.
This is what has been posted so far.
Post by: njbair on Fri, 14 August 2015, 13:17:07
If these are smoother I wonder how will lighter Springs would work
Good question. The smoother slider may prevent the sticking issues some people have had with Ergo Clears.
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 14 August 2015, 13:32:08
Today:
(http://puu.sh/jBxdF/cbe4a68dd1.png)
<3 u DHL
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 14 August 2015, 14:26:51
Post by: jbondeson on Fri, 14 August 2015, 14:33:15
Are you still taking testers/reviewers? ;D
Ignore Hoff, just send me 87 and I'll get em all tested for ya! :cool:
Post by: dante on Fri, 14 August 2015, 18:36:30
Just received a buckling spring keyboard today and while I love it to bits it's becoming apparent that maybe I'd want to try something stiffer. What spring would you recommend in the Purple Gateron to get it closer to MX Gray Tactile?
"Why not just buy MX Gray Tactile now?" --> because as I understand it it's the same stem as the MX Clear with a stiffer spring; something I want to avoid due to the fat stem.
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 14 August 2015, 18:39:31
Hey Zeal,
Just received a buckling spring keyboard today and while I love it to bits it's becoming apparent that maybe I'd want to try something stiffer. What spring would you recommend in the Purple Gateron to get it closer to MX Gray Tactile?
"Why not just bought MX Gray Tactile now?" --> because as I understand it it's the same stem as the MX Clear with a stiffer spring; something I want to avoid due to the fat stem.
100g+ bottom out springs.
Post by: dante on Fri, 14 August 2015, 18:45:52
Hey Zeal,
Just received a buckling spring keyboard today and while I love it to bits it's becoming apparent that maybe I'd want to try something stiffer. What spring would you recommend in the Purple Gateron to get it closer to MX Gray Tactile?
"Why not just bought MX Gray Tactile now?" --> because as I understand it it's the same stem as the MX Clear with a stiffer spring; something I want to avoid due to the fat stem.
100g+ bottom out springs.
This is probably crazy talk and I'll get laughed at but Ż\_(ツ)_/Ż Will it be possible to order the switches without the springs for a slight discount? I see "gold" so I have no idea how much of an effect it will have on price.
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 14 August 2015, 18:47:17
Hey Zeal,
Just received a buckling spring keyboard today and while I love it to bits it's becoming apparent that maybe I'd want to try something stiffer. What spring would you recommend in the Purple Gateron to get it closer to MX Gray Tactile?
"Why not just bought MX Gray Tactile now?" --> because as I understand it it's the same stem as the MX Clear with a stiffer spring; something I want to avoid due to the fat stem.
100g+ bottom out springs.
This is probably crazy talk and I'll get laughed at but Ż\_(ツ)_/Ż Will it be possible to order the switches without the springs for a slight discount? I see "gold" so I have no idea how much of an effect it will have on price.
It wouldn't be possible to order the switches w/o springs, sorry. :( I guess for those spring swappers, you can always resell the springs inside?
Post by: dante on Fri, 14 August 2015, 18:53:33
Hey Zeal,
Just received a buckling spring keyboard today and while I love it to bits it's becoming apparent that maybe I'd want to try something stiffer. What spring would you recommend in the Purple Gateron to get it closer to MX Gray Tactile?
"Why not just bought MX Gray Tactile now?" --> because as I understand it it's the same stem as the MX Clear with a stiffer spring; something I want to avoid due to the fat stem.
100g+ bottom out springs.
This is probably crazy talk and I'll get laughed at but Ż\_(ツ)_/Ż Will it be possible to order the switches without the springs for a slight discount? I see "gold" so I have no idea how much of an effect it will have on price.
It wouldn't be possible to order the switches w/o springs, sorry. :( I guess for those spring swappers, you can always resell the springs inside?
Yes I'm sure some will want them - just won't know how to put a price on them :) Maybe I can find a keyboard assembler who will take them as a form of currency.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 14 August 2015, 19:17:08
Hey Zeal,
Just received a buckling spring keyboard today and while I love it to bits it's becoming apparent that maybe I'd want to try something stiffer. What spring would you recommend in the Purple Gateron to get it closer to MX Gray Tactile?
"Why not just bought MX Gray Tactile now?" --> because as I understand it it's the same stem as the MX Clear with a stiffer spring; something I want to avoid due to the fat stem.
100g+ bottom out springs.
This is probably crazy talk and I'll get laughed at but Ż\_(ツ)_/Ż Will it be possible to order the switches without the springs for a slight discount? I see "gold" so I have no idea how much of an effect it will have on price.
It wouldn't be possible to order the switches w/o springs, sorry. :( I guess for those spring swappers, you can always resell the springs inside?
It would actually be really excellent if you sold all the parts to the switches separate. Taking switches apart to mod them is so annoying. Of course, figuring out how to do that without risking damages during shipping is a problem...but still, it would make them even more appealing to me. :thumb:
Post by: sethk_ on Fri, 14 August 2015, 19:27:28
I do this with my vintage blacks when I sell them. I put the top and bottom together so the leaf doesn't bendHey Zeal,
Just received a buckling spring keyboard today and while I love it to bits it's becoming apparent that maybe I'd want to try something stiffer. What spring would you recommend in the Purple Gateron to get it closer to MX Gray Tactile?
"Why not just bought MX Gray Tactile now?" --> because as I understand it it's the same stem as the MX Clear with a stiffer spring; something I want to avoid due to the fat stem.
100g+ bottom out springs.
This is probably crazy talk and I'll get laughed at but Ż\_(ツ)_/Ż Will it be possible to order the switches without the springs for a slight discount? I see "gold" so I have no idea how much of an effect it will have on price.
It wouldn't be possible to order the switches w/o springs, sorry. :( I guess for those spring swappers, you can always resell the springs inside?
It would actually be really excellent if you sold all the parts to the switches separate. Taking switches apart to mod them is so annoying. Of course, figuring out how to do that without risking damages during shipping is a problem...but still, it would make them even more appealing to me. :thumb:
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 15 August 2015, 00:39:08
Post by: nmur on Sat, 15 August 2015, 00:47:44
Hey guys, pictures incoming. I've been testing out some spring weights and how lubing affects these switches. There /may/ be a possibility that I'll be upping the weight to 65g due to the smoothness of the switches. It gives it a bit more kick and life when lubed! :eek:
Exciting!
Because of the smoothness, is there a potential that a <62g spring could theoretically be used, as it would be less prone to catching on the bump on the way up?
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 15 August 2015, 00:59:46
Hey guys, pictures incoming. I've been testing out some spring weights and how lubing affects these switches. There /may/ be a possibility that I'll be upping the weight to 65g due to the smoothness of the switches. It gives it a bit more kick and life when lubed! :eek:
Exciting!
Because of the smoothness, is there a potential that a <62g spring could theoretically be used, as it would be less prone to catching on the bump on the way up?
I don't see why not!
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Sat, 15 August 2015, 01:37:17
Hey guys, pictures incoming. I've been testing out some spring weights and how lubing affects these switches. There /may/ be a possibility that I'll be upping the weight to 65g due to the smoothness of the switches. It gives it a bit more kick and life when lubed! :eek:
I really can't wait to get my hands on these! I'd be in for a slightly heavier spring!
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 15 August 2015, 01:58:20
Sorry for the wait guys!
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 15 August 2015, 02:08:06
Post by: donpark on Sat, 15 August 2015, 02:29:10
just to confirm, cherry keycaps will fit on these right?
Post by: joey on Sat, 15 August 2015, 02:35:02
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Sat, 15 August 2015, 02:35:12
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Sat, 15 August 2015, 02:36:41
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EJWBoqS.jpg)
So good. ^-^
Post by: Sent on Sat, 15 August 2015, 02:43:09
Post by: UTEster750 on Sat, 15 August 2015, 03:20:57
Sorry if I missed it (I'm pretty new around here...) but is it still possible for me to order a set of these, or have I missed out? (also, I have no idea how much a set would be, so there's that...)
Don't stress the group buy hasn't even started yet. Zeal has just got some testing samples for, well testing.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Sat, 15 August 2015, 03:21:46
Awesome! In that case, I definitely want to get in on this when the opportunity arises.Sorry if I missed it (I'm pretty new around here...) but is it still possible for me to order a set of these, or have I missed out? (also, I have no idea how much a set would be, so there's that...)
Don't stress the group buy hasn't even started yet. Zeal has just got some testing samples for, well testing.
Post by: UTEster750 on Sat, 15 August 2015, 05:18:15
Awesome! In that case, I definitely want to get in on this when the opportunity arises.Sorry if I missed it (I'm pretty new around here...) but is it still possible for me to order a set of these, or have I missed out? (also, I have no idea how much a set would be, so there's that...)
Don't stress the group buy hasn't even started yet. Zeal has just got some testing samples for, well testing.
Looking to make my first mech, and really want to use these switches in an Ergodox.
Post by: meiosis on Sat, 15 August 2015, 06:25:18
Post by: katushkin on Sat, 15 August 2015, 07:19:54
Post by: mashby on Sat, 15 August 2015, 08:34:48
(http://i.imgur.com/QVLPeGi.gif+)
Post by: dante on Sat, 15 August 2015, 09:04:55
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 15 August 2015, 09:11:23
I'm confused .... you are showing bags of Gateron Purples already in the photo - does this mean there will be a Gateron Purple V2 down the line - or that you'll get to pick from two options in the GB?You'll get to pick from two options in the GB. Purple will be tactile, "milky white" (Gateron clear) will be linear.
Post by: HendyZone on Sat, 15 August 2015, 09:20:43
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EJWBoqS.jpg)
Nice one Zeal :thumb:
Post by: katushkin on Sat, 15 August 2015, 09:48:36
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Sat, 15 August 2015, 11:07:53
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/s8u2WAg.gif)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ie4LxMx.gif)
Sorry for the wait guys!
Can I get a few? :-*
Post by: ika on Sat, 15 August 2015, 14:00:36
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 15 August 2015, 15:17:24
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sat, 15 August 2015, 15:49:54
Video below
Maybe that works now
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 15 August 2015, 16:01:39
Yes, the RGB switch tops are a bit "colder" toned.
(http://i.imgur.com/kvDRX9x.jpg)
#ruleofquarters
(http://i.imgur.com/mcp80id.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/7Zs9gsb.jpg)
(sorry for dust :-[)
(http://i.imgur.com/3BCAl4p.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/gjFkFIr.jpg)
Post by: Ngt on Sat, 15 August 2015, 16:04:43
Post by: katushkin on Sat, 15 August 2015, 16:09:08
(http://i.imgur.com/2jMKAxY.gif)
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 15 August 2015, 16:18:11
I must admit I was a bit lazy to catch up all the 10 pages of the topic. How will it occur? Will there be a GB or is there a form in one of these pages?
A GB/Pre-order will happen around the end of August.
Post by: wlhlm on Sat, 15 August 2015, 16:21:23
RGB Switch Tops (One on the left) will be used for Zealios. I've tested them with GMK & other thick keycaps, and they do not catch at all!Is there any change except for the wider slit for LEDs? I can't see any.
Yes, the RGB switch tops are a bit "colder" toned.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/kvDRX9x.jpg)
What I'm trying to say is, that the Zealios seem to catch or not catch keycaps like any other Gateron MX clone (which personally never had trouble with in my usage).
Post by: Ngt on Sat, 15 August 2015, 16:21:46
I must admit I was a bit lazy to catch up all the 10 pages of the topic. How will it occur? Will there be a GB or is there a form in one of these pages?
A GB/Pre-order will happen around the end of August.
Thanks for the catch-up. ;)
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 15 August 2015, 16:33:57
RGB Switch Tops (One on the left) will be used for Zealios. I've tested them with GMK & other thick keycaps, and they do not catch at all!Is there any change except for the wider slit for LEDs? I can't see any.
Yes, the RGB switch tops are a bit "colder" toned.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/kvDRX9x.jpg)
What I'm trying to say is, that the Zealios seem to catch or not catch keycaps like any other Gateron MX clone (which personally never had trouble with in my usage).
From my testing, stock gateron (milky housing) switch tops as well as clear tops (one on the right) can sometimes catch on bottom row keys such as Ctrl, Alt, etc. when pressed on in the corner/off center. With the RGB tops, this does not happen at all!
There is a bit of modification on the guiders for the slider (top and bottom of the switch top), but I wouldn't be able to pinpoint tell you which one fixed the catching.
Post by: KatzenKinder on Sat, 15 August 2015, 16:38:48
RGB Switch Tops (One on the left) will be used for Zealios. I've tested them with GMK & other thick keycaps, and they do not catch at all!Is there any change except for the wider slit for LEDs? I can't see any.
Yes, the RGB switch tops are a bit "colder" toned.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/kvDRX9x.jpg)
What I'm trying to say is, that the Zealios seem to catch or not catch keycaps like any other Gateron MX clone (which personally never had trouble with in my usage).
From my testing, stock gateron (milky housing) switch tops as well as clear tops (one on the right) can sometimes catch on bottom row keys such as Ctrl, Alt, etc. when pressed on in the corner/off center. With the RGB tops, this does not happen at all!
There is a bit of modification on the guiders for the slider (top and bottom of the switch top), but I wouldn't be able to pinpoint tell you which one fixed the catching.
Sweeeet! Super pumped for these
Post by: slickmamba on Sat, 15 August 2015, 17:09:48
How do these switches compare to topre electrostatic domes? 55g
I have some lubed 55g type-s(silenced) domes and I was wondering the same thing!
Post by: meiosis on Sat, 15 August 2015, 17:10:55
How do these switches compare to topre electrostatic domes? 55g
I have some lubed 55g type-s(silenced) domes and I was wondering the same thing!
Wow that's the end game! Surely these gaterons can't even compare to the feel of cup rubber
Post by: E3E on Sat, 15 August 2015, 17:48:52
Will there be a round 2 group buy or is our only hope to get a lower price on these through this launch GB? Thanks for all your work put into this community, Zeal!
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 15 August 2015, 17:56:13
As the first (I think?) community-driven and community member-created switch, this is all so amazing. It's going to give people who always wanted ergos a chance to try them without having to go through the tedious switch tuning. I'm not sure that it'd be practical for me to buy these the first go around since I have enough vintage ergos left over for my next build (but I might for their RGB compatibility!).
Will there be a round 2 group buy or is our only hope to get a lower price on these through this launch GB? Thanks for all your work put into this community, Zeal!
It'll depend on demand. I do plan on keeping these switches in constant stock, but if the demand is high, I don't see a problem with running multiple re-runs of the GB. :)
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Sat, 15 August 2015, 18:08:25
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 15 August 2015, 21:21:42
Lots of interesting things can be done...
(http://i.imgur.com/7xnm9NB.jpg)
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Sat, 15 August 2015, 22:47:03
Woops, forgot to show this pcb shot.Is that PCB fully programmable? Like, including media keys? If it is, can I buy it at the time that the GB happens? Because I would love to...
Lots of interesting things can be done...Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7xnm9NB.jpg)
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 15 August 2015, 22:51:11
Woops, forgot to show this pcb shot.Is that PCB fully programmable? Like, including media keys? If it is, can I buy it at the time that the GB happens? Because I would love to...
Lots of interesting things can be done...Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7xnm9NB.jpg)
The PCB isn't part of the GB. I just picked out one of my unassembled keyboards from my pile and did a photoshoot. :)
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Sat, 15 August 2015, 23:00:06
Oh well, guess I'll have to find a board for myself then :P (maybe I'll go and design one!!! though the first few(hundred) would suck, since I know nothing about it at this point...Woops, forgot to show this pcb shot.Is that PCB fully programmable? Like, including media keys? If it is, can I buy it at the time that the GB happens? Because I would love to...
Lots of interesting things can be done...Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7xnm9NB.jpg)
The PCB isn't part of the GB. I just picked out one of my unassembled keyboards from my pile and did a photoshoot. :)
Post by: SadisticReap on Sun, 16 August 2015, 00:37:31
Post by: Ngt on Sun, 16 August 2015, 03:14:57
Post by: Karura on Sun, 16 August 2015, 03:16:14
(http://i.imgur.com/0zEL0MM.jpg)
Post by: maximusprimate on Sun, 16 August 2015, 09:17:43
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 16 August 2015, 09:32:11
As I asked whether they would be lubed or not in the mail thread I come back here. Do you think it would be possible to include lube in this GB as well like Krytox (don't remember the exact reference)?I still have a few GH lube kits left over. I'll definitely be asking mkawa about supplying some more Krytox for these switches.
Aww yeeeeBon voyage. :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0zEL0MM.jpg)
Not sure if this has been asked yet, but is there any chance of selling just the sliders (sans spring and housing) for a smaller price? If so, how do you think they would fit in a Cherry/Gateron housing? I'll probably end up getting a bunch of these switches either way, but if I could save a buck I would.
The sliders will fit in Cherry/Gateron housings no problem, but Gateron wouldn't want to be selling the sliders individually. They prefer manufacturing products as a "package".
Post by: dante on Sun, 16 August 2015, 09:37:09
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 16 August 2015, 09:38:22
Help me out here - Gateron's are already smooth enough. Why add lube?
So you can experience this
(http://images.ridemonkey.com/index.php?size=full&src=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic1.gamespot.com%2Fuploads%2Foriginal%2F255%2F2550934%2F2810668-4705265834-mind-.gif)
Like I said, if the user thinks it's smooth enough, then by all means this will replace all the tedious work required to make ergo clears. But for the enthusiasts that want the best of the best, they'll open the switches up and lube em. :)
Post by: dante on Sun, 16 August 2015, 10:00:13
Like I said, if the user thinks it's smooth enough, then by all means this will replace all the tedious work required to make ergo clears. But for the enthusiasts that want the best of the best, they'll open the switches up and lube em. :)
Yes but some typing will help wear down the stems as well. If these get put in an "end game" keyboard that is used 8-10 hours a day every day the results should be fairly close after a year or so.
I just think it is confusing to folks after hearing how smooth Gaterons are compared to their Cherry counterparts and yet people are still adding lube. Sounds similar to Chinese hot peppers - can't get enough I suppose. :)
Post by: jerue on Sun, 16 August 2015, 12:05:53
Post by: pichu23 on Sun, 16 August 2015, 13:10:42
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EJWBoqS.jpg)
amazing! :)
Post by: strict on Sun, 16 August 2015, 14:30:24
Post by: sethk_ on Sun, 16 August 2015, 19:02:18
Post by: awhitedev on Sun, 16 August 2015, 19:35:32
Post by: ika on Sun, 16 August 2015, 19:39:05
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sun, 16 August 2015, 19:59:56
Post by: njbair on Sun, 16 August 2015, 20:14:47
I think Zeal would like to stop answering the same questions multiple times, please refer to the past couple of pages or search the thread first before posting a question :thumb: :p
You sound like someone who's run a GB before.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Mon, 17 August 2015, 02:10:18
I think Zeal would like to stop answering the same questions multiple times, please refer to the past couple of pages or search the thread first before posting a question :thumb: :p
You sound like someone who's run a GB before.
It might be nice if the first post included a FAQ? I know that when I asked my first questions, I was in a bit of a rush, so I didn't want to read through the whole thread... (I have now though, so I'm all caught up!)
Post by: Ngt on Mon, 17 August 2015, 02:11:25
Will lube be available for purchase with this buy?
As I asked whether they would be lubed or not in the mail thread I come back here. Do you think it would be possible to include lube in this GB as well like Krytox (don't remember the exact reference)?I still have a few GH lube kits left over. I'll definitely be asking mkawa about supplying some more Krytox for these switches.
Post by: Sed8op8 on Mon, 17 August 2015, 06:17:40
I will be excited to see how these compare to worn clears. They are currently my favorite switchTHIS^^^^ Very excited for these and will be buying some regardless of the outcome however due to gatetrons already smooth feel I'm very interested to see how these compare to a nicely lubed cherry ergo with identical weighted springs.
I'm not sure if comparing a new switch to worn clears would be exactly fair(unless it was a worn zealios switch) but I'm interested all the same :eek:
Zeal or any other reviewers out there care to lube some zealios up and compare them to there cherry ergo brethren !
Thanks everyone involved !!!!!
Post by: Evo_Spec on Mon, 17 August 2015, 07:08:02
I think Zeal would like to stop answering the same questions multiple times, please refer to the past couple of pages or search the thread first before posting a question :thumb: :p
But why male models?
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 17 August 2015, 14:08:33
So what's the deal with the RGB LED compatibility? Four holes in the switch bottom? Do 3mm (or whatever) in-switch RGB LEDs exist?What else is required for full control of the "RGB" part, an LED driver and support baked into the PCB? Was the 4-pin LED pictured by Zeal, the ones he said he would be stocking after PCB support is added, a 1.8mm LED?
A special PCB will be designed to support RGB LEDs. No, the 4-pin LED I showed in the previous post is not an 1.8mm LED.
1.8mm leds look like this (http://www.newmodellersshop.co.uk/images/miniture-1.8-white-led.jpg)
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 17 August 2015, 14:19:25
When I first took this comparison shot, it appeared that Gateron Purples had less of an "indent" during resting position of the switch.
(http://puu.sh/jCT0V/66e1c339e5.jpg)
But I was telling myself it's the darker colour & lubricant giving off that illusion.
So.....Today I cut off a leg... A Cherry Clear leg. :eek: (Excuse the dust, it took around 30minutes to have the legs aligned. :( Lots of touching involved)
(http://i.imgur.com/32etWQb.jpg)
Crop:
(http://puu.sh/jESbt/822c34ca6a.jpg)
Purposely moved the clear leg a bit back to compare the bump & slopes. Mind you, it's very hard to make fine adjustments by hand when you're dealing with fractions of a millimeter!
(http://i.imgur.com/peu2Szz.jpg)
Crop (Oh my, look at those mini bumps on the clear stem :)))
(http://puu.sh/jESbW/fff644c82a.jpg)
In Conclusion, the slopes and bumps are the same. The plastic is just that much smoother that I will most likely be upping the weight to replicate "vintage" ergo clears.
Just for fun. Sorry, Cherry Fans.
(http://i.imgur.com/zmePuFf.jpg)
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Mon, 17 August 2015, 15:35:15
Ok Class, time for some keyboard science. :))I'm really liking the looks of those so far. Let us order them already!!! :P
Post by: ika on Mon, 17 August 2015, 17:07:55
Post by: dante on Mon, 17 August 2015, 19:32:47
Post by: awhitedev on Mon, 17 August 2015, 19:51:07
Post by: Ngt on Tue, 18 August 2015, 03:26:24
Post by: wlhlm on Tue, 18 August 2015, 04:00:28
Perhaps we could order the stem, housing and springs separately for those willing to have a different weight. Would it be doable Zeal?
Not sure if this has been asked yet, but is there any chance of selling just the sliders (sans spring and housing) for a smaller price? If so, how do you think they would fit in a Cherry/Gateron housing? I'll probably end up getting a bunch of these switches either way, but if I could save a buck I would.
The sliders will fit in Cherry/Gateron housings no problem, but Gateron wouldn't want to be selling the sliders individually. They prefer manufacturing products as a "package".
Post by: Ngt on Tue, 18 August 2015, 04:03:21
Thanks but then will gateron be shipping the switches with the gold plated springs or will Zeal perform the swap by himself? In the last case perhaps he can offer not to swap them and sell springs on the side so people could pickup the weight they'd want.Perhaps we could order the stem, housing and springs separately for those willing to have a different weight. Would it be doable Zeal?Not sure if this has been asked yet, but is there any chance of selling just the sliders (sans spring and housing) for a smaller price? If so, how do you think they would fit in a Cherry/Gateron housing? I'll probably end up getting a bunch of these switches either way, but if I could save a buck I would.
The sliders will fit in Cherry/Gateron housings no problem, but Gateron wouldn't want to be selling the sliders individually. They prefer manufacturing products as a "package".
Post by: azhdar on Tue, 18 August 2015, 04:05:52
Thanks but then will gateron be shipping the switches with the gold plated springs or will Zeal perform the swap by himself? In the last case perhaps he can offer not to swap them and sell springs on the side so people could pickup the weight they'd want.Perhaps we could order the stem, housing and springs separately for those willing to have a different weight. Would it be doable Zeal?Not sure if this has been asked yet, but is there any chance of selling just the sliders (sans spring and housing) for a smaller price? If so, how do you think they would fit in a Cherry/Gateron housing? I'll probably end up getting a bunch of these switches either way, but if I could save a buck I would.
The sliders will fit in Cherry/Gateron housings no problem, but Gateron wouldn't want to be selling the sliders individually. They prefer manufacturing products as a "package".
lol no Zeal ain't gonna swap each spring himself. Gateron has the springs.
Post by: Ngt on Tue, 18 August 2015, 04:07:18
Fair enough. I wonder if he could offer different spring weight for the buy but I guess it would be harder to meet MOQ then if there is one.Thanks but then will gateron be shipping the switches with the gold plated springs or will Zeal perform the swap by himself? In the last case perhaps he can offer not to swap them and sell springs on the side so people could pickup the weight they'd want.Perhaps we could order the stem, housing and springs separately for those willing to have a different weight. Would it be doable Zeal?Not sure if this has been asked yet, but is there any chance of selling just the sliders (sans spring and housing) for a smaller price? If so, how do you think they would fit in a Cherry/Gateron housing? I'll probably end up getting a bunch of these switches either way, but if I could save a buck I would.
The sliders will fit in Cherry/Gateron housings no problem, but Gateron wouldn't want to be selling the sliders individually. They prefer manufacturing products as a "package".
lol no Zeal ain't gonna swap each spring himself. Gateron has the springs.
Post by: strict on Tue, 18 August 2015, 08:33:13
Post by: Sed8op8 on Tue, 18 August 2015, 09:29:56
Without having felt them, I would lean toward sticking with 62g. When I was playing around with ergoclears I thought that spring weight gave the best feel. I'll pretty much trust whatever zeal decides though :thumb:62g springs are the stereo typical ones for ergos and don't get me wrong I love that weighting however 65g and 67g are my faves. It's not much of a difference but I've found those to feel a little smoother with the increased weight. As strict said though I'll be happy with zeals choice! So much hype :thumb:
Post by: BigTinz on Tue, 18 August 2015, 15:36:28
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 18 August 2015, 17:40:55
(http://i.imgur.com/xI7VCkS.jpg)
First impressions
(http://i.imgur.com/pGQaDSj.jpg)
First impressions
(http://i.imgur.com/pGQaDSj.jpg)
A1 = 62g Linear Zealio
B1 = 62g stock Zealio
B2 = 65g stock Zealio
B3 = 67g stock Zealio
C1 = 62g lubed Zealio
C2 = 65g lubed Zealio
C3 = 67g lubed Zealio
A1 = Nope. Too light. Feels nice and smooth like a linear Gateron though
B1 = First time I tried a 62g Clear that wasn't sticky and didn't have any issues.
B2 = See above
B3 = Reminds me of my worn MX Clears at work. Well...at least the weight.
C1 = The bump feels more connected. Like it's one motion instead of two. Starting to convince me that previous 62g modded clears I've tried were a bust compared to this.
C2 = Might be my new favorite modded MX-mount "Clear" switch
C3 = Ugh I can't pick between this or C2
First thought I had was that all the modded MX Clears I tried were supposed to feel like this. Other than stock MX Clear and Panda Clears. 62g, 65g, and 67g never felt so good.
I'll do a better review later. I've got like 10 minutes of play time with these switches so far. I'm starting to feel more and more that Cherry MX is meh. Gateron and Greetech are becoming more interesting to me the more I play with them.
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 18 August 2015, 17:51:14
First impressionsShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/pGQaDSj.jpg)
C1 = The bump feels more connected. Like it's one motion instead of two. Starting to convince me that previous 62g modded clears I've tried were a bust compared to this.
C2 = Might be my new favorite modded MX-mount "Clear" switch
C3 = Ugh I can't pick between this or C2
C1 - Agreed, feels like one smooth motion. No bumpy roads or drops. Perhaps a new replacement for vintage browns? (haven't tested v. browns myself)
C2/C3 - Exactly my thoughts on 65g vs 67g lubed Zealios. Very tough decision... May be favouring 65g a tiny bit more though.
Post by: awhitedev on Tue, 18 August 2015, 18:40:51
Other than stock MX Clear and Panda Clears. 62g, 65g, and 67g never felt so good.
I really like my lubed Panda Clears but I always thought they were a tad too heavy. How do these stack up?
Post by: Karura on Tue, 18 August 2015, 19:23:51
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xI7VCkS.jpg)
First impressionsShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/pGQaDSj.jpg)
A1 = 62g Linear Zealio
B1 = 62g stock Zealio
B2 = 65g stock Zealio
B3 = 67g stock Zealio
C1 = 62g lubed Zealio
C2 = 65g lubed Zealio
C3 = 67g lubed Zealio
A1 = Nope. Too light. Feels nice and smooth like a linear Gateron though
B1 = First time I tried a 62g Clear that wasn't sticky and didn't have any issues.
B2 = See above
B3 = Reminds me of my worn MX Clears at work. Well...at least the weight.
C1 = The bump feels more connected. Like it's one motion instead of two. Starting to convince me that previous 62g modded clears I've tried were a bust compared to this.
C2 = Might be my new favorite modded MX-mount "Clear" switch
C3 = Ugh I can't pick between this or C2
First thought I had was that all the modded MX Clears I tried were supposed to feel like this. Other than stock MX Clear and Panda Clears. 62g, 65g, and 67g never felt so good.
I'll do a better review later. I've got like 10 minutes of play time with these switches so far. I'm starting to feel more and more that Cherry MX is meh. Gateron and Greetech are becoming more interesting to me the more I play with them.
Nice writeup. I definitely like lubed 65g the best from my tests, but would prefer to have 67g in my personal keyboard due to preferring 67g springs. 67g feels more like proper worn-in clears with a smoother, less pronounced bump.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 18 August 2015, 19:39:03
Other than stock MX Clear and Panda Clears. 62g, 65g, and 67g never felt so good.
I really like my lubed Panda Clears but I always thought they were a tad too heavy. How do these stack up?
I still really like Panda Clears but I think the 67g would fit you better. Give me a little while to play with these switches. I'll make a Panda Clear outta these and report back.
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 18 August 2015, 22:15:10
I'll do a better review later. I've got like 10 minutes of play time with these switches so far. I'm starting to feel more and more that Cherry MX is meh. Gateron and Greetech are becoming more interesting to me the more I play with them.
Probably Cherry sticking with the tried and tested 6 or 7 standard switch types, and the newcomers experimenting with different options.
Large established keyboard manufacturers with established relationships with Cherry will most likely stick with Cherry, but smaller players might very well seek the Gaterons and Greetech switches to provide something new to their clients.
Post by: pichu23 on Wed, 19 August 2015, 05:14:03
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xI7VCkS.jpg)
First impressionsShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/pGQaDSj.jpg)
A1 = 62g Linear Zealio
B1 = 62g stock Zealio
B2 = 65g stock Zealio
B3 = 67g stock Zealio
C1 = 62g lubed Zealio
C2 = 65g lubed Zealio
C3 = 67g lubed Zealio
A1 = Nope. Too light. Feels nice and smooth like a linear Gateron though
B1 = First time I tried a 62g Clear that wasn't sticky and didn't have any issues.
B2 = See above
B3 = Reminds me of my worn MX Clears at work. Well...at least the weight.
C1 = The bump feels more connected. Like it's one motion instead of two. Starting to convince me that previous 62g modded clears I've tried were a bust compared to this.
C2 = Might be my new favorite modded MX-mount "Clear" switch
C3 = Ugh I can't pick between this or C2
First thought I had was that all the modded MX Clears I tried were supposed to feel like this. Other than stock MX Clear and Panda Clears. 62g, 65g, and 67g never felt so good.
I'll do a better review later. I've got like 10 minutes of play time with these switches so far. I'm starting to feel more and more that Cherry MX is meh. Gateron and Greetech are becoming more interesting to me the more I play with them.
65/67g seems like a sweet spot for this switch. :O
Gah, the wait :-X
Post by: Sed8op8 on Wed, 19 August 2015, 07:08:25
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xI7VCkS.jpg)
First impressionsShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/pGQaDSj.jpg)
A1 = 62g Linear Zealio
B1 = 62g stock Zealio
B2 = 65g stock Zealio
B3 = 67g stock Zealio
C1 = 62g lubed Zealio
C2 = 65g lubed Zealio
C3 = 67g lubed Zealio
A1 = Nope. Too light. Feels nice and smooth like a linear Gateron though
B1 = First time I tried a 62g Clear that wasn't sticky and didn't have any issues.
B2 = See above
B3 = Reminds me of my worn MX Clears at work. Well...at least the weight.
C1 = The bump feels more connected. Like it's one motion instead of two. Starting to convince me that previous 62g modded clears I've tried were a bust compared to this.
C2 = Might be my new favorite modded MX-mount "Clear" switch
C3 = Ugh I can't pick between this or C2
First thought I had was that all the modded MX Clears I tried were supposed to feel like this. Other than stock MX Clear and Panda Clears. 62g, 65g, and 67g never felt so good.
I'll do a better review later. I've got like 10 minutes of play time with these switches so far. I'm starting to feel more and more that Cherry MX is meh. Gateron and Greetech are becoming more interesting to me the more I play with them.
65/67g seems like a sweet spot for this switch. :O
Gah, the wait :-X
thank you captn this is really what I was hoping for. Looks like I'll be ordering 110-120(not sure the package size for these) of the 65g and 67g ! I need some for an 1800 I have incoming and the miraShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/xI7VCkS.jpg)
First impressionsShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/pGQaDSj.jpg)
A1 = 62g Linear Zealio
B1 = 62g stock Zealio
B2 = 65g stock Zealio
B3 = 67g stock Zealio
C1 = 62g lubed Zealio
C2 = 65g lubed Zealio
C3 = 67g lubed Zealio
A1 = Nope. Too light. Feels nice and smooth like a linear Gateron though
B1 = First time I tried a 62g Clear that wasn't sticky and didn't have any issues.
B2 = See above
B3 = Reminds me of my worn MX Clears at work. Well...at least the weight.
C1 = The bump feels more connected. Like it's one motion instead of two. Starting to convince me that previous 62g modded clears I've tried were a bust compared to this.
C2 = Might be my new favorite modded MX-mount "Clear" switch
C3 = Ugh I can't pick between this or C2
First thought I had was that all the modded MX Clears I tried were supposed to feel like this. Other than stock MX Clear and Panda Clears. 62g, 65g, and 67g never felt so good.
I'll do a better review later. I've got like 10 minutes of play time with these switches so far. I'm starting to feel more and more that Cherry MX is meh. Gateron and Greetech are becoming more interesting to me the more I play with them.
Post by: theanyday on Wed, 19 August 2015, 08:40:35
First impressionsShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/pGQaDSj.jpg)
C1 = The bump feels more connected. Like it's one motion instead of two. Starting to convince me that previous 62g modded clears I've tried were a bust compared to this.
C2 = Might be my new favorite modded MX-mount "Clear" switch
C3 = Ugh I can't pick between this or C2
C1 - Agreed, feels like one smooth motion. No bumpy roads or drops. Perhaps a new replacement for vintage browns? (haven't tested v. browns myself)
C2/C3 - Exactly my thoughts on 65g vs 67g lubed Zealios. Very tough decision... May be favouring 65g a tiny bit more though.
Seems like we might need a custom 66g spring in these bad boys. :-X
Post by: livingspeedbump on Wed, 19 August 2015, 14:31:54
There are my initial thoughts after testing the switches out.
I was nothing but impressed with the switches. At the end of the day my favorite Cherry MX switch was greatly improved. The stems are indeed not as tight as Cherry Clears, so no more worrying about ripping the stems out when removing keycaps. They were all extremely smooth, without any grittiness at all. Also, purple!, 'nuff said.
As far as individual switches go (62g, 65g, 67g) I think it all just comes down to personal preference. There isn't a clear "best" switch of the lot. My personal favorite was by far the 67g switch though. It was the most refined feeling MX switch I've ever used. I wouldn't compare it to Topre directly, but as a huge Topre fan the 67g switch really stuck out for me. I will definitely be throwing those into my Mira.
The main thing really is that there was nothing about the switches that would make me hesitate on jumping in on the group buy for a few hundred of each right now. I had no issues with the switches or the Clear RGB tops at all. ZealPC, well done sir, well done :thumb:
Post by: livingspeedbump on Wed, 19 August 2015, 14:33:38
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I'm starting to feel more and more that Cherry MX is meh.
I'm right there with you.
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 19 August 2015, 15:21:52
My personal favorite was by far the 67g switch though. It was the most refined feeling MX switch I've ever used. I wouldn't compare it to Topre directly, but as a huge Topre fan the 67g switch really stuck out for me.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought 67g felt like it had a higher positioned bump and was reminded of Topre :))
Re: RGB Tops, they will come stock on Zealios. The test samples just didn't have them installed by default :-[ It also prevents catching on thicker caps such as GMK, etc.
Thanks again for sharing first impressions!
Post by: potatowire on Wed, 19 August 2015, 15:30:30
My personal favorite was by far the 67g switch though. It was the most refined feeling MX switch I've ever used. I wouldn't compare it to Topre directly, but as a huge Topre fan the 67g switch really stuck out for me.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought 67g felt like it had a higher positioned bump and was reminded of Topre :))
Re: RGB Tops, they will come stock on Zealios. The test samples just didn't have them installed by default :-[ It also prevents catching on thicker caps such as GMK, etc.
Thanks again for sharing first impressions!
These initial impressions have convinced me. I'm in for at least 330 (67g non-lubed, if I had to choose now).
I can't wait.
Post by: njbair on Thu, 20 August 2015, 10:41:02
Post by: mrflow3r on Thu, 20 August 2015, 11:11:40
Thanks for making this happen Zeal!
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 20 August 2015, 11:19:55
Massdrop has a buy going on (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/gateron-switches?mode=guest_open) for Gateron switches right now. Three days left and it still hasn't hit the first tier. I wonder if everyone's holding out for Zealios?
Maybe. But they've also ran it every 2 or so weeks, and have probably worn the market out.
A quick question: can I design my PCBs the same as before (standard cherry-mx pcb mount footprint) to use the Project Zealio? Or is there something I should make a note of? Gracias!
Thanks for making this happen Zeal!
Yes, switch pins and dimensions will be exactly the same. The only thing that'll be different is RGB LED support. You don't have to support it, but the option is there. If you choose to just run regular LED traces, the switch can still support standard 3mm/2x3x4mm/1.8mm LEDs.
Post by: Invaderevan on Thu, 20 August 2015, 11:24:34
Massdrop has a buy going on (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/gateron-switches?mode=guest_open) for Gateron switches right now. Three days left and it still hasn't hit the first tier. I wonder if everyone's holding out for Zealios?
That, and Gaterons are the same price on amazon but with free 2 day shipping with prime.
Post by: mrflow3r on Thu, 20 August 2015, 11:39:25
Awesome. This is awesome!Massdrop has a buy going on (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/gateron-switches?mode=guest_open) for Gateron switches right now. Three days left and it still hasn't hit the first tier. I wonder if everyone's holding out for Zealios?
Maybe. But they've also ran it every 2 or so weeks, and have probably worn the market out.A quick question: can I design my PCBs the same as before (standard cherry-mx pcb mount footprint) to use the Project Zealio? Or is there something I should make a note of? Gracias!
Thanks for making this happen Zeal!
Yes, switch pins and dimensions will be exactly the same. The only thing that'll be different is RGB LED support. You don't have to support it, but the option is there. If you choose to just run regular LED traces, the switch can still support standard 3mm/2x3x4mm/1.8mm LEDs.
Post by: njbair on Thu, 20 August 2015, 12:39:46
Massdrop has a buy going on (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/gateron-switches?mode=guest_open) for Gateron switches right now. Three days left and it still hasn't hit the first tier. I wonder if everyone's holding out for Zealios?
That, and Gaterons are the same price on amazon but with free 2 day shipping with prime.
Yeah but it gets down to $24.99 at 100 units. That's a big difference if you can afford to wait.
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 20 August 2015, 13:10:59
Loving those clear housings, though. I can see people buying these just because of the transparent housings! Having the choice of a ~65g linear stem and ~67g tactile stem will definitely be a boon for those of us who regularly had to perform switch mods to get those things before.
Post by: Ngt on Thu, 20 August 2015, 14:23:57
I received my Zealios yesterday, and they seem to be just what we've been asking for. I will post my review after I've had a chance to build up my JD45 prototype with them. Unfortunately for you guys, that will be after I return from my vacation next week. Hope you guys don't mind waiting a bit, but I'll be off-forum for several days!
Loving those clear housings, though. I can see people buying these just because of the transparent housings! Having the choice of a ~65g linear stem and ~67g tactile stem will definitely be a boon for those of us who regularly had to perform switch mods to get those things before.
When you take part into GB you learn that one week wait means nothing! Go and enjoy your vacations, I'll be looking forward to your review. ;)
Post by: wlhlm on Thu, 20 August 2015, 17:38:21
Don't worry. I'm still going to dump my money on this. There's no way I'm not gonna try these!
Post by: mtl on Thu, 20 August 2015, 18:44:49
Yes, switch pins and dimensions will be exactly the same. The only thing that'll be different is RGB LED support.
Zeal, did they fix the PCB mount legs? I thought with Gaterons one had to file the legs a little to get them to fit. Thanks.
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 20 August 2015, 18:53:11
Yes, switch pins and dimensions will be exactly the same. The only thing that'll be different is RGB LED support.
Zeal, did they fix the PCB mount legs? I thought with Gaterons one had to file the legs a little to get them to fit. Thanks.
It would depend on the aftermarket PCB you purchase. Some board makers like to purposely make the PCB mount support pin holes smaller to give the switches a tighter fit. I tested them on Duck PCBs and they were a perfectly snug fit. I did have Gateron make the PCB mount fins ever so slightly smaller.
Post by: Air tree on Thu, 20 August 2015, 19:38:08
Post by: nmur on Thu, 20 August 2015, 19:45:19
God, I'm sold. I was going to go for 62g..I've been tempted to go with 67g now...Can the 2 grams between the 65 and the 67 really make all that difference? :eek:
Yeah it's pretty surprising that there's a noticeable difference between them, but I would imagine it's because those measurements are the forces required to bottom-out instead of actuation.
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 20 August 2015, 19:55:33
God, I'm sold. I was going to go for 62g..I've been tempted to go with 67g now...Can the 2 grams between the 65 and the 67 really make all that difference? :eek:
Only solution: buy all the weights. :P
Post by: Sed8op8 on Thu, 20 August 2015, 20:04:06
God, I'm sold. I was going to go for 62g..I've been tempted to go with 67g now...Can the 2 grams between the 65 and the 67 really make all that difference? :eek:I didn't think so airtree but I freaking love my 67g on my GON the difference between e 62g on my duck are very noticeable. I also have 65g on my switch tester and it slightly noticeable if your paying attention to it.
Living speed bump was stating how these zealios are already very smooth without lube and that he is probably going to go the unlubed route in his review. I'm super stoked to try these out. I prefer to use only the tiniest amount of lube on cherry ergos as even just a Smidgee too much and you lose the bump. I can't wait to compare these
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Thu, 20 August 2015, 20:11:31
God, I'm sold. I was going to go for 62g..I've been tempted to go with 67g now...Can the 2 grams between the 65 and the 67 really make all that difference? :eek:
Only solution: buy all the weights. :P
Definitely buying 65 and 67g!
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 20 August 2015, 20:29:53
Um, this was me playing with my Zealios on my newly built JD forty five. I have not worked out the function layer for the numbers or punctuation yet haha.
Post by: trenzafeeds on Thu, 20 August 2015, 20:45:31
Living speed bump was stating how these zealios are already very smooth without lube and that he is probably going to go the unlubed route in his review.Yeah, I'm really excited for a switch that sounds like it's really nice without lube. I personally can't stand unlubed mx clears, but I always feel like when I do lube them they lose a lot of the tactility that I like to have while typing. Unlubed 67g zealios seem like a great compromise!
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 20 August 2015, 20:54:22
Living speed bump was stating how these zealios are already very smooth without lube and that he is probably going to go the unlubed route in his review.
I'm thinking the same thing. Yes the lube was nice but honestly, all the Gaterons I've tried and smooth enough to not have to worry about lubing. It's nice just to slap a switch into a build and then enjoy.
Post by: mattbox on Thu, 20 August 2015, 21:25:56
Post by: awhitedev on Fri, 21 August 2015, 05:53:04
Other than stock MX Clear and Panda Clears. 62g, 65g, and 67g never felt so good.
I really like my lubed Panda Clears but I always thought they were a tad too heavy. How do these stack up?
I still really like Panda Clears but I think the 67g would fit you better. Give me a little while to play with these switches. I'll make a Panda Clear outta these and report back.
Sounds good! Panda clears technically have 80g springs right? Is it just me or do MX clears actually feel smoother when their stem is placed in a Gateron housing. But these new zealios sound even smoother than that! :eek:
Post by: Oobly on Fri, 21 August 2015, 08:19:22
Holy favourite switches, Batman! I have to have these, like, in the thousands....
Can't quite decide which spring weight to get, though. I like light switches, and 62g ErgoClears are my favourites, but what I'm really after is the maximum "pop" and best feel with heavy keycaps. From the reviews so far that seems to be the 67g unlubed version. I think that's got to be the one for me....
I WANT THESE.
Post by: awhitedev on Fri, 21 August 2015, 08:52:24
How the heck did I miss seeing this thread until now!?!?!
Holy favourite switches, Batman! I have to have these, like, in the thousands....
Can't quite decide which spring weight to get, though. I like light switches, and 62g ErgoClears are my favourites, but what I'm really after is the maximum "pop" and best feel with heavy keycaps. From the reviews so far that seems to be the 67g unlubed version. I think that's got to be the one for me....
I WANT THESE.
I agree. It sounds like 67g is what I'd want.
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 21 August 2015, 08:59:57
I LOVE THESE SWITCHES!
I have always been a fan of stock clears, especially when lubed. I was never a big fan of the "ergo" mod using either stock light Cherry springs, or the Korean 62g spring, in either of the gold or standard varieties.
These Zealios, in the 62g version, feel exactly like 62g lubed ergo clears to me. I have these on the outside switches, where my pinkies would hit, so they feel okay there. I would not really prefer a full board with 62g switches, because, as I stated earlier, I've never been a huge fan of ergo clears.
The 67g version I have on the inside keys, and they feel most like lubed stock Cherry MX clears to me. Which I have always liked. But I have always felt lubed stock clears were just ever so slightly too heavy, and that's the feeling I get from these as well.
The 65g version is my "Goldilocks" switch. These feel just right. If I were to pick one weight out of the three, this would be it. As CPTBadAss said in his review, they feel very smooth and consistent all the way through from top to actuation to bottom out. I have these on the middle regions of the board,
The lubed versions of the Zealios that I received are ever so slightly smoother, but not enough to warrant the extra effort required, in my opinion. There are some who will always want lubed switches, just to have the very best experience they can get. But I am the type who would love to have a switch that I can install as-stock, and have an experience 80% or more of what the lubed version will get you. And about the same as what a lubed Cherry MX switch gets you.
So, after actual typing experience with these installed in a keyboard, I can tell you that my strong preference is toward the 65g spring version. When these are offered for sale, I will be buying large quantities of them.
Post by: azhdar on Fri, 21 August 2015, 09:02:12
So, after using these for a bit, PCB-mounted in my JD45, with variable weighting and Hack'd by Geeks SA keycaps, these are my thoughts:
I LOVE THESE SWITCHES!
I have always been a fan of stock clears, especially when lubed. I was never a big fan of the "ergo" mod using either stock light Cherry springs, or the Korean 62g spring, in either of the gold or standard varieties.
These Zealios, in the 62g version, feel exactly like 62g lubed ergo clears to me. I have these on the outside switches, where my pinkies would hit, so they feel okay there. I would not really prefer a full board with 62g switches, because, as I stated earlier, I've never been a huge fan of ergo clears.
The 67g version I have on the inside keys, and they feel most like lubed stock Cherry MX clears to me. Which I have always liked. But I have always felt lubed stock clears were just ever so slightly too heavy, and that's the feeling I get from these as well.
The 65g version is my "Goldilocks" switch. These feel just right. If I were to pick one weight out of the three, this would be it. As CPTBadAss said in his review, they feel very smooth and consistent all the way through from top to actuation to bottom out. I have these on the middle regions of the board,
The lubed versions of the Zealios that I received are ever so slightly smoother, but not enough to warrant the extra effort required, in my opinion. There are some who will always want lubed switches, just to have the very best experience they can get. But I am the type who would love to have a switch that I can install as-stock, and have an experience 80% or more of what the lubed version will get you. And about the same as what a lubed Cherry MX switch gets you.
So, after actual typing experience with these installed in a keyboard, I can tell you that my strong preference is toward the 65g spring version. When these are offered for sale, I will be buying large quantities of them.
You sold me Gateron blacks I'm sold on 65 Zealio too !
Is there pics of this JD45 somewhere ?
Post by: potatowire on Fri, 21 August 2015, 09:08:31
So, after using these for a bit, PCB-mounted in my JD45, with variable weighting and Hack'd by Geeks SA keycaps, these are my thoughts:
I LOVE THESE SWITCHES!
I have always been a fan of stock clears, especially when lubed. I was never a big fan of the "ergo" mod using either stock light Cherry springs, or the Korean 62g spring, in either of the gold or standard varieties.
These Zealios, in the 62g version, feel exactly like 62g lubed ergo clears to me. I have these on the outside switches, where my pinkies would hit, so they feel okay there. I would not really prefer a full board with 62g switches, because, as I stated earlier, I've never been a huge fan of ergo clears.
The 67g version I have on the inside keys, and they feel most like lubed stock Cherry MX clears to me. Which I have always liked. But I have always felt lubed stock clears were just ever so slightly too heavy, and that's the feeling I get from these as well.
The 65g version is my "Goldilocks" switch. These feel just right. If I were to pick one weight out of the three, this would be it. As CPTBadAss said in his review, they feel very smooth and consistent all the way through from top to actuation to bottom out. I have these on the middle regions of the board,
The lubed versions of the Zealios that I received are ever so slightly smoother, but not enough to warrant the extra effort required, in my opinion. There are some who will always want lubed switches, just to have the very best experience they can get. But I am the type who would love to have a switch that I can install as-stock, and have an experience 80% or more of what the lubed version will get you. And about the same as what a lubed Cherry MX switch gets you.
So, after actual typing experience with these installed in a keyboard, I can tell you that my strong preference is toward the 65g spring version. When these are offered for sale, I will be buying large quantities of them.
I was certain 67g non-lubed was for me...until I read this about the 65g non. I wish I could try them each out first, because I definitely plan to stock up in the GB.
Post by: njbair on Fri, 21 August 2015, 09:12:40
So, after using these for a bit, PCB-mounted in my JD45, with variable weighting and Hack'd by Geeks SA keycaps, these are my thoughts:
I LOVE THESE SWITCHES!
I have always been a fan of stock clears, especially when lubed. I was never a big fan of the "ergo" mod using either stock light Cherry springs, or the Korean 62g spring, in either of the gold or standard varieties.
These Zealios, in the 62g version, feel exactly like 62g lubed ergo clears to me. I have these on the outside switches, where my pinkies would hit, so they feel okay there. I would not really prefer a full board with 62g switches, because, as I stated earlier, I've never been a huge fan of ergo clears.
The 67g version I have on the inside keys, and they feel most like lubed stock Cherry MX clears to me. Which I have always liked. But I have always felt lubed stock clears were just ever so slightly too heavy, and that's the feeling I get from these as well.
The 65g version is my "Goldilocks" switch. These feel just right. If I were to pick one weight out of the three, this would be it. As CPTBadAss said in his review, they feel very smooth and consistent all the way through from top to actuation to bottom out. I have these on the middle regions of the board,
The lubed versions of the Zealios that I received are ever so slightly smoother, but not enough to warrant the extra effort required, in my opinion. There are some who will always want lubed switches, just to have the very best experience they can get. But I am the type who would love to have a switch that I can install as-stock, and have an experience 80% or more of what the lubed version will get you. And about the same as what a lubed Cherry MX switch gets you.
So, after actual typing experience with these installed in a keyboard, I can tell you that my strong preference is toward the 65g spring version. When these are offered for sale, I will be buying large quantities of them.
Thanks for writing this. I've been thinking about a variable-weight board for a while now. In fact, I was thinking about doing that on my G80-1800 when I get my Leeku PCB. And since I plan to use HyperFuse caps, I can't think of a better switch than purple Zealios.
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 21 August 2015, 09:13:32
Is there pics of this JD45 somewhere ?
Not yet, but it's a beauty. Pretty much my endgame mini keyboard. I'll get some pics of it later, so you guys can drool. :)
I was certain 67g non-lubed was for me...until I read this about the 65g non. I wish I could try them each out first, because I definitely plan to stock up in the GB.
Yeah, it's hard to tell what things will feel like just by reading someone's description of it. I think the 65g would be the best option, then people who prefer lighter ergo clears could replace the springs with 62g or 55g springs, and those who prefer standard clears could replace the springs with 67g or higher. 85g springs are way too heavy, though, I can tell you from experience.
Thanks for writing this. I've been thinking about a variable-weight board for a while now. In fact, I was thinking about doing that on my G80-1800 when I get my Leeku PCB. And since I plan to use HyperFuse caps, I can't think of a better switch than purple Zealios.
I actually really enjoy the experience of typing on the variable weighted keyboard, something I didn't think I would like.
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 21 August 2015, 09:26:33
I just realized I never publicly shared my quick blurb review that I sent to testers. Here's a straight copy paste:
My first thoughts when testing lubed and unlubed stock switches:
62g - Wow, this feels like a way better brown. The bump is a bit more pronounced, but a bit less than what's found on 62g lubed "new" clears
62g lubed - I felt that it lost a bit of its bump after lubing. Perhaps a good alternative for Vintage browns? Koreans are cray cray over vintage browns.
65g - The whole movement is very smooth, and there's no "jumps" into bumps or ditches.
65g lubed - This really impressed me. The transition from top to bottom was pretty much perfect, and if pressed slowly, you can feel a nice cushion when bottoming out after the bump.
67g - Hard to compare Cherry to Topre, but if I had to compare the two, I'd say this would be similar. The resistance is up top, and your finger just naturally drops down after the bump. The bottom out cushion after the bump wasn't as nice feeling as the 65g counterparts. Perhaps it's due to the heavier spring which made me lose the nice, smooth gradual cushion. This stock switch reminded me of 62g "new" clears after lubing, without the gritty feel.
67g lubed - Probably my second go-to weight. While testing with a keycap and pressing down on it, the bump still felt "shorter" than the 65g lubed counterpart, but the feeling was a bit more pronounced and "in your face". It's hard to describe. The switch felt like it jumped back a bit faster/snappier, but then again, I could be imagining things.
Post by: katushkin on Fri, 21 August 2015, 10:01:44
Post by: Sed8op8 on Fri, 21 August 2015, 11:31:47
^^^^^ Excited to see pics of the JD45 myself :eek:So, after using these for a bit, PCB-mounted in my JD45, with variable weighting and Hack'd by Geeks SA keycaps, these are my thoughts:
I LOVE THESE SWITCHES!
I have always been a fan of stock clears, especially when lubed. I was never a big fan of the "ergo" mod using either stock light Cherry springs, or the Korean 62g spring, in either of the gold or standard varieties.
These Zealios, in the 62g version, feel exactly like 62g lubed ergo clears to me. I have these on the outside switches, where my pinkies would hit, so they feel okay there. I would not really prefer a full board with 62g switches, because, as I stated earlier, I've never been a huge fan of ergo clears.
The 67g version I have on the inside keys, and they feel most like lubed stock Cherry MX clears to me. Which I have always liked. But I have always felt lubed stock clears were just ever so slightly too heavy, and that's the feeling I get from these as well.
The 65g version is my "Goldilocks" switch. These feel just right. If I were to pick one weight out of the three, this would be it. As CPTBadAss said in his review, they feel very smooth and consistent all the way through from top to actuation to bottom out. I have these on the middle regions of the board,
The lubed versions of the Zealios that I received are ever so slightly smoother, but not enough to warrant the extra effort required, in my opinion. There are some who will always want lubed switches, just to have the very best experience they can get. But I am the type who would love to have a switch that I can install as-stock, and have an experience 80% or more of what the lubed version will get you. And about the same as what a lubed Cherry MX switch gets you.
So, after actual typing experience with these installed in a keyboard, I can tell you that my strong preference is toward the 65g spring version. When these are offered for sale, I will be buying large quantities of them.
You sold me Gateron blacks I'm sold on 65 Zealio too !
Is there pics of this JD45 somewhere ?
Post by: digi on Fri, 21 August 2015, 11:42:04
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 21 August 2015, 11:43:17
Zeal, please send me 100 65g switches so I can review for you, free of charge. :))
He didn't get that many, unfortunately. That's why we reviewers all got multiple weight samples.
Post by: micr0n on Fri, 21 August 2015, 11:44:13
So, after using these for a bit, PCB-mounted in my JD45, with variable weighting and Hack'd by Geeks SA keycaps, these are my thoughts:Thanks for the write up JD. You described the setup with both the 62g and 65g non lubed as though you've read my mind. 62g on the outside and 65g on the inside was the setup I was planning on going with once these switches become available.
I LOVE THESE SWITCHES!
I have always been a fan of stock clears, especially when lubed. I was never a big fan of the "ergo" mod using either stock light Cherry springs, or the Korean 62g spring, in either of the gold or standard varieties.
These Zealios, in the 62g version, feel exactly like 62g lubed ergo clears to me. I have these on the outside switches, where my pinkies would hit, so they feel okay there. I would not really prefer a full board with 62g switches, because, as I stated earlier, I've never been a huge fan of ergo clears.
The 67g version I have on the inside keys, and they feel most like lubed stock Cherry MX clears to me. Which I have always liked. But I have always felt lubed stock clears were just ever so slightly too heavy, and that's the feeling I get from these as well.
The 65g version is my "Goldilocks" switch. These feel just right. If I were to pick one weight out of the three, this would be it. As CPTBadAss said in his review, they feel very smooth and consistent all the way through from top to actuation to bottom out. I have these on the middle regions of the board,
The lubed versions of the Zealios that I received are ever so slightly smoother, but not enough to warrant the extra effort required, in my opinion. There are some who will always want lubed switches, just to have the very best experience they can get. But I am the type who would love to have a switch that I can install as-stock, and have an experience 80% or more of what the lubed version will get you. And about the same as what a lubed Cherry MX switch gets you.
So, after actual typing experience with these installed in a keyboard, I can tell you that my strong preference is toward the 65g spring version. When these are offered for sale, I will be buying large quantities of them.
Post by: Ngt on Fri, 21 August 2015, 12:18:08
Post by: njbair on Fri, 21 August 2015, 13:25:23
I actually really enjoy the experience of typing on the variable weighted keyboard, something I didn't think I would like.
How did you decide which keys were which weight?
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 21 August 2015, 13:33:50
What ever happened with that?
I see no red in these Zealios.
It was a scam all along!
(http://i.imgur.com/drz0S9Y.jpg)
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 21 August 2015, 13:38:21
I actually really enjoy the experience of typing on the variable weighted keyboard, something I didn't think I would like.
How did you decide which keys were which weight?
Since I needed around 50 keys for my JD45, Zeal sent me 17 each of the different weights. I started in the center with the 67g's, and filled as many keys as I could, while keeping symmetry and filling all rows. Then I worked out from there with the 65g's, again keeping symmetry and filling all rows, and finally finished with the 62g's on the outside.
Post by: njbair on Fri, 21 August 2015, 14:01:27
I actually really enjoy the experience of typing on the variable weighted keyboard, something I didn't think I would like.
How did you decide which keys were which weight?
Since I needed around 50 keys for my JD45, Zeal sent me 17 each of the different weights. I started in the center with the 67g's, and filled as many keys as I could, while keeping symmetry and filling all rows. Then I worked out from there with the 65g's, again keeping symmetry and filling all rows, and finally finished with the 62g's on the outside.
Wow so three weights? I think the RealForce variable only has two.
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 21 August 2015, 14:23:34
So uh. Who remembers when that mosaic image was in the OP?
What ever happened with that?
I see no red in these Zealios.
It was a scam all along!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/drz0S9Y.jpg)
They were just red linear zealios from the factory as samples. I never got them, but got black ones instead.
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 21 August 2015, 14:26:45
I actually really enjoy the experience of typing on the variable weighted keyboard, something I didn't think I would like.
How did you decide which keys were which weight?
Since I needed around 50 keys for my JD45, Zeal sent me 17 each of the different weights. I started in the center with the 67g's, and filled as many keys as I could, while keeping symmetry and filling all rows. Then I worked out from there with the 65g's, again keeping symmetry and filling all rows, and finally finished with the 62g's on the outside.
Wow so three weights? I think the RealForce variable only has two.
I will probably swap out the springs in the 67g switches for 65g gold springs, and then I will also only have two weights. Or I might swap the 62g for 65g, also, and have a uniform 65g board. :)
But I don't mind the stiffer feeling in the center. It doesn't bother me enough that I wouldn't use them that way.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 21 August 2015, 14:28:17
So uh. Who remembers when that mosaic image was in the OP?
What ever happened with that?
I see no red in these Zealios.
It was a scam all along!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/drz0S9Y.jpg)
They were just red linear zealios from the factory as samples. I never got them, but got black ones instead.
So it was all a lie. -_-
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 21 August 2015, 14:39:44
So uh. Who remembers when that mosaic image was in the OP?
What ever happened with that?
I see no red in these Zealios.
It was a scam all along!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/drz0S9Y.jpg)
They were just red linear zealios from the factory as samples. I never got them, but got black ones instead.
So it was all a lie. -_-
The clear housing was the truth tho.
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sat, 22 August 2015, 00:06:42
Living speed bump was stating how these zealios are already very smooth without lube and that he is probably going to go the unlubed route in his review.Yeah, I'm really excited for a switch that sounds like it's really nice without lube. I personally can't stand unlubed mx clears, but I always feel like when I do lube them they lose a lot of the tactility that I like to have while typing. Unlubed 67g zealios seem like a great compromise!
Yeah I would highly recommend getting a few extra Zealios than you need in the GB and lubing those before just going at the lot of them. I am 110% on board with you about not using MX Clears unless they are lubed. The unlubed Zealios are as smooth as any of my lubed MX Clears keyboards as is, the lube really just seems to amplify/diminish the tactile bump, depending on how much you use and how you use it. It is slightly smoother, yes, but I have the feeling that after I test them on a full keyboard up to speed, I won't really notice the additional "nth" of smoothness brought on by the lube.
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sat, 22 August 2015, 00:09:25
The lubed versions of the Zealios that I received are ever so slightly smoother, but not enough to warrant the extra effort required, in my opinion.
Yeah, I felt the exact same way. :thumb:
But with the clear housing, I also know quite a few people will probably sticker the switches for aesthetics, and if you already have the switch open, there isn't really a reason not at that point if you want uber-smoothness.
Post by: njbair on Sat, 22 August 2015, 08:35:45
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 22 August 2015, 09:13:17
This is a little bit OT but I just realized, I've never used Gateron browns or heard much about them. MX browns are known for their scratchiness. Are Gateron browns comparably smoother, like these are compared to clears?I've never used Gateron browns, either, but I understand from others that all Gaterons are smoother than their Cherry counterparts.
Post by: trenzafeeds on Sat, 22 August 2015, 09:20:43
I have Gateron browns, haven't noticed the scratchiness I usually feel with MX ones. They almost feel like very slightly lubed MX browns. I'm not a browns fan, but if I was I'd prefer Gaterons I think.This is a little bit OT but I just realized, I've never used Gateron browns or heard much about them. MX browns are known for their scratchiness. Are Gateron browns comparably smoother, like these are compared to clears?I've never used Gateron browns, either, but I understand from others that all Gaterons are smoother than their Cherry counterparts.
Post by: nmur on Sat, 22 August 2015, 10:25:21
I've tried brand new gateron and cherry browns side by side, and there's a definite difference between them. the difference is more noticeable between linear switch counterparts though.I have Gateron browns, haven't noticed the scratchiness I usually feel with MX ones. They almost feel like very slightly lubed MX browns. I'm not a browns fan, but if I was I'd prefer Gaterons I think.This is a little bit OT but I just realized, I've never used Gateron browns or heard much about them. MX browns are known for their scratchiness. Are Gateron browns comparably smoother, like these are compared to clears?I've never used Gateron browns, either, but I understand from others that all Gaterons are smoother than their Cherry counterparts.
Post by: Ngt on Sat, 22 August 2015, 10:57:02
Post by: njbair on Sat, 22 August 2015, 12:45:32
Perhaps I'll do a board with Zealios on the alpha and stock gateron black on the modifiers. Who knows ... ::)
I've never heard of mixing tactile and linear switches on the same board. Is there any precedent for this kind of thing?
Post by: trenzafeeds on Sat, 22 August 2015, 13:19:24
Perhaps I'll do a board with Zealios on the alpha and stock gateron black on the modifiers. Who knows ... ::)Personally I'm planning on 67g zealio alphas and modded 68g Gateron blacks
Post by: Ngt on Sat, 22 August 2015, 20:20:38
Perhaps I'll do a board with Zealios on the alpha and stock gateron black on the modifiers. Who knows ... ::)
I've never heard of mixing tactile and linear switches on the same board. Is there any precedent for this kind of thing?
If it has a name, I've no clue of it.
Post by: njbair on Sat, 22 August 2015, 20:50:32
Perhaps I'll do a board with Zealios on the alpha and stock gateron black on the modifiers. Who knows ... ::)
I've never heard of mixing tactile and linear switches on the same board. Is there any precedent for this kind of thing?
If it has a name, I've no clue of it.
Don't you think it would feel weird? What are you after?
Post by: Zustiur on Sat, 22 August 2015, 20:53:28
Post by: njbair on Sat, 22 August 2015, 20:56:03
I used Cherry reds on my modifiers and whites on the rest. Logic being that lighter springs should be on the keys you have to hold down.
I get the variable weights issue, but mixing tactile and linear just seems weird to me.
Post by: Zustiur on Sat, 22 August 2015, 20:58:32
I went with whites because I could be couldn't get clears. These zealios sound like the solution for my next board.
Post by: Ngt on Sun, 23 August 2015, 04:57:20
To be honest I've never tried it. It is just that the lightest keys I have at hand ate gateron black. :)I used Cherry reds on my modifiers and whites on the rest. Logic being that lighter springs should be on the keys you have to hold down.
I get the variable weights issue, but mixing tactile and linear just seems weird to me.
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sun, 23 August 2015, 07:53:58
This is a little bit OT but I just realized, I've never used Gateron browns or heard much about them. MX browns are known for their scratchiness. Are Gateron browns comparably smoother, like these are compared to clears?I've never used Gateron browns, either, but I understand from others that all Gaterons are smoother than their Cherry counterparts.
They are slightly smoother, but the tactile bump is very similar, still too small for my personal taste.
Post by: punkpc on Sun, 23 August 2015, 10:06:16
Post by: trenzafeeds on Sun, 23 August 2015, 10:19:42
Do we have any idea on when these might be available? I would love these for my KC60... when ever it arrives... Also do we have a ball park pricing because these are custom runs?Read the thread before asking questions, he's hoping to get a groupbuy up before the end of August.
Post by: potatowire on Sun, 23 August 2015, 10:24:58
and expect $0.75 per switch.Do we have any idea on when these might be available? I would love these for my KC60... when ever it arrives... Also do we have a ball park pricing because these are custom runs?Read the thread before asking questions, he's hoping to get a groupbuy up before the end of August.
Post by: rainb1ood on Sun, 23 August 2015, 10:35:13
Post by: punkpc on Sun, 23 August 2015, 10:51:34
Sorry was digging and must have missed that.Do we have any idea on when these might be available? I would love these for my KC60... when ever it arrives... Also do we have a ball park pricing because these are custom runs?Read the thread before asking questions, he's hoping to get a groupbuy up before the end of August.
Post by: mattbox on Sun, 23 August 2015, 12:23:05
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 23 August 2015, 14:21:22
Will we be settling on a single spring or will they be available in 62g/65g/67g?
Finalizing that by today hopefully. As it stands, maybe only 65g and 67g will remain.
Post by: pichu23 on Sun, 23 August 2015, 14:47:25
Will we be settling on a single spring or will they be available in 62g/65g/67g?
Finalizing that by today hopefully. As it stands, maybe only 65g and 67g will remain.
Think 67g sounds real nice. I always preferred something slightly heavier :D
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sun, 23 August 2015, 15:19:46
Will we be settling on a single spring or will they be available in 62g/65g/67g?
Finalizing that by today hopefully. As it stands, maybe only 65g and 67g will remain.
I would fully support that call :thumb:
Post by: Ahkrael on Sun, 23 August 2015, 16:29:54
Perhaps I'll do a board with Zealios on the alpha and stock gateron black on the modifiers. Who knows ... ::)
I've never heard of mixing tactile and linear switches on the same board. Is there any precedent for this kind of thing?
This is something I'm thinking of doing as well, at least to test it out. I have a bunch of gateron browns and clears, and many different weighted springs to experiment with, but personally I think having different tactility would be interesting. I do more gaming than typing on most of my boards, and after having used a Novatouch for about a year, going back to an MX brown board I can tell a difference while gaming, noticing the bump whereas previously I wouldn't notice anything on upstrokes with the topre. For the modifiers though, I can't see a reason (and perhaps it has to do with some scratchiness on my cherry browns) one would want the tactility for Shift, Ctrl and Alt. Again, this is more for gaming purposes, the way I'm looking at it. I've got an orion v2 coming, so eventually when I have it, I want to do some test runs modding my QFR's and see what I like. These switches look awesome though, I'm definitely going to grab at least 100.
Post by: ika on Sun, 23 August 2015, 20:56:23
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sun, 23 August 2015, 21:06:00
For those with samples, can anyone test to see if 55g springs (esp. GON, sprit springs) will cause the switch to stick? Bonus points for heavier caps like SA profile or various artisans.
I think i actually have a few 55g springs left over, will look when i get back in late tonight, and test and report back if so.
Post by: turboloser on Sun, 23 August 2015, 22:06:17
Post by: UTEster750 on Mon, 24 August 2015, 06:32:59
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 24 August 2015, 09:13:49
Post by: asgeirtj on Mon, 24 August 2015, 09:26:02
So, after using these for a bit, PCB-mounted in my JD45, with variable weighting and Hack'd by Geeks SA keycaps, these are my thoughts:
I LOVE THESE SWITCHES!
I have always been a fan of stock clears, especially when lubed. I was never a big fan of the "ergo" mod using either stock light Cherry springs, or the Korean 62g spring, in either of the gold or standard varieties.
These Zealios, in the 62g version, feel exactly like 62g lubed ergo clears to me. I have these on the outside switches, where my pinkies would hit, so they feel okay there. I would not really prefer a full board with 62g switches, because, as I stated earlier, I've never been a huge fan of ergo clears.
The 67g version I have on the inside keys, and they feel most like lubed stock Cherry MX clears to me. Which I have always liked. But I have always felt lubed stock clears were just ever so slightly too heavy, and that's the feeling I get from these as well.
The 65g version is my "Goldilocks" switch. These feel just right. If I were to pick one weight out of the three, this would be it. As CPTBadAss said in his review, they feel very smooth and consistent all the way through from top to actuation to bottom out. I have these on the middle regions of the board,
The lubed versions of the Zealios that I received are ever so slightly smoother, but not enough to warrant the extra effort required, in my opinion. There are some who will always want lubed switches, just to have the very best experience they can get. But I am the type who would love to have a switch that I can install as-stock, and have an experience 80% or more of what the lubed version will get you. And about the same as what a lubed Cherry MX switch gets you.
So, after actual typing experience with these installed in a keyboard, I can tell you that my strong preference is toward the 65g spring version. When these are offered for sale, I will be buying large quantities of them.
Soo in conclusion these switches are on par with lubed mx? But when lubed 20% better than mx?
Post by: Evo_Spec on Mon, 24 August 2015, 09:51:39
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 25 August 2015, 07:24:19
62g Clear (Linear)
65g Clear (Linear)
67g Clear (Linear)
62g Purple (ergo-clear tactile)
65g Purple (ergo-clear tactile)
67g Purple (ergo-clear tactile)
$0.75 / switch
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Tue, 25 August 2015, 07:28:11
GB starting soon. Setting up order form. All spring weights will be available. Waiting on mkawa's email to see if I can incorporate GH V3 lube into the buy.Awesome! I'm thinking I'll go for 67g purple! (I assume we are paying through PayPal...)
62g Clear (Linear)
65g Clear (Linear)
67g Clear (Linear)
62g Purple (ergo-clear tactile)
65g Purple (ergo-clear tactile)
67g Purple (ergo-clear tactile)
$0.75 / switch
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 25 August 2015, 07:37:12
GB starting soon. Setting up order form. All spring weights will be available. Waiting on mkawa's email to see if I can incorporate GH V3 lube into the buy.Awesome! I'm thinking I'll go for 67g purple! (I assume we are paying through PayPal...)
62g Clear (Linear)
65g Clear (Linear)
67g Clear (Linear)
62g Purple (ergo-clear tactile)
65g Purple (ergo-clear tactile)
67g Purple (ergo-clear tactile)
$0.75 / switch
Orders will be taken directly from my site. It accepts paypal and credit cards through Stripe.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Tue, 25 August 2015, 07:42:58
Awesome! I'm super excited!!!GB starting soon. Setting up order form. All spring weights will be available. Waiting on mkawa's email to see if I can incorporate GH V3 lube into the buy.Awesome! I'm thinking I'll go for 67g purple! (I assume we are paying through PayPal...)
62g Clear (Linear)
65g Clear (Linear)
67g Clear (Linear)
62g Purple (ergo-clear tactile)
65g Purple (ergo-clear tactile)
67g Purple (ergo-clear tactile)
$0.75 / switch
Orders will be taken directly from my site. It accepts paypal and credit cards through Stripe.
Post by: Vaun on Tue, 25 August 2015, 08:12:18
Post by: sth on Tue, 25 August 2015, 08:15:48
Post by: joey on Tue, 25 August 2015, 08:16:58
Post by: andysun on Tue, 25 August 2015, 08:34:48
Where will the switches be shipped from?
EDIT: just noticed Zeals location :P
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 25 August 2015, 08:57:50
75c? Tiered discounts?As explained on IRC, Gateron MOQ is really really high. If the order doesn't tip it, I'll be buying out the rest. Due to the customization of the switch and tooling/logistics, there will not be tiered discounts for this buy. Sorry.
How long will it be open for?GB will be open until Sept 30, 2015.
Hyped! :D
Where will the switches be shipped from?
Canada. Will look into finding an EU member to proxy.
Post by: cwils0n on Tue, 25 August 2015, 08:59:09
Post by: awhitedev on Tue, 25 August 2015, 09:32:23
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:03:22
Sorry if this has been asked before... How are you counting switches? By weight, hand, or machine? I was part of another Gateron group buy and received 10 less than I actually ordered and I want to make sure that doesn't happen here.
I'll be double weighing them on two different scales (one measures to 0.01g), the other to the nearest gram. I'll also have one bag hand counted for cross reference. Don't worry, you won't get the short end of the stick and end up with 10 less switches.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:06:29
Post by: donpark on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:06:56
do you ship international?
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:14:59
will the switches be shipped when we order or only after the GB ends?Zeal did just say something about finding a proxy member in Europe, so I'm sure he will ship internationally.
do you ship international?
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:21:50
I assume that since the GB is open until the 30th, that they will be shipping a week or so after the end of the GB?
Gateron has quoted me "1 day to manufacture" time. That does not include purchasing the purple plastics pellets, packing & shipping. I'd say roughly 1 business week after order has been submitted to Gateron before it arrives at my doorsteps. Then from there, I'll ship on a first-to-order basis.
will the switches be shipped when we order or only after the GB ends?
do you ship international?
It will be shipped only after GB ends + manufacturing + shipping time. I ship worldwide!
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:23:24
Then from there, I'll ship on a first-to-order basis.In that case, I'll have to be one of the first to order!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:26:05
I assume that since the GB is open until the 30th, that they will be shipping a week or so after the end of the GB?
Gateron has quoted me "1 day to manufacture" time. That does not include purchasing the purple plastics pellets, packing & shipping. I'd say roughly 1 business week after order has been submitted to Gateron before it arrives at my doorsteps. Then from there, I'll ship on a first-to-order basis.will the switches be shipped when we order or only after the GB ends?
do you ship international?
It will be shipped only after GB ends + manufacturing + shipping time. I ship worldwide!
We really, really need to get some good quality video of the manufacturing process. :eek:
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:30:35
I assume that since the GB is open until the 30th, that they will be shipping a week or so after the end of the GB?
Gateron has quoted me "1 day to manufacture" time. That does not include purchasing the purple plastics pellets, packing & shipping. I'd say roughly 1 business week after order has been submitted to Gateron before it arrives at my doorsteps. Then from there, I'll ship on a first-to-order basis.will the switches be shipped when we order or only after the GB ends?
do you ship international?
It will be shipped only after GB ends + manufacturing + shipping time. I ship worldwide!
We really, really need to get some good quality video of the manufacturing process. :eek:
Classified info. :P
I've got some video footage of their doubleshot machines...but that's for me to watch only :))
Post by: njbair on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:37:30
Classified info. :P
I've got some video footage of their doubleshot machines...but that's for me to watch only :))
Well then, we'll just have to hack you.
(http://i.giphy.com/1230rTAtEjLyLu.gif)
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:47:38
Classified info. :P
I've got some video footage of their doubleshot machines...but that's for me to watch only :))
Well then, we'll just have to hack you.Show Image(http://i.giphy.com/1230rTAtEjLyLu.gif)
I just realized I typed doubleshot instead of injection moulding. That's what happens when you get 3hrs of sleep.
Video footage also isn't online, so gl.
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Tue, 25 August 2015, 13:20:16
Video footage also isn't online, so gl.Is the computer where the video is connected to the internet? If so, then it can be hacked.
Post by: skycrimes on Tue, 25 August 2015, 14:20:40
Post by: cwils0n on Tue, 25 August 2015, 14:29:37
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 25 August 2015, 14:46:31
http://zealpc.net/collections/group-buy-pre-orders
Post by: jbondeson on Tue, 25 August 2015, 14:47:32
Group buy is live?
Zeal was saying in irc that he's not quite ready.
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 25 August 2015, 14:48:28
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 25 August 2015, 14:51:13
Group buy is live?Writing up GB post now. =T
http://zealpc.net/collections/group-buy-pre-orders
Post by: mattyIce on Tue, 25 August 2015, 14:52:22
Just ordered 65g tactiles for my neutrino! $15 DHL 1 day express shipping was my only option, however.I was a little surprised by the $15 shipping as well. If there is a cheaper option I don't mind waiting.
Post by: cwils0n on Tue, 25 August 2015, 14:54:35
Group buy is live?
Zeal was saying in irc that he's not quite ready.
My order went through and I received my confirmation email. Don't forget to click the option to enter the Bingcap raffle.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 25 August 2015, 14:58:07
Show Image(http://puu.sh/jOkOr/808437ac2f.png)
Oh holy ****.
/me bribes everyone
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 25 August 2015, 15:04:36
Post by: cwils0n on Tue, 25 August 2015, 15:13:09
To everyone asking for a cheaper USA shipping method: There's only Canada Post Tracked Packet USA (4-10 business days), and it costs a mere $1-2 less. Canada Post doesn't have the low prices you guys have in the states. Good thing is overnight shipping is well worth it, trust me. ;)
Yea, that's why I had no issue with paying the $15. Well worth the money and they get into my hands even faster. Too bad I'll still be waiting on a Carbon set to complete this build.
Post by: aznairjordan on Tue, 25 August 2015, 15:14:10
Post by: TastaturenAuslese on Tue, 25 August 2015, 15:16:49
When does this raffle end? :3Show Image(http://puu.sh/jOkOr/808437ac2f.png)
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Tue, 25 August 2015, 15:18:47
Post by: romevi on Tue, 25 August 2015, 15:19:19
When does this raffle end? :3Show Image(http://puu.sh/jOkOr/808437ac2f.png)
When Gotham is in ashes.
Post by: TastaturenAuslese on Tue, 25 August 2015, 15:22:52
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Tue, 25 August 2015, 15:26:03
also, 1 day shipping is sweet! (I've been shipping headphones through FedEx, and I've been paying about the same price for shipping as these switches were, but it takes a week, so for me, this is relatively cheap!)
Post by: 3K on Tue, 25 August 2015, 15:28:29
Post by: rainb1ood on Tue, 25 August 2015, 15:31:18
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Tue, 25 August 2015, 15:33:46
Hmm...
I'll probably get a set, but not sure if i'm willing to pay for two >.>
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Tue, 25 August 2015, 15:39:47
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 25 August 2015, 15:48:12
@zeal, I just realized I was an idiot and ordered 65! And that's definitely NOT a multiple of ten! Can I change my order to five more switches, or do you mind that I made that mistake? My apologies for my idiocy.
Up to you if you want to re-order. I can count 5 more switches, but if everyone does this, I'll be a sad panda. :(
Post by: katushkin on Tue, 25 August 2015, 15:51:17
ahh holy.. how much do you expect to sell them for in your store after the gb? Thinking of only getting a tkl amount of switches as I can't think of spending 100+ on switches that I won't use relatively quickly
They will be more expensive after the GB.
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 25 August 2015, 16:17:24
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74807
Post by: livingspeedbump on Tue, 25 August 2015, 16:40:30
Post by: Bucky on Tue, 25 August 2015, 16:53:31
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Tue, 25 August 2015, 16:58:51
I don't think they will. It was totally my fault (it's very clearly written on the order page, and I read it too. I was going to order 60, as it's a multiple of ten, but I thought "oh, well it might be nice to have some extra switches" and immediately forgot about your request for multiples of ten. I bet I'll be the only one, and if there are more, I couldn't imagine more than a handful of the orders would be like this. Especially considering that it sounds like a lot of people will be ordering a few hundred... Again, my apologies.@zeal, I just realized I was an idiot and ordered 65! And that's definitely NOT a multiple of ten! Can I change my order to five more switches, or do you mind that I made that mistake? My apologies for my idiocy.
Up to you if you want to re-order. I can count 5 more switches, but if everyone does this, I'll be a sad panda. :(
Post by: Uhmkevinkev on Thu, 27 August 2015, 05:55:28
If not I am still going to buy them.
Also how much will they cost after the GB?
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 27 August 2015, 08:52:47
So I'm just confirming in the review on keychatter it says the 67g purple has a little click sound is this true?
If not I am still going to buy them.
Also how much will they cost after the GB?
No, they don't click like clicky switches. I think what he meant was it removed a bit of the "top-out" sound when the stem bounces back due to the lube.
Price after GB will depend on how many I'll have to order to cover MOQ, or if MOQ gets reached, how many extras I decide on order. So there's no set price yet.
Post by: romevi on Thu, 27 August 2015, 11:05:41
Also, never used linear before on a board, but thinking of putting some in my Mira, when that happens. Since I like heavier switches, would 67g be too heavy or should I opt for 65g?
First-world decisions, decisions...!
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 27 August 2015, 11:44:02
I'm used to Topre 55g and buckling springs. Which Purple would be best for me? 65g or 67g? Deciding which to get for my Jane.
Also, never used linear before on a board, but thinking of putting some in my Mira, when that happens. Since I like heavier switches, would 67g be too heavy or should I opt for 65g?
First-world decisions, decisions...!
I'm not you, so I really can't make that decision D: It does sound like you like heavier switches though.
67g Clear Zealio is still lighter than MX Blacks. Keep that in mind!
Post by: romevi on Thu, 27 August 2015, 11:47:17
I'm used to Topre 55g and buckling springs. Which Purple would be best for me? 65g or 67g? Deciding which to get for my Jane.
Also, never used linear before on a board, but thinking of putting some in my Mira, when that happens. Since I like heavier switches, would 67g be too heavy or should I opt for 65g?
First-world decisions, decisions...!
I'm not you, so I really can't make that decision D: It does sound like you like heavier switches though.
67g Clear Zealio is still lighter than MX Blacks. Keep that in mind!
Ah, okay. Thanks! Looks like I'll opt for the 67g for my Mira. The Jane will be my first MX board, and so I've never used Ergo Clears, but have decided that those will be my first switch. May go for Purple 65g since that so far seems to be the most favorable after all three reviews are averaged.
Post by: zvans18 on Fri, 28 August 2015, 15:09:48
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 28 August 2015, 15:39:10
did the clears/linears get any special attention other than the springs and 4pin compatible, transparent housing? (specifically looking for a butter linear)
Yep! Please refer to this image (clear & black stems are the same mould) Black just happens to be easier to take a macro pic of.
(http://i.imgur.com/bqrtVFn.jpg)
Post by: zvans18 on Fri, 28 August 2015, 16:10:07
did the clears/linears get any special attention other than the springs and 4pin compatible, transparent housing? (specifically looking for a butter linear)
Yep! Please refer to this image (clear & black stems are the same mould) Black just happens to be easier to take a macro pic of.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bqrtVFn.jpg)
Ooh, never seen that comparison, very nice. A couple follow-up questions though: 1- I guess closer to my actual original question is do your linears differ from standard gaterons, which are already better than cherry, by more than what i mentioned or could I get away with standard gat linears and custom springs if i wanted new weight? (if I didn't want RGB support) 2- I keep hearing you refer to the weights as 62 being around brown territory and your 67 being lighter than blacks, but ripster's tests seem to disagree, maybe I'm just not understanding something?
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 28 August 2015, 16:42:27
did the clears/linears get any special attention other than the springs and 4pin compatible, transparent housing? (specifically looking for a butter linear)
Yep! Please refer to this image (clear & black stems are the same mould) Black just happens to be easier to take a macro pic of.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bqrtVFn.jpg)
Ooh, never seen that comparison, very nice. A couple follow-up questions though: 1- I guess closer to my actual original question is do your linears differ from standard gaterons, which are already better than cherry, by more than what i mentioned or could I get away with standard gat linears and custom springs if i wanted new weight? (if I didn't want RGB support) 2- I keep hearing you refer to the weights as 62 being around brown territory and your 67 being lighter than blacks, but ripster's tests seem to disagree, maybe I'm just not understanding something?
Happy to answer those questions.
1: The RGB switch top further enhances the smoothness of the Gateron / Zealio switches as the guiding rails have been tweaked slightly. From my brief testing, the "catching issue" some people have reported using regular clear tops / milky Gateron tops with thicker keycaps are not present on the RGB switch tops.
2: The 62g, 65g and 67g spring weights you see me referencing are "Korean spring weights", which measure the bottom out force of the switch instead of the actuation force, like Cherry. It's confusing at first, but once you feel it, you'll be able to relate.
Post by: Ngt on Fri, 28 August 2015, 16:43:12
did the clears/linears get any special attention other than the springs and 4pin compatible, transparent housing? (specifically looking for a butter linear)
Yep! Please refer to this image (clear & black stems are the same mould) Black just happens to be easier to take a macro pic of.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bqrtVFn.jpg)
Is it me or there is a different in density in the plastic between the gateron sliding (I don't know how to call it, the thing on top left of the switch) part and the cherry one?
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 28 August 2015, 22:28:47
did the clears/linears get any special attention other than the springs and 4pin compatible, transparent housing? (specifically looking for a butter linear)
Yep! Please refer to this image (clear & black stems are the same mould) Black just happens to be easier to take a macro pic of.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bqrtVFn.jpg)
Is it me or there is a different in density in the plastic between the gateron sliding (I don't know how to call it, the thing on top left of the switch) part and the cherry one?
Are you referring that the Gateron has a bit more plastic on the rear leg in the back? If so, it does appear that the leg is more "filled in". Though it wouldn't make much of a difference in the feeling. :P The point of the pic was to show off the smoothness & roughness of the slider legs.
Post by: Ngt on Sat, 29 August 2015, 04:45:59
That's what i tried to explain in my own terms.did the clears/linears get any special attention other than the springs and 4pin compatible, transparent housing? (specifically looking for a butter linear)
Yep! Please refer to this image (clear & black stems are the same mould) Black just happens to be easier to take a macro pic of.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bqrtVFn.jpg)
Is it me or there is a different in density in the plastic between the gateron sliding (I don't know how to call it, the thing on top left of the switch) part and the cherry one?
Are you referring that the Gateron has a bit more plastic on the rear leg in the back? If so, it does appear that the leg is more "filled in". Though it wouldn't make much of a difference in the feeling.
Post by: mr.squishy on Sat, 05 September 2015, 01:13:12
Post by: dohbot on Wed, 09 September 2015, 18:06:26
Thanks so much!
Post by: ika on Wed, 09 September 2015, 18:16:26
I was going to purchase a small batch of these for a college project, but the shipping is just so much :(
Depending on when your project is due and where you live, you can ask for someone to tack on a few more switches for you and ship them out after they receive it in whatever country you live in (guessing US).
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 09 September 2015, 18:27:53
Pretty sure this has been asked before but I just want to triple check before I send in my purchase, the springs are done in the korean weighting and the 62g is just a bit heavier than normal browns? Or is it a bit heavier than blues? I know 65g is suggested, and do they come factory lubed and if so what would be the advantages of lubing them ourselves?
Thanks so much!
Yes, the springs are measured by Korean weighting system, and 62g is a bit heavier than stock Cherry MX brown/blue/red switches -- they all share the same spring.
The legs are factory lubed on Zealios. Purchasing Krytox lube is so that the end user has more control on what points they want lubed, as lubing is subjective to each person's taste.
Post by: dohbot on Wed, 09 September 2015, 19:36:05
Pretty sure this has been asked before but I just want to triple check before I send in my purchase, the springs are done in the korean weighting and the 62g is just a bit heavier than normal browns? Or is it a bit heavier than blues? I know 65g is suggested, and do they come factory lubed and if so what would be the advantages of lubing them ourselves?
Thanks so much!
Yes, the springs are measured by Korean weighting system, and 62g is a bit heavier than stock Cherry MX brown/blue/red switches -- they all share the same spring.
The legs are factory lubed on Zealios. Purchasing Krytox lube is so that the end user has more control on what points they want lubed, as lubing is subjective to each person's taste.
Great!! I'll go in for 80 62g and some lube for when things should be getting :cool:
Post by: ctm on Fri, 18 September 2015, 07:48:06
Post by: dohbot on Fri, 18 September 2015, 08:13:24
Can anyone compare this to Matias quiet switch?
Once they ship, I'll try.
Post by: ctm on Fri, 18 September 2015, 08:51:03
Great! Thanks!Can anyone compare this to Matias quiet switch?
Once they ship, I'll try.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 18 September 2015, 08:59:14
Can anyone compare this to Matias quiet switch?
In addition to this post (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75300.msg1868227#msg1868227), I'll add some of my thoughts here.
I really like the Zealio switch but I prefer the Matias Quiet switch. I like the higher actuation point. I REALLY like the bottom out feeling you get in the Matias Quiets because of the rubber inserts. It's a little cushiony. I think that the tactile bump is sharper feeling and not as rounded as anything MX-mount. To me, Alps tactile switches > MX-mount.
Post by: Ngt on Sun, 20 September 2015, 15:23:53
Can anyone compare this to Matias quiet switch?
In addition to this post (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75300.msg1868227#msg1868227), I'll add some of my thoughts here.
I really like the Zealio switch but I prefer the Matias Quiet switch. I like the higher actuation point. I REALLY like the bottom out feeling you get in the Matias Quiets because of the rubber inserts. It's a little cushiony. I think that the tactile bump is sharper feeling and not as rounded as anything MX-mount. To me, Alps tactile switches > MX-mount.
You got me curious, but aren't ALPS keycaps set really hard to find?
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Sun, 20 September 2015, 15:26:33
Matias makes switches that are essentially the same, afaikCan anyone compare this to Matias quiet switch?
In addition to this post (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75300.msg1868227#msg1868227), I'll add some of my thoughts here.
I really like the Zealio switch but I prefer the Matias Quiet switch. I like the higher actuation point. I REALLY like the bottom out feeling you get in the Matias Quiets because of the rubber inserts. It's a little cushiony. I think that the tactile bump is sharper feeling and not as rounded as anything MX-mount. To me, Alps tactile switches > MX-mount.
You got me curious, but aren't ALPS keycaps set really hard to find?
Post by: Ngt on Sun, 20 September 2015, 15:27:57
Matias makes switches that are essentially the same, afaikCan anyone compare this to Matias quiet switch?
In addition to this post (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75300.msg1868227#msg1868227), I'll add some of my thoughts here.
I really like the Zealio switch but I prefer the Matias Quiet switch. I like the higher actuation point. I REALLY like the bottom out feeling you get in the Matias Quiets because of the rubber inserts. It's a little cushiony. I think that the tactile bump is sharper feeling and not as rounded as anything MX-mount. To me, Alps tactile switches > MX-mount.
You got me curious, but aren't ALPS keycaps set really hard to find?
I meant Alps in general not particularly for the Matias switches.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Sun, 20 September 2015, 15:31:09
Vintage Alps keysets are common and easy to find on eBay and other places. And cheap. I've picked up Alps compatible rubber dome keyboards for $2.
Post by: Ngt on Sun, 20 September 2015, 15:34:32
Modern Alps keysets in fun colors are hard to find but starting to become more common. Tai Hao sets and SP sets are starting to gain headway.
Vintage Alps keysets are common and easy to find on eBay and other places. And cheap. I've picked up Alps compatible rubber dome keyboards for $2.
Alright fair enough.
Post by: Sed8op8 on Sun, 20 September 2015, 15:52:10
Post by: strict on Sun, 20 September 2015, 19:20:46
Just ordered x90 65g Zealio tactiles I'm really excited to put these in my next board :eek:
We're getting down to the wire here, Im going to have to place my order soon as well. Just not sure how many I want to go for, I'm thinking around enough to convert either my Filco or Phantom plus enough to do one more TKL board in the future.
Post by: Ngt on Mon, 21 September 2015, 17:50:37
Post by: njbair on Mon, 21 September 2015, 20:21:05
Get twice as many as you think you need.Just ordered x90 65g Zealio tactiles I'm really excited to put these in my next board :eek:
We're getting down to the wire here, Im going to have to place my order soon as well. Just not sure how many I want to go for, I'm thinking around enough to convert either my Filco or Phantom plus enough to do one more TKL board in the future.
These babies are the future.
Post by: blai5000 on Mon, 21 September 2015, 21:12:07
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 21 September 2015, 21:16:58
Any opinions on how the clear linear variants feel? The reviews mostly focus on the tactile switches, doesn't go that detailed on the linears beyond saying they're similar to vintage blacks...How do they compare to regular Gateron Clears/Reds/Blacks in terms of smoothness and feel?
All 3 of the above switches you've listed share the same mould, so the Linear line of Zealio switches will equally be as smooth. The only difference is the completely transparent housing and a more customized spring weight. 62g/65g/67g are all a bit heavier than reds, but lighter than blacks.
Post by: blai5000 on Mon, 21 September 2015, 21:20:19
Any opinions on how the clear linear variants feel? The reviews mostly focus on the tactile switches, doesn't go that detailed on the linears beyond saying they're similar to vintage blacks...How do they compare to regular Gateron Clears/Reds/Blacks in terms of smoothness and feel?
All 3 of the above switches you've listed share the same mould, so the Linear line of Zealio switches will equally be as smooth. The only difference is the completely transparent housing and a more customized spring weight. 62g/65g/67g are all a bit heavier than reds, but lighter than blacks.
Sounds perfect, thanks for the quick reply! Gonna have to grab some!
Post by: kishagi on Sat, 26 September 2015, 19:33:36
Post by: theanyday on Tue, 29 September 2015, 21:26:29
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 29 September 2015, 21:28:15
Zeal, due to some internet issues I've seemed to have ordered the wrong weighted switches. What would the best way to change my order be? Should I just reply to the order confirmation email? Sorry for the extra work.
Reply to the order confirmation email and I'll cancel that order for you to place the correct one.
Post by: theanyday on Tue, 29 September 2015, 22:28:10
Zeal, due to some internet issues I've seemed to have ordered the wrong weighted switches. What would the best way to change my order be? Should I just reply to the order confirmation email? Sorry for the extra work.
Reply to the order confirmation email and I'll cancel that order for you to place the correct one.
Awesome! Canceled and reordered. Thank you! :thumb:
Post by: Ngt on Wed, 30 September 2015, 16:36:44
Sadly it was too late for the binge raffle.
Thanks for organizing everything Zeal! You rock!
Post by: romevi on Wed, 30 September 2015, 16:45:17
in case I don't like the gateron black enough.
Have you tried them? Tried them the other day and I'm in lerv.
Post by: Ngt on Wed, 30 September 2015, 16:46:30
in case I don't like the gateron black enough.
Have you tried them? Tried them the other day and I'm in lerv.
I did but not a for a long time. Just a quick peak. I have them sitting in my cupboard as I don't have my 60% case yet. :'(
Post by: skaloola on Sat, 17 October 2015, 13:36:40
edit: woops, for some reason I thought they were $0.55.. but they were $0.75. Not too bad of a markup actually, still ends up being quite a bit of a difference when you need to buy 70 - 100 at a time.
Still eagerly awaiting for mine to arrive.. super excited to put these in my first custom.
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 17 October 2015, 13:44:15
Ouch, if I would have known the price would be nearly double the GB price I would have ordered a lot more during the preorder/group buy period .. =/
Geez!
I wouldn't call a $0.22 price increase for retail sale "double" preorder/GB pricing. Customers were informed that the price would be adjusted upon the arrival of my second shipment of switches. :-X
Post by: skaloola on Sat, 17 October 2015, 13:45:44
Ouch, if I would have known the price would be nearly double the GB price I would have ordered a lot more during the preorder/group buy period .. =/
Geez!
I wouldn't call a $0.22 price increase for retail sale "double" preorder/GB pricing. Customers were informed that the price would be adjusted upon the arrival of my second shipment of switches. :-X
Yeah, my bad. Updated my post.
Post by: ika on Tue, 20 October 2015, 00:19:57
Been a long and tedious day... but it's over!
http://imgur.com/a/fvXTQ (http://imgur.com/a/fvXTQ)
More
(http://i.imgur.com/MmI4Pso.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/be9vlhs.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/gxoUgYV.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/cmEJpOz.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/be9vlhs.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/gxoUgYV.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/cmEJpOz.jpg)
Post by: mesteris on Tue, 03 November 2015, 08:14:48
Finished blue stickered zealios on the left!
Gonna be using some white stickers on some linear zealios soon! Love the transparent housings.
Post by: enddot on Wed, 11 November 2015, 07:41:53
Post by: Dodgy on Tue, 15 December 2015, 16:44:32
Anyone have about 10 switches they would sell?
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 15 December 2015, 19:28:04
I'm such a dummy- I'm like 10 switches short of 62g tactiles for my current build- when are these coming back in stock?
Anyone have about 10 switches they would sell?
I would totally help you out if I had 62g. :( I can spare some 67g if you have springs or don't mind 67g in your F-row or wherever.
Post by: iss on Wed, 23 December 2015, 08:49:18
Post by: popkorn62 on Sun, 10 January 2016, 04:50:24
Post by: UTEster750 on Sun, 10 January 2016, 04:56:01
ugh I hope the 62g tactile will come back soon!
Zeal is working on a round 2 at the moment, I believe he was planning on doing the group buy this month (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong).
Post by: xondat on Sun, 10 January 2016, 11:51:37
ugh I hope the 62g tactile will come back soon!
Zeal is working on a round 2 at the moment, I believe he was planning on doing the group buy this month (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong).
Correct - mid Jan was what he told me.
Post by: UTEster750 on Mon, 11 January 2016, 05:15:33
ugh I hope the 62g tactile will come back soon!
Zeal is working on a round 2 at the moment, I believe he was planning on doing the group buy this month (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong).
Correct - mid Jan was what he told me.
Went through the other thread and found where he had said it.
I have the urge to buy some 78g switches but I have no need or reason, but I'm trying to find one :(
Post by: brentaarnold on Mon, 11 January 2016, 23:23:39
Post by: TrueMeta on Tue, 12 January 2016, 13:40:06
Post by: Dernubenfrieken on Tue, 12 January 2016, 14:12:37
So I saw on the website "R2 Zealio Switch GB/Pre-order will come soon in January!" which is awesome and seems like what you guys are talking about. My question is, is this group buy going to be only on/through geekhack or will it be on massdrop or something similar? Basically, I'm new here and it said I needed 50 posts before participating in group buys, so will I need to have 50 posts if I want some of these in the upcoming January drop?
I believe that it'll be on zealpc (website), but I don't think there's a minimum requirement for GB's. Most are just a google form with paypal invoicing anyways.
Post by: TrueMeta on Tue, 12 January 2016, 14:25:02
Post by: Dansor on Wed, 13 January 2016, 10:24:19
If heat is indeed relted to the zealio chattering, it seems like an easy fix.
Been tempted to try it.
Post by: Dansor on Wed, 13 January 2016, 22:00:55
I got bored tonight and soldered my compact 1800 tonight, and switch hitter is showing no chattering. :)
If anyone is curious, I soldered at 650F, and didn't hold the tip on any pad for more that 3 seconds, 2 seconds for almost all of them. I figure slightly higher heat for shorter periods will lead to less heat transfer tithe plastic than lower heat for longer periods.
Anywa, thanks zeal couldn't be more happy :)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Wed, 13 January 2016, 22:58:23
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 13 January 2016, 23:13:17
I soldered my Compact SQ at whatever the max heat is (Weller 40W) with some average leaded solder... The heat is on the pcb for less than a second. Had zero issues with my 65g Zealios :thumb:
Nice!
Post by: korrelate on Sat, 16 January 2016, 19:09:00
1. yes there is a tiny bit more wobble on these stems vs. stocks. Not enough for me to ever care about thouh and afaik there is absolutely no interference with the operation of the switch.
2. these are every bit as smooth as i had hoped. they feel absolutely terrific.
3. way easier to mount and pull keys than stock clears
4. i think they also sound great.
tl;dr if you're a wobble hound then proceed with caution - everybody else should run a nd get a set. these are better than any cherry switch i have ever tried (blue, red, clear, black, brown). they really ae smoother because they're molded better or made with better plastic... check zelio's thread for the macro shots comparing the surface of stock blacks and clears to his... the really do like that (i confirmed with a jeweler's loupe).
great job and i will definitely buy again.
Post by: iLLucionist on Sun, 31 January 2016, 05:21:04
Post by: jerue on Sun, 31 January 2016, 06:06:16
Are there already boards with them? Or should I go completely custom?
I have only seen the WhiteFox board sold with Zealios pre-assembled...you would have to place these in an existing board yourself. Going custom is one option...or just desolder/resolder these into the board. If you have a PCB mount keyboard with Cherry switches you can just swap the top halves/springs/sliders in without issue (except a bit of wobbling, in that case switch stickers would help a bit)
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Sun, 31 January 2016, 11:56:56
I'm pretty sure you had to assemble the white fox yourself if you bought zealios. (IIRC)Are there already boards with them? Or should I go completely custom?
I have only seen the WhiteFox board sold with Zealios pre-assembled...you would have to place these in an existing board yourself. Going custom is one option...or just desolder/resolder these into the board. If you have a PCB mount keyboard with Cherry switches you can just swap the top halves/springs/sliders in without issue (except a bit of wobbling, in that case switch stickers would help a bit)
Post by: iLLucionist on Sun, 31 January 2016, 14:12:15
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 31 January 2016, 14:20:53
What's smoother zealio's or gateron?
They are both equally smooth. However you won't be finding any purple (MX Clear stem-like) Gaterons due to our contract agreement.
Post by: iLLucionist on Sun, 31 January 2016, 14:22:52
What's smoother zealio's or gateron?
They are both equally smooth. However you won't be finding any purple (MX Clear stem-like) Gaterons due to our contract agreement.
Those Zealio's really look super nice. Perhaps time to learn soldering and start a little project of my own in the summer and try them out.
Post by: silaz on Sun, 18 September 2016, 20:56:13
Post by: derezzed on Sat, 22 October 2016, 22:59:39
Post by: Omnipotent on Sat, 22 October 2016, 23:27:41
Those Zealio's really look super nice. Perhaps time to learn soldering and start a little project of my own in the summer and try them out.
I always see Zealio switches on custom high-end boards but I've yet to jump down the rabbit hole of making my own board. Maybe I'll have to make the jump because of all the positive things I keep hearing.
I've been thinking the same thing, haha. My next board purchase is for sure going to be one with Zealios. I can imagine it being fun to build them once you know what you're doing. ;D
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 22 October 2016, 23:51:00
Zeal, I'm totally satisfied with my round 1 65g tactile Zealios. I have a batch of round 2 62g tactile Zealios that I haven't used yet and I've ordered a batch of round 4 62g Zealios, as well. Considering that 1 set of these switches will be going into a hand-wired keyboard, do you think the difference between the round 2 switches and round 4 switches is significant enough to wait for the round 4 switches (and save the round 2 switches for a keyboard with a PCB)?
All up to you and how patient you are. :)
Post by: B3H3M0T on Sun, 23 October 2016, 18:25:22
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 24 October 2016, 02:05:10
will bottom side switch will updated to support smd led?
There are no plans on making a cutout for the Zealio switches. Not all PCBs have the LED sitting ontop. The Zeal60 for example has the SMD LED flush against the PCB, allowing Zealios to work on it without issue.
Post by: Heliobb on Thu, 05 January 2017, 05:28:40
I saw Ripster's photo serie (http://imgur.com/a/lhLqo) but I'm living in France and most of products don't exist here...
For the moment I have this : http://fr.rs-online.com/web/p/graisses/0520181/
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 05 January 2017, 23:36:53
I have Zealios 78g tactile on my ergodox but few switches make some noise. Do you have any advices for lubbing?
I saw Ripster's photo serie (http://imgur.com/a/lhLqo) but I'm living in France and most of products don't exist here...
For the moment I have this : http://fr.rs-online.com/web/p/graisses/0520181/
I believe you also sent me an email, but I'll reply here as well.
I'd personally recommend picking up some the GH V4 thick lube on my site. It's a custom blend of Krytox specifically made for tactile switches/springs/stabilizers. If you're looking for something local, try finding a thick lube containing ptfe at the very least.
Post by: Heliobb on Sat, 14 January 2017, 11:17:35
Post by: mk-lovers on Sun, 22 January 2017, 08:10:18
Post by: lunr on Thu, 26 January 2017, 13:53:34
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 26 January 2017, 14:09:42
r5 soon? there were some 67g in stock yesterday when i checked, now it's all gone :(
Yeah, R5 will launch end of the month/early Feb. Stay tuned.