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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #150 on: Thu, 31 October 2013, 11:16:05 »
What size are these?

6.25 Universals -- they fit my Ducky perfectly.


What size are these?

6.25 Universals -- they fit my Ducky perfectly.

I've sent out a batch of these guys to Boiler, and we'll see if we can sell them or not. I'm thinking of calling them....

PLuSHcaps and PLuSHbars.

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(Krog stops idly spinning his brandy snifter, and let's his monocle drop.)

... I like it! This entitles you to a color customized spacebar (right is transferable).

^^ Is that still good?? I'll take one :P

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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #151 on: Thu, 31 October 2013, 11:34:34 »
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(Krog stops idly spinning his brandy snifter, and let's his monocle drop.)
... I like it! This entitles you to a color customized spacebar (right is transferable).
^^ Is that still good?? I'll take one :P

You got it. I'll put this one in the mail.  :thumb:
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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #152 on: Thu, 31 October 2013, 11:46:32 »
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sMoOtH Operators
(Krog stops idly spinning his brandy snifter, and let's his monocle drop.)
... I like it! This entitles you to a color customized spacebar (right is transferable).
^^ Is that still good?? I'll take one :p

You got it. I'll put this one in the mail.  :thumb:


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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #153 on: Thu, 31 October 2013, 13:40:09 »
Shipped it. I also tossed in a sage flocked Esc key.
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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #154 on: Thu, 31 October 2013, 13:41:47 »
Shipped it. I also tossed in a sage flocked Esc key.


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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #155 on: Sun, 03 November 2013, 21:13:50 »
Krog if these are yours, congratulations are in order!

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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #156 on: Sun, 03 November 2013, 21:15:00 »
They are and CONGRATS!

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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #157 on: Sun, 03 November 2013, 21:20:39 »
Just saw that e-mail and immediately thought of Krog!  Congratulations  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #158 on: Sun, 03 November 2013, 21:49:48 »
Just ordered a red flock  ;D Are there going to be any green flocked mx cherry, would go well with my green ducky :D

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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #159 on: Sun, 03 November 2013, 21:57:56 »
Krog if these are yours, congratulations are in order!

Why does that say "These skull keys are individually crafted ..."?
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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #160 on: Sun, 03 November 2013, 22:40:56 »
Copy / Paste Error :)

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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #161 on: Sun, 03 November 2013, 22:50:30 »
This is freaking awesome. These would look great on my Model F.
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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #162 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 04:07:20 »
Just saw that e-mail and immediately thought of Krog!  Congratulations  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

Email! What I signed up for the mailing list but didn't see this.

Guess I need to check again.

Congrats krog!

PS: what happened to calling them smooth operators haha!

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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #163 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 06:48:54 »
Krog if these are yours, congratulations are in order!

They are and CONGRATS!

Just saw that e-mail and immediately thought of Krog!  Congratulations  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

This is freaking awesome. These would look great on my Model F.

Just saw that e-mail and immediately thought of Krog!  Congratulations  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

Email! What I signed up for the mailing list but didn't see this.

Guess I need to check again.

Congrats krog!

PS: what happened to calling them smooth operators haha!

Thanks everyone for the support! I just hope people buy them and love them. I think my favorites so far are the BS spacebars. They came out really great. I'm very curious to see if people enjoy them, so please, if you buy one, let me know what you think. As for calling them "SmoothOperator" keycaps, I didn't brand these at all for Boiler -- I just sent him what I had, so thanks Boiler for doing so much of that legwork. The photographs look great!

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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #164 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 08:06:13 »
Also, a photo showing the Mint and Minty-Black BS spacebars (on sale now at techkeys) -- the Minty-Black was my favorite of the bunch.

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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #165 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 08:11:21 »
Also, a photo showing the Mint and Minty-Black BS spacebars (on sale now at techkeys) -- the Minty-Black was my favorite of the bunch.

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Patiently waiting for my orange :))

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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #166 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 08:28:33 »
These look great.  I want to rub my face and other body parts in them.

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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #167 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 08:32:19 »
These look great.  I want to rub my face and other body parts in them.


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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #168 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 08:37:36 »
These look great.  I want to rub my face and other body parts in them.

These may come off with excessive friction, yknow :))

You dont want to flock your other body parts  :p

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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #169 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 08:40:02 »
Also, a photo showing the Mint and Minty-Black BS spacebars (on sale now at techkeys) -- the Minty-Black was my favorite of the bunch.

(Attachment Link)

Patiently waiting for my orange :))

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Orange will be on the menu eventually. Along with blue.
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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #170 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 13:21:23 »
These are AMAZING.  Now we just need flocked caps for BS.
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« Reply #171 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 13:23:23 »
Love that these hit techkeys :D  Grats friend!
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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #172 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 13:30:46 »
These are AMAZING.  Now we just need flocked caps for BS.

These are AMAZING.  Now we just need flocked caps for BS.

http://techkeys.us/collections/artisan/products/flocked-keycaps

Most of them are :p

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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #173 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 13:47:42 »
These are AMAZING.  Now we just need flocked caps for BS.

These are AMAZING.  Now we just need flocked caps for BS.

http://techkeys.us/collections/artisan/products/flocked-keycaps

Most of them are :p

Yeah, the majority are BS. (Wait, that came out wrong.)

Ray, your spacebar and singleton should arrive today. Feedback, please!
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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #174 on: Mon, 04 November 2013, 13:56:04 »
These are AMAZING.  Now we just need flocked caps for BS.

These are AMAZING.  Now we just need flocked caps for BS.

http://techkeys.us/collections/artisan/products/flocked-keycaps

Most of them are :p

Yeah, the majority are BS. (Wait, that came out wrong.)

Ray, your spacebar and singleton should arrive today. Feedback, please!

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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #175 on: Tue, 05 November 2013, 08:00:32 »
  I'm really liking having a flocked spacebar!!

I think I'd use an entire keyboard full of flocked keys actually :eek:

But I do think the stabilizers on this ducky are little off kilter because not all spacebars that should fit do fit. This one barely did!

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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #176 on: Tue, 05 November 2013, 08:40:15 »
  I'm really liking having a flocked spacebar!!

I think I'd use an entire keyboard full of flocked keys actually :eek:

But I do think the stabilizers on this ducky are little off kilter because not all spacebars that should fit do fit. This one barely did!

Glad you're enjoying it!  :thumb: Any issues with the mods to the left or right of the spacebar?
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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #177 on: Tue, 05 November 2013, 08:55:50 »
  I'm really liking having a flocked spacebar!!

I think I'd use an entire keyboard full of flocked keys actually :eek:

But I do think the stabilizers on this ducky are little off kilter because not all spacebars that should fit do fit. This one barely did!

Glad you're enjoying it!  :thumb: Any issues with the mods to the left or right of the spacebar?

No issues it's just right up against the left alt but I don't feel any interference, it is close enough a piece of paper won't fit between them.

I'm thinking purple/maroon whatever that color is flocked case with all black flocked caps, call it the Swag board!!

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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #178 on: Wed, 06 November 2013, 12:29:25 »
This is freaking awesome. These would look great on my Model F.

Well then go buy one, dammit!
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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #179 on: Wed, 06 November 2013, 12:36:28 »
So have I mentioned how much I like this flocked space bar.

I'm really wondering what the deal is because I swear it's even quieter to.

Maybe it's all a placebo.

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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #180 on: Wed, 06 November 2013, 13:09:46 »
So have I mentioned how much I like this flocked space bar.

I'm really wondering what the deal is because I swear it's even quieter to.

Maybe it's all a placebo.

You do touch the flocked spacebar once in a while, don't you? I don't mean actuate it (pressing it down), I mean touch it.
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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #181 on: Wed, 06 November 2013, 13:12:06 »
Up next -- MX spacebars, orange flocking on white.
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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #182 on: Wed, 06 November 2013, 13:12:56 »
So have I mentioned how much I like this flocked space bar.

I'm really wondering what the deal is because I swear it's even quieter to.

Maybe it's all a placebo.

You do touch the flocked spacebar once in a while, don't you? I don't mean actuate it (pressing it down), I mean touch it.
I'm making you uncomfortable, aren't I?  :thumb:

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« Reply #183 on: Wed, 06 November 2013, 20:52:45 »
Up next -- MX spacebars, orange flocking on white.

WHOOOOOOPIE!

But no BS? :(

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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #184 on: Wed, 06 November 2013, 21:05:34 »
Up next -- MX spacebars, orange flocking on white.

WHOOOOOOPIE!

But no BS? :(

Almost everything is for BS right now. All the flocked spacebars on techkeys are buckling spring.
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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #185 on: Tue, 12 November 2013, 09:52:18 »
Hey, Ray, how's that spacebar holding up? My MX is showing some wear on the leading edge. The top is still fluffy, but it seems that on the leading edge there is some loss (or flattening) of the flock. You experiencing anything similar? I will post a photo soon.
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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #186 on: Tue, 12 November 2013, 10:00:12 »
Hey, Ray, how's that spacebar holding up? My MX is showing some wear on the leading edge. The top is still fluffy, but it seems that on the leading edge there is some loss (or flattening) of the flock. You experiencing anything similar? I will post a photo soon.

Some slight wear on the EDGE! ;)

Makes it very obvious where I hit the space bar.

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And the green esc key is still interesting...


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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #187 on: Tue, 12 November 2013, 10:06:47 »
First, thanks for posting those, Ray.

Yup, this is exactly what I am seeing as well on my MX. Top feels good, but where the edge is the fibers get worn away. Also, they catch every bit of lint imaginable. The Esc keep is probably going to hold up -- a straight press should be fine. That ESC key looks like a sea cucumber, doesn't it? LOL! I have some orange flocking fibers in rayon (which is what I've been using so far) and some white nylon fibers (slightly longer length). The nylon fibers are for outdoors, mostly for things like duck decoys and custom fly fishing rod handles. But I think wherever you get a hard edge the flock is going to suffer.

I'm thinking maybe my experiment is at a close.  :)

EDIT: For keycaps, anyway.
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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #188 on: Tue, 12 November 2013, 10:21:54 »
I know it sounds gross, but to me it's cool, I like to think of the green as mold haha :P

The spacebar is very comfy, it's weird and I like it!

Oddly enough I still think it is quieter, perhaps it just the type of space bar or the fit, I dunno.

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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #189 on: Tue, 12 November 2013, 10:23:00 »
I know it sounds gross, but to me it's cool, I like to think of the green as mold haha :P

That green looks like ganja to me...
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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #190 on: Tue, 12 November 2013, 16:05:00 »
I know it sounds gross, but to me it's cool, I like to think of the green as mold haha :P

The spacebar is very comfy, it's weird and I like it!

Oddly enough I still think it is quieter, perhaps it just the type of space bar or the fit, I dunno.

Or moss - a mossy Esc :)
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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #191 on: Tue, 12 November 2013, 16:21:27 »
Actually lets call it 'wasabi'

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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #192 on: Wed, 13 November 2013, 09:04:23 »
Some masking experiments. I used banner vinyl for this, so maybe it wasn't ideal, but I had some spacebars that were useless to me (6 units) and a QFR case that I mutilated, and here are the resulting horrific failures.  :D

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Behold, my mutant keycaps. The QFR case wasn't so horrible, actually.



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« Reply #193 on: Wed, 13 November 2013, 09:12:56 »
Abstract keyboard art...nice. :thumb:

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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #194 on: Wed, 13 November 2013, 12:56:38 »
Meh.

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Flocked some spacebars (one aluminum) and one is a white Universal. Coverage was not great. I'm going to wait for Friday, when the weather will not be so bone-numbingly cold. The metal spacebar actually was flocked twice. The first time I got clumped flock on it (invented some new obscenities in the process) and the whole thing had to be dropped into some solvent to clear it off and try again.
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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #195 on: Wed, 13 November 2013, 12:58:46 »
Meh.

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Flocked some spacebars (one aluminum) and one is a white Universal. Coverage was not great. I'm going to wait for Friday, when the weather will not be so bone-numbingly cold. The metal spacebar actually was flocked twice. The first time I got clumped flock on it (invented some new obscenities in the process) and the whole thing had to be dropped into some solvent to clear it off and try again.

What do you mean meh? That looks awesome!  :thumb:
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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #196 on: Thu, 14 November 2013, 12:19:25 »
What do you mean meh? That looks awesome!  :thumb:

Thanks, but the flock coverage is very uneven compared to my previous spacebars. On the bright side, now that I'm doing this at my workshop, instead of in my garage, it's a lot easier to setup, try new things, and find out what really works. The masking experiments at least proved to me that an ABS spacebar doesn't need any kind of primer. I just roughed up the surface, and the undercoat adhesive holds. So that's one whole step I can now skip, thankfully.

I was able to take the aluminum spacebar and give it a turpentine bath. After a few minutes it shed it's flocking. I washed it, hit it with rubbing alcohol, and then let it dry off completely and flocked it again. Here's the problem: the flocking on the aluminum spacebar was nowhere near as dense as I want it to be.

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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #197 on: Thu, 14 November 2013, 12:33:15 »
So, I cleaned the aluminum one up (like it was never even flocked) put it on a skid and prepared to flock. For the previous flocking run, everything was electrostatically done. I purchased a hobby flocking unit that generates a charge. To "target" the object you want to flock, you have to put a 't'-pin into the base of the object. Since this particular flocker is mostly for making wargaming models and model railroading, it handles mostly flat substrates.

So I stick the t-pin into the cardboard, and this usually does the trick. The first time I tried flocking the aluminum spacebar I pinned the cardboard and it reacted very strangely. The fibers almost seemed to avoid the spacebar. So this time around, I did this instead:

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Ok, so now I'm hoping the entire spacebar will be charged, and we'll get a nice, dense coating.

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The last image in that series is the adhesive-coated spacebar. It should be a nice thick coating and as even as you can make it. You also have to flock as quickly as you can after coating, before it "skims over". The wand that holds the flock has a screen placed over the end, and it's shaken over the targeted object. Overall, it seemed to have worked. The flock had some issues with clumping -- it looked for a few moments like I was making orange cotton candy; strands of fibers locking together. :(
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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #198 on: Thu, 14 November 2013, 12:35:52 »
And some post flocking photos of the aluminum spacebar:

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If you do all this over a plastic bag you can reclaim a lot of the flocking. In order to do it right you have to put down a lot more flocking than you think you
ll need. The excess falls into the bag, which you can then shake until the flock collects in a corner. Then I bunch it up around that corner, and cut off the tip of the bag, and empty it back into the main bag of flock.

It's also important to not jostle the flocked pieces because you could disturb the fibers enough that they'll fall out of the adhesive coating. So the excess removed here is only what will fall off naturally. The rest will remain on the spacebar. I put this guy under a heat lamp for a few hours, and by tomorrow I'll be able to tap off any remaining excess, and I'll see how I did. Crossing my fingers.

EDIT: If this fails to give a good result I may try the air blown flocking method.
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Re: Keycap Flocking Experiment
« Reply #199 on: Mon, 18 November 2013, 08:49:13 »
Here's one of the orange rayon flocked spacebars on my Ducky:

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And this morning I flocked white nylon (slightly longer fibers) to see if there's a better "pile" on them.

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