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Title: 黑金 (Zephyr)
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 01 April 2017, 20:36:50
(https://i.imgur.com/0GWeNTH.jpg)

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Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: nickheller on Sat, 01 April 2017, 20:38:50
that pcb looks sick  ^-^ ^-^
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 01 April 2017, 20:56:30
 ^-^ ^-^ ^-^
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: Moistgun on Sat, 01 April 2017, 20:57:37
bling bling
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: dubious on Sat, 01 April 2017, 20:57:52
(https://media.giphy.com/media/WibKqzViSyZdm/giphy.gif)

splo :eek: osh
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: johnthedong on Sat, 01 April 2017, 21:37:32
If that fits the m65-a.... :eek: :eek: :eek: *looks into piggy bank*
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: audax989 on Sat, 01 April 2017, 21:56:36
If that fits the m65-a.... :eek: :eek: :eek: *looks into piggy bank*

I'm guessing with the usb placement it might not work with the m65 without modificationp
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: johnthedong on Sat, 01 April 2017, 21:58:18
If that fits the m65-a.... :eek: :eek: :eek: *looks into piggy bank*

I'm guessing with the usb placement it might not work with the m65 without modificationp

Ah welp it's at the center - just realized that :(
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: sherryton on Sat, 01 April 2017, 22:10:42
I think that's the best looking PCB ever.
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: romevi on Sat, 01 April 2017, 22:11:31
Nice.
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Post by: ika on Sat, 01 April 2017, 22:30:45
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: cicada on Sat, 01 April 2017, 22:32:35
Nice.

Nice.
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 02 April 2017, 00:44:21

💯💯
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: ygor on Sun, 02 April 2017, 00:45:46
bone cone
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: BlackInk on Sun, 02 April 2017, 01:10:51
really nice pcb, any chance making pcb for tlk board?
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: Malenky on Sun, 02 April 2017, 02:18:09
Pretty!
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: BlackInk on Sun, 02 April 2017, 02:37:01
really nice pcb, any chance making pcb for tkl board?
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 02 April 2017, 03:23:55
really nice pcb, any chance making pcb for tkl board?

There will be a TKL RGB board in the future, but it's unlikely it'll be compatible with pre-existing TKLs.
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: soilheart on Sun, 02 April 2017, 03:29:19
Fixed 1.5+1.5+7+1.5+1.5 bottom row? =(

Looks awesome other than than that =P

I'm quite curious what cases it will fit into/how the accompanying case will look like.
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: pomk on Sun, 02 April 2017, 04:02:16
So black soldermask and exclude traces from it completely?  :confused: Looks sick, though I guess it's easier for beginners to mess it up unless there is a secondary clear soldermask layer present.
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: atomicus on Sun, 02 April 2017, 06:11:52
Is the one where the case doesn't support ISO? The PCB does but the case doesn't? That being the situation, would a custom case need to be designed for an ISO board using this PCB?
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: Theconejo on Sun, 02 April 2017, 10:11:54
Fixed 1.5+1.5+7+1.5+1.5 bottom row? =(

Thanks for pointing that out I was to busy getting things in order to be ready to make the purchase.

Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 02 April 2017, 12:56:11
So black soldermask and exclude traces from it completely?  :confused: Looks sick, though I guess it's easier for beginners to mess it up unless there is a secondary clear soldermask layer present.
That would be irresponsible of us to do so. No, the traces are covered but your second guess isn't quite right.

Is the one where the case doesn't support ISO? The PCB does but the case doesn't? That being the situation, would a custom case need to be designed for an ISO board using this PCB?
The upcoming case will be WKL ANSI only, with support for hhkb layout. PCB supports ISO and we may sell a "regular" purple version with multi layout support with left or centered USB option.

Fixed 1.5+1.5+7+1.5+1.5 bottom row? =(

Aesthetics choice due to case design.
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: grayish on Sun, 02 April 2017, 17:03:32
This could actually be compatible with the EXENT  :eek:
I've died and gone to heaven!
Wallet have mercy on my soul...
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 02 April 2017, 17:06:04
So you people just don't use Windows or what?  I don't see how i could get through the day without using the win key.   Do you just remap it?
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: Theconejo on Sun, 02 April 2017, 17:17:48
I hate the win key, but really don't like winkeyless boards. Also I play a lot of games and a pinky control key crucial.


Basically I'm not as hyped.
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: Gamecat on Sun, 02 April 2017, 18:13:11
Is it hard gold plated?
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: dubious on Sun, 02 April 2017, 22:58:32
So you people just don't use Windows or what?  I don't see how i could get through the day without using the win key.   Do you just remap it?

Ctrl + Esc = winkey
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 02 April 2017, 23:47:52
So you people just don't use Windows or what?  I don't see how i could get through the day without using the win key.   Do you just remap it?

Ctrl + Esc = winkey

I guess that wouldn't be too bad on a 65% since you have arrow keys, but it's still awkward.  I want to move my window to the left half of my screen.  Ctrl + Escape + arrow left.  I want to open a file on my computer... Ctrl + Esc + E... ew... two hands now.  The win key has so many handy shortcuts.  Open any app on your taskbar... win + position, so first app is win + 1, second is win + 2.  Super handy stuff.
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: Dominathan on Mon, 03 April 2017, 01:39:25
Hell ****ing yes please!
Just send the invoice now
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: pomk on Mon, 03 April 2017, 05:34:25
So black soldermask and exclude traces from it completely?  :confused: Looks sick, though I guess it's easier for beginners to mess it up unless there is a secondary clear soldermask layer present.
That would be irresponsible of us to do so. No, the traces area covered but your second guess isn't quite right.
I had a better look at the drills and I think I know what is going on here. Didn't know there were manufacturers doing this sort of things.  :-X
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 03 April 2017, 11:48:21
So black soldermask and exclude traces from it completely?  :confused: Looks sick, though I guess it's easier for beginners to mess it up unless there is a secondary clear soldermask layer present.
That would be irresponsible of us to do so. No, the traces area covered but your second guess isn't quite right.
I had a better look at the drills and I think I know what is going on here. Didn't know there were manufacturers doing this sort of things.  :-X

There aren't...this was fully custom down to the material.
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: BlackInk on Mon, 03 April 2017, 14:46:22
Hey zeal which case does this pcb fits if the usb port is in the middle
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: TheNamesTy45 on Mon, 03 April 2017, 16:12:02
I have no desire for a 65% board, but just have to say that this thing is GORGEOUS.
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: xondat on Mon, 03 April 2017, 16:13:22
Hey zeal which case does this board fits if the usb port is in the middle

His upcoming case, and other 65% cases with centered USB ports (currently none).
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: Sissy on Mon, 03 April 2017, 23:09:21
Hey zeal which case does this board fits if the usb port is in the middle

His upcoming case, and other 65% cases with centered USB ports (currently none).
oh oh oh, Zeal 65% case?
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: Theconejo on Mon, 03 April 2017, 23:24:23
Hey zeal which case does this board fits if the usb port is in the middle

His upcoming case, and other 65% cases with centered USB ports (currently none).
oh oh oh, Zeal 65% case?

This?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BPi8yj1gqhU/?hl=en
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: BlackInk on Mon, 03 April 2017, 23:49:26
Zeal should make a rgb pcb like this with usb ports in the middle for 60% case like duck eagle/viper
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: MandrewDavis on Mon, 03 April 2017, 23:58:07
So you people just don't use Windows or what?  I don't see how i could get through the day without using the win key.   Do you just remap it?
Put capslock under the fn layer, move ctrl or windows key to where capslock is. Remap bottom row appropriately.
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 04 April 2017, 07:22:41
So you people just don't use Windows or what?  I don't see how i could get through the day without using the win key.   Do you just remap it?
Put capslock under the fn layer, move ctrl or windows key to where capslock is. Remap bottom row appropriately.

I heavily rely on caps lock as my function key :(

Maybe I could make tab into a tap for tab and hold for Windows though
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: KINGPIN on Fri, 16 June 2017, 08:33:14
Noooooo:c why it don't support m65a;_>;
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: amnesia0287 on Wed, 05 July 2017, 00:21:29
So will there definitively not be a win key? Or is that specific to this black gold version? Because I'm super looking forward to a nice rgb 65, but that would totally ruin this one for me.

I'm sure it would look great, but I also wanna be productive on my keyboard and there are way too many winkey keyboard shortcuts that I use all the time like win+r / win+e / win+s / win+m.

Unrelated: wonder if this would fit in exent.
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 05 July 2017, 13:30:06
So will there definitively not be a win key? Or is that specific to this black gold version? Because I'm super looking forward to a nice rgb 65, but that would totally ruin this one for me.

I'm sure it would look great, but I also wanna be productive on my keyboard and there are way too many winkey keyboard shortcuts that I use all the time like win+r / win+e / win+s / win+m.

Unrelated: wonder if this would fit in exent.

Black gold version Zeal65 PCB won't have a winkey for aesthetic reasons.
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: Auk on Wed, 05 July 2017, 14:07:32
So you people just don't use Windows or what?  I don't see how i could get through the day without using the win key.   Do you just remap it?

The only time I've ever used that key on any OS is to get into process monitor and force a frozen or sluggish app to exit. I would happily not have winkeys, winkeyless cases with blockers usually look prettier.
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: Auk on Wed, 05 July 2017, 14:14:36
The upcoming case...

Was there a tease for this somewhere? and more importantly: can you reveal if this will be fixed profile? I'm looking for a wkl design that can be used at 0°, maybe even negative angle for more wrist comfort.

Also, re the PCB - could it be supplied with factory fitted Gold Holtites?
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: Dominathan on Wed, 05 July 2017, 15:05:22
So you people just don't use Windows or what?  I don't see how i could get through the day without using the win key.   Do you just remap it?

The only time I've ever used that key on any OS is to get into process monitor and force a frozen or sluggish app to exit. I would happily not have winkeys, winkeyless cases with blockers usually look prettier.

It's required for OSX.  You can't work without a command key.  Maybe you could live without alt, but you'd be losing most secondary menus and text traversal.
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 05 July 2017, 16:10:42
The upcoming case...

Was there a tease for this somewhere? and more importantly: can you reveal if this will be fixed profile? I'm looking for a wkl design that can be used at 0°, maybe even negative angle for more wrist comfort.

Also, re the PCB - could it be supplied with factory fitted Gold Holtites?

Case is undergoing revision after evaluating the prototype. Pictures weren't shown since there'll be quite a few changes. Angle will most likely be fixed around 8° or so. Holtites will still have to be inserted by the user as they're not meant for mass production fitting.
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: amnesia0287 on Fri, 07 July 2017, 18:55:48
So you people just don't use Windows or what?  I don't see how i could get through the day without using the win key.   Do you just remap it?

The only time I've ever used that key on any OS is to get into process monitor and force a frozen or sluggish app to exit. I would happily not have winkeys, winkeyless cases with blockers usually look prettier.

Do you use a computer as a primary productivity device in your job?

I am a C# software engineer. I am in windows all day. Win + E is explorer, Win + R is run, Win + S is search, Win+M minimizes all the windows, Win+L locks the machine, Win + D quickly toggles all between windows and the desktop. Not to mention in Windows 10, the search functionality is actually useful. For example to launch vs I usually do Win then "vis" and enter and I'm done.

I can absolutely get by without winkeys, but it would make me 2-3x slower and that seems counter to my reasons for upgrading to a compact keyboard.

Don't get me wrong, I completely agree for some keyboards it can LOOK better, but I could never justify a keyboard that would hurt my productivity so much, no matter how good I think it may look.

That's why I'm holding out hope that there will be a non-wkl version, ideally in zeal purple  :thumb:. Then I'll buy like 5 (really probably more since I'd build some for my friends/family too), but a 65 with rgb would be endgame for me. I just miss arrows.
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: Skuloth on Mon, 10 July 2017, 14:48:02
So you people just don't use Windows or what?  I don't see how i could get through the day without using the win key.   Do you just remap it?

The only time I've ever used that key on any OS is to get into process monitor and force a frozen or sluggish app to exit. I would happily not have winkeys, winkeyless cases with blockers usually look prettier.

Do you use a computer as a primary productivity device in your job?

I am a C# software engineer. I am in windows all day. Win + E is explorer, Win + R is run, Win + S is search, Win+M minimizes all the windows, Win+L locks the machine, Win + D quickly toggles all between windows and the desktop. Not to mention in Windows 10, the search functionality is actually useful. For example to launch vs I usually do Win then "vis" and enter and I'm done.

I can absolutely get by without winkeys, but it would make me 2-3x slower and that seems counter to my reasons for upgrading to a compact keyboard.

Don't get me wrong, I completely agree for some keyboards it can LOOK better, but I could never justify a keyboard that would hurt my productivity so much, no matter how good I think it may look.

That's why I'm holding out hope that there will be a non-wkl version, ideally in zeal purple  :thumb:. Then I'll buy like 5 (really probably more since I'd build some for my friends/family too), but a 65 with rgb would be endgame for me. I just miss arrows.

I use win + e and win + name of program every day. I agree with you friend
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: clappingcactus on Thu, 10 August 2017, 18:03:11
What's the latest news on the Zeal65?
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 10 August 2017, 21:18:14
What's the latest news on the Zeal65?

Case design has been updated, next step is to work out a new prototype.
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: Corgi Butts on Thu, 10 August 2017, 23:19:43
What's the latest news on the Zeal65?

Case design has been updated, next step is to work out a new prototype.

Good.  Allows more time to save up for it.   ;D. Can't wait to see it!  You should be very proud of all the work you've put into it, I'm sure it's gonna be a triumph.  Make a note here: huge success.
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: KINGPIN on Fri, 18 August 2017, 11:56:50
can we have a special edition that fits m65a?
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: HotRoderX on Tue, 28 November 2017, 03:51:17
This still slated to be a thing guessing sometime 2018?
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 29 November 2017, 23:45:20
This still slated to be a thing guessing sometime 2018?

GB is planned to launch before the end of the year. There has been a few delays with finalizing the case design to our satisfaction, but it will be worth it.
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: amnesia0287 on Thu, 30 November 2017, 19:29:28
This still slated to be a thing guessing sometime 2018?

GB is planned to launch before the end of the year. There has been a few delays with finalizing the case design to our satisfaction, but it will be worth it.

Will we also be able to buy bare PCBs? Or only as a kit?
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 01 December 2017, 05:42:34
This still slated to be a thing guessing sometime 2018?

GB is planned to launch before the end of the year. There has been a few delays with finalizing the case design to our satisfaction, but it will be worth it.

Will we also be able to buy bare PCBs? Or only as a kit?

It will only be as a kit as 65% keyboards don't have a standardized PCB.
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: amnesia0287 on Fri, 08 December 2017, 08:24:35
This still slated to be a thing guessing sometime 2018?

GB is planned to launch before the end of the year. There has been a few delays with finalizing the case design to our satisfaction, but it will be worth it.

Will we also be able to buy bare PCBs? Or only as a kit?

It will only be as a kit as 65% keyboards don't have a standardized PCB.

Would it not fit in any top mount 65% case with a center usb? Like the sexy new TX65?
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 09 December 2017, 16:53:38
This still slated to be a thing guessing sometime 2018?

GB is planned to launch before the end of the year. There has been a few delays with finalizing the case design to our satisfaction, but it will be worth it.

Will we also be able to buy bare PCBs? Or only as a kit?

It will only be as a kit as 65% keyboards don't have a standardized PCB.

Would it not fit in any top mount 65% case with a center usb? Like the sexy new TX65?

Possibly, we'll evaluate our options. But the current plan is to offer the kit first.
Title: Re: 黑金 (Zephyr)
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 30 January 2018, 18:46:43
Updated with pics of the newly redesigned case. 5mm, brass, PVD. RGB PCB will be changed to USB C.
Title: Re: 黑金 (Zephyr)
Post by: ihalatch on Tue, 30 January 2018, 19:02:29
Love it. Great design.
Title: Re: 黑金 (Zephyr)
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 30 January 2018, 20:00:07
Updated with pics of the newly redesigned case. 5mm, brass, PVD. RGB PCB will be changed to USB C.

Love the simplicity.  Nice design, sir.  Going to need to pick up a Yuri set if that blue comes to fruition.
Title: Re: 黑金 (Zephyr)
Post by: Visionaire on Tue, 30 January 2018, 20:42:29
Updated with pics of the newly redesigned case. 5mm, brass, PVD. RGB PCB will be changed to USB C.

That's quite a plate! How does it sound?
Title: Re: 黑金 (Zephyr)
Post by: Dominathan on Wed, 31 January 2018, 03:08:02
Endgame
Title: Re: 黑金 (Zephyr)
Post by: heyitsqi on Wed, 31 January 2018, 14:35:31
So what's the total weight for this bad boy?
Title: Re: 黑金 (Zephyr)
Post by: HotRoderX on Wed, 31 January 2018, 15:01:30
scared to ask but how much are we looking at for the kit! My guess is 300-400 bucks most likely? Zeal you do amazing work and the quality is worth the price but its never cheap :P
Title: Re: 黑金 (Zephyr)
Post by: xondat on Wed, 31 January 2018, 15:04:43
scared to ask but how much are we looking at for the kit! My guess is 300-400 bucks most likely? Zeal you do amazing work and the quality is worth the price but its never cheap :P

Previously $550 has been mentioned :))
Title: Re: 黑金 (Zephyr)
Post by: dubious on Wed, 31 January 2018, 16:34:27
This pcb needs a polycarb case! too nice looking
Title: Re: 黑金 (Zephyr)
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 01 February 2018, 21:03:29
Updated with some real pictures. :)
Title: Re: 黑金 (Zephyr)
Post by: Perfex on Thu, 01 February 2018, 23:27:31
Gorgeous board!
Title: Re: 黑金 (Zephyr)
Post by: Marutks on Tue, 06 February 2018, 06:47:59
Very limited layout options for 550$. It supports only 1.5u mod keys   :(
5mm plate?  Why does it have to be so thick?   And why RGB LEDs?  they are just expensive gimmick
Title: Re: 黑金 (Zephyr)
Post by: amnesia0287 on Tue, 06 February 2018, 22:23:45
Very limited layout options for 550$. It supports only 1.5u mod keys   :(
5mm plate?  Why does it have to be so thick?   And why RGB LEDs?  they are just expensive gimmick

I don't disagree that $550 is a lot, but fixed layouts are way nicer as long as its a layout you use and 1.5u mod keys are the only mod keys that matter anyway. Almost any DECENT keyset supports them.

5mm cause why not something different? There are plenty of options for 1.5mm plates. The "why does it have to be so thick" is that it's as thick as it can be and still fit. It's not an accident, its intentional. If you don't like it that's fine, but your argument seems to be "make it cheaper and more generic" which to me is asking for a totally different product.

TBH, to me it just sounds like you just are not the target audience for the Zephyr.

If you just want a normal universal layout 65%, just get a TX65.
Title: Re: 黑金 (Zephyr)
Post by: hervuli on Wed, 07 February 2018, 09:45:51
So what's the total weight for this bad boy?

Echoing this question. That 5mm brass plate alone has to weigh a ton. What does the case + plate + weight weigh?
Title: Re: 黑金
Post by: phorx on Wed, 07 February 2018, 10:00:47
really nice pcb, any chance making pcb for tkl board?

There will be a TKL RGB board in the future, but it's unlikely it'll be compatible with pre-existing TKLs.

TKL would be awesome, but I'd prefer 75% or better yet "75% +1" like this amazing custom that a geekhacker made himself https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75880.0
Title: Re: 黑金 (Zephyr)
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 07 February 2018, 12:32:58
dat bottom sure has a lot of screws
Title: Re: 黑金 (Zephyr)
Post by: KHAANNN on Wed, 07 February 2018, 16:47:09
Don't know why but I'm probably going to join
Title: Re: 黑金 (Zephyr)
Post by: Visionaire on Wed, 07 February 2018, 16:50:56
Don't know why but I'm probably going to join

The power of Zeal compels you.
Title: Re: 黑金 (Zephyr)
Post by: KHAANNN on Wed, 07 February 2018, 16:52:52
Worst case scenario it's a timeless display piece, 50,000 years from now, when they dig the keyboard up, they'll respect my swag
Title: Re: 黑金 (Zephyr)
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 08 February 2018, 01:19:51
Don't know why but I'm probably going to join

 :)

So what's the total weight for this bad boy?

Echoing this question. That 5mm brass plate alone has to weigh a ton. What does the case + plate + weight weigh?

2kg on the dot, before PCB. Just the case + plate + nameplate + screws. Plate alone weighs around 700g.

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Zephyr is now live: https://zealpc.net/products/zephyr

Will be making a GB post on GH as well.
Title: Re: 黑金 (Zephyr)
Post by: Starston3 on Wed, 28 February 2018, 10:43:37
Don't know why but I'm probably going to join

The power of Zeal compels you.

You jest but...

I joined like on the third day of the GB after swearing off that I wasn't.