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Site Announcements and Feedback => Announcements/Feedback/Suggestions => Topic started by: sth on Thu, 19 July 2012, 17:36:48
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lotta new members spamming to increase their postcount. can we implement a time limit for new members (under 20 posts or something) that stops people from posting a bunch but only doing it to get access to the classifieds and whatnot?
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agreed, implement a 30 seconds delay between posts.
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or longer, like reddit (10 minutes, goes down as you post more and get upvotes).
maybe this could tie in with the 'voting' system discussed on DT.
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10 minutes is a really long time, talk about a bad idea! (http://i.imgur.com/YtDem.png)
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you need to spend more time doing switch mods and arranging your keycaps collection before you're allowed to spam here :)
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A long timeout will only stunt the growth of a community just coming back, you really don't think 60 seconds is enough?
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lotta new members spamming to increase their postcount. can we implement a time limit for new members (under 20 posts or something) that stops people from posting a bunch but only doing it to get access to the classifieds and whatnot?
Maybe it's just me but the Captchas are some kind of time limit when posting ;P I think a clever algorithm would be 100 times better at solving them than me ._.
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As a noob here, I am posting a lot to get to my count as fast as possible. Once I get enough to see the classified board, my posting is going to drop significantly. You, whoever is reading this, may think that what I'm doing is noobish or stupid or whatever, but what I'm doing is the expected behavior of someone who wants to see the classifieds board. If the moderators had made it so that you had full access from the get go, noobs wouldn't spam the board to increase their post count. Conversely, if you didn't have a post count minimum, the board wouldn't grow so fast. A 10 minute window between posts would be way too long, and I think a 60 second window would be just enough to keep people from spamming messages. I posted 10 posts in the last 30 minutes or so. I tried not to create any stupid threads and I tried to leave legitimate comments, but now I'm just typing to listen to my keyboard.
I need more sleep.
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Me2
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Yes, lets discourage new people from posting, they will hopefully go away... /sarcasm
I honestly could give a flip about post count. Perhaps there is some reason behind you wanting to implement artificial barriers to keep new users from increasing their post count...
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so if someone new to the forum can read the classifieds does that mean they will be able to post in classifieds and sell as well? that's a little scary
we saw some people pop in for a few posts to get the lingo down, make a splash- fictitiously start a group buy, try to sell something, collect bux and see yaaaaaaaaa......... i feel bad for anybody that happened to, but more so for the younger guys who don't have that much money, save and save to get something then purposely get jacked.
didn't we learn from this last time? i would be more for protecting, looking out for the majority then giving in for someones only purpose of being here is maybe just raiding the classifieds- sorry guys. there is a judas in every bunch
i realize i have not been here that long myself, but have been here long enough to see that some of the concerns that have been brought up are warranted. we're looking out for the whole......not just a small part.
there is no drive-thru window here.
i'm sure there is something that can be done where we can meet in the middle of the road. after all everybody here was/is a noob once ;)
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It's a conspiracy to prevent people from flipping CC's too easily.
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I am also on other forums. One long term member with thousands of posts and many transactions decided to take some people for over $10,000+ in photo gear.
1) post count is not an indicator of trustworthiness.
2) people change with time and based on situations.
3) some people are no beuno, some of them just hide it longer than others.
4) noobs don't stick around when they are treated like second class citizens.
But lastly, I can buy things I need from other places. I'm getting too old to jump through hoops :)
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everything you say is right on!
www is a pretty big wall people can hide behind and post count is definitely not an indicator of character. on the other hand, don't take people's concerns and thinking out loud to make the forum better for all necessarily as bad manners or 2nd class members. i'm still a noob if you want to be technical.
nobody is trying to shy new members away- at least hope not. i've never walked into a room of strangers where i was not known and people automatically accepted me.
hate the word "noobs"
apologize if you feel unwelcomed- don't leave........
am trusting those in charge will figure out
I am also on other forums. One long term member with thousands of posts and many transactions decided to take some people for over $10,000+ in photo gear.
1) post count is not an indicator of trustworthiness.
2) people change with time and based on situations.
3) some people are no beuno, some of them just hide it longer than others.
4) noobs don't stick around when they are treated like second class citizens.
But lastly, I can buy things I need from other places. I'm getting too old to jump through hoops :)
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Just because someone has a low post count doesn't necessarily mean that he/she is new. There are plenty of GH members, long time members at that, who don't regularly post - and had no reason to post either, since as far as I know, there was never a post requirement to view certain sections of the boards.
Personally, I think spam is annoying, regardless of how "new" the poster is.
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Just add 3 months (or any other time window) membership as requirement + post count of some number.
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Well as is obviously the case i am a rather new character here on GH. I am also relatively new to the keyboard enthusiast scene. So take this for what you will.
While I can see the point to limiting access to post in the classifieds forum, I am not sure i can see a point to limiting people from reading it. Limiting new guys (like me) to only buying should limit the potential impact of any stealing.
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at the moment, all of this is a stand-in for actual marketplace software. the 10 posts is just a sanity check so that we don't have to deal with a sudden influx of carders and spammers (yes, this has happened before). we aren't trying to keep anyone from participating; quite the contrary actually.
anyway, as you can see from the bug report and feature requests threads, we have a lot of work to do. so we'll be tuning the stopgap measures as we can. in the meantime, just spam away to get your 10 posts. if you're a real person and plan on participating on the forum, we won't mind. in some ways that's what the new member forum is for.
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one post per minute is a great idea.
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at the moment, all of this is a stand-in for actual marketplace software. the 10 posts is just a sanity check so that we don't have to deal with a sudden influx of carders and spammers (yes, this has happened before). we aren't trying to keep anyone from participating; quite the contrary actually.
anyway, as you can see from the bug report and feature requests threads, we have a lot of work to do. so we'll be tuning the stopgap measures as we can. in the meantime, just spam away to get your 10 posts. if you're a real person and plan on participating on the forum, we won't mind. in some ways that's what the new member forum is for.
I love you.
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at the moment, all of this is a stand-in for actual marketplace software. the 10 posts is just a sanity check so that we don't have to deal with a sudden influx of carders and spammers (yes, this has happened before). we aren't trying to keep anyone from participating; quite the contrary actually.
anyway, as you can see from the bug report and feature requests threads, we have a lot of work to do. so we'll be tuning the stopgap measures as we can. in the meantime, just spam away to get your 10 posts. if you're a real person and plan on participating on the forum, we won't mind. in some ways that's what the new member forum is for.
Is this staff approval for spamming our post counts up to the required amount?
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The reason I joined geekhack originally was because of a groupbuy.
I probably wouldn't have bought my first mechanical keyboard if it wasn't for that, I wonder will the lack of visibility of those forums for lurkers reduce the amount of new members and the conversion rate of lurkers to posters.
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Yeah, me too. I don't really feel the necessity for posting *because* I am a noob and I have nothing really valuable to contribute (yet). Maybe except for some group buys participation. I'm also pretty sure most questions I could possibly have, have already been asked (and answered) here, so all I need to gain knowledge is to read n lurk.
Post count is a ****ty measure. Just sayin'
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Just because someone is new to GH doesn't mean they know nothing. GH has been down and many of the "noobs" have been on deskthority learning.
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Hah, y'all are tripping.
Obviously if you have something legit to add, nobody will fault you for a low post count. I'm not talking about that. What I mean is people spamming the new member forum (which by the way is dumb as hell and completely negates the point of having a post count requirement for certain forums ANYWAY). the post count requirements are there to get people talking about keyboards first and to become invested in the community rather than try to flip pieces of plastic for triple digits.
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Hah, y'all are tripping.
Obviously if you have something legit to add, nobody will fault you for a low post count. I'm not talking about that. What I mean is people spamming the new member forum (which by the way is dumb as hell and completely negates the point of having a post count requirement for certain forums ANYWAY). the post count requirements are there to get people talking about keyboards first and to become invested in the community rather than try to flip pieces of plastic for triple digits.
As suggested earlier, wouldn't a post limit to list sales negate the issue of that happening? I'm no expert, but I don't see the issue with newer members simply viewing listings in the classified section.
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Agree.
Hey, no more captchas!
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I am also on other forums. One long term member with thousands of posts and many transactions decided to take some people for over $10,000+ in photo gear.
1) post count is not an indicator of trustworthiness.
2) people change with time and based on situations.
3) some people are no beuno, some of them just hide it longer than others.
4) noobs don't stick around when they are treated like second class citizens.
But lastly, I can buy things I need from other places. I'm getting too old to jump through hoops :)
+1
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I agree that enforcing a limit before you can post a sale is better then a blanket block. Since as buyers would need to send the money to the seller before receiving their goods. By restricting purchasers access to a marketplace/buy threads it limits thenumber of buyers. Thus making it harder to reach the minimum amount of purchases needed.
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i think a blanket block is best, even for ppl who want to view items... why? well what forum member would even want to sell to a "nub" (op's word not mine) who has 1 post?, no the seller will go "look man you got one post, you just registered, you have like nothing, i can't sell to you" NEXT BIDDER! so put some posts, heck go respond to new ppl in the new posting forum "hi i'm new too nice to meet you fellow nub!" bam 1 post done.
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Forgive my inexperience, but I am pretty new to geekhack. I was here shortly before it went down and am now starting to come back now and then. I'm much more active on reddit and only found out about GH because of a post from ragnarok. I was able to get in on the group buy for the 2nd Red Alert set. I'm pretty stoked to get the keycaps.
Is there a rule change about classifieds or group buys? If so, I'm wondering what problem you guys are trying to solve. I'm pretty new and I would've missed out on the Red Alert buy if there had been a restriction. I'm glad I was trusted enough to be new and be a part of a cool group buy. You may want to consider my experience in light of setting new policies. Just my two cents. I wanted to offer the perspective of a GH noob. :)
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Hello fellow Redditor!
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I can't not view member profiles either. the permissions are way to restrictive.
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As somebody who just registered here, but has done a decent amount of research on keyboard in the past(and am probably ordering my first mech sometime this week), I can understand why you do not want to allow new users to the classifieds, particularly for selling or performing group buys, but as somebody who has been on SRK, they have a decent system in place to prevent abuse in the buying and selling areas and it works pretty well.
If you want to buy something, you may purchase it, regardless of user status, how long you have been with the site or how much you have posted. If you want to sell something you have to have 50 posts and have been active on the site for at least six months, so you've been able to build yourself a reputation before you may sell. Most scammers would never spend six months on a forum for that. Here on geekhack, where I know you do a lot of group buys, you could even take a step further, possibly requiring at least one previous transaction, or requiring to be a more well-established user(approved by a mod?) before you could organize one.
I think that would prevent a large amount of abuse, and still enable users to purchase boards from other members without having to spam for access. I know a few people that bought their first board here and pointed me here for some information when I first wanted to look into getting my own.
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I am usually just a lurker, and don't post much, and so I am mostly here to read the "experts" suggestions, advice and so on. So the restreiction of needing 10 post seems stupid to me. Before I can post anything relevant I need the gear for it, and groupbuys/the marketplace is one of the best ways to get it. the idea of restricting new users even further seems unfair to me. If new users is spamming, well that should be a job for the moderators, right?
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I am usually just a lurker, and don't post much, and so I am mostly here to read the "experts" suggestions, advice and so on. So the restreiction of needing 10 post seems stupid to me. Before I can post anything relevant I need the gear for it, and groupbuys/the marketplace is one of the best ways to get it. the idea of restricting new users even further seems unfair to me.
If you don't contribute to the community somehow then you shouldn't expect to get much back from the community. I am not saying everybody needs to be out there writing custom protocol convertors or making custom keycaps (but wouldnt that be cool?), just contributing to discussions and offering your insights and opinions on community matters is plenty.
If new users is spamming, well that should be a job for the moderators, right?
Wrong. New users should stop spamming and start talking about keyboards.
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I am usually just a lurker, and don't post much, and so I am mostly here to read the "experts" suggestions, advice and so on. So the restreiction of needing 10 post seems stupid to me. Before I can post anything relevant I need the gear for it, and groupbuys/the marketplace is one of the best ways to get it. the idea of restricting new users even further seems unfair to me.
If you don't contribute to the community somehow then you shouldn't expect to get much back from the community. I am not saying everybody needs to be out there writing custom protocol convertors or making custom keycaps (but wouldnt that be cool?), just contributing to discussions and offering your insights and opinions on community matters is plenty.
I would be willing to argue that buying an item from a community member is contributing to the community. If somebody wants to unload something and you take it off their hands, you have done them a favor. Many people will not know how to add to a discussion as a new member of the forums because they won't know a whole lot about keyboards in the first place. You have to learn, and the best way is by experience. Right now, there isn't a whole lot most newer or inactive members can contribute to the site because they might not always know a whole lot, or they might not have anything to say. It doesn't invalidate their presence either.
Many have gotten started with keyboards purchased from other geekhack members. People on OCN always point you here if you are looking for a keyboard, and that's reasonable. This is how you get involved and once you've felt the difference you can understand why a keyboard is such a big deal. You cannot become a member of a community because you want to, the other members have to let you into it, and right now we aren't allowing newcomers to easily get involved. If I didn't get my first arcade stick for cheap, I probably wouldn't have continued to play SHMUPS or fighting games because playing with a normal controller just doesn't feel the same.